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Obama joins John Edwards in pulling out of the CBC/Fox Debate:
Barack Obama has chosen not to attend September's presidential debate co-sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News, an aide said, effectively dooming the event.
Obama is the only member of the Congressional Black Caucus running for President, and his decision allows other candidates to skip the debate without facing criticism that they are turning their backs on a leading black institution.
BAR and Color of Change were instrumental in putting pressure on candidates to boycott this, for all the right reasons. Congratulations to them on their success, and to Obama for doing the right thing. This was important.
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WHEEEEEE!
great news!
Reward good behavior!
I’m glad Obama did the right thing.
Thank you Barack. I love it when politicians to the right thing for the right reason. It is so refereshing.
Maybe someone at Fox will be able to connect the dots and figure out what the message here is.
Naw, who am I trying to kid.
Yay!
Hooray for Jane!!
Hooray for Obama!!
I saw this at TPM & followed it to their source, which was politico.com. I am not well versed in internet I guess because I read the post & I was quite jazzed with how it was handled, posted here, and then went back and read the comments,
Just amazing. I guess I have been successful in isolating myself from the fringe.
yikes.
Perfect.. Obama may actually learn from mistakes and constituents..
How Democratic
And once again Kudos to Edwards for leading the way!
Bustenuckles @
5
I was gonna ask if ya ever noticed that fat chance and slim chance mean the same thing…
I hope people are turning off/tuning out FOX. I had hope the other day when I went into an office that always has FOX on their teevee and instead of FOX it was on the National Geographic Channel. Small victories.
Wow, this is an excellent move. Note that Edwards has led on both the FOX pullouts.
According to politico’s commenters, this “cowardice” shows that neither Obama nor Edwards has the cojones to stand up to the leaders of the axis of evil, let alone Brit Hume or Bill Orally.
If there was ever a question about who politico.com targets, the comments on this story clear things up. It’s the new knuckle-dragger, cheeto-eater, moms-basement kinda happy place. I sure hope pool boi and Mike ’sloppychin’ Allen are happy with their readership. Every single commenter seems to have a Rove-incoming fax machine.
Good for Sen Obama. Now let the smearing begin. Wait, let the smearing pick up intensity.
Didn’t Edwards say he wouldn’t take part in the fauax debate?
Sens Clinton, Dodd and Biden, not that joe had a chance in hell the ball is in your court.
Yay Barack Obama!
Yay John Edwards!
Boo Faux Nooz!!
Down with the Neocon Bushies and their stooges!
neurophius @ 3
Yeah, but why does Obama always have to be worked on to do the right thing? I remember a very wishy-washy Obama before the Alito filibuster. I want a candidate who takes initiative to do the right thing, darnit!
Good video. Faux No News – High Standards in Public Discourse.
mui @ 16
I agree. However, he just expended a ton of political capital and it is the first “risky” thing I can recall him doing.
Maybe he will actually grow a pair?
Maybe it’s just me. OK, it probably IS me, but when I see Mary Matalin like in the video, she looks like one of the old time cartoons with a still picture and the animated mouth superimposed on it. NOTHING on her face moves except for her mouth. Icccchhh and Yuccka!
The Politic-hole is piggybacking on Drudges numbers.
Both Allen and Vandehei are very suspect. Mike Allen’s work at Time proved to me that he was one of Karl Rove’s go to guys for getting Rove’s spin out.
-GSD
A slightly OT PSA –
Joe Wilson will be speaking on Thursday, at the 59th Annual Conference on World Affairs in Boulder Colorado.
Friday, Harry Belafonte and Paul Krugman will be on the same panel.
All sessions are free and open to the public; seating is on a first come basis.
Conference Schedule
4103 PLENARY The Politics of Truth
9:30-10:30 on Thursday April 12, 2007
Macky Auditorium
Panelists: Joe Wilson
Moderator: Steven McCarthy
Hmmmmmmmmm, It seems to me that the General Public is quickly becoming Americas NEWEST special interest group.
This has got to be verrrry unsettling to the K Street elites
lucky boulder
Fox’s brand is taking a shellacking. Repeat after me.
They’ll always have Alan Colmes to kick around.
-GSD
mui @ 16
I think that’s the Obama-wants-to-get-along-with-everyone meme. He’s living in a time warp–in a far distant time–when all the current Rs have died off. As long as there’s one left, we don’t want to get along with him. They are vile creatures. This, and his inexperience, is why I think very lowly of Obama. Plus I inherited a charisma-resistant gene.
Jane is right. This is big. For several reason:
1) it means that snubbing FOX has become so mainstream that even Obama is willing to do it
2) it means that Edwards is the big winner here because “frontrunners” find they have to copy his actions. He is setting the pace.
3) it means that polling must be showing that voters are hungering for a leader who acts on principle
4) which means that other politicians will be encouraged to act on principle which has suddenly become fashionable
which bodes well for continuing Congressional oversight AND you may even see MSM framing things in different terms.
