
(Morteza Nikoubazl/Reuters)
Bush's week just gets worse and worse. The Democrats won't play nice and give him his war money with no strings attached, Dowdo and Goldilocks (all Bush nicknames have been simulated) have turned traitor, that noodge Waxman is sniffing around the RNC mailserver with the megasuperawesome domain name, and now Iran is trying to take his shiny new war away before he can even play with it:
Iran's president said Wednesday that the country had “pardoned” and would release the 15 British sailors and marines who have been held there for nearly two weeks.
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“They are free after this meeting and can go back to their families,” he said at a news conference in Tehran. The 15 Britons will be handed over to the British embassy in Tehran on Thursday, Iranian news agencies reported.
Well, crap. Not only does that remove a potential pretext, but it also adds Iran to the ever-growing list of Countries That Treat Their Prisoners Better Than We Do. Dick makes a heroic effort to salvage the situation, but I don't think it's going to be enough:
The U.S. cautiously welcomed Iran's announcement that it was releasing 15 British soldiers and sailors, though Vice President Dick Cheney said, ''It was unfortunate that they were ever taken in the first place.''
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''There's considerable evidence that they were, in fact, in Iraqi territorial waters when this happened,'' Cheney said Wednesday in an interview with ABC News, referring to Britain's denial of Iranian claims that the crew had entered Iranian waters and thus were taken legitimately.
''And so it's one of those events that should not have happened,'' he added. ''I think the Iranians were wrong to capture the sailors and it's good now that they have been released.''
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Cheney said he didn't know if those developments or others meant there had been any quid pro quo to secure the captives' release.
''I don't think there should have been,'' he said, echoing Bush's repeated statements. ''It's important that if you get into the business where you reward that kind of behavior, there'll be more of that kind of behavior.''
Cool! He just called the Iranians liars and terrorists! Well played, Mr. C, well played. But as the old schoolyard rhyme goes, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never provide sufficient rationale for a one-sided thermonuclear engagement."
Sorry guys. I'm afraid you're just going to have to go back to Dubya's original plan to stick a firecracker up Ahmadinejad's ass. Maybe you could put a UN logo on it or something.
Oh, and before I forget, I have a quick question on Iraq. Which is worse: the President who admits defeat, or the one who gift-wraps it? (Why yes, I am assuming that they're two different people - very astute of you to notice)
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Eli!
Bush must be terribly upset that the Iranians have taken away one of his excuses for going to war against Iran.
Gee Eli, has does it feel to be EPU’d by yourself?
dakine01 @ 3
Probably about the same as TRex talking to himself earlier!
Lots of speculation that the Iranians did a swap for one or more of theirs held in Iraq. Simultaneous releases are, of course, only a coincidence.
raven @ 5
Buh-dap-bump
raven @ 5
That was really scary just listening in!
dakine01 @ 4
To paraphrase Woody Allen, at least I’m EPU’d by someone I love.
Don’t they all look cute in their new Iranian duds?
Scott Horton, via Andrew Sullivan, via K-Drum, speculation that the deal involved return of 5 Iranians U.S. scooped up in Irbil awhile ago, and that they will be returned in another weeks or two. Sorta like Cuban missile exchange for missile in Turkey deal.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....011071.php
neurophius @ 3
I was trying to picture Cheney’s angry scowl as he gritted out “it’s good now that they have been released.”
Ken Mehlman
Millineryman @ 12
The Mehlserver.
Wow– they look healthy, happy and un-tortured.
I believe I see rosy cheeks!
How far we have fallen, thanks to the cabal and the rabble rousers.
The kidnapping of the Iranians never got the skeptical coverage it deserved in the corporate media. I wonder why?
angie @ 13
There are idiots both in the UK and here screaming about how the captives behaved. Remember the Pueblo court martial.
you’re right Eli, he is havin a bad week
hope he don’t take it out on the the peeps (no no I mean easter candy) in crawford?
Ironyesc8psem @ 17
I don’t mind if he takes it out on his inner circle. Just keep him away from the Big Red Button.
Eli @
13
The Maleserver?
Oh, those peeps. I don’t really see Dubya as a peep-eatin’ kinda guy…
Eli @
11
Oh lord, that one sounds like it comes with a six pack of Ex-Lax.
Eli @ 20
No he’d blow them up with firecrackers.
