
(darkblack did it!)
Gosh, summer's on the way. School's almost out and the Libby trial is over. I can't get my learner's permit until next summer and my best friend is going off to band camp for a month.
Sigh. What on earth will I do with all this time I'm going to have on my hands? Maybe I should take up Japanese calligraphy again. Or take a piano class. Oh, hey, what's this from CREW?
CREW WRITES PATRICK FITZGERALD ASKING TO RE-OPEN ROVE CASE IN LIGHT OF MISSING EMAILS
Oh, hurrah!! I love a good summer sequel! I am clapping my tiny forelimbs with delight!
13 Apr 2007 // Washington, DC – Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) asked Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to reopen his investigation of Karl Rove's role in disclosing Valerie Plame Wilson's status as a covert CIA operative in light of recent revelations about missing White House email.
Why, I think that's a capital idea, CREW! How does Monday morning look for you?
Press reports indicate that Mr. Rove uses a Republican National Committee (RNC) email account for 95% of his communications. In addition, the RNC's counsel has admitted that all of Mr. Rove's emails prior to 2005 have been destroyed. Moreover, the White House has admitted that – as CREW reported yesterday – five million emails are missing from the White House servers. All of this raises serious questions about whether Mr. Rove knowingly destroyed evidence relevant to the Special Counsel's inquiry and whether Mr. Fitzgerald received all relevant documents.
It certainly does.
Hmmmm. Does anybody know where there might be a massive team of dedicated Plame-ologists just, you know, hanging out, conducting training maneuvers, and keeping their search engines warm? I wonder…hrrrm. Seems like that would be really hard to come by, a sprawling network of legal minds and laymen with a deep and intimate knowledge of the case and the circumstances surrounding it. Yeah, sheesh. I hope they can even find some people who care about that whole Plame thing. Lord knows everybody around here was too busy to follow it. I heard that whole business was a big partisan to-do. There wasn't an underlying crime at all, right?
You know, there was a moment right after the verdict came back in the Libby trial when I thought, "Well, I guess this is about…it, really, aside from the post-game shows and wrap-up. What will we do now?"
Then came Valerie's testimony to the Congressional Committee and once all that was done I thought, "Well, I guess that's the end of that. Boy, what a terrific story to cover. Whew! I wonder what we'll do next."
Well, strap yourselves in and hang on to something, firedogs. These next few weeks could get very exciting. It might be time for Marcy to start her second volume on this topic. (I'm told that someone has already suggested a title, Anatomy of "Delete".)
And if you'd like something to do on this cold, wet weekend (WTF, man?), grab your rake and join the Document Dump Dive-Team, who are hard at work over in Muckraker land. Chop, chop, kids! Got to represent for the FDL. Aw, yeah.
What's that sound? Off in the distance, do you hear that? It sounds kind of like…frogs marching. They say that means it's going to be a really, really hot summer in Washington.
Boy, it makes me want to call Fitzgerald's office, just so I can hear how they say, "No comment" this time. On which syl-LA-ble will their inscrutable spokesperson Randall "Marcel Marceau" Samborn place the em-PHA-sis?
Or perhaps he will say "No comment" with a rising or falling inflection. "No comment"? "No comment."? "NOOOOO comment"?
Damn Special Prosecutors. They think they're all special and shit.
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Eeeew!
I’d suggest Marcy, but she’s off in the weeds somewhere.
How Shiteous. I was just refreshing!
hello, TRex!
I had to take a break from the docudump. It was like reading the notes of the Heathers in high school when they used you as a go-between because they thought you wouldn’t peek or (worse!) tell the teachers on them because you’d be too scared of them. Sometimes, you read them, and found out how silly and worthless they really were. And then you fried their asses, just for fun.
Man, I better refrain from unleashing myself. Too much rum.
I have no comment…
Renee in Ohio @
1
Aw, c’mon. It’s not as bad as Ann Coulter with a tapeworm mouth.
Pach has already registered his disapproval. He says this image will give him nightmares.
LJ: Why am I not surprised to discover that the Lake is replete with ass-fryers?
Remind me not to refresh this page. That has to be right up there with the lamprey-mouthed Ann Coulter for a vomitorium visit.
LB:
Like attracts like? ;)
T!
Still, it’s only 8:00 PM here out west. Hardly late night.
Gross pix at the top. But I like it.
Hey,TRex, Teddy, Renee, Loo Hoo, et. al!
How’s things? Any technical wizards out there? How can I (on a mac using OS X and Safari or Firefox) copy a .mp3 from a site that is using a Flash MP3 player? Is it doable? I need to copy some tunes for a couple broadway plays off of their web sites to another website. How can I download the music to my iTunes, and then back up to a website?
Thanks for any help.
LMAO.
Thanks TRex.
TRex @
8
You got me there. That one I saw as I was refreshing one last time before bed. *Shudder.*
Oh and before I forget: “What kind of fuckery is this?!?!”
I think it’s called Schadenfuckery.
Hello TRex! I just hope, hope, hope that there will actually be some piping hot justice served up sometime soon – I’m starved!
Jacqrat @ 14
You are way above my paygrade, dear.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 6
Hum a few bars.
What is that in his mouth, anyway?
EvilDrPuma @ 17
Beautiful!
I’ve been living and breathing Amy Winehouse ever since TRex put up “I’m No Good”. Hooked through the bag.
oregondave @ 21
Apple in the roast pig’s mouth of course.
Hey, Steve Audio!
I was just thinking about you…
I’m a millimeter closer to thinking we’ve ‘got’ Rove. The ball is in the Speaker’s court.
Jacqrat @ 14
I’m going to ask my daughter if she can help, Jacqrat.
I love the sound of frog marching in the morning. Great post, TRex.
dakine01 @ 23
Huh. Looks like a tomato to me, but close enough.
I am clapping my tiny forelimbs with delight!
It’s OK, TRex, you may have puny arms but you more than make up for them with your size of your mouth!
:-)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
Without Rove does Bush fall completely apart? Probably not since he has a few other work wives in reserve.
dakine01 @ 23
Never, ever, say “bite me” to this man.
There may be some Firefox extensions that let you winkle embedded mp3s out of Flash. Have you checked that possibility?
Jacqrat @ 14
Jacqrat –
It’s doable if you use another program to record the audio, if that’s all you need. I use a program called Audio Hijack. If you’d like some more detail please feel free to email me at (my first name) at (firstandlastname dot com). I can explain it more at length.
Jacqrat, My daughter said to ask Stephen. Sorry.
Riesz Fischer @ 29
And his sharp, sharp teeth.
TeddySanFran @ 19
Depends on the site. Point me where you want to go. I’ll help if I can. (Usually, it’s apple-click, if you have a one button mouse).
Scott McClellan is on Bill Mahr.
Alicia @ 22
Thanks to the miracle of netflix we watched the Dixie Chick documentary last night “Shut Up and Sing” and were knocked out. Even mr. npb, who is a music snob was completely won over by those amazing women. woo hoo!
oregondave @ 21
Some poor peasant’s broken heart.A tomato.
Riesz Fischer @ 29
And never say “bite me” to a 60′ Theropod.
TeddySanFran @ 19
Depends on the site. Point me where you want to go. I’ll help if I can.
Marcy is ahead of you, as usual (yesterday she had 3 posts before 5.30am – in the eastern time zone!!!)
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/
Also Josh has a very revealing email
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..age=1&
In the previous thread, I sensed a certain impatience with how this was playing out, but look at the date on Bell’s email – February 28. That is a little over 6 weeks ago. Woodstein would have been delighted to have made so much progress in so short a time.
John
Why did my comment post twice? Grr….
I’m listening to her right now.
“Over futile odds,
And laughed at by the gods.
And now the final frame,
Love is a losing game…”
holyshit, Scottie MC is on Bill Mahr.
OMG
TRex, when do the TomaRove t-shirts come ouut?
LBrowne @ 35
*ping!*
TRex @
39
Ah, well, LJ/Aquaria was correct and I was wrong. Such is life. Ain’t the first time and ain’t gonna be the last.
dang. fallin asleep. this will have to wait until the mornin. aw. heck. maybe tomorrow night. damn kids. wait, “boah, I sayah boah.” couldn’t resist. has anyone told TRex yet?
ccmask @ 37
It’s a tough choice, but I’ll stick with the picture of Rove here at FDL.
Guess I’ve been out of the loop. It wasn’t until today that I read about the threats against tech blogger Kathy Sierra (and Markos’ disappointing response.)
when this has played out, and the GOP crime family is put away where they can do decent folk no more harm, and democracy is restored…I envision Samborn losing it, like when Daffy Duck periodically went nuts, bouncing up and down and around the frame, kissing everything in sight, going “goo hoo! goo hoo! goo hoo!”
LJ/Aquaria @ 43
That’s just to make up for the RNC servers, where there are some posts missing.
Jacqrat @ 14
Audio Hijack has a free demo (the pay version is only $16 and worth every penny) which runs for 10 minutes before it adds some hiss to the sound, but if the songs are shorted than 10 minutes, you’re home free.
Hey, TRex, don’t knock Randall Samborn. He’s my relative.
TiredFed, that’s such a tease…. ;)
newspaperbrat @ 38
I have adored them even before their patriotic statement. They are the bomb.
Anatomy of Delete – love it!
Condi lost a round to Cheney, as did the Iranian “detainees”
Is it Rhode Island Trex or Leghorn Trex?
What’s in his mouth?
An Exxon Mobil dick.
Renee in Ohio @
51
Chris Clark at Pandagon had a pretty good response to Kos.
TRex @ 44
Can that bitch write or what? And her voice just mesmerizes me.
And what happened to my Toast Titanium…?Peterr @ 53
Heh! Too bad I can’t make theirs appear on my computer, eh?
I went to bed early last night. Did anyone link to the story about T-rexes and their relation to chickens? I’ll scrounge up the link if people don’t know what I’m talking about.
LBrowne @ 32
No… what does “winkle” mean, exactly ?
I knew this was going to be a good day when Jonathan Weisman’s political chat at the WaPo this morning slapped down DanGerstein not once but twice.