GSD @ 20
Has someone put together a list of Rove’s go-to media? Would make a good post.
So, once again it was John Edwards who actually LED THE WAY in doing the right thing.
And his populism certainly seems genuine.
Anybody know if Obama has strong populist sentiments? Is my hunch that he’s closer to the DLC on corporate matters based in reality? Or did I just have a bad dream about it?
GSD @ 20
Please also recall the slobbering Mike Allen got from Chimpy at his first WH press conference as politico’s man. First one called on, with much ado about the new venture from the Chimpster, heh-heh.
dakine01 @ 19
Can you even imagine how much botox is in that face?
So who are the big losers today?
Fox News and Hillary Clinton.
Way to lead, Hillary.
-ck- @ 21
Is that the conference where Valerie was supposed to speak & Joe took her place? If so, anyone know why the switch?
brendancalling @
2
And this would be a swell time to show our appreciation by tipping $5 into Edwards *and* Obama’s ActBlue pages. Good candidates!
eCAHNomics @ 25
ABH, my man. Any(Dem)body But Hillary.
Heard a great interview with Edwards the other day. He said that, after all he and his family have been through, he no longer feels the need to say anything but how he feels and what he believes is the truth.
Cancer can do that. I’ve felt my own liberation as a result of my son’s illness, and we need look no farther than Jane and Howie Klein to see marvelous courage and speaking truth to power after brushes with The Fucker.
Obama has a lot of potential, and good on him for not toeing the line.
Bustenuckles @ 5
Actually, there are probably some bean-counters backstage who are taking note of this, along with the folks at the Fox broadcasting network (as distinct from the Fox News cable station) who work with the local affiliate stations. Neither the bean counters nor the local affiliates will like Fox being held accountable for its rightwingers if it’s going to cost them money:
“First they came for us in Nevada.
“Then they came for us in Detroit.
“Watch out for them on Wall Street, because sooner or later this is going to hurt the bottom line, and that’s going to hurt the stock price.”
Not that this will make the Fox News higherups listen to them, of course. But there are folks watching, and it’s got to be making them very nervous.
(I hear there’s a lot of that nervousness going around these days — DOJ, the White House, Fox . . .)
eCAHNomics @ 32
I’m not sure — maybe the twins need mommy, and the lawyers want Valerie to keep a low profile?
*xyz @ 31
Doesn’t lead.
Doesn’t even follow well.
Does that leave “get out of the way” ??
This video is genius. Finally a way to triangulate for our own benefit. In your face FOX. WE control the message.
Fascinating to watch the wingnuts over on Ben Smith’s Politico blog trot out all their juvenile “You must be a coward! Nyaah!” tricks on Edwards and Obama. As if to say “Wait! Please come back and let me hit you!!?!! PLEEEEZZE???”
See how easy that was, Democrats?
“Be on our show/debate/ambush program.”
“No. You’re a bunch of right-wing whores.”
“We’ll put bad stories about you on the air.”
“You already do. I don’t care. Everyone knows you’re a joke. Go Cheney yourself.”
Well NOW I am certain – I am voting for Edwards and would be thrilled if Obama were his VP. There’s simply no excuse for Hilary not coming out as a non-participant in the Faux debate from the get-go and she has confirmed for me (by her failure to do so) that she is what I had feared – more driven by political strategy than a desire to make a mark in history for progressive causes.
eCAHNomics @ 25
So that’s what it is! I must be charisma-proof! I freely admit I’ve just never been able to figure out what the fuss is about w/Obama. I mean, yeah, he’s nice enough, and maybe he’d be a fine president if the world was a happy, peaceful place, but it’s not. I can’t see him getting us out of Iraq, or through the mess that will ensue, or cleaning the moles out of the administration or outsmarting Newt or whichever UberR he’ll be dealing with in Congress.
Deacon Blues @ 40
Donald and Walter could, I’m sure, put that to music.
I think Obama is making a big mistake. Fox just announced that Don Imus was signed on to moderate this thing.
-GSD
Tucker says liberals are willing to give Imus a pass after hangin George Allen. Ha! He ain’t reading this blog.
Thanks Jane John has your back.
klyde @
14
Yup, and he was the first to bow out of the Nevada FOX debates, too.
They have no choice but to bow out now.
Without Obama, it’s a joke.
Is it true that that Obama will not be accepting pac money?
Seems like he did the politically expedient thing. May be not so much on Edwards’ part, since he was the first to pull out. In any case, whey does not take them this long to decline participation in any Fox sponsored event, it should be automatic until Fox really reforms.
OT
I am beginning to think that IRAN is intentionally trying to create mischief in order to keep Oil Prices elevated. Iran Expands Uranium Enrichment
I would also like to point out that last November when Oil and Gas prices dipped before the elections, I accurately predicted Gas would be at $3 a gallon within 6 months. Have we just become calloused to being taken advantage of?
