
Photo by Mohammed Jalil /EPA, from AP/MSNBC
Like every other day in Iraq, there were mutliple bombings and scores of Iraqis killed on Thursday, as well as additional US casualties. But two bombings were particularly important for the signals they sent about the precarious position of the Iraq government and the prospects for success in the President's escalation strategy, which Bush described as a carefully planned strategy to enhance security in Baghdad.
The first set of explosions in the early morning hours of Thursday destroyed a major bridge in Baghdad that crosses the Tigris River and connects the predominantly Sunni areas on the western side with the predominantly Shia areas on the eastern side. The second bombing incident occurred in a cafetaria used by the Iraqi Parliament, in a heavily guarded building in the heavily guarded Green Zone. Here's the NYT version of the twin stories.
Two bombs struck at the heart of Iraq's power and morale Thursday: a suicide bomb exploded in the Iraqi Parliament and a powerful truck bomb destroyed a 60-year old steel bridge beloved by Baghdadis that linked neighborhoods on opposite banks of the Tigris.
A suicide truck bomb blew up on a major bridge in Baghdad, collapsing the steel structure and sending cars tumbling into the Tigris River.
The bomb in parliament killed eight people, including at least two parliament members, and injured 23, who were eating a late lunch in the cafeteria when the bomb exploded, according to United States military officials. . . . [But see this AP update on casualties]
It was the worst bombing to take place in the International Zone since the protected area was established when American troops arrived here four years ago.
The bombing, in an area more heavily protected than anywhere else in the country, appeared designed to shake Iraqi confidence in the government and in its ability to protect itself, let alone its citizens. Since the bombing occurred within the International Zone it appeared also meant to show that even the American military cannot protect Iraqis, despite the number of troops and the effort being put into the new Baghdad security plan.
"This is a great blow to the government, which is always talking about security and how it is improving with the Americans, but it's a great violation of their security plan," said Ali al-Mayali, an injured parliament member from the bloc allied with militant Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr, as he sat outside the hospital holding gauze to his head to staunch bleeding from a shrapnel injury.
Thursday's two bombings tell us a lot about the virtual impossibility of providing security against a determined, well armed and disciplined force fighting a civil war against an unpopular regime propped up by an occupying army. And the Parliament bombing reveals much about the level of security in the Green Zone. A WSJ reporter on PBS's NewsHour explained that security inside the Green Zone was not significantly better than security outside the Green Zone, and the zone inself was turning into many smaller guarded compounds, each relying on its own security rather than the Iraqi Army/Police.
The message to the Iraq government is clear: You cannot trust your own forces to protect yourselves inside the Green Zone. The Americans can't protect you. You cannot be safe until you deal directly with the insurgents, and even that is just a hope.
The message to the US is equally clear: You do not have enough troops to secure Baghdad. You cannot rely on your Iraqi friends to protect even their own government buildings. Despite its fortification, you cannot protect the Green Zone, let alone the city's open markets or its roads or even the major bridges in and out of the captial. And if you can't secure those, you can't even guarantee that you could leave safely. (Swopa has more on that point.)
I suspect we won't hear Senators McCain or Lieberman talking about "progress" in Iraq for a few days, at least without being derided. But I doubt the Bush/Cheney regime will get the message; they seem incapable of acknowledging inconvenient facts. But they can't fix this with more troops, because they have no more troops to send. Instead, they are determined to break the US army by extending tours and draining the reserves and National Guard, while putting even more of our troops in harms way. It's up to the Congress to stop what Senator Webb called an "abuse" of the Army and to begin removing US forces from what appears to be a rapidly deteriorating position.
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Remember that flag waving welcome we were supposed to get in Iraq for liberating them? We might get it when we leave.
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I’ve said this before here, but Bush/Cheney are never going to leave Iraq because if they do, they lose power and it will be much easier to impeach them. It’s much harder to impeach the leader of our armies when they are in a war because then, who will lead the troops? I know that whoever does it will do better than Bush, but that’s besides the point.
Bush/Cheney also get to exercise their “war powers” only while they are at war. This is one of the primary reasons they went to war. They knew that the “war on terror” wasn’t going to get them very far, and they needed a real war.
Arguing the facts about how Iraq is lost, and the surge isn’t working, is like saying the sky is blue. How could the President not see it? He does, but it’s as I said above. This isn’t about the facts.
At Abu Ghareb, America lost its greatest weapon in the war in Iraq, its moral authority compared to that of overthrown tyrant Saddam Hussein.
In 2004, Iraq civil society and its ability to govern itself was destroyed by Paul Bremer, when he disbanded the sole national institution, the Iraqi army, and purged competent managers from all institutions for having been members of the Baath party (a job requirement under Saddam).
In 2006, Bush rejected the Iraq Study Group suggestions to work to political solutions.
The failures in Iraq are not failures of American troops. They are failures of the Bush Administration, starting from Bush’s own decisions.