Jacqrat- YGM.
Honestly? Fitz may have been a hero for his work with the “sacrificial lamb” Libby, but honestly, it’s no big deal. What is a big deal is a lack of movement by the “just us” department, the FBI, and any other “LAW” enforcement agency in this cover-up.
I can’t wait until the time when I’m arrested and they ask me for my wallet and I can say, “I forget where my back pocket is”, or I “accidentally lost my wallet seconds before you pulled me over”.
What is wrong here? It was the same way with Foley. The government agencies refused to act until they were inundated with calls from common citizens. I know, I called the Florida FDLE to see what they were doing and they refused to tell me. I called the Florida FBI office and they were more interested in me than Foley.
This country sucks! Give me the USSR or give me death. Sorry, but that’s what we’ve become. No better, no worse. Please forgive us God for we know not, or especially care not what we do.
I think the reason the “Justus” department took Fitzgerald off the “to be fired”, er, I mean “to resign” list is because he agreed to stop at Libby. Anyone else agree? Hey, there’s been worse conspiracies. After all, there was the twin towers and the connection of the bin Laden and Bush families.
Thank you loyal Bushies for destroying our country!
Peace!
Colossians 3:23
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
In Speaker Pelosi’s court ? If that is the case I’m gonna pause and do a double old Snoopy Dance in sweet anticipation.
dakine01, thanks for the Pandagon link.
“It is not wise to argue with a Therapod while he is flossing with a European.”
~ Confusious
Alicia @ 54
Checking it out – it can rip songs and convert to .mp3?
Does anyone think the loyal “Bushies” counseled the media to non stop cover Imus and ignore the rape of our constitution?
Peace!
Colossians 3:23
Friends in High Places
Linkypoo
Renee in Ohio @
65
I think we’ve about abused our host’s patience with this subject, actually….
PeeJ –
I think Fitz is more of a Colossians 3:25 kind of guy: “For the wrongdoer will be paid back for whatever wrong has been done, and there is no partiality.”
Alicia @ 54
Alicia, I just met Audio Hijack yesterday and we’re in love.
(and the Amnesia CD I deleted lives on!)
I hope AH won’t think I’m fickle…
But iTunes didn’t want to give my new tracks info/names “not imported by iTunes”.
Snobs.
The friendly MusicBrainz crowd came up with IEatBrainz… which spits the song data right into iTunes.
Take that, Steve Jobs.
(said the Black Knight, on his stumps…)
This comment on EW’s Exhuming Atta post awhile back suggests Casino Jack knows alot more than he should.
BusChen’s hermetic AbuG-plug dams phenomena yet unseen. The fact-finding fan club ants go marching anthemically n by n to view the flask as D.O.J empties its corrosive contents of political plasma. Within the hallowed hollowed halls of inJustice lie lies, legends and Rove-Legion…for we are many.
Will the Pig drown in the Sea of Galilee?
lolo @
45
If more than a minute went by before Maher asked why he was such a lying little shit for such sleazeballs, I’m disappointed.
Peej: The USSR?!? Huh?
However, I must have missed something along the way. If Fitz was concerned about having sand thrown in his eyes by Scoots, why would the investigation end when the sand ceased to be flung? I haven’t understood this since Fitz’s post trial press conference where he said they were going back to their day jobs. Why wouldn’t he continue with the outing of a covert CIA agent case now that he has Scoots outta the way? I hope there’s a simple answer to this that I missed.
TRex,
I look forward to reading your remarks on the sequel. You make me laugh so hard, my chest hurts. Thanks to you and all the great writers at FDL. You have turned me into a blog junkie.
TeddySanFran @ 76
Ya, probably no more KFC for awhile!
lurcher, really appreciated that TPM link.
I like to think that judges stay above current unrelated events in their sentencing decisions, but I also hope Judge Reggie Walton is paying attention to DogAte. I hope he throws Irve in prison on June 5th, pending appeal.
TeddySanFran @ 59
Hard to believe that somebody’s still listening to Cheney. Does Condi have absolutely no concern about her place in history?
Jacqrat @ 73
Yes! It’s a great app. I have AudioHijack Pro, because i use it a lot, but the free version is great too.
TRex,
Thanks! I’m looking forward to the sequel already. You make me laugh so hard by chest hurts. Thanks to you and all the great writers at FDL.
Alicia @ 87
Wait – I think the free version saves the audio to AIFF, but then you load it into iTunes and convert it to .mp3.
Jacq- YGM- that AudioHijack thing sounds interesting. But, I might have a short-term solution.
Hmmm, Warren’s comment and LJ’s earlier comment both double posted. I’ll have the tech guys take a quick look to see if there are any glitches going on.
TeddySanFran @ 84
Just a reminder to all. May 1st is the deadline for getting your letters in to Judge Reggie on sentencing recommendations in the Libby case. All of Scooter’s BFFs are saying what a nice, family man he is, so there ought to be a few reminders that if he’s such a loving guy, why didn’t he save a little bit of that love for the Constitution he was sworn to uphold….
Deja Vous?
Great Ben Sargent cartoon on Czars: Czars cartoon
TeddySanFran @ 85
The deadline for letters to Judge Reggie is May 1. It is not too late to “remind” him!
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..to-reggie/
Courtney Ellwood suggested to her peers at DOJ that they use a SEALED INDICTMENT to help the White House’s political (immigration) campaign.
Rachel Brand colluded:
High crimes and misdemeanors.
Brand now heads the Office of Legal Counsel at DOJ.
When she pitched her bright idea, she was in the DOJ’s upper echelon. Jeffrey Taylor answered -
Learning about sealed Federal criminal indictments in our jobs at DOJ and planning how best to pass it to Karl?
Just another day for Jeffrey Taylor, US Attorney for District of Columbia, and Rachel Brand, Head Legal Counsel to the DOJ.
[note - comment substantially corrected. please refresh. kjm]
AZ Matt @ 75
There is a simple answer. Fitz kept his job by being blinded by the sand. Evidently Fitz was one of the USA’s to be replaced. He kept his job. Why did he keep his job? Did he keep it to stop at Libby? Why did he admittedly know about and ignore destruction of evidence. He even mentioned it! Did Fitz order forensic experts to recover this data 2 years ago? No! We got Scooter, he’ll get pardoned before he even has to go to jail, and we’ll be happy that gas isn’t 4 dollars a gallon.
Please tell me a USA that you can trust to do his/her job now? There are none. Why is there no independent investigation into what is going on? Why has Congress brought up these issues and no one is looking into it? Why is Karl Rove erasing hard drives while we “sleep”?
Curious patriots want to know.
Peace!
Colossians 3:23
This is my inspiration, I can’t speak for, or will I question anyone else’s efforts for God. This government has nothing to do with God!
Renee in Ohio @
71
De nada. Is my pleasure.
AZ Matt at 8:42 pm
ROFLMAO.
TeddySanFran @ 85
LiveBlogging the sentencing hearing . . . better pump up those servers now, because that’s going to be something. But I’ve had a dream . . .
“Mr Libby, this nation places its trust in its elected officials and those appointed to office to serve with them. This nation elects its leaders in free and open elections, conducts its business in open debate on the floor of the US House and Senate, and renders its judgments in courtooms open for all the world to see.
“Mr. Libby, you are a stain on our nation.
“You dishonor all who serve in government. Your lies before a grand jury are a slap in the face of every man and women who ever sat on a jury. Your manipulations of the legal process are a slap at every lawyer who has passed the bar. Your self-serving perjury is a slap at every person who draws a paycheck from the US Treasury.
“Mr. Libby, you are going to jail.
“You will spend your time among others who have broken the public trust and disrupted civil society. You will dine and live and work with others who have stolen and lied and embezzled and cheated.
“In short, you will serve your time among a community of your peers.
“You will rise when the guards say to rise, and you will sleep when the guards say to sleep. You will eat what the cooks prepare, and you will dream of what they don’t. You will wear what is provided, and long for what you used to wear.
“Mr. Libby, you have made a mockery of public service — and this public servant is not amused. . .”
And that’s just for starters.
Forelimbs. Drumsticks. Whatev-
Peterr @ 99
Man oh man, would I hate to be on the receiving end of one of your sermons…
What a wonderful bunch of threads on FDL today! I could hardly get any work done!
Here’s more grist for the mill:
Fitzgerald Cited Missing Emails During Plame Probe, By Jason Leopold at t r u t h o u t
The circle is closing around Rove!
Bob in HI
Valley Girl @
90
Waiting. not seeing.
Riesz Fischer @ 29
It occurred to me today that with what we know now about how tyrannosaurs walked and stood, the tiny forearms aren’t as useless as we all thought.
See, when we’re thinking of lumbering upright TRex with his arms twenty feet above the ground, of course the arms would be useless. But in the new model that pushes the T’s torso down and uses the tail for balance, suddenly the arms are just right for scooping up land critters. And the forward positioning with the tail out for balance probably allowed T to motor through the jungle at a good clip.
Peterr @ 99
One could do a pretty good riff on King’s “I have a dream” speech–with some appropriate substitutions…. :)
To continue this question: Who are the string pullers behind Rove? I don’t even believe that Bush hired Texas outfit which some call Mafia. Is it not the other way round? Puppet one gets to play puppet two, and the puppetier is who?
TeddySanFran @ 85
Or at the very least take his Passport away – though I like your solution so much more dear SF Teddy.
Hiya everyone!
Phoenix Woman @ 106
mulligatawny @ 108
get rid of all of them then!
SnarKassandra @ 110
You should be sleeping by now.
Hi SnarKassandra!
That was hilarious, thanks!
mulligatawny @ 113
Tell me that in half an hour! :(
Phoenix Woman @ 105
Good point. They’d also work to get a nice solid grip on larger prey for a bite. And short though those arms may be, from what I remember when I last saw Sue, the muscle attachments didn’t exactly look scrawny to me.
Alicia @ 114
Hi alicia! Our first subscriber!
EvilDrPuma @ 116
RAAAHHRR!!
*flexes manly bicep*
SnarKassandra @ 109
Hi. Don’t kids have better things to do on Friday nights anymore than hang around blogs with a bunch of geezers?
