
From this evening's edition of New York Times:
CBS brought the tumultuous weeklong crisis over racially insensitive remarks by the radio host Don Imus to an end late this afternoon when it canceled the “Imus in the Morning” program, effective immediately.
In a statement, [CBS head Les] Moonves said, “Those who have spoken with us the last few days represent people of goodwill from all segments of our society — all races, economic groups, men and women alike. In our meetings with concerned groups, there has been much discussion of the effect language like this has on our young people, particularly young women of color trying to make their way in this society.”
Bob Herbert, New York Times employee and a guest on tonight's Countdown, called Imus' comments "toxic" and not even funny. "What's the punchline?" he asked Olbermann. No punchline, just stupidity masked as edgy, envelope-pushing.
Imus is gone for now. How does this bode for the other mouth-breathers, like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and the Sauron of them all, Rush Limbaugh, who have had unfettered access to the public airwaves for the past six years? Media Matters sets out an exhausting (but hardly exhaustive) list of offensive comments uttered by these bigots and bullies.
And it is curious, indeed, that at this very point in time, Tim O'Reilly (who thinks it's really important that people know he coined the term "Web 2.0") has called for a bloggers' "civility" pledge, some sort of Hippocratic oath for the blogosphere. Promise to be nice, or else. Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and John Gibson can spew the most heinously vitriolic crap and take home a fat paycheck, but bloggers are supposed to hold their tongues and be civil. From Tuesday's New York Times article:
"Mr. O’Reilly said the guidelines were not about censorship. “That is one of the mistakes a lot of people make — believing that uncensored speech is the most free, when in fact, managed civil dialogue is actually the freer speech,” he said. “Free speech is enhanced by civility."
Try selling that Orwellian bar of soap to Rush Limbaugh, Tim. When he stops being so morally repulsive, I'll stop using curse words. Sadly, No!'s HTML Mencken encapsulates this whole issue when he cites Sidney Blumenthal:
Like the politicians [George] Will set out to study, his words must be taken seriously. Two words are key to his thought — “decent” and “civility” — his shorthand for different political mentalities. “Decent” arises in his language as something bad about Democrats: “There hangs about the Democratic party an aura of moral overreaching. A symptom is the use of words like ‘decent’….as in ‘a decent society requires this or that.’” “Civility,” according to Will, is what will be restored when the Iran-contra scandal is swept away. But the meaning of these words, as Will uses them, is broader.
He uses “civility” to mean manners masquerading as morals, a category of form referring less to the rule of law than to the rule of etiquette; it is more an unspoken social, rather than ethical, code. Correct behavior may make the good possible, it is not goodness itself.
By contrast, “decency,” which Will belittles, actually is about morals.... “Decent” connotes a tempered moral position, one that carefully avoids righteous absolutism; it also suggests compassion and patience. The word is precisely the opposite of elite condescension, the opposite of hauteur.
MSNBC and CBS, undoubtedly torn between the loss of advertising revenue and the money that Imus generated with his anachronistic racism and misogyny, opted to do the decent thing and fired him. Now let's see how the networks handle their other albatrosses.
[I'm going to be in this space for the next few months, and will be, god help us all, setting Rudy Giuliani in my scopes. Had something ready, but thought that Imus' firing outweighed a brief history lesson in Giuliania.]
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Can we stop talking about him now?
The old order is buckling under the weight.
-GSD
I think that on a larger scale, the “civility” v. “decency” discussion is the crux of the matter.
Will someone please fire Rush?
Buh-bimus
I noted the difference between this matter and the recent Coulter ejaculations about John Edwards.
Them Republicans stand by their fascistas.
-GSD
On Imus? No comment.
I got 5 dollars sez Imus ends up on Fox. He’s just their type.
Or WH press secretary!
I think you mean “sets out an exhausting (but hardly exhaustive) list”
Did you mean “but hardly exhaustive”?
Morris Sheppard @ 9
Ah, yes. this is what happens when one scraps the post she was writing…
I understand that some are tired of Imus, but we can use this incident to go after Rush, Savage, Beck, etc. It’s important for that reason.
But today I’m mostly focused on those missing emails.
RE: Imus
I guess Anna Nicole is still dead and there are no missing white women this week.