BBc is talking about blogs at this moment. Censorship and safety.
retirin’ in five @ 43
Ha-ha! I’m humming it already!
Bolton just will not give up on bombing Iran.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..45352.html
If you have not seen this video at you tube about Iran. Worth the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWGa9ViY7G8
dakine01 @
19
She reminds me of the shriveled apple head dolls.
It’s time for whoever in the D party who considers debates to just say to FOX..you are off the table entirely.
realworld @
10
And Obama for following how the winds blow.
You may want to Send in a statement about blogging, censorship and firedoglake to newshour@bbc.co.uk. Just did
Hillary and Joe Biden flanking Brit Hume will be a scream. I wonder if she has already assured Murdoc or Ailes that she would show.
LHP @ 30:
I’m curious as to who determined that an immovable/stone face is supposed to be attractive. It ain’t.
kathleen @ 51
Sounds like they’re picking up on the NYT “play nice, blogosphere” story that came out today. It’s not just presstitution, it’s Johnalism.
Actually, Matalin always reminds me of Cruella DeVille, ever since her over-the-top Sunday chat show performance when she lashed out screaming at everyone present.
I’m sure it was the magic metallic hypno-flower on her chest in a day-glo crimson shade to match her extremely long, painted claws that cemented this image.
Do we have any other source on this? Someone speaking officially from the the campaign. Politico has not proven to be a reliable source of news.
I think the Dems should keep scheduling debates with Fox and then cancelling on the basis that Fox is biased, until Fox catches on that it is being suckered.
Go get it James.
Cruella DeCarville and her husband can have each other. Their freakish push-me/pull-you Sunday talkshow/horrorshow schtick causes my blood to curdle.
As to FUX.
Can’t wait to see what sweaty Roger Ailes has to say this time…..
-GSD
Enjoy that stagnant demographic Ailes.
S.O.S. from MA @ 60
Sounds like they’re picking up on the NYT “play nice, blogosphere” story that came out today. It’s not just presstitution, it’s Johnalism.
In my email, I reminded them that since they didn’t have freedom of speech, they couldn’t possibly appreciate it.
HotFlash @ 42
Hot Flash, you’re right. He has blinders on.
eCAHNomics – 707!
Tying this thread & the last thread together, I think we should start calling Hillary a R in D clothing. It’s short & it gets the pont accross.
At this point, I am not a huge Obama supporter. Subject to change of course. The political litmus test would be is this candidate a Mother Earth promoter? Is this candidate in favor of pulling out of Iraq now? Is this candidate in favor of no more American unprovoked attacks against any country, certainly including Iran. And is the candidate in favor of a fair settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which inevitably means a U.S. backed establishment of an independendent Palestinian state. Of course there are domestic agenda considerations and a thorough vetting respective of corruption and derivation of campaign contributions.
dakine01 @ 59
I don’t know. I live on the North Shore of LI. Cashmere twin sets and pearls country. Between the botox and the face lifts that put eyebrows half way up the forehead…. well.
That and I am constatnly reminded od Rebecca Ramjin(sp?) Stamos’s wondeful line that the American male has forgotten what a human female breast is actually supposed to look like, b/c all they see in the media are those half grapefruit looking fakes.
i don’t understand why self mutilation is considered “beautiful” in this country. But maybe I am a hypocrit, I shave my legs after all.
Two strongly recommended diaries on DailyKos today:
The coming Justice Department disaster
by Kagro X , Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:39:55 AM PDT
Must Read: WaPo on Constitutional Crisis
by cal in cali , Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 10:54:21 AM PDT
We have got MAJOR work ahead of us!
Bob in HI
what is interesting about the comments is that their implicit acknowledgement of how biased Fox News is — especially the comparisons that make Fox the equivalent of Al Qaeda (i.e. “how can democrats expect to take on al Qaeda is they are afraid of Fox News?”)
A question — the banner ad at the top of the Politicaux story indicated that Move-On is hosting a virtual “town meeting” tomorrow night on Iraq featuring “presidential candidates”. However, the only candidates listed as participants are Democrats. Were Rudy, McCain, Romney, etc. asked?
Carville is defending Imus, saying that he would advise candidates to go on the show, and that he should be forgiven.
Feh. This is not a slip. Racist content is an essential part of the show.
GSD @ 20
His name isn’t “Jim VandeHei”; it’s “Jim VandeHei, husband of former Tom Delay staffer Autumn Hanna”
Similarly, it isn’t “Howard Kurtz”, it’s “Howard Kurtz, husband of Republican stratgist Sherri Annis”, etc.
Wayne Madsen (I know, I know) has a useful summary
of the Beltway Incestuous Complex.
This is good news of a sort, but how great an advance is it that Obama considers Glen Beck’s CNN a more appropriate venue.
