Why is it that real life can't be a well-scripted as a West Wing episode? I selected the clip above for a reason, and not just because the scenes with Leo and Jed are some of my favorites over the course of the entire run of the series. Lately, I have been combing through position papers and issue statements and tactical maneuverings…the stuff of modern politics…and wondering just exactly what, if anything, any of the Presidential candidates on either side of the aisle really and truly stand FOR?
Honestly, how does one break through all the layers of public projection and preening and political posturing for public consumption to get to the real, unnuanced, unvarnished core? Do we really want to do so — or does this "best of all possible worlds" hope for a dream candidate to sweep me off my feet romantic notion of the "perfect candidate" make it next to impossible for the Democrats to field anyone who can win the general election? How can you know?
I am certainly with Leo on this, though: I desperately want a candidate for whom I can be completely happy to pull my voting lever. The "hold your nose and vote" level of candidacy does not work for me, and I have written in a name more than once in my voting lifetime for that reason.
What got me thinking about all of this today was a profile of Barack Obama's chief political strategist, David Axelrod, in the NYTimes Magazine, a news article primarily about the Edwards campaign, and all of the fundraising news of the last couple of days.
We are at a political crossroads of a sort at the moment: who are we as a nation; what is our commitment to our fundamental, core principles; and which of these do we hold as important going forward into America's future? And at the center of this is a yearning, at least for me: for a leader, a real one. One who looks not just to the expedient now in terms of what they think I want to hear, but what I and generations to come will need much, much further down the road. One who looks to the least of these, and not just the monied cronies and what they want for all that campaign cash (nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever free in politics).
And, for the love of all that is holy, I want a candidate with a spine. Someone who will stand up for what is right, but who will also have the courage and the character to listen — really listen — to criticism, to opposing opinions, and to outside counsel from real people and not just Beltway Bubble types. Because life goes on outside the Beltway all the time, and we should never, ever let them forget that.
But it was this from the Edwards article that really grabbed at me and wouldn't let go:
A candidate with a personal narrative tends to have more appeal than one with a vast, though bloodless, collection of position papers, said Paul E. Begala, part of the team of advisers who turned Bill Clinton from a policy wonk into "the man from Hope." Mr. Begala, now a professor at the Georgetown Public Policy Institute, added that "one of the enduring problems of the Democrats" in the last two elections was "leading from the head and not the heart."
Mr. and Mrs. Edwards’s situation, Mr. Begala said, will animate the health care proposal that was already central to Mr. Edwards's candidacy and widely praised for its specificity. That proposal, Mr. Begala added, was driven in part by Mrs. Edwards's original diagnosis and treatment, and says to 2008 voters that his focus on health care is as personal as it gets.
All of these political consultants cited the current yearning among American voters for authenticity and character in a candidate and agreed that Mr. Edwards, without exploiting his family situation, has a singular opportunity in a crowded field.
Mr. and Mrs. Edwards understand the power of narrative from his days as a plaintiffs' lawyer who could move a jury to award an enormous judgment with the tale of a child maimed because of a defective $1 widget. That human connection was missing from the Kerry/Edwards campaign in 2004, Mrs. Edwards said at the Cleveland luncheon when one voter asked how the Democratic ticket managed to lose Ohio and thus the election.
She said every lost job in the state and every unsecured chemical plant should have been translated into a story about a real person unable to feed a family, pay for health insurance or feel safe in a world besieged by terrorists. "Our storytelling," she said, "needs to improve." (emphasis mine)
Amen. As I read through the article on the fellow who is a key advisor to Obama, I was at times both intrigued and appalled — because it was a sort of cross-section between Hollywood casting and narration, and tugging at emotions that for far too long have been ignored by the simpletons that we call Democratic operatives these days. And yet, there were so many shades of Rove that it started to give me the willies. But how do you defeat something and someone like Rove and his machine without handing them a taste or two of their own medicine? Can it — or should — be done? I just don't know.
