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Uh. Mah. Gawd. It seems that I owe some lovely person at the RNC a thank you note:
Mr. Kelner's briefing raised particular concems about Karl Rove, who according to press reports used his RNC accountfor 95%o of his communications. According to Mr. Kelner, although the hold started in August 2004, the RNC does not have any e-mails prior to 2005 for Mr. Rove. Mr. Kelner did not give any explanation for the e-mails missing from Mr. Rove's account, but he did acknowledge that one possible explanation is that Mr. Rove personally deleted his e-mails from the RNC server.
Mr. Kelner also explained that starting in 2005, the RNC began to treat Mr. Rove's emails in a special fashion. At some point in 2005, the RNC commenced an automatic archive policy for Mr. Rove, but not for any other White House officials. According to Mr. Kelner, this archive policy removed Mr. Rove's ability to personally delete his e-mails from the RNC server. Mr. Kelner did not provide many details about why this special policy was adopted for Mr. Rove. But he did indicate that one factor was the presence of investigative or discovery requests or other legal concerns. It was unclear from Mr. Kelner's briefing whether the special archiving policy for Mr. Rove was consistently in effect after 2005. (emphasis mine)
Oh, frabtacular day. And may I just say for the record that if Mr. Rove knew that his e-mails were to be preserved due to a pending criminal investigation and deleted them anyway in an effort to keep them from being viewed in discovery under a valid request from, say, a certain tall special prosecutor whose name might be Fitzgerald…well, that could be construed in a whole lot of places as obstruction of justice.
Oh, and did I mention that there are reports that Monica Goodling is cutting an immunity deal with one or both Judiciary Committees to spill all?
You just can't find loyal minions willing to break the law and take the fall for you like you used to, can you, Karl? How does that make Scooter feel, I wonder?
(H/T to twolf1 for the link to First Read.)
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ESTEN!
Just a reminder, big doc dump tomorrow from doj. dumpster diving wiki already set up at TPM.
And jane, can you tell us if there is ANY way we can get congress to nominate Pat Fitzgerald to replace Abu Gonz once Abu is Gone-z? I mean, is he the reincarnation of Elliot Ness or what?
Proud to say I’ve never been a minion, to anybody.
These Goptards will do what rats always do: Desert the sinking ship, and swim to the next boat they can infest.
Maybe we can have some nets out there to keep them, er, underwater.
Oh boy!
Oh, frabjus! I guess the RNC doesn’t want legal trouble.
I wonder if this will be enough to make Fitz act.
Have to admit I’m not that hopeful.
it goes ‘frabjous day, calloo, callay”
“removed Mr. Rove’s ability to personally delete his e-mails from the RNC server.”
Fitz!!! Sounds like a bus, looks like a bus, might be a bus.
George, George, George of the Jungle – watch out for that Treeee!!!
Bionic at 5 — You mean, beyond exposing the criminal cabal in the first place and convicting Libby? Because gosh, he’s just been sitting around twiddling his thumbs otherwise.
O.o
The full post on the retention by the RNC specifically hints at the fact that Fitz had Karlosivitch Rovski in his sights and WANTED those emails, and since Fitz has NOT CLOSED his case, they are still being retained….
And, btw, I have an e-mail in to Fitz’s spokesperson to see if he has any comment on this. Will let you guys know if I get anything beyond a “no comment” back. *g*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 10
you go girl!
OT, I don’t know, you decide:
OMG too good to be true !
Woodhall Hollow @ 198
Looks like Wolfowitz is toast!
It’s tough being a even a former Bushie these days.
Kathleen
Come on this guy led the charge into Iraq with a pack full of lies. In Ron Suskinds book “The Price of Loyalty” former Secretary of the Treasury said that Wolfowitz and Cheney were the two biggest war pushers.
Wolfowitz is up to his neck in Iraqi blood and “noble lies”
Wolfowitz ,Perle and Ledeen have all been the subjects of F.B.I inquiries
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-
More Wolfowitz hanky panky
bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/30/6069
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/27/fbi.spy/
http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold02272004.htm
http://www.ericmargolis.com/ar…..he_dot.php
Way to soon to immunize Goodling. Fry ‘er first, then discuss the possibilty of immunity. Time is on our side. Drag it out.
Oh frabjous day, caloo calay!
Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to Deceive.
Can it be that we will be having a perpetual Fitzmas celebration? If not perpetual, at least until all the cockroaches currently inhabiting the administration are squished.
Can it really be?
Sam Seder on KO
if you have not seen Lawmakers on Imus on Hardball April 12
Another must is General Zinni kicking the Bush administrations ass one more time ever so politely on Hardball April 11. Zinni warned againt this quagmire in Iraq over and over
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
raven @ 19
He should replace Imus.