It’s fine with me for Imus to get fired, but I think this is going to open an interesting can of worms. Limbaugh, for example, is a blatant racist. His endless “black” voices, including “Jesse Jackson” and “Mike Tyson”, are at least as racist as anything Imus said, and they are not meant as jokes in even the sense that perhaps Imus could have been understood. Past Limbaugh we find Savage, Hannity, Beck, et al, and they get worse and worse. Who is going to be deciding all these fine points. And once empowered, is this decider… oh dear.
Again, Imus needed to get this feedback. But there’s a whole lot of generalized bitterness that Imus is actually scapegoating for in this situation, and scapegoating is a dangerous game. In my book, what Imus did was very specific–he hurt some good people, the women’s basketball team of Rutgers, and it was something utterly out of the blue and in no way called for. It ought to be very clearly stated that he was fired for being egregiously hurtful to specific individuals. We don’t need censors, and gawd knows the Right already wants them bad enough.
Ana Marie: what sealed it for me was the amount of class those young women showed compared to Imus.
Another will arise to take Imus’s place.
They are legion.
So forget about them and go after the head of the snake.
What is clear is that there are civil but indecent people, and also uncivil, but decent ones.
I stand with the decent, civil or not.
It ought to be very clearly stated that he was fired for being egregiously hurtful to specific individuals. We don’t need censors, and gawd knows the Right already wants them bad enough.
It’s a slippery slope, I agree. I also think that FCC regulations for the public airwaves have been so blatantly disregarded that they’re essentially useless.
I am not interested in curbing free speech. I am interested in punishing hate speech.
I haven’t been out of the doghouse for long, but are we any better than Imus if we continually taunt Rove about his porcine features and/or his obesity?
Move over, Rover…
Remember this ???:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509280006
DAVID FRANKLIN @ 8
I say Condi ends up on FOX too, with her own variety show like Liberace.
Morris Sheppard @ 18
Imus is neither.
What Don Imus said was racist.
What Don Imus said was sexist.
Double Whammy.
Buh-bye, Don.
I’m just glad his old carcass is gone. Its been dead for awhile and nobody took those remains away.
I never could understand his appeal. I found him perpetually abrasive, one of those ugly Americans.
Good ON CBS.
Balrog @ 20
Ben Stein ended the rumor of Karl Rove’s weight. Ben said he was fit and also a very nice man because Rove cooked him dinner AND gave him a ride home.
-GSD
Here’s the nub from NBC’s statement yesterday — it’s about employees of the media companies themselves knowing they can trust their places of employment to enforce their own professional conduct codes on sexual and racial harassment.
This is where we take the fight against hate radio and television to the next level. Is it CBS Corporation’s policy to allow its on-air talent to hurl sexual and racial epithets in news and public affairs programming? It isn’t NBC’s. How about you, Viacom? Clear Channel? NewsCorp? Time-Warner? How can women and minorities assure themselves they’re working and competing on a level playing field at your companies when your own personalities slur them on the air?
This is the central conundrum for our media companies, especially in their news, public affairs and information broadcasting. How can their own employees trust them with their careers when hate and harassing speech is willfully broadcast from their airwaves?
The answer is simple. They can’t. The solution is simple, too. Knock it the hell off.
That stupid blogger’s civility pledge is beyond ridiculous. The kind of people who would agree to it aren’t the ones who do the kinds of things that prompted Tim O’Reilly to draft it. The GOP-sponsored trolls won’t follow it. Hell, I doubt even the ambiguously gay bloggers at places like Powerline would.
DAVID FRANKLIN @
8
Depends on where their money comes from.
Why is KO attacking Anderson Cooper’s sexual orientation, as reported on HuffPo?
And what about those who are both indecent and uncivil? Imus is one, and Mark Levin, he of the “shut up you crazy lib!” fame comes instantly to mind.
LS @ 21
Yep. And Limbaugh’s mocking of 12-yr-old Chelsea Clinton. This pustulent boil has been a long time festering…
Imus was in the seat of power in the media establishment and of the Washington ruling elite and he chose to pick on a group of young college women who are at the top of the injustice scale in America.
-GSD
Joe Scarborough is tripping over his own logic.
Between Imus, Anna-Nicole Smith and Sanjaya on American Idol, I don’t see how there’s really time to think much about Darfur.
Oops, I meant Powerline not Hotline. I fixed my previous comment.
It’s amazing. You can kill five or six hundred thousand people, most of them innocents, based upon lies, and nothing happens. Astonishing.
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Citizen Watertiger and the Firepup Patriots:
“He uses civility to mean manners masquerading as morals…By contrast, ‘decency’, which Will belittles, actually is about morals.”
