Comments on: Deconstructing Rudy http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:32:58 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: nrglaw http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614656 nrglaw Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:27:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614656 <p><a href="#comment-614284"><em>alank @<br /> 248 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>So, the maximum mayor keeps his wingnut base despite making public his contrarian views on roe v. wade. Is that really enough to make him a contender?</p> <p>I’ve never seen any television footage of 9/11, including anything having to do with Rudy, so I can’t relate to the allusions in your blog entry to that period. I guess whatever transformation lhd observed in the public persona could be attributed to that, but more likely it has to do with his presidential ambitions.</p> <p>All in all, he’s an extremely unlikely candidate for president for most people, but the logical successor to GWB if indeed into the abyss is where the country should be headed.</p></blockquote> <p>The only people that he will genuinely appeal to is the non-religious right segment of those thirty percenters. Independents for Rudy? i doubt it, not in significant numbers.</p> alank @
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So, the maximum mayor keeps his wingnut base despite making public his contrarian views on roe v. wade. Is that really enough to make him a contender?

I’ve never seen any television footage of 9/11, including anything having to do with Rudy, so I can’t relate to the allusions in your blog entry to that period. I guess whatever transformation lhd observed in the public persona could be attributed to that, but more likely it has to do with his presidential ambitions.

All in all, he’s an extremely unlikely candidate for president for most people, but the logical successor to GWB if indeed into the abyss is where the country should be headed.

The only people that he will genuinely appeal to is the non-religious right segment of those thirty percenters. Independents for Rudy? i doubt it, not in significant numbers.

]]> By: nrglaw http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614644 nrglaw Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:24:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614644 <p>I have to go with Josh Marshall on this. A pro-choice Republican candidate? Where are the supporters of that? In the GOP, symbolism is a big part of the game–with a pro-choice candidate, a large part of the famous base will be supporting someone like Same Brownback–this year the Christian right is far less concerned with winning for the GOP, and much more concerned about showing themselves, if no one else, that they really are the incarnation of their (usually nutty) values.</p> I have to go with Josh Marshall on this. A pro-choice Republican candidate? Where are the supporters of that? In the GOP, symbolism is a big part of the game–with a pro-choice candidate, a large part of the famous base will be supporting someone like Same Brownback–this year the Christian right is far less concerned with winning for the GOP, and much more concerned about showing themselves, if no one else, that they really are the incarnation of their (usually nutty) values.

]]> By: alank http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614284 alank Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:38:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614284 <p>So, the maximum mayor keeps his wingnut base despite making public his contrarian views on roe v. wade. Is that really enough to make him a contender?</p> <p>I’ve never seen any television footage of 9/11, including anything having to do with Rudy, so I can’t relate to the allusions in your blog entry to that period. I guess whatever transformation lhd observed in the public persona could be attributed to that, but more likely it has to do with his presidential ambitions.</p> <p>All in all, he’s an extremely unlikely candidate for president for most people, but the logical successor to GWB if indeed into the abyss is where the country should be headed.</p> So, the maximum mayor keeps his wingnut base despite making public his contrarian views on roe v. wade. Is that really enough to make him a contender?

I’ve never seen any television footage of 9/11, including anything having to do with Rudy, so I can’t relate to the allusions in your blog entry to that period. I guess whatever transformation lhd observed in the public persona could be attributed to that, but more likely it has to do with his presidential ambitions.

All in all, he’s an extremely unlikely candidate for president for most people, but the logical successor to GWB if indeed into the abyss is where the country should be headed.

]]> By: cal http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614056 cal Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:10:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614056 <p>He was mayor of New York, so, from what circle would he draw his aides, advisors, etc.?</p> <p>He was dumb enough to recommend Kerik (he had knowledge of Kerik’s background) for Sec. of DHS can you imagine what kind of an inner circle this guy would dredge up.</p> He was mayor of New York, so, from what circle would he draw his aides, advisors, etc.?

He was dumb enough to recommend Kerik (he had knowledge of Kerik’s background) for Sec. of DHS can you imagine what kind of an inner circle this guy would dredge up.

