Crazy night here at the radio station. We've got massive storms and tornadoes marching across the state, so there's Severe Weather Alerts coming every five minutes.
So, in the absence of clear thought and a cogent topic, tonight, I present you with one gorgeous Amy Winehouse song, the third single (UK) from the album of the same name, "Back to Black".
Enjoy! I should be along shortly.
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wuhl…. TRex!
Had to try to be first
Sorry to hear about the weather fuckery, man. We’ve been getting snow in Iowa, but no accumulation to speak of. I guess we got nailed with the tornados last year, but I wouldn’t wish that on anybody.
. . . and OldCoastie!
ZED not…
I doubt I’m really 3rd.
Be careful with that weather, TRex…
Peterr!
you like my zero?
I think it’s beautiful!
evening TRex
how’s that puppy, LooHoo?
hello sweet theropod
Ohio is blasting out the weather advisories too. Thunder, rain, flood, locusts…wait, scratch that one. It’s just regular spring weather.
Amy Winehouse: OMG!
Margot @ 11
It’s odd…
Here in NH we’ve gotten more snow in April than we did in January.
HEY Trex – what happened to Malkin is a jerk?
I hate tornadoes. That eerie vacuum just before it comes roaring through….{{{shiver}}}
OldCoastie, she’s fine! (Cindy loo hoo). Named, of course, after Theodore Giesel’s character in Grinch. She’s 5 months and all potty trained. A love.
Thanks!
Saw the title, and thought it might have been any one of a number of topics:
- report of White House/RNC email investigators
- verdict of the chair of the Gonazales “murder boards” prep team
- email to Rudy G. from his “outreach to the Fundies” committee chair
Other thoughts for a post to go with this title?
My daughters are in awe that I’m listening to Amy!
Peterr @ 17
Now this looks like a fun game.
How about–Dick Cheney’s secret plan to actually win in Iraq?
This probably already came up today (haven’t had a chance to look through today’s threads), but the L.A. Times is reporting that
The e-mails were considered potentially critical evidence in congressional inquiries launched by Democrats into the role partisan politics may have played in such policy decisions as the firing of eight U.S. attorneys.
Gee, what a surprise …
Paul Harvey, water carrier to all right wingnuttia, sold Bose wave machines too. Whats up with that? Any old hippies like good sound reproduction? Maybe I just don’t have that discerning taste.
Kurt Vonnegut, Writer of Classics of the American Counterculture, Dies at 84
From the post:
That is what I think happened to the original post.
*peeks around one corner, then another*
Evening gang. Can I stay if I promise to behave?
Loo Hoo @ 15
all potty trained? congratulations!
mine youngest is just a bit past a year. we started going to school one night a week to learn a few new manners and increase her confidence a bit, but this week we had a bad case of “puppy brain” – which results in “sit? is that where I smile at you and pretend I never heard that word before?”
T-Rex,
For your Bjork pleasure, a kewl little 5 minute video podcast!
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObj…..=251357850
luLu
You should see all the troll commentary still happening downstairs in Jane’s Imus post. Lost in the weeds. Or, as Eeore said,
a lamentable evening; kurt vonnegut past away…
Here is the NYT link about Kurt’s death.
BALROG!
Balrog @ 24
Hugs and kisses all is forgiven at the lake.
(((Grouchy ol’ Balrog)))
God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater.
It concludes with a poem written by Mr. Vonnegut called “Requiem,” which has these closing lines:
When the last living thing
has died on account of us,
how poetical it would be
if Earth could say,
in a voice floating up
perhaps
from the floor
of the Grand Canyon,
“It is done.”
People did not like it here.
(From the NYT)
If you remember recently, the claim was made that deaths in Baghdad were down 26%. Now I always say 1)never trust the numbers unless they can be verified independently and 2)never accept at face value they mean what you are told they mean.
Killings in Baghdad are down largely because Shia death squads are on hiatus while we are off beating up on their Sunni rivals. OTOH while killings may be down in Baghdad (and again how is this calculated? all deaths or as has happened in the past they abstract out deaths from car bombings, etc.) they are up across the country. So much for tamping down the violence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..2iraq.html
marksb @ 27
Oooh – another “in which I got nothin” candidate!
KV @ The Connecticut Forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xgfDcLzv7A
little tears.
Jailbird, for Harvard men, I believe:
What kind of puppy? CLH is a chihuahua, and makes it difficult to type with all the kissies!
Damn!
Kurt Vonnegut, RIP. :(
One of those nights when you turn off the weather alarm and go sleep in the basement, ‘cuz otherwise you aren’t going to get any sleep. (Four years in West Teaxas, on the plains, and there were nights there when the alarm was going off … frequently, and usually for some other area.
Just found out that Project Gutenberg has a Science Fiction Bookshelf, with some genuinely classic stories. (I’m going to get ‘Omnilingual’ and ‘He Walked Around the Horses’, both by H Beam Piper. Highly recommend, and ‘He Walked’ isn’t entirely fiction.)
Balrog @ 24
Balrogs behave? Seems a contradiction in terms. How is the demon of the ancient world business going?
Loo Hoo @
30
This is what you posted after my diatribe. Does it sound different in this post?
Dana @ 33
Beautiful, hopefully not true…
Even folks! Maybe snow here in the higher elevations of Arizona tonight. Had to cover some plants this evening.
So Trex, no inspiration? THe Imus thing has been bet to death all day. Then there is the White e-mail shell game tha is going on. And the Iraq vacation extension decision of the US Army.
Lieberman is always fair game since he is buds with some of the folks swiftboating Pelosi.
Loo Hoo @ 36
a gigundo shep/lab/sharpei mix and surprisingly gorgeous… 63 pounds and a propensity for kissing also – very much my snuggle girl…
meep! @ 20
Gee, what a surprise …
I think they may learn that Conyers isn’t in a mood for “the dog ate my homework” excuses. And that’s fine with me. It’s high time these smirking schoolboys of the Beltway were taken to the woodshed.
Hugh @ 40
I’ve been busily engaging in self-criticism all day. Other than that, I’m happy to be back here.
P J Evans @ 39
Oh, PJ . . . you’re passing out a link to some addictive stuff there. Fortunately, I can quit any time I want.
Balrog @ 41
You need a spanking. Aunt Betsy? Of course it sounds different now. You’ve redeemed yourself.
Strange travel suggestions are dancing lessons from God. Enjoy the dance Kurt! Look for us, we’ll all be along later.
Here’s a song you old-timers will remember well. It’s up over at C&L; hope he won’t mind sharing.
Focus Hocus Pocus
Helen @ 13
Manana, baby.
Balrog @ 24
Cassie is gone; I think – but I will be your friend.
Hey TRex. Still stormy?
P J Evans @ 39
Wow… Bookmarked for later, slower, perusal.
Thanks!
I expect a few blistering replies from Conyer and quite likely Waxman as well. ‘mishandled’ is illegal in all sorts of fun ways, and warrants no holds barred from either of them. I do wonder what Conyers will fire off next, and just how scathing it will be. (and how thorough)
I may not be able to watch the fireworks live, but i plan on keeping an eye on this place before and after work. *grins*
Loo Hoo @ 48
Hoo boy. It was the Python stuff that got me in trouble last night.
A spanking it is, then.
Been heck of a long time since I read Slaughterhouse Five. What a talent and a soul to lose. Mark Twain and he will be swapping tales no doubt.
Helen @ 52
Thanks Helen. Mind the gap.
twolf1 @ 21
Dammit.
I wanted to meet him.
There’s so much that’s blowing my mind right now – the frickin’ ‘missing’ e-mails (ack!), the ‘war czar’ stuff, the extension of the soldiers overseas to 15 months – all this is horribominable.
But I keep thinking about Vonnegut. There were many, many times when I was just happy because i was sharing the planet with him.
AZ Matt @ 57
In that, there’s the making of a wonderful Broadway show.
My tribute to Vonnegut is on the previous thread near the bottom.
But consider this: the same university produced Vonnegut, Olbermann, and egregious.
HIiya Trex and everybody!
Evening, Cassie! I believe there is someone here who would like to apologize to you.
BALROG?!
SnarKassandra (who was Cassie) @ 63
Hi Cass. I assume you read my earlier posts. Sorry again and give me a chance to redeem myself.
Pretty please?
TRex @ 64
We were typing our posts at the same time.
Balrog @ 65
It is fine. Really. No problem.
Did anybody find out how PW knows the monica puter is with our friends in congress?
Loo Hoo @
48
Aunt Betsy doesn’t spank. No one in this house hits anyone else.
Balrog @ 58
Of course the first time I noticed you was as “Balrog – the facist troll” And then; later this morning when you apologized. For whetever you did last night. I’ve been there balrog. I am sure Cassie will forgive you
Hi SnarKassandra! What’s up?
Loo Hoo @ 68
An unnamed Whitehorse Souse, perhaps?
meep! @
20
Gee, what a surprise …
Lost? Lost??? Lost is what happens when you can’t find your housekeys – not when thousands of emails vapourize.
Alicia @ 71
Not much. Did some blogging earlier, then homework and chores, and now hanging out here and surfing.
SnarKassandra (who was Cassie) @ 67
kisses….
Please be kind to the margins and do not use the quote this comment button to respond to a comment that has quoted comments within.
The margins (and those who fix them) will be thankful.
Suzanne —– Can I take off then (who was Cassie) from my name yet?
