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[Howie Klein has some news: "Tomorrow Blue America is going off schedule to accomodate Congressman Jerry Nadler. As much as I hate changing times-- we'll have him at 8am PT/11am EST-- I think it will be worth it if the brilliance on the phone today comes across in the live blog session. The guy blew me away, thanks in part to Christy's great suggestions for lines of questioning." So please tune in earlier tomorrow for a great early edition Blue America with Jerry Nadler -- Pach]
Listen to the Bush enablers pray fervently not to have their party, the party of the Asshat in Chief, tied to their necks for 2008 in tomorrow's Judy Miller Times:
WASHINGTON, April 6 — If the Democratic ascendance on Capitol Hill was supposed to usher in dark days for Republicans, it is hard to tell from talking to moderate ones like Mike Ferguson, who represents a suburban district in central New Jersey.
As the new Democrat-led House rushed to complete its business before adjourning for spring break this week, Representative Ferguson was marveling at the many bills that had been passed in Congress’s first 100 days, including one that would make it easier for unions to organize and another that would increase the minimum wage.
“Under the Republican majority, those bills would have never gotten to the floor,” he explained before heading back to his district. “Now they have been brought to the floor, and I’ve voted for them.”
Mr. Ferguson’s enthusiasm captures a peculiar political reality in the Capitol: many Republicans from swing districts in the Northeast are finding that life under Democratic rule has its advantages.
During the 12 years that Republicans controlled the House, moderate Republicans were the stepchildren of their party, expected to vote with their conservative leadership on crucial issues, even if it meant taking positions that could anger centrist voters back home.
In fact, the Democrats made some of their deepest inroads last year in the Northeast. A total of 10 Republican incumbents in the House were defeated in four states — New Hampshire, Connecticut, New York and Pennsylvania — where the challengers aggressively tried to tie the incumbents to President Bush and his conservative allies on the Hill.
Now, with those losses still fresh in their minds, Republican moderates remaining in the House are vowing to pursue their centrist positions more assertively, even if it means endorsing Democratic initiatives.
And the new Republican House leadership, concerned about losing even more seats in 2008, appears to be showing a pragmatic streak by allowing moderates to stray more freely from the party fold.
“If there’s a good idea, we should work to get it done, regardless of whether it’s a Republican or a Democrat who came up with the idea,” said Mr. Ferguson, who was re-elected last year with just 49.5 percent of the vote.
Since taking control of the House in January, Democrats have pushed through bills that would raise the federal minimum wage, overturn President Bush’s restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, cut interest rates on college loans and implement Sept. 11 commission security recommendations.
Many moderate Republicans joined the Democrats in supporting those measures, including Representative Christopher Shays of Connecticut, who won his own re-election campaign with 51 percent of the vote.
“Democrats basically grabbed the center and ran with it politically,” Mr. Shays said, adding that he would continue working with the Democrats provided they did not veer from the political center.
Representative Peter T. King, a Republican from Long Island who regularly sides with conservative Republicans on abortion and immigration issues, said there were “definitely positives” in the direction Democrats have taken the House.
“For a pro-labor Republican like me, it’s been very beneficial,” he said.
Republicans who survive the continuing blue trend in the Northeast will be rare indeed. I don't know about Ferguson's district, but Shays will be lucky to survive another round in Connecticut. The New York Republican party is all but dead, and though King has been pretty strong in his Nassau County district, as a seriously shameless Bush fluffer, he should be quite vulnerable to a strong challenge should one surface. Does anyone know if Blue America candidate Dave Mejias is running again?
This may be Easter weekend, but there will be no political resurrection for the Bushies, and this Judy Miller Times story is just so full of GOP spin and bullshit I'm wondering if Fred Hiatt has taken over their news division, since he sure doesn't care for the reporting by his own paper's news outfit.
I swear, we're uncovering so much systemic corruption in the executive branch nowadays, I'm pretty sure that if Waxman and others keep pulling those threads, we're going to bump into a few more reporters, editors and media owners, dontcha think?
Because while everything may not be good for Republicans, what's good for Republicans seems like it must be good for the big media outlets, or we would not ever have gotten anywhere near the fix we're in now as a country. There's way too much "coincidence" for all this to have been a coincidence for all these years.
Oh, and by the way. . . Atlanta? Ha ha!
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Pach! Looks like another great post!
THe ZED!
That is a scary picture of Judy Miller! She must be berating someone. Hey Judy, How are the Aspens?! Any lingering lunches with Scooter? He has lotsa time on his hands!
This question may have been EPUd….
Is the Senate formally in Recess or just vacationing for Easter……? If the latter “Recess” appointments will not stand up, I assume.
Shorter Late Nite: All Republicans are hypocrites, but some hypocrites are more Republican than others.
OT not to beat this dead horse too much but the NYT article I saw which disappeared is either this one or a slightly modified form of it.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne…..ws-florida
maunga @ 4
So, if it is Recess do they get milk and graham crakers?
Mets?? As in Metropolitan Police, the pointed hat boyos in New Scotland Yard?
AZ Matt @ 7
I think that’s only the fres…er, kindergarteners.
Evening, Pach.
Maybe some of these centrist repubs are thinking about changing parties. Like Chaffee should have done as (I think) TSF said.
The 2008 opponents of Messrs. King, Ferguson, and Shays will need to point out that Democrats would not vote to uphold Bush vetoes of these bills their Congressmen are so fond of. Or will these “rebel Republicans” buck their Codpiece-in-Chief and vote to overturn?
AZ Matt @
7
Recess is swings and kickball.
Nice post, Pach — I like this last segment from the article:
Yeah, except for the Iraq votes, and there will be several, and they matter to the folks back home.
Sununu is going, going, gone and then we go after Gregg. The legacy boyz are finished.
I just hope it will happen before millions more die and our freedoms and our reputation is not completely wiped our forever.
I think we are going to be asking why they have been so F*cking Lazy that they haven’t been doing their jobs. There are reporters doing it but there are too many like Miller who partake of the kool-aid they are given at the WH pressers. They need to get a pair between their legs.
Hugh @
6
But FEMA still didn’t help half the people in Mississippi with storm damage from Katrina!
Heya Suzanne and everyone.
I’ve had no toobz for 24 hours, just got back online, except for a brief stint at my office today. Having a Treo helps my addiction, but it’s not enough. . . never enough!
Pach – I couldn’t agree more. Witness Bill O’Liely’s compounding insanity – his increasing hysteria over current events indicates to me he is in this up to his loo… ehh, eyballs. I personally can’t wait for the shoe to drop…
Perhaps the White House press corps will grow a pair just in time to start asking tough questions of a Democratic Administration in 2009. Wanna bet? Their motto: “Supine No More!”
EvilDrPuma @ 9
The Putnam from the last thread looks like he could be in kindergarden. Actually he reminded me of a young John Doolittle. Scary that.
kelven @ 19
He actually said something tonight like “Rosie is losing it; everyone can see it.” Oh my…Pot, meet kettle.
It’s a litle bit quiet tonight. Did I piss off all the Georgians and they’re ignoring me?
Helen @ 22
At least when Rosie loses it she remains civilized – I’ve never seen her tell someone to shut up or cut their mike. Nothing wrong with empassioned debate, but that’s not really what Bill does. You either agree with him or you don’t get the podium.
I’ve told TRex before not to eat computer parts. Sometimes, he just doesn’t think before chewing.
Scarecrow @ 14
198 of 201 Republicans in the House voted against HR 1591 the Iraq/Afghanistan supplemental to fund the troops. Only 2 Republicans voted for it: Jones of North Carolina and Gilchrist. Davis did not vote. Why do Republicans hate America? Why do Republicans hate our troops? And what is all this nonsense about Republicans moderates?
Pelosi ‘07 I say!
Gnome de Plume @ 27
here! here!
Gnome de Plume @ 27
AMEN!
Pachacutec @ 23
The modem OD’ed on snark. It happens in the best of families.
tsf –
Perhaps the White House press corps will grow a pair just in time to start asking tough questions of a Democratic Administration in 2009. Wanna bet? Their motto: “Supine No More!”
– but as ovine as ever…
Suzanne @ 25
What else do you feed him?
Pach I had to do chores etc. today and I even turned off the teevee and listened to music thinking it was a slow Friday. Then the Sheet hit the fan this afternoon. When I finally logged on I was out of the loop. I have to squeeze every ounce of info out of everyday. What kind of therapy do you suggest for media junkies? I am lucky I don’t live in China. They lock people up like me especially teenagers.
lolo
Cassie @ 32
Pasta
lolo @ 33
Are you a teenager?
Sex.
Cassie @ 35
No Cassie I am old. :)
Oops. I’m not advising teenage sex. Abstinence only. Heh. Yikes! You’re a teen.
Well, for teens, if you can’t wait, be safe.
Tim Grieve on Cheney for Prez.
http://www.salon.com/politics/…..index.html
maunga @ 4
According to the published tentative schedule for the year, the Senate is not in session. IIRC, while individual members may miss floor sessions, the Senate doesn’t stay in session while everyone goes home.
(And btw, Bush’s “going on vacation” slap was particularly obnoxious, because Congress is in recess, not “on vacation,” and a lot of members do quite a bit of work while they’re in recess, whereas Bush actually did go on vacation immediately after making those remarks.)