Sam Seder on Keith right now commenting on the shiny object that I am SO tired of hearing about.
Maybe MSNBC can hire him for the morning slot.
TurdBlossom’s His nickname for Rove
Of great dirty tricks he’s a trove.
KKK-Karl
Is going to snarl
As his buns bake in Congress’s stove.
Hail the Boy King, our Conquering Fuhrer!
His visions make our future clearer!
Eschew introspection
and make no connection
with the blood that you see in the mirror.
Alfred Kelgarries @
2
Someone back a thread or so, I think it was emptywheel, suggested James Comey to step up after Gonzalez is pushed out. I think I agree. Comey did the right thing in the face of some very serious threats and he thinks fast on his feet…effectively. The next president is free to nominate his own AG, and I hope Patrick Fitzgerald is given serious consideration for that. Honestly, I believe that both are exceptional men.
Karl Rove going down worries me, though. That leaves George W. Bush alone with Dick Cheney.
This country has problems.
RevDeb @ 22
I’m with you. Beating the Imus dead horse until it liquifies…hopefully it’ll be over for the most part this evening.
Maybe Pat Robertson’s Universities are better than we think? Perhaps significantly better than a matchbook law school. Regents U has served Monica Goodling well and another 150 Christian soldiers in the Bush admin according to Regents U website. Colburn U is Michele Bachmann’s Pat Robertson law school, praise the lord, “She’s Hot for God”. Karl can trust Michele Bachmann. Amen? You have to see this to believe it….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm16dBXn5u0
Iraq gets its version of Tet….
Leahy calls WH a liar…..
RNC throws Rove under a bus….
Wolfowitz toasted over abusing position to benefit his girlfriend…..
DC madam names a Bushie as a customer……
I am envisioning Laura Bush in that June Cleaver moment asking George, “Well how was your day, dear?”
Who are you calling chicken? T. rex’s closest living relative found on the farm
In case anyone was wondering . . . but then it can’t be OUR TRex.
Is this sort of like Sammy The Bull not wanting to do the time.
raven @ 13
Who are his party “buddies” pray tell?
albert fall @ 28
lol!
raven @
13
God, this makes me sick. I was captive in my car (on a long drive to see my dad who was dying in a VA hospital) when the Iraq war started. I will never forget the sound of bombs exploding and Rumsfeld’s voice describing the “shock and awe” experience. He was orgasmic. I felt so ill, dizzy, disoriented. I knew the guy was an evil f*ck. I wonder if he was a regular too.
There is just no end to the perversion of these freaks.
The only thing that takes away the “ugh” factor of a picture of the porcine Rove with his mouth open is the wonderful fantasy of being the person to shove an apple in his mouth.
Christy Hardin Smith @
10
I want Randall Samborn’s job. I think I could not comment with the best of ‘em!
If and when Karl Rove’s head ends up on a pike, I sense that there will an epic thaw in our country of C.S. Lewis proportions.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
No, I give him full kudos for that.
I guess I just expected and IANAL, that once he convicted Libby, as I was sure he was going to, he would move on to the next phase and indicting the next set of criminals.
You can’t tell me I am the only person surprised that he said barring further developments or however he worded it, that the investigation was inactive.
You might not be surprised and you might understand better than I what that means in terms of some bigger chess game, but I don’t get why he hasn’t said this information (didn’t we know about non gov emails earlier?) changes everything.
Cause doesn’t it?
And BTW what is O.o? I thought I was so hep. :(
If Goodling cuts a deal I hope that the committees get something of real value for letting this disgusting low life off the hook.
All Karl has to say is get over it and we will.
We may yet live to see Kuzin Karl “frog marched” out in handcuffs. Way cool.
TThank you Mr. Kelner. What’s that smell in the air, is it pig burning?
Rove may put himself on a spit and set it on self- roast, before they come to “frogmarch” him out of the WH, and put him in his orange suit.
I really wish we could know what Mr. Fitzgerald knows.
Christy Hardin Smith @
11
Hi Christy, will you also extend our deepest gratitude, on behalf of many Canadians, who really appreciate his prosecution of Conrad Black and his crooked friends.
cal @ 39
Hey now she is a Christian! Yikes
albert fall @ 28
Tet, not yet. A great young man who I babysat for 20 years ago leaves for Iraq tommorow. He graduated from college, his pop is a Special Ed professor and he joined to be a grunt. I’m seriously bummed.
Semi OT, but is this the current GOP theme song? Not the bushies, mind you but the rank and file?
Forrest Prince @ 41
a dream come true
Petrocelli @ 44
Not much in the papers here about that trial.
Tithonia @ 33
God. Even better if Laura says ‘ Well, George, was she good? Was she worth it George?’
Sometime in 2005? And what was happening during 2005 in the Fitz investigation, and what were the dates relevant to the missing rove e-mails relating to Plame?