I would like the Democrats to re-frame the discussion away from “victory” or “defeat,” because I do not think anyone can articulate what “victory” in Iraq would look like.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
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There is no pony. There never was. It’s time to stop looking for it.
Just on the topic of the subpeonas… Shouldn’t someone get over to the RNC headquarters, or even the DOJ, and physically grab those servers before they can be tampered with anymore? Isn’t that what would happen if the DOJ was actually doing its job?
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It’s much harder to impeach the leader of our armies when they are in a war because then, who will lead the troops?
Hey – I’ve got an idea. How about a “War Czar”?
(yeah I know it sounds stupid)
Yeah, loading is slow this morning. Someone’s e-bombing FDL.
Scarecrow:
Did you see this??
U.S. military reduces death count in Iraq parliament blast to 1
BAGHDAD (CNN) — The U.S. military has changed the casualty count from Thursday’s bombing attack at a cafeteria in Iraq’s parliament to one.
“Yesterday’s reports were based on initial reports from the scene.During evacuation operations, emergency responders and eyewitnesses reported that casualties were being evacuated in multiple directions.”
The military said the one dead was Iraqi lawmaker, Mohammed Awadh.
Earlier there had been reports that at least seven people died, including Awadh.
Twenty-two civilians were wounded. (Posted 7:42 a.m.)
The bridge bombing shows just how difficult it will be to withdraw our people. We cannot fly them all out. We have to move somewhere like Kuwait with our equipment so it can be shipped back, and presumably we will bring a lot of troops back on ships as well.
So, if the insurgents resist our leaving, it will be another disaster, with pictures of crashing helicopters and destroyed humvees and body bags. It will provide the same images for leaving Iraq that we have for leaving Viet Nam, one final parallel.
I just got to the Lake, and saw Scarecrow’s post at 5:15 AM Pacific had only 28 comments! Now I see why.
The honest to god truth is that most Americans could care less about the 650,ooo Iraqi people that are dead, the unreported injuries, the 2 million displaced. While there are some who are concerned, the majority are not, and this is difficult to accept and stomach.
Come on the MSM and blogs spend more time on horrendous comments made by Imus than how many Iraqi people have suffered, died and been displaced due to the illegal invasio of Iraq and “creative destruction” agenda in the middle east and the “noble lies” of the Bush administration.
How many Americans have changed their driving habits as a result of the invasion of Iraq for oil and Israel?
Face it most Americans have their pedals to the metal, and heads in the clouds.
Is it any wonder why people around the world hate and fear us? Judeo/Christian values at work
Pawlenty hitched his wagon to a flaming out star. Pawlenty was on the campaign trip when McCain couldn’t find the script with his position on condoms protecting against disease. I’ll bet Tim is kicking himself repeatedly for attaching him self to McCain. Then again, Tim is the bright bulb who made a trip to the Middle East & was photographed wearing a “Spam” tshirt (Spam, the pork product produced in MN).
It couldn’t happen to a more deserving vp wannabe. lol
The dog ate my comment!
Re Imus:
MSNBC stopped his simulcast two days ago, and CBS fired his ass yesterday. But Imus is still on air–at MSNBC in the guise of his buddy David Gregory. Yesterday and today, MSNBC has used Gregory to anchor a news program to fill in for the hours for Imus in the Morning. This news program is ostensibly about how we talk about race and gender in America.
But the “news” program is very much about the merits and demerits of the wit and wisdom of the man himself–and also about the schizoid identities of his program as shock jock on the one hand, and serious political discourse on the other.
barbara @ 22
lol
okay, I guess I’m back – so many homeless firedogs flailing about in left blogistan – I’m sure they’ll find their way back in a minute or two
Scarecrow – an on point post. I would like to ask about the significance of the bridge as target – it usually means something
FDL and Crooks&Liars both difficult to load so far today. Using Safari on beloved iBook. :})
Oh you are here – good. I was getting worried and starting withdrawal. Took over an hour using all the backdoors I could find.
Folks — apologies for the server problems — it’s affecting all blogs on this system, including C&L. Our tech folks are working hard to fix it, so we appreciate your patience.
It’s possible some comments were “lost,” as Karl Rove would say, but none of you will be subpoened.
it does indeed seem as if the president wants to break our armed forces
it looks like he is trying to leave us open to attack, and therefore, without our armed forces, forced to use our nuclear arsenal
these men are mad, there is no sacrifice too great
they are actually destroyng our military with deliberate zeal
now the men and women in our armed forces are near mutiny, told their tour is extended almost 50 percent longer
what KIND of morons are conductiNG our armed forces
WHY THE HELL IS CONGRESS LETTING THESE MORONS BREAK OUR MILITARY
kdh22 @
11
Did the military media minder say “hocus-pocus” before doing that little trick?