Cassie? Am I mistaken or is Pach a Bloggodfather of sorts?
Pachacutec @ 36
Well seeing as I spent 5 years in SLAA um…..maybe that ain’t a good idea, wait …..maybe…..no I love being single.
Pachacutec @ 38
Just an old love addict.
Wasman is a perfect example of those working through the recess.
“Oh, and by the way. . . Atlanta? Ha ha!”
I’m a BoSox fan but keep your eye on this guy…
http://www.charlotteobserver.c…..73526.html
Tomorrow’s super star, no doubt about it ; )
Cassie @ 17
Evening, Cassie!
I was in Los Angeles when the 1994 earthquake hit, during Bill Clinton’s presidency, with James Witt in charge of FEMA, and later had the experience of needing to call FEMA when we were declared a ‘disaster area’ because of torrential rains during Bush’s occupation, when the roof on part of our house had collapsed.
The difference between the way we were treated by Clinton’s FEMA and Bush’s FEMA is almost not to be believed. Our house was moved off its foundation 3 inches and had to be totally rebuilt, and FEMA was there immediately with a minimum of red tape and help right away.
Bush’s FEMA? A month’s work of going back and forth to the FEMA office with different documents (never the proper ones, apparently) and then finally a cursory ‘inspection’ by a surly, indifferent man who offhandedly said, “It wasn’t the rain’s fault your roof caved in.” I suppose I could have continued to fight, but I was so disheartened by the lack of anything resembling an interest in helping me – more like an interest on making sure they didn’t have to do anything – that I gave it up as hopeless. This was a couple of years before Katrina, so when Katrina hit and FEMA was worse than useless, I was one of the few people I knew who wasn’t surprised.
Pachacutec @ 38
Oh, man!!!!! And I was gonna use that as a reason!
(Really my boyfriend and I promised our parents nothing below the waist till after 16.)
lolo @ 42
You started to say something, lolo?
Suzanne @ 45
My freshman Democratic Congresswoman held a town hall meeting in her district today, and that wasn’t the only event on her schedule.
What did Bush do, cut some brush?
Heh. Good for you Cassie.
Suzanne @ 45
He’s not stupid. So many scandals; so little time.
Terry Olson @ 49
I am in love with politics, 24/7.
Pachacutec @ 51
Wanna bet, the week before he turns 16, we get another big family meeting!
Cassie @ 54
H. Con. Res. 103
The Senate adjourned.
Nice and sorta quiet at the lake tonight and dark enough that i can put a toe in and delurk for a bit. Found the lake during the Libby trial and have become horrrrrrrribly addicted- good humor and massive intelligence here, was about to post a comment about the highmindedness last night but then all hell broke loose– more fun! good diversion from the “other stuff” So much fun to know/read each of you! now, what else is being posted? huh, huh, huh???
Hugh @ 56
dang
Welcome Nanz.
Be careful. You’re starting out the way I did.
lolo @
54
Yes, Cassie, your parents will have to have teh talk with you because of these nasty ‘lil 5th graders:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17980152/
Welcome, nanz. Hope your toe found the Lake satisfactory.
Nanz @ 57
Welcome Nanz. Beware – once you delurk there is no going back. It’s a hoot!
I swear, I’m so fed up with this bullsh*t line that passing the minimum wage hike,forcing medicare to negotiate for drug prices instead of paying 3 times more, implementing post 9-11 security measures, stem cell research, etc, is CENTRIST! No, assholes, it’s liberal! THESE ARE LIBERAL POLICIES! They’ve been listening for so long to the far right wingnuts that were in control of the gov’t and the media describe liberals in terms of socialism/communism (ooh, boogeyman!) for so long that people have forgotten that American Liberals aren’t actual Bolsheviks. Liberals are able to accept that not all Conservatives are Hitler, Rumsfeld or Tom Delay, why can’t they accept that we’re not all Michael Moore or, or, well someone hell bent on destroying our capitalist system utterly.
Pachacutec — the world’s first Incan Godblogfather. Kinda cute.
btw, cassie — I think your idea of sending the misbehaving Repub actors to detention makes a lot of sense.
hello, Nanz and welcome! you are now and forever de-lurked.
Hi Nanz– nice toe!
FDL is the best place to be.
Hugh, is “adjournment” a parliamentary method of taking a break without “recess”?
Or are they the same thing wrt Presidential recess appointment authority?
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Welcome, Nanz!
Nanz @ 57
love the lake. It gets us through the rough spots. All the hard work is paying off. The FDL team will go down in history just wait.
Hi Nanz – Welcome to the lake. All clean towels are on the left.
Eureka Springs @ 67
….the soiled laundry is on the right…
Helen @ 62
Helen, I haven’t seen you and I wanted to let you know that I did read and love the book you recommended in the EPU’d thread.
lolo
Hugh @
55
Well, guess the dems learned a valuable lesson.
Welcome, Nanz!
“now, what else is being posted? huh, huh, huh???”
Pach said:
“Be careful. You’re starting out the way I did.”
He speaks for all of us, I think. FDL is different from all other blogs.
the dirty ones are on the *right* Nanz!
wringers.
Delurking is a gateway drug.
I am so GLAD Ass Coulter is Republican. Even to just get attention this is sick. From Salon:
Ass Coulter
lolo at 70 – So glad you liked it. I’ve been around but mostly reading, only commenting a bit.
Welcome nanz! Isn’t FDL the best?!
Friends don’t let friends link to Coulter.
Yes, Cassie, your parents will have to have teh talk with you because of these nasty ‘lil 5th graders:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17980152/
no parents around, but i saw that. (I live with my older brother, my aunt, my cousin, and sometimes my brother’s girlfriend.) how GROSS that story is!
Thanks all! what makes toobz break down, I never chew on them? — it is wierd the way this works, you have to be away while composing and a lag time, while trying to be clever! glad to see how it works, also explains some overlap (like Goodling this afternoon) that was fun to see piling in as people heard about resignation.
conniptionfit @ 62
Connip, they don’t want to accept that we’re not as wingnutty as they are. My own senator, Kit-who-needs-to-retire-Bond, gave a speech in Missouri today and actually worked mentions of both George Soros and Michael Moore into a denouncement of Nancy Pelosi’s trip to the Middle East. He wants Missourians to denounce the Democrat bill to defund the troops and set a timeline that will let the terrorists know when they can take over in Iraq. Of course, a couple of months ago, Kit voted to eradicate the minimum wage, too. I’m waiting for the day I can vote to eradicate Kit Bond.
Helen @ 76
Good to see you.
Pachacutec @ 74
So true. We think we’re hooked when we only lurk. And then we de-lurk and there’s no going back.
Helen @ 83
I never just lurked. I jumped right in!
So we’ve got a bunch of moderate Republicans saying, “Thank God our party lost! Now we can finally get some sensible legislation passed!”
I’m not seeing how this is going to help them in 2008. You know what’s better than a Republican who votes for sensible Democratic legislation? A Democrat who does the same thing. And as an added bonus, the National Guard won’t be halfway around the world if a major hurricane hits your city.
Cassie @ 79
no parents around, but i saw that. (I live with my older brother, my aunt, my cousin, and sometimes my brother’s girlfriend.) how GROSS that story is!
Yes – we met Aunt Betsy last night
Do you suppose that our “centrist” Democrats will absorb that Republicans believe that centrism means supporting Democratic positions?
Well, no, me neither, but it would be nice.
TeddySanFran @ 78
Damn straight!
More from the War Room:
http://www.salon.com/politics/…..index.html Duncan Hunter is complaining that Republicans on the committee “were not consulted” about the change — it sucks to be in the minority, doesn’t it?
Bwahahahahaha!!!
From the Senate glossary
adjourn – A motion to adjourn in the Senate (or a committee) ends that day’s session.
recess – A temporary interruption of the Senate’s (or a committee’s) business.
Generally, the Senate recesses (rather than adjourns) at the end of each calendar day
Adjourn for more than 3 days - Under the Constitution, neither chamber may adjourn for more than three days without the approval of the other. Such approval is obtained in a concurrent resolution approved by both chambers.
adjournment to a day and time certain - An adjournment of the Senate that fixes the day and time for its next session.
Adjournment Sine Die - The end of a legislative session “without day.” These adjournments are used to indicate the final adjournment of an annual or the two-year session of a Congress.
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo…..ossary.htm
TeddySanFran @ 78,
The link goes to the Salon article.
And how is the the City tonight?
julia @ 85
Ding ding. We have a winnah!
Frank, you are always so right-on!
Anybody remember (lolo) POWER TO THE PEOPLE-RIGHT-ON!
tejanarusa @ 88
Poor thing. Should we FedEx him some Kleenex?
AZ Matt @ 91
Foggy and damp.
Thanks Hugh!
Can the Executive make recess apoointments during adjournments, or is the power restricted to declared “recesses”?
Cassie @ 79
no parents around, but i saw that. (I live with my older brother, my aunt, my cousin, and sometimes my brother’s girlfriend.) how GROSS that story is!
Don’t overlook that the grossest idiocy here is that the supposed adults have had 11 and 12 yr. olds arrested on sex offenses, which will taint and follow them all their days. Jeez, why can’t people have some SENSE!