Isacoff on Joe.
I’m curious as to what they’ll say in English TV versus Iranian TV. No doubt in the latter they said what they were told to say. But still, it didn’t look as if they were in any kind os psychological distress. I’ll gues they were say they were well treated which will piss off the neocons bigtime.
I’m afeared that they are just doing what they do so well…ratcheting it up…demonizing ahead of time so that when we finally push ‘em into a confrontation, the US citizenry will know it was Iranian perfidy.
well lets see: he has already nuked the republican party and most of them are so dazed and confused that they still support him. Oh an he probably eats the yaller ones (peeps).
In one interview, three of the Brits said the Iranian food they’d been eating was delicious, the best food they’d had in years.
This is being framed as Iran backing down.
Neil @ 27
hmmmm was haliburton in charge of feeding the british military too?
I don’t think I have ever witnessed such a fine happy bunch of well dressed soldier hostages.
It looks better than Habeas… Why do Iranians love the English?
Looks like you got punk’d on the Rove story hun ;)
http://www.timesfreepress.com/.....;zoneid=77
Looks like you got punk’d on the Rove/Coptix story hun ;)
http://www.timesfreepress.com/.....;zoneid=77
Is there an echo in here?
When I turned the teevee on this morning and saw that he was giving us an Easter present I smiled the biggest smile. Then when Obama did so well surpassing Hillary’s donations, I felt like may be the tides a changing…..
Run Al Run
Respective of the latest development in the Iranian situation, I’d love to say I’d like to be a fly on the wall when Dick, Karl and George are plotting their next move. But I’m too terrified to want to. I don’t think we know even a fraction of what’s going on.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
Ever
Crap. A drunk driver just killed the director of A Christmas Story.
And, um, Porky’s.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
I’d like to be a fly on the wall with a state-of-the-art tape recorder.
The Iranians are playing politics much better than the British and the Bushies are right now. You can expect them to start pointing out how well they took care of their prisoners in this case, too. Expected talking point: Tehran vs Guantanamo Bay. In propaganda terms, I’d say they’re way ahead right now.
Eli @ 37
I’m old enough to remember reading the story when it first appeared in Playboy. That’s A Christmas Story by Jean Shepherd. I have no idea in hell who wrote Porky’s.
Eli @ 37
Bummer. Those were both great movies.
Frank Probst @ 39
That’s a great point.
Eli @ 38
I’m greedy: state of the art videorecorder
raven @ 28
Let’s see how long that lasts.
1) Bush tells lies.
2) Media reports Bush lies as news.
3) Two to four weeks later, the facts emerge. On page whatever.
4) Back to 1).
P.S. Expect August prices for gasoline, in May.
Frank Probst @ 39
Not so much of a challenge, really, all things considered. (edit- I mean not so difficult)
Sorry, Dick, a look at both the British and the Iranian maps suggests that whichever side of the line they were on, they were very near it. The border used to be delineated with buoys, but it hasn’t been maintained in recent years (how could that happen?) so it’s iffy even with a clearly defined coastline. Which that part of the Persian Gulf isn’t, being lots of ever-shifting mud flats. This BBC article was informative. Dick didn’t read it, apparently.
Veritas78 @ 46
This is like Kerry In Cambodia all over again…
raven at 16 says:
I haven’t seen this– can you point me in the right direction or further explain?
I really love that Mr. anything-but-diplomacy Bolton’s remarks in yesterday’s Guardian are so revealing of bush’s and the cabal’s discomfiture and it seems that Syria is “off the table” too!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/mili.....mp;feed=11
wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
angie — digby talks about criticism of the sailors.
Yeah, Shooter oughta know about getting into business with Iran. And what happens when you reward bad behavior.
Has he cut loose from Halliburton yet?
Bolton must have been SO ashamed of how Bushie handled that spy plane captured by China back in Year 1, then.
and of course ole walrus face (bolton) ever the authoritarian. hmmmm he doesn’t understand that Americans (finally) are getting fed up with all the death and carnage.