If Monica Goodling cuts a deal, she had better watch her back.
cal @ 38
Wouldn’t Goodling be forced to testify if they gave her immunity? She might not be the one wanting to cut a deal.
It would be iron rich for Rove’s emails to have been preserved due to the Libby investigation. Follow the magnet ;)
Btw, I think you meant committees unless it’s the Latin plural form.
Scarecrow at 50 — The short answer is “yes.” But I know that EW is working on a longer answer on this with all the good details.
I think it is funny that the World Bank Staff is telling Wolfowitz to resign. Bye-bye!!
cal @ 39
I am guessing that Conyer’s committee has finally turned up some pretty compelling evidence, which will make it very much worth her while to cooperate fully with Congress. And quite self-destructive if she doesn’t.
She is still young–she has time to get through this, and get on with her life. Likely everyone in her “personal” circle is telling her this.
I for one, am dying to hear her explain where on earth she came up with the notion of administering loyalty oaths. Was it really her idea, and if it wasn’t, whose was it.
And I would also love to hear her talk about who emailed her via the RNC servers (did she have one of those accounts???) and under what circumstances and why!
First, Rove deletes emails he’s not supposed to. Then, they change the law so that he’s definitely not supposed to delete emails, but he deletes them anyway. Then, they back them up, because he won’t stop, and he still deletes his emails.
He’s out of control.
SusanD @ 35
Why do you hate apples so much ? ;-) Or by ‘apple’ do you mean something else?
Sorry, I’m a newbie … not clued in to all the phrases of this exceptional blog.
eCAHNomics @
17
Ding!
Hello, Petrocelli!
“Unfinished Business: Afghanistan, the Middle East, and Beyond–Defusing the Dangers That Threaten America’s Security by Harlan Ullman and Senator John S. McCain 2003″
Nice job Christy! No more omerta for the Gambino Republicans huh?
Petrocelli @ 59
Apples – traditional garnish of a pig on a spit…
Petrocelli @59
Yes, on second thought you’re right. Why waste a perfectly good apple? I could always substitute a road apple.
kathleen @
49
There are some very good blogs on the Black trial … MSM in both Canada & America is atrocious for reporting the real news. If you ask nice, someone on this blog will list the blogs that are reporting on the Black trial.
Can’t any of his handlers get him to stop saying “they kill innocent life” jesus h christ!
inmymind’seye @ 51
I’ve been hoping J.Dowd is smart enough to have bodyguard detail assigned.
Especially knowing what happened in that medical case in TX.
AZ Matt @ 56
he’s there to root out corruption
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
ew’s off in the weeds, which means that Karl is not safe. Someone needs to write a book about Marcy vs. Rove.
I was wondering when they would get around to offering imunity to goodling
she is simply claiming the fifth because she doesn’t want to testify
even if she committed crimes against our country they are nothing compared to the people she acted in behalf
cut that deal ladies and gentlemen in the house, but them as liberally as you like, we want this women to squeel like the pig that she is
hey…has there ever been a politician that looks more like a pig then rove?
I ask you
Kathryn in MA @ 61
Hi Kathryn, I don’t get to spend much time on here as I’d like, but I love FDL, the posts, all the great work by Jane, Christy and the others and the really great comments by all of you.
kathleen @ 41
Classics revisited. Dood has some past history on this. And this.
Slothrop @ 25
oh, karl rove goes down alright
who do you think was having “meetings” with ganon in the white house?
and now, that I created an image that will spoil everyone’s dinner, I hope you have it well digested before you read that
Slothrop @
26
No worries, mate.
If Rove goes the other two won’t be far behind.
Scarecrow @ 70
that’s a picture!
a Christy bonus yeay !!!!
Christy, Jane and Marcy: thanks for the things you provide.
STTP in Ohio @ 75
As noted on previous posts, we all need to have Pelosi’s back. Figuratively and literally.
Georgesimian @ 57
WANS (We are not surprised.)
I take issue with comparing Rover to a pig. I love pigs. They’re highly intelligent, sensitive, sweet creatures. They make great pets, highly protective, and loyal.
Rove is subhuman, more like an orc. Evil, smelly bastard.
In the RNC’s effort to distance themselves from this Rove email scam, the other Repubs better start playing ball if they want to get re-elected I would think. I would not be surprised to see enough votes soon for I……mus to vote for impeachment to save my sorry ass.
I’m almost beginning to believe in God again!
If only the hundreds of thousands of people who have needlessly died in this war could rise from the dead…I would certainly believe
Mutant Poodle @
63
Will it be Chef Fitz or Chef Waxman?
frabtacular !
She is going to round him up, move him out; Rove, hide!
Keith now taking on Gonzo. Go Keith. Showing Leahy’s finest hits of today.
