As one half of a long distance, long term gay couple I’ve waited for the Democrats to take charge and hopfully push this along. What do you think the chances are? It would be good to see some real progress for gay americans rather than more talk about what will be done someday.

Good luck and thanks for your efforts!

I hope you will be mindful of Oliver North. He became a hero.

After he was tried and convicted of a felony and it was turned over on appeal. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by Republics who choose heros that subvert the laws of the US and lie to Congress about it.

dmg @ 198

Sonoma Rus @ 193

That was terrific. Thanks to Howie and everyone who put this together.

It is a little disturbing though to hear that even the good guys won’t pursue criminal prosecution if the timing happens to be inconvenient. Sigh . . .

i wasn’t gonna say, but you could make a case that the timing ISN’T such a problem.
the timeline on the clinton impeachment was pretty swift, and even the nixon impeachment hearings were held less than a year after the ervin investigations.
timing, um, could always be invoked as an excuse. it’s a matter of the will to press ahead.

Look guys, I’m impatient, too. But you MUST gather evidence before you can impeach.

But that’s what impeachment is designed to do– gather evidence!!! The House gathers the evidence, the Senate does the trial. The Libby Trial, the Waxman hearings, the Leahy hearings, and hopefully soon the Conyers hearings are currently gathering evidence, but don’t forget that half a dozen books have already been written compiling the evidence against Bush & Cheney! Why not appoint a Select Committee of the House, with subpoena power, to rehearse the evidence in those books to rally public opinion?

It has to be solid and overwhelming-and we just aren’t there yet. But we will be. And while I would prefer impeachment before the end of his term, I am very happy to hear Nadler suggest that he would push for criminal charges to be brought even after Bush’s term ends.

That would be important, but impeachment now is even more important. Who knows what other evil schemes Cheney-Rove-Bush have in mind to implement in the next two years?

Bob in HI

Did you try refreshing the whole page, not just the comments?

[Mod Note; Do you mean the ones at 234 and 235?]

Later Odd Mommy….Have to get some work done. appreciate the honest and respectful dialogue.

Support Israel based on the 67 borders! Support a Palestinian state! Peace to both!

Roger that.
Appreciate the dialogue too….adios for now.

No offense Congressman Nadler, bc I think you are doing wonderful work, but “… doubt that the country will have much stomach for actually pursuing an impeachment next year” seems to be a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy within the Beltway.

I think if you look at polls, people are ready for this President to have to answer questions and they by and large already believe that he should be impeached. They feel that he has been allowed to abuse secrecy and misinformation and the whole of government to the point where no investigation would really uncover the extent of what was done – because Congress (and granted it was a mostly Republican controlled Congress, but almost always with large chunks of Dems siding with the Republicans) has failed.

Congress will have a very difficult time being viewed as anything but a failed and milquetoast institution of lobbyists and corporatists if it never actually takes action to assert its power. There is a reason why Congress is viewed so poorly throughout the country and it is not because it has taken stands that were “too strong” for the American populace to stomache. It is because Americans thought Congress would act as a check and it pretty much refused.

Institutionally, a Congress that fears impeachment more than the President will never regain wide respect, IMO.

YES!! AMEN!!!

Bob in HI