SnarKassandra (who was Cassie) @ 74
You are GORGEOUS. That is why I called you a woman and not a girl
Very well then, EPU’d
[which I think Vonnegut is wishing he himself had invented, because he was always very big about meeting yourself coming in thru the door]
egregious @ 318
TRex @ 59
Pick up his books and you will!
Peterr @
17
Bushie War Czar
Cassie, I think everyone knows about your name change. Go for it :)
SnarKassandra-
Have you read Kurt Vonnegut yet?
SnarKassandra (who was Cassie) @ 77
I like it this way. Sounds like a clue and the answer in the form of a question on Jeopardy.
LA: 91% of People Living Near Hazardous Waste Sites are Minorities
rxbusa @ 81
…because this administration needs a few more layers of nonaccountability.
newtonusr @ 83
No, not yet. But I have heard of him.
Suzanne @ 76
And Preview is your friend!
(Preview has cut my apologies to the moderators down to about a bi-weekly event, as opposed to a daily event.)
SnarKassandra @ 85
Well, isn’t that special? And I’ll bet none of them are rich.
Hey Loo Hoo, we got 4 inches of snow last night and today. I may need to take another nerd class in San Diego.
Balrog @ 90
83 and sunny here today!
Balrog is beginning to sound more apologetic than Imus!
SnarKassandra @ 91
(rude noise)
Still laughing about Vonnegut playing himself in Rodney Dangerfield’s Back to School. They need help studying Vonnegut so they call in a tutor: knock, knock, they open the door, and there he is. I think he explains that Vonnegut is incomprehensible or some such.
SnarKassandra @ 87
Cassie – he will change your life. Run, don’t walk to the nearest book purveyor and read him.
Balrog @ 50
Thanks so much!
Here’s what I’ve been listening to:
Sha Na Na
That and some Dick Dale, who will be playing near here in concert next month. Trying to talk my teen son into coming with me to see him.
itwasntme @ 92
Believe me, I felt the doppleganger vibe all day. :(
EvilDrPuma @ 93Hey Loo Hoo, we got 4 inches of snow last night and today. I may need to take another nerd class in San Diego.
83 and sunny here today!
(rude noise)
Just wait until it is 100 here for a month straight!
Ok sports fans I gotta go to work. Can we come up with the best Vonnegut books, or at least where to start for people who haven’t read him yet?
Incomprehensible, my second favorite word :)
egregious @ 98
I think I need to know what your first, third and eleventh favourite words are!
Kurt Vonnegut was my absolute favorite author and hometown hero since he was from Indianapolis like I am. He always included a reference to Indy in every one of his books by referring to a street name or a landmark from here so it was always cool to read his books and relate to him in that way as well.
We have a literacy project here sponsored by the local library system in which local media team up with the library to promote One Book One City every spring. The author is invited to give a lecture about the book chosen for One Book One City and this year, Kurt Vonnegut was scheduled to give the lecture on April 20th at Butler University’s Clowes Hall on his book Slaughterhouse Five, my absolute favorite work of his. I had hoped to see him speak at this but now I won’t get the chance. He will be missed greatly in his hometown and I will miss him even more.
Late..what? did Kurt Vonnegut pass away? Noooooo
rxbusa @ 81
egregious @ 98
God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater
Player Piano
Slaughterhouse Five (the obvious)
Welcome To the Monkey House (short story collection – awesome!)
Sirens of Titan
Top Secret Republican Dictionary
Helen,
This is what I posted on my blog today.
Please remember to CLOSE YOUR TAGS, dear readers, or you will end up in HTMhelL.
Eureka Springs @ 101
Yes, a few hours ago.
Snarkassandra and Betsy, you guys live in San Diego? We’re neighbors. Balrog’s gonna buy you a meal.
Alicia @ 104
Cat’s Cradle?
Loo Hoo @ 107
Nope. Central Texas
SnarKassandra @ 98
That could happen here in Iowa, too. The difference is that there’ll also be about 96% humidity.
In regard to this Imus brouha-ha… And why anyone with an IQ above room temp goes on his show.
Did anyone ever check out who these people’s agents are? I mean maybe these supposedly respectable people all have the same agent as Imus and that’s why they’re on his poor excuse for a show. Then again maybe they all are with Phillip Morris and don’t have agents.
(Old show biz joke.)
Oh, man, Kurt Vonnegut.
One of the best classes I ever took was on Vonnegut.
egregious @ 99
My personal favorites are these:
Slaughterhouse Five
Breakfast of Champions
Cat’s Cradle
Jailbird
Deadeye Dick
Bluebeard
But you can find a list of NY Times reviews of all of his books here.
Alicia @ 95
You will never read anything as sad as “Mother Night”, as funny as “Hocus Pocus”, or as weird as “The Sirens of Titan”. And there’s time-travel, Watergate inmates, low gravity, and fun new religions.
But through all of that, irony shines very brightly. A very satisfying author.
Alicia is right. Get thee to the library.
Library closed at 8 and I am not allowed out at this hour. Tomorrow after school. Or maybe the school library.
cleter @ 112
I didn’t know they have whole classes on just one author.
Fern @
73
Lost? Lost??? Lost is what happens when you can’t find your housekeys – not when thousands of emails vapourize.
Hey all.
I don’t normally post here (or anywhere for that matter) but I know where to go for the straight legal poop and I need it now. Why doesn’t the senate, or someone, have the right to send in the FBI, right now, to seize the servers and/or laptops and/or pc’s and bckup tapes in question. Aren’t these now beginning to look like criminal acts?
Thanks.
ChuckD
egregious @
98
Start with Slaughterhouse Five.
Then God Bless You, Mr Rosewater or Cats Cradle.
Then Sirens of Titan
Then Mother Night, which is the most linear story he wrote.
Mommybrain @ 109
That’s just so sad.. I worked on a wonderful play of his work once upon a time. Happy Birthday Wanda June! Everyone had a ball during the entire process and the theatre was fabulous! I am also halfway through reading Breakfast of Champions on this very day!
Thank you Kurt. RIP ( I hope they have a smoking section in heaven)
I’ve posted the interview with Steve Capus, President of NBC News from Hardball with David Gregory right after the decision was made. Also some great video of Obama on Hardball talking about the Imus controversy and then Craig Crawford is brought on and he can’t hide his indignation at hearing Armstrong Williams’ name announced as a commentator. It’s here:
http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/932
SnarKassandra @ 117
Oh, yes. The English Lit people love that kind of stuff.
KV favs:
Jailbird
Deadeye Dick
Hocus Pocus
Slaughterhouse Five
Mother Night
I did not hear anyone talk about this story yet. I found it from HuffPo
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..high_rate/
Balrog @
46
Oh! And one of my real favorites of all time was a book of short stories. I think it was Welcome to the Monkey House.
Here’s to Kurt riding the chronosynclastic infundibulum at last!
SnarKassandra @ 116
You should start with his consensus best which damn near everyone who loves Vonnegut will agree is Slaughterhouse Five. Cat’s Cradle is very good too. I like Bluebeard for the humor.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 127
The question is ….. what do they have AT the library that you don’t have to put on request.
Imagine this…
The ‘thugs are afraid that because they’ve totally destroyed America, they might not get elected in ‘08.
(My preview button has disappeared, so if the link is messed up, mea culpa, k?)
Mommybrain @ 108
I also liked Breakfast of Champions, in addition to all those.
Pentagon Extends Tours For All 145,000 Iraq Troops
SnarKassandra @ 125
Interesting. I guess I’m glad they get a choice in the matter, because the enlisted men sure as heck don’t seem to.
EvilDrPuma @ 122
It was actually a sociology class. I have an anthro/sociology BA. We read Thorsten Veblen’s Theory of the Leisure Class, C Wright Mills The Sociological Imagination, some Erving Goffman, and just about everything by Vonnegut.
Fern @
73
Lost? Lost??? Lost is what happens when you can’t find your housekeys – not when thousands of emails vapourize.
This is bullshit! I hope Waxman and Conyers don’t dick around any with this. They need to be leaning on the FBI, who needs to be leaning on a Judge for a search and seizure order. Or better yet, HOW ABOUT A NATIONAL SECURITY LETTER?
EvilDrPuma @ 132
My brother is in the Army Nat’l Guard. Activated and assigned to a base right near our house. He is a truck mechanic.
SnarKassandra @ 132
…which is what I was alluding to when I said the enlisted men don’t get a choice. I’m glad I don’t have to carry Bush’s, Cheney’s, or Gates’ karma around.
TRex,
Thanks for introducing me to Amy Winehouse. I bought her CD over the weekend and played it at work. My co-workers loved her. Fine fuckery indeed!!!
ChuckD @ 118
ChuckD
There has to be an order given to initiate an investigation from either a US District Attorney or a Congressional Committee that would subpeona those hard drives and computers in question. Trust me, something like this is probably in the works at this point from Henry Waxman. Stay tuned for a day or two, it will happen.
Well, guys, I’m gonna call it a night before Aunt Betsy starts giving me dirty looks. Catch you on the flip side.
Those RNC servers need to get confiscated and treated like forensic evidence ASAP, since clearly their operators have shown an inability to treat the data with due care.
SnarKassandra @ 115
Go to a used bookstore. There will be a bunch of paper backs for about a dollar. These are keepers.
SnarKassandra @ 116
Oh, yes, when I was an undergraduate, all the instructors were trying to get their favorite classes into the permanent curriculum, and it was a great time for that sort of thing. I took classes on nothing but Yeats, Joyce, Faulkner, Shakespeare.
