
Friday's WaPo story debunks again the WH claimed link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein:
Captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides "all confirmed" that Hussein's regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a declassified Defense Department report released yesterday. The declassified version of the report, by acting Inspector General Thomas F. Gimble, also contains new details about the intelligence community's prewar consensus that the Iraqi government and al-Qaeda figures had only limited contacts, and about its judgments that reports of deeper links were based on dubious or unconfirmed information. The report had been released in summary form in February.
The report's release came on the same day that Vice President Cheney, appearing on Rush Limbaugh's radio program, repeated his allegation that al-Qaeda was operating inside Iraq "before we ever launched" the war, under the direction of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the terrorist killed last June.
"This is al-Qaeda operating in Iraq," Cheney told Limbaugh's listeners about Zarqawi, who he said had "led the charge for Iraq." Cheney cited the alleged history to illustrate his argument that withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq would "play right into the hands of al-Qaeda."
On the surface it looks like just another example of Dick Cheney being in denial about the fact that there never was any operational link, alliance or cooperation between al Qaeda and Iraq's Saddam Hussein. That link had been a persistent Cheney claim, one manufactured from whole cloth by Doug Feith's rump "intelligence" factory at the Pentagon, and one of the two major pillars — along with the completely fraudulent claims that Iraq was seeking to purchase yellowcake from Niger — of the misrepresentation that the Bush/Cheney regime used to mislead the country into the Iraq invasion and occupation.
The lie and its origins have long been discredited by reputable sources, including the 9/11 Commission and the Pentagon's own Inspector General, but Cheney and friends kept repeating it, as though the truth didn't matter. And in their world, it didn't.
Still, when you hear Cheney repeating the lie, and on the same day that the Pentagon's acting Inspector General releases the unclassified version of his own report that debunks the lie again, you have to wonder what Cheney was thinking. Does he not care about his own credibility or that of the regime he serves? Was it just coincidence or bad karma that Cheney got caught by this morning's WaPo story, a story the blogs would immediately jump on so fast that even the traditional media would realize and report the disconnect? I don't think so.
Lies tend to have a half life that extends well beyond the point where rational people realize they're not true. And this particular lie has been highly valuable to the Administration, because it allowed them to conflate their invasion of Iraq and anti-terrorism efforts and keep those notions linked in the public's mind.
Moreover, in Cheney's case, I suspect he had advance knowledge that the WaPo would be publishing today's story — indeed, I think it would be normal for the WaPo to have called Cheney's office in advance for a response. If that's true, then when Dick Cheney went on Russ Limbaugh this a.m. to repeat the lie, he already knew that the WaPo story debunking his claim yet again would be out there for everyone to see — everyone, that is, except the wingnuts who would be listening to Rush Limbaugh. And that, I suspect, was the point.
You see, Dick Cheney may no longer care what the WaPo reports, or what most Americans think; and he certainly doesn't care that you and I concluded long ago that the man is a congenital liar. He only cares what the 30 percenters believe and what they and their ilk will carry into the next generation of rightwingers' memory banks.
This is all about framing the narrative for the next round, and all that's necessary to keep the cause alive for the next round — and there will always be a next round — is to have enough of them believe what Cheney wants them to believe. And that's why he chose Rush Limbaugh this morning to continue his lie.



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Great Post Scarecrow!!
I think we can all safely say that we know more about lizard brain psychology thanks to Shooter, Rush and the 30 percenters than we did, say, 20 years ago. A large section of the population just standing there screaming “please, lie to me” — who woulda thunk?
I think Cheney is trying to hold on to the last of his Kool-aid drinkers. This is something only a Limpballs would go for.
I think you’re absolutely right, Scarecrow. We have to remember that he’s one of the ghouls resurrected from the Nixon putsch. He knows there will always be a base of brownshirts to lead.
I noticed a new frame the 30% have been circulating lately.
Gingrouch on Speaker Pelosi:
“I don’t understand why, as Speaker of the House, she would be going to see a dictator in Damascus when the White House has publicly asked her not to go there. I think it’s very dangerous for America to start having 535 secretaries of state and 535 secretaries of defense, all of whom happen to be elected to the U.S. Congress, none of whom were appointed to those jobs.”