Terry Olson @ 92
Yes I do.
conniptionfit @
88
I’m gonna get a complex. Are you all trying to send me some kinda de-gayification message? From Jane’s Buzz-saw post earlier today:
Jane Hamsher @
12
What I said about Billo goes double for frau Coulter. I seriously think her insainity hides a deep involvment in the more pshycotic aspects of this administration. No one defends this kind of criminal boobery without something in the game…
Damn straight, T.
TSF – 707
TeddySanFran @ 94
It is a beautiful city when the sun shines through. Have the flower been blooming?
Teddy – you funny
‘fanyone wants to listen to the court of appeals hearing that freed the wisconsin civil servant, it is allegedly here
I haven’t listened to it yet…
Helen @ 86
Yes – we met Aunt Betsy last night
She is cool! My brother is my guardian but she is cool like a mom is supposed to be.
Hey, Pach — we need to talk . . .
ckcentral at yahoo dot com . . .
I figure that FDL breaks the demographics in the age span of commenters. From what I’ve been able to gather, there are some who are even (yikes) plus 70 and some who are even (yikes) under 16!
Eureka Springs @ 101
LOL TSF!!
Were they charged as adults?
pachacutec at firedoglake dot com.
Terry Olson @ 92
I confess to being mystified by a lot of recent spin that’s coming out these days. Actually, it’s not really spin. There’s a big difference between “spin” and “pure bullshit”, and we seem to be seeing a lot more of the latter. Take John McCain. (Please!) Now he’s saying he “misspoke” about conditions in Baghdad. People who “misspeak” usually “correct themselves” as soon as they realize their error, or at least as soon as it’s pointed out to them. You did not “misspeak”. You tried to “run a line of pure bullshit on the American people”. You’re only going to get into more trouble by trying to bullshit your way out of it. Go back to Spin School: “My earlier comments were not entirely accurate.” Soft-pedaling is okay. Bullshitting is not. You’re way over the line.
kelven @ 99
Faux News is getting darker by the day. I check to see what the liars are saying and I am appalled by the graphics and tone. It would be comical if it wasn’t so scary. What will they do next?
Cassie at 105 – That’s what my nieces and nephews say about me. It is a HUGE compliment.
Pachacutec @ 111
damn straight
Pentimenti @ 104
WOW, everything at our finger tips, thanks.
Uh,Teddy, is that not ok gay? My daughter the vegan is always riding me about figures of speech, like calling some politician a “pig”. She says “Not vegan Mom!”. So um, shall I change it to “Damn skippy!”? ‘ Cause I’m so not into offending any of my firedoggie friends. Jeez, I love you guys. (I’m thinking of changing my screen name to that, whaddaya think?)
Frank Probst @ 111
I read a bit on that misspeak. Now he is misspeaking out his ass. THat was a damn quick flip-flop. Flippity-floppity!
oops, big old error message.
Too Bad Duncan — dont you have your hands full pulling strings getting a Blackwater training site set up in eastern San Diego County? Probably have to get it going while repugs still have some power. A disturbing development, not too far from border or the real military bases — hope the citizens of the community have some luck stopping it or slowing it down. (OT, really)
What else can I say?
Everyone is gay.
Well, Firepups, new and old, this old’un is fighting the addiction and heading fo bed.
Wonder what fresh dlights/outrages/stunners will greet me when I log on tomorrow?
Sweet dreams!r
look at this horrible article: http://www.thestar.com/article/200265 . racist furniture sellers
Hi Cassie– you just make me smile.
Keep doing your thing!
oh and btw, thank you brendan for thanking Judy Miller for taking “us” to war.
you totally rock, and i mean it. :0
Nite, tejanarusa.
tejanarusa @ 120
night night. Sleep well.
conniptionfit @ 116
Show me the way!
One could always say “damn forward” instead of “damn straight” I suppose… but as I told my nephew once it’s all about intention…
Cassie @ 120
Wow Cassie! That is quite a link! Click through, all!
Cassie@- The article just said arrested. I think the DA has to decide whether to charge them and what with. Maybe s/he doesn’t have sh*t for brains and will turn ‘em over to their parents with a demand that they get counceling and are grounded until they’re 35.
Valley Girl @ 128
What I love about young ‘uns – they HATE racism and are very sensitive to it any form. Us old ‘uns could learn a thing or two from ‘em.
Pachacutec @ 119
I’m Spartacus!
conniptionfit @ 117
kidding, just kidding.
Marveling at the FDL coincidence of being told “damn straight” twice in one day, that’s all. (Although when giving directions, we are known to say, “then go gaily forward” rather than “straight ahead”)
TeddySanFran @ 132
Um, great minds think alike?
Nanz, Nothing is OT in a late nite thread.. (or at least very rarely)
Cassie @ 83
Me, too! Some of us are just special that way.
Eureka Springs @ 132
ES, your comment’s not an appropriate topic for this blog.
conniptionfit is one of my favorite screen names..
Eureka Springs @ 137
Aww, stop, yer makin’ me blush….
No, but I have been told that some of my posts are Not Appropriate Topics For This Site.
Cassie @
122
Okay, that’s just bizarre. I’m going to HOPE that there’s some sort of innocent explanation for it. I have to say that I don’t think the furniture company handled it well (Correct response: Profuse apology. Offer to replace furniture. Promise it will be investigated and will never happen again.), and it could turn into a PR disaster for them.
conniptionfit – I have been wondering, are you southern?
conniptionfit @ 138
it’s one of my favorites too. Of course I am dense and it took, like, 4 reads to get it.
Pachacutec @ 139
Which posts? I’ve never had the pleasure of seeing one.
Eureka Springs @ 141
No, honey, just army brat.
Oh and Teddy, glad to see you are becoming a regular poster. It’s amazing to watch this blog growing into such an intelligent and powerful voice on the internet. Someone above mentioned FDL going down in history and I couldn’t agree more. This blog and others like it are at the forefront of Citizen Journalism which I predict will become more popular and relevant than the pundit class in a few short years…
TeddySanFran @
78
Hear ye, hear ye!
Ding! Ding!
On my blog today I sent a bunch of politicians to detention at my old middle school.
Tole’s funnies:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/….._main.html
Do you think there will ever be a time when the mainstream media gets fair again?
There isn’t a real difference that I know of between recessing and an adjourning. The time period while one or both houses is out is more properly the recess (recess as a noun).
The key to the recess appointments is, I believe, an adjournment of more than 3 days. This is the one that requires a concurrent resolution, i.e. a resolution agreed on by both houses. This does not mean that the House and Senate recesses are necessarily of the same lengths. This time around the concurrent resolution 103 calls for the Senate to reconvene on April 10 and the House on April 16.
In the beginning, recess appointments were made because the Congress met for only about half the year. Recess appointments allowed the business to go on despite the relatively long periods when the Congress was not in session. Then they made sense.
In more recent times, they tended to be made over the summer recess which is usually most of the month of August.
The controversy this time with regard to Bush’s recess appointments is that the recess is about 11 days (7 business days) long, and so breaks with tradition. And again you have to remember that this is a process that has become something of an anachronism. No President really anymore is so pressed that they can’t wait a month. So the process has turned more and more into a political vehicle to place unconfirmable candidates into positions that they would never get in the normal course. What Bush did this time was push the envelope on what is a traditional but unnecessary practice.
Monica may have resigned but — She will still get to say “I plead the 5th!”
kelven @ 145
double ding!
kelven @ 145
I totally agree – and those of us who can go up and hit the paypal button (haven’t seen a reminder recently) will do so, right? HERE I GO.
Hugh @
150
The expert on Rachel Maddow’s show yesterday said that the part of the appointment that might be ILLEGAL is that recess appts are unpaid and you can;t have an unpaid ambassedor.
CASSIE- YOU WROTE THAT?? I am sincerely impressed. And humbled.Cassie @ 149
Yes, Cassie, when you go to journalism school…and teach ‘em how it’s done.
Cassie @ 149
Yes.
But we have to be forever vigilant– too many of our fellow citizens were asleep, otherwise occupied, or afraid.
Hugh @ 150
Additionally, Bush’s formal withdrawal of Sam Fox’s nomination last week, one hour before being voted on by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, may have made this week’s recess appointment not, um, legal, according to Senator Chris Dodd, who has referred this and other questions about the appointment to the Government Accountability Office.
conniptionfit @ 155
THANK YOU!!! You can find ALL my writings before this week here.
angie @ 123
What Angie said.
Cassie @ 147
How do we describe Cassie’s post without the appropriate but touchy epithet? Anyway:
Brava, dear Cassie!
Cassie @ 152
I think that was a point that Senator Dodd may have raised. Certain positions have a fixed salary that must be paid under law. This conflicts with the recess appointment which can not be paid, unless confirmed by the Senate at which time it is no longer a recess appointment. I believe this contradiction has existed many times before now but as the President is pushing the envelope, folks like Dodd are pushing back. If Bush wants to be a stickler, then the Senate may decide to be even sticklier. *g*
Cassie at 154 – yes that is correct. Seems like the lawyers in the Bush administration are 1) stooopid 2) young and stoopid or 3) WAY too busy rehearsing their (his) lies to have figured this out.