-GSD
cbl @ 11
let’s blame Rove
Scarecrow @ 22
NOW i’m disappointed!
i want my OWN subpoena. really.
i do. smiles.
Will my comment that disappeared come back or should I try again
GSD @ 24
Thanks for the heads up; I saw the story just after I posted, and finally managed to put the update and link into the main post.
Morning gang — sorry for the server hiccups this morning. We have folks working on it and we shouldbe good to go shortly. Thanks for your patience.
The toobz are taking the day off in honor of Ted Stevens surpassing Strom Thurmond as the longest serving Republican codger in the senate.
-GSD
Instead of extending a tour, couldn’t someone from the Bush family replace someone serving now? It is tragic that the Preznit is allowed by the MSM to strut and preen like a tough-guy hero while his family self-sedates living off their huge trust funds.
things come undone @ 27
I have no idea. I assume it’s somewhere on an RNC server.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
Fred Fielding says take your own sweet time.
-GSD
ya know, haven’t seen Murtha for days – this is usually where he steps up
mad props to Techies !
EPU’d by the black hole:
“…determined to break the U.S. Army.”
I understand the “break”/broken part. But I don’t understand the “determined to” part. Please help Barbara the Challenged to get this.
barbara @ 35
What exactly are you asking?
-GSD
Check out what General Zinni recently had to say about Iraq on April 11 MSNBC. He politely rips the Bush administration a new—hole.
This is well worth the watch. go to Hardball videos for April 11. Zinni
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
OT:
I was in Germany in 2002 during the elections. All my formerly a-political friends and everyone I knew who had abstained from politics for years made sure they voted – for Chancellor Schroeder that is, because him and his party were against the Iraq War.
Schroeder won. A few weeks later, Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr. Richard Perle called for him to step down (Picture this) – in the NYT, for example. They were of the opinion that he should step down because he ran on an anti-Iraq platform.
There was not one single comment in the media about this meddling in another country’s democratic process. Made even more absurd as they felt called to import ‘democracy’ in Iraq, while showing that they had little respect for what it actually is.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
Woo! I thought I was going to miss a morning coffee chat. What an empty feeling I had.
cbl @
34
yeah, all the stories about the extended tours, the shorted rest/retraining, the National Guard and Reserves abuse — this is exactly what Murtha has been warning.
I keep wondering what the loyalist Republicans must be saying privately — they can see their party going down the drain, and still they cling to Bush. Mindless.
GSD @ 36
Convoluted. Sorry.
Why are they “determined to break the U.S. army”? Makes no sense to me, but then very little of Bushiness does.
GSD @ 36
There’s a concept in law that says if you do x knowing it will cause y, then the law will impute a motive that you intend y. You’re not allowed to say, “that wasn’t my intent; I did it for other reasons.” That’s the sense in which I meant “determined.”
Comments were lost. The server was down. Hiccups are being worked on. I blame Rove. No, I blame Clinton.
I blame Barney.
. . .It’s possible some comments
were “lost,” as Karl Rove would say,
but none of you will be subpoened. . .
my grand-mama sez. . .
“a subpoena is like a high-
colonic — it really gets
things a-movin’, no?. . .”
i’ll also re-post my shiny
new mash-up youtube video
of sen. leahy — making
stately-remarks — with some tart
comments about gonzo, and rove,
and some music, to boot — all
in under 2:30 running-time. . .
this is an administration that cannot
keep track of its e-mails, and we expect
it to minimize casualties, a world away,
in a war it started, but fundamentally
doesn’t even understand?
i think not.
Ya know, I was wondering about Murtha last night as well. Where is he?
Yay, you’re back! Coffee only does so much for me in the morning. I definitely need my FDL, too.
Laura Rozen on Kurdistan, Mossad involvement, Bremer, oil and access,
http://www.informationclearing…..e17524.htm
Oil, Iraq, pipelines
http://www.janes.com/regional_….._1_n.shtml
Oil, Iraq, pipelines
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq…..50,00.html
But…but…but…Charles Krauthammer says we’re making progress!
“I have told our administration, people in my administration, to be fully cooperative. I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any IMPLICATING E-MAILS inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true.”
George Snarky, circa CIA Leaky
Scarecrow @ 42
Bearing in mind that algebra nearly killed me, I still don’t understand why “y” would be a desirable outcome. It seems inevitable. So what game is afoot here?
Barbara,
There are many who believe that what is perceived as incompetence is actually all part of the “starve the beast” theory of the far right.
Ruin the government so that private industry can buy off the remains.