EvilDrPuma @ 102
Given the way Judge Walton bent over backwards to accomodate the defense, I think Libby might well want to hear one of my sermons rather than Reggie’s sentencing statement.
It ain’t gonna be pretty.
Pass the popcorn.
EvilDrPuma, speak for yourself. We ain’t geezers.
EvilDrPuma @ 120
YES! But I also had to be home by 11, which I was. And in bed by 11:30, which I will be. And I LIKE it in here. Would you rather I sneak out the window and go smoke in the parking lot?
SnarKassandra @ 119
Am I first? Yay me!
I find that if I look at this after looking at the Rove pic, I feel better.
Peterr @ 120
Plain or Extra Butter?!
mulligatawny @ 113
Hey SnarKassandra – always so good to see ya! I’ve been stuck at the office without wi fi all day and among other things I read the UPS paperwork and your package won’t arrive until Tuesday or Weds. -guess I wanted it there by Sat. and not paying the attention I should have.
;~(
Hi SnarKassandra!
These Friday document dumps are so old news.
What I mean by this is that in the past the “powers that be” may have thought Friday document dumps would somehow soften the impact of whatever was being dumped, with the weekend providing a buffer.
However, while the “powers that be” view Friday document dumps through the prism of the old dominance of the MSM, I personally find myself spending time over the weekends checking sites like Firedoglake, TPM and TPM Muckraker to find out the latest information about what the bastards in the Bush administration are up to.
Which means, with the internet becoming an important information highway for more and more citizens (like myself), that the Friday document dump actually works in a very timely fashion into my Saturday and Sunday internet surfing versus weekday work nights.
SnarKassandra @ 123
Remember what Kurt Vonnegut said: “We’re on earth to fart around.”
Never miss a chance to fart around. :)
Lord, no. Then you’d be me as a teen.
You’re not smoking are you?
Alicia @ 124
Now THAT’S a Zed.
SnarKassandra @ 122
Definitely not!
TRex @ 130
Nope. Not smoking. Not drinking. No drugs. Some kissing. Lots of chocolate. And I am addicted to blogging, IM, chatrooms and (it seems) FDL!
montag! :0)
Bob Schacht @ 104
Again, like that article says:
” In late January 2004, Patrick Fitzgerald, the US attorney appointed as special prosecutor to investigate whether White House officials knowingly leaked the identity of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson”
Why did Fitz stop on this path and return to his “day job”, when continuing the leaking of a covert CIA agent investigation WAS his assigned day job? Convicting Scoots was just one step along the way, not the end.
Have a hard time believing the idea that Fitz stopped at Scoots in order to save his job. Isn’t there a rational, legal explanation for this?
kirk murphy @ 134
Well, it’s okay to fart around… even with old geezers. :)
montag @ 130
heh heh – KV is an immortal!
Is this true? Someone left it as part of a comment?
SnarKassandra @ 137
It is true. I’m a little fuzzy on the details myself. I was at the beach with my family when all that went down, but Leopold didn’t come off looking good, as I recall.
SnarKassandra @ 137
TruthOut reported that, and it wasn’t true. I don’t recall how many times they reported it, and I don’t know how many times would count as “kept reporting” in this commenter’s opinion.
SnarKassie –
That Secret Republican Vocabulary of yours is proof that your new handle here at the Lake is well chosen. Among the entries . . .
Girl, you can snark with the best of them. It’s a pleasure to have you here.
My name is Patrick 4/4 – and I’m a geezer.
Jaq- took me a while to do first installment. YGnM. newMail.
Patrick 4/4 @ 142
Hi Patrick!
Nuts, I’ve just spent more than 2 hours trying to play catch up, couldn’t get on line all day…and now I can’t stick around to chat.
Wow, what a week to go on vacation and be stuck with dial-up. How am I going to download that DOJ document dump over this f*cking slow modem?? And then Marcy with her chewy-weedy posts and the ensuing threads including comments from looseheadprop and Mary4 — my head’s going to explode.
And no time on line tomorrow until very late again. Gah…hope you FirePups can keep a lid on it, stay at a simmer for the day!!
Marci did a great post (3 previous) that goes into the possible reasons why Fitz didn’t indict Rove.
Great read (sorry I don’t know how to link previous posts :]
Peterr @ 140
Peterr @ 140
THANK YOU! I heard someone say you give sermons. Are you a minister?
Peterr @ 145
I’ve stayed “with it” and hip to the kids’ “lingo” for six months, and tonight I get a chip.
((((Rayne)))
Foiled Faux frontman fumes…
“~}
Do I hear internet voices? (Yo Rayne!)
All they can see are the walking dead.
SnarKassandra @ 147
Peterr is a
real Christian. You know…the kind that objects to senseless torture and killing.
Hey, is anybody here using OS X? I freaking love my dashboard widgets. Yesterday, I downloaded the weather map one, so now I have the calculator, a dictionary/thesaurus, weather stats, a weather map (in motion!), the world clock and a calendar.
Sweet.
Those of you who are not using OS X, please disregard this bit of meaningless geekery.
EvilDrPuma @ 151
That is the kind i like! The kind of Christian, the kind of Jew, the kind of Muslim, the kind of everything.
I felt sorry for Jason Leopold and always thought he and others on that story were being played and set up. Hope he gets his street cred back sooner or later – if he was targeted it doesn’t appear that anyone in the story suffered as he did. FWIW SnarKassandra he had published a book that year about his junkie past in NYC and my radar then as now is he was an irrestible target by certain Rovians in and out of the so-called MSM. The scandal hurt truthout too but they are still standing as is Leopold. Maybe he’ll bounce back with renewed cred on the tubes or not. But then I’m a mom and it isn’t in my DNA to ever give up hope entirely.
Terrific list, SnarKassie!
http://youthinkleft.com/2007/0…..ocabulary/
Peterr @ 141
Ding!
TRex @ 152
And here I am thinking you are a Thesaurus (Rex)!
Hooboy, easy with the margins, kids. I’m feeling a bit woozy.
newspaperbrat @ 156
OK. Y’all forgot to read the sentence above where I said that a friend pointed me to these. I did not write them. I just posted them.
SnarKassandra @ 153
You are wise beyond your years. And let me say just for the record that I have had several Muslim acquaintances over the years (living around universities is good for things like that), and I have found those individuals delightful. Nuts to anybody who tries to say different.
SnarKassandra @ 148
Guilty as charged. Lutheran, to be specific, of the more moderate/liberal variety.
oops. i bet i broke the margins. sorry Trex!
What kind of fuckery is this? MILLIONS of e-mails, both private and public “missing?!!?” (Oopsie). What kind of fuckery are we if we do not throw these miscreants out lock, stock, & barrel?
TRex @ 154
Yes sir. I would love my widgets (calendar, sudoku, calculator, screen shot grabber, thesaurus, istat) if I had any time on the computer other than reading 60-foot yard birds.
snowedin06 @ 156
Yes, indeed.
I would add one to “faith”: “the almost certain belief that Republicans don’t prosecute Republicans.”
(edited to reflect real life. :) )
SnarKassandra –
My mistake for missing your attribution of credit on the YouThinkLeft posting.
She got it right — I screwed it up.
But . . .
Girl, you can SPOT snark with the best of them. Thanks for passing it along!
Peterr @ 166
On that note ….. See y’all tomorrow! Handing computer over and heading to bed.
TRex @ 154
I have an Air America widget (to listen to Randi Rhodes), a dancing hula girl, a weather widget,and a tuner.
Once you go Mac, you never go back!
EvilDrPuma @ 161
One thing that comes to my mind amidst the talk about the whole Obama/Madrassa thing is that how sad it is to think that someone having prayed in a Mosque would be a disqualification to becoming president.
wow. that picture is oing to cause a few nightmares.
Anybody talking about how cool it is to have Jim webb standing up to McCain??
Lieberman love Imus is fired and now Webb is smacking around St. John McCain. It’s a great week
I’m outta here, too. Later!
Please be kind to the margins. Do not use the quote this comment button when there are already quoted comments in the comment you are responding to. Doing so will bust the margins.
Dru @ 171
Or not having prayed at all. Even sadder, to some of us.
TRex @ 153
oooo! a weather map!! where’d ya get it?
Alicia @
169
ALl smart folks are using OSX (iMac G5, OS10.4.9)
Hey Jacqrat!
SnarKassandra @ 137
“Mr Leopold reported on the website Truthout.org that Karl Rove had been indicted. The story spread quickly throughout the blogosphere” ; )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Leopold
Wow, did my timing at 175 suck, or what?
hey Trex!
I was getting used to your smackdowns on Michelle Malkin that for sure you were going to comment on her getting smacked down yesterday on O-Loofalielly, calling herself a a whore! yes! Saw the youtube on brad friedman’s blog. Man, it was vicious. She was true to form as you’ve mentioned.
Caught her later by mistake, and she did re-runs the 2nd half hour. Wonder why. hmmm… maybe …who knows?
good night, peterr -
sleep well (the sleep of the just :)
Patrick 4/4 @ 178
Kind of a marginal moving violation, that was. :)
Wow, did my timing at 175 suck, or what?
laughing
That too, Patrick 4/4. Although I’m sure that somewhere along the line there have been those who haven’t but put on the Sunday suit for the sake of getting elected. Freedom of and from religion sure would be nice.
Missing emails? Just have the NSA forward copies. They have them ALL.
Here.
TRex @ 154
I love my iTunes Karaoke lyric generator…
Dru @ 184
Amen, he said, with fervor.
Linda @ 178
WHAT?!
Link, please.
TRex @
153
I’ll see YOUR widgets and raise with the G-mail, Skype and “13 language translator” widgets. I have 1 MacBook Pro & 1 PC laptop … and … Windows loyalists have got to be kidding.
montag @ 182
It was zigregious.