Back in the days of the “revolution” Puss Limpbaugh and Newton Leroy Gingrich talked about the irrelevency of the presidency.
Funny how these things change.
Kind of like how the term limit crowd suddenly embraced the advantages of incumbency 12 years later.
-GSD
OMG – Scarecrow’s on fire!
What I most want to know is:
Should I add HBO to my cable for the last 9 Sopranos episodes?
Anyone who doesn’t think so please don’t respond.
Now why would we expect that Cheney would pay any attention to reports from his administration? He’s taking a page from both the ComPost and WSJ editorial pages when they publish editorials that are directly contradicted by the news stories on their front pages. Reality? What an unreal concept! Especially in Shooter’s half baked mind. Anyone know what drugs he takes for his non-existent heart?
Balrog @
7
Comcast is offering HBO free this Sunday for the first episode so ask me on Monday.
Run Dick Run!
A nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you!
Rumsfeld would make a fine running mate.
AZ Matt @ 3
Yep. My thought too. Cheney’s always had the job of throwing out the red meat to the bottom 30%.
Wolfowitz, a guy who can get his girlffriend a huge raise, helped get this crap going:
Pentagon probe fills in blanks on Iraq war groundwork
LA Times
Balrog @ 7
Sure.
Can I come over and watch it with you?
He seems to think that being elected is less important than being appointed. Or did he mean annointed?
But let’s keep ‘em! Heaven forbid that Congress would consider impeaching these lying, sorry arses! You know dick’s lyin when his lips are movin. What an example we provide to our international neighbors and our children. No consequences even if you get caught lying; just keep lying! Yeah; makes me proud all over. Not.
Jane Hamsher @ 9
Jane, no wonder you are my hero.
GSD @
5
Ah, the Newt. Glenn Greenwald did a post on Gingrich’s visit to China back in the old days — when he was Speaker.
cleter @ 13
I lift my light beside the whatever that is. All are welcome!
GSD @ 5
If one were to check, one would surely find that Gingrich never, ever, ever made any kind of trip that could be construed has having a diplomatic purpose in his whole Congressional career…right?
AZ Matt@12
I’ve been wondering & wondering what kind of chaos Wolfowitz is wreaking at WB, but that’s the first story I’ve seen. Gossip is great but I want substance too.
Even wizards? Did you and that wizard ever bury the hatchet?
Froomkin on Cheney today….
Cheney Sticks to His Delusions
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Friday, April 6, 2007; 1:20 PM
Faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, even President Bush has backed off his earlier inflammatory assertions about links between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.
But Vice President Cheney yesterday, in an interview with right-wing talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, continued to stick to his delusional guns.
snip
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01116.html
from today’s wapo politics chat:
(bold mine)
so.
Hey Evil Dr Puma
Are you going to SAA in Austin?
Newton Leroy Gingrich is one of my all time favorite heels.
He is smart and he is a true believer and he believes in propaganda all the time. Everything, most, everything he says is crafted for maximum political punch.
You listen to him and he almost sounds reasonable.
Luckily he’s as charming as Quasimodo.
-GSD
tes has to get rid of these Kool-aid drinkers in Defense. Again frin the LA Times:
:
AZ Matt @ 12
In Andrew Cockburn’s book on Rumsfeld — Sunday’s Book Salon — there’s an anecdote involving Wolfo et al, and when they couldn’t find evidence of a secret new Soviet sub, they concluded that the lack of evidence was proof that it must exist, and the Soviets were even better at concealing then we feared!
Please run, Newt. I want to watch Newt go all incendiary on J. Sidney McCain III and Adolph Guiliani.
Although it echoes my sentiments, reading your last paragraph still sent a chill down my spine.
All I have to say to Cheney is this…You are a liar and quite possibly a TRAITOR for endangering the national security of this country by repeatedly neglecting to carry out attacks against known terrorists and sworn enemies of this country with the sole purpose of building an otherwise fraudulent case to launch an illegal war of aggression.
Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601
But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger.
The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council.
‘People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of pre-emption against terrorists.’
