
I've been thinking a lot about the Democrats' refusal to take Advice and Consent seriously of late. It's partly to blame for the whole, ugly, USA Purge.
In his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee investigating the USA Purge, Senator Mark Pryor said the following:
Moreover, due to the events of the past Congress, I've given much thought as to what my role as a senator should be regarding executive and judicial nominations. I believe the confirmation process is as serious as antyhing that we do in government. You know my record. I've support almost all of the president's nominations. On occasion, I have felt they were unfairly criticized for political purposes, for when I consider a nominee, I use a three-part test. First, is the nominee qualified?; second, does the nominee possess the proper temperament?; third, will the nominee be fair and impartial — in other words, can they check their political views at the door?
Pryor would have us believe that if a candidate fails his three-part test, then the candidate should not receive confirmation.
And yet, as Pryor himself admitted in this appearance, he himself voted for Alberto Gonzales to serve as Attorney General (and, astonishingly, he said he would vote for him again). Pryor was one of six then-Democrats who supported Gonzales, joining a predictable crowd: Landrieu, Lieberman, both Nelsons, and Salazar. The support of those six defeated any hope of filibuster. As a result, Pryor has only himself (and five colleagues) to blame for the fact that Gonzales ignored Pryor's clearly stated wishes, appointed Tim Griffin to an interim appointment as a way around Senate confirmation hearings, and proceeded to lie to Pryor about the reasons behind Griffin's appointment.
Yet this was the kind of answer that Alberto Gonzales offered in his own confirmation hearing.
Feingold: The question here is what is your view regarding the President's constitutional authority to authorize violations of the criminal law, duly enacted statutes that may have been on the books for many years when acting as Commander in Chief? Does he have such authority? The question you have been asked is not about a hypothetical statute in the future that the President might think is unconstitutional. It is about our laws in international treaty obligations concerning torture. The torture memo answered that question in the affirmative, and my colleagues and I would like your answer on that today. I, also, would like you to answer this: does the President, in your opinion, have the authority, acting as Commander in Chief, to authorize warrantless searches of Americans' homes and wiretaps of their conversations in violation of the criminal and foreign intelligence surveillance statutes of this country?
Judge Gonzales. Senator, the August 30th memo has been withdrawn. It has been rejected, including that section regarding the Commander in Chief's authority to ignore the criminal statutes. So it has been rejected by the executive branch. I, categorically, reject it. And, in addition to that, as I have said repeatedly today, this administration does not engage in torture and will not condone torture. And so what we are really discussing is a hypothetical situation that-
Senator Feingold. Judge Gonzales, I have asked a broader question. I am asking whether, in general, the President has the constitutional authority, at least in theory, to authorize violations of criminal law when there are duly enacted statutes simply because he is Commander in Chief? Does he have that power?
Judge Gonzales. Senator, in my judgment, you have phrased sort of a hypothetical situation. I would have to know what is the national interest that the President may have to consider. What I am saying is it is impossible to me, based upon the questions you have presented to me, to answer that question. I can say that there is a presumption of constitutionality with respect to any statute passed by Congress. I will take an oath to defend the statutes. And to the extent that there is a decision made to ignore a statute, I consider that a very significant decision and one that I would personally be involved with, I commit to you on that, and one I will take with a great deal of care and seriousness.
This is a guy, auditioning to be our top law enforcement office, who would not even give a straight answer as to whether or not the President had to abide by our own laws. As ThinkProgress has documented extensively, Gonzales was already lying to Congress, well before the questions about why he fired 8 USAs arose. No wonder he proceeded to politicize the entire judiciary then lie about it to the Senators trying to get to expose that! Yet, even given such doozies, apparently, Senator Pryor determined that Alberto Gonzales had (and has!) both the proper temperament to be our top law enforcement officer–not to mention the ability to check his political views at the door.
Along with Condi, Gonzales was an exceptionally duplicitous, arrogant nominee. But no matter how obvious the lie, those same wishy-washy Democrats (along with Holy Joe) still approved the nominee. More often than not, a host of Democratic Senators, hoping to appear "reasonable," voted with the likes of Holy Joe.
I know I'm preaching to the choir at FDL. But I think this an appropriate time to remind our Senators (while they're all fired up) that they have a Constitutional duty not to allow themselves to be snookered by such bald-faced lying. Gonzales, Rove, and ultimately Bush are responsible for the politicization of our judiciary. But so are the Democrats who refused to take their oversight role seriously. We're going to be at war with these criminals for two more years. And we've got to make it clear that Senators understand they will be held responsible for this kind of cowardice.
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Emptywheel!
Right place at the right time. Now back to read the post.
Almost zed!
Can we take nominations for a carefully chosen set of Ds for the circular firing squad?
EW!!
They don’t consent to take advice!
There are segments (pols) in my party, the Democratic Party, who intensely displease me.
CBS fired Imus
VIDEO
Imus fired from CBS Radio:
http://tinyurl.com/yswk7s
Marcy,
Must you always bring up painful subjects? This one is particularly painful, because you are right on mark. Our own people let the United States down. Not once, but many times, and the worst was the Patriot Act, followed closely by the War Authorization Act, or whatever it’s called.
We have a lot of work to do.
I will contact my Senators but am skeptical that it will do any good. It seems that Mr. Cornyn and Ms Hutchinson do not have the same perspective on the rule of law as some of us here have. Just saying is all…
I watched Gonzales’s confirmation hearings on C-Span, and I felt sick to my stomach. Much the same way I felt when watching Powell’s selling of the Iraq war to the UN.
The body knows when it is being lied to.
As usual you nail it very succinctly. I am enjoying your book and and trying to re-digest the material from your posts here and on thenexthurrah.
Thanks and keep it up.
Everybody into the woodshed!
Bizarroworld update: This just out on TPMmuckraker…yet another impending document dump either tonight or tomorrow. Wonder what sorts of irrelevant crap they’re about to dump on our heads now? Get ready, get set, get out your reading glasses!!!
Woodhall Hollow @ 11
Amen. We got what our Senators have us, that day.
I never thought I’d see an Attorney General worse than Mitchell, Kleindeinst, Meese, or Ashcroft — and yet here we are!
Is Abu saying here that IF any laws are broken during his tenure, he will make those decisions himself with great care? It seems to me this testimony (while enveiled in a tissue of lies) cooks the Gonzales goose.
These fat-headed enablers of the Bushist Junta are just about out of time to change course. You see….The Citizens of our fair nation are…well, they are pissed! And I say we take names and more than that we let these Democrats-in-Name-Only know we’ve got their number and that we will…
Give money.
Work in the field.
Fight the blogs.
To make absolutely sure that their number will be UP in 2008.
Woodhall Hollow @ 11
Ditto.
I was doing a job interview when Powell was at the U.N., so when I arrived at the offices, I watched the end with the rest of the firm (small hedge fund). They were rapt, they were taken in. Powell finished. I laughed and said you surely don’t believe that garbage do you? We politely went thru the motions of the interview & that was the last we had any contact. Unfortunately, not everyone’s body knows when it is being lied to.