Let’s put the freakin’ League of Women Voters back in charge, and any network that wants to send a camera crew can send one.
lhp @ 70
Being relatively new here, I’ve been thinking you’re a man. You aren’t are you?
p.lukasiak @ 73
No. I’m attending the MoveOn flagship event in NYC. Anybody else gonna be there?
BLOG BLOG BLOG
BLOG BLOG BLOG
IRAN
THANKS, MrsK8 & GSD. Now I’ll have images of Cruell DeCarvill whenever I see this person. As for her husband, I’m thinking Cyrano, but that would be an insult to Cyrano. Maybe Rasputin DeCarville (ya can’t seem to kill him). Or Potemkin DeCarville (ya can’t trust his imagery). Any thoughts?
realworld @
10
bloody right about that …..
jayackroyd @ 74
Carville has zero credibility. Pass it on.
looseheadprop @ 71
Ahem! Some of us actually have memories, and I know the difference between a breast and a grapefruit. “Mostly dead is not completely dead.”
jayackroyd @ 77
Jay, I would love to go, if the flagship event is really happening here in NYC. I thought it was all virtual, with no real “flagship” event anywhere. Are tickets available?
dakine01 @
11
fat chance is usually said in an ironic mode. kinda changes the meaning through tone …..
eCAHNomics @ 76
She might be a swimmer or a bicycler. They shave their legs. LHP has told us about Mr. Prop as I recall, and I do know about little props. BTW, I only shave my legs in summer.
looseheadprop @ 71
Not sure shaving is on the same level as purposeful mutilation, whether through the multiple face-lifts or implants. Maybe I show my age, but I much prefer women that look semi-normal. I guess it’s the vestigial remnants of sexism. :})
Imus: I called young college women “ni**er whores” in the most charitable and jocular of lights.
Sorry Saggy Bags, you and your little coterie of racist mooks are being shown for what you are.
Iman, gonna call Harold Ford’s daughter’s “ho’s”? Oh, that’s right. He’s one of the ones you know.
Tool.
-GSD
I want strong, very srong definition between the Democratic candidate and the Republican candidate for 2008. I don’t want an appeaser, or a conciliator or some generic bi-partisan. I want a Democratic candidate full to the brim with principle. A tall order? An impossible order?
Some of Imus’ best friends are darkies.
Ever see this four part series that Fox was forced to take off their programming and their website by Camera, Jinsa and the ADL (anti defamation league)
Really worth taking the time to watch every minute.
http://www.informationclearing…..le7545.htm
I like to watch Fox when Kristol is on with Juan Williams.
TeddySanFran @
13
those boys don’t need no bush condoms. fox done been punked again ……..
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
I don’t know. Is Feingold running?
leaders lead. then there’s hillary and st. john
GSD @ 87
I’m still waiting for his apologies to Jill Carroll for calling her a terrorist for having the audacity to try to stay alive.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
You mean someone from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party?
Didn’t Obama already freeze Faux news out of his campaign? I thought he stopped talking to them after their little piece on him going to a madrasa in Indonesia.
Bob Schacht @ 72
I just read them.
The idea that Monica Goodling was able to overrule the traditional hiring committee structure and put sabateurs into DOJ in traditional non partisan spots–is mre than I am able to face.
It’s like a virus spreading through the body. It certainly explains why so many career people have suddenly up and left at such odd and unlikley times.
Brings the focus back to a very angry Pat Collins in Chicago and the FBI SAC in california who suddenly announced his resignation.
There are so few left to try to hold it together
Drop me an email and I’ll see whether there is still room. There’s more than one taking place in NYC. It’s described as “flagship” in the press release I’ve got. The location is where they’re (I guess I should say “we’re” since I’m making some of the calls, but I still feel like the moveon events lack authenticity) directing media.
jay@ackroyd.org
Also, we’ve finally gotten permission to put up Valezquez and Marcy on tubes. They’ll come out over the next week.
eCAHNomics @ 76
I always picture a person attached to the name. When I find out that I was wrong wrong wrong, it is crushing to have to lose the imaginary person. Oh but such fun creating a new one for the true identity. I think we are just a bunch of spirits on the toobz yacking away.
lolo
tommy yum @ 92
we ought to see to it that he does. he’s the leader of American progressives and has been for the last SIX YEARS!
didn’t mean to shout. just sayin’ …….
tommy yum @ 93
Gore/Feingold, Feingold/Gore. Fantastic and almost surreal.
eCAHNomics @ 77
I learned awhile back that if you’re going to try random gender assignment, go female. You’ll be more accurate.
‘Nevada, Detroit, and Beyond: The Fox News Caper’
eCAHNomics @ 77
No, I am Littleprop’s mommy. Girls, even really girlie girls, play rugby too.
Girls, even really girlie girls, investigate and prosecute public corruption and mafia cases (though far fewer of those than of lady ruggers!)