What an absolutely brilliant post Citizen Watertiger. The quotation excerpted above describes perfectly the defining cultural conflict exposed in the Imus mess. Here we are in the 21st century fighting the late 18th century battle between morality and decadence…decency vrs. manners. And the vacuity of the ruling class manners is nowhere better expressed than in the blatherings of one George Will.
decency vrs. decadence…the Rutgers women’s basketball team vrs. Don Imus - perfect.
Thank you Watertiger, your writing is elixir for the mind of this father of two young women and grandfather of three beautiful girl children.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS INTO YER YARD!!!
Limbaugh/Chelsea Clinton:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703070012
Here’s a classic example of what to do if you want to feel real nice.
Just in from Think Progress
White House says it will not turn over RNC emails.
The Politico reports:
White House Counsel Fred Fielding, in a letter today, told Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), chairmen of the House and Senate Judiciary committees, that the White House has not budged in its refusal to allow the panels to question several White House aides, including Karl Rove, about what they know regarding the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys, moving the two sides closer to a constitutional battle over the scandal.
Fielding also appears to be trying to head off an attempt by Conyers to obtain e-mails and documents from the Republican National Committee regarding the firings. … Fielding also said that “it was and remains our intention to collect e-mails and documents from those [RNC-controlled] accounts as well as the official White House e-mail and document retention systems” as part of a broader deal with the two committees on staffer testimony.
In a response statement, Conyers was unmoved: “the Judiciary Committee intends to obtain the relevant emails directly from the RNC. The White House position seems to be that executive privilege not only applies in the Oval Office, but to the RNC as well. There is absolutely no basis in law or fact for such a claim.
For heavens sake, why are so many of you trying to lump Imus in with Limbaugh, Beck, etc.? Please hear me: you have never really listened to his show - you don’t know what in the hell you are talking about - and you are letting someone else tell you what you think. We are in the middle of a war of truth against some real honest to goodness crooks and liars out there, and I am here to tell you that you are dead wrong about Imus’ true character (which should be judged by his good actions, not just a few idiotic words). I invite all those high-fiving Imus’ demise to do a little research on their own. He has raised over $40 million selflessly for sick kids and wounded soldiers. You don’t see Limbaugh or their ilk doing that now do you? Come on people: think for yourselves a little here will you? If you won’t do that, then you are a liability in the mission of truth this blog supposedly represents. Kristie? Jane? Anyone?
Take that Fielding!! Sit on it and spin!
watertiger 33 -
Joe has logic? Could have fooled me.
JSW454 @ 42
Amen. There is bigger and better prey to be shot down.
Glenn Beck should go next.
Hannity and Rush are in more protected positions, but Beck’s employer, CNN, might be more vulnerable to pressure.
Ten years ago I used to watch CNN Headline News a lot, back when it was a class operation. It makes me sick what they’ve done to it, between him and Nancy Grace.
Yea casual racism! (and sexism!)
I have to be civil on my blog or else my brother unplugs the modem after I take down my un-civil post. I don’t listen to hate radio, but I do listen to Mike Malloy and he HATES THE REPUBLICANS!!!! But he tells you why.
well, I can’t believe I’m on the other side of a firedog issue but here I am
ya, of course Imus was wrong but more wrong then coulter when she calls the widows of 9/11 firemen sluts?
more wrong then savage who calls barbarah walters a mental slut?
more wrong then hannity and rush who on every occasion call democrats “working with the enemy”?
I’m sorry but Imus is the only person in corporate media critisizing the administration
I have no excuse for what Imus did but I did see his opology with sharpton and I believe he knows what he did was wrong, I believe he really did plan to make it right, I like his charity work and I think he’s the only person on corporate media giving another side to the political story
and who the hell is sharpton to critisize someone else over rascist remarks?
he’s called my people a ghetto religion
sorry
this is a shiny object and the right wing media played us like a badly tuned piano to get rid of Imus
shiny object and we fell for it.
Imus was by FAR the most progressive personality on in the morning here in long island raidio, FAR more progressive then “sammy and army” who happen to broadcast on air america if you can believe it
I’ll say it again
shiney object and we fell for it
what Imus needed to do was get the team on the air or in person, personally opologize to each and every one of them individually and as a team and let THEM tell him if they wanted him to resign or not
if he said;
“I will resign if you think I am not genuine in my opology to you”
I believe that would have calmed everyone down
anyway, shiney object and we fell for it
Snarkassandra -
where oh where are you hearing Mike Malloy these days ?
scarlet p. @
35
…… or Iraq or Iran or North Korea or the 5000 scandals the Bushies are causing.