Too bad he only gave it a couple of minutes. There’s gold in that thar mine.
perris @ 74
oh sigh – thought rover was just the pimp for GW – I am shocked, shocked I tell ya!
who do you think was having “meetings” with ganon in the white house?
Oh dear – sorry perris – can’t delete my misplaced comment and feel free to obliterate my failed GW insult. Gotta get me to a tubes class before the ladies of the lake ban me.
inmymind’seye @ 80
good point. Sorry pigs
KO now covering missing emails
Scarecrow @ 69
computer simulation
round one;
rove comes out swinging wide girly swings, marcy ducks, laughs, bounces back, flips hair
round two;
this time ew rushes to teh middle of the ring, rove tries to send a stand in…democrat is ring master though, deducts two points
round three;
rove takes another girly swing, marcy ducks, flips hair, rove is on to this move, grabs hair, (illegal) and tries to push marcy to the ground
marcy winds up and takes a mighty swipe at roves jewels but the target is almost impossible to hit, he laughs it off..
round four;
marcy thinks this has to be the round…spits out gum
marcy’s publisher comes in with a stack of emails recovered from rnc servers
roves corner throws in the towel
compu stat has it marcy in four
The RNC just threw Goodling a life raft by removing the threat from Rove if she squeals. She’s the smoking gun on the USA’s that takes it right back to the White House. She doesn’t know how many e-mails might survive, and if she doesn’t talk she is taking a walk. So I think now is the time for Conyers and company to pounce. She might change her mind later.
perris @ 90
I say marcy KOs in round one
kathleen @ 82
Their sacrifice is a reminder for us all to be more vigilant and to hold our leaders accountable, lest they abuse their power.
All of the wars in the last 100 years were preventable and we have to promote freedom and respect for all. A human life is more precious than all the oil in Iraq … and our leaders on both sides have failed to uphold the rights we all deserve.
SusanD @
34
Until that day…
;>)
BREAKING:
5 million missing emails found in a paper bag under Judy’s desk.
Are you ready for this from CNN
T. rex thigh reveals chicken family ties
POSTED: 5:54 p.m. EDT, April 12, 2007
Story Highlights• Chickens are distant cousins of the T. rex, researchers say
• Scientists studied protein from 68 million-year-old bone
• ‘First molecular proof’ of bird-dinosaur link
Adjust font size:
CHICAGO, Illinois (Reuters) — Tiny bits of protein extracted from a 68-million-year-old dinosaur bone have given scientists the first genetic proof that the mighty Tyrannosaurus rex is a distant cousin to the modern chicken.
“It’s the first molecular evidence of this link between birds and dinosaurs,” said John Asara, a Harvard Medical School researcher, whose results were published in Friday’s edition of the journal Science.
Slothrop @ 25
With respect, are you just now figuring that out? Don’t kid yourself. Cheney and Karlosivitch don’t matter. Bush has always been alone, except for the little voices in his head. I have a teensy amount of psych knowledge from my misbegotten youth learning psyops. GWB has been clinically institutionalizable for at least the last three years.
PS: Jack Cafferty just read my email on Imus on the end of the 7pm situation room. Do I have to get an agent now?
perris @ 70
I think Monica II knows a lot, and I also think that she’s feeling a great deal of pressure, because she knows what they did was not only wrong, but highly illegal, and the pressure was revealed in the wording from her resignation … [paraphrasing]
Or however she worded it
kathleen @ 41
Warthog on a spit, maybe.
Pig on a spit actually smells good when it’s cooking.
Slothrop @ 25
Will Condi’s cooler head prevail?
KKKarl can press delete all he wants but until the IT dude in the basement decides to over-write the daily, weekly and monthly tapes he is SOL.
Keep hitting the delete key, KKKarl. Maybe you can get workers’ compensation for carpal tunnel syndrome.
hackworth @ 100
spare me the imagery please
hackworth @ 101
nah, she already gave at the office
Slothrop @ 25
The mental picture this evokes is quite nauseating, at least to someone who thinks it’s gross to use Rove, Bush and Dick and “going down” in the same sentence.
Help.
I’m trying to understand why an RNC political constultant would be required to have an official government email account anyway.
foulis @ 101
Subpoena the IT staff. There’s a reason they wear T-shirts that say “I read your email.”
LS @ 96
heh heh….
It is absolutely, 100 per cent essential, vital and imperative that Karl Rove be dealt with. This man must have his day in court. He cannot be allowed to slide like so many others. Mr. Rove is perhaps, the most important man in America, and therefore, the world.
inmymind’seye @ 80
OMG George Clooney! Is that you?!!!111
LJ/Aquaria @
99
Calling Rove a pig is an affront to pigs … and I’m a vegetarian ;-)
You ‘get’ Rove, and you’ll get the other two.