SamFromUtah @ 51
I read Cheney’s comment, and Bush’s, as being a non-denial denial. They didn’t say it didn’t happen; only that it shouldn’t have happened.
i wrote a letter to iran’s un ambassador today to thank them for releasing the british soldiers…..it’s not the best written letter, but it’s a letter just the same….was trying to be careful to not condone what they did, but thank them for letting them go….the un ambassador’s email was the only one i could find……
write your own letters to him if you want, about how we don’t want a war with iran……or anyone else for that matter. i am not by any means pro-iranian government, but wanted to encourage them to keep up the dialogue instead of listening to war mongering.
used to know people from iran, loved them to death, they have relatives there and i hate the thought of war with them……or any more war for that matter……i see people as people, same as me.
sweet dreams of peace someday, everyone. ‘nite.
thanks Scarecrow @ 50. ;(
It’s good to see that Digby mentioned John McCain.
that is a good letter and a great idea, dmac!
Valley Girl @ 49
“The Maine”
“Gulf of Tonkin”
So diplomacy is like a reward? He all but called it ransom.
OT
Keith did a report on the UA students vs. KKKarl. He indicated that he thought violence was not alright. According to this dailykos diary there was NO violence. I emailed Countdown with the url. Maybe you guys could do the same if you agree.
Eureka Springs @ 58
I read it as a near-exact mirror of the “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” language.
dmac: That’s a beautiful and heartfelt letter that you wrote, about the sailors’ release. Bless you.
angie @
56
Where’s Winston
eli at 37
And, um, Porky’s.
and Turk 182, that movie changed how i look at things. and loose cannons was funny.
Well, that was about as close as you get to a textbook diplomatic resolution. Neither side loses face, Iran gets to grandstand, Blair gets to say he never conceded a thing, the troops go home.
Plus, it left Yosemite Bolton stewing and muttering about cowardly Brits, even though the resolution made him look like a warmongering tool. That man is to diplomacy what Pammycakes is to sobriety.
can a mod email me STAT? (please :)
kmurphy riseup net
Ironyesc8psem @ 57
The Pueblo wasn’t made up like the other two were.
Raven @ 66 Point taken, however, had MacArthur gotten his way we would have nuked China.
Thanks raven @ 62– Peters is an ass.
Eli @ 37
The drunk driver had no license and Clark’s son was also killed.
angie @ 68
Yeah. Just a delightful story all the way ’round. I hate drunk drivers.
raven @ 66
With news in the ME…we should be talking about the USS Liberty:
http://video.google.com/videop.....0652018859
Ironyesc8psem @ 67
Yea but that was way before the Pueblo. I was “on the ground” in Korea when that happened in 68 and one of the reasons we were not able to help the Pueblo was that we didn’t have any aircraft equipped with conventional weapons close enough to get there in time.
Until the British sailors and Marines are safely home, the only appropriate comment from any American leader is “NO COMMENT.” If any harm comes to the U.K. servicemen and -woman during their trip back to Heathrow, Cheney should be held responsible.
He is an idiot to inject himself into this discussion, especially at the delicate time of repatriation, unless of course he’s just so fucking pissed he didn’t get his war that he can’t contain himself.
Oh, to enjoy the jollity of the Crawford Ranch this evening! Bush is pissed, having his fourth highball, and everyone else is on edge, even the Secret Service. Laura’s gone to bed early, in her own room, Barney’s developed a fascination with the basement, and there isn’t a pretzel in the place. “Fuck awla yuz! Jus’ fuck yerselves!”
Good times!!
Mary McCurnin @ 59
I was going to but didn’t have the url handy. Thanks. Will do.
TeddySanFran @ 72
Well, it depends on what you think his desired outcome is.
I just can’t get over the wankstains who were accusing the British servicepeople of cowardice because they didn’t start Cheney’s next war for him.
Absolutely contemptible. Pasty, flaccid excuses for men. Wankstains.
More encouraging words from the Master.
AP - President Bush said Wednesday he knows the nation is weary of war and wondering if the U.S. can win. Still, he said efforts to pull troops home from Iraq only make the U.S. more vulnerable to attack from an enemy that is “pure evil.”
THe WaPo has the Goodling’s lawyer letter up. I was just reading the comment section and she is someone they want to see in front of the Committees. They are ripping her up.Link
It appears the Iranians are cooperating with the US wrt to the missing ex-FBI guy — WaPo story.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
Leaving aside the question of whether we *should* or not, if we withdrew all our troops from the Middle East and stopped supporting Israel, we would never be attacked by Islamic terrorists ever again.