So remember, if you are going to be a racist, make sure that you give to charity….It makes everything OK.
-GSD
JSW454 @ 41
Much as I don’t think Imus is essentially a decent person, you are right about some of it. He may be a jerk and a minor league bigot, but he did have a penchant for skewering those who were too full of bull - or themselves - for their own good. Kind of like a jerk who didn’t suffer fools gladly. In a political culture shot full of fools and liars there was a value in that.
The dead of Iraq will haunt us. Much as the slaughtered Jews of the last world war haunt Europe and the rest of us.
cbl @ 50
on NovaM Radio. He is on right now. You can listen from KPHX radio in Pheonix.
SnarKassandra @ 48
Mike Malloy Rawks!!!
And Tom Hartman, and Randi Rhodes, and Stephanie Miller, and …
god, do I love me some John Conyers.
I disagree with the position that it is ok to say bad things if one does good things.
john in sacramento @ 56
Randi can insult people but she doesn’t get nasty. Or racial.
thanks snarkassandra!
JSW454 @ 42
Just a “youthful indiscretion,” right? Sorry, no biscuit for you.
cbl @ 60
You can call me Cassie. :)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 54
3 million dead Vietnamese doesn’t haunt “us”. Why would this be different?
Look, there were Black employees for NBC who said that it was unnacceptable.
Somehow, the idea that everything that occurs is a Rovian double-trick is really crazy to me.
Black people were very upset about this…White people who dislike racism were very upset about this. College basketball players were very upset about this.
My brother’s Jamaican-America wife was upset about this.
That this was somehow a manufactured rightwing hit on “progressive Don Imus” is pretty outlandish.
-GSD
GSD @ 51
look, I know rascists…I happen to have been raised a rascist
a little education and intelect and rascisim is deminished but some people cannot overcome how they were raised, it takes lessons…this was surely a lesson Imus should have learned from before but I’m pretty certain he learned it this time and I am certain he would have done what most of us would do if someone made rascist remarks on our air show
lessons…we all make mistakes, some of us will benefit from lessons, others will not…Imus?
I’m pretty sure he and the rest of radio would have benefitted from that lesson if his opology were accepted but his opology looked sincere to me
is it ok to say rascist things if you do good things?
no, of course not, but then there are those lessons
anyway, I’m done defending Imus, what he said about this team was repugnant and I’m sure I understand everyone’s position here
I just think this should have been left up to the women he insulted, not sharpton, not us…the women he hurt
Imus didn’t do what needed to be done I suppose, get in touch with the people he hurt and try to see if he could make it right
anyway, he’s gone from am radio…I wouldn’t be surprised to see him on payed tv or satalite radio in the very near future
hey…whatever happened to bob grant?…is he working again?
Survey question —–
How many people think that you can ONLY call a place a concentration camp if it is also a death camp?
(I am having an argument with the 12 yr old blogger on my site. NO using the dictionary on this one.)
I don’t know why so many equate Imus as being right wing because he is a bigot. Actually he hated Bush and never uttered his name without calling him an idiot or a criminal or worse. I really think old KKKarl had his fingers into this mess. They seem to want to have The media look as if they caved to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so the media will probably get a right wingnut to fill his slot to show thay are independent of Sharpton. Maybe like a Larry Elder or something.
Hello, Imus be going…
EvilDrPuma @ 61
You may as well save your bytes, this is a done deal here. I was leaning your way until all the stuff about how he had promised to stop this shit before.
GSD @ 52
Charity heals all wounds. It’s the difference between Bill Gates and a corporate predator. It’s the difference between Don Imus and a racist. And Dick Cheney would become a hero if he just bought some freakin’ Girl Scout cookies, right?
SnarKassandra @ 66
Nope. It may be that all death camps are concentration camps, but not all concentration camps are death camps. Show the kid a Venn diagram.
EvilDrPuma @ 70
A whole truck load of girl scout cookies!
SnarKassandra @ 65
Probably lots of people think that way. But they’d be wrong. The camps where they dumped Japanese Americans and Canadians were concentration camps, for example.
Occam’s Razor, people. While Don Imus may not have been as “bigoted or misogynistic” as, say, Rush Limbaugh, this wasn’t his first offense.
