
(Photo by Trillion of two kick ass Harley men who are NOT named either Guiliani or D'Amato, as far as I know.)
When I get asked why it is that the politicization of prosecutorial discretion ticks me off so much — the "everybody does it" question — I try to explain why this is so very, very bad. For all of us, regardless of political affiliation. Michael Powell, writing for the NYTimes Week in Review, hit the nail on the head with this:
This is not so simple as a lament for giants who strode the earth. It is also true that a giant can stomp carelessly on those who do not deserve prosecution. And the new generation has a star or two. United States Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald has drawn many eyes to Chicago, where he has won indictments of dozens of defendants in public-corruption cases. Most recently, he did a turn on the stage in Washington, successfully prosecuting I. Lewis Libby Jr., a top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney.
Yet the geography of prosecutorial power has shifted in the past two decades. Prosecutors struggle more and more with straitened budgets and rules, and a Justice Department that holds a far tighter leash.
“Power is much more centralized in the Department of Justice than it ever had been,” said Professor Bruce Green, a former assistant federal prosecutor in New York and director of the Louis Stein Center for Law and Ethics at Fordham University School of Law. “Nowadays, the Justice Department knows much more about which cases you’re bringing and the sentences you’re handing out.”
“In the past we felt more empowered to ignore them,” he said.
Three changes help explain that shift. Sentencing reform in the mid-1980s circumscribed the discretionary power of prosecutors and judges. At the same time, the Internet has aided the collection and centralization of information, greatly expanding the Justice Department’s ability to track a wide variety of cases on the local level.
Finally, there is the regimen imposed by the Justice Department, which places a high premium on loyalty. President Bush’s first attorney general, John Ashcroft, required that his prosecutors seek the toughest sentences, particularly in terrorism and death penalty cases. All of this chews at the core of a prosecutor’s power, which is about the exercise of choice. (emphasis mine)
It's a great article, placing a lot of the questions raised by this mess into context – so go read the whole thing. Then ask yourself: What price loyalty? What price was demanded and/or extracted? And at what cost to the rest of us that that question will now be asked with each and every prosecution of criminals in this country so long as Bush appointees are at the helm in USAtty offices across the nation? What was given in order to get — or to maintain — the position? Or to attain, still higher, the federal bench?
That is far too high a price.
It is one thing to ask that the attorneys that you appoint are people whose political philosophy is close to yours, that they will be looking at the law and the facts of a particular case through that lens, and that they will be fair and judge each case impartially but with their own beliefs and life experiences as a part of that judgment. That is how things always work, because elections do, indeed, have consequences. But to ask that the facts be damned and the law be cast aside in order to shove through an ends justifies the means strategy through from Rove's shop?
And the worst of this? Most of the folks who are working as career AUSAs, and even a significant number of the folks who are USAttys (even those you might assume would be political appointment cronies and hacks), are protective of the system by trying to mitigate the damage of demands coming from the political appointment hacks who now roam the halls of the DoJ, by trying to insulate the AUSAs from this insidious creeping taint eminating outward from the Bush Beltway, so that they can continue to do their duty and fulfill their own oaths to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the laws. But for how long?
In 1940, the AG was Robert H. Jackson, who later went on to become a justice on the US Supreme Court. He gave a speech to the newly minted USAttys at a time when he had only been at the helm of the DoJ for three months — but this speech is a very, very famous one in terms of standards and practices for prosecutors. I wanted to share a bit of it with you this morning:
…The prosecutor has more control over life, liberty, and reputation than any other person in America. His discretion is tremendous. He can have citizens investigated and, if he is that kind of person, he can have this done to the tune of public statements and veiled or unveiled intimations. Or the prosecutor may choose a more subtle course and simply have a citizen’s friends interviewed. The prosecutor can order arrests, present cases to the grand jury in secret session, and on the basis of his one-sided presentation of the facts, can cause the citizen to be indicted and held for trial. He may dismiss the case before trial, in which case the defense never has a chance to be heard. Or he may go on with a public trial. If he obtains a conviction, the prosecutor can still make recommendations as to sentence, as to whether the prisoner should get probation or a suspended sentence, and after he is put away, as to whether he is a fit subject for parole. While the prosecutor at his best is one of the most beneficent forces in our society, when he acts from malice or other base motives, he is one of the worst.
These powers have been granted to our law-enforcement agencies because it seems necessary that such a power to prosecute be lodged somewhere. This authority has been granted by people who really wanted the right thing done—wanted crime eliminated—but also wanted the best in our American traditions preserved.
