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		<title>By: cando</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-606424</link>
		<dc:creator>cando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The attorney letter seems to be asking for immunity, this coming from someone who knows nothing about the law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attorney letter seems to be asking for immunity, this coming from someone who knows nothing about the law.</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-606313</link>
		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;pogo says: &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;April 5th, 2007 at 11:34 am &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nolo at 147 -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t misunderstand what I was trying to say. Indeed, lying to Congress is a crime, but that’ a different issue, although closely related. There is criminal exposure for lying to Congress, &lt;b&gt;but there is only jeopardy to your law license for violating Rules of Professional Conduct&lt;/b&gt;. . .&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;pogo&lt;/b&gt; — not to quibble, but commission&lt;br /&gt;
of almost any crime, and certainly any&lt;br /&gt;
crime involving moral turpitude — like&lt;br /&gt;
lying to congress — is direct grounds&lt;br /&gt;
for disbarment by &lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;summary proceedings&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt; in&lt;br /&gt;
most states — i dunno’ ’bout DC, but i&lt;br /&gt;
suspect it follows the majority rule. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and, btw, the attorney-client privilege is&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;not hers&lt;/b&gt; to assert — it belongs to the&lt;br /&gt;
government; not gonzo — the governement.&lt;br /&gt;
presumably the government won’t assert&lt;br /&gt;
it in a defense to the charge that some&lt;br /&gt;
of its highest-ranking agents lied to it&lt;br /&gt;
about matters involving the exercise of&lt;br /&gt;
criminal prosecutorial discretion, in part-&lt;br /&gt;
isan-charged regional USA investigations. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so — a proposal — let’s just agree&lt;br /&gt;
that monica “&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;take-five-for-freedom-fries&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt;“&lt;br /&gt;
goodling is in various forms of peril, even&lt;br /&gt;
without considering whether she testifies&lt;br /&gt;
before congress. . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>pogo says: </i></p>
<p>April 5th, 2007 at 11:34 am </p>
<p>nolo at 147 -</p>
<p>Don’t misunderstand what I was trying to say. Indeed, lying to Congress is a crime, but that’ a different issue, although closely related. There is criminal exposure for lying to Congress, <b>but there is only jeopardy to your law license for violating Rules of Professional Conduct</b>. . .</p>
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<p><b>pogo</b> — not to quibble, but commission<br />
of almost any crime, and certainly any<br />
crime involving moral turpitude — like<br />
lying to congress — is direct grounds<br />
for disbarment by <em><b>summary proceedings</b></em> in<br />
most states — i dunno’ ’bout DC, but i<br />
suspect it follows the majority rule. . .</p>
<p>and, btw, the attorney-client privilege is<br />
<b>not hers</b> to assert — it belongs to the<br />
government; not gonzo — the governement.<br />
presumably the government won’t assert<br />
it in a defense to the charge that some<br />
of its highest-ranking agents lied to it<br />
about matters involving the exercise of<br />
criminal prosecutorial discretion, in part-<br />
isan-charged regional USA investigations. . .</p>
<p>so — a proposal — let’s just agree<br />
that monica “<b><em>take-five-for-freedom-fries</em></b>“<br />
goodling is in various forms of peril, even<br />
without considering whether she testifies<br />
before congress. . .</p>
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		<title>By: hychka</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-606198</link>
		<dc:creator>hychka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“You can’t ask me to testify because I will simply invoke the 5th. If Scooter had done the same, he would not be looking at jail time. We can lie, cheat, steal, mame the military, spend our children into crushing debt, kill millions of people.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Come on!! How long can this crap go on?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it is high time that long knives be drawn and that tourches be lite.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You can’t ask me to testify because I will simply invoke the 5th. If Scooter had done the same, he would not be looking at jail time. We can lie, cheat, steal, mame the military, spend our children into crushing debt, kill millions of people.” </p>
<p>Come on!! How long can this crap go on?</p>
<p>I think it is high time that long knives be drawn and that tourches be lite.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Stevens</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-606111</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The gift rule prevents her from receiving pro bono legal service or allowing others to pay her legal bills. I don’t think it prevents her attorney from offering favorable financing terms or a payment schedule.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once she’s no longer employed by the government, her friends and associates will legally be permitted to pay her legal bills. I don’t think Dowd will have to wait very long for his money.  I won’t be surprised if she’s a private citizen within the next 2 weeks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Consider that she’s been on paid leave for the past 2 weeks.  She can’t have a lot of vacation time left and I very much doubt the DOJ wants her back in the office.  An employee who has plead the 5th cannot be anywhere that requires national security clearances.  These days, I suspect that’s pretty much the whole DOJ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unpaid leave?  Not with house payments and mounting legal bills.  I think she’ll be forced to resign very shortly, if only so that her GOP friends can legally throw her some cash.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gift rule prevents her from receiving pro bono legal service or allowing others to pay her legal bills. I don’t think it prevents her attorney from offering favorable financing terms or a payment schedule.  </p>
