Comments on: Getting Burned While Cooking The Books? http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:11:37 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Lexie http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-614161 Lexie Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:14:34 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-614161 <p>Rick G., your comment is very comforting to me.</p> Rick G., your comment is very comforting to me.

]]> By: sybelia http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-614137 sybelia Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:58:10 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-614137 <p>When is Waxman going to start issuing the subpeonas? Why haven’t the hard drives already been confiscated or at least the subpeona sent out?</p> When is Waxman going to start issuing the subpeonas? Why haven’t the hard drives already been confiscated or at least the subpeona sent out?

]]> By: deth http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-614067 deth Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:16:08 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-614067 <p>BlackBerry’s might transmit via radio, and certainly would with very little or no encryption. It is very possible foreign bodies are well aware of Rove’s most intimate thoughts…. Odd the American people, who pay him to be a politically divisive force in American politics, would be in the dark on matters such as politicizing the DoJ while some spy agency somewhere is likely laugh their asses off.</p> <p>No wait, that’s not “odd.”</p> BlackBerry’s might transmit via radio, and certainly would with very little or no encryption. It is very possible foreign bodies are well aware of Rove’s most intimate thoughts…. Odd the American people, who pay him to be a politically divisive force in American politics, would be in the dark on matters such as politicizing the DoJ while some spy agency somewhere is likely laugh their asses off.

No wait, that’s not “odd.”

]]> By: RickG http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-613586 RickG Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:51:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-613586 <p>If our RNC friends were using Blackberrys, I and I believe Susan Ralston among others did, then the mail is likely server based on Microsoft Exchange. Outside of some Nextel Blackberries, until very recently, the only way a blackberry phone got IP access was via the BES (Blackberry Exchange Server).</p> <p>So the original mails would reside in an Exchange store. There might be local versions maintained on a PC in a PST file (an Outlook mail DB format). There would likely be archives of the server databases for restoration (which could go back a significant length of time) and then finally, there could be a personal email backup facility, which allows individual users to restore mail without the need to do a full mail system restore.</p> <p>People hate to delete or lose all mail. Some people never delete a single mail, delighting in the ability to pull info out of the archives. There are likely tons of emails available, and there won’t be exotic forensics needed. </p> <p>Basic system administration tasks don’t lend themselves very well to supporting paranoid data destruction. No matter how many times they say they want it all gone, there is going to be something that needs to be recovered. Admins plan for that final contingency.</p> If our RNC friends were using Blackberrys, I and I believe Susan Ralston among others did, then the mail is likely server based on Microsoft Exchange. Outside of some Nextel Blackberries, until very recently, the only way a blackberry phone got IP access was via the BES (Blackberry Exchange Server).

So the original mails would reside in an Exchange store. There might be local versions maintained on a PC in a PST file (an Outlook mail DB format). There would likely be archives of the server databases for restoration (which could go back a significant length of time) and then finally, there could be a personal email backup facility, which allows individual users to restore mail without the need to do a full mail system restore.

People hate to delete or lose all mail. Some people never delete a single mail, delighting in the ability to pull info out of the archives. There are likely tons of emails available, and there won’t be exotic forensics needed.

Basic system administration tasks don’t lend themselves very well to supporting paranoid data destruction. No matter how many times they say they want it all gone, there is going to be something that needs to be recovered. Admins plan for that final contingency.

]]> By: lexie http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-613315 lexie Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:45:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-613315 <p>Christy, the Bush/Cheney Junta have very close friends who own a military grade hard-drive scrubbing software (Cyberscrub). This company is in Atlanta and I would bet my eye teeth this software has been involved in a lot of election shenanigans. They will scrub the RNC machines. They will take the risk of scrubbing the hard drives, knowing the Democrats can do nothing. Just wait.</p> <p>YOu are completely right–these servers need to be seized by scrupulously honest and competent computer forensic people.</p> Christy, the Bush/Cheney Junta have very close friends who own a military grade hard-drive scrubbing software (Cyberscrub). This company is in Atlanta and I would bet my eye teeth this software has been involved in a lot of election shenanigans. They will scrub the RNC machines. They will take the risk of scrubbing the hard drives, knowing the Democrats can do nothing. Just wait.