Cassie @ 148
Cassie, where you are now, FDL, and what you and others are doing with your blog are among the reasons I am able to say yes.. but I don’t know if I believe it was ever really fair. Information flows in all directions now, like never before. As long as we maintain a free and open flow particularly on the internet as well as work constantly to communicate and verify facts we might just have a chance.
Hugh @ 161
I hope they show him he can’t just be king.
Well, I think it’s time I take a recess, er, adjourn. . . um. . .
Fuckit. I’m going to bed.
Nite, all!
g’nite, pach. enjoy your weekend.
Pachacutec @ 165
LOL. Good night! I have 12 more minutes myself before I have to shut the lid.
Night, Pach, and thanks.
Punctuation matters.
Damn. Straight. — He/She is a cutie, but it ain’t gonna happen.
Damn Straight! — Someone flaunting his/her wedding ring, tax deduction, suitability for military service, and general heterosexualness.
There’s a big difference . . .
TeddySanFran @ 99
Jane Hamsher @ 12
Before you get too ticked off at Jane, be glad she didn’t say “Damn! Straight!”
TeddySanFran @ 157
Now wait just one moment, Teddy…Something Bush doing…Illegal?
“Pearls…couch…“
;>)
Me, too. Jeez, I love you guys. ‘Nite ‘nite
TeddySanFran @ 95
Like little cat feet.
Which I have started feeding, creeping into the old rhodas, breaking a few each day to feed this terrible-lookinging thing, with a dish of food. And every day, he comes closer. I have told Ashley (she came named, and her sister is our barn cat, both drop offs and both eleven-year-olds) that I love another cat. I will never love her less. Ever.
Remember Pretty in Pink, standing behind Val Plame at her Congressional hearing? Turns out s/he is really Midge Potts, a transgender activist FKA Mitchell Potts, Navy and Gulf War One vet. Apparently, s/he is now a professional activist who’s targeted the Dems.
http://today.reuters.com/news/…..mp;src=cms
darkblack @ 170
Yesss!
G’nite Pach, conniptionfit!
BTW, Cassie-
This is a very nice pickup from your piece of 4 April – in legal terminology, it’s called “bootstrapping”.
Darkblack, good.
Too bad there were only 7. Feith belongs there too.
Is Jane still up? This one needs her special attention:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1
newtonusr @ 175
Please explain. I don’t understand.
Terry Olson @ 176
A house fell on his character in the first reel
;>)
darkblack @ 170
Simply great!!
Cassie,
Great piece on political detention and accountability! You might send a link to some of the Democrats running for office (president and otherwise), and see what kind of response you get.
newtonusr @ 160
Night Pach,Cassie, and all. tanks for lifting my spirits and all that good stuff.
newtonusr @ 176
Would a “basic understanding” entail an explanation that Shakespeare used the Geneva Bible, which is hardly ever used today? Would it include a discussion of why this is so, and why the King James Version supplanted the Geneva Bible in popular culture several hundred years ago, but more than a millenium after the life of Christ? If so, I’m all for it.
Alicia @ 173
But…But…That would make him a …Criminal?
“Smelling salts…Hyperbaric chamber…”
;>)
darkblack @ 170
were’s Lieberlieman? LOVE IT
Frank Probst @ 183
Yeah, that would be cool. I have never heard of the Geneva Bible!
Good night all!
Cassie @ 178
In support of the Bible being taught in publlic schools, an argument is made that, since Shakespear is taught, and biblical references are made throughout Shakespear, to paraphrase: “How can we deprive our poor students of the context of those biblical references?”
Instead of arguing a compelling need for the teaching of the Bible on Christopathian grounds, he/she attaches it to an educational requirement.
nite cassie
Good night Cassie – Keep on keepin’ on (yeah – ask Aunt Betsy about that phrase)
lolo @ 185
At that moment, he’d rather spite than switch .
;>)
Frank Probst @
178
What year is this?
Moderate Democrats no you mean conservative dems moderate means the middle between the extremes if I may Judy the American people are about 70% against your war you lying stenographer. Where are the American people on issues like healthcare and education huh Judy if anything our moderates are the real conservatives and your bushies are the extreme! The liberal net roots if anything are ONLY organizing the American people they are not PUSHING America left we were already left and angry. In fact name one issue the that we have pushed that was not already supported by the American people. (SUN TZE only fight when victory is assured) Come to think of it Judy name one issue that you’ve pushed that doesn’t require lying to the American people about it. Come to think of it if 70% of Americans are against the war what possible audience does the NY Times with its failing stock price hope to attract with you writting for them again Corporate Bankrupcy Attorneys perhaps?
Frank Probst @ 178
Frank, what do you think about this??
don’t want to break anything or any margins, but just wanted to say g’nite to all of you and to newspaperbrat @ 183.
Terry Olson @ 190
It’s hard to know where to begin on how many things are wrong with this piece, but I’m sending it over to Amanda – let her chew on this a while!
Frank Probst @
178
Why do these wingnuts get away with praising the Muslim world’s nutcases like Ahmadinejad, Saddam and the Taliban on crap like this where they find common cause with each other? Falwell and Robertson can come out a couple of days after 9/11 and say God let them attack us, same shit. This kind of crap is why they are called Talibangelicals.
DARKBLACK!!! Another zinger! And a perfect note for me to say g’night pups! Sleep well all…
Hey Newspaperbrat – I tried to e-mail you the other night about that Pelosi button, but my e-mail bounced. Your server must not like gnomes.
Gnome de Plume @ 198
Get back in the garden you silly gnome!
things come undone @ 192
Wonderful run-on sentence; no paragraph; no diatribe. Kuddos!! I could not agree more.
darkblack @
190
he’d rather fright than snudge
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 198
Another of the fine screen names!
punaise @ 201
Would he rather bite than budge?
Nothing the Braves do in the first 50 games has any bearing on the conclusion of the season–this is just when Bobby cox figures out what he has to work with and adjusts.
Besides, the REAL fun comes tomorrow–Glavine v. Smoltz in Atlanta!
(Okay, I’m a little bitter. what do you expect–worst home opener in franchise history and all that, really hurts quite a bit)
angie @ 194
Night Night
Why, thank you. *blush*
JR Lentini @ 204
GO METS
punaise @ 200
…Or make fudge rather than ditch
;>)
JR Lentini @ 203
Oh please. One bad home opener and it’s whine, whine, whine. Suck it up, and get back to me when it’s been a century — then we’ll talk.
Go Cubs!
Classic darkblack on this thread.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 196
um, Fini– you are succumbing to the crazy crap that you are being fed. Don’t do it. If one believes that “those people” are backward and not the “cradle of civilization”– all of us, christians, jews, muslims, hindus, agnostics, atheists, baptists– well we’re doomed, are we not?
It’s all about us being the most powerful military in the world and don’t forget it, friend.
TeddySanFran @ 210
he is on a roll with a little punaise on the side
“teach the bible in school”
Fine with me- of course half of the classes will be taught by atheist teachers- some will be taught by Mormons- some will be taught by witches…none can claim that what the Bible says is true- and all points of view will be represented.
You know who would REALLY HATE this shit? Jerry Falwell!!
Wow Peterr, your one day rise in stock with me is unbelievable. Today I find out you’re not only a Dschinghis Khan fan, but a Cubs fan to boot! Right on! GO CUBS!
well, speaking of baseball (Pach!): Dodgers vs. Giants on Friday night at PachBell Park (OK, it’s SBC or something now):
need I say more?
four games into a 162 game schedule, and come September the final score of this game will have as much bearing as the final game of the final series of the season.
unfortunately the outcome wasn’t favorable this night – Giants couldn’t buy a two-out hit – but the possibilities were there into the bottom of the ninth.
baseball, the conditional sport – it’s all about what could happen.
Of course Mets!
Does anyone know anything of this Geneva Bible?
And Red Sox!
The East Coast is really hard to divide. At least that way.
Terry Olson @ 177
Feith belongs in prison.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 213
In my professional opinion, there is no more divine place to watch a baseball game than the bleachers of Wrigley Field. As an Old Testament professor of mine once said, “God is on the side of the poor and oppressed, and they don’t come any more oppressed than the Cubs.”
mhpcr @ 216
No, only the KIng James.
Gnome de Plume @ 198
Sorry about that – more likely my computer illiteracy (just ask darkblack) then my server – try XXX@xxx. Have your button ready to mail.
lolo @ 212
relish it.
punaise @ 215
Cuz there’s no time limit. Anything can happen.
hey npb.. sorry i missed you earlier.
Peterr @ 218
add to list of things to do one day: pilgramage to Wrigley Field.
angie @ 211
Oh I know, I’ve actually met and hung out with Muslims from all over the Middle East and South Asia. One good friend of mine grew up in Pakistan which is probably the most fundamentalist society over there and even they are not as fundie as the propaganda would have us believe.
Almost every Muslim student I’ve ever met comments on just how religious Midwestern society is here in America. They cant get over how the average person here is very religious as opposed to the average person on the street in Muslim society. The Al Quaeda/Taliban types are a small minority.
mhpcr @ 215
This being Good Friday, I’ll refrain from making further comment about the Mets.