I don’t think we should approve another single one of their nominations until this USA purge/email Giga-gate story is cleared up. And that includes the USA for DC, Gonzales’s former counsel Jeffrey Taylor, who was named by Abu on an interim basis and is up for a confirmation hearing.
On the Clock @ 19
Oh yeah, definitely not Taylor. You read the docudumps and he clearly is a little snitch on his fellow USAs, trying to curry favor with Daddy.
Once Abu G steps down, we make two demands: Comey as AG and someone new as DC USA. Maybe David Kelley.
On the Clock @ 19
What are the unintended consequences of this? Does that mean that the second or third in command hack gets full rein to wreak havoc? BTW, what about those, like Griffin, who were slipped in under the new Pat Act? Any way to get rid of them?
On the Clock @ 19
Screeching halt is fine by me. With all this work to do figuring out their obstruction of justice, illegal deletion of emails, dismissal of USAttorneys and promotion of those who will OBEY — how can the Judiciary Committee be expected to act on any nominations?
Don’t forget the dems (including Gore) approved Scalia and Clarence Thomas, despite obvious questions about their judicial philosophies, and fitness for the bench.
I just have to say. My Senator, Mark Pryor, is an idiot! He is a clone of Joe Lieberman. Pryor will support an end to net neutrality as well as any and all neo or theo assaults on our constitution. He must be replaced by Arkansas voters, even if it’s by a Republican.
Ahem, now back to our regularly scheduled scrutiny.
Does the newly restore 120-day clock for interim appointments apply to those interims appointed under the dark-of-night Patriot Act amendment (Griffin, et al)?
sparrowgal @ 14
Beard was reporting that the docu-dump was to occur in a matter of hours.
TeddySanFran @ 16 says
Kinda sad when he’s so incompetent one is almost nostalgic for someone like Mitchell or Kleindeist. They may have been crooks, but at least they had SOME competence, unlike our Abu.
I can hear the opposing argument now – That it’s the President’s prerogative, and that advice and consent is merely a formality.
I disagree with that cop-out of course, as I agree with you that we’ve been far too lax and accommodative (It was Bush’s PERSONAL lawyer for feck’s sake), but in a combative atmosphere, where everything is politicized, can you withhold authorization without being successfully labeled obstructionist by the lazy media?
Do we need to give the President enough rope to hang himself?
As I ponder that, I am thinking about how lucky we are that this bunch of criminals is so inept. They have used their power to infiltrate and corrupt everything, and only their incompetence have soured the public.
In other words, if they hadnt been so spectacularly bad at managing, their illegal tricks may have rewarded them with a life-time majority from which we may have never recovered. That terrifies me.
Eureka Springs @ 24
Arkansans should find a primary challenger for Pryor. He’s a detriment. But he does vote with us to organize, and in 2009, we might be close to 60.
And what of the Demos who voted to confirm our AG?
Really good post EW. I think Gonzo was so smug during the confirmation hearings, because he knew he would probably have ended up in a recess appointment if not confirmed. The fact that Democrats could not see what was happening at the time still puzzles me. We just have to keep shining the light on these guys, and let the chips fall where they may. I truly think they are caught in their own web; the question is how to reel them in and quickly. My nightmare is if the majority in the Senate was to suddenly reverse. That is why justice must be swift and effective.
Sounds to me like Abu has something on Senator Pryor.
The muck reports that Karl personally deleted his email from the SERVERS. Fitz????????
This is why people will buy into conspiracy theories, it’s better then admitting that your senator is a PoS that would approve a ham sandwich. Although I am starting to believe more and more that the RNC has pictures of scum lilke Lieberman with either a dead hooker or a live boy, or both. It would explain alot, especially Sen. Cloeman from Minn.
Perhaps it’s time to clean both ‘houses’ of governmant. Republican and Democratic. Where is it written in the Constitution we must be confined to a two party government?
Eureka Springs @
24
Casting my vote against Senator Torture is the only reason I would consider voting for a republican. But I think in this case it would be justified. Let’s hope the Dems can come up with someone else in 08.
Disgusted in Arkansas
LS @ 31
You know, you have a point! Who would’ve thunk that Bush would have the nerve to do such a thing…but after the recent withdrawing and then interim appointment of Fox the Swift boat funder, nothing would surprise me. On second thought, I used to say that during the Reagan years and I was proved wrong.
Our government is a mess, and I’m sick of it.
A commenter on TPM speculated that the RNC is throwing Rove under the bus because of the “server” deletion. CNN is beginning to speculate. Maybe Rove’s getting Imus’d.
LS @ 39
Not holding my breath. Yet.
I think it’ll happen. After all–it’s not like “Rove’s numbers” added up last year. A third of the caucus would like to go ballistaic, anti-immigrant. Another third wants their old GOP back. And another third will stop nothing short of a Theocracy. Rove wants none of those things.
But not yet.
Josh at TPM sent a question to Hiatt at WaPo about why Liz Cheney was not identified as the daughter of Dick:
If emails for the Palme affair were on the RNC server and not produced under supoena, can Fitgerald go after a few other people for perjury?
And let’s not forget the fine days work the following Dems did when they refused to support a filibuster of strip search Sammy Alito:
Akaka, Baucus, Bingaman, Byrd, Cantwell, Carper, Conrad, Dorgan, Inouye, Johnson, Kohl, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, both Nelsons, Rockefeller, Salazar and Pryor.
The attempt to mount a filibuster was a defining moment, and very instructional on who was ready to stand up for principle, and who was looking to cover ass. I took a complete dislike to Obama at this time – though he supported the filibuster, he did so reluctantly, pausing on the way on Sunday talking head shows to trash and denigrate his own party. Leiberman came out as the loathesome snake he is. Biden? Clinton? Joined the filibuster to protect their future presidential runs. Harkin? Didn’t vote. Reid? Wanted to smooth things over.
We had a good handful of Senators show true colors – strength against overwhelming odds and turncoat party members. Kennedy, Kerry, Leahy, Jeffords, Menendez, Feinstein, Boxer, who else? Durbin. I’m missing some who deserve to remembered for that day.
OT:
Fred Hiatt, feminist.
LS @ 39
Would the RNC be legally responsible even if Rove deleted them? Or do you think they deleted them and are just putting the blame in Rove? Where are they exposed in all this?
LS @ 39
Well, it would be in their own self-interest. If they want to win ANY contested elections in 2008, they will be putting as much air between themselves and Rove/Bush as possible.
I wonder whether Hagel is being courted as a real Daddy to run in ‘08. A 21st century Ford.
noen @ 45
I think we’ll see a ‘clarification” and rolling back of the initial comments once they come up with a cover story.
John Tully @ 8
Good! Now we have some figurative ammo for the next time the likes of Limbaugh, Coulter, or Malkin shoot their mouths off.
Marcy you are a shining diamond in a field of jewels.