— Roger Cressey
Terrorism expert
“Here we had targets, we had opportunities, we had a country willing to support casualties, or risk casualties after 9/11 and we still didn’t do it,” said Michael O’Hanlon, military analyst with the Brookings Institution.
The Pentagon drew up a second strike plan, and the White House again killed it. By then the administration had set its course for war with Iraq.
“People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.
The Pentagon drew up still another attack plan, and for the third time, the National Security Council killed it.
Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawi’s operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.
eCAHNomics @ 20
Here you go:
LINK
Run, Dick, run. Your ticker’s tape parade awaits.
These guys never change and never learn. With Cheney, I think it is a question of paranoid delusion. It is in the nature of a delusion that even when recognized by the person who holds it, it will continued to be held and is essentially resistant to reason.
Some people believe in black helicopters. Cheney believes in al Qaeda. I wouldn’t be surprised if he looked under his bed each night just to make sure no al Qaeda operatives were lurking there.
To those in the fact based community, Cheney’s repeated assertions appear irrational. Well, they are. This doesn’t mean he’s psychotic, but there is definitely pathology at work. Cheney may be fighting his battles over and over in some imaginary Alamo or he may be framing the story for its future return.
In either case, the facts and the access to them through the internet will remain. He will lie. We will debunk. When his successors bring them up again, we will still be here waiting with the facts. That’s just the way it is.
So, I’m over @ SFGate reading Carla Marinucci, and, well, read for yourself …
Hold on, it gets interesting … now
The prediction
Jane Hamsher @
2
Frankly, I’d always looked at the extreme religious right in those terms, but back then, I always thought there was a moderate wing of the Republican Party that held that in check — while cynically courting their votes. They forgot, “Be careful what you ask for.”
there strategy is thus’
“say it as if everyone knows it, say it with the same conviction and authority as saying “water is wet”
“repeat often as long as nobody knows it’s a lie”
“repeat it more often and with more authority when people start realizing it’s a lie to make it seem like everyone else is lying”
“once everyone knows it’s a lie, repeat it with the same authority as “water is wet and repeat it like everyone else is batty to think otherwise”
there you have it
AZ Matt
By asking for substance, I mean what countries has he screwed by loans with outrageous conditions, has professional WB staff fled because of his internal changes, etc. Inquiring minds want to know.
Balrog @
7
HBO is worth paying for.
IMHO.
Wow Cheney knows the truth and continues to spread the lies, who’d a thunk it? They DO think we’re ignorant, we are not, let them know it!!!!
eCAHNomics @ 36
Might take longer to figure out but I suspect he is moving Bank policy to reflect neo-con ideology.
To be sure. But what are the specifics? It’s amazing that there’ve been no stories. Anyone at fdl have any contacts at World Bank?
The bottom line impression here is that Cheney can talk the President into widening the war in the Middle East.
Jane Hamsher @ 2
that’s how I will respond to the wing nuts in the future jane…excellant, I will begin with;
do you stand in line and yell to your puppeteers..PLEASE LIE TO ME?
and I will go on and expose their lies from there…very nice
Murray Waas had a post over at HuffPo on the Wolfowitz in love story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-waas/
angie @
23
You know they’re all just dying to call him “Dead Eye.”
All I can say is that it’s a good thing that the freepers and the dittoheads aren’t big on history, or serious writing–otherwise, they’d be rewriting it right now.
you betcha Jane!
you know, if they think they can run cheney for president they must think they still control the electronic voting machines
Cheney likes to give the impression that he has”insider knowledge” about international affairs and he knows what the best course of action is.
Scarecrow @
35
Back then they were all focused on Freemasons, black helicopters and fluoridated water and they largely stayed out of politics. We didn’t know they were aching to be deceived, we just thought they were stupid.
Cheney lies, but Republicans condone his lies by their silence. They seeem to feel that there will be no consequences. I hope they will have a big price to pay.
Madeleine Albright on KO. He claims he’s going to get her to talk about current diplomacy. I’ve heard her on this subject a couple of days ago on wnyc. She’s blunt but smooth.
squirrel hiller @ 49
you’ve hit the nail on the head…that’s his entire persona…act as if he has information that makes him right and everyone else wrong
this trick worked for a while, but since feingold went on the TEEvee and said “cheney has been wrong on every claim he’s made”…all anyone else that wants a bump in popuolarity has to do is calll cheney a liar
KO leads with the “crappy intelligence” story. The USA story is #2. And he’s apparently going to close with a “super” Worst Person in the World, featuring a screaming match between BillO & Geraldo. What a night!!!