Here’s a bit on the Geneva Bible.
neurophius @ 217
Feith No More
punaise @ 221
i’m trying to catch up
darkblack @ 208
Klein had a little bit of an epiphany today, but I hope Liebermann keeps walking.
neurophius @ 217
In time….God willing. I think the GWB.com stuff if going to include the Whig, OSP, and Aga Kahn.
Peterr @ 218
I have not yet had that privilege despite being a mere three hour drive from Wrigley. I need to make that happen sometime before I leave this mortal coil.
darkblack @ 208
trite, then snitch
punaise @ 221
teeheehee
punaise @ 223
During “orientation week” as a freshman at Northwestern, a dorm-mate got a bunch of us to go down to Wrigley with this appeal: “It’s September, the Cubs are 20 games out of first place, the weather is warm, the beer is cold, and the seats are cheap. Let’s go.” That was on Monday morning. By the next Monday morning, I had seen 8 games, and have been a Cubs fan ever since.
You have been warned.
lolo @ 230
I agree – but we gotta get it. Before it is destroyed.
lolo @ 233
it’s what Condi meant to say
neurophius @ 217
Remember? Feith belongs in the Hague.
Peterr @ 234
exhiled to the Bay Area, among many baseball ex-pats….yet, you are surrounded.
Remember? Feith belongs in the Hague.
Standing next to the other members of this cabal, Bush, Cheney, et al.
Peterr @ 226
Thanks, our humble spiritual leader at the lake. :)
Peterr @ 234
FiniFini – Are the Cubs playing at home during YK2?
Barring poor health, Lieberman is gonna be around for another six years. He will be annoying. I choose to ignore him.
TeddySanFran @ 210
lolo @ 212
punaise @ 221
TeddySanFran @ 227
lettuce beware of the margins
npb.. ygm
I dont know if they are playing during YKos or not. It would be cool if they have a night game.
Peterr @ 243
you’re so rye.
Peter at 243 (and the rest of you) I love this place.
TeddySanFran @ 209
That hack? I could pixelise better with a pen tablet held between my buttcheeks
signed,
darblack
;>)
punaise @ 245
It’s the yeast I could do.
Frank Probst @ 178
That is just mind boggling.
I think my daughter would like to dispute that. Considering the fact that she is larger, stronger and more fit than the average male. Plus, the black belt and a high level of aggression doesn’t hurt either(unless you piss her off).
Peterr @ 249
…rising to the occasion
Always relish the bologna
Peterr @ 249
This is a bunch of freaking bologna.
punaise @ 250
. . . and waiting for the inevitable “punchdown”
back to lettuce, huh?
Lettuce beware of the margins
you’re so rye.
It’s the yeast I could do.
This is a bunch of freaking bologna.
(zig free)
punaise @ 251
OK – no kidding – I have only so much money for beer. It has all been spewed on the keyboard.
rwcole @ 252
dixit rwcoleslaw
Helen @ 247
It’s like the movie Cocoon..
lettuce beware of the margins
you’re so rye.
It’s the yeast I could do….
…rising to the occasion
as knead be
Peterr @ 234
In my professional opinion, there is no more divine place to watch a baseball game than the bleachers of Wrigley Field. As an Old Testament professor of mine once said, “God is on the side of the poor and oppressed, and they don’t come any more oppressed than the Cubs.”
I studied theology at Boston University and was housed in the Women’s Theological Residence on Commonwealth Ave., right up from Kenmore Sq uare. Later, The Citgo sign was where I was home. For some time.
My brother demanded seats when he came to visit. I was writing a paper, which I did throughout the game which we saw. I became a fan later in my life.
Eureka Springs @ 260
you’re making me hungry
you know she’s lurking.
yo, Pickles!
Ever had a craving, and didn’t know why?
;>)
Frank et al. —
As a counterpoint to the sad piece you referenced, Steve Clemons had a great piece at the Washington Note on Anne Garrels, the NPR reporter who has spent much of the Iraq war in the Red Zone (not the Green Zone) of Baghdad. She was speaking at Chatham College (a women’s college), and Steve passed along some of her remarks. A couple of highlights:
The typos are Steve’s, but the snark and skewers belong to Anne.
wrong link? here’s Pickles
If you don’t believe in putting pedophiles in charge of orphanages, and you don’t believe in putting vampires in charge of blood banks, then don’t vote to put Republicans in charge of a large government. D’oh!!
Clusterfuck is puttin all his money on “stall” at the ol craps table in the sky- hopin that if he can buy another 9 months his pile of shit in Iraq will start smellin like roses. He’s an optimistic little incompetent sociopath.
damn here i am – late as hell and slightly hungover – cant get my thoughts together but just had to get my fix on the lake – these last few comments have bun delicious!!
punaise @ 266
Laura needs a new hairdresser. Not even close to natural.
Helen @ 256
There’s an old Irish legend that says that when you die and come to St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he takes you by the heels, turns you upside down, and holds you headfirst inside a barrel full of all the alcohol you ever spilled in your life. If you drown, you go to hell.
Given the many similar keyboard experiences recounted by FDL commenters, I’m hoping some of the FDL lawyer-types will point out to St. Peter that the beer spewed onto one’s keyboard is not technically a spill, and thus ought not to be counted against the poor soul who forgot to set the beer down before hitting “refresh comments.”
Kinda pathetic- we’ve got a grown man- leader of the free world- sittin around hopin fer fairies to come and save his ass out of his dumb shit war..
“Little old ta be believin in fairies ain’tcha?”
GW Clusterfuck prays ta Jesus every day:
“Dear Lord- please come out of the sky and clean up this fuckin mess I’ve made”
So far- no response.
Hey, weren’t we supposed to bomb the crap out of Iran on Good Friday? Did somebody just forget or what?
That was Bad Friday.
What does she do with the pickles?
Dave Latchaw @ 273
Tony Blair screwed it up, by not getting all Rambo’ed up and instead using . . . what’s the word? . . . diplomacy to get his sailors released.
Someone’s not going to get to go to Crawford for BBQ on Memorial Day . . .
Frank Probst @ 178
Ruh Roh. Where the hell do these whackos come up with this shit?
run, don’t walk, over to chez watertiger for the McCain market stroll series, starting near the Pandhandle.
Peterr @ 271
Helen @ 256
punaise @ 251
Peterr @ 249
lettuce beware of the margins
you’re so rye.
It’s the yeast I could do….
…rising to the occasion
OK – no kidding – I have only so much money for beer. It has all been spewed on the keyboard.
There’s an old Irish legend that says that when you die and come to St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he takes you by the heels, turns you upside down, and holds you headfirst inside a barrel full of all the alcohol you ever spilled in your life. If you drown, you go to hell.
Given the many similar keyboard experiences recounted by FDL commenters, I’m hoping some of the FDL lawyer-types will point out to St. Peter that the beer spewed onto one’s keyboard is not technically a spill, and thus ought not to be counted against the poor soul who forgot to set the beer down before hitting “refresh comments.”
I am Irish and have never heard that. Thank you. I will proceed appropriately.
margins fixed :)
Got to call it a night, everyone. See you later.
zig freed
g’nite Peterr
hasta next time, Peterr
I’m out too, gnight all!
Night, Peterr. For those still awake on the west coast, did you see this one on the Minnesota prosecutors?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..rneys.html
Sorry – that was me
Pentimenti @
105
I haven’t gotten all the way through, but the beginning is a hoot. The defendant’s lawyer had barely gotten to the podium before Judge Wood started serving up softball questions for him to knock out of the park.
punaise is on a roll.
I am toddling off to bed, too. G’night all.
Terry Olson @ 287
The second they say that she was of “south asian” descent and was a woman I’m gonna scream
The second they say that she was of “south asian” descent and was a woman I’m gonna scream
grab a pillow, helen, because that is exactly what they say in the NYT’s article.
Suzanne @ 293
And how do we counter this? I haven’t a clue.
They quickly descended into South Asian descent.
Terry Olson @ 287
thanks for the linky. The plot thickens.
mhpcr @
216
The Geneva Bible was heavily annotated with anti-Catholic editorial notes, and was the Fave with the Pilgrims. But I don’t remember who wrote the annotations. Here’s the first paragraph on it from the Wikipedia:
Here’s something from the same Wikipedia article on those annotations I referred to:
But we’re well into EPU territory, so who will read this?
Bob in HI
Why does the NYT say that three attorneys in the MN USA office resigned their administrative positions, but I read earlier tonight (sorry, no links) that four of them did that? Anybody know?
Feith is merely a factotum of Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld needs to be in the dock along side of Feith. And others.
They resigned their administrative positions as heads of their respective departments but did not resign from the agency.
Instead of being the head of the Criminal Division, for example, that person is now just a federal prosecutor.
I read it, Bob. Interesting.
“But we’re well into EPU territory, so who will read this?
Bob in HI”
In Late Nite, there is no EPU.
Someone will no doubt read it while sipping their morning coffee.
Oh they get real specific on race and gender…but
They don’t say she is another freaky fundie follower of Bushco.
neurophius @ 298
Three were former AUSA’s in the office who moved up to be in charge of specific crimes. The fourth was an high-level administrative person (not an attorney)
neurophius @ 298
I read four too.
