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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Untold Stories of the Iraq occupation&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Maldoror</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/08/untold-stories-of-the-iraq-occupation/#comment-612066</link>
		<dc:creator>Maldoror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A very worthwhile music project.  Lullabies sung by Western and Middle-Eastern/Central Asian women.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://valley-entertainment.com/Artists/Lullabies_from_the_Axis_of_Evil/#581/&quot;&gt;http://valley-entertainment.co.....Evil/#581/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very worthwhile music project.  Lullabies sung by Western and Middle-Eastern/Central Asian women.</p>
<p><a href="http://valley-entertainment.com/Artists/Lullabies_from_the_Axis_of_Evil/#581/">http://valley-entertainment.co&#8230;..Evil/#581/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bob h</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/08/untold-stories-of-the-iraq-occupation/#comment-611958</link>
		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shouldn’t future withdrawal legislation include liberal and humane provisions for the betrayed?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn’t future withdrawal legislation include liberal and humane provisions for the betrayed?</p>
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		<title>By: newspaperbrat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/08/untold-stories-of-the-iraq-occupation/#comment-611703</link>
		<dc:creator>newspaperbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-611497&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Siun @ 89&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Snuffy - I understand what you are saying but again, am uncomfortable with the frame. We still practice the death penalty, our pundits talk of how if the sailors seized by Iran had been american, they would have fought and died and that would somehow have been more “honorable,” we decide to take over a country like Iraq and we send an army, kill 650,000 and destroy all semblance of infrastucture … I am not at all clear that it is “this population” as you word it who “has a 12th century mindset.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;DING!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-611497"><em>Siun @ 89</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Snuffy &#8211; I understand what you are saying but again, am uncomfortable with the frame. We still practice the death penalty, our pundits talk of how if the sailors seized by Iran had been american, they would have fought and died and that would somehow have been more “honorable,” we decide to take over a country like Iraq and we send an army, kill 650,000 and destroy all semblance of infrastucture … I am not at all clear that it is “this population” as you word it who “has a 12th century mindset.”</p>
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<p><b>DING!</b></p>
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		<title>By: montag</title>
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		<dc:creator>montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-611581&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;P J Evans @ 116&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;montag - you and my (late) father. He rebuilt a compost grinder - took it completely apart and re-welded it, while it was still new. The floor in his basement shop was two layers of 3/4″ plywood, over two layers of 2×4s, screwed down at 6″ intervals, and each layer at right angles to the ones next to it. You could drop a marble on the floor and it wouldn’t roll away. (He even marked the studs by putting in small nails in the floor a little out from the wall.)Metal lathe, jeweller’s lathe, grinder, small milling machine, fume hood-and-sink, piped-in gas (for the Bunsen burner) and compressed air. The bench saw, drill press, and band saw were in Arthur (the outbuilding). (I have to admit, the flechettes in the toolbox were a bit startling, but we didn’t find those until after he died.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was never that, uh, obsessive about it. What I did was make stuff for very little money (the company I worked for pissed and moaned for years about having to buy me a cheap full-size milling machine, until they realized it had saved them several times the purchase cost). I had an old worn-out lathe, the cheap Korean Bridgeport mill copy, a chop saw and a TIG welder to work with, and I made some weird, weird stuff with just that. Eventually, because there was a need, I paid for a small rollforming machine and a box and pan brake, and that was about it.  With that, I built machines that were true to 1/16th inch over thirty-foot lengths, cyclones, you name it, I built it. If they told me they were going into building rockets, I would have told them, “we’ll need more room, then.” :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-611581"><em>P J Evans @ 116</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>montag &#8211; you and my (late) father. He rebuilt a compost grinder &#8211; took it completely apart and re-welded it, while it was still new. The floor in his basement shop was two layers of 3/4″ plywood, over two layers of 2×4s, screwed down at 6″ intervals, and each layer at right angles to the ones next to it. You could drop a marble on the floor and it wouldn’t roll away. (He even marked the studs by putting in small nails in the floor a little out from the wall.)Metal lathe, jeweller’s lathe, grinder, small milling machine, fume hood-and-sink, piped-in gas (for the Bunsen burner) and compressed air. The bench saw, drill press, and band saw were in Arthur (the outbuilding). (I have to admit, the flechettes in the toolbox were a bit startling, but we didn’t find those until after he died.)</p>
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<p>I was never that, uh, obsessive about it. What I did was make stuff for very little money (the company I worked for pissed and moaned for years about having to buy me a cheap full-size milling machine, until they realized it had saved them several times the purchase cost). I had an old worn-out lathe, the cheap Korean Bridgeport mill copy, a chop saw and a TIG welder to work with, and I made some weird, weird stuff with just that. Eventually, because there was a need, I paid for a small rollforming machine and a box and pan brake, and that was about it.  With that, I built machines that were true to 1/16th inch over thirty-foot lengths, cyclones, you name it, I built it. If they told me they were going into building rockets, I would have told them, “we’ll need more room, then.” :)</p>
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		<title>By: snuffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>snuffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;siun,mark ,there was a rumor to the effect that the  saudies are masking the size of the collapse of their oil fields by use of Iraqi oil…their useing “unused,unmetered”pipelines to ship to a saudi controlled port&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>siun,mark ,there was a rumor to the effect that the  saudies are masking the size of the collapse of their oil fields by use of Iraqi oil…their useing “unused,unmetered”pipelines to ship to a saudi controlled port</p>
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		<title>By: Siun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;snuffy - I would certainly agree with your argument that our goal was chaos … which “justifies” the occupation, as we see playing out now. Permanent bases and control of oil …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snuffy &#8211; I would certainly agree with your argument that our goal was chaos … which “justifies” the occupation, as we see playing out now. Permanent bases and control of oil …</p>