It was a lot of fun.
ChuckD,
Josh is wondering too. In his snarkiest way. Balrog, you’re the geek, can the info be found? If congress has Monica’s computer, can they determine what, if anything, has been deleted?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
cleter @ 142
It is almost 11:30 at night. Everything is closed!
cleter @ 142
Agreed, you’re gonna want to own these because once you read Vonnegut you have an urge to make all your friends read him too so you want some dog eared used paperbacks to give to them for this purpose.
Speaking of Back to School, Kurt getting an “F” for a paper on his on own book wasn’t the only funny scene.
How about Sam Kenison teaching History Class?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xfi…..mp;search=
I’m listening to Michael Savage live on the AM radio. He’s complaining about the misogyny of rap music. He’s right, at least about some of it. But Savage should be next. He engenders more hate than a six-pack of Imuses. We need to target this hopelessly hateful fuck, and the sooner the better.
Dana @
33
de-lurking
This set me back and produced a tear. I lived by THE CANYON for a while, awesome, WE are such pricks for sh*t*ng in our own nest. Thank you FDL for keeping the fire going, I am OOC but lerk every day. Count me in to help regain OUR country. I have had it with this FUCKERY (tnx TRex). Sorry to be old and slow but I am with you all. re-lurking now
SnarKassandra @ 124
It’s not just the rotation back to Iraq. There was plenty of that in both WW2 and Vietnam. It’s more the overall prosecution of the war, itself that makes the plebes want out. It’s a war without end, that the number of those available to fight in gets smaller all the time. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that one day soon, it’s gonna be your mutilated corpse in that rubber bag.
One more reason why this maladministration can be accurately labeled to be on the same side as the terrists. They’re killing America, one grunt at a time.
I meant tomorrow. The bookstore, I mean. Are you in a college town?
SnarKassandra @
85
Cassie, FYI they do the same thing with airline flight patterns. They fly (loudly) over those with the least power and ability to complain.
g’nite EDP.
ChuckD@118
TheNextHurrah.com has great legal stuff and a few recent posts about the e-mails.
radiofreewill @ 147
“Good teacher. He really seems to care. About what I have no idea!”
cleter @ 151
There is a Half-Price books place but I don’t know if I can go tomorrow.
Ed*ard Teller @ 148
Ed*ard Teller:
Taking the grenade so we don’t have to.
montag @ 143
I saw a listing for a class on Bukowski the other day while looking for inspiration on a course content guideline I’ve been coerced to write.
Loo Hoo @ 144
It largely depends on how long ago they were deleted, how much new data has been written to the disk since, and whether they have a policy of “wiping” the free space with applications that remove the remnants of deleted files.
If, as I suspect, this was the plan all along, and if (this is the big if) they’ve got reasonably competent security techs working for them, it could be very difficult to recover the data.
On the other hand, if they have the above security policies in place, it could very well be proof of intent to obstruct justice.
If anyone has any extra money and is feeling generous, the teen political blog I write for is in need of $20 more to pay for hosting so that we can store pix and stuff ourselves.
There is a donate button upper right,
Loo Hoo @ 144
Balrog’s a geek? Go figure – I thought he was my friend. Mind the Gap
Chuck @118
Here http://judiciary.house.gov/Med…..070410.pdf
is the subpoena
SnarKassandra
I have double and, in some cases, triple copies of KV. Tell me what you can find cheap, and I’ll fill in where I can.
Alicia was right – you should own these.
Ed*ard Teller is my hero. He regularly ventures into the minefield of wingnuttia to report on his findings there. He must have fascist camouflage to wear when he is amongst them. Maybe he has a Imus style cowboy hat.
bdu @ 159
But isn’t stuff on a server and a host and out there in the internet world even if it is erased on a computer?
I saw Kurt Vonnegut speak once. This was when Bush was running for governor. Boy, Kurt didn’t much like Bush.
Shadowstalker @ 130
Imagine this
http://judiciary.house.gov/Med…..070410.pdf
Cassie – do you drive yet or are you still reliant upon others old enough to drive to get around (like family)?
newtonusr @ 163
Thanks! Suzanne and Trex have my aunt;s email and mine so I can get you an address without putting it in here.
Mr. Teller,
I’ve never heard that word come from your keyboard before. I know though, it just get to be too much sometimes. Just remember, we have Waxman et.al.
Hey, SnarKassandra,
If a giant number of donations come pouring into your blog from FDL, will the boys start according you the respect you deserve?
newtonusr @ 157
I drive 50 miles each way to work – uphill both ways. I listen to AM talk to prepare me to talk to the people who live around me in the
Mat-SuMad Zoo Borough. sometimes, when driving home late after a long day, listening to these guys gets me mad enough I couldn’t possibly fall asleep at the wheel.Welcome Ben Tre!!
Suzanne @ 168
I do not drive yet (permit after drivers’ ed in summer school), but I can take the buses around. Problem with tomorrow is that I play lacrosse at the rec center in the afternoon.
SnarKassandra @ 165
Actually, my comment was in re: data on the server. It’s far less likely they have stringent “wiping” protocols for the computers of those who use the RNC server.
However, I’m inclined to believe (from the way the statement re: the RNC server reads) that they were using a mail scheme like IMAP where the mail data is largely stored remotely rather than locally on the users computer. In this kind of scenario, deleting the file from your inbox will signal the remote server to delete it from it’s storage.
SnarKassandra @ 168
I have some dupes as well, for them what needs em.
TRex @ 171
They are scared of me!
Cassie, if ok with you, send me your address and i will facilitate the information exchange.
Newtonusr ok with you?
SnarKassandra @ 165
yesss
SnarKassandra @ 177
YOU GO GIRL
SnarKassandra @ 169
Or use this:
newtonusr@xxx.xxx
(edited for spam mail prevention purposes by mod)
Suzanne @ 178
i tried to on gtalk but you don’t take messages i guess. i will email
Well, I’m off.
I have crap I have to read for tomorrow.
Well, let’s make them a little more scared.
Hey, everybody! Listen up!
Go give five bucks to SnarKassandra’s blog!!
I command it.
Suzanne @ 178
sure
ET – Do you have any Video or a DVD of Bukowski? If not I have a DVD I would be glad to send your way.
newtonus —- go check your email
:)
cleter @ 183
Good night!
Done! Five bucks to YouThinkLeft.
Who else? Come on, gang. It’s a lousy five bucks.
TRex @ 189
THANKS !!!!
SnarKassandra @ 188
night night sweet Cassie
cleter @
183
The first time I saw that, for some reason it looked like, “I have clap for real tomorrow.”
Surreal eye tricks.
TRex @ 192
Well, you know, anything’s possible!
Ed*ard Teller @ 157
Um, the advice for Cassie would be: Shakespeare first. “Titus Andronicus” and “King Lear” would make Bukowski easier to understand. :)
I just got our Discovery Mag in the mail today, and they have a great article about blogging – visual connections. Kos is #1, but Malkin makes an appearance! You might want to pick up this copy with “Death of a Star” as the main piece, and take a look. Fun stuff.
Snarkassandra-
I am broke but I would send you some Vonnegut books I have.
Lolo…
Fun reading, that. I just wish I could get over the sick feeling, wondering what ChimpCo’s going to do now that their backs are up against a fairly solid wall.
Shadowstalker @ 197
Well, at the very least the shredders and their electronic equivalents are working so hard they’re overheating!
Fiore on MC Rove:
http://www.markfiore.com/animation/mcrove.html
Eureka Springs @ 196
go check your mail !
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 164
ROFL, almost a 707, Fini!
I have an old ‘84 Suburban that I keep as a driveway sculpture mostly, but it comes in handy in case I need to tow something when my real truck is in the shop or being used by the kids. It has a spray-paint camo job on it. If I have to go to a community meeting in ultra red territory, I’ll drive it there, park early and play C&W music loud while the parking lot fills. I wear Carrharts to events like that – actually, I wear Carrharts a lot, anyway. Fools these people every time. They think I’m one of them.
Five years ago at one of these meetings, a camo-wearing fascist with a dead animal hat on his head insulted a female community activist so hard, she burst into tears. When I got the mike, I told him if I was his dad, I’d pull down his pants, throw him over the tailgate of my pickup and spank him until he cried “Mommy!” 50 times. He met me out in the parking lot afterward where I introduced him to my bodyguard. The redneck skulked off without a fight.
But I don’t own a cowboy hat, never did…
Time for me to get to bed. See y’all tomorrow. Thanks to everyone!
Peterr @ 47
Yeah, right.
The golden age of Science Fiction is …
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Eureka Springs @ 186
My wife is a longtime Bukowski fan. I tried getting into his stuff three or four times over the years, but… Don’t bother.
Loo Hoo @ 199
This is so fu**en awesome. Every time a troll appears I am linking this and teh subpoena !!
And back from that message from Our Sponsor…
Eleven!
(I’ve been addicted for mumble years, since I was eleven. Quit? It’s a Way of Life!)
Loo Hoo @ 198
Ain’t that somethin’? :)
Yeehaw, ET. I bet a lot of the women in the crowd were agreeing with your statement.
L.S./M.F.T. @
61
Double Ding!
Snark even has paypal!
SnarKassandra @ 199
back at cha!
For the record, I do not have clap.
I’m leaving for real now. But not because of the clap.