Conyers letter to RNC today about E-mails. They want them by the 20th this month: Conyers/Sanchz letter to RNC April 12th
I think we may be in for a time of Great Social Change™, that will rival even the upheaval of the late 1960s. Will be interesting to see the outcome, I feel somewhat hopefull while believing we’ll have a difficult few years ahead.
noen @ 45
If their servers were used for an illegal activity, like say obstruction of justice, they might be considered accessories to the crime. I don’t think that would make the GOP very happy, do you?
Didn’t Conyers just add a few legals for investigations? I had this thought. Begin formal impeachment inquiries across the board of USA’s. [Yes, including Fitz.] Sorta ‘gum-to-death/in good faith’ in reverse strategy. Find out EVERYTHING in everyone’s portfolio. Weed out the obvious transgressors.
A little more extreme than just holding up confirmations, but perhaps necessary.
COuld be the only compreshensive legal overview/oversight mechanism.
Just a thought…
It would make ME very, very happy.
Noen 45,
It seems to me that the RNC is vulnerable to zero credibility if they are ultimately seen as complicit by their followers (many trusting religious types) in enabling Rove and his minions to use their organization and their money for illegal and deceptive purposes. Just my humble opinion.
I think it’s important to remember the flip side of this – Republicans have never shied away from voting against Dem appointments for purely political reasons. That said, Abu G was one of those cynical, they-can’t-vote-against-him-cuz-he’s-hispanic nominations. Not to mention that he was W’s poodle. And EW is right – Dem’s had lost their mojo.
Because really, how hard is it to say, when you’re up for Attorney General, that the just laws, fairly enforced, are the cornerstone of this country, and that your job as AG is to enforce tham, and to guide your colleagues in the administration to follow them religiously.
Well, given how serious these guys are about religion, maybe another word is better.
Wow, AZMatt, we must be parallel processing today….
Thank you, Marcy, for another great post. I had forgotten (or never noticed) that Pryor was one of the Democratic Senators who voted to confirm “Fredo” (as W calls him).
Then Rove thanks him by sending one of his assistant hatchet boys to Little Rock as US Attorney. What fitting irony (even though the rest of Arkansas and the United States are the true victims of this Rethuglican political crime).
I hope there’s a good Democrat to contest this dipshit when he comes up for re-election.
LS @ 55
Those types simply don’t trust the MSM – and the GOP yells “gay Marriage!” and they come running back to the fold…
Brisingamen @ 52
And the perennial question: “What did they know and when did they know it?”
Mutant Poodle 59 –
Haggart
TeddySanFran @ 57
Could be a California thing.
EW – in response to below thread request for a link
Cheney’s Plame counsel being Emmet Flood, see this Informed Comment http://www.juancole.com/2006/0…..power.html
from Sept 2, 2006 and in the comments they cite to an earlier San Fran Chronicle article I can’t pull up directly
From a WaPo Kamen piece in Feb of this year:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01242.html
From a NCTimes article today
http://www.nctimes.com/article….._11_07.txt
Waxman wants answers on White House contract with MZM
…
I haven’t gone to check to make sure he hasn’t withdrawn as counsel in the Plame case, but I don’t think he has.
My vote goes to the candidate with the cajones to publicly state:
“I will lead the repeal of the Patriot Act, the War Authorization Act and reinstate Habeas Corpus within the first 30 days in office!”
Anyone? Anyone?
LS @ 39
Only in our dreams.
Rove is Bush’s Brain.
The last two left in the bunker will be Turdblossom and the Boy King.
jeanette @ 36
Welcome to the lake, jeanette! He was also, iirc, the only D Senator to vote against troop withdrawl week before last. Because he wants to devlop a secret plan with the President. ~yea right~
A lot of people keep going on about how this white house is dumb,inept etc.
Excuse me, but most of them are lawyers and a lot of them have been involved in deep dark shit for years. Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and *others* have years of tricks, lies and there are bodies lying around. Bush grew up in the house of the head of the CIA etc. These people are darker, far more knowledgeable and capable of stuff most people wouldn’t even be aware of.
Dangerous yes, Stupid no. Nobody should under- estimate any of them. They know the tricks, they have the money and they have the contacts on the dark-side.
Mary 4
Thanks muchly.
1,483 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
“But I think this is an appropriate time to remind our senators (while they’re all fired up) that they have a constitutional duty not to let themselves be snookered by such bald-faced lying.”
The way we remind ‘em is by keepin’ the sharp stick in close proximity to their posteriors and the blow torch to their feet. We must be mad as hell and tell ‘em so…this is a perfect storm brewin’ and we’re approachin’ the waterfall in this watershed. The next elections will expose more fascists than Democrats and even the DINOs and fellow travelers will hafta respond to angry constituents…yes, even in Arkansas!!
So let’s not waste time giving patient civics lessons to our elected leadership and let’s remember we won the right to demand fealty by the results of the last election cycle. And let’s not get bogged down in cultivating votes or counting noses to get the support of the DINOs and vulnerable Republicans, that’s the job of Leahy, Waxman, Conyers, Pelosi and Reid. We need to fire our shots across the bows of the leadership and tell ‘em ta do their jobs.
KEEP THE FAITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND DON’T ASK…DEMAND!!!
TeddySanFran @
16
He has done exactly what he said he would. He didn’t lie. They very carefully broke laws under his direction. The question is who will stop him? KagroX as usual sums it up:
Allan 65,
Or; W, Laura, and the 2 dogs.
Mary4 63,
Wow.
Okay, just how many of you are in your bathrobe in your efficiency apartment?
(My senator is a bigger idjit than yours; I live in Alaska)
hi Rev!
… Ever thought what an amazing act of projection it is, for the Boy King to be nicknaming Abu as “Fredo?”
Back to the RNC–I am still amazed that they actually admitted publicly that they personally blocked Rove from deleting his own emails.
They are signaling that they knew they couldn’t trust him.
Next election cycle, we have got to be ready to primary the paleo Dems–
Lieberman, 2 Nelsons, Landrieu, Salazar, Pryor.
They are every bit as much part of the problem as the worst GOP Senators.
One of the things I couldn’t understand about Michael Brown’s role in Katrina was the ease with which he sailed through confirmation. It was then that the importance of “advice and consent” was really brought home to me – choosing bad people for the job can have serious real-world consequences.
Our own Holy Joe played a starring role in that fiasco, which to me was full justification to oppose his reelection even aside from his war stance.
On the broader topic of oversight: if those “missing” emails ever turn up, the WH is toast. Five million emails make 18 minutes look pretty small by comparison, and I have little doubt that there are some hair-incinerating moments in there. The emails do exist, but the question is, as usual, who controls the physical access to the servers and backup archives in question, and will the dems be allowed to do a full scale forensic inquiry as would be done in a real criminal inquiry? My cynicism wants to tell me those emails will end up the same place as Bush’s TANG record. But maybe this time, it’s just too big to bury.
I just don’t think there is a Dem with big enough juevos to nail Gonzalez, who is being set up as a “high value” target.
Rove and his Boy Emperor are waiting until they think the enemy will be satisfied with Gonzalez’ head to put all this behind them.