Patrick 4/4 @ 173
I refuse to distinguish. Unless an individual demonstrates an inability to discriminate between the promulgation of his or her religious opinions and the performance of his or her duty as a public servant, I couldn’t care less what those opinions are.
ccmask @
37
Having just watched Bill Maher and listend to Scott McClellan spewing bullshit with all earnestness, I agree with Puesto from the last thread that we should just laugh out loud. We should just guffaw and squirt milk through our noses. Bill Bradley said a lot of things I agree with, but it was not the appropriate response.
IT Director…
This almost sounds like a joke…If the White House can’t manage an e-mail system, how can we trust them with running the country, managing a war, etc?
And to be absolutely serious…Given the incredibly low cost of technology, it’s simply not credible to consider that they don’t have redundancy, massive amounts of backup/data snapshots, etc. Heck, even Windows isn’t that bad.
I simply find it hard to believe that this administration is going to resort to across the board mea culpa on all issues regarding their competency.
EvilDrPuma @
161
My family literally includes Muslims, Hindus, Christians of all denominations, Mormons, atheists and agnostics. We sometimes have lively conversations and we all agree that a bad egg is a bad egg, regardless of the chicken it came from. WTF, now I sound like Dan Rather .. I’m going to bed.
BTW, Dollar Bill handed Scott MC his ass on Bill Maher tonight. Too bad Bill wasn’t on when that asshole Frum was on a few weeks back.
G’nite Grandma, g’nite Grandpa, g’nite Elly, G’nite John Boy …
Evening, fellow pups!
It doesn’t look like this has been posted, so I thought I’d toss it in for a little late Friday night amusement: via Reuters -
link to dKos diary, which links to Reuters
What’s wrong, Irving? Not feeling so confident lately? Hehehe!
Mel – Y G M
Fire all the U.S. Attorneys in order to provide cover for your intention to fire the 8 or 9 you really want out.
Now that’s just demented. What a waste — to affect all of those lives, careers, families…
Karl Rove is a sick puppy.
Cozumel @ 176
This is not in question, but the phrasing of the comment that Cassie quotes is loaded in oh, so many ways. How many times does an incorrect statement have to be reported for the phrase “kept reporting”–which could imply anything from two or three times to dozens–to apply? And what is the measure of “a lot of credibility”–or is that only meant to claim greater credibility for the commenter without adequate support? Those are the questions that concern me, and frankly, Wikipedia’s undefined “spread spread throughout the blogosphere” is just as dubious to me.
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 183
This is a hugely important point.
How can we expect the Bush White House to defend our nation if they can’t find five million WH emails?
Petrocelli @
189
I am clearly missing something because I almost never use widgets. Can you keep them on while you do other things. I am on a Powerbook G4 and it takes a few seconds to enter or exit the dashboard. I installed all kinds of widgets and don’t ever look at them.
white_n_az @ 193
It’s not even a matter of cost. These details are handled by the Office of Administration, which is (or should be) mostly composed of career people who know the regs and operate within them.
What this clusterfuck means is that even that office has become politicized to a degree unheard of in prior years. The excuse given for the loss of several million emails was a transition from Lotus Notes to Outlook. The tech guys in government administration know how to archive stuff when such a procedure occurs.
What that means, simply, is that they were ordered–by the political appointees–to ignore the obvious.
white_n_az @
193
Which closet are they keeping the backup in? Who is charging how much to keep it stored away in there? You KNOW it exists, right?
joysness @ 146
Thanks for the tip. I guess that’s one theory, and who better to develop a theory on this subject!
“So by having Fitzgerald seize the RNC servers, rather than Waxman do it, you do it under the aegis of an ongoing criminal investigation.”
The next steps needed to be taken by Congress, which could then lead to Fitz getting back to his real “day job.” However if months/years go by and nothing much more happens, it’ll be suspicious.
Still not clear on why Fitz didn’t get the servers during his investigation. If he’s so concerned about sand being thrown in his eyes, it seems quite obvious that was happening with the evasive email issues, in addition to Scoots’ lies.
TRex @
185
can you get any other country than… erm… Germany?
TexasBetsy @ 201
If you bring them up by clicking on the Dashboard (or set it to open) at login, they are there and available whenever you click on the Dashboard icon. If you wait to open the Dashboard until you need it you lose the quick and easy part.
Patrick 4/4 @ 205
AAAAAHHHHHHH! Thank you!
montag @ 201
Solution to this seems entirely clear here…subpoena the tech staff and get them on the record, much like they did in the Plame hearing.
I hear what your saying and the extremely cynical part of me agrees, but still, there are remedies
Just logged on and delurking to say THIS is why I just luuuurv this joint.
TRex @
185
Pretty cool, but that link seems to only show weather in Germany and Switzerland. Got one for the USA?
Welcome, Garbo. Now that you have delurked, sit down, put up your feet, and stay a while.
Petrocelli @ 189
Ho hum ; ) Go here…
http://www.zillow.com/
Type in your street address and zip code. Get a “zestimate” of what your house is worth, complete with a sat view ; )
Suzanne @ 211
Garbo speaks!
Cozumel @ 211
And, refresh frequently, to show the value dropping. :(
welcome Garbo!
glad you decided not to be alone…
Garbo @ 208
Howdy! Good to see you.
NYT explains why Wolf-o-man ain’t what he used to be…
Downward BusChen soldiers…
Now why does the world need BusChen?
I guess his legacy will be that he solved global warming by systematically dismantling life on planet earth.
montag @
213
LOL Speaking of which, this was on Niteline tonight ; )
http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/
Waving to Garbo – did you like the recent remake of “The Painted Veil”? I haven’t seen it yet but I loved the original version from 1934.
I am increasingly glad that we rent!
I am increasingly anxious that the little house on the creek in the redwoods has not sold yet. My agent says patience but I am a natural-born worrier.
snowedin06 @
209
Dammit, I am becoming addicted to FDL, so went and made coffee.
Go to accuweather.com and download the widget. You can also get it and lots more from http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/?r=dbw
Cozumel @ 217
Umm, already, I don’t feel too sorry for the guy… in the first couple of paragraphs, he mentions three properties, which makes him an amateur speculator who figured he was gaming the system, instead of the system gaming him….
OK,who’s still here?
Sangemon @ 223
——> waves hand wildly while stifling yawn. hmmmmm (good for another half hour)
Hi everyone. I’m new here so please be patient. I love all your comments and links.
From earlier there was much about today’s document dump, along with Alberto’s appearance where he said he didn’t know or recall (much)… and also Samson’s chart. Last week (help me out here) wasn’t there a period like 11/27-12/07 when the DoJ had missing emails? Alberto had meetings (are there minutes?) during that time, so does this suggest an answer to the question: What did he know and when did he know it? The USAttorney were then fired.
Cozumel @
211
Wow, more useless information … ;-) Wish I were in Cozumel (the place), instead of wintry Toronto.
I play with the Hangman widget while I wait for the comments to refresh.
montag @ 222
From that site…
Casey Serin: I’m a 24 yr old “would-be real estate mogul” from Sacramento CA. After going to a few seminars I bought 8 houses in 8 months in 4 states with no money down looking to fix ‘n flip. I made some mistakes and am now millions in debt
Pat9 @ 225
Great question!
(no answer from me)
newspaperbrat @ 155
I’m with you. Leopold claimed he got his information from a reliable source. Truthout did not keep reporting the story, they kept defending Leopold, as they should have. Who knows what really happened.
How do you play with one widget and still see when the refresh comment button comes back?
Evil @ 198
This is not in question, but the phrasing of the comment that Cassie quotes is loaded in oh, so many ways. How many times does an incorrect statement have to be reported for the phrase “kept reporting”–which could imply anything from two or three times to dozens–to apply? And what is the measure of “a lot of credibility”–or is that only meant to claim greater credibility for the commenter without adequate support? Those are the questions that concern me, and frankly, Wikipedia’s undefined “spread spread throughout the blogosphere” is just as dubious to me.
They way they operate is to put up a story and leave it there. As the newer stories appear, the older ones sink down physically on the page. IIRC that’s what also happened with the Leopold story on Truthout until it became clear that it was incorrect.
melfeasance @ 229
Is it possible that it was true and that the indictment is still sealed?
Welcome to the Lake, pat9.
Cozumel @ 227
Oh, an even bigger idiot than I realized. Now, I feel just a little bit sorry for him. But, only a little bit.
TexasBetsy @
228
Patience pups … I believe he’s appearing before Waxman & Co. on Monday … sniff, sniff, I feel a 24 hour flu coming on.
Suzanne @ 220
How much and pictures online?
Petrocelli; your family sounds like fun. I always say “the more mixed up the better!”
Hi to the new folks!
TexasBetsy @ 231
I’m sure that’s possible, but if I knew that was the case, I wouldn’t have reported that Rove had been or was about to be indicted. Those phrases imply that the indictment was already served or that service was imminent.
No, it’s sloppy reporting by any standard. But that isn’t warrant for the implied claims in the comment Cassie had quoted.
bonkers, here is the link – it is a stock cooperative which prevents traditional financing.
TexasBetsy @ 230
Ma’am, if I told you, I might be banned from this site ;-)
Actually, I have a MacBook Pro Core2Duo and it does things that make my geek friends shake their heads in disbelief.
Patrick 4/4 @ 212
Garbo horns in. ;~)
Welcome pat9. Thanks for joining us!
TexasBetsy @ 232
Is it possible that it was true and that the indictment is still sealed?
I’ve always wondered about that.
TexasBetsy @ 232
By now, tres doubtful. If the indictment had been sealed to insure Rove’s cooperation in the Libby case, it would have been quashed by now.
Leopold probably got punked–it’s likely that two sources gave him a bum steer. But, on news like that, he should have resisted the temptation and gone for more confirmation.
The full context of Cassie’s quotation can be found here.
1.
frecklescassie said,
April 11, 2007 at 5:10 pm
I am like the only one of my friends who doesn’t have an ipod. But I have a different kind of MP3 player that uses one AA battery.
2.
Emily said,
April 11, 2007 at 5:13 pm
I’m also one of the few of my friends without one. Can’t brag much about my lack of e-waste though, unfortunately, as here I am on a PC. At least I only had to pay for it once, though, and it’s likely to last more than 13 months (knock on wood).