I for one am not so sure about that, but I also keep saying to myself, if someone planned to destroy America, they could not have implemented a better course of action than that of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
-GSD
NPR’s Anne Garrels gave a talk at a women’s college, and spoke at length about living in the Red Zone, visiting the Green Zone, and life in general in Baghdad. Steve Clemons has a great, great write-up of it — well worth checking out.
kathleen — There’s a NYT story this a.m. about the Turkish military threatening to invade northern Iraq to go against Kurdish rebels striking Turkey. This is an unfolding nightmare for all.
lighten up, ol Barney’s got his own problems
Meanwhile, Fred Fielding makes his move. From the NYTimes today:
Scarecrow @ 54
I’ve been watching this, but media info is insufficient to know what is going on. Have their been recent incursions of Kurds into Turkey? If so, I haven’t read about them? If not, why are the Turks saber rattling?
When I saw the guy on the NewsHour yesterday describing the Green Zone and how each house in it is its own individual gated dwelling, I thought, “typical American Way, separate but equal, divide and conquer, good/bad, black/white.” Melting Pot? Melted like hot shards of metal through vulnerable skin. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Oh whew, finally I can get to FDL. Hmmm, maybe it was a Friday the 13th thing?
GSD @ 52
FWIW I’m one of “many”
barbara @ 51
That’s not the point. I’m not claiming that the regime consciously wants/desires the military to break or that they think that’s a desirable outcome. But if they know that’s what is happening, and they continue to cause it, they can be held responsible for that.
You can’t drive down the sidewalk, and knowingly run over people, and say, “I only meant to knock down parking meters.”
cbl — Thanks for the note over at windcatpond. Kept me from going nuts (”Is it just me or the toobz?”).
Also, the picture is great!
[Note to newcomers: “windcatpond” is a little emergency site over at blogger. The little sign there explains its purpose quite well: “WELCOME! Whether a high functioning or newly addicted FDL’er, this space has been provided for comments - ONLY in the event of a traffic induced shut down at Firedoglake”]
Biodun @ 56
tpmmuckraker’s must read today deconstructs Fielding’s offer. Short version: Fielding told Ds to shut up & stay put.
Any word on when DocuDump #4 is going to hit?
Thank you FDLer’s.
What is so disturbing is that most Americans could care less about how many Iraqi people have been killed (650,ooo and counting), injured (who knows), 2 million displaced all as a direct result of our illegal invasion.
Every American should force themselves to look at these pictures of dead and injured Iraqi people every day. This is all a direct result of our invasion.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/ira…..ar2003.htm
Have we witnessed Americans change their driving habits since the illegal invasion? No! Most Americans have their pedals, to the metal and heads in the clouds.
We do not need to wonder why so many people around the globe fear us.
There is a shift but is it enough? Let’s keep pushing, and driving less.
LoudounLib @ 59
I blame Freddy Krueger.
GSD ~
Cognitive dissonance here. I understand what you’re saying (or so I believe). But given that the whole public schtick of this administration since 9/11 has been to generate and perpetuate intense, irrational fear to persuade the peasants that military might is what stands between us and terrorist attacks in the good old U.S. of A., it seems that destroying the military undercuts that sell.
Frank Probst @ 68
How can a peasant help?
Biodun @ 56
That’s really important. Dana Perino obscured this in yesterday’s WH presser, creating the impression that as soon as their own experts retrieved the “lost” e-mails, they’d turn them over — but what she meant was, “we’ll turn them over only if the Dems accept the limits Fielding offered on access to Rove, closed meetings, no transcripts, etc.” The reporters did not pick up on this subtlety, so it’s good to see the Times did. They’re still covering up.
my first uninformed thought last night was somehow this is connected to Cheney and Iran – did he throw the Kurds over to get his Iran on ???
trust me, I know how ignorant that sounds, but after 4 years of Turkish ‘patience’ to suddenly . . .
Scarecrow @ 61
*Lightbulb goes on* Ah! I’m there. Now that wasn’t so hard, was it?! ^_^
cbl @
55
I was gonna ask which Barney until I checked the picture. Although given the reports yesterday about TRex being kin to chickens, the purple Barney might be in trouble as well…
mulligatawny @ 38
That almost seems nothing compared with Taiw*n’s presidential reelection. It is said that Chimpy came back from a meeting in the Mainland, and not only told the prez of T- to tone down his rhetoric, but also stop the election (since it was bothering the Mainland). Chimpy was ignored, but obvious this was an outrage to T-. Reportedly after the prez was reelcted he got a congratulation note from the chimp, stating something like: Congratulations. send troops to Iraq.
Every time I have trouble getting to this site (or any liberal website) I begin to get paranoid. Sites like this are a huge threat to BushCo. And, since we know that these guys are completelyruthless and amoral, I’m sure that they have plans to shut us down. Through net fees, viruses, legalities….I don’t know how they plan to do it but I get very nervous when I can’t reach this site. Or is my tinfoil hat on too tight?
Frank Probst @ 64
my hunch — and it is only a hunch,
is to look for it after 4:30 p.m., e.d.t.
this evening — just like ‘em to be
slightly late, and way short. . .
five million e-mails short.
Morning all. I posed a question here last night, and after spocko inspired me to start mailing it around, I decided to post in on Kos. Would appreciate a recommend.