Because of this immense power to strike at citizens, not with mere individual strength, but with all the force of government itself, the post of Federal District Attorney from the very beginning has been safeguard by presidential appointment, requiring confirmation of the Senate of the United States. You are thus required to win an expression of confidence in your character by both the legislative and the executive branches of the government before assuming the responsibilities of a federal prosecutor….
The federal prosecutor has now been prohibited from engaging in political activities. I am convinced that a good-faith acceptance of the spirit and letter of that doctrine will relieve many district attorneys from the embarrassment of what have heretofore been regarded as legitimate expectations of political service. There can also be no doubt that to be closely identified with the intrigue, the money raising, and the machinery of a particular party or faction may present a prosecuting officer with embarrassing alignments and associations. I think the Hatch Act should be utilized by federal prosecutors as a protection against demands on their time and their prestige to participate in the operation of the machinery of practical politics.
There is a most important reason why the prosecutor should have, as nearly as possible, a detached and impartial view of all groups in his community. Law enforcement is not automatic. It isn’t blind. One of the greatest difficulties of the position of prosecutor is that he must pick his cases, because no prosecutor can even investigate all of the cases in which he receives complaints. If the Department of Justice were to make even a pretense of reaching every probable violation of federal law, ten times its present staff would be inadequate. We know that no local police force can strictly enforce the traffic laws, or it would arrest half the driving population on any given morning. What every prosecutor is practically required to do it to select the cases for prosecution and to select those in which the offense is the most flagrant, the public harm the greatest, and the proof the most certain.
If the prosecutor is obliged to choose his cases, it follows that he can choose his defendants. Therein is the most dangerous power of the prosecutor: that he will pick people that he thinks he should get, rather than pick cases that need to be prosecuted. With the law books filled with a great assortment of crimes, a prosecutor stands a fair chance of finding at least a technical violation of some act on the part of almost anyone. In such a case, it is not a question of discovering the commission of a crime and then looking for the man who has committed it, it is a question of picking the man and then searching the law books, or putting investigators to work, to pin some offense on him. It is in this realm—in which the prosecutor picks some person whom he dislikes or desires to embarrass, or selects some group of unpopular persons and then looks for an offense, that the greatest danger of abuse of prosecuting power lies. It is here that law enforcement becomes personal, and the real crime becomes that of being unpopular with the predominant or governing group, being attached to the wrong political views, or being personally obnoxious to or in the way of the prosecutor himself.
In times of fear or hysteria political, racial, religious, social, and economic groups, often from the best of motives, cry for the scalps of individuals or groups because they do not like their views. Particularly do we need to be dispassionate and courageous in those cases which deal with so-called “subversive activities.” They are dangerous to civil liberty because the prosecutor has no definite standards to determine what constitutes a “subversive activity,” such as we have for murder or larceny. Activities which seem benevolent and helpful to wage earners, persons on relief, or those who are disadvantaged in the struggle for existence may be regarded as “subversive” by those whose property interests might be burdened or affected thereby. Those who are in office are apt to regard as “subversive” the activities of any of those who would bring about a change of administration. Some of our soundest constitutional doctrines were once punished as subversive. We must not forget that it was not so long ago that both the term “Republican” and the term “Democrat” were epithets with sinister meaning to denote persons of radical tendencies that were “subversive” of the order of things then dominant.
In the enforcement of laws which protect our national integrity and existence, we should prosecute any and every act of violation, but only overt acts, not the expression of opinion, or activities such as the holding of meetings, petitioning of Congress, or dissemination of news or opinions. Only by extreme care can we protect the spirit as well as the letter of our civil liberties, and to do so is a responsibility of the federal prosecutor.
This has stood for years as the standard in terms of philosophy and even-handedness — of a blind application of the law and the facts of a particular investigation, regardless of the subject. There have always been individuals who have atempted to subvert the process for one poitical reason or another, but they were, in due course, ground under by the slow turning of the wheels of justice which evens out the process in its slow, snaking wind through the system of courts and appeals.
It is this process that the Bush Administration, under the tainted hand of Rove's shop, has sought to pervert the nation's system of justice to its own ends. Not through some scheme in which the bulk of the USAttys and their AUSAs participated, but in a scheme eminating from the White House political ops and aided and abetted by the political appointees who scurry the halls of the vaunted Department of Justice once run by the likes of Robert H. Jackson.