KO’s got the MI USA four story
Badwater @ 51
the wingnuts aren’t condoning his lies they will believe with no doubt anything he says
what current diplomacy, eCAHNomics– did I miss something??
Oooh, KO is going to have a great show tonight.
And our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to so thoroughly discredit and humiliate these people that their insanity, and it is a form of insanity, will not be accepted for a next round. What is needed is to make Cheney, Bush and the neocons synonymous with disaster, ruin, debt, humiliation, wrongheadedness and corruption that the number who will ever listen to them again will be insignificant.
It’s a big job, but it is made easier every day with every new revelation of the terrible consequences of their belief system and the corruption that goes hand and hand with it. The best analogy I can muster is the way National Socialism is discredited to this day in the countries that embraced it, and it is now 60 years later.
angie @ 56
forgot the snark alert in rush to post what KO said
(*&^^%$#!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..tinians_dc
I figured that was the case, eCAHNomics
;(
check this out.
Isn’t is a religious holiday somewhere in the world right now?
I think Cheney is spouting this crap so he plead insanity at a war crimes trial.
Terry Olson @ 61
LOL
Cressy’s on fire on KO.
angie @61 – Noooo!
Terry Olson @ 62
Cheney repeats that crap because he knows nobody on Fox or CNN or radio or etc. will correct him. Don’t forget that Bush and company are still polling in the mid 30’s. Sad but true…
Morris Sheppard @ 59
I think that’s as good a mission statement as any.
On typo patrol . . .
clothe-> clotheCAHNomics @ 63
Cheney repeats that crap because he can. How many times have you seen MSM or hate radio correct him?
BTW Shields was just on the NewsHour for the end of the week roundup. Geez, I wish he would STFU. The first words out of his mouth is that Pelosi’s Syria trip was ill advised. He’s just another one of these dopey headed correspondents who can’t wrap their mushy minds around the fact that Bush is the worst President in our history. Bush’s Presidency is an absolute failure so if Pelosi does something, and let’s be clear, what she said and did was hardly revolutionary, Mark Shields kool aid drinker that he is immediately buys into the White House’s story and condemns her for it.
Scarecrow’s post is about Cheney’s delusions. Well, his are far from being the only ones. Most of the Washington press corps even now as the Bush Presidency is collapsing continue to believe whatever spin they’re given and are just to d*mn sloppy and lazy to bother looking up the facts unless we do it for them.
JPL @ 66
Because the media are mushrooms.
And they think we are too.
I worry there will be no change in U.S. attitude on the Palestinian ‘question’ regardless of who wins in 2008.
In all probability the 30% have always been there and always will be. (It would be interesting to know if it’s always 30%.) Probably they used to be spread around more evenly, though. What’s intreresting is that the Republicans tried to dumb down the entire countyr, and this is what they’re left with. Now the Republicans are the party of the 30=percenters, and theirs alone. And they truly deserbe each other..
Of course the 30% are not homogeneous. Some of ‘em are thick as two short planks, others may be quite intelligent but true believers, or just still furious at the Dems and very dug in, very stubborn. They’d rather die than admit they were wrong.
Scarecrow, this is the most convincing explanation I’ve seen as to why Cheney just keeps spouting the same bullshit. So if you are correct, the interesting question is, can a party of the 30 percenters really do anything any more? In effect, it’s like a group of crackpots or cultists, only rather larger. But it’s been quite an educational experience for the rest of us, and will continue to be. As the 30% keep dumbing down, the other 70% are, I think, getting smarter. Thiry percent don’t want to know, or are incapable of knowing, what the hell’s going on. The rest of us are TRYING to understand. I would think that’s a long-term survival advantage.
oregondave @
68
clothe-> clothThanks. it’s fixed.
So Cheney goes on Limbaugh. The Shooter meets The Popper.