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		<title>By: snuffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>snuffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That we are in that part of the world,for the reason we are is bad enough.That our troops have been used in this manner is a shame.We are faceing a payback that will be biblical&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   It could be argued that Bush has simply been more “sucessful” at his agenda in Iraq than the USA….He has been trying like hell to trash this country….he has succeded in Iraq.Just ask Cheney.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   A deep analisis of how the saudi oil feilds are”watering out” is in two parts@ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theoildrum.com.&quot;&gt;www.theoildrum.com.&lt;/a&gt;  At some point in the next 2-4 years,or tommorow,the saudi’s production will drop 2mil barrels, or 25%…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  the two articals ,for those who want to see the future1″water in the gas tank”and”the status of the northern Ghawar” both by sturt staniford…in the drumbeat section for the last few days,this site has shown the real reason for the war.And where we are headed&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That we are in that part of the world,for the reason we are is bad enough.That our troops have been used in this manner is a shame.We are faceing a payback that will be biblical</p>
<p>   It could be argued that Bush has simply been more “sucessful” at his agenda in Iraq than the USA….He has been trying like hell to trash this country….he has succeded in Iraq.Just ask Cheney.</p>
<p>   A deep analisis of how the saudi oil feilds are”watering out” is in two parts@ <a href="http://www.theoildrum.com."></a><a href="http://www.theoildrum.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theoildrum.com</a>.  At some point in the next 2-4 years,or tommorow,the saudi’s production will drop 2mil barrels, or 25%…</p>
<p>  the two articals ,for those who want to see the future1″water in the gas tank”and”the status of the northern Ghawar” both by sturt staniford…in the drumbeat section for the last few days,this site has shown the real reason for the war.And where we are headed</p>
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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;montag - you and my (late) father. He rebuilt a compost grinder - took it completely apart and re-welded it, while it was still new. The floor in his basement shop was two layers of 3/4″ plywood, over two layers of 2×4s, screwed down at 6″ intervals, and each layer at right angles to the ones next to it. You could drop a marble on the floor and it wouldn’t roll away. (He even marked the studs by putting in small nails in the floor a little out from the wall.)Metal lathe, jeweller’s lathe, grinder, small milling machine, fume hood-and-sink, piped-in gas (for the Bunsen burner) and compressed air. The bench saw, drill press, and band saw were in Arthur (the outbuilding). (I have to admit, the flechettes in the toolbox were a bit startling, but we didn’t find those until after he died.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>montag &#8211; you and my (late) father. He rebuilt a compost grinder &#8211; took it completely apart and re-welded it, while it was still new. The floor in his basement shop was two layers of 3/4″ plywood, over two layers of 2×4s, screwed down at 6″ intervals, and each layer at right angles to the ones next to it. You could drop a marble on the floor and it wouldn’t roll away. (He even marked the studs by putting in small nails in the floor a little out from the wall.)Metal lathe, jeweller’s lathe, grinder, small milling machine, fume hood-and-sink, piped-in gas (for the Bunsen burner) and compressed air. The bench saw, drill press, and band saw were in Arthur (the outbuilding). (I have to admit, the flechettes in the toolbox were a bit startling, but we didn’t find those until after he died.)</p>
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		<title>By: montag</title>
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		<dc:creator>montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-611553&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kirk murphy @ 114&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Guys, I love you both, but….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My activist attorney friends teach that even idle chat about destructive devices may be misconstrued by law enforcement with axes to grind.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If I were” is the operative phrase. If I were doing something like that here (which I’m not), I’d be in the arms export trade and the Pentagon would be giving me money to do it…. :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-611553"><em>kirk murphy @ 114</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Guys, I love you both, but….</p>
<p>My activist attorney friends teach that even idle chat about destructive devices may be misconstrued by law enforcement with axes to grind.</p>
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<p>“If I were” is the operative phrase. If I were doing something like that here (which I’m not), I’d be in the arms export trade and the Pentagon would be giving me money to do it…. :)</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Guys, I love you both, but….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My activist attorney friends teach that even idle chat about destructive devices may be misconstrued by law enforcement with axes to grind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(irrespective of grinding device….)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, the US Attorneys would never prosecute a crimnal case - much less seek imprisonment - for political reasons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-611540&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;montag @ 112&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-611529&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;P J Evans @&lt;br /&gt;
                108              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;montag @ 70&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You could cut up the shell casings with a decent hacksaw or bandsaw. A lathe isn’t as good for that, anyway.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As someone with years of experience as a machinist and a prototype machine builder, I’m just suggesting the usual tools for the job–a lathe makes a nice straight cut, especially in heavy-wall pipe, unlike a hacksaw (although a hacksaw would work, in a pinch). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were making EFPs, they’d be the Lexus of EFPs. :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, I love you both, but….</p>
<p>My activist attorney friends teach that even idle chat about destructive devices may be misconstrued by law enforcement with axes to grind.</p>
<p>(irrespective of grinding device….)</p>
<p>Of course, the US Attorneys would never prosecute a crimnal case &#8211; much less seek imprisonment &#8211; for political reasons.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-611540"><em>montag @ 112</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-611529"><em>P J Evans @<br />
                108              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>montag @ 70</p>
<p>You could cut up the shell casings with a decent hacksaw or bandsaw. A lathe isn’t as good for that, anyway.</p>
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<p>As someone with years of experience as a machinist and a prototype machine builder, I’m just suggesting the usual tools for the job–a lathe makes a nice straight cut, especially in heavy-wall pipe, unlike a hacksaw (although a hacksaw would work, in a pinch). </p>
<p>If I were making EFPs, they’d be the Lexus of EFPs. :)</p>
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