Meanwhile, the Dems will experience what the dog does when he finally catches one of those cars he’s been chasing with this scenario:
Defiance of subpoenas will require the full House and or Senate to authorize the Sargent at Arms to arrest one or more of Our Benighted Emperor’s zombies – say, Goodling.
Then there will be a battle in Court over the power to arrest or not. Then OBN (Our Benighted Emperor) will call on all his political hack judges to consolidate his extra-Constitutional power, and they will.
One step closer to consolidating our Fascist Corporate States of America.
We are simply too far down the path of corporate money control to devolve back into a democracy.
Then OBN will have sparked the perpetual war with Iran, and his Messianic ass will have what he lusts for: Perpetual Oil Wars which will enrich Exxon, Haliburton and the House of Saud beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.
So, why all the fuss? Dems are completely powerless to change the inevitable.
And how much projection was it when he nicknamed Rove “Turdblossom”?
RevDeb @ 69
But they don’t have the power, not completely and not veto over riding power.
And besides, they are too busy stuffing their pockets with campaign money to do any menial crap like hold hearings. There are no big moneyed contributers at senate hearings.
Sorta off topic, but:
It would be nice to have a few more D senators support Feingold’s censure the Prez resolution, imho.
Supposedly a DOJ docu-dump tonight or tomorrow is coming, about 1,000 pages worth.
Puesto 78,
Nah.
Emptywheel!
6 posts over at The Next Hurray already today, and now this? You’re on a roll!!! I don’t know how you do it. You go, girl!!!
Bob in HI
UMich ‘73
Go Blue!
Ahgoo @ 72
Well my Senator is Amy Klobuchar so there. neener.
Who exactly is orchestrating these document dumps? Someone in the DOJ seems to want justice. I think there are a lot of pre-Bushies in there who are sick of putting up with this crap and take their careers seriously. That is what I hope anyway.
E-Springs at 66 -
I believe he (Pryor) voted against it – the pro withdrawal amendment – before he voted for it – the final bill to be offered for the House/Senate Joint bill reconcilliation discussions (which OBN – Our Benighted Emperor – is now pitching a hissy fit about and getting his size 3 undies in a wad about “Send me a bill NOW so I can veto it”.)
Get it?
“If I find any member of my administration
has played around with his e-mails, I will….
George Bush, April 12th
Puesto @ 79
Like Margaret Mead said, ” There is no reason to suppose that thoughtful committed citizens can alter the course of history, in fact it is the only that has” (Sorry the quote is off the top of my head and on old course syllibus for Anthropology not immediately to hand)
Mark Pryor’s support of the broadcast flag and a tiered internet speaks to his support of the corporate over the consumer.
He doesn’t understand that when you buy a CD or a service from a satellite or cable provider you also purchase rights to fairly use that product or service. He supports giving your inherent control of the media you buy to Sony, Disney, and their MPAA/RIAA sockpuppets.
Code Pink and Raging Grannies protest at Dianne Feinstein’s house (great photos).
Blank Kludge @ 82
Feingold should talk to Hagel..
ATTORNEY PURGE UPDATE TPM !!!!
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..013606.php
smapdi @ 90
Then you’re gonna hate this:
DNC appoints RIAA shill to run Public Affairs for convention
elrod @ 77
Lieberman’s toast. He won last year on his 18 year relationship with CT voters, which gave him some strange type of crdibility, which he’s completely pissed away. My hunch is he retires rather than get the boot he’d surely get if he ran.
TPM Muckraker is reporting that Conyers is all over the Wisconsin case. Josh has a good video up on TPM pulling it all together…dates and all!
TeddySanFran @ 29
Wasn’t he one of the two voting “NO” on the Iraq Supplemental?
Fitz “If information comes to light or if new information comes forward that warrants further investigation, we will do that. The case is now inactive. We are going back to our day jobs.”
Those are great pictures of the raging grannies. I have been amazed at how long Sen Feinsteins conflict of interest issue took to come to light.
Puesto @ 88
Yesterdays AR newspaper: Pryor’s secret plan
Blank Kludge @
82
Dem and Repub and Indy should ALL support it.
Hi Teddy!
Gotta go cook some dinner. Mr. Rev. is getting a little tired of me talking at the teevee. The rethugs are oh so grateful for Imus sucking up all the O2 on the news. I am oh so tired of it!!!!! Somehow I don’t think that Imus’ career is more important than the high crimes and misdemeanors that the admin. is committing day after day, after day, after . . . .
Back in a while.
Neon at 81 et al;
The operative phrase here is “Who is going to stop him?”
The only time this madman, like his predecessor in Imperial Madness – Nixon – will be stopped is when powerful members of his own party turn on him.
And, they won’t because he has managed to control all the money – read, campaign money resources.
Why do you think McCain keeps acting like a two-bit Ho? Campaign money – It WILL go to the candidate that is seen as most likely to protect corporatist America.
And, the people are too busy playing video games and watching Anna Nicole Smith’s tits – And Tom Cruises’ “package” – to bother.
Money wins in the end…. Always.
We go down the road so far until the loud mouth idealists sell themselves for the corporate dream. Money. Europe has been watching us do this for years, and the see us objectively.
Ahgoo @ 73
Not me..a university library filled with International students. Even if you were in your bathrobe or bathroom who cares
Noen @ 95
I sure am glad the DNCC sends me all those pre-addressed return envelopes. I now have a use for all of them. I wonder how long it will take for me to be stricken from their mailing lists.
Schumer and Feinstein are in the RIAA’s pocket too.
How does it go?
Attack ATTACK AAATTTTAAACCCCKKKKK!!!!
We’ve got dem senators and congresscritters who are from red states and who vote the way they do because it’s the only way they can get re-elected. Putting “pressure” on em won’t do any good that I can see- and running a progressive candidate against em in a primary will result in either:
1) A loss for the progressive in the primary
or
2) A loss of the seat to a gooper.
There are certainly a few exceptions where we have a very conservative dem in a pretty blue state (Lieberman) but on the whole- I don’t see any upside in tilting at those particular windmills. Course it never hurts to threaten I guess.
That echo you hear is Pryor talking out of both sides of his mouth.
How did they come up with the number of 5 million emails are missing? Is that just a number pulled out of their hat? Who came up with the number and how did they determine it?
emptywheel @
40
I want to see Rove on the witness stand, charged with obstruction of justice, and perjury. Being cross-examined by Patrick Fitzgerald. I want to see his face get red, and beads of sweat on his forehead. And I want the cross-examination to take a very long time. Long enough maybe for him to realize that crime does not pay, and that bad behavior has consequences.
And then I want to see him sentenced for a very long time to, say, Ft. Leavenworth, or maybe San Quentin. To prove that no one is above the law. And to save our American Democracy.
Bye Bye, KKKarl.
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 108
They know exactly how many they put on that backup drive in the closet.
ouch! http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..nchez-usa/
TeddySanFran @ 92
Was amazing to me how long it took for Feinstein to be put under the do you have blood on your hands spotlight.
http://www.metroactive.com/feinstein/
http://mpinkeyes.wordpress.com…..orruption/
And then I want to see him sentenced for a very long time to, say, Ft. Leavenworth, or maybe San Quentin. To prove that no one is above the law. And to save our American Democracy.