It appears Bush has already tried to take us to war with Iran.
eCAHNomics @
57
There are Kurdish separatists living in Turkey, and Iraq, and Syria and Iran and they have been involved in attacks that have resulted in the deaths of around 30,000 since sometime in the 80’s.
There were recently some Turkish military that were killed.
Turkey has claimed that the US has helped to harbor these “terrorists” in Iraq.
But we like them so we call them “freedom fighters”.
-GSD
(Snip)
Buyukanit also said Turkey’s military had received intelligence that Kurdish guerrillas would step up their activities in Turkey from May.
He said 10 members of the armed forces had been killed in clashes with PKK fighters in recent days during a military offensive in southeast Turkey, with 29 PKK members killed during the same period.
More than 30,000 people have been killed since the PKK launched its armed struggle to win greater civil rights and regional autonomy for Turkey’s Kurdish minority in 1984.
Turks and Kurds-from Al Jazeera.
eCAHNomics @ 57:
Your answer is in bold below. From the NYTimes:
Scarecrow @ 54
Turkey and its Kurds who are sometimes behaving rebelliously have been in conflict for decades. Kind of nothing new.
solai – you are not alone in your paranoia – I was worried all my citing NSA yesterday brought down the wrath of Cray :)
barbara @ 67
One would think, but to quote Barbara Bush, it’s working out quite well for them.
-GSD
Where’s that new War Czar when Bush needs one?
solai @ 74
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
eCAHNomics @ 57
Is there any crediblity about Feith and Perles conflict of interest issues in Turkey?
http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.c…..-marc.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/stanton11192005.html
GSD & Scarecrow:
Finally have it. Uffdah. I learn slowly, but I learn well! Thanks.
eCAHNomics @ 63
They’re going to get in trouble on this one. The e-mails that Fielding is trying to shield are at the RNC, not the White House. There’s no way they’re covered by priviledge. Furthermore, the fact that Fielding is arguing that they ARE covered by priviledge suggests that the e-mails pertain to official White House business, because that’s the only way priviledge could attach in the first place. The problem with that is that it’s illegal to do official White House business on the RNC’s servers. He’s in a big Catch-22 here, and the Dem’s are going to be able to do an end-run around him and simply subpoena the RNC directly. It’s absurd that the RNC is turning the e-mails over to the White House to begin with. They should be going straight to Congress.
The Iraqi’s are telegraphing their moves by attacking us inside the Green Zone and by blowing up the bridge. They are telling us we can attack you inside and outside the Green Zone. They are telling us we can cut off your supply lines. Given the Iraqi’s abilty to shoot our helicopters resupply from the air would be costly in men, lost supplies and helicopters. Resupply from the ground is more doable but it would force us to fight building by building in the twisting streets of Bagdad. The Iraqi’s are saying we can force you to fight on a battlefield of our choosing. We can force you to protect the remaining eight bridges that link Bagdad or risk getting cut off completely from one direction. While we lob shells at the Green Zone and shoot down helicopters safe on our side of the river. Airstrikes and Artillery would be your only recourse but they tend to cause lots of civilian causalites. With every civilian death the enemy gets stronger as surviving relatives scream revenge. We can force you to bring Bagdad to a traffic standstill as you search every vehicle going over the last eight bridges. We can win this fight but it would be costly in men. We have to protect the bridges especialy if bush attacks Iran.
Scarecrow @ 54
I wonder if this would even be a nightmare for the neocons who want to spread chaos around the region. The success of the Kurds seems to be universally touted by them.
Frank Probst @ 86
We have become old Communist Russia, the state is now the Party!
Looks like Ronald Reagan finally lost this one and it took the son of his Vice President to internalize and then implement the old Soviet strategy of taking over America from within.
-GSD
No one answered me the first time, but the server was being wacky…
Shouldn’t someone (who?) go down to the RNC, or even the DOJ, and phsycally take the servers before they can be tampered with? Isn’t that how it would work if it were, say, business fraud?
I’ve been watching this, but media info is insufficient to know what is going on. Have their been recent incursions of Kurds into Turkey? If so, I haven’t read about them? If not, why are the Turks saber rattling?
I wrote, very early on, that partitioning Iraq into 3 distinct entities was very possibly a desireable way of helping to ease the sectarian strife. Someone then corrected me, in that it is assumed/expected that an independent Kurdish state would be almost immediately attacked by Turkey.
Not entirely sure as to the why.
would still like to see someone respond to my question about the possible significance of that bridge as target
Sounds like Little Bighorn redux to me.
(A WSJ reporter on PBS NewsHour? Pah! It is an insult to me!)
barbara @
71
*Lightbulb goes on* Ah! I’m there. Now that wasn’t so hard, was it?! ^_^
Algebra II starts Monday a.m. ;-)
cbl @ 92
Read “things undone” comments.