From time to time in the halls of government, giants roam. People of such substantial moral character, breadth of vision, and commitment to ethical treatment of all Americans — regardless of race, social standing and connections, gender, political afilliation, and whatever other standard may be thrown into the mix for segregating an "us versus them" mentality in the mix. During those times, the rule of law is paramount, and justice is applied blindly to the facts and the precedents, as it should be. The law should never be used as a club, wielded to take out ones political enemies — and the Presidency should not be sullied by the likes of Karl Rove, seeking to pervert everything in his path as a means to whatever ends he may see fit.
In the halls of the Bush Administration, all I see are diminished, power-hungry, craven cowards who hide in the shadows and pull dirty tricks and perversions of the law out of their hats in the service of "winning" at any cost, without regard for what is lost in the process — who we ought to be, what our aspirations ought to be, as a nation. The likes of Robert H. Jackson are nowhere to be found.
Who will emerge, to stand once more for decency and justice? Let that be you and me, for we cannot depend on anyone else to do this in our stead. The authority to ensure that we have a Republic, if we can keep it, is vested in our hands. All of our hands.
Of course, I could have done without this image in the NYTimes article: "So Mr. Giuliani in 1986 donned a Hells Angels vest and sunglasses and traveled with the similarly disguised Senator Alfonse M. D’Amato to Washington Heights to buy crack." Oh yeah, you blend.
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Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.
Ratz!
Oh, yes. A friend of mine works with a VERY right-wing judge who is a high muckety-muck in the NRA; she keeps claiming that “it’s always been this way and the Democrats are just as bad” when anyone with a brain and an ability to use Google knows that that’s not the case.
He probably would blend in at the “Euro Harley” event that the picture was taken from!
I remember reading that Robert Jackson speech in a book of famous American legal speeches my father-in-law, an attorney and ex-prosecutor, had in his collection. Re-reading it here, I’m surprised it hadn’t been brought out earlier in this USA scandal. Good find, Christy.
Morning Christy! Totally OT- I have a great bird pic that you might like. How do I send it to you?
Phoenix at 3 — Politics has always been involved in judicial decisionmaking. But never to the extent that it has been forced in from the outside by this adminitration. And it is appalling that anyone of any political stripe would even attempt to justify this crap behavior.
conniptionfit — send it to ReddHedd AT firedoglake DOT com, and I’ll take a peek. Thanks!
It’s not just the attorneys. Bush has gone through every aspect of the US Government (and Iraq, too) and replaced any person he could with a “loyal Bushie”, no matter what their qualifications are.
Looks like Ahmadinejad has given all the British captives new threads upon their release from captivity.
I have always admired Ahmadinejad’s ability to propagandize effectively – and now he’s grinning like a Cheshire cat.
After hearing all about Swopa’s leather jacket during the Libby Trial, and various alleged alterations done to it when it was out of Swopa’s sight, I have to ask: is that Swopa on the left or the right in that photo up top?
The relentless politicization of absolutely EVERYTHING, including the DoJ, reeks of massive insecurity. If the only way they can establish their permanent Republican majority is by turning every lever of federal power towards its accomplishment, then they know they can’t win power honestly, through fair elections. Those generally require benefiting the bulk of the citizenry over time. So actual voter fraud, accompanied by phony voter fraud claims, is required, along with loyalty tests, falsifying science, and every other perversity.
I’m sure I’ve missed a discussion on this, but I’ve always wondered if one followed the budget funding for the USA’s offices you could determine who was being ‘rewarded’ and who was being curtailed. Carol Lam’s testimony touched on the aspect of the budgets being cut and though I was in awe of how Fitz handled the Libby case with such a low $ amt charged to taxpayers, I wonder whether he managed that not just because he was careful with his pennies but because his investigation was literally starved for funds.
Veritas78 @ 12
Wow–bullies are insecure–there’s a news flash! (Don’t mean to snark at you, but rather to point out the relationship between 2 well documented aspect of Rs behavior.)
Alaska vote update:
Yesterday, we voted on this issue –
2007 April Statewide Advisory Vote QUESTION: Shall the legislature adopt a proposed amendment to the state constitution to be considered by the voters at the 2008 general election that would prohibit the state, or a municipality or other subdivision of the state, from providing employment benefits to same-sex partners of public employees and to same-sex partners of public employee retirees? Yes [ ] No [ ]
Total
Number of Precincts 439
Precincts Reporting 438 99.8 %
Times Counted 105529/467275 22.6 %
Total Votes 105046
YES 56107 53.41%
NO 48939 46.59%
So, now the legislature is to craft a constitutional amendment along these lines for the voters to vote upon in the 2008 general election. All this is a result of the state supreme court deciding last year that state employees who are unmarried same sex couples should get the same benefits as unmarried couples who are of opposite sexes.
mainsailset @ 13
Drown the USAs in a bathtub until the only thing they’re prosecuting is bogus voter fraud cases.