Then no right wing WATB whining allowed if/when Pelosi/Reid go on Air America/Olbermann/Ed Schultz, etc.
Eureka Springs @ 65
Shooting fish in a barrel.
Hunting caged birds.
Cheney & Bush must be sooo proud.
priscianus jr @ 30
I used to think that it was OK to let the bottom 30% stew in their own juice & then along came W. We need to figure out 1) how to keep track of what they’re up to and 2) how to prevent it from happening. No more letting them plot under cover of our disdain.
Hugh @ 70
PBS has been lost for quite a while now.
Balrog, Hi! Get the HBO.
eCHAN, I didn’t get to see the e-mail you sent to Cafferty.
Hugh — I think I recall a time when partisanship stopped at water’s edge, so the CW was that we spoke with one voice in foreign affairs. it was understood that you didn’t make unauthorized trips abroad that could be interpreted as sending conflicting messages — but that was then, and those rules were shattered by the neocons.
And Pelosi’s trips was consistent with the underlying bipartisan view that we should be talking to Syria. And as others have noted, Pelosi mostly stuck to the main Administration line — except for whether we’d openly sit down with Syria’s President. Shields is old school, and I think he just missed the point here; he’s usually better. Too bad.
JPL @ 66
Darth is rallying the true believers, I guess. Chimpy’s numbers are in the 30s. But I thought Cheney’s were flatlining.
I’m sorry if this is out-of-place.
But I’ve gotta say it. (and THEN hope to catch up with comments later, just because, okay?)
Years ago, I visited daily with a dear friend who was suffering from heart failure.
The attitude I witnessed then was similar to what is described here, & the personality a strong presence, as witnessed thru media lately.
Just a not-too-panicky suggestion:
People who can take charge in emergencies maybe ought to start figuring out what to do if someone in a position of high power in the country is not able to, -um, think rationally.
No. I’m not kidding. World peace, what’s left of it, might be at stake.
*backs off quietly*
Hugh @ 70
I’m surprised to see that Pumpkinhead Russert, fresh off of being revealed as a Cheney sockpuppet in the Libby trial, has not changed his behavior. Or even tried to camoflage it.
OK @ 72, I disagree only because dems will attempt to bring about negotiations. The religious right impedes any long term solution and hopefully a dem in office can counteract that.
Adie — I think we’ve been dealing for 5 years with the problem of what to do when the entire regime is mentally incapacitated and delusional. There are no precedents for this.
Terry Olson @ 78
See me@152 on George Bush: Hardly Working…Again post & thanks for asking.
Scarecrow @ 84
agreed.
KO is on fire. Hi there firepups been out of the loop ALL DAY what did I miss.
lolo
Looks Like The Lake Is Hopp’in
Jane Hamsher @
2
If you want to see quite a collection, go here.
Scary, scary people.
Cheney says this over and over again because he can. He keeps getting away with it. It’s like the Global Warming debate. There’s no debate, but they keep pretending like there is. Cheney says it to say, “Fuck You to whoever doesn’t toe my line. He’s saying, I don’t give a shit, I’m the king. Challenge me, if you think you’re so powerful. Oh, you can’t? Well, then, it’s like I said.”
Georgesimian @ 89
agreed.
cartoons:
ouch, 1
ouch, 2
lolo @ 86
Monica resigned.
Gonzales practicing his lying
Cheney lied again, on Rush
Bill 0′ has a food fight, but loses
More National Guard on way to Iraq
UK soldiers reveal the pressure they were under, while rightwingers boast how much braver they would have been if only they didn’t have other priorities.
you guys have to check this out, Pat Collins
speaks about the doj and gonzo freely now that he’s no longer in public service.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/sto…..id=5189901
check out the raw anger and frustration in his voice.
Scarecrow @ 80
I wonder what Pelosi’s trip accomplished. I know it’s a first step in the direction of re-engaging Iraq’s neighbors according to the ISG, but it seems with all the wingnut sniping, we’re really not getting any substance about the trip. If the wingnuts are trying to accomplish a static effect they are succeeding. Someone on another thread reported that there were rumors among the Lebaonese that Pelosi was “selling them down the river.” Somehow I doubt that.
If you want to see a scary collection of the 30 percenters, go here.