<p>Once she’s no longer employed by the government, her friends and associates will legally be permitted to pay her legal bills. I don’t think Dowd will have to wait very long for his money.  I won’t be surprised if she’s a private citizen within the next 2 weeks. </p>
<p>Consider that she’s been on paid leave for the past 2 weeks.  She can’t have a lot of vacation time left and I very much doubt the DOJ wants her back in the office.  An employee who has plead the 5th cannot be anywhere that requires national security clearances.  These days, I suspect that’s pretty much the whole DOJ.</p>
<p>Unpaid leave?  Not with house payments and mounting legal bills.  I think she’ll be forced to resign very shortly, if only so that her GOP friends can legally throw her some cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-606018</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just an observation from following this story. I noticed that all the online news accounts have the same picture on this woman so I did a Google image search.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a much more flattering and descriptive  (frontal) picture of her but according to one paper I read they were denied the right to use it. Maybe Monica just doesn’t want to be anything other than anonymous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an observation from following this story. I noticed that all the online news accounts have the same picture on this woman so I did a Google image search.  </p>
<p>There is a much more flattering and descriptive  (frontal) picture of her but according to one paper I read they were denied the right to use it. Maybe Monica just doesn’t want to be anything other than anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-606012</link>
		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Delurking..&lt;br /&gt;
Tahnk you Christy for yet another brilliant post. Re: “Who is Paying her bills”. Sorry I cannot quote - either from Atrios comments or TPM…she earns $130,000 something at DOJ. Recently purchased $300,000 home with a $5,000 down….well below  . Apparently she is not rolling in it, so where or whom does this MOney appear…as in Watergate, follow the money.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delurking..<br />
Tahnk you Christy for yet another brilliant post. Re: “Who is Paying her bills”. Sorry I cannot quote &#8211; either from Atrios comments or TPM…she earns $130,000 something at DOJ. Recently purchased $300,000 home with a $5,000 down….well below  . Apparently she is not rolling in it, so where or whom does this MOney appear…as in Watergate, follow the money.</p>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-605940</link>
		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-605405&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @&lt;br /&gt;
                26              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Stephen at 23 — It wouldn’t apply to Monica — it would apply to those lawyers who are working for the Committees who are licensed in DC.  The Ethics Opinion applies to conduct by those who work within the DC Bar.  Goodling’s attorney is trying to shape how they will act by throwing out a constraint — except that constraint may be an invalid one that only points to conduct that is no longer restricted.  No response from the DC Bar, btw — at least, not yet.  I e-mailed on this yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t there a fairly simple answer to this conundrum?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dangle immunity in front of her, but condition it on coming in and making a full proffer.  If the proffer ultimately turns out to be BS, then nail her ass for obstructing a congressional investigation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-605405"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @<br />
                26              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Stephen at 23 — It wouldn’t apply to Monica — it would apply to those lawyers who are working for the Committees who are licensed in DC.  The Ethics Opinion applies to conduct by those who work within the DC Bar.  Goodling’s attorney is trying to shape how they will act by throwing out a constraint — except that constraint may be an invalid one that only points to conduct that is no longer restricted.  No response from the DC Bar, btw — at least, not yet.  I e-mailed on this yesterday.</p>
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<p>Isn’t there a fairly simple answer to this conundrum?</p>
<p>Dangle immunity in front of her, but condition it on coming in and making a full proffer.  If the proffer ultimately turns out to be BS, then nail her ass for obstructing a congressional investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-605913</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Still very curious who is funding the high priced lawyers working to keep her from testifying about her work as a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still very curious who is funding the high priced lawyers working to keep her from testifying about her work as a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Chapman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-605908</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-605884&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;pogo @ 180&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Robert at 178 - you aren’t by chance a member of the Virginia Bar, are you?  If so, do you have access toa directory of VA Bar members?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, no.  Not a member of the Virginia State Bar.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-605884"><em>pogo @ 180</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Robert at 178 &#8211; you aren’t by chance a member of the Virginia Bar, are you?  If so, do you have access toa directory of VA Bar members?</p>
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<p>Sorry, no.  Not a member of the Virginia State Bar.</p>
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		<title>By: pogo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/05/ooopsies/#comment-605884</link>
		<dc:creator>pogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Robert at 178 - you aren’t by chance a member of the Virginia Bar, are you?  If so, do you have access toa directory of VA Bar members?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert at 178 &#8211; you aren’t by chance a member of the Virginia Bar, are you?  If so, do you have access toa directory of VA Bar members?</p>
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