But these are the questions we ought to be asking ourselves now. As we start to look at the men and women who may be askng us to trust them with the Presidency. And what they ought to be asking themselves.
Two more West Wing clips and then I'll open the floor. This first one is one of my favorite moments, talking about the desperate need for spine among Democratic politicians and strategists. Lordy, I must say something like this at least twice a week, if not more (but the scripting on the West Wing is better). The second is an introduction to the obsessive nature of "the math."
I would love to have a discussion this morning about all of this, because I really need to get some perspective from a few more thoughtful folks on this. And this is just the place to do that.
Related posts:





Spotlight








Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
Advanced search

Christy!!!
Morning Mutant — congrats on the zed.
Good morning Christy, hope all is well with you and your family.
I know Bill Clinton has his flaws and tried at times to appeal to everybody, but he was smart, he understood that issues weren’t always simple, but fought back when he was attacked so he didn’t look like he was weak.
One of his gifts was storytelling, and I agree – storytelling is key. It’s on the candidates and us to have a narrative that makes sense – that connects the $100 less someone might pay in taxes now each year with the $500 more they pay for gas, or the donut hole their parents face in their prescription drug benefit.
The Bushies would kill a person and brag about how they reduced his blood pressure; we need to paint the complete picture – all of us – and share it, like Marcy’s feuilletons, to get our country back.
Good morning, Christy and pups.
The two most beautiful words in the English language are: in remission.
Give me a candidate who stands for smart health care, sound scientific research, and environmental stewardship.
[Meanwhile, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush’s annointee, is trumpeting the global jihad via his press flack…stay very afraid, America….]
More later…scrambling to start the Sunshine family day.
Coffee!
…and I’d add, by the way, that every story will need to anticipate and innoculate against the GOP response, which will be some form of “BOO!” – They’ll raise your taxes, they’ll invite al qaeda into your living room, they’ll let illegal immigrants take your job, they’ll let homosexuals (gasp!) recruit your children, etc.
See my parenthetical, Mutant Poodle…the “BOO!” has begun….
Prairie Sunshine @ 4
Yay!
Now I am off for a spell. Still dark here in LA.
I’m thinking that I may run for pres on the R ticket. I’ve never registered as a member of either party.
I could pander to every single crowd I spoke to, with advance info on what they wanted to hear. I could be an anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-God, anti-brown people, pro-gun, Iran-hatin’ Republican hero.
Then in my inauguration speech, I’ll tell ‘em – I lied.
That third clip on the math — that’s the real thing. That’s what it looks like for those of you FirePups who haven’t actually worked for a campaign. I even can smell the copy paper in the boxes. And I know some of the same words came out of my mouth last fall.
There is no escaping the math, because we have to allocate our resources efficiently. We only have so much money, so many bodies, limited skill sets among these volunteers; they have to be spread where they will have the most bang for the buck, in sync with changing facts on the ground if your candidate(s) and issue(s) will win.
A simple mis-allocation of a handful of people may have cost us the mere 300 votes we needed to win a Senate majority in our state legislature — and our state government may shut down next month because of that lapse in the math last November. It’s that important.
But…there are NO resources to allocate if there is not a compelling and authentic candidate with a gripping story that motivates the base to donate money and time, and further motivates them to get out and vote.
We were not competitive in a seat we should have won because we lacked a compelling candidate. We were no competitive in another because the candidate couldn’t create the compelling frame and story on which to reach out to voters. Forunately, in both cases the seats didn’t cost us a majority. This time.
We have to be able to do it all, recruit, groom, run the compelling candidate, create the frames around compelling life stories, and do the math. We are being pasted by people who do it all; good God, look at how Matthew Dowd bought hook, line, sinker that Bush was a great guy?? Look at how Rove spun the numbers for the same so-called great guy.
Essentially, we all of us have to be a team, with some specialists on the numbers and others on framing stories and yet others working the candidates. Go team, kick ass!