Sharpton is pointing that nobody forgave Janet Jackson, even though she was contrite and sincere in her contrition.
*xyz @ 103
I’d prefer to send them to infinity without a roadmap back.
Maybe Imus should go look up The Greaseman.
he had a radio show back in the eighties in the D.C. area.
He was complaining about Martin Luther King day and made a fatal career move by stating why not k*ll 4 more black people and have the whole week off.
Bad move, idiot.
Same thing should happen to Imus.
Fatal. Career. Move.
looseheadprop @ 71
I stopped coloring my hair after noticing how ridiculous it looks on all the male “newscasters”. But I’m a hypocrite too because I ain’t giving up the make-up!
Scarecrow at 83
making me laugh out loud at work. I’m supposed to be working on a very grim serious brief, so now I’m busted for playing on the puter!
dakine01 @ 96
That’s it. ;0)
looseheadprop @ 105
I might add… Girls, even really girlie girls also track down WMD and get betrayed by their government.
S.O.S. from MA @ 60
Sounds like they’re picking up on the NYT “play nice, blogosphere” story that came out today. It’s not just presstitution, it’s Johnalism.
The whole thing is kind of weird, really. If you look at the BlogHer guidelines that are cited in the article, it seems to me that they match up pretty well with what the moderators do here.
The real problem is the reporter’s statement “A subtext of both sets of rules is that bloggers are responsible for everything that appears on their own pages, including comments left by visitors,” which seems to me to be entirely incorrect; the actual thrust of the various sets of principles is to set expectations for what is allowed on a site, and to provide a shorthand way of doing that, so everyone doesn’t have to figure it out independently.
I know there have been plenty of obnoxious attempts at imposing “blogger ethics,” but clueless NYT reporters aside, this doesn’t seem to me to be one. Is there something obvious I’m missing?
dakine01 @ 79
Oh boy. I need to ponder this.
Let’s see, what are the elements here? Fake populism (the kind of “have-a-beer&barbecue-with” as opposed to the real social justice kind) — so that rules out Kingfish Huey Long as a fellow Louisiana model.
Stab-in-the-back behavior (just ask Howard Dean), sleeping with the enemy (Cruella who works for Cheney even when not on the payroll), all puffed up with no good reason, triangulator extraordinaire. Did I miss anything?
Many of the traits put me in mind of Uriah Heep, but Carville doesn’t have the exact kind of obsequious servility that Heep excelled at.
I’m stumped! Somebody help out, if you can!
!,481 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen K8 and the Firepup Patriots:
Hey sweet cakes, how are ya doin’…sounds like ya got the wind atcher back and sails full. As for your reservations about Obama, keep them…until we find out more about what and who fuels his politics. I want ta know about his relationship to the University of Chicago (I think his wife has an appointment there) and I want to know about his years as a “community organizer”…it seems that the folks on the South side a Chicago took one look at Mr. Obama and pulled the lever for the real thing, Mr. Bobby Rush. I’m a little reluctant to fall in behind someone who was tryin’ ta earn his political bones in the ‘hood as a white funded community organizer when the Black Panthers and Operation Breadbasket had the folks well covered for years.
And Mr. Obama almost bleed to death from the chapped lips he got from kissin’ Joe Likuderman’s ass and St.John McCain’s ring.
KEEP THE FAITH AND BELIEVE NONE A WHATCHA HEAR AND ONLY HALF A WHATCHA SEE FROM THESE WEASELS!!!
looseheadprop @ 110
If it’s an assault case, you could use that “mostly dead is not completely dead” line and call the computer work “research.”
Fox went out on a limb just after 9/11 and got slapped down by Camera, Jinsa and ADL.
This four part series is a must watch.
http://www.informationclearing…..le7545.htm
Pat_AlexVA @ 103
Anybody know what the ratio is?
Terry Olson @ 107 says: “I stopped coloring my hair after noticing how ridiculous it looks on all the male “newscasters”.”
What’s hair? Actually, though, I do still have the fringe, just all gone up top. I never know what to say nowadays when I get a new driver’s license as “bald with mostly grey fringe” is not a selection. Ah well, the trials of getting older.
kathleen @
91
Remember when (ex)Hume(d) told Juan Williams that he should be “hosed down”?
Nice stuff.
-GSD
Mrs. K8 @ 113
Bat boy?
lhp @ 105
Nicetameetcha. I like your comments a lot.
Deacon Blues @
52
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide,
i give it a nine ……
lhp
Body modification is pretty widely practiced. Most American men are circumised. Most women have at least an earpiercing. Tattoos are everywhere among the young people I know. Scarification is common in African societies.
I too happen to find modern cosmetic surgery kinda bizarre–unless, like an actor, you make your living from your appearance. I saw an interview with Angela Lansbury who said she’d had three neck jobs, and that everybody in Hollywood has work done.