To think that Karl Rove, who is probably too busy taping over all the old emails, is somehow behind this is a bit of a reach.
Alice B @ 67
Hi, Dan Abrams. Karl Rove here. Can you whip up some sort of controversy involving Imus? He’s tough on George W. Bush
What’s that? Olbermann…NO, Imus is the one who is really tough on Bush.
Yeah, I know I am dealing with a two bad wars and a melting adminstration, but getting Imus out of the way would really help.
-GSD
Imus is one of those “libertarian democrats” (gack, choke) who had a lot of pull setting the tone of discourse on our (allegedly) public airwaves. Those who like him can think he was “more progressive” than most others. But he was still poisoning the airwaves with his disgustingly crass “humor” and was more than willing to engage in baseless character assassination of prominent Democrats like Hillary Clinton. His style of progressiveness I can do without; he’s the type that helped pull “the center” further and further to the right, so the rightwingers can become even more offensive. Imus is the agar that people like Glenn Beck feed off of to make what they do acceptable.
Yes, Hannity and Beck and Savage and Coulter and O’Reilly and Limbaugh are worse. They are different problems that hopefully can also be dealt with eventually. With the exception of Limbaugh none of them have the kind of influence Imus had. Seeing all of the so-called professional journalists debase themselves the last few days vouching for Imus shows just how corrupted the millionaire media elite are.
I don’t think this Imus-mania is a right wing conspiracy. I do think it’s gotten way too much attention and has served as yet another distraction from a lot worse things that have happened (or come to light) in the last week.
And I think THAT is due, once again, to the MSM……who, when they’re not pandering to Bush et al, are just going about business as usual, i.e., making mega bucks off the sensational shit that their audiences eat up.
Will CBS radio never play most rap and hip hop tunes ever again too? They are probably mostly more disgusting vicious and racist than Imus has ever been. I can keep Imus switched off, but i would have to limit myself only to cds of my own playing to avoid the seditious exhortations to commit sexual violence one hears constantly on the radio.
Whose standard will CBS apply?
watertiger-
If you can photoshop Giuliani the way you have McCain, you may …. well, you know, it would be neat.
spinoza @ 78
You’re incorrigible.
That’s it, if we can do without it let’s ban it. Sharpton and Jackson remind me of the black preachers in Atlanta who tried to run gays out of their neighborhoods. Screw a bunch of preachers telling me what to say or listen to.
raven @ 63
And 13 million Ukrainians, Georgians and other non-Russians of the USSR?
I believe I have heard too about 23 million of what were called Red Indians in those days?
GSD @ 75
I don’t mean KKKarl started this mess, but when he saw it escalating a bit he made a few calls and greased the wheels to make sure they fell off. Funny, three of Bush’s most vocal critics, Dan Rather, Howard Stern and Don Imus…all of CBS….are gone. Have you seen any rightwing jerks losing their jobs lately?
You folks and the dictionary agree with me.
OK, next question. I am one of the editors of the blog but I am 15. Our other editor is 16. Do we tell him to change it? Or leave it up?
What do REAL editors do?
I want justice. I want out of Iraq now. I want no more unprovoked attacks by my country on other countries. I want a Palestinian homeland. I want a president who will do these things and protect Mother Earth, above all.
off topic, this is cute fun and all
think progress;
White House Counsel Fred Fielding, in a letter today, told Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), chairmen of the House and Senate Judiciary committees, that the White House has not budged in its refusal to allow the panels to question several White House aides, including Karl Rove, about what they know regarding the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys, moving the two sides closer to a constitutional battle over the scandal.
Fielding also appears to be trying to head off an attempt by Conyers to obtain e-mails and documents from the Republican National Committee regarding the firings. … Fielding also said that “it was and remains our intention to collect e-mails and documents from those [RNC-controlled] accounts as well as the official White House e-mail and document retention systems” as part of a broader deal with the two committees on staffer testimony.
In a response statement, Conyers was unmoved: “the Judiciary Committee intends to obtain the relevant emails directly from the RNC. The White House position seems to be that executive privilege not only applies in the Oval Office, but to the RNC as well. There is absolutely no basis in law or fact for such a claim.”
MSNBC dumped Michael Savage.
-GSD
snowbird42 >
Go Mr. Conyers, Go !
Just as soon as I finish sharpening my pitch fork I`ll be along to assist.