(I’m not even sure the “stop supporting Israel” part is necessary)
Eli @
47
I wonder if Shooter’s source for the “considerable evidence” about whose territorial waters the Brits were in the is the same source who told him there was “considerable evidence” Saddam had WMDs?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
PURE evil-now with Orange Freshness!
OT, but we were talking about Matthew Dowd earlier…here’s a very perceptive (I thought) commentary by Sidney Blumenthal just up on Salon.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/b.....thew_dowd/
Raven@71 I was way off, apologies to both you and Valley Girl @ 57.
Scarecrow @
54
I worry that shooter’s very fuzzy statements are a lead up to the following: Now we put one of our own ships into the same sort of position and provoke another reaction from the Iranians. Since they were “rewarded” once they provide “more of that kind of behavior”. But this time they won’t be dealing with the wussy Brit’s but REAL MEN who KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS SORT OF thing. Gulf of Tonkin all over again.
Shooter’s bummed because they took away his Tonkin Toys.
PeteCO @ 76
PeteCO -
Perfect.
(and sounds as though it may spoken by a Brit - all the more delicious)
As Tom Hagen said to Dubya this evening,
“Ahmadinejad played this one beautifully.”
realworld @ 86
I considered tacking something on to the post along the lines of a suggestion that they might start giving bad maps to American soldiers operating near the border, to make *sure* they stray into Iranian territory.
Kirk—ygm
From 3/30
http://www.informationclearing.....e17449.htm
RBG @ 91
Thanks RBG. Replied to your 7:00 at 7:07. will recheck.
Eli @ 90
Eli, the problem is there is no such thing as a map which shows an internationally agreed border for that body of water. As far as international law goes I suspect the Iranians could claim their border ends at the low tide mark in the Iraqi side. Once upon a time they had a border but Iraq decided they didn’t like it and started (and lost) a war. Since then there has been no agreement.
OT: But This feels a little like the take down done on Dan Rather in 2004.
realworld @ 95
I was surprised that so many people found it plausible that Rove would be walking around with a Coptix brochure. Even if there was a connection, it would be on the down-low, and besides, Rove would have people taking care of that for him.
kirk murphy @
93
Nada here.
kirk murphy @ 88
Guilty. I guess it was “wankstains” that gave it away. You don’t hear that a lot in Denver.
Totally OT, but this clip of Gingrich apologizing for his slur against Spanish as a ghetto language is priceless: Gingrich speaks perfect Gringo Spanish. If you don’t speak Spanish, the subtitles will allow you to enjoy the irony of what he’s saying, in the worst accent ever.
OT– replay of Jimmy Carter’s presser on cspan1.
Just saw Nancy and her visit to Syria on Al Arabiya on cspan. Heartily recommend and both will be replayed starting at 2:17 am EDT.
Veritas78 @ 99
Does he say “I’m sorry if anyone took offense” in Spanish?
Frank Probst @
39
I saw a quote, can’t remember who:
“The Americans are playing checkers, and the Persians are playing chess.”
Shah-mat.
RBG @ 97
resent 7:29
Veritas78 @ 99
KO ran a clip of it tonight. Things continue to get weirder.
kirk murphy @ 103
you could have said “I resent that”
punaise @ 105
I resemble that remark…
Cheney should shut the fuck up.
Eli @ 101
that’s really funny. My brother’s wife is from PR. We were with the Puerto Rican clan Christmas before last, and I was really amused to hear his Puerto Rican accent when he spoke Spanish, particularly the dropping of the esses “Como e’ta?” “‘ta bien.” An Argentinian friend just went off to Bar
thcelona, where the accent couldn’t be more different.The codpiece was in LA today attending a fundraiser in Brentwood. I heard the heavy Army choppers going over. I wonder when this fundraiser was organized, because I believe that Kerry was in Brentwood also today attending a book signing at the Duttons there on San Vicente Blvd. Interesting coincidence, I think.
tommy yum @ 107
Cheney hates America.
LOL!
And dmac, I liked your letter.
AZ Matt @ 110
It’s pretty much mutual at this point.
OT (again): Anyone have any thoughts about who we might encourage to go after Meehan’s seat MA-5? While a solid blue district there are lots of names floating around but none of them I’ve heard seem to be really solid progressives. Perhaps we should think about getting behind someone on Blue America.