GSD @ 118
Missed that.
Trying to find the clip where Juan Williams completely loses it (in a good way) with Bill Kristol on Fox. Steam was coming out of Juans ears, and I thought Kristol was going to vomit. It was great!
dakine01
So, shaving the legs makes me semi-normal? I have just never been the sort to primp. Most days I leave the house with my hair still wet from the shower and no makeup on.
Unless I am seeing a client or have to go to court I usually wear jeans to the office.
I do the hair and makeup thing for public appearances (you know speeches and panels and the very occasional TV interview- stuff like that), but I would rather take the hour that hair and makeup eats up and spend it reading blog before breakfast, or getting in an extra hour of exercise, you know, doing something productive.
Most of my front page posts were written with time stolen away from primping
Confirmation from the Obama campaign website blog, as of nine minutes ago. It links to an ABC News story for more details.
I think this is what’s called pulling double duty:
Reading the article, it’s small wonder we don’t see much of Senator Tester on t.v…. The nice local profile (courtesy of John Q. Public at DU) is here:
http://www.billingsgazette.net…..tester.txt
tommy yum –
Thanks for making me laugh out loud! I needed that.
The family resemblance is really striking, isn’t it?
Kinda like the genius who matched a photo of Pickles with her strange lipsticked mouth and pale powdered skin to The Joker — they looked like twins!
Mrs K8 @ 112 says: “Many of the traits put me in mind of Uriah Heep, but Carville doesn’t have the exact kind of obsequious servility that Heep excelled at.”
I don’t know. I’m not sure if we’ve ever seen him in action around Bill or Hillary since “The War Room” so, he may have morphed into Uriah Creep level of obsequious servility.
Oh damn, what’s the name of the character in Lord of the Rings who was poisoning the mind of the Rohan leader I think it was? THAT’s the type I thiunk when I see DeCarville.
I shave my face. Am I abnormal? Where we goin with this shaving thing?
dakine01 @ 129
Grima Wormtongue.
Redshift @ 112
The whole thing is kind of weird, really. If you look at the BlogHer guidelines that are cited in the article, it seems to me that they match up pretty well with what the moderators do here.
The real problem is the reporter’s statement “A subtext of both sets of rules is that bloggers are responsible for everything that appears on their own pages, including comments left by visitors,” which seems to me to be entirely incorrect; the actual thrust of the various sets of principles is to set expectations for what is allowed on a site, and to provide a shorthand way of doing that, so everyone doesn’t have to figure it out independently.
I know there have been plenty of obnoxious attempts at imposing “blogger ethics,” but clueless NYT reporters aside, this doesn’t seem to me to be one. Is there something obvious I’m missing?
I found that article incredibly ignorant. You can’t even think about setting up any kind of internet discussion area without working out moderation and content policies. When we set up http://www.themote.com in the late 90s we spent weeks working out the rules of the road.
You’ve really got to admire the achievements of the FDL team at creating an open, friendly and content filled comment section. I know from experience (and some hateful invective from AceofSpades) how difficult it is.
looseheadprop @
71
but that will always grow back ……
looseheadprop @
126
In reality, i find shaving one of the worst tortures ever invented by humans for humans. It took me years to find decent shaving razors and shaving cream. And I remember seeing both my mother and sister slice their legs while shaving. So it does fit the definition of torture.
Peterr @ 132
Cruella and Grima Wormtongue DeCarville works for me.
jayackroyd @ 122
Diane Sawyer was the year behind me at Wellesley. As there are no pics on the comment section, you may now have a mental picture of me. Not!
Imagine how much body work the Gubernator must have had, going from the drug-induced body building physique to where he is today. Must have had skin removed by the yard. And his face looks like it’s been scrubbed to within an inch of its life.
looseheadprop @ 110
I’m still laughing about maunga’s calling Lieberman’s kiss with George Bush a french kiss.
Ah, Diane Sawyer, a fine Kentucky girl leavened through the prism of the trickster.
Norske –
Hey there, ol’ pal! So good to see you, still at the barricades, natch!!!
Thanks for those little tidbits of Obama info — did NOT know that he hadn’t resonated in the ‘hood’ quite exactly as advertised.
There’s been something about Obama that gets my phoniness antennae all atwitter and I haven’t been able to pin it down. I suspect him of having DLC corporatist tendencies, but then I hear he’s not going to take corporate money, so then I can’t tell whether I’m overly suspicious or not.
But with you and other astute Firepups around to give us more bits of evidence as they become available, I feel there’ll be time and good opportunity to get a better handle on it all.
A big hug goes out to you, sweetie!