I had a comedy this moment picking up mail. (Cue the snickers.) I got a letter from the ‘California Republican League’, wanting me to renew my [so far nonexistent] membership. Apparently they’re the left wing of the CA GOP, and they are not at all happy with the state party leadership, which is too far to the right for them. I have to say, I don’t know if this is good or bad for the rest of us. And I don’t know why they think I’d be interested, seeing as I’ve been registered as a Democrat since I first signed up to vote mumble years ago, right after the amendment was ratified. (It got me registered four months earlier than would have happened without it.)
languorous, yet kind of loopy tune. rather intriguing…
Nite SnarKassandra! KV on the way.
Ed*ard Teller @ 201
That is simply fantastic! I knew you were using camo!
EPU’d:
TeddySanFran @
336
cleter @ 212
BWA HA HA – like we care.
We will find our Constitution drive from ACLU:
http://www.wewillfindhim.com/
SnarKassandra @ 105
How come I’ve never seen any of these before? These are right on the money!
newspaperbrat @ 209
Hal Holbrook & who?
Suzanne @ 208
As I remember it, there weren’t many women there, and she was the only one I could identify with. I think the other two owned a llama farm and wanted more wolves killed in their area around Trapper Creek. I thought they needed a better fence and younger dogs.
TeddySanFran @ 217
Question #1 Does the Presidnet AND Vice President have de-classification powers? Like you said at the Plame hearings.
what is the clap of one hound sanding?
lolo@205…
You linked me the subpoena, do you think I’m a troll?
newtonusr @ 221
worked in IT in a large private loaw firm for many years. When email began to surface as key evidence in clients’ civil suits, law firms themselves began to review their own electronic archiving policy.
Our policy was limited to how IT handled electronic file backups and archiving, not how lawyers were expected to handle their own electronic files. Some attornies are hopeless pack rats: They save EVERYTHING and sometimes twice; sent mail folder and a hard copy print out in a physical chrono file. Its an understandable obsession, they need to be able to lay their hands on everything that goes out with their names on it.
We decided to backup the email message store in full daily on a twenty-eight day rotating backup tape schedule. That meant the oldest backup (snapshot) of the complete message store on the server was four weeks old. Of course, users will keep a lot of their received mail (inbox and personal folders) and sent email (sent mail folder) forever, so if they’ve kept it, it remains in the message store and of course on the backups. If they delete it, when twenty-eight days have passed, its will be on none of the backup tapes.
People rareley take the time to delete their sent mail. It lives in a single folder and would take time to decide what to delete and what to save. Deleted items can also live in the person’s deleted items folder unless its set to purge on exiting outlook. All the emails produced in the docuemnts are formatted like they were printed using outlook client as the mail reader.
Very few businesses are willing to set a policy where “old” email is purged automatically from users’ mailboxes (in the message store on the server) or from personal message stores (.PSTs) which can live on their Laptop’s or PC’s hard drive. The PST can also live on any mapped drive on the server, such as /User/KRove/KRove.pst
Other files on the server were backed up at least monthly and kept for three years or indefinetly.
Certain flies like general ledgers and accouting system files are kept for up to
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
punaise @ 223
What is the sound of one President sand pounding?
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 216
not always. I put a big, homemade
BU**
SH**
sign on the back window of my diesel Golf the other day. Nobody’s flipped me off yet, but lotsa peace signs by people passing me.
meep! @ 20
Gee, what a surprise …
Anyone else bet Rove’s got carpal tunnel syndrome in his “delete” finger? And the word “delete” is now tatooed backwards on the tip of the same finger…
P J Evans @ 213
Congratulations, J! They want you! I’ll bet you feel kinda tingly all over.
P J Evans @ 213
PJ where in CA?
JEP @ 228
… while wandering around shaking his finger, muttering, “out, damned spot!”
El Sarafiya River bridge in Bagdhad heavily damaged by huge explosion.
Ed*ard Teller @ 232
At this point, one should ask, ours, or theirs?
Halbrook and Peter Coyote!
newspaperbrat@209:Hal Holbrook & who?
I’ve been wracking my brain for a while, tonight, trying to come up with someone… I dunno why Olbermann keeps circling the target in my head. Maybe with one of those Dr. Zorba wigs on his head?
montag @ 235
semi truck bomb. not military.
newspaperbrat @ 234
Alan Arkin, I think, could do a good Vonnegut.
not always. I put a big, homemade
BU**
SH**
sign on the back window of my diesel Golf the other day. Nobody’s flipped me off yet, but lotsa peace signs by people passing me.
ET I like it :)
Shadowstalker @ 225
no, but it’s a great cure for trolls ya know…..the facts….and MCrove.
L.S./M.F.T. @ 236
Peter Coyote – born to play Kurt – and he is a wonderful actor – google him.
Shadowstalker @ 225
Huh?
montag @ 239
Sam Waterston, too.
newspaperbrat @ 234
GMTA, that was my second guess.
P J Evans @ 206
It’s those dealers, masquerading as librarians. They’ll get you every time.
“Oh, you liked that one? Well, have you ever tried this?”
I got hooked around nine or so, when I was visiting my grandparents. I got sent to my guest room for doing something I shouldn’t have (don’t remember what), and told not to come back downstairs for an hour. After five minutes, I noticed these old books on the shelf: Tom Swift.
When I hadn’t come back downstairs after three hours, they came looking for me. “Wait — I just want to finish this chapter.”
When we went home, I happened to mention this event in the presence of a friend’s mom, who was a librarian at the public library. She got this evil gleam in her eye . . .
More Wolfman Woofowitz World Bank Adventures:
WaPo Link
montag @ 238
I agree Arkin could do a good Vonnegut but Peter Coyote could do a great authentic Vonnegut, trust me.
newspaperbrat @ 248
And Imus has an opening in his schedule…
Sidney’s latest up at salon.com
newtonusr – You Rascal!
AZ Matt @ 247
The plot thickens. Lots of stuff dripping out on Wednesday what else will be out by the weekend?
bad PR,Imus: your name is mud
(complete with cowboy hat)
npb-
Has Coyote done stage? You sure know his work…
How about Alan Alda?
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 163
A braver soul than I. I’d like to be able to do that, just for the mental discipline, but then I’d probably just ruin a perfectly good computer screen with flecks of foam and blood.
punaise @ 248
No. All that bastids life, there’s always been someone close to pick up the mess after he screwed up yet another free lunch. Let him wallow in his own excess.
Old King Log said,”Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.“
rxbusa @ 127
Late to the party, as usual (damn this living on the west coast!) One of my true favorites of CV. Haven’t read it in more years than I want to admit that I’m alive, but IIRC, Welcome to the Monkey House said so much about the “Conservatives” and not wanting to face uncomfortable facts. A true allegorical tale. Cassie, if you’re still out there: I discovered Kurt Vonnegut at your age, and have been a big fan of him ever since. I think you’ll really enjoy him.
I saw a first today. A ‘Save Our Troops. Impeach Bush’ magnet on a car today. And it wasn’t on an SUV either. I was happy dancing as i drove. XD
Right here in Grand Rapids, MI. GOP country.
bmaz and everybody:
Here is my rewrite of bmaz’s post to make it a letter to Congresspeople. Please feel free to add your two cents and mail away!
Today the Bush Administration admitted it had mishandled computer evidence, resulting in the destruction of data that was legally required to be maintained. If this is really true, then the failure to protect and maintain the information may be a violation of the Presidential Records Act and thus serves as a predicate for the seizure of the appropriate computers and hard drives from the Bush Administration.
The computers and servers at the White House, the Republican National Committee, and the company who provided the e-mail service should be seized and analyzed immediately. Forensic computer experts consistently state that, with the right effort, just about anything can be recovered from a hard drive. Even when the full documents cannot be recovered, there are traces remaining that, at a minimum, indicate the previous existence of the items and their characteristics. Analysis of the hard drives may yield evidence that confirms the emails and documents in question were there and erased (including when they were erased). Alternatively it may result in a finding that hard drives were replaced with clean ones. Either of these outcomes would be strong indications of an attempt to obstruct justice, a conspiracy of mind-boggling proportions.
The American public is entitled to the discovery of that evidence. Since the Administration has already admitted to mishandling the evidence, there is no basis for the Administration to refuse to yield the computers, and it places the matter beyond executive privilege under Nixon v. US.
This is not “just politics” anymore; that canard is over. This is criminal behavior that strikes at the heart of our democracy and its basis in an open and accountable government. I urge you to take immediate action to see that this matter is investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent. The American people deserve nothing less than that the Bush Administration be held fully accountable.
Ed*ard Teller @
255
Y’know if we add Gary Sinese as Truman, the Preznit, not Tru, LOL, it would really get interesting.
punaise @ 253
That’s just weird dude!
aliasofwestgate, i saw a bumpersticker that said Support Our Troops – Fire The Republicans.
meep! @ 20
Gee, what a surprise …
Anyone else notice the odd wording in that — the White House lost emails on the RNC mail system? I can think of three possible explanations:
1. It’s misreported, and the White House told them the RNC “lost” them.
2. WH staff have been hitting “delete” a whole lot, and think that means everything is gone for good (shades of Iran-Contra.)
3. The White House is actually operating the email system “donated by the RNC,” which takes this to a whole new level of malfeasance.
And I would say that if they don’t immediately volunteer to have forensic recovery done on the whole system to recover the “lost” email, any rational observer should conclude that they’re destroying evidence. (Yeah, I know we already figured that out, but this should be enough for the man in the street.)