I’d like to see him at Corcoran State Prison in California, where correction officers shoot first and ask questions later.
Speaking of Rove and obstruction. I had high hopes that Fitz would go and brief Conyers.
But I am wondering if Fitz, always patient and squeaky clean, decided to sit back and wait for congress to flush out more info so that he could then go after Rove and Cheney. If he had gone to Conyers, he would’ve been labeled partisan, something which he has successfully avoided like the plague.
I would guess he not only had inklings about the fired US atty scandal (things like that get around, someone is always willing to gossip and I bet Comey still keeps track of things inside DOJ) and Rove’s role, and likely suspected the RNC email accounts, but couldn’t figure out how to get his hands on them…
emptywheel @ 20
From your keyboard to Leahy’s modem!
Bob Schacht @ 109
I still want to see Rove dropped down in the middle of Baghdad with Cheney, Bush, Libby etc butt ass naked. Let the Iraqi people do what they want with these warmongers.
Run for it guys!
Don’t think about this too much. I hope this image does not end up in your dreams..I mean nightmares
noen — thanks for that, I just cancelled my (pittance) monthly DNC Democracy Bond. Don’t want to risk my pennies going to pay that shill’s salary.
kathleen @ 111
Censored.org put out a newsletter last week that spotlighted Feinstein. That is probably it’s origin.
RevDeb @ 102
Sounds like your spouse, like mine, though Liberal (how else could he be married to U?), might have a case of “normaloia” — which someone recently defined as believing that “It Will All Be OK” when in fact the nation is in great peril. Hang in, you’re right, the FirePups gotcher back.
asked this downstairs, more appropriate up here;
there are over 5 million emails missing
isn’t that 5 million counts against the act and 5 million crimes?
quite a bargaining chip no?
E-Springs at 88:
In the Spring of 1968 Lyndon Johnson, facing the tipping point for anti-Vietnam War sentiment, announced he would not run for President that year. This gave rise to the Nixon issue which eventually assured his victory in the Fall – The Secret Plan to End The War.
What it was, was to start peace talks, bomb the shit out of Hanoi, Cambodia, etc. Then declare victory and leave… never acknowledging defeat.
Now, this may be what Our Benighted Emperor – OBE – has in mind by August or September.
Or, he may be starting the drum beat to get Turkey to start fighting the Kurds in the North, while we fight the Shiite Theocracy on the Eastern flank. He knows we cannot engage in an ordinary war with Iraq’s 70 million – VERY NATIONALISTIC – people. So, he will have a perpetual proxy war which he will “let out of the bottle” so that a successor – McCain – will not be able to stuff it back in.
Meantime, the House of Saud, House of Halliburton, House of Carlisle Group and the House of Exxon continue to pump oil as fast and profitable as they can for the next 15 or 20 years, making sure Americans are scared to death about “Iranian Nukes.”
This is how megalomaniacs have always worked and are working now.
LS @ 87
That’s exactly it. The Bushies can’t get rid of ALL of the competent ones — they need them to run things. But the competent ones had to wait until the Democrats had subpoena power before they could come out.
Don’t you just wish for the good old days when presidents got impeached for giving blow jobs and attorney general nominees didn’t get approved for failing to pay social security for their nannies? (And after listening to Zoe Baird’s testimony as to all the hoops they went through TRYING to pay, I ended up appalled at the government process and amazed that the Bairds had persisted in finding a way for the amount of time they did.)
The Feinstein thing worries me. We cannot afford to lose a Dem Senator or the oversight will slow down or stop.
Immunity for Monica Goodling? TIME has rumors:
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..rss-nation
TeddySanFran @
117
It’s important to let them know why you are withdrawing your support. Tell them.
LS @ 124
Ignoring it would be much worse, don’t you think?
The damage was already done by the time Gonzo got there; it was Ashcroft that gutted the recruitment policy.
Suzanne @ 108
here
website shaky, CREW says, due to “unusually high volume of traffic” whether because our side is interested, or Rover’s minions are attacking, who knows?
Woodhall Hollow @ 114
This is one of the things Fitz said during his press conference after the Libby jury verdict.
Fitz
“If information comes to light or if new information comes forward that warrants further investigation, we will do that. The case is now inactive. We are going back to our day jobs.”
aReader @ 124
Good! (no pun intended) She is small fry in her own way, but she knows an awful lot about the her higher ups. Someone has to be forced to testify, and she is a good place to start. I doubt that, at her age, she will want to ruin her life by lying to congress while under immunity.
kathleen @ 112
She managed to get through her 11/7 re-election, but things are starting to come to a boil, I’d say.
Eureka Springs @ 127
Feinstein is not going anywhere at least for now. Remember there are plenty of Democrats more honest than Feinstein in California
And oh yeah, it would be wondrous if Monica were granted immunity just before Abu’s date with Leahy…would ruin all his hard rehearsal work!
LS @ 124
There is oversight? Do I have my constitutional rights back?
I do understand you though and I agree that it is worrying. Building a party that represents us will take time.
One thing you can say for Code Pink and the Raging Grannies they are not playing a partisan game.
Eureka Springs @ 127
I agree totally, but it still worries me when I think about the really big picture.
I don’t know where the 5 million email but if you divided it up evenly among the 50 supposed users that would 100,000 per user or 45 per day everyday for the last 6 years. Busy, busy, busy. When did they find the time to wreck the government?
Emptywheel:
This Goodling immunity thingy has come back around. Whadda ya think? We were discussing this last week on a thread here at FDL. I can’t remember what you said.
noen @ 126
I was surprised the DNC website didn’t prompt me for the reason why; I sent an email on their form and will send one separately as well.
Needs some inspiration? Something uplifting?
cnn’s front page reminds us that;
“Elizabeth Edwards in her first live prime-time interview since her cancer came back. She tells Larry about her will to fight it – and to stay in the race with her husband.”
Governor Corzine hit by a car and being medivac’d. They say it is not life threatening.
Woodhall Hollow @ 131
Isn’t she a grad of Pat Robertson’s Law school? I mean, how likely is it that she would start telling the truth now? She drank the Kool-Aid long ago.
noen @ 143
Immunity is always contingent on telling the truth. If you don’t, the immunity rug gets yanked
kathleen @ 136
CBS5 covered their treks up and down Broadway in Pacific Heights, dragging their 15-foot Ghandi statue on wheels, going from DiFi’s house to camp out at the Speaker’s at night. Lots of unhappy rich neighbors in Pacific Heights, apparently.
Pacifica @ 123
Yeah the good ole days. When a Republican controlled congress voted to impeach a standing President for lies under oath about a B/J yet a Republican controlled congress could not muster the chutzpah to even investigate an INTELLIGENCE SNOWJOB or much else.