Veritas78 at 12 — Exactly so. Presidents need to be asked difficult questions, they need to have their ideas and positions tested, not just by people of an opposing political party — but within their own party — in order to determine the merits and liabilities of any particular proposal.
The Bush Administration has walled off the truth by putting people who merely nod and say yes in every position where questions might be raised. And we are all paying the price for that weakness.
wow, simply wow to Judge Jackson’s remarks
I had never seen those remarks before Christy and am disheartened on reflecting there is no Judge Jackson to speak to these principles today
I am more familiar with another of his speeches
http://www.roberthjackson.org/Man/theman2-7-8-1/
brilliant!
loved this bit:
it put me in mind of the “pre-emptive“
actions of the new york city police de-
partment, as the republican national con-
vention hit town, last go ’round:
jail the democrats — or anyone who re-
motely looks democratic — ask questions later.
good stuff — and fitz ought to be looking
at the “overt acts” of cheney and rove, in
the CIA leak case. . . he may just get a
dividend from the USA mass-firings hearings
before congress — a new treasure-trove of
rove-ian e-mails. . .
Christy Hardin Smith @
8
Got any “guidelines” for what you are looking for in terms of photos?
GeorgeSimian @ 9
Bathtub government. Bankrupt both financially and morally.
As an FDR appointee, Jackson might be a role model for libruls, but not for George “The only thing we have to fear is EVERYTHING” Bush’s White House. If there’s a Jackson around the DOJ these days, he or she is in a deep, deep closet.
Don’t ask, don’t tell indeed.
raven at 20 — Well, you can probably tell from looking at the blog that we use an eclectic mix. *g*
OT: Question for the WSJ Editorial Board: You’ve said that Patrick Fitzgerald should show us his cards on the CIA leak case now that the Scooter Libby trial is over. By extension, do you also believe that Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and George W Bush should publicly explain their roles in this case? If so, please provide a link to your editorial that says so. If not, please explain.
What do you all think about Conyers et al hinting at wanting a special prosecuter for Goddling, etc? Think they’re serious or just posturing? Think they have any chance of getting one, even if they are serious? IIRC, Fitz was appointed only because Ashcroft recused himself. Somehow I don’t see Gonzales doing that.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
k, thx
LaFourmiRouge @
10
Well, the US also gave out threads….nice black hooded smocks with electrodes attached to them…Let’s not forget the nice warm feces baths too…..
Ahmadinejad 1…Chimpy and Dickie 0.
-GSD
P.S. In the event you haven’t seen Right Wingnuttia meltdown over the Pelosi/hijab photos.
What about this photo of Chimpy? Is he selling out his Christianity by wearing this?
Awesome post, Christy. I had never seen the speech by AG/Justice Jackson. What a contrast with the likes of Meese, Ashcroft and Gonzales.
good one. he he!
. . .waits for hell to freeze over. . .
and on a personal note
et tu Christy, et tu ???
mr. cbl is going through a born to be mild phase and I can harley keep track of all the newly ‘vested’ friends
I’ve been uncomfortable even with prosecutors who ran for higher office from the DA’s office. We’ve seen so many who pursued high-profile cases to get their names in the paper. It’s a job with unending temptations for abuse.
ET at 5 — I can’t believe that I am the first person to cite this Jackson speech in the USAtty discussion. Truly, it is a VERY famous speech, and one that any person with a passing familiarity with the DoJ ought to recognize, at least in part, because it is brought up frequently as a model of professional behavior in the position of prosecutor — which is a very, very powerful role with it’s quasi-judicial considerations. It is not an easy job to pass initial judgment on one’s peers, nor should it be.
That the Bush Administration has treated the position wit such contempt as to attempt to subvert the system for political ends makes me more angry than I could possibly tell you.
msnbc doing a thoroughly despicable job of covering the Brit hostage story. Don’t go there if you value your last meal.
My favorite part of this great speech is this:
(Sheldon Whitehouse quoted this the other day to Kyle… I went running off and found the speech and read it!)
Veritas78 @ 31
This is such a longstanding fixture in American politics, I doubt any positive results of the response to the DOJ USA firings will have an impact on this.
angie at 34 — Oh, that’s right! I had forgotten that Whitehouse quoted a bit of that during the hearing. I was typing so quickly trying to transcribe, that I’d completely forgotten that’s where it had originated. Good catch!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
It’s like Rove took the speech and said “look, it’s a road map!” And proceeded to do everything that the Judge warned us not to do.