Cassie – I don’t know if you’re still up or want advice from an old guy like me. But Vonnegut is truly amazing, but I disagree a bit with my fellow pups on what to read first. I first read Cat’s Cradle when I was just a few years older than you are now and it totally blew me away. The other books, including Slaughter House Five are excellent and worth your time, but cat’s Cradle and God Bless You Mr Rosewater have stuck with me all these years.
Anyway, give it a go when you get time. Have fun.
TRex @ 183
Done. I never disobey large, carnivorous, stylishly-yet-comfortably-shod therapods.
petedownunder @ 264
I actually agree with you, Cat’s Cradle is my second favorite KV book and it probably is a great way to introduce him to a new reader. God Bless You MR Rosewater is awesome as well.
What no one’s mentioned yet is Mother Night. It’s a pretty disturbing book and insanely, darkly funny in places, but it was Vonnegut’s way of saying, “you, too, America, it can happen to you.”
rxbusa, nice letter.
Redshift @ 264
As I said before, my guess is they were running imap or apop mail, so the user had control over which emails were archived on the server and which ones weren’t by virtue of which ones they kept in their clients and which ones they deleted.
Alicia @ 263
That reminds me… how much are size 74W Tsubos going for these days?
I loved Slaughterhouse Five and Galapagos.
-GSD
P.S.
McCain must be trying to torpedoe his flagging campaign quickly by launching invective at ‘Democrats’ for their war stance…..Too bad the dope doesn’t realize we represent about 60% to 70% of America now.
So long John, buy me a rug on the way out.
Does anyone really doubt that copies of the RNC texts and e-mails are out there?
Does anyone doubt that the RNC ‘back-channel’ was passing all manner of sensitive information for political purposes?
Reading those texts and e-mails ought to be like reading the diaries of thieves…really greedy, arrogant, power-worshipping thieves who have no conscience about advancing a hateful agenda at the expense of the ‘have-nots’ – while calling themselves righteous.
They’re out there – the dialog of the Fleecing of America – and one can only hope that somebody will put them before the court of public opinion.
If “the Truth will Out” – then now is the time.
montag @ 267
Yeah, that was probably his darkest novel. It disturbs me to read it but its probably on my favorites list too. Did they turn that into a movie a while ago?
GSD @ 269
Have a feeling those rugs are going to hit eBay in the next ninety days….
newtonusr @ 262
yeah, Primus was “out there”.
rxbusa – sweet rewrite!
montag @ 268
The sadness/irony in Mother Night is so deep that it bends back to funny – KV’s gift to the world.
Suzanne @ 269 and Eureka Springs @ 277,
Thanks! And I’m sure bmaz thanks you, too, since it was completely plagiarized from bmaz’s post on the Consequences thread.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 271
Umm, yeah, with Nick Nolte.
I’m pretty sure Vonnegut saw and heard plenty from the German Bund types before the war, and I’m pretty sure he was asked once if he had William Pelley’s Silver Shirts partly in mind when he wrote it, and that he replied that he was aware of them.
One can’t get away from the feeling that Howard Campbell is a home-grown fascist.
Alicia @
256
I don’t venture to rightwing blogs unless there’s a real important issue that they might be live blogging, or I get an e-mail about my name or one of my friends’ names coming up. AM radio is merely entertainment. But I take my role in community activities very seriously.
Monday, two other buglers and I were VIPs at a semi-fascist event at Bartlett HS in Anchorage. It was National ex-POW Day. VFW and the American Legion had a big presence there, along with the Bartlett HS JROTC program – 400 kids (!!!) strong – the DVA, the services and local politicians.
The three of us played the first performance in Alaska of a routine called Silver Taps. Afterward, at a lunch at the VFW lodge nearby, I had to confront a couple of people who had assumed I’m their kind of patriot for having participated so fully and effectively in the ceremony.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 274
Nick Nolte’s was fantastic in it, his finest dramatic role, including Prince of Tides.
radiofreewill >
Think NSA.
Difficult to get but probably a complete set (and a few extra sets for “insurance”).
Tick Tock, Tick Tock…
“The first lesson of democracy is not to hold the public in contempt.” – Ronnie Earle
surprisingly unprogressive results in an SF Chronicle poll:
Would you prefer to pay a flat income tax?
Yes – it’s simple and fair to all (51%),
No – the rich should pay more (49%)
never thought I’d live to see Steve Forbes carry the Bay Area.
punaise @ 281
Bet they won’t be saying that if and when it actually happens–and they find out how much it actually is….
punaise @ 250
Recommended.
Peterr @ 246
Oh my gosh, my dad collected Americana and other first editions. He had lots of Tom Swift, with the old jackets.
Who was the faithful family retainer?
I remember sentences like, “Oh no, Master Tom, don’t do that or the airship will get away!” ejaculated Rad.
(I looked up in wiki–his name was Eradicate “Rad” Andrew Jackson Abraham Lincoln Sampson.)
egregious @
62
((((((((((EGREGIOUS))))))))))
Suzanne @ 263
I want one!
Vonnegut question
In the early 1970s there was a PBS film made that was collection of pieces of many of Kurt`s works. The plot was about the winner of a breakfast cereal contest traveling into space & meeting many of Vonnegut`s characters. It had Bob & Ray as the commentators.
Anyone remember the name of that film ?
“There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.” – Ansel Adams
Conyers wants images of the hard drives of all the WH staff involved in the US Attorney firings. Waxman ought to back him up on this, and make it a national security matter. I want to see hard drives carried out of the West Wing. And Waxman doesn’t sound like he’s going to take ‘oopsie!’ for an answer.
Emails don’t just vanish. And apparently the new policy is ‘if in doubt, use the RNC server but keep a copy for the WH lawyers’. That ain’t fucking good enough.
Redshift @ 263
Anyone else notice the odd wording in that — the White House lost emails on the RNC mail system? I can think of three possible explanations:
1. It’s misreported, and the White House told them the RNC “lost” them.
2. WH staff have been hitting “delete” a whole lot, and think that means everything is gone for good (shades of Iran-Contra.)
3. The White House is actually operating the email system “donated by the RNC,” which takes this to a whole new level of malfeasance.
And I would say that if they don’t immediately volunteer to have forensic recovery done on the whole system to recover the “lost” email, any rational observer should conclude that they’re destroying evidence. (Yeah, I know we already figured that out, but this should be enough for the man in the street.)
Not enough info yet, but I’m sure it’ll come out soon enough.
That said, thanks to all who answered my plea. I’m an IT guy and know something about forensics and know that time is of the essence. These knuckle-draggers care little about subpoenas except that they can buy time with them. This is a situation that demands immediate (like tonight!) intervention and confiscation of personal computers, laptops, servers and backup tapes.
Now.
(sigh) but a boy can dream.
ChuckD
twolf1 @ 22
Noooo! Oh, really, I expected him to live forever. I still have a few of those dog-eared old paperbacks – although I had to leave some w/ my 1st husband – we agreeed to split them.
Did anyone see him on the Daily Show last year? He was wonderful, as always; funny as hell.
I believe his newest/last? book is called “Man Without a Country”.
Sad, sad.
This really makes me sad.
Good evening all! How is everyone tonight?
daCascadian at 283
These guys were running a bootleg network to circumvent oversight while relentlessly driving their own agenda.
A foreign government that spent any reasonably serious amount of time studying the WH-RNC-DeLay-Frist communication channels would have figured out that watching those blackberries and laptops was as good as sitting-in with the decision makers.
While Rove and Mehlman were holding the public in contempt, who knows who was watching them?
daCascadian >
I got it. Between_Time_and_Timbuktu was my introduction to Vonnegut.
“There is no such thing as inaccuracy in a photograph. All photographs are accurate. None of them is the truth.” – Richard Avedon
(waving to besty)
Hi T/Betsy!
Amy Wine House Is Bad ASS Stuff!!!
Love the voice, love the genre of blues/20-30’s/dixieland/americana flavored whatEVER you call what she does.
Yes, simplyminded here, first time I’ve heard or seen her.
GOOD STUFF!!!!
And I’m HEAVY into KPIG, NewGrass, TradGRass and Americana Acoustic Sanger/Songwriter.
This gal got it GOIN down the road I’M walkin . . Thanks TRex. Who you work for, didn’t know yer in the biz . . . . but I’m new out here . . .
Margot @ 287 — That’s the stuff. When my grandmother downsized her house, my mom got those books. I haven’t thought about them in years, but I may have to pull them down off the shelf the next time I visit.
radiofreewill >
Now wouldn`t it be ironic if the French were the ones to come up with a set of those emails ?
Just think out loud of course…
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” – Galileo Galilei
daCascadian @ 290
Between Time and Timbuktu. I only know because I happened to acquire a disintegrating copy of the book for it years later, which I still have somewhere. I saw that before I’d read any Vonnegut; my parents loved it.
rxbusa@279 – Thank you for getting the word out; excellent job. I fully admit this is not the sexiest issue to attack on; but having an incontravertable crime to base your further investigation on either removes or weakens almost every defense and objection the Administration can put up. It also, I believe, makes it a lot easier for the average citizen out there that is not as well informed as the residents here. It simply reeks of Nixon and Watergate and people can relate to that.