-GSD
If, if it is what it is.
jayt @ 91
Turkey has a sizable Kurdish population just across the border from Iraq. They don’t want them to get any ideas from the Iraqi side of the border about independence or secession.
I have insider knowledge that Barney, our covert operative, has been compromised. After rendition, he ate the friggin’ emails. We gotta get him outta there!
mulligatawny @ 79
Uh huh. Have you seen the Turkish film “Yol”? It’s about prisoners on family leave during the military gov. One of them is a Kurd.
Meanwhile, I’m sure FDLers (*g*) have been closely following Wolfowitz’s problems at the World Bank:
mui @ 98
“Yol” is a fantastic (and incredibly depressing) film. I have a copy on VHS.
Scarecrow @ 94
Don’t see it alone!!!
Larry Johnson’s take on the significance of the Baghdad bridge bombing:
U.S. Policy in the Drink
cbl @ 92
I don’t know anything about this particular bridge’s strategic importance. The reports suggest it’s presence was a matter of Iraqi pride. I assume the significance is that the bombing illustrates the vulnerability of all the major bridges, with the implication that key areas of the city could be cut off, isolated. No matter what, it’s not a good sign.
things come undone @87
It reminds me of an article I read somewhere (long ago) entitled “Are We Going to Have To Fight Our Way Out?”
The ancient and noble city of Baghdad is ruined and all its people have been handed to the furies.
How will we ever be forgiven for what we’ve unleashed.
Turkish film Yol. Never shown in Turkey as far as I know.
thanks Peterr
cbl @ 92
Any time a major transportation infrastructure is damaged or removed it creates a logistics nightmare.
Troop movements, supplies, civilian transport etc.
cbl @ 92
The bridge is significant because bridges are a real pain to rebuild. Only Halliburton has the skill and knowhow to do something like that.
kdh22 @ 97
Barney was not covert. There is no underlying crime. — Victoria’s Secret
thanks GSD, Busted & Scarecrow!
Glorfindel @ 105
Abraham wept.
mui @ 73
The “this almost seems nothing” devalues my argument, and I wonder if it was necessary.
The Americans have never fully dealt with the horrendous policy of slavery and Jim Crow laws.
The Japanese have never fully dealt with their WWII atrocities.
The Turks have never fully dealt with their Armenian genocide.
Reactionary folks don’t like to examine their ugly pasts, but it can be very helpful.
Ask the South Africans.
-GSD
I remember the day I left for Vietnam in the summer of 68 right after the convention. We looked at each other and said, “what the fuck is this”? Now a kid that I babysat for 21 years ago is shipping out to Ramadi today. College degree, bright as he can be and he signs up for 3 years as a grunt. I struggle talking to my friends, his dad was a very strong anti-war activist when we met in 1969 (no, he didn’t spit on me). He has to know what a clusterfuck this deal is but we don’t really talk about it. Shit, for what?
GeorgeSimian @ 109
And they are hatting up!
Glorfindel @ 105
How will future generations of Americans be able to forgive us for allowing these years of Republican control?
mulligatawny @ 113
Oh c’mon. I wasn’t trying to devalue your argument. My point is Germany is a sovereign country in a position to not take Chimpy seriously. T- on the other hand, is in a very different position and not recognized even though it has turned into a feisty democracy.
The noose tightens.
Rove’s no. 2 to face likely subpoena threat next week
Michael Roston
Published: Friday April 13, 2007
The Senate Judiciary Committee announced yesterday that it will likely authorize subpoenas for Karl Rove’s top deputy in the White House. The message came as the committee authorized subpoenas for other Justice Department and White House officials, and suggests that interest has grown among investigators in Taylor’s role in the firing of 8 U.S. Attorneys by the Bush administration.
snip
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0413.html
cbl @ 92
check out my comment at #87 I think I described every worst case scenerio regarding the importance of the bridge that my paranoid mind could think of.
Scarecrow @ 110
Listen Goldwater Gal – I KNOW the law that you, and you alone, wrote. I KNOW Barney’s primary domicile. I KNOW his international travel itenirary for the last five years. And, I can say with certainty that he, indeed, is covert. See, I KNOW MORE THAN YOOOOUUU!
Actually, Scarecrow:
No.
How’s Jane?
Bustednuckles @ 119
Next naive question: Who is paying Rove and Roston? And how much?
mulligatawny — thanks for relating that story. I hadn’t heard that. And our pal Wolfowitz got booed by his own employees yesterday, trying to apologize for his cronyism.
Bustednuckles @ 108
Anyone in the SF Bay area can tell you about what happens when a major bridge is unavailable — and that’s without snipers, bombs, and mortars. The California Department of Transportation just announced that over the labor day weekend 2007, they’re going to shut the SF Bay Bridge down completely for upgrades and repairs. Folks are happy about the fixes, but not pleased at what will happen over that weekend as a result. The fact that CalTrans gave 5 months notice tells you something about how serious a closed/destroyed bridge can be in a major metropolitan area.
