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		<title>By: realworld</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/late-nite-fdl-we-are-the-earth-intruders/#comment-614185</link>
		<dc:creator>realworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post Trex&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is a little something that I may have missed in an earlier post here but I think it is worth bringing up in this context. Apparently it is now going to be OK to frivolously blow the whistle on anyone as long as you say they might be a terrorist. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070327-065522-5346r.htm&quot;&gt;House votes to protect John Does&lt;/a&gt; I found this point particularly interesting: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;he men prayed loudly before boarding, did not take their assigned seats and formed patterns officials said mirrored the September 11 hijackers, asked for seat-belt extenders not needed, &lt;b&gt;and criticized President Bush and the war in Iraq.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  (Emphasis added). We’re not out of the woods yet are we Dorothy?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Trex</p>
<p>Here is a little something that I may have missed in an earlier post here but I think it is worth bringing up in this context. Apparently it is now going to be OK to frivolously blow the whistle on anyone as long as you say they might be a terrorist. <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070327-065522-5346r.htm">House votes to protect John Does</a> I found this point particularly interesting: </p>
<blockquote><p>he men prayed loudly before boarding, did not take their assigned seats and formed patterns officials said mirrored the September 11 hijackers, asked for seat-belt extenders not needed, <b>and criticized President Bush and the war in Iraq.</b></p>
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<p>  (Emphasis added). We’re not out of the woods yet are we Dorothy?</p>
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		<title>By: STTP in Ohio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/late-nite-fdl-we-are-the-earth-intruders/#comment-614175</link>
		<dc:creator>STTP in Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now onto Cohen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This article proves something I have long believed; these people need to get out of the beltway more often.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When lying in testimony before a grand jury is seen as no big deal your personal moral compass is waaaay off.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now onto Cohen.</p>
<p>This article proves something I have long believed; these people need to get out of the beltway more often.</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
<p>When lying in testimony before a grand jury is seen as no big deal your personal moral compass is waaaay off.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-614167&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cbl @ 384&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;have had the show on in background for an hour now and have yet to hear the voice of ‘Bernie’, his so called producer - anyone ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  They have got to be looking at his role. In my opinion, while Imus is responsible, McGuirk is the one who needs to be fired or silenced. Maybe this is what Imus is talking about when he says he’s going to serve the suspension and make his show a better program.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-614167"><em>cbl @ 384</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>have had the show on in background for an hour now and have yet to hear the voice of ‘Bernie’, his so called producer &#8211; anyone ?</p>
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<p>  They have got to be looking at his role. In my opinion, while Imus is responsible, McGuirk is the one who needs to be fired or silenced. Maybe this is what Imus is talking about when he says he’s going to serve the suspension and make his show a better program.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/late-nite-fdl-we-are-the-earth-intruders/#comment-614170</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/10/off-the-chuckwagon/&quot;&gt;new thread&lt;/a&gt; up and ready.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy has a <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/10/off-the-chuckwagon/">new thread</a> up and ready.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;have had the show on in background for an hour now and have yet to hear the voice of ‘Bernie’, his so called producer - anyone ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have had the show on in background for an hour now and have yet to hear the voice of ‘Bernie’, his so called producer &#8211; anyone ?</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-614160&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;STTP in Ohio @ 380&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:JJ@375&quot;&gt;JJ@375&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where do I begin?&lt;br /&gt;
This isn’t a free speech issue;&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to call Gwen Ifill a “cleaning woman”&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to say one of his producers was “in charge of n-word jokes”&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to insult the Rutgers women’s basketball team.&lt;br /&gt;
He is now free to face the collective consequences of those acts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there’s the little matter of Imus using CBS and MSNBC as the means.  He was suspended not for free speech but for embarrassing his corporate employers, and at a time when the MSM is doing stories about the uncivil blogs, suggesting they need to clean up their acts to be taken seriously — and then Imus speaks in the same way he always does and gets caught in their hypocrisy.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;JJ is right to call attention to all the other obscenities, but it doesn’t follow that Imus should be excused or that CBS and MSNBC are not responsible for what their stars say.  Let them stew in it a while, and make it harder for Disney/ABC to justify Melanie Morgan and friends, etc, etc.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clarence Page, on CNN, chiming in on Imus, admitting he has “enabled” Imus by going on his program.  Lots of folks looking in the mirror this a.m.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-614160"><em>STTP in Ohio @ 380</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="mailto:JJ@375">JJ@375</a></p>