Scarecrow @ 80
It is always right to talk. (Ask Jimmy Carter his views on this.)
I don’t think he is usually better. Shields is, more often than not, less effective in setting the narrative, making the points that don’t get muddled in the conventional MSM line. Too much time responding to talking points introduced by Brooks etc. and Lehrer.
Thank you Scarecrow. You’re special.
I don’t know, scarecrow. Every once in a while, Shields or one of the other reporters or pundits will make a good point. But it never lasts. The next sentence or the next appearance they’re back spouting their standard inanities.
Again I go back to the view that after 6 years you don’t have to be bright or insightful but only minimally conscious to realize that this is the worst Administration in our history. This should be the perspective from which correspondents and pundits report on what view what is going on in that Administration, but it almost never is.
When I criticize a David Gregory, Martha Raddatz, or Mark Shields, it is that they fail to integrate what they are being told into the pattern of failure that this Administration shows at every turn. I am really getting tired of trying to draw distinctions between all this hackery. Sure, these guys are better than what you find on CNN, but they are still awful.
Crow
Sounds right. I don’t know if there are still 30% who actually belive Cheney- but probably close- and they make political donations and vote- so they are all that keep this collection of turds from being flushed completely away.
Mark Shields lashes out on occasion, but not often enough. I used to like his historical anecdotes, but it’s wearing a bit thin.
Scarecrow last graph Russ sh be Rush…
never lest we forget that the 30 percenters’ messiah is a hillbilly heroin junkie sex tourist PT Barnum freakshow who lives down to his name.
For those listenting to Madeliene Albright on KO, she’d likely have a high post in a Clinton administration. Sec State again?
couldn’t happen to a nicer hypocrite:
eCAHNomics @ 101
nooooooooo!
I am not watching KO at the moment btw, so I don’t know what she’s saying, but I don’t want her in government again.
Scarecrow @ 92
Thanks Scarecrow you’re the best.
ifthethunderdontgetya @82
Why should he? He has suffered no consequences except for the scorn and disdain of people he scorns and disdains and who, as yet, have no power over him.
Scarecrow @66
And as we see from the above, there is much work to be done.
I agree Shields is not effective enough and I often find him frustrating. He’s gotten more combative in opposing Brooks in recent months, but Brooks really needs to be called out more. I wonder though, whether Lehrer would even allow a tougher, more direct spokesperson for the Dem side. He seems to want a very unemotional, civilized debate, and someone needs to slap down Brooks’ persistent lying. Suggestions?
Scarecrow @ 106
Katrina vanden Heuvel.
Morris Sheppard @ 105
and I just hope there’s time….
angie @ 105
They’re both Wellesley, as am I but I never fit in, thank goodness.
They’re both pretty militaristic. Think they learned wrong lesson-prez must maintain prerogatives-with difficulty in getting military action in Balkans.
Prairie Sunshine @ 99
Thanks, I’ll fix.
angie @ 104
LOL and I agree. Albright is better than Rice. Almost anyone would be but her foreign policy outlook never left the 1980s.
punaise @ 91
Punaise!
That’s gotta leave a mark.
angie @ 106
yeah, I like Katrina — and I’ll bet Jim couldn’t handle her.
This is EXACTLY what Olbermann and Dana Milbank concluded at the end of their segment tonight. Watch the repeat later this evening if you missed it.
JPL @ 84
Perhaps you’re right. Hope so.
tweety has taken to calling the veep “CHEENIE”= which he says is the correct pronunciation of the vice liar in chief’s name- not “CHAINIE” as the rest of the world refers to him.
Hope one day it will be “Ball and Chainie”
Check out the wild variants on Cheney’s numbers. Most polls have him around 30%. CBS News/New York Times Poll has him at 18.
Oh but, the questions are different. Huh, makes a difference.
These wingnuts know they can say anything and the lapdog press will eat it up. This country is doomed. Corporate Amerika has won. May God have mercy on our souls.
Peace,
PJ
Other than the fact that she lies incessantly and doesn’t accomplish anything at all, Condo-leasa is a great secy of state.