And, in the sense of the day, here is a little trip down YouTube memory lane…
“The inaudible and noiseless foot of Time” – William Shakespeare
bmaz @ 300
Well, Vonnegut almost gets his wish… we’ve almost got Watergate back, in spades, and the return of Nixon’s antics is not far behind. Vonnegut said, “I wish we had Nixon back. Bush is so ignorant.”
larue @ 299
Welcome. Have a glass of Wine house.
meep! @
20
Gee, what a surprise …
Nothing that was ever put forth on the internet is lost.
Congress gonna out the company that WH hired (blogs, here, done it already) and hold THEM accountable for the server trails that are gonna look like the Aurora Borealis. THEN, skewer those that USED it, and sanctioned it and enabled it.
Damn, these are GOOD times!
larue, i will miss KPIG when I move out of the area. Thank goodness I will still be able to listen to them online.
My favorite part about the Imus meltdown is Ann Coulter calling Don Imus a liberal.
larue @ 307
Nothing that was ever put forth on the internet is lost.
Congress gonna out the company that WH hired (blogs, here, done it already) and hold THEM accountable for the server trails that are gonna look like the Aurora Borealis. THEN, skewer those that USED it, and sanctioned it and enabled it.
Damn, these are GOOD times!
This story is the kind that the average American can get angry at. People will begin seeing cover-up and dishonesty.
I highly recommend this short story by Vonnegut: Harrison Bergeron
Dover Bitch @ 311
Thanks. Just saved the link.
TexasBetsy @ 292
Aunt Betsy!! I am going to send you all some books..see Snarkassandra for details..)
Eureka Springs @ 313
Thank you! We can’t seem to have anyone in this family sleep or be awake on the same schedule!
montag @ 283
Try this equivalent poll question: Should Congress raise taxes on the middle and lower classes so that the rich and the ultra-rich can get a big tax cut?
Mark Morford reaches driftglassian, nay, Rude Punditesque territory more often than not. worth a gander:
Dover Bitch @
311
Thanks!
Experts will attempt to recover e-mails. LATimes via ThinkProgress:
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..-headlines
Off to sleep now – good to share good memories of Vonnegut books w/ other Lakers. My ex and I were always a little bit proud of him because he grew up in Indianapolis (as did I, mostly), but, like us, left for the East Coast.
Was just skimming before turning off the ‘puter when I saw the announcement. Have to search my bookshelves tomorrow. Night, all.
Loo Hoo @ 318
Oh I hope the experts are smarter than the RNC brats!
Interesting bit from the LA Times article:
my my, my.
Loo Hoo @ 318
Uh, maybe I’m missing it, but I see nothing about *independent* experts doing forensics on the servers, just that RNC’s experts are attempting to recover them.
Uhhhh, suuuure they are.
punaise @ 316
Hell, he may have reached Wolcottian standards. Now that is my idea of snark.
Suzanne @ 321
SO SO glad the mainstream press is starting to be interested in this story.
Peterr @
47
Oh dear. And here I’ve been reading Umberto Eco’s Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana, with all these references to pulp sci-fi and comic books, which is all about stuff like this.
I’d better stay away from that Gutenberg site a while longer!
Loo Hoo @ 318
We’re getting closer and closer to a true Butterfield moment here. By the end of May, they may be broadcasting Waxman’s hearings live on radio and TV
newtonusr @
254
Not sure about Broadway but he has been seen on stage in SF over many years. A veteran film actor he may be more familar more recently from his V.P. role to Gina Davis’ President – the short lived TV series.
Try this link for feature and documentary film credits http://www.petercoyote.com.
Haven’t read Vonnegut in years, but always retained a fondness for him that wouldn’t die.
One of the saddest things I ever read was his description in Palm Sunday of his mother’s suicide (she swallowed Drano–what a terrible way to die!). It was so horrifying, and he described it so calmly, which only amplified the horror.
punaise @ 316
omg
bdu said -
Nor do I..
from the article
WTF! They have admitted they screwed up. Why would any investigation allow these folks a minutes access to the hard drives of the crime? Much less allow them to produce the data sometime after friday!
newspaperbrat @ 327
I’m really familiar with him as a character actor (Jagged Edge, etc.), but not in a long while. He did a quick appearance in Deadwood, I think last season.
lolo @ 329
Speaking of powerful writers! Mon Dieu, indeed!
I like this passage from the LATimes article
If the loyal Bushies were doing partisan business on the USAtty replacements, they were merely following instructions, weren’t they? Perhaps this is an admission.
Fern @ 100
You might be able to guess the first :)
rip Kurt.
best wishes and love!
These are the last two paragraphs from the LA Times article.
don’t see independent. see white house review and white house investigation.
we know how those will turn out. nothing here, move along, nothing to see, look shiny thing here.
Fern @ 320
Everything old is new again….
newspaperbrat @ 332
Morford is a huge treat! He reminds me a lot of Tom Robbins. He publishes on Wed & Fri in the SF Chronicle and on sfgate.com. Occasionally he goes off on techie gadgets which I can’t get into, but when he is on food, sex, or politics I can’t get enuf!
Any better info in this article? My brain is half fried right now.
From the LAT:
Perhaps I’m a cynic here, but that reads like the entire ‘forensic’ process will be ‘make sure they’re really deleted, boys!’ I’d want the FBI doing it, along with the US Archivist’s staff.
The other subtext from that piece is the briefing came right after Conyers and Waxman’s staffs met together with the WH about backchannel emails. I can think of at least two people who won’t take that lying down.
pseudonymous in nc @ 340
You want our FBI, the FBI that is under the jurisdiction of the DoJ and has fucked up royally with the NSA letters as discussed in Feingold’s hearing today??? I don’t know who else we have, but I don’t think I’d pick them.
Those who like Morford can sign up to get his column delivered into your inbox. Sign up is at the bottom of his column.
Morford has been hilarious forever. I’ve been on his email list for years, but I don’t read every update as religiously as I once did. I mean, once you’ve read one of his paeans to bloop sticks, lube and Blowfish, you’ve kinda read them all…
Being way down here I’m a bit behind (despite being 17 hours ahead of PDT) and just came across this from the general. Perhaps the best take on Imus’s sleaze.
Ed*ard Teller @ 326
Where is spiderpaws? We need an update on Abu’s chart.
pseudonymous in nc @ 337
That explains why the WH was in a hurry to announce this–they wanted to get in front of the story so Waxman couldn’t say to the press, “oh, by the way, your friends in the WH lost a bunch of these emails we had questions about” and invoke the ghost of Rose Mary Woods.
lolo, spiderpaws is on vacation.
montag @ 346
Waxman can certainly still point that out to the public.
rxbusa @ 333
uh, du-uh Waxman said same thing a coupla paragraphs later:
With regard to the “unusual admission of a mistake” and Stanzel saying “we didn’t do a good enough job”—I am always suspicious of these guys’ blatant incompetence. I think a good deal of it hides willful negligence…and in this case worse, obstruction of justice.
They can go in with an electron microscope searching for ones and zeros if they feel like spending the money and time. At a minimum, they should be able to determine if the files were just deleted or the drives were overwritten repeatedly over every sector to deliberately wipe them.
TexasBetsy @ 345
Yes, and he probably will. :)
But, getting out there first and doing a limited hangout is a classic ploy this bunch have inherited from the Nixon days….
newtonusr @ 331
He is a wonderful human being. We’ve known him for many years and miss his visits to the central coast. His spiritual father, the late great jazz bassist, Buddy Jones, who made his home in Carmel Valley, died a few years ago so we don’t see Peter as often as we’d like. They were both Kurt devotees and now that I think about it one of both of them knew him rather well.
Coyote is a fine actor and gets my vote for Kurt’s bio-film – not to mention they have an uncanny resemblence to the other.
TexasBetsy >
Well, there is this (emphasis mine):
“…”This sounds like the administration’s version of the dog ate my homework,” said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), D-Vt. “I am deeply disturbed that just when this administration is finally subjected to meaningful oversight, it cannot produce the necessary information.”…”
Wonder what he is saying in private ? Oh, to be a fly on the wall !
“…It is those who describe me as an extremist who happen to be the extremists against whom I am warning the electorate.” – George Soros
rxbusa @ 341
Or the NSA? You’ve got a point, because the WH is brilliant at targetting the bits of government that would deal with its abuses. It’s like an auto-immune deficiency on the body politic.
What I want is the Archivist’s office involved. I don’t know whether ‘the dog ate my emails’ constitutes ‘disposal’ under 44 USC 2203, but I don’t know what else applies.
I think there’s a political calculation going on. The WH’s new instruction is ’send through the backchannel… but keep a copy for our lawyers’, which sounds like inoculation against Hatch Act violations at the risk of violating the PRA. Thing is, the PRA doesn’t authorize specific punishments for trashing the archive: it relies on a kind of ‘preznit’s honour’. The Hatch Act does: it says ‘you’re fired’.
I’d say that it counts as impeachable if there’s evidence of deliberately trashing or ‘losing’ bits of the archive. Nixon Articles 1.4, 2.5, and potentially Article 3.
daCascadian @ 350
I’ll bet his staff has to wash their ears out first thing every evening….
I lost track of who posted the link to The Loved One. What a great movie that was/is! I saw it on a date in high school…a first date as I recall, and it was pretty strange…and will never forget it. Time for a rental, methinks.
pseudonymous in nc @ 354
So at this point, who DO we trust? Who do we trust to do an investigation?
newspaperbrat @ 327
For some reason, I know he’s a good Lefty – environmental issues, I think. But KV has had the big hair and the ’stache for so long, I can’t place the resemblence. ITYWFI.
rxbusa @ 355
Fabulous, hilarious book, too – Evelyn Waugh
daCascadian @ 353
As emptywheel said, that’s an interesting statement from Leahy. Conyers’ staff appear to be pretty clued. What I want from Leahy, Conyers and Waxman is a strong response, along the lines of ‘emails don’t just “vanish”, and if the White House or RNC can’t find them, we’ll just have to help them out.’