What a true American.
“Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable” - John F. Kennedy
JSW-I heard the same crap from all the Bobby Knight apologists every time he did something antisocial-”but he donated millions to the library, but he graduates his players, etc etc. Bernie Ebbers, late of Worldcom and the Federal Pen, was an elder in his church. So what?
Imus is the recipient of the karmic blowback for all the people he shit on over the years. And there was plenty of them, and they were all laughing at him while he circled the drain. His employers did him no favors either-if they had suspended him immediately following the remarks, he would probably still have a job. He didn’t have very good PR help either-I mean, Mel Gibson did a better apology than this guy. Once people started digging into the shit he had been saying for years, it was only a matter of time.
God I am so bummed that Steve Gilliard can’t comment on this, get well soon Steve, we need your voice!
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Citizen JSW454:
You just don’t get it, citizen, so let this father of two college women and grandfather of 3 wonderful granddaughters try and clear it up for ya. It doesn’t matter how much money Imus raised for widows, orphans, wounded vets or endangered baby seals…what he said denies everything for which America stands. To sanction his vile and destructive statements as somehow justified by his charitable actions is like saying the murderer is really a good guy and should be pardoned because he has raised lots of money for ___________.
No, JSW, the vile filth that Imus spewed was aimed not just at the Rutgers women, but at my daughters and granddaughters…indeed, his verbal incontinence is an attack on the trust our children have placed in us and the responsibility we have to our history and values.
Enough of this ridiculous cant that Imus is really a “good guy” and does wonderful things…good guys don’t assault the humanity of anyone at any time. And if they do, they issue unqualified apologies and take responsibility for their actions. Imus said those things (and much more), that’s who he is and he must take the consequences.
KEEP THE FAITH AND GET THAT LAME SHIT OUTTA MY HOUSE!!!
For the record I have never called for Imus to be fired or have I said that he was a right winger.
I am also very disturbed about the talk of the FCC setting new standards and I am also upset about ministers telling me what to think or say.
-GSD
SnarKassandra @ 84
I’d say leave it, since you evidently allowed the kid to post it freely…but also make sure he knows it’s the editors who disagreed with him, and that such egregious abuse of facts and definitions will not be tolerated in the future.
From what I hear Ken Lay was a very generous donor to various social causes in Texas.
-GSD
GSD @ 87
That was four years ago and he was not a biggie like Stern or Imus. And he was really new to the TV then. He only lasted a short while on the tube. He is still on radio.
GSD @ 87
Now this is the kind of domino effect I can deal with!
SnarKassandra @ 66
the phrase “concentration camp” means just that, a way to “concentrate” humans for some other purpose. We put the japanese in concentration camps during ww 2, and we are putting some illegal immigrants in them now. do googles for ICE and you’ll find the MSM coverage and i’m sure bloggers have even more.
even “refugee camps” are technically “concentration camps”…one reason the palestinians hate them, IMHO
depending on who/what the replacements are, this means progressive may need to support MSNBC and CBS a bit for getting rid of Imus.
EvilDrPuma @ 95
4 years between dominos is not change for the better.
GSD @ 87
There’s one guy I can’t stand. I met him once while he was out shopping for a garment rack. (Probably to torture someone.) I can assure you he is every bit as revolting in person as he is on the air. I had wondered if his was just an act but it isn’t.
Morris Sheppard @
18
Hallelujah, shams and skanks got the white guy.
Long live the Hypocracy.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 97
they were concentration camps on arrival, they were concentration camps long before they were exterminating people
Rap music is a completely different issue from Don Imus the shock jock. Tackle the issue of rap lyrics on its merits, it is absolutely irrelevant to what Imus said on his radio show other than they both involve black people.
Imus being fired was driven by groups putting pressure on advertisers, because people are truly offended. Imus, for no reason, attacked a group of young women who are doing everything right in their lives—going to college and excelling as athletes. They should be admired, not treated like trash which is what Imus did. Imus is a victim of market forces. The market through these groups decided he crossed a line that couldn’t be forgiven.
EvilDrPuma @ 93
This is what I sent him and then I was his first comment, and that’s where I gave him the 2 dictionary definitions for concentration camp:
GSD @ 91
Dude, yer killin’ me!
Imus is gone. He may have or may not have deserved his fate. I suppose reasonable people
could in good faith argue that round or flat.
I am somewhat taken aback at the selfrighteous glee some seem to be taking in his fall. It seems