Peterr @
243
punaise @ 221
TeddySanFran @ 227
lettuce beware of the margins
Correction: lettuce beware of the margarine.
Dang. I’m getting hungry.
Thanks for taking care of the zigg, Peterr.
Bob in HI
They start with this thread in the morning before CHS does her post. I love to go and check when I wake up to see who was here after I drift off………
Eureka Springs @ 303
In a way, the reports did. The assistant USAs said they were tired of her spouting Bible verses.
Eureka Springs @ 303
And a member of the Federalist Society.
JR Lentini @
204
Some baseball savant once said that in every season, you’re going to win 50 and lose 50, and it’s what you do with the other 62 that makes all the difference.
Problem is, you can’t be sure, ex ante, whether any particular game is one of the 62. But if we sweep, these three will feel like three of the 62.
Jose Reyes for President!
sorry for mis-reading your comment, neuro. You are right about the NYT saying 3. I remember 4 also. This Twin Cities site says 4.
Helen @ 304
Thanks, Helen. The earlier stories I read did not make that point clear.
montag @ 308
King James or Geneva??
I thought it was four in one office.
oh and thanks montag.
The evangelical church I used to attend used the New International Version.
I don’t understand why every headline in every paper in these United States isn’t screaming about the fact that Feith cooked intelligence for Bush/Cheney to get us into this war that had been planned before 9/11. What is going on?
I grew up with the KJV, and later on the NIV came about. I’ve read both, not really all that impressed with the storytelling. I was more interested in the mythos than the so called ‘truth’ of the religion.
*yawns* i should be wandering off to bed. Been a LONG day for me.
lolo @ 313
Virginia Beach, VA….
Terry Olson @ 316
Bill and Geraldo having a catfight…….no ANS till next week when the hearings start. Oh and Nancy’s scarf.
Terry Olson @ 316
Haven’t we really known that for quite a while? The only difference is that now the government is admitting it.
Feith is old news. What people want to know now is, will Sanjayah be voted in or out next week?
lolo @ 319
What lolo says
Bob Schacht @ 297
But we’re well into EPU territory, so who will read this?
Bob in HI
Just home from work. Gave a recital this evening at UAA in Anchorage – The UAA Trombone Trio, as an ending set of notes to International Trombone Week. We kicked some serious butt, though we sorta looked like Johnny Cash wannabes in our black attire.
What a week! Monica II resigns, the DOJ continues to implode, wingnuts want the UK’s
soldiers, uh marines and sailors to fight to the death or take cyanide, Nancy Pelosi – in emulation of Condi Rice and Laura Bush – wears a scarf at Middle East appearances, BillO goes even more bonkers. And guess what – I could go on for three thousand more words on rightwing train wrecks since LAST Friday. Without getting into details. I’m happy to call this GOOD FRIDAY!mhpcr @ 322
Bob Schacht @ 297
But we’re well into EPU territory, so who will read this?
Bob in HI
I did.
Ed*ard Teller @ 323
You didn’t miss a beat. Good Friday before Wingnut Hell Week of hearings.
I think pentagon reports verifying the lies led us to war meme..should be huge news!! So much of the populace doesn’t know the story.. It should be the greatest outrage in our country’s history. Where is the outrage?
nite shift FDLers, Bob.
and the early Lake songbird coffee gang, too.
Good evening, Ed*ard.
Good Friday, indeed.
Eureka Springs @ 326
Residing next to the outrage four years after the Gulf of Tonkin resolution….
Warped history begets warped assessments of the current situation….
lolo @ 325
Cept we don’t know if, say, Susan Ralston showed up yesterday. This week was important. It was ust not public.
Eureka Springs @ 326
I can hardly wait for the primary debates. I hope they make the GOP choke on all their atrocities. pass the popcorn por favor
Eureka Springs @ 326
X-TRA, X-TRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT!
Really wished we could of made it to the state fair in Palmer last Sept to hear you play ET. We drove up to Denali and did not get back to Anchorage until late.
Tonight a bunch of us got together and made John Edwards 08 buttons to hand out at events. Fun Girls night out!
Helen @ 330
We will know soon enough. I trust Conyers and Waxman oh and Leheeeeeeeeeeeee
Good point montag… sorry I was born in ‘65.
lolo at 334 – MEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOO.
neurophius @ 328
I suggested here Friday afternoon that we find a firedoggie to interview Georgia Thompson, the Wisconson state worker who was framed by a corrupt US Attorney and sentenced by a wingnut judge for – being a Democrat. She’s been released, and may have some things to talk about, ’cause what she DIDN’T do for a Dem was the stuff she saw done for the Wisconsin GOP for over ten years.
ET – Is Marcy in Wisconsin or MN? I know she will be interviewed on public television show about all of this in the morning. (she mentioned it in an earlier thread this afternoon)
Ed*ard Teller @ 337
I wonder if she would come and talk to us about her plight.
montag @ 329
But here we go again about how history repeats itself. Most Americans not only do not know history – they do not know what is going on right now
Josh Marshall at TPM has a story from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune about how the DOJ is sending a high-ranking babysitter from DC out to Minnesota to hold USA Rachel Palouse’s hand as her office descends into chaos after three administrators take demotions to protest Palouse’s management of the office.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
Helen @ 340
Hey, not my fault no one’s paying attention. Besides, Mark Twain said, “history doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme….
Eureka Springs @
338
She’s in Michigan. Being Dreamy!
Eureka Springs @ 338
When I brought it up, Marcy was who I mentioned. Local knowledge always counts, bigtime. She’s so busy, but this strikes right at the heart of how bad the DOJ corruption is. Marcy knows a publisher – Thompson knows enough about GOP state and Fed corruption to fill a book. What a friggin’ match!
Jacqrat @ 343
I love her too Jaqrat. She is such a special spirit and so smart. She takes after her sister ya know…just sayin..
Last Saturday I had the pleasure of meeting Scott Ritter where a local Democratic District hosted a speaking event. I was a guest of one of the executive committee and attended a buffet before the event. Both Scott and I were surprised to find that he served with the best man at my wedding, both stationed in Turkey when I was in Greece.
What an interesting speaker, if you ever get a chance, go hear him. The window for war with Iran is from April to June. He felt that the British sailor issue was not the issue that would instigate the war. He felt BushCo would just start bombing and then announce some bogus reason. Scott Ritter called Cheney a Traitor for the Valerie Plame-Wilson issue alone.
Ed*ard Teller @
323
Plus, it looks like the first of the predicted War-on-Iran days has passed without incident. Small favors.
Hey – here’s Americans’ outrage – WHAT – my taxes are WHAT? And by the way – where’s my social security?
katymine @ 346
Scott Ritter: True Patriot
time for my midnite snack…
time for my midnite snack…
The last words heard by TRex’s modem.
Suzanne @ 351
[laughing]
neurophius @
341
Good Stuff.
Teddy, Scott Ritter said that we are at risk until the end of June. He is quite serious and was contacted by the administration to quite down Iraq right after the 2004 election so that they could press on to Iran. He state his recommendation was removal of American troops since 80% of the reason that there is violence in Iraq is due to the American presence.
We are still at serious risk and will be for the next few months. There are now 4 carrier groups in the region, two in the straights, one in the gulf and one that can reach the region in 7 days. There are bombers on two islands ready to go, they have negotiated flight airspace from eastern Europe.
hi katymine — is Edwards your guy or are you just making buttons?
TeddySanFran @ 347
I’m hoping we’re on a roll here.
Can Bush just, like, bomb Iran? Without Congressional approval?
Karzai tries diplomacy — talking to the Taliban.
Hi Teddy, I am still dating but Edwards speaks to much of what I believe in. He has some pretty detailed position papers out on his website which have detail and substance.
I also met Bill Richardson two weeks ago, not just to shake hands but at a private event where we could talk. What I am is looking for substance. I do not want to work my ass off for two years against something. I want to work FOR something. My favorite would be Gore & Howard Dean but we can’t always have what we wish for.
Terry Olson @ 357
Legally, no. (Sort of. He can attack another country under the War Powers Act without notification to Congress, but he has to substantiate his actions in writing within 60 or 90 days, I believe.)
By his estimation, yes.
katymine @ 359
That’s about where I am — well, no I think John and I are engaged to be engaged. I think he is swell. This obscene amount of money in the race has me very discouraged, though. I only hope that much of hers is being spent very unwisely — apparently HillCo’s team learned to do that very well in NY last year.
This has been great, folks, but I must toddle off to bed now.
g’nite, sweet ‘pups. Thanks for all your kind words earlier.
Night, Teddy.
TeddySanFran @ 361
Hmm, Kucinich is most progressives’ dream, in terms of the issues, but he can’t win. Is that why everyone has abandoned him, even this early in the process?
TSF – yea, I bet quite a few palms were greased.
In the 1930s, German Nazis, who were Christians, purged all the Jews from the German news media, as one of the first steps taken by the German Nazis in pursuit of their utterly evil “Final Solution.”
In first Russia and then the Soviet Union, the Bolsheviks, then Stalinists, then Communists purged any dissenting voice from their state-controlled news media. Mao did the same thing in Red China.
In one religious dictatorship after another, that have also stunk up the world, dissenters in whatever passes for a news media have been purged, punished and even killed.