2006 Time’s up!
We should be asking our week kneed leaders how they could vote to confirm Gen. Patraeus knowing he was a bush yes man and would simply drag this war out. While Gonzo was confirmed under the old congress, Patraeus was confirmed under the Democrats and I never understood why there was no dissent on his confirmation.
TeddySanFran @ 145
Well, as we all know. This story and Imus getting fired are the only two matters of import happening today…. right?
Breaking News CNN
Gov. Jon Corzinne’s motor cade involved in an accident. He’s been injured and flown to a hispital, but life not threatened.
Well, the kool aid reference is interesting as it refers to Jonestown. As it turns out, many of those who died tried to avoid the mass suicide and were held down and forcibly injected. A few managed to escape. By which I mean, drinking kool aid is not necessarily the act of a suicidal true believer…but a form of murder.
If she is granted immunity, she better fess up. And her high powered lawyers will make damn sure she does. If they don’t, they are also in trouble as officers of the court.
Patraeus
Well- any general Clusterfuck appointed was going to be someone willing to prosecute his policy…can’t see how refusing to confirm him would have gotten us anywhere-
If dems are going to stop the war, they need to have the votes to stop funding it. They don’t have those votes- so we’re set for two years of political gamesmanship.
As a life-long Arkansawyer I hang my head in shame at the conduct of our two current Senators, Pryor and Lincoln, and their inability to represent the interests of the majority of the people in our state. Pryor votes for the Patriot Act and confirming every jerk the White House wants to put into a federal job. Lincoln votes to end the estate tax to give her campaign contributing Wal-Mart heirs their moneys worth. My only fear is the Republicans who would replace them. I have seen the people that party has run against my congressman Vic Snyder and they have been frightening. I am tired of holding my nose when voting for our Senators, especially after having had outstanding ones like Pryor’s dad, Dale Bumpers, Fulbright, etc. My Senators and their actions are forcing me to support third party candidates who do not really have a chance of being elected. So be it. As I wrote earlier this week this is Day 107 of Gonzales’ gum job on Pryor over the Griffin appointment (just like it was spelled out in Kyle Sampson’s memo that was supposedly rejected). Hey, Senator Pryor, how do you like the gum job? Especially since it appears that you are giving it instead of getting it?
I wasn’t trying to be quit so gruesome. Today, drinking the kool aid simply means that you are a delusional true believer. Nothing more.
It’s nice to hear that she will be required to divulge what she knows. Thank you.
Monica Goodling immunity talk confirmed by NBC’s Mike Viqueira
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com…..42934.aspx
The House Judiciary Committee is “strongly considering” offering former DoJ official Monica Goodling immunity in exchange for her testimony in the U.S. Attorney matter, according to one very solid congressional source.
Woodhall Hollow @ 131
Sorry to bust one’s dreams, but the article also says it takes a 2/3 majority of the committee to offer her an immunity deal.
I’m not sure how many are on the committee, but at least 2 or 3 repugs would be required.
And, these GOoPers actually believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with mixing political parties and policy. They reason “We were elected, and are expected to brandish all available party tools to protect the Messiah. After all, we’re saving unborn babies and saving our children from queers.”
kathleen @ 104 Not me..a university library filled with International students. Even if you were in your bathrobe or bathroom who cares
Sounds like a wonderful place to be. Brian Williams believes bloggers are anyone with a Modem, an Opinion and in a Bathrobe.
Have the mobs taken back the truth yet?
It’s probably worth offering limited immunity to the gooper if she has anything to offer- should be negotiated with her attorneys- and they should see what she’s got first.
Woodhall Hollow @ 150
No disrespect intended, BUT “officers of the court” simply means it is legalized lying, as opposed to the other kind.
lolo @ 111
The lawyers are busy..busy…busy
rwcole @ 151
Then the same could be said of any Att. Gen. nominee bush put up which makes this all an exercise in futility doesn’t it?
hey Empty!
y’all seen this ?
Conyers writes a letter to RNC . . .that includes an interest in e mail traffic between RNC and USA Milwaukee
tee-hee
damn lolo, I see yours upthread :)
TPM
Wow, that two-thirds requirement to grant immunity really puts the JComm ‘pugs on the spot, doesn’t it? I did not know that, and I relish a rollcall vote.
rwcole @ 151
That is one reading.
Another is that things change. Situations change and the electorate has a way of pressuring even staunch GOPers. You know, some of them might want to get re-elected once more in their lives.
Once GW vetoes the Dem proposal and what with more hearings on the crimes of the GOP, some of them might come around. Don’t give up so easily. In politics, change is a constant.
Tired, here, of David Gregory’s questions framed from an Imus-apologist perspective. Why take that tack, David, when your lad is off the air?
Puesto @ 155
If it is true that the RNC is signaling that they are ready to throw Rove under the bus (& I would bet dollars to donuts that he has earned some serious enmity among that crowd), then it is not too far a stretch to imagine that some goopers would be willing to cut their losses and try to become the next Howard Baker. It has gotten so bad that it is each man or woman for him or herself.
I mean look at the turn-around made by snarlin Specter. He knows he is in a swing state and could be very vulnerable if he doesn’t clean up his act and fast.
Ahgoo @ 156
Sounds like a wonderful place to be. Brian Williams believes bloggers are anyone with a Modem, an Opinion and in a Bathrobe.
Have the mobs taken back the truth yet?
The Msm is petrified, they take a shot at the bloggers whenever they can. They created bloggers by not reporting the news straight up.
Curious, will Fredo be showing up on April 17 or will he be sending a potted plant instead.
“same could be said”
Well- maybe.
The issues, I suppose, are:
Is the person qualified?
Is the person objective enough to do the job?
Does the person have the character necessary to do the job.
In the case of the general, I gather that all the answers were “yes”- so there were really no grounds for voting against him other than opposing the president’s war policy.
Gonzalez, on the other hand, fails every one of the test question.
Puesto @ 158
I know that — but an attorney cannot put a client on the stand if he or she KNOWS Monica is lying. Conyers would make sure that Monica’s lawyers had access to just enough documentation to create a firewall in that respect. Yeah, its a game, but if it is played well, an attorney will be forced to do the right thing.
On Goodling and a possible immunity offer.
I believe the case law spells out that she is admitting guilt, in essence, if she takes a deal.
A question: Does she have the right to turn down a “use” immunity offer?
Or, can they simply make the formal offer and she is then stuck testifying?
TeddySanFran @ 164
Imus has suffered the consequences of his actions. Will Bush ever?
Hugh @
138
Well, rumor has it that KKKarl is ALWAYS on his crackberry. Which means to me that he’s probably good for a 150-200 per day by his ownself.
Puesto @ 170
I think she can be cited for contempt if she tried to go down that road.
Eureka Springs @
66
I’ve already figured out I can’t trust him farther than I could pick him up and throw him. He voted for the recent funding bill only because his vote wouldn’t matter if he voted against it. I e-mail him and Blanche both on a regular basis but I know that it’s just spitting into the wind as far as he’s concerned.
noen
Oh I haven’t given up. I think that Clusterfuck bought himself 6-9 months with his “surge” and that if it stinks by Sept or so- goopers will start gettin off the hellbound train. It’s all a matter of time. I have felt that this war will certainly be on it’s way to oblivion by the time the polls open for the 08 elections.