I’m starting to like to sound of a Edwards/Obama ticket. Obama can cut his political teeth in the V.P. seat and look forward to advancement in the future. They can put Gore to good use in environmental oversight. I can dream can’t I?
jayackroyd @ 133
Well, no, you shouldn’t, but do most beginning bloggers get any education in this concept when they start out? There may be a little purely technical guidance (and even there the out-of-the-box options are often of fairly limited flexibility), but nothing to explain the concepts of setting policies and expectations. Ideally, documents that make those concepts easier to grasp would be a good thing.
Absolutely! The times recently when I’ve forgetten to avert my eyes from the comments at the Politico and elsewhere make me appreciate our moderators all the more!
Peterr @ 116
No, it’s a federal civil rights case. I represent someone who had the great misfortune of moving into a very waspy north shore village while being Jewish. They have been hounding this poor guy ever since they found out that he wasn’t “part of the crowd”.
Much pearl clutching and many ugly incidents, shouting religious epithets in the streets, making anti semtic cracks in village hall. Really bizzare attemtts to misinterpret existing statutes to engage in slective enforcement, only it’s not enforcement because he didn’t break any laws.
Just mean nasty crazy stuff. The mayor even tried to get him kicked out of the yatch club. Why should the mayor, who doesn’t sail, give a damn? Just mean.
Of course this was the birthplace of the John Birch Society, back when the Birchers were claiming that all the world’s commerce was controlled by a secret cabal of jewish bankers.
How the world had changed, now Wolfowitz belongs to the JBH, but this little town still cannot tolerate having a Jew within it’s sacred confines.
This village is stuck in some weird time warp, it’s like an anti-semtic Brigadoon. So sad. So ugly.
Terry Olson @ 138
Or perhaps a Freedom Kiss? *g*
Listening to Imus this morning puke all over himself with apologies for sharp remarks most of his audience tunes in to hear, I was reminded of all the Duke Lacrosse players turned into villains overnight by another N-H-Wo and the anti-European male establishment.
Duke University, affecting the usual intellectual arrogance and intolerance of present day academia, has not puked a fucken word in defense of their three students still facing criminal charges.
Mrs. K8 @ 138
I think some of that is explained by the fact that he’s green. Running for office is a series of tests & running for prez the tests are really hard. Obama’s failed 2 or 3 so far. Then he has to reverse himself. Amore seasoned candidate would have thought about what happens AFTER words come out of your mouth & get into the hands of others.
Hillary’s approach to avoid failing the tests is to avoid saying anything controversial.
Pat_AlexVA @ 130
oh, it’s goin’ on elsewhere too …….
Scarecrow @ 83
… and some others of us actually have mammaries.
Where were you, Punaise, to save me from having to say that?? :)
dakine01 @ 129
Aha, you mean Grima, aka Wormtongue. Just the name Wormtongue sounds like a good fit!
Although the physical resemblance to Gollum is striking, IMO.
Hillary’s approach to avoid failing the tests is to avoid saying anything controversial.
And that’s exactly the problem. There isn’t a single issue that requires presidential leadership that doesn’t also require one to take a controversial position.
PLovering @ 143
No, their wingnut campus paper has. They’ve spared no ink demonizing the profs who called for more attention to on-campus racism.
Oh, and by the way, the Duke Lacrosse players can make villains of themselves, thanks.
Just so you know, I think Nifong should be disbarred.
looseheadprop @ 142
So in need of addressing. Go get ‘em, LHP.
Pat_AlexVA @ 130
Are you female? :-)
Imagine the possible choice in 2008. Rudy ‘the G’. against Hillary ‘the right-triangle’. Nooo thanks!
lhp
What’s the town? Wiki sez John Birch Society founded in Indianapolis. Another google resulted named California.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 152
Prediction: The winner will be someone whose first name ends in a Y.
S.O.S. from MA @ 147
i think everybody has them. some of us just haven’t found them to be functional ……
While we’ve been chatting down here in the basement, Jane’s Deconstructing Rudy
Pat_AlexVA @
103
Who would have guessed that I am a petite, 19 year old woman with pierced eyelids and a cloven tongue?
Balrog @ 158
and all this time i thought it was your feet …….
eCAHNomics @ 155
The to major documents of the JBS were written right here on Lawn Guyland. It’s kinda like heir bibles or sumthin
Balrog @ 159
Scuse me?
1,481 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Patriots:
It’s Gore/Edwards I tell ya…competence, integrity, intelligence, experience and the Democrats won’t hafta take anyone outta their slim Senate numbers. Al Gore could hit the ground runnin’ and we’d be shakin’ the fascists outta the dustbin a history with the Whigs (along with the Whitehouse Intelligence Group).
GORE/EDWARDS…and kick Nazi ass all the way ta the Hague.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE GOD DAMNED AMMUNITION!!!
fahrender @ 156
sorry, I wasn’t keeping abreast of this thread’s progress.
“is it live, or is it MammoRex?”
Mrs. K8 @ 140
I don’t think this is entirely accurate. The latest “Nation” even has an article about his community-organizing background, and they could find very few people with anything but postitive things to say about O.