Just remember this while your ample butt is warming the bench in your cell, Karl:
It’s the hubris.
Two very bad Iraq war events occurred today:
The Parliament was bombed.
A major Baghdad bridge was bombed.
That sounds very ominous, coming on the heels of the Sadr call for the Mahdi Army to fight the other day. There are hundreds of thousands of them.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
Slide on over Slinky. Rove grease=greased pig.
inmymind’seye @ 80
Pigs are actually pretty cool, for farm animals. They were quite smart. One of our pigs figured out how to open the gate to the sty, simply by watching how we opened it. Of course, we had to replace the mechanism with something more complex after that. It was zero fun rounding up 47 pigs at 6 a.m. on a November morning.
LJ/Aquaria @ 99
(sniff, sniff) burnt bacon!
moi @ 103
“Cooler Heads” would be a nice band name. Styrofoam coolers make nice headgear. ;)
inmymind’seye @ 80
Orcs were tortured elves. Karlosivitch did this to HIMSELF. He’s a demon, in the old roman catholic theological sense of the word. self made, in a self made hell.He throws others on the fire to convince himself he’s not burning.
And he’s just as clinically institutionalizable as GWB. Note the classic obsessive behavior of using his blackberry IN BED, IN CHURCH, to EMAIL PEOPLE HE IS PHYSICALLY WITH, etc. The blackberry is his informational dominance gear.
And if he is gay, then his obsession with the sins of others (as in the fixation with democratic vote stealing) and with “wedge issues” is classic projection.
Such people are at their most dangerous when allowed to go to their personal limit, only to realized the end of the track has arrived and they can’t stop. Rove was given carte blanche in 2004 and has been careening ever since.
Marcy is at it. Boy, I’d hate to do anything to get her going after me! She’s a human weed whacker.
GO MARCY!
No respectable place allows a worker to direcly delete (the backup copy) of an email. It sounds like even a crap place like the RNC had an archive policy of some sort for at least Rove in place.
This should mean that he can hit delete so he does not have 2 million emails on his PC, or viewed when he connects to the server – but they damn sure are on the server.
Add to that the fact that you know the SS, CIA, FBI, or NSA have these emails (tax payers are paying for these freakin emails).
I am sure this has been pointed out above, gonna try and read this thread in full now. Once I saw this issue – well this is what its all about aint it. Commit crimes galore for years and hide the evidence, very easy when the cowering cowards are in control of Congress – not such a good plan when there is actual oversight.
If Monica Goodling rats out and gets immunity would that also remove her from any danger of losing her Juris Pharisee degree from Regent? Would she then be an un-indicted co-conspirator subject to sanction by the bar?
This must be Roves Peter Principle moment.
LS @ 123
not really, his moment was when he lost control of the government for the repukelicans
they know he’s inept yet they act like marionettes to his script never the less
marching to their doom by that script I might add
more like Impala
running for his life after Emptywheel deftly separates him from the herd, Karl breaks free in to the open . . .
inmymind’seye @
33
Or as Stephanie Miller says, he was having a wargasm.
raven @ 96
Just like I said, “Tastes like chicken!”
“Try new Colonel Sander’s TRex Wings! Tasts Like Dinosaurs!” (You watch, it’ll happen!)
perris @ 123
You are absolutely right!
Alfred Kelgarries @
2
Maybe I have not been reading FDL in detail for long enough, but why does everyone here talk like Fitz hung the moon? I mean, I know he did a good job on Libby, but he didn’t get Rove.
Why does anyone think he cares anymore and is not content to just sit and get through the day to day happenings of his “day job” and let all this go?
He is a Republican, isn’t he?
So, maybe you all know something I don’t, but this guy does not seem to me to be motivated to bring down the White House’s main man – Rove. Does he? It seems he has had his day in the sun, and just wants the Bushies to retire in 1/08.
Doesn’t he?
Scarecrow @ 50
LJ/Aquaria @ 104
I noticed that
SusanD @
34
Darkblack? Knock knock.
FDLer’s are getting excited smelling justice!
motherlowman @ 106
You are right, M. I used to take backup tapes home as procedure dictated they be stored off site. Go “after” the IT guys and you will be surprised what you find.
kathleen @ 132
I love the smell of karma in the morning.
Loo Hoo @ 131
Look up, dear Loo Hoo
;>)
Puesto @ 128
Fitz didn’t nail rove because rove “Found” an email that raised a reasonable doubt in Fitz’s mind. That’s the way he is. And he’s nailing conrad back to the wall right now in court. He is a “real republican”, and not a “republinazi”. real republicans have minor policy differences with real democrats but obey the law and view their opponents as the “loyal opposition”. Republinazis are fascists who mouth conservative slogans and then set up concentration camps when no one is looking. And if you think we don’t already have some, (Besides Guantanamo!) check out what happens to some of the illegal immigrants who get picked up in ICE raids. shudder.