Here are two, simple, easy to understand reasons for being POd about the politicization of the DOJ:
1.) Career prosecutors at the DOJ in the Civil Rights unit and others say that not everyone does it. The Bushies are exceptional.
2.) It amounts to rigging the game so that only one side wins.
You might also throw in a dope slap.
eCAHNomics @ 25
I *can* see it, myself.
The White House has got to be seriously upset with Gonzales, and if he wasn’t Bush’s personal lawyer/friend/crony from Texas, he’d have been thrown overboard long ago to spend more time with his family. How to make this all go away — or at least off the front pages — without punting AG the AG . . . that’s a tricky question.
A special prosecutor might offer the WH at least the hope for a way out. To make it work, though, would require appointing the proper prosecutor . . . and I don’t think they’d make a mistake by appointing Fitz or another one like him.
The ideal candidate from the WH point of view would have Fitz’ passion for maintaining secrecy, but without the passion for accountability before the law, thus allowing for a period of months to go by in silence (”can’t comment on an ongoing investigation”) before a final “I looked into this, and found nothing wrong” prosecutorial statement is issued.
But this is a dangerous strategy — one of last resort — and there’s no guarantee that at the end, Congress wouldn’t go ahead and investigate anyway. If Congress smells a rat, they might even continue their investigations while the SP works away.
The politicization of the Justice
Department is a travesty. Ashcroft and Gonzales have turned it from a law enforcement department to another political arm of the Administration. I have two very good friends who are former US Attorneys in WV, and neither of them ever felt any pressure to pursue political prosecutions or felt fear that their jobs may not be secure if they failed to prosecute cases that reflected the political priorities of the White House. What is clear is that at least for 2 more years, we will not be well served by the Justice Department.
CHS @ #32 – I first read the Jackson speech when I was taking a speech class and happened upon it in my wife’s dad’s books. It made enough of an impression on me then – 1984 – that I was happliy startled to see your use of it. Maybe some other blog has cited it, maybe a dozen Kos diaries have, but I missed it there. The speech is fairly long, and, stylistically, it is part of a tradition long gone.
re: (Photo by Trillion of two kick ass Harley men who are NOT named either Guiliani or D’Amato, as far as I know.)
Not quite 21 years ago, Mr. NJP and I were married. Because Mr. NJP was writing for the NY Times (New Jersey weekly section), we were able to have our wedding announcement published (having no other great claims to fame or family fortune). We were married on a Friday morning, and the next day we excitedly opened the Times to see our wedding announcement–on the page with the Weekly News Quiz feature that the Times used to offer, with the photo of Guiliani and D’Amato on their famous undercover drug buy. Those guys managed to spoil our wedding announcement, and we’ve never forgiven them.
I live in Chicago, so U.S. Attorney Fitzgerald’s work is very much in the news. And let me tell you, the guy is the best.
Fitzgerald’s the only public official that seems to have an aura about him that has absolutely no hint of that rotten taint all other politicians emit. How much do I like this guy? I would not be surprised if he can walk on water.
Thank God outgoing Senator Peter Fitzgerald had the gonads to follow through with his appointment of Patrick Fitzgerald as a U.S. Attorney even as he, Peter Fitzgerald, was viciously pummeled and denounced by all the corrupt Democrat and Republican politicians in Illinois. (I know, corrupt and politician is redundant)
If they would have fired him, we here in Chicago would have taken to the streets in a rage, except of course the local politicians, who would love to see him get canned, for fear he next discover their crimes.
fyi–
cspan1 @ 1250 live (according to their current schedule)
well-deserved and kudos to The Nation Institute!
http://www.nationinstitute.org/
Christy, I was wondering if you could say a few words about the apparent meddling of the AGs office in the cigarette case. I keep reading that the AG did nothing wrong, there is no legal problem, no evidence of wrongdoing of any kind. Yet I wonder if the interference in the cigarette case, to the point of: 1) writing a script for her closing argument and telling her she must read it verbatim, 2) lowering the $ amount of punitive damages, and 3)requesting that she regear her witnesses to soften their testimony, and 4) not put in provisions for the removal of the cigarette company officers, is not evidence of wrongdoing. Surely something is very wrong here! Sharon Eubanks quit her job in protest of all of this, yet people just shake their heads as they walk right on by. Is that because it’s wrong, perhaps even unethical, but not illegal?
For all our vaunted civilization, is it not amazing how much rests on Trust? How much rests on traditional values like “fair play” and “honor”?
What happens to rule of law when we can no longer trust the judge, the prosecutor, or the “facts of the case”? Kafka, anyone???