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
all kinds of big people questions in this post Christy – and I’m gonna respond in a minute
but
Prairie Sunshine- yep, caught that act yesterday – the murderous pap he was spewing combined with that wholesome, earnest visage had me thinking Bob Roberts – be very afraid indeed
and
the latest rat to disembark -Meghan O Sullivan
I give you Swopadamus -
6/06
Needlenose
I remember being a freshman at Texas, standing on a hill by the LBJ Museum, surrounded by thousands of fellow students, and listening to Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Tipper Gore and Ann Richards. Part of that day was about the story Bill Clinton told. Part of that day was about the narrative the crowd created.
That is why I like Edwards and Obama – they are both able to create a shared experience among their supporters.
Prairie—re in remission, did we miss something, are you referring to yourself?
The most authentic, honest, truthful, and tenacious is the one that we hear about least: Dennis Kucinich! He’s the only one who has done his research and stood his ground in relation to Iraq. He also has formulated many bills and plans which have gone largely unnoticed by all media outlets. There are instances when he may not be the most articulate, but he does speak from the heart with common sense and reason. But that’s my opinion; form yours at http://kucinich.us/
Thank you Christy,
I SO miss the WW. That was my alternative parallel universe that I clung to for the first 6 years of the atrocity that has been playing out in the WH. I have the whole set of them and while the series went downhill when Sorkin left, it still was better than anything else on tv. period.
We want someone we can trust. Not someone who says “trust me.” I too am tired of holding my nose when voting. Year after year after year, that’s all I can remember—including CLinton.
Howard Dean did it for me once upon a time, but by the time the primary came in MA he had washed out. Pity.
I would hate to see that the only place we can find the candidates we want is in the mind of Aaron Sorkin.
Good Morning Christy and all. I agree with the story telling and that is one of the reasons I connected with Bill Clinton and the primary reason I connected to Edwards in 04. It is important that the Democratics candidate and more importantly the actual President we elect continually refresh and reflect his or her connection to the reality that is everyday outside the cloistered Washington, DC. I can only see Edwards coming close at this point but I may be surprised. I am still kind of depressed about Gore standing out as he would be one that would thrill me to pull the lever for once again. This is a good dialogue to keep alive and something we should constantly keep in the fore as we listen to and evaluate the candidates.
RevDeb at 14 — I miss it, too. But I’ve decided that we get the candidates we tolerate — and so henceforth, I’m having higher expectations. Period.
Oh foo. Must be a cosmic hint to go to work. I’m in mod. [sigh]
looseheadprop around? Wondered what she thought of Judge Ware in the 9th district ordering the Marines to discharge a conscientious objector…in San Diego…
Heard any buzz about Ware?
The boy king will be bashing dems from the rose garden @ 1000 am this morning.
perhaps whatever i have to say is totally irrelevant but kucinich, obama and edwards – in that order – constitute my dream preference
kuchnich lacks the charisma and the money pull to make it
obama may get symbolically/nominally closer to dr king’s dream if only the electorate would know to respect abilities but then again the boy king got elected in 2004 despite all that stuff in ohio and that’s democracy
edwards may pull as the running mate to obama
if the boy who would be king decides to go into iran, it may vey very well be hlh
Fallenmonk at 15 — Absolutely right. This is something that needs to be discussed, and often, until Democratic candidates internalize it and all of the operatives who don’t understand the human need involved here are marginalized. If we don’t start working from a new paradigm in how our party interacts with the public as a whole, we’ll continue to lose Presidential elections. And, as Mr. ReddHedd said to me just the other day: if the Democrats don’t win the Presidency in 2008, they will never win. Things are truly that bad right now for the GOP.
Off topic-
There is a great post on The Carpetbagger Report from a couple of days ago about the mainstream media’s (specifically Time magazine’s) ignoring the prosecutor purge scandal.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…..10367.html
What explains the failure of the mainstream media to cover the purge scandal for so long, and so many other scandals? Do you think somebody just set up newspaper editors to cheat on their wives, and threatened to tell if the editors wouldn’t play ball when they come back some day and ask for something?