Besides these societies being ruled by a bunch of killers, what else do they have in common? None of them would ever allow a Fairness Doctrine to interfere with their authoritarian control over news “sound bites.”
So, some utterly evil Republicans hatched a scheme 20 to 30 years ago which included getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine in America.
(Starting with Ronald Reagan). Fairness Doctrine destroyed? Check. Destroy democratic mechanisms in place to thwart media consolidation and monopolization? Check. Republican individuals and consortiums start buying up as many radio, television and newspaper outlets as possible? Check. Rupert Murdoch, a non-American, gets a waiver so he can buy Fox News? Check. Republicans establish “weekend” journalism schools to “graduate” news reporters like Jeff Gannon/Jim Guckert? Check. After buying up as many radio, television and newspaper outlets as possible, Republican neo-Nazis “plant” as many “true believer” Republicans as possible in key positions to act as news filters? Check.
Anyone controlling the “sound bites” or the written word in any society controls the news flow.
This opens the door, as in the case of the nefarious Republicans, to make it possible for them to “plant” Republican-appointed “loyal Bushie” U.S. Attorneys in place who will direct the “news flow” against Democrats by initiating or announcing investigations or indictments brought against Democrats according to an electoral timetable, even though many of these investigations or indictments against Democrats have turned out later to have been completely spurious.
Think of what the utterly evil Rovian Republicans have been doing as orchestrated “swift-boating,” but on a nationwide scale…similar to what the German Nazis did to the Jews, similar to what Vladimir Putin and his oligarch pals are currently doing in Russia, similar to what fanatical religious leaders do to the “infidels” all the time, with the orchestrated “swift-boating” ultimately leading to people being killed.
Therefore, the Fairness Doctrine MUST be re-instated, if only for the sake of our nation’s children. And anyone against this simple democratic Fairness principle in America is a neo-Nazi at heart, or a neo-Communist, or a neo-Taliban/Al Qaeda sympathizer. Is this making it perfectly clear enough for everyone?
Ok, I will be more honest, I am part of the local campaign here in AZ. We had a house party three weeks ago and formed a committee with officers and meetings to be the volunteer Edwards campaign on the ground.
Ritter Youtubes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c5k3yLSQQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jT4cGkld8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS_w10KQ7O8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6l_UFBpWM
montag – I am planning on making a contribution to Kucinich next week (and Edwards). I want his voice (at least) in the ring a little longer. We need it.
Reading at fdl early today, a few people suggested Rosie O’Donnell as a possible replacement for Mark Shields on CPB’s News Hour Friday TV discussion between a conservative and a liberal. Many feel Shields is wan compared to Brooks’s energy.
Thinking about that later, I realized firedoglake stays very aloof from the questions around the authenticity of the accepted 9/11 narrative. I’m agnostic insofar as I have no suggested alternative plots past my gut feeling we’re being lied to bigtime on every level. Anybody feel it is time for a fdl 9/11 update?
TeddySanFran @ 358
Imagine my shock……talking to terrorists????
An ET update? yes.
Eureka Springs @ 368
I listen to talk, but, I pay attention to votes–those count, and talk does not.
This bothers me.
Ed*ard Teller @ 369
agnostic too, however, WTC7 footage is true shock. In no way has evidence been fully explored nor questions fully vetted. Don’t know if there’s ever any really getting to the bottom of it, either. gut check says serious nefarious unconscionable fuckery at work.
montag – yessir, me too. He has Hillary’s war record for the most part with the exception of an apology for it now.
Please understand of all candidtes with a hat in the ring, Kucinich is my guy.
so Katymine’s dating but not quite petting the Edwards camp? Of the announced candidates, he’s getting my attention more and more, Katymine.
Suze – you have an incoming.:)
TribeScribe @
327
Thanks, everyone! Check out half the threads, especially anything doing with the Libby trial or the Congressional investigations, and chances are you’ll find me at the bottom of the list of comments. Here in Hawaii, I’m just getting to stuff after most Firepups have gone to bed. Its nice to know there’s a place I can drop in that hasn’t closed for the night.
Aloha, y’all!
Bob in HI
ET – I’m ambivalent. I don’t know and I don’t trust this Administration to even try to find the truth about 9/11.
And, it is a question of energies. We are practically at the Bush Scandal of the Hour. Hugh’s list is over, what, 100 scandals. Where are our energies best directed and where are they most efficient?
So, mixed feelings here.
katymine @ 367
Congratulations and the best of luck. They are so lucky to have you. thanks for the tubes….
Eureka Springs @ 374
It is a shame that Kucinich gets no press. It’s all about the money-raising horserace, I think.
Short, weird guy with positions that pretty much match those of the public, but, still, no traction.
Says a lot about politics/press/public perceptions, these days, doesn’t it?
lolo @ 379
Congratulations and the best of luck. They are so lucky to have you. thanks for the tubes….
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Lucky indeed – I love Edwards but am not ready to accept any substitutes over President Gore at this stage. And what a quality VP Edwards would be in a Gore event.
Quote from Edwards on Iraq heard on conference call -
Q: What is your solution for the Iraq War?
A: We need to get the “Hell” out of Iraq … (not in 1 year…. not in xx amount of time but) NOW.
Ed*ard Teller @ 369
I leave that up to the leaders of the lake. I have no problem addressing the ‘dog that didn’t bark’ we need to choose our battles, The truth is screaming to come out. It is out.
lolo
Suzanne @ 378
and will soon have many more. I’m ambivalent, too, as the thought of throwing out the official narrative puts most people on the edge of a very scary precipice. OTOH, they have lied about everything else.
Ed*ard Teller @
369
Oh, man. That’s just too scary to even contemplate. Please contemplate for me.
Ed*ard Teller @
369
I would love to see a serious review of David Ray Griffin’s book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. He raises some good points, and I’d like to see a critical evaluation.
Bob in HI
katymine @ 382
Why wasn’t he saying that four years ago? The evidence against this manufactured war was just as compelling then as it is now.
I’m not running for president, but I figured that out then. Why didn’t Edwards?
That’s what rags me so badly about most of the people running today–they waited for public opinion. In the meantime, untold horrors have already occurred.
I can’t think well of that.
newtonusr @
188
Shakespeare also made thousands of allusions and references to about a hundred different Latin and Greek authors
http://www.unibas.ch/shine/linkssourceslatin.html
…not to mention dozens of historical references to British sources. And these make reference to yet other references.To argue that explaining the meaning of a metaphor requires a complete elucidation of Scripture is absurd. Saying that “Caesar has met his Rubicon” only requires saying that he has reached “a point of no return”. Biblical references like “a thorn in his side” can simply be explained without reference to complete scriptural tales. In fact many Christians have only the sparcist knowledge of the actual complete tales in the Scripture, their earlier sourcing (Gilgamesh for the Mosaic deluge), and the symbolic underpinning of the tales. These are appropriate in comparative religion and mythology classes.
Hey… if we were going for the Dream Team… that is different…..but I refuse to work my ass off, give up vacation time, sleep, family time and just nearly kill myself (like with Kerry) for a candidate that people are going to vote for only because they are voting against Bush or something.
I want to vote FOR something. I am not seeing it in anyone else but Edwards. If Gore threw his had in, boy I would be there working my self to the death to make it happen this time.
So far listening to the Ritter YouTubes, very much what he spoke about while he was here in AZ.
montag – It says everything. I have been amazed at the lack of attention he gets even on left blogs… it shocks me.
katymine @ 382
Now see, that’s where I am.
Katymine,
Scott Ritter wrote War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn’t Want You to Know. I bought it in November, 2002 at the local Fred Meyer. It was the best book about the actual state of WMDs in Iraq before the war. At the same time it came out, every media channel, even NPR, who cancelled a TOTN interview with him in January, 2003, was sliming him.
Ed*ard Teller @ 392
Decades coalescing? 2002, maybe? :)
Cheers.
Terry Olson @
229
he did until he didn’t. what he said at the end (same old fuckery ….)
montag @ 393
wrong end of the wrong war. refresh – I fixed it – 2002.
Media alert! Internet Radio:
MyDD Radio Wants to Hear From You (and You To Hear Us), by Adam Conner, Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:09:41 PM HST
I nominate Jane, Christy & Pach for a regular spot!
Bob in HI
montag @ 387
I agree with you totally, except that Colin Powell came out with his schtick. He made me wonder.
Of these 3, what’s the winningest combo?
Gore/Obama
Gore/Edwards
Gore/Feingold
TribeScribe @ 398
Gore/Tester! – they all live east of the Mississippi.
Ok, my issue with Kucinich is his previous stand on women issues.
Yes Edward will NOT come out and advocate for gay marriage but at least he is willing to discuss why and that he is struggling with the issue.
It is just like a spouse, what are the top 10 issues that you HAVE to agree to and what are those that can slide?
The problem with studing the bible is well the Catholic Pope my religon says that the Catholic Church IS the one True Way I hear some Protestants feel the same way. Now Imagine a Protestant kid taught in a majority Catholic Public School never mind how Muslim or Jewish kids would feel and they would feel worst. I have no problem with teaching the Bible I just don’t trust the government to protect minority views in the public schools. Ethics teaching and a worlds religon class would be good but somehow I think the Right just wants to indocrinate kids with one truth. Conservatives love one truth they love unity of belief because everyone agrees then to conform and nobody is differnt which is a good thing in their minds, its also boring. America is all about accepting that were all differnt and we all HAVE TO TRY AND GET ALONG. I’m so tired of TV preachers trying to scare people with hell because they don’t believe EXACTLY what they do!