Great post, Christy. It amazes me how some people don’t see an inherent problem in politicizing all areas of our government. Remember when Bush said, “I’m a uniter, not a divider”? He’s become the most politically divisive President in my lifetime, and perhaps one of the most in our nation’s history. He has always framed “us against them” as how he sees everything in this world. Why anyone enabled him to lead our country is amazing to me.
Onto something off topic for a moment: since I brought up the disgusting Keith Richards story last night in TRex’s thread, I thought I should mention that Richards now says it was an April Fool’s joke. Hmmmm.
Conrad Burns (ex R-MT) was soooo sure that he wasn’t going to be investigated for his involvement with Jack Abrahmof. The US attorney for Montana is being promoted. Hmmmmm……
Students pelt Rove because of e-mailgate!!
http://www.rawstory.com/showou…..dlineclick
MSNBC
Democrat Barack Obama raises $25 million in the first quarter.
Christy, I’ve had a question for a long time and this post reminded me of it: is it possible that Fitz didn’t pursue his investigation not only because Libby “threw sand in the umpire’s eyes” but because Gonzo simply told him not to? Wouldn’t Fitz’s only choice then have been to resign or stay and keep his mouth shut? Would he have thought he could fight them better from the inside? I really am curious about this…
LS at 49 — You know, much as I loathe Rove, I’m not exactly excited about anyone pelting anyone. Perhaps it’s my prosecutor mindset, but I immediately think “assault and battery.” No matter how loathesome the target. But maybe that’s just me…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
Not just you…
dalloway at 51 — No, because Gonzales had to recuse himself from any authority on the case due to a conflict of interest. He had no oversight capacity and was “Chinese walled” from saying anything to Fitz about the case because of that conflict of interest.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
I’m not for violence of any kind. It does show, however, that students are aware and keeping up with news. None of them were arrested, so it couldn’t have been that bad I guess.
For Jane:
With much love.
conniptionfit @
37
People routinely misinterpret Machiavelli’s The Prince as a handbook for tyrants, when there is significant evidence that Machiavelli actually wrote it as either satire or as a poison pill.
And I stand, disgusted, with CHS on this: there is no place for the politicization of the Justice Department. I worked there, not as an attorney, and admired tremendously the lengths to which most, if not all civil service employees avoided politicization, and many of the political appointees did the same (under Attorney General Reno).
I was invited to apply for a senior IT position during this Administration, and I politely declined. There was no way I could face working with the politicals who have taken over DOJ.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
I draw the line at “pie in the face”!
dalloway @ 51
Not likely. Fitz doesn’t seem like the type that would stick around after something like that. I think what happened was that Fitz was going to indict Rove for lying about his conversation with Cooper, Rove pulled the Viveca Novak story out of his ass, Fitz delayed the indictment, and then Rove testified for the fifth time. At that point, Fitz had already indicted Libby. I think he made the tactical decision to hold off indicting Rove (OR he sealed the indictment, which would explain Sealed v Sealed) until Libby had been firmly nailed to the wall. I think he may still be trying to flip Libby, and there’s no point in going after Rove until Libby has either flipped or gone to jail. Fitz is a patient man, so I think he’d be quite willing to let Libby rot in jail for a little while before going after Rove.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
Ditto.
SOP W continues:
I’m sure someone else has suggested it, but Patrick Fitzgerald would make a SUPERB choice to be Attorney General for the next Democratic president. For one thing, he’s a Republican (maybe the only honest one left), which would help to restore the concept of impartiality.
Veritas78 @ 63
Actually, Fitz is a registered Independent.
Frank Probst @ 59
That thought gives me pause and joy.
Can anyone tell me why Libby got until May
to be sentenced…
These delays make no sense… cuz I’m really
impatient and want Bush IMPEACHED.
Time is of the essence except for getting
Cheney and Bush.
I don’t want drips, I want drabs and drabs.
Jack
What can Congress do wrt USAs like Griffin who were given interims without Senate confirmaton? Can W gum Congress to death & ride out his admin with these in place?
And KO made a great point why Bushie didn’t
attend Baseball’s opening day.
The guy is chicken shit and would have been
booed to smithereeeeens.
Why doesn’t he take up residence at an Army base… He’s going to Ft. Irwin but won’t
heave a ball as “Life begins on opening day”
From Powell:
Ah, but that internet thingy works both ways, as Josh Marshall’s tracking of the USA firings demonstrated. One local story here about a USA resignation is connnected with another local story there, and voila: Alberto Gonzales is spending his spring break practicing how to raise his right hand in front of a Congressional committee.