Last time I checked, Pat Fitzgerald had no party affiliation.
darkblack @ 134
@ 94
astoundingly great work,
here all day, christy!
i’ve been off the grid
all day — and so much
has happened, i felt i
ought to set it to music!
lights! camera! and, erh. . .
action?!
i’ve been epu’d here,
but it belongs here. . .
tomorrow will be a crazy-busy newsday,
as the 2 p.m. e.d.t. deadline looms. . .
Tithonia @ 136
Ditto.
newspaperbrat @ 106
Do you think she noticed it, what with the Horse’s head sitting on the bag?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 136
Fitz didn’t nail rove because rove “Found” an email that raised a reasonable doubt in Fitz’s mind. That’s the way he is. And he’s nailing conrad back to the wall right now in court. He is a “real republican”, and not a “republinazi”. real republicans have minor policy differences with real democrats but obey the law and view their opponents as the “loyal opposition”. Republinazis are fascists who mouth conservative slogans and then set up concentration camps when no one is looking. And if you think we don’t already have some, (Besides Guantanamo!) check out what happens to some of the illegal immigrants who get picked up in ICE raids. shudder.
Fitz has said that he is neither a REP or DEM. Why can’t we take his word on this?
pwrlght @ 141
Fitz has said that he is neither a REP or DEM. Why can’t we take his word on this?
Because it’s late and i’m stupid with fatigue. I knew that Fitz was apolitical, it just slipped my alleged and frequently absent mind…(altho his was a political appointment, was it not, or have my neurons atrophied again..?)
Actually, Fitzgerald has no stated political affiliation and has zealously pursued sleazeballs on both sides of the aisle. People get the mistaken impression that he’s a Republican because he was sponsored by a Republican senator who was looking for a tough, honest prosecutor.
The reason Fitz has a vocal fan base around these parts, IMHO, is that he is a competent and honest civil servant faithfully executing his duties and they’re pretty damned thin on the ground these days. It’s a pretty sad commentary on our times when Our Hero is an ordinary Joe doing his job. Or maybe it’s actually a nice thing that our hero is a guy doing his job quietly and professionally. There are worse things to admire. One of them is a President we didn’t elect twice.
hubris: ‘Some pigs are more equal than others.’
But, maybe pigs aren’t the metapahor, nor Orcs…Deatheaters?
This ilk of Goopers is the most brash, arrogant, stop-at-nothing group I have ever seen.
I just don’t think we have seen them begin to fight. When they do, I have yet to see a Dem with the juevos to stand the fire and brimstone they will throw out.
And, since their strategy is to “run out the clock” time is not on the side of “poetic justice.”
I believe the beginning of the end is when some powerful Repugs turn on them. Who is that going to be? I just don’t see any of them having a modicum of conscience and they could rationalize forking their own grandmother for “the cause.”
Alfred Kelgarries @
118
Thank you for clearing that up for me. Fortunately I have not observed the demon using his blackberry in bed. That makes me feel really really queezy. blergh. But he does seem to be utterly intoxicated with his power. He can’t get enough of himself. I can’t wait ’til that perpetual smirk is wiped from his pitiful face.
It’s enough to make ya start drinkin’ again
Fitz is adored beacause he did his job under the yoke of a Republican coupe and still got someone convicted. He did not get more because the admin is a bunch of lying treason snakes.
When whatever investigations fall out I would bet that a decent portion will be built on the work he has done. If not then he will still remain the one that discovered the crooks had been dipped in by their heel (thus have a weak spot… can you smell the festering?). Again he did this when folks around him were getting calls and towing the line or getting “fired”.
For that and the fact that his press confs show he has master command of data, timeline, and relevence… and all in his head, no notes needed. Compare that to Abu Gonzo who looks like a lying two year old when talking about stuff he has supposed to have/have not done.
I guess its just because the guy is a hard-working hero.
I’d love to see Abu flip. Bet he could tell some tales….
Via @ 150
Too stoopid to tell tales.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 126
Well, thought it was funny and timely but that’s just me!
If Regents U is so good then lets see how many retain counsel from Regents U.
I will guess zero…and there is going to be plenty of opportunity. Kinda funny considering how many of them they hired.