Check out this petition, but please do not sign it.
http://www.johnmccain.com/invo…..t=petition
Sign this one for the release of BBC’s Alan Johnston
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6518185.stm
RichardCA @ 167
The acting AG will show up and defer answering because of the shakeup that caused an acting AG to be necessary.
Looks like immunity power is granted upon 2/3 vote of Senate committee — full Senate vote not required.
Also, the committee “does not need the approval of the Attorney General, although she is entitled to ten days’ notice [6005(b)(3)] and may defer the issuance of any order for up to 20 days [6005(c)]. This procedure allows the Department of Justice time to insulate its evidence if Congress is going to grant immunity. Typically, of course, a congressional committee confers with the Department of Justice so as not to jeopardize a pending case.”
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/rel…..o.797.html
So, looks like AG cannot block immunity offered by Senate. IANAL.
dakine01 @ 172
Don’t forget: Bush has used “The Google”.
CNN…
Imus at Rutgers, now
Maybe the Godfather (Kissinger) wants W to replace Rove with the new “War Czar”, since Iraq is literally blowing up. Besides W doesn’t care about political advice anymore. Hadley is out shopping around. Maybe they’re going to dump Condi too…no, maybe W is dumping himself and moving to Paraguay. This stuff would actually be hilarious were there not patriotic soldiers condemned to perpetual war by these thugs.
What is up with that War Czar thingy?
TeddySanFran @ 164
Because he can’t believe that MSNBC and CBS had the audacity to fire his good buddy, I-Man. I started to watch the first showing of Hardball earlier and flipped over to M*A*S*H before I threw something through the TV screen when he started his apologia.
LS @ 181
Jeb for War Czar!
4:20 here
LS @ 181
It’s called Finding a Pet (Scape)Goat.
Badwater @ 183
That would be it for me. I’d pack my little sack, attach it to a stick, and leave – oh, wait…where to go?
Badwater @ 183
If chimpy made lieberman war czar, would that make him a DINO-Czar?
LS @ 181
The dauphin fancies himself emperor.
dakine01 @
182
I think Imus’s buddies are real shook up, which is where I want them. But his tone with the Congresspeople prompted an email from me to his boss, Dan Abrams.
Badwater @ 179
Are you saying he has googled his own sef? That would mean he would have to read something.
Or, since he has admitted he doesn’t read, maybe he had one of his evangelical fundies google “Bush Messiah Armageddon God“
Badwater @ 171
Magic 8 Ball: Future Uncertain. Try again later.
twolf1 @ 187
That was baaad, really bad, congratulations!
LS said
Sure undermines the whole Commander in Decider meme..
Badwater @ 183
“Jeb for War Czar” I love it! He’s probably dumb enough to take it.
Here’s a clip of the Decider himself:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..he-google/
noen @ 192
George Bush, Tyrant-czar-us Wrecks
Conyers HOUSE JComm is considering immunity, no? Senate JComm rules same or different?
Looks like Wolfowitz is toast!
Puesto @
170
Immunity for Badling (or perhaps Mediocling) is an interesting thought. What would she be getting immunity from? Isn’t her claim that she is in a purgery trap. But if that’s the case, it seems like there is a catch-22 since immunity normally is contingent on full and truthful testimony isn’t it. I think immunity is a red herring. I may be wrong here but I think that if the committee really wants to hear from her her blanket claim to 5′th amendment privileges will not hold up. Such topics as: Did you set up person X to mis-lead congress, or questions that could lead to that conclusion might within the scope of 5′th amendment protection but the purgery trap claim won’t hold up in any court that is following the law and it looks like there are still 5 on SCOTUS who have some care for the law.
So unless she offering something really really juicy I don’t think there will be any deal with her.
kdh22 @ 138
I remain agnostic at best (and TIme says it is informal at this point). First of all, we know that GOodling has been adminsitering loyalty oaths. Why not charge her with something, then make her plea bargain. I worry that immunity will get us into Iran-Contra 2.
Also, I’m not convinced she’ll testify. She might well accept contempt over immunity.
Woodhall Hollow @ 198
It’s tough being a even a former Bushie these days.
Woodhall Hollow 198,
Yeeeehawwwww!!
I’ll bet W is jealous.
The party is over.
Bush on “The Google”
“Sometimes” hell! It’s where I wanna him to be all the time. We could then surround the place with concertina wire and line up all the wounded Iraq vets to stone him – just like in the Old Testament – if he tried to come out of the wire.
Then we could get Pat Robertson, and Mormon Rove, to join him.
Phoenix Woman @
122
LS @ 87
The Bushies can’t get rid of ALL of the competent ones — they need them to run things.
Why not? They did in Iraq.
TeddySanFran @ 184
‘ere
:~}
emptywheel @ 200
Yeah, but if that happens, the whole thing will drag out in court for a very long time. With immunity, there is the benefit if immediate testimony. Which could open a Pandora’s box of information leading to people who are way more important than she is.
It is obvious that she is very vulnerable in the loyalty oath thing. But wouldn’t you like to hear her testify as to who told her to do that (no way did she dream that one up on her own)? Etc.
Wolfie was subjected to jeers of “resign, resign” by the members of the World Bank.
I’m expecting Richard Perle to show up in a dunk tank somewhere.
Wow, the good old boy network is is in full rout.
-GSD
Ahgoo @
73
You have a bathrobe?
Gregory is becoming a grade-A shitheel in my book.
-GSD
Lindy @ 208
I thought this was nude blogging? Am I in the wrong spot?
GSD @ 208
I kind of wonder two things. A while back, he did an interview with someone saying, “gosh, those blogs take me out of context and make my gaggle questions look mean. Not sure if I remember him having any since.
But then he’s been guest hosting on Tweety’s show. Given NBC, I wouldn’t be surprised if they quid pro quo’ed him: Place nice with conservatives, and he gets to groom for that slot.
This may be a repost, but:
NPR reports that everyone in the DOJ is an idiot.
GSD @
209
Here: feedback@msnbc.com; dabrams@msnbc.com;
Oliphant, Robinson, and one other on now.
Check out the list of Imus loyalists.
This is the old boys establishment club.
-GSD
Wonder when anyone will get asked if they’ll appear with Ann “Fa**ot” Coulter?
Emptywheel, just watching Gregory in action on Tweety’s show, I have been very unimpressed.
I get the feeling that he enjoys the weenie wrangling of a presser because that is what tough guys do, but on substance, he’s been plain shabby.
-GSD
emptywheel @ 211
To draw an analogy from DC . . .
I think Gregory is like the career folks in departments across the federal government in DC. You do your job, and you move up the ranks. Once you reach a certain point, however, just doing your job isn’t enough. The more senior positions are political appointments, so to move ahead, you have to have political connections/clout. The lines vary from agency to agency, but at some point, if you want that next promotion, there’s a political approval process that has to be broached. Some folks can do that and retain their integrity, some folks trade their integrity for the promotion, and some folks try to keep their integrity but end up losing it later.