OT–
Maybe McCain shouldn’t have had that Sunday in the Park:
Frank Probst @59:
Right, except that Libby won’t go to jail, will he? He’ll play out his appeal for as long as possible and then Bush will pardon him, because if Libby flips, he takes down not only Cheney but Bush as well. If there’s a political firestorm, it’ll be during the presidential campaign, which will justify Bush retorting: “Partisan politics were behind this prosecution and I’m righting a grievous wrong done to a good man.” The true believers will lap that up and Mr. 30% doesn’t really give a damn about anybody else.
Thank you, thank you for the “My Cousin Vinny” clip. One of my favorite movies.
I think Fitz has pretty much fingered it all out. I get the feeling he is seeing who else is slithering out and tying it all together.
He’s going to prosecute them one by one until he gets to the top..
Margot at 71 — I tried, desperately, to find the “Oh yeah, you blend” clip. But, alas, I could not find it anywhere. So I had to settle for another amusing scene instead. *g*
sofistic @ 64
Fitz is not a member of the Independent party, he is unregistered, unaffiliated but that’s probably what you were saying.
Ed*ard Teller @ 15
Indiana is – well possibly – coming out of the Stone Age too, having defeated yesterday a ban of same-sex marriage.
I still smell a rat – and a possible 2008 election issue again.
(sorry – link won’t work)
Truthout article by William Fisher about an interview with Bruce Fein:
The Right Seeks to Rein In Presidential Power
EPU’ed from earlier thread:
Last night someone asked “what happens if no supplemental is passed?” And someone else thought the Idiot-in-Chief (hearafter referred to as the IIC) could “borrow the money from Social Security.”
No way the latter can happen, because CONGRESS appropriates the money not the IIC.
What can be done is that the Defense Department can move funds from one category in their appropriation to continue to pay for operations in Iraq. But IF they do that it will mean not paying for something else Defense needs to do.
If Defense runs out of money in one of the areas they borrowed from, the employees in that section will be furloughed until new funding is obtained (which they might not get until the new fiscal year starts in October 2007).
The Congress is not obligated to pass the Supplemental for funding the Occupation of Iraq. Previous Congresses have closed down funding to other military actions (see Somalia and Viet Nam) in the past.
Hey Christy Bruce Fein just did another interview about presidential power I see via(Truthout.org). In the past, I have always been ready to throw any vegetables I have(rotten or not)at Bruce while you have recommended toleration. Mabey I am coming around.
I think there should be an independent review of our recently ‘retired’ US att job performances then I think the White should ask those USAtt to come out of retirement and carry on with their investigations.
Yep, would nice….
Fresh breaking news thread for everyone. It’s looking like more of a horse race…
OT–Mitt Romney channels Nixon–has a secret plan to end Iraq war.
sofistic @ 64
We ought to start a fundraising drive based on that. Whenever someone falsely states that Fitz is a Republican is gently asked to donate $10 to Blue America (Fitz may not be a Dem, but we are). Call it something like “Fitz Chits” or something like that.
CEO at 78 — I don’t often agree with him on a lot of political philosophy, but Fein’s libertarian tendencies with regard to the “unilateral executive” idiocy and the impact of governmental power intersect quite a bit with my own philosophy in terms of tempering the power with a highly developed sense of trying to avoid excess and nastiness. It’s always interesting to read his take, I’ll say that, and is disgust for the Bush Administration’s self-serving legal interpretations is palpable pretty much all the time these days.
jackie @
79
Personally, I think we should recruit as many of the seven as possible to run in rethug districts as Dems.. or, heck, run ‘em as rethugs in ‘08. If Lam can oust Hunter I don’t care which party she runs for..
Oh, OT, but did anyone else interpret shrub’s statement that he’s doing enough on greenhouse emissions already as a statement that he intends to ignore/defy the US Supreme Court ruling? Isn’t that impeachable?
LaFourmiRouge @ 46
Can we trust the EPA to tell the truth about air quality in Manhattan after 9/11? Can we trust the FDA to tell the truth about whether imported poison wheat gluten was used to make food for human consumption?
Neil @
85
‘pends on whether ChemNutra is a rethug donor or not. I’d check with fundrace.com or the equivalent before you buy food :)
CEO @ 78
Maybe Bruce is.
What else did you expect? The nice thing about being a lame duck from W’s POV is that he can gum everything to death.
What troubles me the most about the dismissals is the possibility that one of them may have been done to head off an investigation of the AG himself for illegal spying on citizens of the USA. Why is more not made of this issue?