Hard ta see why ol man Bush said she was a disappointment.
angie @ 109
Or Rachel Maddow, Glenn Greenwald, Cliff Schechter.
angie @ 108
My secret love. OK, not so secret, the wife knows.
Scarecrow @ 107
How do you have unemotional, civilized debates with unprincipled liars?
scarecrow,
Are you having Andrew Cockburn on at FDL Book
Salon at the regular time on Sunday? I’m interested in his Rumsfeld book, but also – what a family and incredibly rich life Cockburn has!
I’ve been reading his articles at Counterpunch for years and just found out his daughter is Olivia Wilde.
Gotta go, so I’ll probably take my answer off the air…
Scarecrow @ 107
Jane Hamsher.
OK Scarecrow– Jane, Christy, You, Bill Press, Phil Donohue, Thom Hartmann, Laura Flanders, Sam Seder, Norman Soloman, John Nichols
or
ROSIE!
Katina? Oh plese no- don’t make us watch her again!!
KO WPITW playing Bill O melt down.
rwcole @ 120
Her biggest accomplishment as NSA, if true, was this one line:
Morris Sheppard @ 123
Katrina vanden Heuvel.
My secret love. OK, not so secret, the wife knows.
I’m sure you meant Katrina and not David. How about Jane or Marcy to replace Mark?
I like what Rosie O’Donnell has to say.
rwcole @ 118
he’s been doing that for ages…
fwiw, it’s a pretty good “tell”.
part of playing both sides agnst [?] for his own ratings benefit (?)
Geraldo BEST person in the world for Bill O smack down.
Thanks for the memories. I’d forgotten that one.
Ed*ard Teller @ 125
yes. It’s this Sunday, the 8th, usual time.
Condo-Leasa is famous for not defending her own people EVER when faced with confrontations by Rummy and Cheeney. She’s a piece of work.
dakine01 @ 134
Hee hee. That was fun. Many years from now, when I’m looking back on these times and thinking of the horror of the Bushies, I know that memories of the KO show will still bring a smile.
angie @ 127
Yeah, I can just see Lehrer watching Rosie maul Brooks. We’d have to administer smelling salts to Broder and Will!
Wish we had the old saturday night live crew around to tear into the raw meat that is the comedic potential of this White House-
“Whose turn is it to mind the President?” would be a good routine.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 132
so do I– but if Scarecrow’s not sure that Jim can handle Katrina (who always maintains her controlled voice and demeanor despite her outrage and knowledge), I think Rosie would reduce Jim and Brooks to shimmering puddles before the end of the first show.
rwcole @ 137
What would you have her do?
Hers was a political appointment [= huge guess].
She serves “at the pleasure of the preznit.”
Latter serves, -um, -uh, ……
[sorry. haven’t a clue….. i got lost back at the exploding frogs…..]
scarecrow 27
being paranoid rules……….but there were always a few level-headed muses around to bring it all back to reason, they have been weeded out or retired, anyone left? anyone reading this post left in the government to call it all out? cajones? got ‘em? there’s more people behind you than you can count….if you got ‘em…….we’re here to cover your back. all across america………
angie @ 141
You’ve hit on the key; what we’re missing is the deep anger/outrage much of the country feels towards this regime and the media’s complicity. That’s what’s missing on all the trad media. And Katrina does do a good job of conveying that without losing cool herself.
Scarecrow @ 144
But outrage would be so uncivil and vulgar, dontcha know?
Thanks for the great analysis, as always
TeddySanFran has a new thread up! 3…2…1
scarecrow, you ask a good question. There really aren’t that many progressive voices that show up in the media and those that do are often used for their shock value. So it is difficult to come up with names. There are several people I can think of who would do well in certain areas. For the full spectrum though, I think actually that Jane would do well in such circumstances. It takes a light touch to call bullsh*t without being confrontational. Arianna Huffington for example would also be good if spottier on the issues and more confrontational. Bill Moyers could do it. Curiously, nobody from NPR or PBS comes to mind. The media critic Bob McChesney I have always found to be highly articulate. David Brancaccio I know less about but he too might do. You would think with the supposed leftward tilt of the media there would be many more, but then that tilt seems to be mostly an optical illusion only seen on the right.
dakine01 @ 134
That clip was painful to watch. Falafel Man really uses a lot of physically intimidating gestures. No wonder Dan Rather fired his ass all those years ago. O’Reilly’s only talent is circus freak polemic.