3.
mommasteph said,
April 13, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Totally unrelated, and I have no reason to question this article or others you’ve linked from that site, but TruthOut lost a LOT of credibility last year when they kept reporting that Karl Rove had been indicted when he hadn’t. So just a note of caution. I hate getting burned.
4.
Emily said,
April 13, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Oooh, thanks for the warning. I’ll…watch out for that I guess…
I’m pissed @ Leopold & truthout. But I have to say that something interesting happened here. The only move for truthout, when Leopold was reporting the alleged T/Blossom indictment and it was denied, was to fire his ass publicly and loudly. Their cred was tied to his reporting, he has a little history, and they continue to stand behind him.
As I recall, the only denial came from Luskin, and there is still a sealed document somewhere.
I have no idea what happened here. I’m only saying that truthout gains nothing by keeping him unless he was either suckered by authoritative sources or is 100% correct.
Dru @ 237
What’s great is we keep celebrating each other’s festivals – Eid, Divali, both Christmas’s – the partying goes on year round.
Anytime I hear someone bad mouth a race, creed or religion, I say, “Wait a minute, I know some of those people and they’re not like that.”
The haters usually are not true followers of their faith, but I’m sure you wise people already knew that.
montag @ 233
The goddess must love idiots – we are blessed with such an abundance.
I feel sorry for all suffering idiots, but I’ve limited empathy for the greedy ones.
Can’t imagine what they were thinking.
_____________________________________
and now for something completely different….
______________________________________
Petrocelli, how great to meet your wise and happy self -
Bright Blessings!
Newspaperbrat, if you are still around, I received the package safe and sound. Thanks so much for the extras!
kirk murphy @ 248
Well, the greedy are like beetles, then. :)
Greed sort of clouds the cognitive processes….
Suzanne @ 239
Thanks…interesting. We’re currently in the midwest but want to return to my native Napa Valley area, so we have been poking around up there. I can mention this to my better half, but I know being close to the ocean was important, so doubtful. I’ll let you know if there’s interest though…
newtonusr @ 246
And he’s innocent until proven guilty.
OldCoastie @ 204
Oops.
Heh.
Anyone been talking today about Bush asking Congress for more freedom to spy?
thanks, bonkers. not on the ocean – 13 miles inland in the santa cruz mountains.
Pat9 at 225
Welcome to the Lake!
I don’t think the e-mails from 11/27-12/7 have been lost – they just haven’t been turned over, yet.
The NYT is reporting that Friday’s doc dump seems to make clear that a concerted effort to place Gonzo/Bush loyalists in the USAtty slots has been underway for at least two years.
They are also saying that Sampson appears to have perjured himself when he told Congress that replacements weren’t selected in advance of the firings – when in fact his own e-mail suggests replacement candidates more than 10 months prior.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..ref=slogin
IIRC, Jason went on a radio show shortly after his story was questioned and said something like, I stand by my sources, blah blah, and if this does not pan out I will reveal their names.
*crickets*
Maybe, just maybe I don’t recall this correctly but reporters should do that, imo.
Petrocelli @ 227
I’d give anything to be living in my grandmother’s house in Toronto – it was sold when she died, but if my ship ever came in I’d buy it back from whoever bought it. I love Toronto.
greenwarrior @ 241
I was just all mixed up, thinking of Harpo’s horn. Even so, it would have been better to say “Garbo enters with horn blazing” or some such. Sorry. And welcome!
And here is a lovely news item: Leader of immigrant brothel ring gets more than 6 years in prison
Group ran brothels around the country, authorities say.
Suzanne @ 220
Listen to your agent dear Suzanne. My neighbors across the street put their house on the market early last fall – and had just about given up all hope. It sold within the last two weeks to a couple from Pennsylvania for a vacation home. I thought of you and meant to report what my neighbor told us – the entire central coast including homes within reasonable distance from the actual coastline are very desirable as second homes.
Spring has sprung and summer just around the corner and I’m confident you’ll have the right buyer sooner than later. Not to mention your house is a jewel in an oasis of serenity and privacy. Wish I could buy such an affordable and charming home in such an enchanted setting.
The only thing that has had me scratching my noogin is why it isn’t more expensive cause it is not only charming it is secluded but convenient to all the villages and towns south and west on the desirable central coast.
Oh, and Big Sur properties have just started to move if I’m interpreting the recent stats in the local Monterey daily who report every detail of home sales from county records. ;~)
montag @ 249
Thanks. I finally understand.
That explains why greedy people have really atrocious table manners.
And their shiny moist “skins” are really chitin.
Leopold’s shtick is to try to “scoop” something that everyone expects to happen, with an anonymous source. IIRC he first got burned with this on John Paul II’s death. Everyone knew JPII was going to die. Leopold kept publishing that he had an anonymous source that he was already dead. JPII kept hanging on and Leopold was unmasked as the fraud that he is. On the Libby story, imho Leopold consistently stole the insights of emptywheel, Christy Smith, and Jane Hamsher and republished them at TruthOut without attribution back to emptywheel, Jane and Christy. He “repackaged” their insights as coming from from anonymous sources that he invented. Then to make his crime even worse, Jason would comment over at FDL under an assumed name, asking innocently if anyone had seen Jason Leopolds’ latest. That stole traffic, which is revenue for any blog, from FDL and TNH and drove it over to TruthOut. That’s what burned Jason on the Rove indictment. Everyone, not just the blogs, the MSM too thought that Fitz was going to indict Rove. Leopold, however was the only one who published it based on his anonymous sources. FDLers pounded Jane and Christy unmercifully demanding to know how Leopold could have sources they did not have. To Jane and Christy’s and emptywheel’s everlasting credit, they never caved. They would not publish a story based solely on Leopold’s reporting, even though the story agreed with their speculation based on the facts in the public arena.
Later on the radio, as the days went by and Rove was not indicted, Leopold said if the Rove indictment scoop turned out to be false, he would identify his unnamed sources. IIRC, he said that he had five. Of course, he never did.
Since then, no one with reliable information about any story would ever go to Leopold. They’d go to Murray Waas, or someone at the NYT’s or the Compost or just about anyone else except Jason. Jane, Christy, emptywheel and other bloggers never use “anonymous sources.” All they use is hard work and pouring over the available documentation. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a story by Leopold that did not use an “anonymous source.”
From that site…
Casey Serin: I’m a 24 yr old “would-be real estate mogul” from Sacramento CA. After going to a few seminars I bought 8 houses in 8 months in 4 states with no money down looking to fix ‘n flip. I made some mistakes and am now millions in debt
Maybe Casey can get his/her money back for those seminars.
(Hi Pupsters! Just a quick post and run, unfortunately. Much love to y’all, though!)
I thought I had Adobe downloaded, but search function doesn’t find it.
Is that the best PDF reader to download? Is an older version OK?
Hi Mrs. K8! Good to see you – hope you’re doing well.
Petrocelli says:
What’s great is we keep celebrating each other’s festivals – Eid, Divali, both Christmas’s – the partying goes on year round.
I too have been known to celebrate more than one tradition, and have found over the years that it is shocking to some…You can’t do that! (I live in a red state)
Alicia @
258
I love Toronto too, but I wouldn’t mind being in Cozumel right now, we got some cold winds blowing … had to put the furnace back on ;-)
If my ship comes in, I might just buy you that house. My own grandma passed a long time ago, but I love visiting my friends’ grandmas … tons of wisdom … and great food too.
Alicia @ 258
Love T.O. also! Although gotta stay away from Queen St…ugh…always end up getting ridiculously drunk there…
Leopold stood by his story & sources relentlessy. He also publicly vowed to out those sources, if he found that they had lied to him. Last I heard, that never happened.
I think his sources may have been punked, which in the end left him punked.
But I also have this strong gut feeling that Fitz got punked, at the last minute. And that Gonzo, Dick & George were in on it.
Gunga Djinn @ 270
I think you may be on to something there.
John Casper,
Nice rundown. Like the wannabe house flipper I just posted about, Leopold gambled and lost. His scoop was a fabricated guess. Snake eyes, he lost ; )
Dru @
267
Send those rednecks up to Toronto, we’ll show them how much fun it is to be multicultural … and open minded.
[sorry for the typos, I’ve a coffee in one hand and one eye on the hockey games ;-)]
Eureka Springs at 10:26 pm
Yep, he knew exactly what he was doing. He made that claim on radio, not in print.
He’s also made vile physical threats against a blooger over at TNH, under an assumed name, “Harry Shed.” He later apologized over at TNH under his own identity, but the didn’t stop him from coming back to insult emptywheel on occasion under a different assumed name.
bonkers @
269
They’re many, many places to get ridiculously drunk here ;-)
Maybe we can do an FDL convention up here or something.
Innocent, guilty, whatever. Clearly, Marc Ash believes Leopold, and that’s good enough for me – he’s (Ash) the one with his ass hanging out in the breeze when and if one of his reporters lies or gets suckered. According to Ash (I’m looking for the piece now) as I recall, he checked Leopold’s sources and backs him to this day.
What’s angering to me is that truthout has declined to elaborate on who fed this bullshit to their man, if that’s what happened. IIRC, the rule is: If you get fucked by a source, you fuck’em right back, in the ear.
And truthout won’t fire and/or otherwise humble Leopold, who brought the wrath of Blog down on their heads, for lying, if that’s what happened. I’m just saying…
WTF?
waving at Coz.
Gnome de Plume @ 249
You’re welcome – just got a fresh supply of the peace dogtags if you’d like anymore for your best friends or enemies. LOL! I imagined you tucking one in your Mother’s Day card wrapped in the bumpersticker. They don’t call me brat for nothin!
John Casper @ 274
That’s so….ohhhhh, what’s the word???? Republican! Yea, that’s it.
newspaperbrat, i answered your questions in an email i just sent you
newspaperbrat @ 278
I get mother’s day gifts like that. Doesn’t everyone?
newtonusr @ 276
That’s the rule of the news jungle. Your sources burn you, you burn your sources.
If that’s a good enough rule for the CIA, the press ought to pay heed.