51 –
I’m not sure something like that couldn’t have happened. When Fitzgerald’s filings and Walton’s rulings made it very clear that Fitzgerald served at will, it was only about a month or so after that determination that the Rove matter was dropped and that was done pursuant to a letter that has still not been made public in any fashion.
I know that several of the litigators here thought that no one would “take away” the case from Fitzgerald, but it would be a nice thing to get cleared up and clarified in connection with the rest of the purge, i.e., a confirmation that there were no modifications, retractions, amendments, clarifications, etc. of the delegation of authority to the Spec Pros. Just to clarify.
If you look at just how intrusive DOJ has been about high profile matters involving people with less of a reputation for maintaining secrecy and confidentiality than Fitzgerald, you wonder. Who re-writes a lead atty’s closing for them, they way they did in the Tob. case? Pretty incredible.
And with respect to Lam’s super high profile invstigation of Foggo and Wilkes,
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..ilkes.html
Rejecting her indictments and shoving her out of office and it really is a fluke that much was done about this (and Kudos to Feinstein, who I haven’t always had warm fuzzies for, in pressing this and in having some of the best questioning).
I still remember Fitzgerald’s assertions that no one needed to have any concerns about the NSL (and other) provisions in the Pat Act bc, of course, there would always be some brave FBI whistleblower. Well, look what we’ve found out about the NSL abuses – and not from any whistleblower. Look what has happened to the FBI agent who did speak out about the Lam removal.
When and how do you choose, as an employee of the Dept of Justice, to abide by their rules, including chain of command, secrecy and classification and when do you speak out and risk not only your career, but if you are an attorney possible disbarrment and whether atty or FBI agent, possible criminal actions taken against you – all because too many people have fecklessly created an unchecked and destructive power in the Executive?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 76
Notice that they are calling for this now that the political winds have shifted? The Wingnutters are scared. Look at all the scandals and corruption that has been uncovered while they have been playing with a loaded deck. They can foresee a Democratic president asserting the same type of executive power weilding and are petrified.
It’s been a few years since I worked in the SEC as an enforcement attorney at one of their regional offices. I was there 11 years. All formal investigations from all offices, whether in DC or in the various regions, had to be approved by the Commission in closed door meetings.
Let’s start at the bottom of things. That meant, if you wanted just to subpoena documents, you had to first write a memo to the Commission requesting such authority.
But you did not send your memo directly to the Commission. You sent it in to the Regional Division Office in D.C. The Regional Division Office reviewed the memo and if it didn’t meet with their standards, whether factual or legal, it was sent back for additional editing. This could go on for quite some time depending on who was in power in the Regional Office back in D.C. All just for subpoena authority to begin with, but each time you wanted to move up the chain, eg enforcement of the subpoena to filing a civil lawsuit, a new memo full of facts and replete with impressive legal analysis, had to be prepared and submitted to DC, always going first to the Regional Office before ever being sent to the Commission. You often times had to fly into the Commission to be present when the Commissioners debated your memo.
And when you were requesting authority to file a civil lawsuit, you were required to provide the potential defendants with notice that you were doing just that and they had a right to file a written response to the Commission contesting your view of the case. These are/were called ‘Wells submissions.’
Any idea what a drag on SEC investigations in the regional offices this caused? I would bet that this centralization wrt investigations/prosecutions in the US Attorney’s Offices around the country has occurred in this administration. And there are 93 of those offices to review, not just the 10 or 12 SEC regional offices that I remember from my tenure there. The opportunity for byzantine procedures wreaking havoc on our justice system is enormous.
I have considered the problem of the FBI crime lab, and how having this in the hands of those who want to convict people can (and has) led to a skewing of the results. I’ve thought that maybe if it were separated from the police function it would be more impartial. Maybe it should be overseen by the courts, in the 3rd branch of government. Maybe the same thing for federal prosecutors. Election fraud is just as evil whether it favors one party or the other. And I don’t care if some fat cat donates to Dems or Repugs, if he’s cheating on the taxes, he should get the same treatment. Maybe we need a better system, in addition to better people — something structurally divorced from politics.
Sounds like Jackson feared the likes of Ken Starr.
Kick ass Harley men … what a joke. Those poseurs like the millions of others ride specially tamed junk entirely for show.
A real motorcycle is a wild thing that is for leaving sparks on the corners. Those guys have probably never been past 45 degrees.
It’s American Idol for motorcycles folks and you know most of em’ are just fat lawyers that are about as dangerous as a kittens.
PenGun at 95 — Trust me when I say that compared to Al D’Amato in a leather vest, these guys “kick ass.” *g*
Dave Maize @ 89. Are you the luthier? Way, way OT