Anyone checked Dick’s undisclosed location?
montag >
They wear ear plugs no doubt…
“Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.” – Thomas Jefferson
pseudonymous in nc @ 351
If someone tries to get the NSA involved, somebody’s going to put two and two together and come up with five. If it turns out–in even the slightest, most innocuous way–that the WH asked for or was given political intelligence on the opposition by the NSA, we’re right back to 1974.
TexasBetsy @ 357
All points bulletin for FITZ! if only…..
Dover Bitch @ 350
Something about this whole e-mail thing just occurred to me:
What if this whole ,’my dog ate it’, act crap is a stall for time so they can synthesize a whole fake drive full of bogus e-mails? With digital things there’s no real way to determine age, is there? Maybe that’s why they’re kibitzing? They’re waiting until Josh&Co. at TPM is breaking down some other big doc-dump and are running around like one-armed paper hangers and can’t give the e-mails all their attention. Hopefully, like the last time with the 3,000 e-mails, there will be plenty of volunnteers to act as another version of SETI. Only this time there really IS a search for intelligent life… In the White House.
rxbusa @ 353
Uh, moi. :)
pseudonymous in nc @ 354
Bush’s White House = the AIDS of good government
montag @ 365
Well then, thanks for the great flashback!;-)
pseudonymous in nc @ 340
Ka-ching!
And where is TRex. Hope he is okay with the storm.
Fitz, yeah! Does the Congress have any power to appoint a Special Prosecutor? Could they re-enact the Independent Prosecutor law?
from media matters
National media bury Wisconsin story backing up charges that Bush has politicized U.S. attorney offices
An April 11 article in The Washington Post on the House Judiciary Committee’s decision to subpoena hundreds of Justice Department documents related to the U.S. attorney firings noted that Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) has “joined other members in demanding records and additional information about a federal public corruption case” in Wisconsin. Regarding the case, the Post reported only that a federal appeals court in Chicago ordered a former state employee to be “released after overturning her conviction.” The article did not report that Georgia Thompson — who was not identified by name — was convicted on charges brought by a Bush-appointed U.S. attorney just before the 2006 election, that Wisconsin Republicans used her conviction to attack Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle (D) during the campaign, that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit took the highly unusual action of ordering the defendant released during oral argument because of the lack of evidence to support the conviction, and that Feingold and five other senators have requested information about the case to investigate whether “politics may have played an inappropriate role” in the prosecution
pseudonymous in nc @ 360
Of course, there’s the shredder truck on its way to Shooters house last year – they’ve been way ahead on doc destruction. Who actually thought they wouldn’t fall back on the adolescent “dog ate your government” excuse?
L.S./M.F.T. @ 364
It’s tricky to falsify an entire email trail if you know what you’re looking for. Message IDs and such, server logs, etc. That’s why Conyers wanted full metadata, bcc: headers, and hard drive images.
My suspicion is that they’re combing the .gov archive for evidence of non-.gov emails. Why? We only know about Scott Jennings’ gwb43.com emails because Kyle Sampson included the original message in his reply. We only know about Karl’s address because it’s listed in a header.
I think they’re trying to scrub the shadow of the backchannel from the official archive. Because they’re sloppy enough to mix the two.
When I teach and a student gives me an excuse like that, I ask to see the remnants of the paper. Also tell the kids that if they already did it once, it shouldn’t take long to do it again. :)
Loo Hoo @ 368
If he lost power I like to envision him curled up with the kitties and they are all peacefully sleeping or cat napping.
I think I am going to try to sleep a bit more. Nice visiting with y’all again.
petedownunder @ 344
Pete! How’s tricks?
When I teach and a student gives me an excuse like that, I ask to see the remnants of the paper. Also tell the kids that if they already did it once, it shouldn’t take long to do it again. :)
I like the way you think, Betsy.
TexasBetsy @ 370
Ding
TexasBetsy @ 375
Right back at yah TexasBetsy – sweet dreams!
petedownunder @ 344
The girls themselves said it just right: He took their day, their joy away from them. And like I said earlier, Imus just did what Imus always does, so fuck ‘im, but we should never forgive him for stealing those girls’ joy.
pseudonymous in nc @ 360
Plus, somebody(s) has hard copies on their end. More subpoenas of lackeys. They can’t all be so in love with gwb that they’ll take time in the slammer.
…Blogger ethics? Driftglass goes long.
nite all
Has John Dean weighed in on the stonewalling of the emails?
pseudonymous in nc @ 360
Maybe he’s here:
FLAGSTAFF, Ariz., April 11 (UPI) — U.S. astronomers have, for the first time, identified water in the atmosphere of an extrasolar planet.
The identification was accomplished using Hubble Space Telescope measurements and theoretical models developed by Lowell Observatory astronomer Travis Barman. He found strong evidence for water absorption in the atmosphere of transiting planet HD209458b.
“We now know that water vapor exists in the atmosphere of one extrasolar planet and there is good reason to believe that other extrasolar planets contain water vapor,” said Barman.
And I always thought the Bushistas wanted to shut down the Hubble to satisfy the young earth creationists. Nah! They don’t want us to find their even better hidey holes than Paraguay..
rxbusa @ 369
Sure they can. Congress just budgeted approx.$225 million for investigations. Democrats have been documenting the lies, theft and murder since January 19, 2001.
I have the highest possible regard for Waxman. He is a Patriot on a level with Thomas Jefferson. Joe Wilson is a national treasure for speaking out, as is Scott Ritter. There are many others, but I’m just making a point. We almost lost our America.
npb, I’ve not heard mention of anything from Dean’s perspective yet. I’m sure we will. Hopefully, Dean will weigh in soon.
pseudonymous in nc says
My suspicion is that they’re combing the .gov archive for evidence of non-.gov emails. Why? We only know about Scott Jennings’ gwb43.com emails because Kyle Sampson included the original message in his reply. We only know about Karl’s address because it’s listed in a header.
I agree, it would be very difficult to fake a whole big shebang like that. But you’d be amazed at some of the computer geeks that rolled over and work for the ‘G’ instead of doing 3 to 5 for kiddie porn or some other internet-related offense. There used to be a whole office full of them but that was before 9/11 and the DHS reorganization. Who knows where they’re being kept now?
(I wonder if I will get my name on a file somewhere for even mentioning it?)
TexasBetsy @ 370
Kind of a turning point, isn’t it. Imprisoning white females instead of brown males. Fuckery of the highest order.
Ed*ard Teller- Remember the triana mission?
I think Fitz noticed the non-dot gov also. Remember his comment about WH email not being archieved in the usual way.
pseudonymous in nc @ 372
Maybe Sampson believed some of his religious indoctrination or upbringing? Somebody with integrity and patriotism will come forward.
waving to egregious if you’re still here – have you seen any news on the missing WH?DOJ emails in the international media?
smapdi @ 389
Did it get de-funded or did it explode – I can’t remember.
It got nicknamed Goresat, basically defunded, still in storage.
These people cant hate science enough.
Wiki Triana link
Next they will be telling me that God put the arsenic in my drinking water.
LooHoo,
Remember when Kyle testified he was taken back by Orrins reaction to his saying TOO much. He let out a little gasp and got a stupid look on his face (all the time humming to himself Jesus wants me for a sunbeam) all the while dumping the LDS church in the mud with lies and cover up. Disgusting.
lolo
Ed*ard Teller @ 384
ET, first you use a naughty word then you ridicule religion. Love ya!
My ole tired eyes are giving out – thanks all for another compelling late nite…am gonna save Suzanne’s tempting Triana link for morning coffee.
(((((FDL)))))
(waving g’nite to npb across the monterey bay)
Balrog @
24
A balrog who behaves? What kind of strangeness is that? Next you’ll be claiming to be all cool and cuddly and stuff.
Cassie– beware the long, whip-like tail that comes back after you think he’s gone :-)
Sorry I’m late again. I was trying to finish up downstairs on the previous thread.
FDL is a strange place, what with Balrogs and Therapods as well as Firepups. Ah, diversity! It makes life interesting, doesn’t it?
Bob in HI
newspaperbrat @ 399
Sweet dreams newspaperbrat
G’Night npb!
lolo @ 397
I didn’t get to see it, but lolo, I trust you.
That’s about it for me tonight, folks. G’nite all.
I think this was my favorite Winehouse so far.
This “lost” email business (link to LA Times article for convenience) is really pissing me off. What does it take to nail these guys? I mean, we know the Justice Department isn’t going to pitch in and confiscate the computers so they can’t be irreversibly erased. Instead we are expected to wait for the RNC and the White House to “attempt” to recover the messages?
Nite Suzanne
Josh at TPM needs our help. Check it out.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..013573.php
G’night Suzanne…
And G’night, to one and all from me as well, and thanks for an interesting evening too.
Bob @ 406
Bob
Emptywheel has a great post up at TNH about this so does Josh at TPM.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..013581.php
Here’s another issue that maybe we can discuss tomorrow night. The education system has been hijacked. Not just the student loan corruption, but the whole NCLB legislation. I know that Kennedy supported it, but I know that he was interested in ethnic equality. Rove/Bush, I think, had far more sinister plans. In my opinion, NCLB was designed (by way of test scores to be compliant)to dumb down people.