<p>Where do I begin?<br />
This isn’t a free speech issue;<br />
He was free to call Gwen Ifill a “cleaning woman”<br />
He was free to say one of his producers was “in charge of n-word jokes”<br />
He was free to insult the Rutgers women’s basketball team.<br />
He is now free to face the collective consequences of those acts.</p>
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<p>And there’s the little matter of Imus using CBS and MSNBC as the means.  He was suspended not for free speech but for embarrassing his corporate employers, and at a time when the MSM is doing stories about the uncivil blogs, suggesting they need to clean up their acts to be taken seriously — and then Imus speaks in the same way he always does and gets caught in their hypocrisy.  </p>
<p>JJ is right to call attention to all the other obscenities, but it doesn’t follow that Imus should be excused or that CBS and MSNBC are not responsible for what their stars say.  Let them stew in it a while, and make it harder for Disney/ABC to justify Melanie Morgan and friends, etc, etc.  </p>
<p>Clarence Page, on CNN, chiming in on Imus, admitting he has “enabled” Imus by going on his program.  Lots of folks looking in the mirror this a.m.</p>
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		<title>By: laurie9</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/late-nite-fdl-we-are-the-earth-intruders/#comment-614165</link>
		<dc:creator>laurie9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; I’ll bet you I’ve slept in a house with more black children who were not related to me &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What about the black children who &lt;em&gt;were &lt;/em&gt;related to him?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I’ll bet you I’ve slept in a house with more black children who were not related to me </p>
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<p>What about the black children who <em>were </em>related to him?</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/late-nite-fdl-we-are-the-earth-intruders/#comment-614162</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-614160&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;STTP in Ohio @ 380&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:JJ@375&quot;&gt;JJ@375&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where do I begin?&lt;br /&gt;
This isn’t a free speech issue;&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to call Gwen Ifill a “cleaning woman”&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to say one of his producers was “in charge of n-word jokes”&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to insult the Rutgers women’s basketball team.&lt;br /&gt;
He is now free to face the collective consequences of those acts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that’s precisely a free speech issue.  And he should face accountability.  Consequences.  But also, the consequences must be proportional.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And like Joel Hollander and Hamilton Jordan, I take the context of the whole man, and look around and wonder where were the voices will be  speaking out about the racist response to Katrina, or wounded soldiers, or sick kids if we are dumbed down to just Matt Lauer and Katie Couric and Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson and the rest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And sidebar to David Gregory…Lester Holt, last time I looked, appears to be African-American.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="mailto:JJ@375">JJ@375</a></p>
<p>Where do I begin?<br />
This isn’t a free speech issue;<br />
He was free to call Gwen Ifill a “cleaning woman”<br />
He was free to say one of his producers was “in charge of n-word jokes”<br />
He was free to insult the Rutgers women’s basketball team.<br />
He is now free to face the collective consequences of those acts.</p>
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<p>But that’s precisely a free speech issue.  And he should face accountability.  Consequences.  But also, the consequences must be proportional.  </p>
<p>And like Joel Hollander and Hamilton Jordan, I take the context of the whole man, and look around and wonder where were the voices will be  speaking out about the racist response to Katrina, or wounded soldiers, or sick kids if we are dumbed down to just Matt Lauer and Katie Couric and Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson and the rest.</p>
<p>And sidebar to David Gregory…Lester Holt, last time I looked, appears to be African-American.</p>
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		<title>By: STTP in Ohio</title>
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		<dc:creator>STTP in Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:JJ@375&quot;&gt;JJ@375&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where do I begin?&lt;br /&gt;
This isn’t a free speech issue;&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to call Gwen Ifill a “cleaning woman”&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to say one of his producers was “in charge of n-word jokes”&lt;br /&gt;
He was free to insult the Rutgers women’s basketball team.&lt;br /&gt;
He is now free to face the collective consequences of those acts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:JJ@375">JJ@375</a></p>
<p>Where do I begin?<br />
This isn’t a free speech issue;<br />
He was free to call Gwen Ifill a “cleaning woman”<br />
He was free to say one of his producers was “in charge of n-word jokes”<br />
He was free to insult the Rutgers women’s basketball team.<br />
He is now free to face the collective consequences of those acts.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Roget</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/late-nite-fdl-we-are-the-earth-intruders/#comment-614159</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Roget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good morning, all. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the Iraq protests of Monday looked like to the rest of the world not filtered by our MSM-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/2277&quot;&gt;http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/2277&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning, all. </p>
<p>What the Iraq protests of Monday looked like to the rest of the world not filtered by our MSM-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/2277">http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/2277</a></p>
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