As a senior fed who has run programs and also large procurements, the onus is on the individual to follow rules and regs about proper use of gov’t equipment and maintaining the security of gov’t information. You just can’t use a non gov’t account for conducting gov’t business and of course this applies broadly, not just to officials with security clearances. “I forgot” or “we not clear about the rules” does not cut it. EVERYONE has to take a refresher course each year on computer security and it covers email and the handling of controlled data. These briefings are 3rd party prepared materials viewed on-line with some course and test (it’s been privatized), they are not briefings or memo’s issued by local managers. It is not uncommon for the gov’t to assert that by default all information is by default not for public (and thus international) dissemination and is sensitive, therefore, paperwork is necessary to share information – be it conversation, presentation or written. I’m not referring to declassifying information, just asserting the info isn’t sensitive. All Computers systems need to have security policies and procedures. Also, information about people, job performance and etc is controlled data. It clearly falls under these rules and regs that are discussed in the annual computer security training. So sending email on a GOP server is considered public dissemination and if it involves public officials, it’s controlled data and needs to be secured.
If Monica gets a deal and then because of that deal nobody ends up going to jail (think a rerun of Iran Contra) then the Dems will have been played again. This is all a little to convient for me despite being a minor player she goes to the press screaming she won’t testify. After the press asked who are you? She claimed congress was out to get her and she was going to invoke the 5th. She seems like a creature created to attract the media and over eager Dems. She is setting up a sucker play. This move is to orchestrated to be hers alone and to awkwardly set up to have been thought up by a woman. Hmm? Orchestrated and Awkward!this play was called in by a Republican Man.
Puesto @ 128
Fitz did his job, he got a conviction of Libby for lying and obstruction in the leaking of a covert agent. Libby is/was pretty high up on the food chain. That’s a start. He hinted he had more but that it’s now up to congressional oversight to keep it going and are they ever. Albeit slowly, but they’re being very methodical and leaving nothing to chance. Trust me, I’m just as impatient as the next person, but they have to do it correctly.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 143
Because it’s late and i’m stupid with fatigue. I knew that Fitz was apolitical, it just slipped my alleged and frequently absent mind…(altho his was a political appointment, was it not, or have my neurons atrophied again..?)
It’s ok – it may also be a gender thingy – I would love Fitz even if he was that rare breed of a so-called “good” Republican. Everyday is Fitzmas day and when the Dems take back the WH I pray that Al and/or Nancy appoint him AG -we need a brilliant man to clean up the rat’s nest that is Gonzo’s legacy. ;~)
I seem to recall that one of the JCs got hold of her computer hard drive, though I haven’t been able to find anything via Google.
IIRC, someone on an FDL thread this morning said that Karl had been in Chattanooga this past week, the city where the RNC hosting company is located. What was he doing there?
Google: rove “Miss Piggy”
Happily, Rove’s emails STILL exist regardless of his deleting them. They cannot really be deleted…unless the RNC itself provided Rove with access and resources required to truly eliminate the emails. Simply deleting emails does not eliminate them. Data recovery services should have no problems recovering anything he deleted.
The only way this would not be the case is if Rove wiped the emails: deleted them and then overwrote the affected harddrive sectors hundreds of times with noise data. The only way he could do this is with official RNC sanction and help. This isn’t something a mere user can do.
So, either the emails will be recovered or the RNC is complicit in a crime.
It actually takes more than simply ROVE eliminating his emails, of course. Anyone and everyone else that received the deleted emails or sent them to Rove STILL has them available…unless they took part in what becomes a criminal conspiracy.
I’ve been coming to firelakedog since the Libby trial, thanks to rawstory. Love this place and it is so addicting.
Would it be possible for someone to do a summary of the many good suggestions on this blog? I’m thinking there are alot of good ideas and or advice in this story about how to get the emails, where to search, who to go to, who might have them. Some times people say, I think … is reading this. Well, if Fitz, Waxman or Leahy, KO, were, could that help them? As much as I love this place, I don’t have time to read every article and all the messages but a recap of some of the main points, ideas, suggestions from the messages at the end would be great. Maybe not every story but some of them? Then for those that don’t have time, they could read the story and the message board sumary. What do you think? I hope I am not out of line.
LS @
113
AND…if you look at the numbers of casualties of US forces there has been not only an INCREASE…but that increase is not from IED’s…it’s from automatic weapons fire. These attacks are no longer coming from furtive bombers but from miltiamen doing what Sadr has called upon them to undertake. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these deaths are the result of Iraqi “friendly fire”,
Slothrop @ 25
That is a horrid thought, what if the shooter is throwing Rove under the bus to get him out of the way?
Praedor Atrebates @
160
This is absolutely true! Given their assertions, and their claim that the emails are “lost” when they should still be on the hard-drive, the WH should be compelled to turn them over for examination. There should be stored or overwritten (and readable) copies on the hard-drive unless the drive has been SCRUBBED…which would, of course, destroy ALL the emails. That would imply a criminal act…or at the very least utter negligence or a quite complex sort. This requires a series of acts that goes far beyond stepping on a treadlepedal on a dictaphone!
And the fact that he didn’t report this “accident” that would have lost all his emails (and functioned perfectly well without them) suggests that something else is amiss.