YOu are completely right–these servers need to be seized by scrupulously honest and competent computer forensic people.

]]> By: Bugboy http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-613193 Bugboy Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:38:04 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-613193 <p>The minute I heard there was RNC email involved, I was saying they needed to do a lockdown on those servers. But they have to FIND the servers first. And not just the servers, but the physical drives the email was stored on. </p> <p>That’s going to be hard when the kitty knocked the koolaid over onto the box last week and set the whole place on fire. Darn! Hate it when that happens.</p> <p>Also, even if they luck out and find the drive, making a copy of the drive doesn’t help. I think you have to have the original hardware if you are going to extract deleted or formatted data off of it.</p> The minute I heard there was RNC email involved, I was saying they needed to do a lockdown on those servers. But they have to FIND the servers first. And not just the servers, but the physical drives the email was stored on.

That’s going to be hard when the kitty knocked the koolaid over onto the box last week and set the whole place on fire. Darn! Hate it when that happens.

Also, even if they luck out and find the drive, making a copy of the drive doesn’t help. I think you have to have the original hardware if you are going to extract deleted or formatted data off of it.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612819 looseheadprop Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:49:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612819 <p><a href="#comment-612113"><em>eCAHNomics @ 32 </em></a></p> <blockquote><blockquote>Get your investigators to make a duplicate copy of the RNC servers on which these e-mails have been stored. Pronto. Have it done forensically, by the white collar crime folks at the <b>FBI</b>.</blockquote> <p>Ahem. Would that be W’s FBI? What makes you think that most of the competent staff at the FBI (and there were huge questions about FBI competence before W got his mitts on it) hasn’t fled like in all other branches of federal goverment that we’ve examined?</p></blockquote> <p>Uh guys, the FBI is famous for lousy computer skills, they cannot even get their new case tracking system to work.</p> <p>Nope, you want one of the international computer Forensics training frims like SANS to do this.</p> <p>The train the guys who train the guys who run your IT departments</p> eCAHNomics @ 32

Get your investigators to make a duplicate copy of the RNC servers on which these e-mails have been stored. Pronto. Have it done forensically, by the white collar crime folks at the FBI.

Ahem. Would that be W’s FBI? What makes you think that most of the competent staff at the FBI (and there were huge questions about FBI competence before W got his mitts on it) hasn’t fled like in all other branches of federal goverment that we’ve examined?

Uh guys, the FBI is famous for lousy computer skills, they cannot even get their new case tracking system to work.

Nope, you want one of the international computer Forensics training frims like SANS to do this.

The train the guys who train the guys who run your IT departments

]]> By: Jukesgrrl http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612617 Jukesgrrl Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:14 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612617 <p>If I were still living in DC, I’d be down on First Street every night dumpster-diving.</p> If I were still living in DC, I’d be down on First Street every night dumpster-diving.

]]> By: harriett http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612516 harriett Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:32:39 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612516 <p>Again, what about the NSA??? Wouldn’t they have copies of the emails? Also, can’t a hacker retrieve the deleted ons? Just curious.</p> Again, what about the NSA??? Wouldn’t they have copies of the emails? Also, can’t a hacker retrieve the deleted ons? Just curious.

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612426 earlofhuntingdon Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:36:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/getting-burned-while-cooking-the-books/#comment-612426 <p>Dr. James Knodel (the mystery Ph.D. unbeknownst to the Internet and this post’s librarians trying to research his past), is director of security in the EO of the President. He’s on it. He’ll get Mr. Waxman his answers about all those Non-Official Cover communications at the White House, oh, just after he finishes reviewing and downgrading Karl’s security clearance.</p> Dr. James Knodel (the mystery Ph.D. unbeknownst to the Internet and this post’s librarians trying to research his past), is director of security in the EO of the President. He’s on it. He’ll get Mr. Waxman his answers about all those Non-Official Cover communications at the White House, oh, just after he finishes reviewing and downgrading Karl’s security clearance.

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