Petrocelli @ 275
That would be cool. A Canadian FDL convention! The Yearly Lake? Would give a good excuse to cross the border.
Thanks, John Casper, Always great to see you.
Didn’t catch mention of this on the lake but I caught a brief snip on CNN today.. Libbys team has decided not to ask for another trial but will appeal? Is that possible? Would an appeal just be a review by another judge under that situation?
That’s the rule of the news jungle. Your sources burn you, you burn your sources.
If that’s a good enough rule for the CIA, the press ought to pay heed.
Failure to do so causes loss of credibility (and not just with readers).
Suzanne @
220
Hi Suzanne, there is no such thing as a natural-born worrier, if you want to get rid of it, get some Louise Hay books and CDs. Sorry if I’m intruding but I’m a meditation teacher and I have seen the devastating results of worrying, fear, etc.
Trex, sorry it took so long, here’s the link,
http://www.bradblog.com/
Time to sleep. See y’all soon.
bonkers @ 283
LOL … I must warn all of you, if you come to Toronto, you might not want to go back.
John Casper @ 263
What a shame. What a fvcking shame. Thanks for taking the time to shed some light on the matter, John. I appreciate it.
Petrocelli —– Isn’t it REALLY cold up there?
Send those rednecks up to Toronto, we’ll show them how much fun it is to be multicultural … and open minded.
[sorry for the typos, I’ve a coffee in one hand and one eye on the hockey games ;-)]
Do you want them all at once, or one by one? Virginia has a lot of ‘em!
Good nite, all!
Petrocelli @ 269
Growing up, my siblings and I spent every summer and a few winters with my Nana and Auntie (who shared the house). It was right between Yonge and Mt. Pleasant about (or should I say ‘aboat’) a half-mile north of Lawrence. When we were kids – young kids – we’d be given a handful of tokens and ride the subway all day – go downtown, down by the water and Ontario Place, or to the Science Center. They also used to rent a cottage every year on the Georgian Bay, by Midland/Penetanguishene. Paradise.
TexasBetsy @ 281
LOL! GdP has a Republican mother-in-law and its only a guess but I doubt she has ever gotten an enclosure that GdP has in mind on Mother’s Day. heh!
Back atcha ES, I’m not able to spend as much time here as in the past.
There are several comments about the Libby news on earlier threads. IIRC, I saw some comments about it from Mary4, looseheadprop, Christy, Jane, and emptywheel. Again IIRC, it’s good news, and it limits his appeals, but he still can appeal.
Petrocelli @ 289
Oh I know it! Been there several times and each time get closer and closer to developing a plan to move there. Got “Now Renting” guides last time a few months ago.
John Casper @ 277
Back at ya!
Excellent investigative reportage on the whole mess, then and now ; )
Props to green peeps today too…
A shout out to the barristers at the barricades!
re: #263
I was not aware of that part of the story (FDL/Leopold), so I’ll retroactively temper my last post in that regard.
But the part about Fitz getting punked stands. I think Fitz was shackled re. Rove (legally or otherwise) at the last minute, and I think it’s a key piece of the larger puzzle we’re all working on (excuse any bits here that are accepted fact, as I’m not working with the level of detail some here are)
goodnight, TexasBetsy
don’t let the Goopers bite!
In honor of Ted Stevens’ milestone: COOT OFF!
TexasBetsy @ 288
Good night and sweet dreams dear TexasBetsy – you are a treasure!
melfeasance at 10:47 pm
You’re very welcome.
TexasBetsy @
291
Hang on Grandma, let me get my Celsius to Fahrenheit widget out … it’s 28 degrees F right now with the windchill.
John Casper @ 274
Too bad he didn’t use this name:
“Jack Mehoffer, Springfield, Massachusetts says, “O’Reilly, I see the new Fox definition of fair and balanced means interviewing DNC chief Terry McAuliffe at both conventions.”
Well, right you are, Mr. Mehoffer. Newt Gingrich appeared with us at both conventions. So did Mr. McAuliffe. What’s the beef, sir? It is long past time to stop the partisan nonsense. Fox News gives airtime to all responsible viewpoints. And our commentators are clear and lively. No hidden agenda here, just flat out stimulating TV. And that’s memo.”
This is from the Pox Snooze transcript. Stephanie Miller has played the audio along with some others (I remember hearing Mike Hunt and Dick Pinch). O’loofah never realizes he’s getting pranked. Hilarious!
Petrocelli @ 304
Umm, ~2 deg. C, or so?
Dru @
292
Send those rednecks up to Toronto, we’ll show them how much fun it is to be multicultural … and open minded.
[sorry for the typos, I’ve a coffee in one hand and one eye on the hockey games ;-)]
Do you want them all at once, or one by one? Virginia has a lot of ‘em!
Good nite, all!
Ha Ha Ha, first you have to convince them that we don’t all live in igloos and ‘row our canoes’ to work, collecting beaver pelts.
Petrocelli @ 290
That’s the truth. It’s clean, cosmopolitan, friendly and beautiful. And Queen Street does have some great places to drink (from what I can recall back in the day when I still did that sort of thing…)
Hey, why ya always making fun of my name?!!?!
Jack-in-a-sock?
Jack Mehoffer @ 309
Umm, I think this requires a “facts of life” talk. Are you ready for that? :)
bonkers @ 296
I travel a lot and I can’t tell you how hard it is to convince ‘furreners’ that Americans haven’t lost all their marbles by supporting Bush & his gang of idiots. It’s going to take a lot to right the wrongs of the last 6 years, getting Gore to run will go a long way to doing so.
Way OT, sorry.
bonkers @ 305
Oh boy. I’m getting Court TV Message Board deja vu all over again. One of my favorite screen names there in that vain was…
Lynn Schmob ; )
Nite all
Dover, thanks for the link, lmao.
Petrocelli @ 312
Al Gore is never off-topic!!!!
Alicia @ 308
It certainly doesn’t help when one of your friends is a bartender at the Rivoli there. Ugh…think I’m getting quesy just thinking about the last night there…
Alicia @
308
Canada is the only place where someone tells you sorry when YOU step on THEIR feet ;-)
bonkers @ 316
I saw one of my favorite bands The Paladins there, but I can’t remember which club.
montag @ 311
Sure. Kim Fields was my favorite.
bonkers @
316
You haven’t been hammered until you’ve had 10 or 12 or more … at the top of the CN Tower, then looked down.
Alicia @
315
Gore came up here twice to talk about global warming. Scalpers were getting $200 for $12 tickets … and many of us were thinking … that’s worth it.
If he doesn’t run and win in ‘08, we’re gonna make him a Canadian citizen and anoint him Prime Minister of Canada.
bonkers @
305
Mike Hunt was used at Court TV also, by a merry prankster female!
Later
Petrocelli @ 322
Then I’ll go there for sure!
Was there last Fall, and my friends had campaign materials for a legitimate political candidate, Jack Layton who looks like some stereotypical businessman, and he had Mary Jane leaves all over the flyers. God, I love Canada!
Alicia @
323
I sure hope he is re- elected President of the U.S., and gets his job this time … and millions, if not billions, of people feel the same way.
Didn’t Canada recently tighten up about Americans going up there?
bonkers @
324
Yeah, we’re working on legalizing Marijuana … hey if the Swiss can, I think we should too. We also allow gay weddings and forbid our politicians from making religion a campaign issue.
TRex @
253
Poifect!
Suzanne @ 326
Only the Bushies ;-)
bonkers @
283
Loon Lake.
Speaking of dreams, not sure if this qualifies, but it’s like one of those falling ones…with dubya
you can use your cursor to help him keep falling, btw
Patrick 4/4 @ 330
Loonie Toonies, eh?
Patrick 4/4 @
330
I read a few weeks (or more) back that one of my fellow FDL bloggers in Toronto has Hot Chocolate with Canadian Whisky … it will be a great convention … Meditation & Crown Royal.
Suzanne @ 326
No. That was more a factor of the US Govt getting paranoid and insisting all travelers use passports even for daily travel over hte bridges. It’d due to take affect later this year or early next. I can’t remember. But the US Rep over in Buffalo,NY is making a lot of noise about it. Because requiring passports for travel both ways? Basically will kill all the small businesses that thrive on cross border traffic.
Also, in my case? It isolates most of my family from each other. I’m the only one out of both sides that has a valid passport at the moment. I have a LARGE family between the canadians and the americans, so that’s saying something. I plan on renewing mine, but it’s a pain in the behind to pay 100$ for something for when my Mom crosses the border into ontario to see HER mother at least once a week. (I grew up doing that!) All she’s ever needed was her Visa to do so.
This passport thing? Sucks and is more isolationist crap. Because those who want to do so with malicious intention? Will get a passport. This just punishes us for that.
bonkers @ 332
Dubya loon.
Petrocelli @ 333
OmMG.
aliasofwestgate, thanks, I thought I remembered something had changed and made things worse.
Those passports are the new ones with the radio frequency device implanted in them.
Petrocelli?
Now THAT’s a hot toddy. ^_^
Suzanne @ 326
Umm, sort of. I think there was some agreement made between the Harper government and the U.S. that Canada would not harbor awol soldiers.
Everyday Americans, no. The U.S. just demanded that everybody have passports to go back and forth.
aliasofwestgate @
334
Before all of this ‘border security’, a first class plane ticket meant you could show up 20 minutes before the flight and walk on. Now, you have to get there 2-3 hours before the flight. Try doing that 3 times a week. I’m not the CIA, but I think this border is pretty safe. With all the illegal drugs getting into America, I think terrorists can get in any time they want to. America’s haters will go when America’s foreign policy mirrors its Constitution.
Patrick 4/4 @ 336
Yes, we’re spiritual people … hic
Excellent pun btw.