Biodun @ 56
I guess they don’t understand the part where “subpoena” means “time to cough it up” rather than “time to make a lameass counter-offer.”
GeorgeSimian @ 109
Technically, it would be Bechtel’s exclusive area of expertise, they winning all those types of contracts, the olde fashioned way (by kickbacks and/or friends in high — or low, depending on your perspective — places).
Maybe Wolfie and Imus can spend some time together down at the ranch figuring out new careers!
This is worth repeating again and again and again: no matter how bad the news, Bush/Cheney will not wind down Iraq. Their single goal is to hang on until they can pass the quagmire to the next administration, whether it be Democratic or Republican.
Another great side tragedy is that some generals are willing to play along with the Bush/Cheney game because they see it as a chance of glorifying their own reputations. Not mentioning any names, but patriotism has little to do with it, since a true patriot would have recognized by now that the Bush misadventure in Iraq is not in the true interest of the country. It is a war being fought to justify the collective megalomania of Bush and Cheney.
Clusterfuck will be out of work soon too- so maybe he’d like to be a part of the Imus/Wolfie discussions- course he may need a rest- he’s been doin so much “hard work”.
Biodun @ 122
rwcole @ 129
Can you imagine Wolfie clearing brush (I mean, comb!)?
RevDeb @
6
Thank you RevDeb. Thank you Scarecrow and everyone else.
You said it, clear as a bell. So many have tried. It is incomprehensible to me that people could be as [insert your own - i’m not at a loss for words, just for printable ones] as this administration.
I hope the world somehow gets out of this downward spiral. It would make me, as an American, horribly ashamed but for the wonderful people like you folks here at the Lake.
As for the administration? They are human. They can see and hear. They can act and speak. Why and HOW can they not feel the pain they cause? How dare they not acknowledge it, AND accept personal responsibility?!
Then. Then there are the smug professional newsfolk – David Gregory comes to mind this week. How DARE THEY not cover the “real news”?! Heckofajob folks!
Keep goin’, Dawgs, one foot in front of the other. And deep thanks.
This is problaby the first time an FDL thread posted at 5:15 AM Pacific has lasted this long. Thanks servers!
Her ladyship of the Lake has a new thread.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..s/#respond
o/t
only b/c I’m about to head out and I’m confused -
does this RNC still have some Rove e mails or are they saying he managed to get around all their firewalls and delete them anyway ???
Republicants love to yammer on about Black Hawk Down wherein Clinton disengaged American troops from Somalia. Some were killed and injured [They had been dispatched under-equipped and ill-prepared by Bush I (wouldn’t logic dictate that he was at least partially responsible?)]
The redeployment of troops from Iraq will make Black Hawk Down look like a Dick Cheney Bird Hunt.
The Republics intend to postpone such an event and tar the Democrats with it.
Sorry for linking those two independent comments. My mistake. I’m sorry. No, I mean it. I’m really, really, really sorry! I promise not to do it again. Just a oversight on my part. No, seriously, I apologize. I really, really apologize.
O.K. am I absolved now?
alank @ 128
We don’t need Bechtel — during the Depression, the country built thousands of bridges all over the country, and thousands of other civic improvements that still stand — libraries, city halls, roads, trails and lodges in national parks — and they did this when the country was flat on its back and broke. But we had decent/ethical leaders then, who thought it was important to build something for the future, rather than ripping off the present and future generations. And I’m sure the Iraqis could do the same thing once we’re gone.
Peterr @ 126
Yes, I was in San Francisco in 1989 after the Loma Prieta quake when a portion of the Bay Bridge collapsed and a double-decker freeway in Oakland pancaked onto the road below. It took years for the Bay Area to recover-again, with no snipers, bombs, or mortars.
Christy -
Hope you, Jane or another of the headliners might find this of interest for a future post:
e&p’s Greg Mitchell has a article titled “Putting a Price on Dead Iraqi Civilians”
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp…..1003571125
Guaranteed to rise your blood pressure above the safe range :-(
P. S. to Scarecrow -
Wanted to post this earlier ’til the Lake dried up. Has ties to what your and others have been saying. Heading off to lunch w/my best Dem buddy. Will catch up later.
Scarecrow @ 139
HELL YEAH WE DID!
cbl @ 136
You don’t sound confused at all to me….
The RNC spokespersonages sound a bit more hopeful they they perhaps ought, however….
kdh22 @ 138
-uh- link? ;->
been posted already ??
Subpeonapalooza !
raw story
Biodun @ 134
I thrive in chaos.
But the truth is, Christy couldn’t get in to do her post.
Christy has a new post up now.
Biodun @ 122
It certainly won’t be safe for Gen. Custer and his ilk as long as they remain in Iraq. After they’ve gone, I expect things in Iraq will improve rapidly. And I mean really gone, not just a reductions in the increases in the surges. Bases, compounds, oilmen, and all the rest all out. Completely! Stat!