]]> By: cal http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614048 cal Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:05:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-614048 <p>And Rudy can’t distinguish the motives of Sunnis and Shiites. They’re all the same to him.</p> And Rudy can’t distinguish the motives of Sunnis and Shiites. They’re all the same to him.

]]> By: DeanOR http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613950 DeanOR Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:00:15 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613950 <p>I hadn’t thought about it this way before, but I suspect Jane is right. It has never made sense that they don’t give a hoot about full-grown people but care deeply about a fetus. What they care about is authority and money. And Rudy appears to be leaving plenty of room for the wing-nuts on abortion, such as the expectation of appointing conservative judges who will change the law. There is an opening now for a bit of a “maverick” too, with McCain flaming out, just as long as he is also an authoritarian. And there’s no competition. So playing both side of abortion could be a vote-getter, especially when he says he hates it (he’s just a law and order man and just has to follow the law as it is, you see).</p> I hadn’t thought about it this way before, but I suspect Jane is right. It has never made sense that they don’t give a hoot about full-grown people but care deeply about a fetus. What they care about is authority and money. And Rudy appears to be leaving plenty of room for the wing-nuts on abortion, such as the expectation of appointing conservative judges who will change the law. There is an opening now for a bit of a “maverick” too, with McCain flaming out, just as long as he is also an authoritarian. And there’s no competition. So playing both side of abortion could be a vote-getter, especially when he says he hates it (he’s just a law and order man and just has to follow the law as it is, you see).

]]> By: rjmac http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613929 rjmac Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:43:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613929 <p>Really interesting analysis of Rudy… not sure I agree with it all, but I agree with a central premise that people like him because they think he’s going to stick it people they perceive as enemies.</p> <p>My own theory is that Rudy is using a real-life variation of the <a href="http://www.snakingthedrain.com/2007/04/rudys_costanza_strategy.html">George Costanza “Do the Opposite” strategy</a>. The comment in South Caroline about how he won’t work to change abortion law was deliberate and who knows, maybe it really will work. Your analysis that a lot of voters won’t honestly care does make a lot of sense.</p> Really interesting analysis of Rudy… not sure I agree with it all, but I agree with a central premise that people like him because they think he’s going to stick it people they perceive as enemies.

My own theory is that Rudy is using a real-life variation of the George Costanza “Do the Opposite” strategy. The comment in South Caroline about how he won’t work to change abortion law was deliberate and who knows, maybe it really will work. Your analysis that a lot of voters won’t honestly care does make a lot of sense.

]]> By: kamboka http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613894 kamboka Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:22:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613894 <p>fahrender @83</p> <p>It is indeed a small little TN world. I was happy to be gone after the year. Sure there are some good folks there, but its just a little too insulated for me.</p> fahrender @83

It is indeed a small little TN world. I was happy to be gone after the year. Sure there are some good folks there, but its just a little too insulated for me.

]]> By: JT http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613698 JT Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:49:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613698 <p>Great stuff and some great comments. I don’t know what happened to Rudy, either. He seems like he was once a basically good and intelligent person, but power has corrupted him utterly.</p> <p>I do believe that in the lizard brain calculus, being an authoritarian, vindictive bastard wins out over the abortion litmus test.</p> <p>What I really want to know is, which Catholic bishop is willing to call Rudy out on abortion? Or does the Catholic church only get involved when it’s a Democrat?</p> Great stuff and some great comments. I don’t know what happened to Rudy, either. He seems like he was once a basically good and intelligent person, but power has corrupted him utterly.

I do believe that in the lizard brain calculus, being an authoritarian, vindictive bastard wins out over the abortion litmus test.

What I really want to know is, which Catholic bishop is willing to call Rudy out on abortion? Or does the Catholic church only get involved when it’s a Democrat?

]]> By: David Carpenter http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613671 David Carpenter Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:36:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/09/deconstructing-rudy/#comment-613671 <p>That there was some good analyzin’.</p> That there was some good analyzin’.

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