Suzanne @ 337
Yeah. I have to renew my old one too, next year. *sighs* So i have to put up with that lousy tracker. I don’t mind paying the money, but i’ve gone overseas with my passport. I intend to do so again, so for me? Paying 67$ to renew is worth it. Especially with the 10 years that it’s valid. But it’s absolutely stupid for my family to do so. My mom’s canadian, and this is just the stupidist most offensive idea to me in the world. This is my FAMILY they’re about to cut off with that stupid fee. Mom will get one if need be. But it seems so stupid. She renews her Visa every 10 or so years, and THAT costs money. She never took american citizenship, not when canada’s about 5 miles away for her.
aliasofwestgate @
338
I know … Whisky with Hot Chocolate for breakfast … I never thought of having Hot Chocolate for breakfast before.
newtonusr @
276
Found it.
Suzanne @ 280
You have mail too – hope & trust you’re still here grand mod! ;~)
thanks, npb.
Ed*ard Teller @
58
excellent!
SnarKassandra @
138
Someone is not being as careful with the facts as you need to be. For present purposes, we can begin on 26 April 2006 with Leopold’s report, “Target Letter Drives Rove Back to Grand Jury.” This is an interesting report because prosecutors don’t just issue target letters casually. And Rove had already been to this grand jury many times before.
But what really got your goat, most likely,
was Leopold’s reports,
“Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted” (12 May 2006), followed the next day by
“Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators” on 13 May 2006.
Now of course, we were all very disappointed when there was no public indictment forthcoming in the following weeks. I’ve been reading Leopold’s columns for years, and he does not play fast and loose with the facts. This story is NOT over yet.
Something happened that weekend, or in the weeks that followed, that Leopold and his source did not anticipate. That trip back to the grand jury 2 weeks before should not be forgotten as an important piece of this puzzle. But please read on.
Four weeks later, there followed the curious case of “Sealed vs. Sealed,” the subject of a Jason Leopold Report on 12 June 2006. To this day, the contents of that indictment have not been made public, although theories abound. Leopold hints that the indicted party was Rove. His report is worth reading again, because of its references to Fitzgerald’s partner in the Libby trial, Peter Zeidenberg, lead prosecutor on the Abramoff case.
Furthermore, it was at this time that Fitzgerald sent his famous letter to Rove that Rove’s lawyer, Bob Luskin, waved around, claiming that Rove was exonerated. Here’s what FDL’s Jane Hamsher wrote about it, here at FDL, in a post titled ” Hey Bob, Where’s Your Letter?”
In other words, you may not have been “burned,” but like many others, you may have jumped to premature conclusions.
As they say, “But wait! There’s more!”
Leopold revisited this situation on 21 August 2006 with a report, “Indictment Still Sealed, Fitzgerald Still Busy”. Leopold speculated that Rove was “cooperating”, and attention was shifting to the Vice President, with results that we now know. The article states,
This theory has been advanced further by the speculation that in a rare special arrangement, Rove has privately plead guilty to at least one count of an indictment (sorry, I can’t remember the reference, but it was floated about a month ago.)
So please be patient, and cut Leopold some slack. There’s still time for the chickens to come home to roost.
Bob in HI
Wowie Zowie TREX – 346 comments & counting and not even near midnight! You will remember us little peeps when you’re rich & famous, right?
newspaperbrat @
349
It’s been great tonight, chatting with so many new friends. Thank you FDL.
Yeah, kinda slow tonight, npb … (end snark)
Bob Schacht @ 348
Sorry, but that’s simply wishful thinking.
If Rove pled to a charge, any indictment would have to be unsealed to accept the plea. It would have then been public. The only exception to that would have been if Rove had been accepted into the witness protection program, and, as you can see, he has not been.
No one with a shred of decency left wants to see Rove skate on this matter, but, alas, he did.
Leopold got punked. Ash got punked. And they probably hate that more than anyone. But, not saying so holds out false hope in the matter.
Just catching up here…there is more to come Monday…
Like whiney Tim Griffin not liking the publicity…
Boo hoo hoo, The Patriot Act boo-boo boy can’t ride with the big kids because his training wheels failed their test-drive. That’s OK, Mommynica kiss it and make it better…
Who do you mean “WE” Mr. Assistant AbuG…The BusChen Faithful Crusaders who Control Reality And Maintain Continuity?
TRex, I’m glad your smallish arms are useful, but don’t the feathers get in the way?
:)
itwasntme @
354
I think he went to sleep … or on his way to eat your dog. He overdosed on snarks about his feathered relatives last night.
Petrocelli @ 355
I wondered how long and deep the snark from that artical would flow….
neokneme @ 353
Thanks for the linky and I especially liked your snark – so skillfully making me laugh out loud before I head to dreamland. Best of all I have Mon and Tues off and have so much to look forward to in the new week. (g)
snuffy @
356
Someone asked if he knew that his dinner is his relative and I added, “That’s the circle of life.”
… didn’t want to make him angry with any further comments.
EvilDrPuma @
198
Thank you– I agree!
I think it is too bad when otherwise sensible progressives tar a fine investigative reporter who has a better record than most with an overly-broad brush. But they only cheat themselves by depriving themselves of a first rate source of information. Leopold is in the top 10% of today’s investigative reporters, and anyone who thinks otherwise is making mountains out of mole hills, and v.v., IMHO.
Bob in HI
P.S. If the Moderators want us to be careful not to break the margins with the dreaded Ziggurat, we need a better set of tools to deal with the Zig!!!! It takes too much time to simulate quotes in other ways!!!
Although I have a chicken that seem to remember Trex as a ancestor…the one that flys thru the air and attacks me when I go in to feed the crew….He just about met god yesterday when he hit me full force,feet{claws}extended mid-chest.This was not a small bird8-9lb,with a smelly chickenshit attitude
monday looks good…
g’nite pups…
g’nite Lake…
g’nite moon…
g’nite thrush…
newspaperbrat [with a] 357 “…so much to look forward to in the new week.” (g)
“~}
P.S. If the Moderators want us to be careful not to break the margins with the dreaded Ziggurat, we need a better set of tools to deal with the Zig!!!! It takes too much time to simulate quotes in other ways!!!
Bob, I use a fast and simple cut and paste.
to extract:
Bob Schacht @ 348
I have no clue if Leopold is a decent guy caught in Rovian switches, a predicate liar with a need to be publicly flogged, or just overly anxious. I have, however, heard the same chatter about some of his methods that others cling to.
I can’t get past Marc Ash’s defense of the story. Truthout was being hammered badly. The place has nothing but their rep, whether aptly named or not. He backed Leopold solidly when, even if he believed the story, he could rid himself of the nuisance by firing him.
Ash stood and proclaimed his faith in his reporter after, apparently, consulting with the sources. This may speak badly of Ash (a dupe, a liar, shoddy), and they’ll continue to suffer donation issues until they burn the sources or fess-up.
TexasBetsy @
232
YES!!!
Bob in HI
Charlie Rose is coming on with something he is calling Sunday on Friday night – a new series – guests include…..hold on Charlie is blathering – gonna talk about Wolfovitz, Imus and Kurt = David Remnick, Martha Radrich, Jeff Greenfield, oh dear – didn’t catch the other guest/s.
Doesn’t look like any body answered Jaqrat @ 66. Winkles are periwinkles, an small Atlantic snaily type of mollusk (a whelk, technically) that you can eat even though it takes a bit of effort and skill to extract them from their shells. Hence the verb. Remember the song ‘Cockles and mussels, alive, alive-o’. Cockles, I think, are another name for winkles. This is also a suitable analogy for extracting documents from the Bush administration, sort of like ‘extracting hens’ teeth’.
Ah, I just found a link http://www.answers.com/topic/winkle
to check that I’m not just bloviating.
Bob Schacht @ 365
I’m afraid that I see that “YES!!!” as an article of faith, rather a reflection of law.
Cite the law that makes that situation possible, please. What you are saying, in essence, is that TruthOut and Leopold are right, and in doing so, are saying that both the prosecutor in the case and the court have colluded to hide evidence of wrongdoing.
By what mechanism was Rove allowed to plead guilty of a crime and then released without punishment and without the unsealing of the indictment?
Suzanne @ 326
Lotsa new datasharing between ICE and the Mounties has resulted in regular US visitors now getting turned back due to that joint they got busted for in the 1970s.
more here
someone’s pinched me winkles!
TeddySanFran @
369
I heard that some Ivy League Professor got taken off a flight because he made a speech critical of Bush. They’re not going to allow any Canadians in “Um-merikuh” ;-)
“someone’s pinched me winkles!”
Jeff Greenfield, with a straight face, just told the hapless Charlie Rose – “I’m just a country pundit” – bwhahahahahahahaha
As my sweet southern Mother would say, “Jeff, at least you know your own dilemma………….
bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Sorry firepups – its probably just a failed southern belle thang…..
Hi again and thank you all for your friendly greetings.
It’s late here on the east coast. I read up to #270 so someone else may have said this too: I think Rove WAS indicted but it’s sealed. Fitz was doing his best in the legal field; Rove is in the Power field. Rove could have taken out Fitz anytime Fitz got too close. Rove’s Power connections had the upper hand. I think for Fitz it was a case of take what you can get.
Good night all.
Paul Wolfowitz, the guy who helped get us into a war by invading Iraq–couldn’t happen to a better guy. And his Arab girlfriend. Wonder if A*P*C approves of that.
Pat9 @ 374
Night,night Pat9, its nice to see you here. Am gonna call it a late night too and head for dreamland as well.
Sweet dreams all you intrepid firepups!
newspaperbrat @ 373
Poor Greeny – trolling for compliments. But he writes a great book about a Constitutional crisis.
Got to finish some writing before turning in. Good night all; be strong Suzanne @ 220.
Hello and good evening Pat9, you too ‘brat!
Thanks, Petrocelli
I’m gonna call it a night myself. G’nite all.
EvilDrPuma @
238
ARGH!!! That’s calumny. It doesn’t fit Leopold.
Here’s the counter-argument:
Does Rove Have a Secret Plea Deal?
By Jeralyn, Section Valerie Plame Leak Case
Posted on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 11:26:11 PM EST
which Citizen Spook used in his article,
IT APPEARS KARL ROVE PLEAD GUILTY TO MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT BEFORE ANY CHARGES WERE BROUGHT AND WITHOUT A DEAL HAVING BEEN MADE
If Citizen Spook is right, it explains where Leopold’s anticipated indictment took a sudden left turn.