Biodun @ 122
well, yes
if we leave them to their own evolution
Barbara, my comment can only be speculation – I’m blessedly free of clinical contact with the Bush clan.
Shrub’s “hyper-independence” and insistence on even walking first came from somewhere. So did Shrub’s lifelong need to dominate with verbal and physical violence. So did the rage which led him to kill and torture animals.
And Shrub developed the anger and violence as a very young boy.
One doesn’t have to be a shrink to wonder if Shrub’s early family life brought the severe damaged required to cause the life-long deformations I describe above.
Since taking ofice, Shrub has:
(1) Destroyed the “Atlantic alliance” – the soft-power structure (based on violent hard power) his father served for a lifetime.
(2) Severely damaged the CIA – the office his father once headed.
(3) Severely damaged the Presidency – ditto.
(4) Condemned thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of Americans to death and terrible injuries in the
surgeescalation. Shrub chose the escalation because that was the oppostie of the plan recommded by his daddy’s friend – James Baker.As stated, I’ve no direct knowledge of Shrub’s inner emotional life. (With his history of drug and alcohol dependence, he may not either – but that’s for another time…)
We can observe Shrub’s pattern as Chief Executive of making decisos that damage or destroy the institutions dear to his dad and the power hungry Babs.
BushI was a WWII pilot. Now Shrub is destroying the US military.
I guess I do see the Iraq escalation as Shrub’s unconscious choice to destroy another institution dear to his pappy.
But I can’t prove the hypothesis. Those with the direct knowledge to prove it – if any – will be ethically proscribed…but I doubt Shrub could ever have sat still long enough for therapy, much less psychoanalysis.
Fortunately, ascertaining the Chief Executive’s intra-psychic life is not a prerequisite for Articles of Impeachment.
barbara @
51
(*and war criminal – he strafed the equivalent of lifeboats. knowingly. deliberately. gleefully).
completely OT – last hour of the daily sam seder radio show… ends (i think) at noon edt. when it comes to ending the iraq occupation, sam has done his part. at least he will be back in a few weeks for a sunday show.
from bill scher’s tribute:
Scarecrow @ 139
Oh, absolutely! No argument from me about that.
Christy has a new thread up and running.
Thanks everyone for your patience this a.m. The server seems to be feeling better now.
Fresh thread, gang.
1. I know no one reads anything nowadays.
2. I expect the Bush administration probably, by and large, cannot read for they would show up the Beloved Leader.
3. I know no one believes the precept “The further back you look into history, the further forward you can look to the future, whicgh is why the US is travelling down Rome’s road a lot more quickly than Rome got there, BUT, I should have thought there would be at least a few intelligent career folk working in State and DoD who might have rewad up about Iraq, not least Sir Arnold Wilson in the 20s who, having been the governor said that the three groups should be split into three different countries. It is not amazing, of course, that Nero I, Cheney, and Nero II, Bush, thought differently.
This is prob EPUd but there you go!
The first set of explosions in the early morning hours of Thursday destroyed a major bridge in Baghdad that crosses the Tigris River and connects the predominantly Sunni areas on the western side with the predominantly Shia areas on the eastern side.
Alas, the symbolic value of a ‘bridge’ connecting Sunni and Shia neighborhoods as reported was in error.
From Juan Cole today:
Al-Hayat also points out that the Sarrafiya Bridge, which was destroyed by a truck bombing on Thursday, had been a symbol of the cosmopolitan character of the capital. It was built by the British in the time of the monarchy (which ended in revolution in 1958). [Update: Al-Hayat was wrong in placing the bridge between Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods; I regret transmitting the error.]
Here is a tiny bit of good news from Iraq.
A friend of mine got married in Mosul on Tuesday.
Let’s all wish Eddie and his bride a long and happy life together.
From doc dump (set 3):
From: Goodling, Monica
Sent: Monday, February 12,2007 1 :46 PM
To: Nowacki, John (USAEO)
Attachments:
USA data (GWB).xls
JSA data (GWB).xls
(44
selise @ 150
I love Sam Seder. This is Air America’s loss. He should be broadcast 24/7.
The Green Zone is a reminder of Vietnam to me, becoming ever more vunerable, and I think we should get out ASAP. start doing the logistics to get us out, at the same time a massive effort of diplomacy and then more diplomacy-nothing will change with our continued presence.
Mui@148-I love Sam Seder. This is Air America’s loss. He should be broadcast 24/7.
I was cracking up yesterday listening to the wisdom of Katherine Harris
RE: Alank at 92
(A WSJ reporter on PBS NewsHour? Pah! It is an insult to me!)
__________
Might be an insult to you, but I found his comments to be a powerful statement of the ultimate futility of the American policies and actions in Baghdad and Iraq generally.
alank at 93, not 92. sorry.