OMG… Gore/Tester… that is MY Dream Team!
Terry Olson @ 397
I didn’t wonder. I knew his reputation then–and he wasn’t to be trusted, loyal soldier to authority that he was. Every time he pulled out a goddamned watercolored illustration (e.g., the portable bioweapons labs), I knew he was lying (because, otherwise, there would be photos). The little vial of something that was supposed to anthrax….
These people were lying from the get-go, and every bit of evidence they produced had holes in it one could drive a supertanker through.
Powell’s speech was not evidence of truth, but evidence of deceit, and anyone looking at it dispassionately–rather than reading the idiocy in the WaPo about it–could have figured it out.
Sorry, no dice. It was a put-up job long before Powell did his Uncle Tom routine at the Security Council.
Long before the October, 2002, vote in Congress, the intent of the Bushies was clear. I figured it out before Sept., 2002. These people running for president are supposed to be smarter and better than me. Wot gives, then?
Feingold/Kucinich
g’nite pups
TribeScribe @ 398
Gore isn’t running. Said so.
Feingold isn’t running. Said so.
So, you’re left with Edwards/Obama, or Obama/Edwards.
winningest isn’t runningest 20 months before a general election, dear montag.
katymine @ 400
Women’s issues? Only one. Abortion, and Kucinich was clear that his personal feelings wouldn’t interfere with existing rulings.
That caused some mistrust, yes. But, honestly, do you think he would try to overturn Roe v. Wade were he to be president? Would he try to appoint judges such as Roberts and Alito if elected?
Somehow, I think not.
Ed*ard Teller @ 405
Hope springs eternal, eh? :)
I think they’ve both said their piece on the subject.
408 comments? Man, everybody must be on vacation!
montag @ 408
We’ve got more to hope for than we can imagine. later, doggies.
this is my two cents worth… but I think there could be dire consequences with this accelerated campaign season. We could be stuck with a candidate which might disintegrate and cannot use any money until the Democratic National Convention.
Ok, my issue on Kucinich is personal gut feeling. When you have met the candidate, spoke with them, it just me. I cannot support him.
katymine @ 410
This begs the question. Why?
Gut feelings may count, but, if you’ve met him and talked to him, you have an obligation to explain, in the most rational way possible.
montag @ 412
He passed a bill about weaponizing the weather.
How did Judy get back at the Times? I thought she was on vacation until her book was done? Which should be a good laugh but shouldn’t Judy at the very least give back her Pulitzer. Before she writes for the Times again I mean one source her white house leaks, no independent confiriming sources oh and even after it was obvious she got lied to she keeps defending her story. Shouldn’t she have to say she is sorry for starting a war based on lies before the Times takes her back?
lolo @ 412
Passed? All by himself?
What bill? Citation, please.
things come undone @ 414
she didn’t write the article look at the link
It is hard to explain. He did not inspire me, there was not that feeling that I wanted to devote the next two years of my life to make sure he was President.
I appreciate his strong anti-war stand. I appreciate and belong to PDA which grew out of his campaign. There has to be more than the war. It has to based on a lot of issues and so far Edwards speaks to those issues.
things come undone @
414
My thoughts too. Hello?
montag @ 415
right before katrina. let me get my tinfoil hat. It passed October before Katrina…. HR…ANYONE HAVE THE LINK FOR LOOKING UP BILLS
montag @ 415
How do the warmongers plan on controling the weather please let this be like starwars. The last thing I want is for bushie to have a finger on a button for the weather. The unintended consequences of controling the weather in one place would unleash Chaos Effect Hell everywhere else!
Kucinich cannot win. Let’s not put any more of our hard earned dollars there.
lolo @
416
Sorry I should have looked at the link
goodnight all you cool kids – as always a pleasure to hang out with ya – night or day.
fwiw – I greatly admire Kucinich but alas, not unlike Hillary, I don’t think he is electable to the office in this new cycle. He would make an excellent choice for a cabinet position, i.e. Department of Peace as he called one of his dreams for our future.
Senate bill 517 [109th] perhaps?
Weather Modification Research and Development Policy ??
Imus’ apology on “Nappy headed Ho’s”. Too sad for MSNBC.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02231.html
katymine @ 416
We’re supposed to be people responsive to the issue details, and “hard to explain” doesn’t cut it, for me.
Sorry, but if there’s something creepy in his background, something solid, I’m willing to entertain it for consideration.
But, Edwards was, like a lot of Dems, happy to vote for this war before he was against it, and he’s not the kind of guy to go nose-to-nose with the Pentagon. That’s a big part of the problem with virtually all of the candidates today. They’re afraid of Israel (Edwards and Clinton were anxious to please in that regard) and afraid of cutting “defense” spending (as a majority of the public in poll after recent poll want done), and I get the feeling that Edwards is fluff on these and other substantive issues.
Democrats who won’t take firm stands on the issues before they become unmanageable disasters are just camp-followers, to my mind.
That, by definition, does not make them leaders.
Maybe they might have expressed themselves differently in another media environment, but, that makes them suspect, too–unwilling to buck the mainstream for what they think is right.
Edwards is a smooth guy, but, he hasn’t been fighting this war from the get-go, and he’s been voting, for the most part, to continue it.
That tells me he’s going to do not what is right, but what is expedient. It’s time for that to stop. Beyond that, he’s a DLC member and that’s anathema to me. Kiss big business’s ass and kiss the people goodbye. There’s already one party looking after big business’s interests. We don’t need two.
Cheers.
TribeScribe @ 423
Kucinich is in the House. ???
montag @
426
Edwards isn’t voting anything. He’s no longer in the Senate.
Ok, folks, that’s it for me tonight. G’nite all.
Terry Olson @ 427
Sorry, that strikes me as an attempt to trivialize his previous votes, and it insults my intelligence, just a little bit. I know he’s not in the Senate now.
montag @ 430
I totally understand your frustration, Montag. This war is total fuckery. But it doesn’t lie with John Edwards, no matter his vote. It lies with Bush/Cheney, et. al.
At least John has come out to say that his vote was a mistake based on the information he had at the time. How many others have, dem or rep?
Mornin’.
Kucinich HR 2977 [107th] bill & gutted redraft HR 3616 are here and here
These are anti-weapon.
Only SB 517 turned up re: weather.
Mornin, EG, whatcha know about Kucinich and weaponizing weather?
egregious @ 432
Morning?
http://www.fromthewilderness.c…..08oZhmZ8::
rp.html
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/…..08oZhmZ8::
I am back and out of breath here are some info still looking
lolo
TribeScribe @ 433
thanks!
Terry Olson @ 430
Not many. Most of those who have made the same excuse are running now….
I’m not frustrated. I’m angry that we’re still, at this juncture, hoping to bring candidates to the forum who look good, smell good, are well-coiffed and well-dressed, are photogenic, and mouth platitudes instead of taking simple, direct stands on the issues, and that issues don’t really matter these days.
We’ve become a society dependent upon superficialities, and our most important decisions in life are based on superficialities, rather than the issues that determine our futures.
You say the war doesn’t lie with Edwards. It lies with him and everyone like him who voted for it. Period. Yes, Bush wanted it. It was up to the people’s representatives to stop him, and they did not, for wholly political reasons. That much is more than evident today. Edwards could have said no, on the good evidence available. He, like others, did not. They voted for it because they didn’t dare not to.
More’s the pity.
Terry Olson @
434
Morning over here, boss! (shakes clouds to see if sun about to appear)
things come undone @ 420
You mean bathtub genocide???
montag @ 426
For some reason Kucinich doesn’t even get an israel-factor rating from Haaretz. Of the rest, Obama has made the greatest strides in the past month moving up from a rating of 3.88 to 5.13 on a ten-point scale because of his speech to the recent A*PAC convention, of which the Chicago Tribune said:
Chuck Hagel, on the other hand, dropped from 4.13 to 3.75 becasue:
Agreed, Montag. There was definetly chickenshittery involved.
Morning lolo.
Terry Olson @ 440
Therein lies my anger (and maybe, my frustration). Why are we promoting that chickenshittery in presidential elections? Why can’t we, in a nation of 300 million, find someone who can be persuasive to the public without triangulation, without prevarication, without endlessly calculating the odds on every issue with regard to election, rather than truth?
I don’t know the answer, and I don’t know the best candidate in that regard. But, I’m a little tired of the status quo, such as it is these days. *sigh*
Terry Olson @ 442
We are terrible, I hate missing pull up a chair. They are going to be shocked at all these links in the morning. hahaha
montag @
387
Russ Feingold didn’t wait. He’s not waiting now, either.
montag @ 442
I guess because the nation of 300 million would rather watch American Idol with a Big Mac in hand.
fahrender @ 444
Despite the hopes of many, he’s said he isn’t running for President. So, in regard to who’s running, he doesn’t count.
Hope he continues to do good things in his present position, though.
commondreams
What kind of Fuckery is this?
businessweek