I’ve taken the time to post this stuff in the hope that someone will read it, because I should really be working on a news update and my taxes!!!
Bob in HI
newtonusr @ 376
I couldn’t agree more about this book – it is great novel and a keeper. Am just cranky about Greenfield cause he used to be so “on it” as a TV reporter and I had high hopes he would not get lazy or fearful or whatever the hell it was that made him put on the brakes and lose his verve. Most notably when the Bush/Cheney gang seized power.
‘nite pups
Alicia @
308
Friendly?? Beautiful??? Toronto?????
Signed,
A Winnipeger
newspaperbrat-
The courageous among the press are, sadly, the exception and not the rule.
I’m off to bed, too. nite
TRex >
A bit late but you might like this stuff.
Or maybe this one.
“…OS X is like a marriage between an engineer and an artist. And the Mac community will reflect that marriage….” – RA
daCascadian @ 384
Good widget:
SingThatTune – adds lyrics to currently playing track in iTunes.
iStat is cool.
newtonusr @
344
Yes– that’s an important part of the Leopold reporting saga.
So, you want a lynch mob to go out and string Leopold up? We don’t know all of the facts. Rather than rushing to judgment, I’m willing to cut him some slack, because his reporting has been so good on so many other occasions. It is still possible that he, and his sources, were right, and the conclusions that he drew were reasonable. Journalists write for the big scoop, and sometimes one gets a little ahead of the story. Like I wrote elsewhere above, there are still chickens coming in to roost.
Bob in HI
montag @
352
See my comments above on the theories of Jeralyn and Citizen Spook. You may not know as much as you think you do.
Bob in HI
montag @
368
See my comment @ 380
Bob in HI
Bob in HI
No. I want truthout to expose the source(s) that fucked them, and I think their word is tied to that. They want cred – good cred – they have to be able to stand by their reporting and reporters, or shove the bad ones out into traffic.
IANAL, so the prospets are unknown to me… But if there’s a sealed indictment with Rove’s name on it, that’d be just great.
Bob Schacht @ 387
Nice try. You didn’t answer my questions.
How did it happen?
Look. There’s two reasons for keeping an indictment sealed. First, to get Rove to testify. He didn’t testify. He wasn’t deposed. And Libby’s lawyers would have screamed bloody murder if Fitzgerald had tried to introduce his testimony anonymously.
The second reason is to keep Rove as an informant. There’s no evidence of that (keep in mind that Fitzgerald and Rove are among the most-watched people in Washington, DC, and if either had set foot near a grand jury, it would have been everywhere). Beyond that, Fitzgerald has stated for the record that the investigation is complete, his office in DC is closed and he’s back in Chicago, presumably permanently.
Let’s look at other facts. The sealed indictment to which Leopold referred is known only by a number–there’s no evidence whatsoever that the indictment in question was for Rove. None.
Next, Leopold’s creds are tenuous because he damaged them himself.
Next, Leopold has no new reporting on this subject whatsoever. If his sources are golden, he’d have more to say on the issue, but he and TruthOut have been silent on the reason for the sealed indictment, if it exists, and what Rove’s status is due to it.
Every indication is that Rove skated. That was likely because Fitzgerald couldn’t come up with enough to convince himself that he could convict. Period.
Unless you’ve got something very compelling in the way of real evidence–not conjecture–to suggest otherwise, then it’s unrealistic to hold out hope that anyone is sitting on a sealed indictment in this case.
Again, you can say, “you don’t know as much as you think you do,” but–how about evidence, rather than conjecture?
That’s what I asked for. You didn’t provide.
Happy to listen to evidence, but, at this point, conjecture is nothing more than that.
Bob Schacht @
388
Umm, sorry, can’t. You didn’t post at 380, or near there.
TRex @
153
I have a cute little widget for my Gmail account, that looks like a British stamp. Lovely little silhouette of Her Majesty on it. It’s blue when I don’t have mail, and pink when I do. How cool is that? :D
hey pups -
THe DOE/Livermore labs want to blow up 450 pounds of depleted uranium in hills west of Tracy, CA.
Hills in the area support wind turbine farms, and the prevailing winds blow east.
The plume of DU will blow over the vast open artifical river Los Angeles drinks
and over the San Joaquin Valley, where the same water grows crops that feed America.
The County Air Pollution Control District first blocked the DU explosions – then turned aroound and invited DOE/Livermore to resubmit their application.
Who got to the San Joaquin Air Pollution Control District Board?
Who would have political and diplomatic problems if a California county banned 450 pounds of the stuff…
while US bombs spread millions of pounds of DU dust across Iraq?
Who told the San Joaquin Air Pollution Control Board not to make a test case of DU?
and to just let the DU rain down though the faucets in LA?
What did the Board or District get? New funding? Compliance “waivers”?
What’s the payoff for the fallout?
kirk murphy @ 393
This makes no damned sense at all, for one reason. The army has already extensively tested DU and DU armaments at the NM Tech explosives facility east of Socorro, NM, years ago.
There’s no good reason for this at all.
couldn’t agree more, montag.
(and DOE/Livermore have dusted the area with DU from dozens of smaller outdoor explosions each for many years….does not compute.)
and why did the Board cave on what could have been a test case? who got them – or bought them?
got me back out of bed.
good night again!
Cozumel @ 322
When I used to answer phones for some sales guys, one idiot used to call up his buddy and leave a msg that “Hugh Jorgan” called…
I was seldom amused but now I think it’s funny/
montag @
393
Yes I did. It got moved to 381
Bob in HI
oh :)
…and another thing
Why do the DOE/Livermore hate California?
Bob Schacht @ 397
Try refreshing. 381 is snuffy saying “nite, pups.”
Your closest posts are 365, 386, 387, none of which provide a direct link to comments either by Jeralyn or Citizen Spook. Thus far, you’ve only provided, that I can find, links to Jason Leopold’s old reporting.
Anyone still here and awake?
montag @
392
Well, he went to the Grand Jury 5 times, and that ain’t beanbag. Just because it wasn’t in public doesn’t mean it wasn’t under oath. Evidently, he had a LOT of explaining to do.
He went to the Grand Jury 5 times, and that ain’t beanbag. Just because it wasn’t in public doesn’t mean it wasn’t under oath. Evidently, he had a LOT of explaining to do.
But I repeat myself.
This is not correct, and you know it. He said his investigation was inactive. Didn’t you read Emptywheel’s thread today? And CREW’s request that he resume investigation?
You’ve put the shoe on the wrong foot. I’m just saying that all the evidence is not in yet. You’re saying that all the evidence *is* in. I’m still hopeful, and think there is much more evidence that is likely to come in.
Yes, my hope is based on a conjecture. Its also based on a bit of humility. I don’t pretend to be as all-knowing as you pretend to be. Come back when you’ve reviewed my links to Jeralyn and Citizen Spook @ 381.
Meanwhile, I’m off to bed. Ta-ta.
Bob in HI
montag @
401
Okay, I refreshed again a couple of minutes ago and I see the references.
I’ll look, with an eye to evidence, not conjecture.
Well maybe I will try to get some more sleep.
Bob Schacht @ 403
Just did. No evidence. Just conjecture. And those articles are about eighteen months old. If there was substance to them, why nothing new in the meantime?
BTW, I don’t pretend to be all-knowing, as you snidely suggest. But, if I considered this as air-tight as you do from the sources you cite, I would have believed everything the Bushies said about the connections between Hussein and 9/11.
Evidence is evidence.
risin and shinin in Georgia
You’re back!
The tubes seem to be clogged this morning…
Hola! so glad to see you!
thank god -the site is back!!
Everyone okay? This was a test of the emergency blackout system. If this had been the real thing, you would have been arrested already.
….like locking yourself outta your own house…
Toobz have been clogged for me for 2 days, at least to FDL. Even if I’m not here I’m dragging the NYT folks out from behind the firewall, though. Today it’s Wright and MoDo:
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Hope the toobz clear — not being able to read FDL is making me nuts!
I don’t like it when I have no one to read the paper with…
pretty nice article in the LA Times on our Speaker Pelosi.
Hey, OldCoastie, you’re not alone. I’ve been catching up on TPM and the document dumpster diving. It ain’t pretty.
Good morning, pups!
Risin and rainin in SF
Looks like stormy weather on the roads to the Lake…
glad y’all have found your way here….
Peterr @ 416
a little too weedy for me – what’s exciting?
Pull up a Chair…
mornin’ — while waitin’
for the lake to reappear,
all-brigadoon-like, outta’
the mists, n-junk. . .
i uploaded an easy-view image
of the federalist society spread-
sheet monica goodling received
on february 12, 2007, for your
enjoyment — chruncy-document
goodness. . .
that is all.
ph — it is the lie that matters.
OldCoastie @ 418
Well, let’s see . . .
Steve Biskupic was a USA in Wisconsin that RoveCo was none-to-pleased with, and they placed him on the “to-be-resigned” list for not being firm enough on Karl’s pet faux-issue of voter fraud. Then — wonder of wonders — right before the election, Biskupic filed a charges against a state worker to help cast the Democrats as fraudsters, and voila, Biskupic’s no longer on the list.
The charges against that state worker were just thrown out on appeal — right from the bench once the lawyers finished presenting their arguments! The appeals court slapped him down, and hard.
Now documents turn up, printed off of Rove’s own computer, that prove Karl was deeply, deeply interested in this situation. Inquiring minds want to know more.
Has anyone bothered to take a look at Leopold’s reporting on Enron? Or the California energy crisis? It was and is groundbreaking. he served as a consultant for the Enron doc.
Why is there so much scorn for Leopold? Why?
Why do we choose to believe he wasn’t doing anything but his job? Why do people here and on DKOS continue to throw him under the bus?
I am skeptical of people like Casper who attack the messenger so viciously. It leads me to believe that maybe Casper has his own axe to grind
Jacqrat @ 14
Paging technical guru, Karl Rove!
OMG!!!111 Best snarkish post I’ve eva red!!!111
You fdl-ers keep me ahead of the MSM by months. Keep up teh gud werk :)