I’ve been teaching for a long old time, and take pride in having taught many citizens to think, discern, question and judge. This is out the window with NCLB.
Students (and young teachers, sadly), are taught to memorize, use formulas, and groupthink.
Our entire educational system is in crisis.
lolo @ 408
I love that Josh is doing this! I hate to watch most tv, but I will for the better good.
Loo Hoo @ 412
It is going to be fun to watch this evolve everyday.
lolo,
So much fun. I am on vacation for another couple of days so I can stay up late. Love you, lolo.
Loo Hoo @
411
The loan system is what’s screwing me over. I don’t have any leeway to do what i need to start classes over again after my surgery is over this late spring. I want to start up again in the fall. But because i’ve missed and failed so many classes because of chronic and sometimes debilitating pain? I’m more than likely cut off at the knees for loans for funding, and i can say good bye to any possible grants.
I’m an adult, i’ve been working for a good 12 years now. I know what it amounts to but there is no mercy from the professors unless i’m bedridden and in the hospital. Apparrently, chronic pain isn’t allowed. It’s easier to deal with work becuase i have coworkers that have family that have endometriosis. So they empathize and let me rest when i need it. (which is when in laid out and too nauseaus to drive or walk). But apparrently i’m supposed to be an immortal 18 year old with no health issues. And no time to sleep to heal, either. Between homework and job.
I really doubt discussing this with the registrar or the financial aid office will do me anygood. I was as good as told last semester if my grades weren’t good, i wasn’t getting any more financial aid. Health issues be damned. That’s a very large gaping flaw in the system right there, much less how hard it is to get a grant or a fellowship larger than 1000$ here and there.
Peterr said @ 10.10 -
It’s those dealers, masquerading as librarians. They’ll get you every time.
“Oh, you liked that one? Well, have you ever tried this?”
I got hooked around nine or so, when I was visiting my grandparents. I got sent to my guest room for doing something I shouldn’t have (don’t remember what), and told not to come back downstairs for an hour. After five minutes, I noticed these old books on the shelf: Tom Swift.
When I hadn’t come back downstairs after three hours, they came looking for me. “Wait — I just want to finish this chapter.”
When we went home, I happened to mention this event in the presence of a friend’s mom, who was a librarian at the public library. She got this evil gleam in her eye . . .
That is a so fun story; gotta love those keepers of books!
I think some cock-up of this was the original notion—plan is too dignified a word—behind using the RNC accounts as a backchannel, back before Rove et al. had to take seriously the possibility of being questioned on their actions.
But can this still work now that they’ve sent signals about it in public? I mean, to paraphrase Dr. Strangelove, what good is a backchannel if everyone knows how it runs?
More to my point though, under the circumstances, isn’t the RNC liability for what happens through their facilities now quite apparent? My framework for trying to figure out what might happen next, or at any rate soon, involves pressure building up on the WH/OVP groups from places they had not anticipated it. I think from the day those out-of-bounds emails were revealed, the pressure coming from the national party honchos tightened an order or two of magnitude.
Mornin’ pups!
Seems somehow fitting that Mr. Vonnegut’s passing will be honored in Maine with 6 to 10 inches of snow and ice. He’ll be missed.
Listening to Imus online. He says that he wouldn’t be in this situation if he had not said what he said and, rather than whine about it, he will meet with the Rutgers women,to apologize and then try to make it a better show. He also wonders when the Sharpton press conference to apologize to the Duke lacrosse players is scheduled.
Good morning, pups. In the NYT Bobo thinks that St. McCain won’t be hurt by snuggling up to the Iraq war, and Bob Herbert has a few choice things to say about Don Imus.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
TRex was right about the weather last night. No tornado here, but thunder loud enough to shake the house.
Coffee and tea are ready, and freshly toasted Thomas’s English Muffins.
Marion,
Yesterday’s 2 inches of snow is still on my lawn
Weird
Makes it hard to remember to do my taxes.
Fun exercise:
http://maps.google.com
Select Driving directions
From Atlanta, GA to Paris, France
See line 21
Loo Hoo @ 381
quite so. but no need to subpoena lackeys,
as the boss is already holding one. . . and
it clearly requires all his lackeys to comply.
and now — in the land of “BACK TO BACK”,
i’ll note that only one day before the RNC
made this astonishing admission, rep. john
conyers, and his house judiciary committee
served a subpoena duces tecum (or,
bring your documents, in latin) upon the AG-
for-the-moment, alberto gonzales.
one day — back to back, as it were.
here is some of my own freshly-
baked html/jpeg stuff on what happens when
subpoenaed e-mails are destroyed by the
united states attorney general’s office. . .
g’mornin’, or g’night, one and all. . .
that is my first sighting or hearing of amy winehouse.
zowie. what a song/songstress.
Explosion rocks Iraqi parliament building
mornin’ all!
raven @
419
Exactly.
He screwed up. He’s taking responsibility.
There’s a lot of cheering about what MSNBC did, but the Cassandra in me does wonder just how quickly this will be used as a precedent and justification for killing net neutrality.
“There are parts of Bagdad where you can walk freely”
Apparently even in the Green Zone if you are the resistancetwolf1 @ 424
More Iacocca today, please!
Prairie Sunshine @ 426
I don’t know. I’ve been listening to him for about 4 years. I have cringed quite a bit but there has also been a lot of stuff I liked. The piece that Marion posted about the 60 Minutes deal really gave me pause. This wasn’t isolated and he has promised to do better in the past. On a side note, Sharpton just said, “I have used this kind of language in private and I need to be better”.
Again, Raven, exactly.
Last night my hubby came into the bedroom and said what’s this date? I replied and he said “remember this date. Just now I turned off an episode of CSI and the banter between the two investigators was ‘ho’s’ and ‘your ho’s’ and that’s a CBS show…”
And I say that in no way as a defense of Imus. He’s said it’s indefensible and I agree it is. But proportionality matters too. And consistency. And hypocrisy.
My last only word on Imus.
I can relate to humor that ‘crosses the line’
I *Heart* The Onion, which crosses the line on a regular basis.
But The Onion never presents itself as any sort of serious public forum.
The fact that it is more accurate in parody than the mainstream media is not to be celebrated.
Imus cannot reconcile the roles of good hearted philanthropist insightful interviewer and misogynist shock jock.
The good gives validity to the bad which is only acceptable in parody.
There may be a place for his special blend, but, in this instance, ‘market forces’ (ie: rightfully offended women and people of color) should be allowed to prevail.
Here’s a paragon of virtue that the network (I think ABC) had on their NFL kickoff
Trex,
From one of your postings, I understand you live in Athens, Ga. (Me,too.) Which radio station?
Tanna @ 433
He’s on the late night on WUGA. I live here too.
WUGA
CNN planning to talk about the Duke LaCrosse story and focusing on DA Nifong’s excesses. No mention yet of the “out-of-control press” comment from the press conference speaker yesterday.
I do hope we can talk about that a bit. Marty Kaplan’s take on the Imus stuff at HuffPo did resonate with me.
Okay, I’m STFUing now… time to refill the coffee mugs. Oh, except, hey, BBC America reports news at this hour. Yay!
‘Morning FirePups!
Just heard/saw that Amy Winehouse song…
Maybe I’m just sour today (okOK!) but I thought:
* Too much makeup
* Obvious lip-synching; get it right to the Millisecond, woman! (and no, I don’t think YouTube is off)
* Too much cleavage to be credible (!and this from a fella who usually likes it!) :)
* In that vein, the conjunction of “My odds are stacked” with a chest shot was just too too.
* After Cindy Crawford, “beauty marks” are so old
* Details wrong, like burial of an object way less than 6′ under…
* Ella Fitzgerald she ain’t, though she tries to be.
Good thing this thread will be killed soon, so that these comments will be buried as well. Sorry TRex. No EPUing, I promise :)
PS — Hope your area survived the storms.
mornin’ all,
new thread up top
S.O.S. from MA @
436
Good thing this thread will be killed soon, so that these comments will be buried as well. Sorry TRex. No EPUing, I promise :)
PS — Hope your area survived the storms.
It was a false alarm here in Northeast Georgia but it did look ominous.
Raven, Your Snoop quote is pretty good I thought actually. He makes a valid point. It is another question whether prostitutes deserve respect as well, and we can take issue with him there, but the claim that his use of the derogatory terms and Imus’s are the same is specious and he says this well. NPR yesterday had a pretty decent discussion of this yesterday. I think it was Tom A’s on-point. I normally can’t stand him, he tends to whitewash little things like torture, etc. But the point a key point they made is that the claim that “it’s just comedy” is also specious. Derisive humor that is directed at ones self is totally different from derisive humor directed at someone else. One is comedy, the other is bullying. That said, I wish this whole conversation was more about why the MSM legitimizes hate and lies and less about this particular hateful liar. And I don’t think the answer is just that they are lazy or that there is an audience for it.
Loo Hoo @
144
I would agree with other comments here that yes, much if not most of the data thought to have been deleted can be retrieved.
Additionally, typical emails travel many paths to get where they are going. Just because KKKarl ordered a mass delete doesn’t mean stuff isn’t still sitting out there somewhere.
I also agree that any usage of ‘electronic shredders’ leave a distinctive data pattern that will alert to such chicanery.