I got a bit of Cesar Chavez from Geraldo in that clip.
Scarecrow @ 144
Brooks a shimmering puddle? I’ve never seen Brks otherwise, whenever things ‘r tuff. Never seems to make any diff. to his fans, I guess.
fwiw, we need someone the pugs will listen to, at least on the sly. Sadly, Rosie’s out, on that score. & I’m betting there are more pugs than you realize who are casting about looking for someone who makes sense, in a rational matter, without Rosie-type “baggage”.
Don’t get me wrong. I think Rosie’s great, just not there, doing that. Needs an “edgier” program to achieve her full potential. no?
vanden Heuvel sounds pretty good to me…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT4RGkX309o
Scarecrow @ 144– And that’s why KO’s special comments are so very special to all of us! It’s why I look forward to Leahy, Waxman, Whitehouse, Kennedy, Conyers, Feingold and Katrina and all the others I listed before and the brave citizen folks that have spoken truth to power in their rare opportunities to question– Ray McGovern, Dr. Ben Marble, Rocky Anderson, et al.
It’s far too little representation for a country that is growing more furious by the day.
(too bad it took so long for the fury to mount and the eyes of so many to open!)
angie @ 153
;->
I think Americans should be angry with Douglas.
I live in a red area of a blue state. When I post things on our local newspaper forum, I try to use a source that will not automatically be discounted as liberal or left-wing. The source I cited today to open the discussion on this horror is the John Birch Society. Really, the essay posted there is a masterpiece of understatement. Newly Declassified Report…
Hugh @ 70
And Shields is supposed to be the “librul.”
scarecrow – Russ Limbaugh. I like it! Like, who?
Predicted Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.). “The Democrats’ honeymoon is fixing to end. It’s going to explode like an IED.”
Now, how could the Republicans accomplish this without their little helpers at the Washington Post?
Anna Perenna @ 156
Huh? Rational, facing facts by the Birchers? Have they changed?
Actually, I thought they had died out.
Or is it just that what used to be the lunatic right wing is downright “centrist” compared to today’s wingers?
Great discussion. I am in total agreement about Shields et al. Every week it’s like a turtle race between Brooks and Shields.
Hugh @
33
When I look at that face I see a face paralyzed by fear.
Is Dick Cheney auditioning for the starring role in a movie about Terry Schiavo’s life?
I mean, we all know his heart atrophied a long time ago, but it is quite apparent now that his brain has also atrophied, and probably his soul, too. As have Rush Limbaugh’s. As have Bill O’Reilly’s.
Of course, everyone viewing or listening to Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh or Bill O’Reilly are assuming the role of Sen. Bill Frist, making “medical judgments” about a patient’s (commentator’s) mental condition via videotape, even as all the first-hand medical evidence indicates that the patient’s (commentator’s) brain has atrophied and one is actually viewing a vegetable that has no chance of recovering.
Which means that the 30 percent listening or viewing Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh or Bill O’Reilly must be suffering some form of brain atrophy, too, especially for them to keep falling for the same ol’ Republican bullshit…er, in my humble medical opinion, that is.
Rush caught out lying by having Cheney on to purposefully lie. Didn’t Rush Limbaugh state–unequivocally–on his show (after the November GOP meltdown) that he “wouldn’t be carrying Republicans’ water” anymore?
They truly have utter contempt for their “base” don’t they? They sense that not one of those mouth-breathing knuckledraggers will remember what Rush said last November.
It’s interesting how willing the 30%ers are to take emotional abuse like this. They fear the cognitive dissonance to believe otherwise. It’s almost cult-like.
To understand the emotional abuse that occurs between the right-wing elite establishment [abusers, authority figures] and the “liberal” inside the beltway media [victims], read:
http://eqi.org/eabuse1.htm
While the media may appear to be in bed with the right-wing, it’s only because they are too cowardly to stand up to them.
- Tom
Cheney has no choice but to continue the lies. He’s guilty of mass-murder and treason, and he knows it, therefore the lies must – and will – continue. Ditto with Dubya.