He just lost to Bobby Rush the first time he ran for state sen, which wasn’t surprising.
If you really want to know where he’s coming from, read his books. Especially the first one. For those who don’t “get” his charisma, well, I probably wouldn’t get it either if I hadn’t read his memoir before he became a star. It’s very impressive.
With any luck, the only *cough* Dem *cough* politician to go on Fox will be Joe Lieberman.
One day, hopefully soon, reasonable politicians will figure out that they only get invited on Fox for the purpose of Fox making them looking like fools.
They are propagandists, through and through, and participating in anything Fox does is to further that propaganda. You’d think savvy politicians would figure that out, but perhaps the needs of ego have been greater than good sense.
Why it took Obama–or others, for that matter–this long to come to a decision which doesn’t enable Fox is a mystery.
Clinton is another matter–since Murdoch has been throwing fundraisers for her, she must feel obligated. The old saw about “politics makes for strange bedfellows” is all too true, but I damned sure don’t want to watch that video….
Mrs. K8 @
149
Yesssss
punaise @ 164
“is it live, or is it MammoRex?”
Aah. All’s right with the world. TYVM Sensei! :)
dakine01 @ 119
Oh no! All this time I’ve been picturing you as this ass-kickin’ bitch! Ok, I guess bein’ a guy doesn’t mean you aren’t.
Totally OT of shaving…
Jesus Camp and the directors will be at the local theater Tuesday night. The directors will be taking questions.
If anyone has any questions for the directors about their film, and not their shaving habits, please e-mail them to me. I’ll see what I can do about getting them answered tomorrow night.
send them 2 my username at mac dot com.
Should be an interesting evening. This town of Pitman is less then 3 square miles, and has 13 churches. It was founded as a Methodist summer camp, and is named after a famous Methodist preacher.
A local university the next town over is sponsoring the film.
If anyone is the Philly/SJ area is interested in attending, here’s the link to the theater.
http://www.thebroadwaytheatre.org/
Obama is a media creation.
Something for between wars.
“Barack Obama has chosen not to attend September’s presidential debate co-sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News, an aide said, effectively dooming the event.”
Good for Obama….
Hugh and obvious fox news trap…
Edwards deserves some credit for being first to withdraw from the debate. BUT, I just don’t get the total adulation of the Edwards supporters. Edwards is no longer an elected official. By his own words we know he has nothing to lose by saying whatever he believes to be true now. OK. Why did it take him so long to withdraw from the CBC debate?
Senator Obama, on the other hand, is a MEMBER of the Congressional Black Caucus. He has been pretty much under constant criticism from Black politicians for failing to be “black enough” and he definitely has (and had) some real political consequences to face in boycotting a CBC sponsored event. To my mind, his decision to boycott has a lot more weight than Edwards.
You Edwards people slay me. Scream about Don Imus all you want, it won’t perfume the stench of racism that permeates your posts. You are so threatened by Obama’s candidacy (and the fear the the party might choose an unelectable black man thus robbing you of your slam dunk election in 2008) that you would rather have Edwards?
All I can say is that the Edwards of today is a far cry from the Senator from South Carolina that he used to be, a co-sponsor of the Iraq War resolution, a former member of the DLC. You would choose him, a man who has no grass roots political experience, over Obama who made his bones on the streets of South Side Chicago? You would pick a trial lawyer who got rich suing doctors over a professor of Constitutional Law?
Give me a break. It isn’t Obama who’s a coward. It is you Edwards supporters who don’t have the courage to support the real Progressive candidate because he happens to be black. He has the most community experience of any candidate. He has the most experience as an elected official among the top three candidates. None of this seems to matter.
You have invented a progressive Edwards out of whole cloth and now you intend to force him down the throats of the rest of us. IT’S NOT WORKING. While you natter on about your immunity to charisma, Obama is doing what he knows best. He is building a grass roots army of support. His first quarter report is just the beginning. So, go ahead and support the usual white guy from the South. Pretend that you’re making a statement for the Progressive movement in the first year when this country could actually elect a woman or a man who isn’t the usual white guy from the South. You are only fooling yourselves.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I prefer Edwards over Clinton like most others on this site. He is clearly the pick of the litter among the usual white guys who are running. If he wins the nomination, I can vote for him with a clear conscience. But, half the crap that is spewed about Obama on this and other so-called Progressive sites is just sickening. To be opposed to someone because he is charismatic and inspires people is just the most ridiculous bullshit ever.
I think that Edwards led the charge against Fox “News.” Edwards has demonstrated that he’s ready to lead as evidenced by his health plan, for example. I would love to see an Edward/Obama ticket or an Obama/Edwards ticket. That would be a winner.
Obama has the intelligence and charisma of Clinton and Edwards has the charisma and intelligence of JFK. They’d make a great team no matter who was first on the ticket.