Gregory is at that point at NBC. He’s done good reporting, but if he wants something more, he’s got to do the political thing too. I think he’s having trouble doing both — or doing both on a consistent basis.
Urban Pirate @
28
Now, there’s our nightmare! It’s only luck, this time, that this crew never bothered to look for competant, qualified, lying wingnuts to hire.
Lindy- I wanted to thank you for the Pelosi 07 graphic!
Back to Advise and Consent: I was struck when Leahy, on MTP, said that he didn’t think JComm would be interested in considering a new nominee for AG until this USAtty scandal is resolved. This was amidst the joking about Hatch campaigning for the job, but it still seems an excellent policy.
Since we won’t likely know that Chimp’s fired AGAG until AG3.0 is selected and ready for his anointment press conference, other JComm members should be pressed on this: “Don’t you agree with Chairman Leahy that DoJ needs to be thoroughly investigated before a new AG is confirmed?” That way, it’s procedural, not personal.
dakine01 @
10
Cornyn’s idea of the rule of law is replacing “friendly” judges by “removing” the ones he doesn’t like.
I will be spending a lot of time trying to get that jerk voted out of office.
I agree David Gregory was playing hard from the “does the sentence fit the crime” angle. He looked like a fool. Gregory’s interview with The Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kirkpatrick was incredible. This woman kicks butt so smoothly an individual mighty not even know that your butt had been so thouroughly kicked
David Gregory’s interview with General Zinni is an absolute must…Zinni conducts another Bush ass kicking, with no apologies. A must see ass kicking. on April 11. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
Lindy @ 208 You have a bathrobe?
What’s wrong with the naked truth?
(Might be ugly but it’s honest)
Badwater @ 183: Jeb for War Czar!
twolf1 @ 187: If chimpy made lieberman war czar, would that make him a DINO-Czar?
noen @ 192: That was baaad, really bad, congratulations!
Phule @ 196: George Bush, Tyrant-czar-us Wrecks
We interupt our regularly scheduled programming to bring you this science bulletin!
And maybe we shouldn’t go there either.
This is a bit interesting…
What hath Rove wrought this time?
Where it lands…
Speaking of Trex, the New Scientist headline is scandalous!
Tyrannosaurus rex gives up precious protein
smapdi @ 225
Exactly. And the scientists are wondering if it tastes like chicken. I ain’t askin!
KO suggesting that Dana Perino’s “We screwed up & we’re trying to fix it” should be placed on a banner hung from the White House front columns…
I think FDL’s own Thesaurus Rex aka TRex will indeed be glad to know he has a wishbone in his genes..)
Hey EW…just had a thought, apologies to anybody who already mentioned it up thread.
Maybe we should be screening fresh replacements for some of the Bushies who should be removed before the end of 2008…??
Vacant holograms – all of them. If I turn off my teevee, they just dissolve – but I do love to observe.
FYI, New thread
Badwater @ 201
Come on this guy led the charge into Iraq with a pack full of lies. In Ron Suskinds book “The Price of Loyalty” former Secretary of the Treasury said that Wolfowitz and Cheney were the two biggest war pushers.
Wolfowitz is up to his neck in Iraqi blood and “noble lies”
Wolfowitz ,Perle and Ledeen have all been the subjects of F.B.I inquiries
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-
More Wolfowitz hanky panky
bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/30/6069
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/27/fbi.spy/
http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold02272004.htm
http://www.ericmargolis.com/ar…..he_dot.php
melfeasance @ 223
Scooped! vide #13 downstairs :)
Rayne @ 228
For AG, or for everyone?
For AG I say Comey. He was DAG already, he is honestly a Republican. And he seemed pretty good at those political games. It would also bug the shit out of BushCo to have to take Comey back.
Or are you talking the other positions?
LS @
124
Didn’t Feinstein have problems in the mid 80’s over her husband as well. I remember something, but my kids were little and I didn’t have time to follow too well.
dakine01 @ 10
True, perhaps, dakine, but the only way to turn these toads is for them to get input from those who criticize their stands.
I have two great senators [Cardin & Mikulski], so I don’t have to “nag” them, but I do write occasionally to “remind” them.
Perhaps you can view what seems like a thankless & futile task [writing to idiot Republicans]as an opportunity to have more influence than the rest of us. I’ll bet there are lots of folks in TX who have finally “had it” with the war, but who don’t write. You are speaking for them as well as for yourself; maybe someday the idiots will turn.
Anyway, blessings upon you. Don’t give up.
Rayne @ 229
Last week, lhp about had me sold on Lieberman as the next AG. (((Rayne)))
“We screwed up & we’re trying to fix it..”
I wonder if someone, like Bush, told her to say this?
It seems to me there is a techie or two who will add to the flurry of red meat these idiots keep dumping on us.
It seems to me the Gonzo hearing on 4/17 will be a complete dud. “I don’t remember… I wasn’t in on that… I don’t use e-mail so I cannot comment on that..” etc. etc.
Rove and Gonzo will be here till the last dog dies. The strategy is to “wait it out.” Gonzo’s head will be their “high value offering.”
Congress will never get anything damning on this buch.
Eureka Springs @ 238
Lieberman is a natural, high value candidate. Their Repug governor will replace him with a Repug and the Senate will then be 50/50
emptywheel @ 235:
“For AG I say Comey. He was DAG already, he is honestly a Republican. And he seemed pretty good at those political games. It would also bug the shit out of BushCo to have to take Comey back.”
*********************************************
I love Comey but he has five kids to put through school. Lockheed is its own college tuition plan. The AG salary doesn’t go far in Northern VA.
“We’re going to be at war with these criminals for two more years. And we’ve got to make it clear that Senators understand they will be held responsible for this kind of cowardice.”
Great summation, Marcy. Great post.
Feingold and Leahy are sounding the alarm, more power to them, and wish them a witness who will finally turn…
D. Rose @ 240
You may know better than I. But I don’t think Comey left the DAG spot because he wanted to put his kids through college. I think, given the chance to right what went wrong, he’d jump at the chance.
Besides, hasn’t he saved up in the last 2 years? General Counsel for LM? That’ll pay for a college education or three.
MTWheel:
You’re right. He didn’t leave to put his kids through college. But that is now a consideration (the first is in college as we speak). I hope he does re-enter public service. BTW, I am writing an article about Karen Seymour and so much of her USAO success was because of his good judgment.
emptywheel — in case you come back…I agree wholeheartedly with your suggestion of Comey for AG, with the proviso that he was asked discreetly in advance.
But there should be a Plan B and C if Comey’s not willing to come back.
And there should be a pool of replacements for any of the post-PatActRevision USA appointments, as well as the other USA’s that weren’t part of the Gonzalez 8 (like that dipsh*t Paulose in MN). Who would we choose? Can we vet them now?
I guess one could call Pryor and the other five DINO Democrats the Dirty Half-Dozen.