I wonder if any of his subsequent SENT emails actually preserve emails that date to prior tio his (ahem) Rosemary Woods moment. This really smells like a cadaver in a trunk on a hot Sacramento summer day!
Rove would not only have to have totally scrubbed/wiped his inbox of emails, but his sent email files. Not only that, the people that he sent those emails to, or received them from, would ALSO have to do the same thing. Rove wasn’t simply sending and receiving emails to himself (and even if he were, it is likely that the emails traversed intermediate snmp servers.
Phoenix Woman @ 157
How many Ari’s are out there that want to save themselves?
How many toes have they stepped on that may now have a chance for revenge?
Can they subpoena that Canadian company that has their server? They need to get those subpoena’s out quick.
They almost got away with this. If Bev Harris had not found the code to diebolds electronic voting machines online…
The email storm is brewing.
Karl Rove is a Blackberry junkie. Not one email from him has been turned over. Wassup Karl? Are you hiding something? Why? Just for the sake of hiding it? You’re such an innocent kidder . . .
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002999.php
Senator Leahy says you’re lying Karl. Karl lie? Never! Mr. Karl “Caught Red Handed Lying About Having Nothing To Do With Outing Our CIA Agent Plame” Rove would never lie. Never. And he has built up such credibility with his sweet-nothing campaign tactics over the years, like claiming McCain fathered an illegitimate – horror of horrors – black child, or McCain doesn’t support the military, or McCain is somehow connected to – double horror of horros – gay people. All of this is to say nothing of Karl’s leading hand in the current scandal du jour. In the purge of Justice Karl just sat right back while the White House tried to shove Harriet Myers over the cliff for him in a brilliant sacrifice. Too bad those bad emails from your minions surfaced Karl. They were so stupid. Good thing you are so much smarter than that and will never give up your emails to let the truth out. Thank Goodness America is safe from the truth with people like you at the helm running our Country. Nothing to worry, right Karl? Nothing to look at here, right?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..tors_N.htm
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0412.html
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-any-more/
And now innocent Ms. Monica “I’m A Top Justice Department Official Taking My Prophylactic 5th Amendment” Goodling is back in the spotlight. Looks like she will be lucky enough so that Congress will grant her immunity. She must be so relieved now that she can tell the truth without any possible harm whatsoever coming to her (right!). All she has to do is tell the truth. If she lies of course, she’s going right to jail with Scooter. But of course she wouldn’t lie now. Would she? I mean these Republicans don’t lie, right? And she comes from such an honest department called Justice. Either the Attorney General Gonzales himself or Goodling’s immediate superior Sampson (or more likely both) lied right through their teeth in smearing those good prosecutors who they fired because they wouldn’t witchhunt Democrats. They’re such an honest nice bunch.
Oh the storm is brewing. The clouds are gathering for you. The Republicans who are sending our boys to die to enforce the Rule of Law in Iraq may just find the Rule of Law actually applies to them at home. They may just find there are some consequences for them for getting caught breaking the law . . .
What a surprise that the most incompetent lying bunch of Republicans ever to run our country also just happen to be a bunch of lawbreakers. They are so incompetent they may just find that the law they thought they controlled actually catches up with them.
“if Mr. Rove knew that his e-mails were to be preserved…”
That is a hell of a big if.
There’s no percentage in cutting a deal with Monica Goodling. She’s a “true believer”. No matter what, she’s not going to give Congress anything. She’ll take her immunity and leave them holding a bag of sawdust.
I must also add, I’m not so much in a hurry for Gonzo to go – my money’s on Orrin Hatch as the chimp’s nominee for AG, g_d help us. From their perspective, he’s perfect – the Senate couldn’t possibly not confirm him.
eCAHNomics @
16
Agreed. Wtf would she go for that deal now unless they had something else to pressure her with?
I’m not sure whether anyone has made this point, but it is worth noting that Rove’s computer/computers (some of them, anyway) were paid for by the federal government, and are still owned by the government. Would it not be a crime to destroy government property by destroying hard drives? Seems so to me. The GAO could certainly investigate this easily enough.
Bill @ 173, seems there was something in the Libby case about destruction of government property which was never explained.
If Goodie gets immunity, she’ll be back to fight another day just like the thugs in power now. Put her on the rack first.
Petrocelli @ 58
You stuff an apple in a pigs mouth right before you roast it over an open fire.
I keep wondering how closely Fitzgerald is following the Judiciary Committee’s investigations, and especially the missing emails. Might he reactivate his grand jury and put his FBI agents back to work?
Another thought. Might not the Judiciary Committee staffers be interested in talking to Fitz to see what he knows about deleted emails?
inmymind’seye @ 80
Yes, my thoughts exactly. But he is not really subhuman at all, just showing us what any human is capable of.