It wouldn’t be that hard to do, when you think about it. People wouldn’t talk about it.
Also check out a new post on my blog.
http://www.aquietevening.blogspot.com
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
I’m with you on that. Which is why so many of us volunteered for Ned.
OT – but did anybody see the WaPo article on the Niger forgeries? Not a bad recap from what I know, and it’s about time this issue was brought back to the public consciousness.
Now to read the post.
egregious — Well, both The Peanut and I have a cold. But I may have some news for everyone in a little while about an opportunity that has cropped up for me. Soon as I’ve got details nailed down, you guys will be the first to know… (Sorry, I know that’s an evil teaser, but I’m working on it.)
funny, my favorite presidents are not even running
gore of course
feingold of course
now all of a sudden I want waxman…of course
and now, all of a sudden I want palosi
of course
Excellent post, Ms. Hardin Smith. The emotional factor in elections has long been ignored by the Dems and needs to be resurrected.
The current crop of Repukes is so bad and corrupt and the stories of what they’ve done to the middle class and the poor in this country are many and should be trumpeted by the Democrats.
As for Rove, you said:
But how do you defeat something and someone like Rove and his machine without handing them a taste or two of their own medicine? Can it — or should — be done? I just don’t know.
As my father used to say, “Sometimes you just have to swing an ax.” There are times that one has to fight fire with fire.
I am not suggesting lying and such in campaigns, but I do suggest the Dems get tough with the slanderous repukes and their minions. That includes the media.
I’m thinking Pelosi has the right stuff AND she understands the game very, very well.
The media, if they were decent and honest and competent, would be telling those stories — of people falling out of the middle class through no fault of their own, of job loss and downward motion, of catastrophic health care costs, of people dying for want of existing but unaffordable medication, of out of reach education for the able, of the results of inattention to environmental protection. But they don’t and they won’t. These people just do not show up inside the beltway or in high priced bars and if the reporters went out to find them the editors and producers would not put the story on the air.
A candidate can do some of the work, but needs to do other things as well — like say that none of this is going to be fixed if the USA is trying to militarily dominate the whole world at spectacular cost. Some of us are going to have to tell the stories. Maybe we should all try to find one or two and publish them on ‘the tubes’ and anthologize them in books, that candidates can point to and say here is what I would do about these problems.
Christy—
That sounds intruiging. We’ll be waiting to hear about whatever it is!
OT: But this topic does bring up the question of fundraising. I noticed that the roots project thermometer on this site hasn’t moved in a while. Are we really doing so little to support bringing some light to our political world? Or are the site host just behind in updating the graphic? In any case: Go FDL! Come on pups we need the site. Help out!
im4mary @
15
I like Kucinich too. I don’t know why he doesn’t get treated like a real candidate.
Did anyone see the front page of the Times today? Article saying that the McCain trip to the market was a total fraud.
well, huh… seems like we might have released one of the Iranian diplomats we seized.
will wonders never cease? Imagine that! “Diplomacy”!
Robert at 30 — I do wonder why more of these stries aren’t being told or why, when they are, they get relegated to page A-17 below a Lord and Taylor ad. It seems to me that in an age of falling news subscriptions for print media, they would want to do more “human interest” bits to grab readership. But that’s just me, I suppose. SIGH
OldCoastie @ 29
the president is going to have another pissy fit in front of the TEEvee today from the rose garden
he’s going to TRY to slam congress for “not giving the troops money”
when in fact of all facts, they HAVE given the troops money
I LOVED it last time when palosi said in one breath; (paraphrased)
“we are extending the hand of friendship and telling the presidident to calm down, this is a NEW congress and we respect his constitutional obligations, he needs to respect ours”
MAN what a slap down that was, I know she’s going to be ready with ANOTHER slap down today and I am waiting with baited breath (so to speak)
I would love to be on her staff of script writers, I would love her to add;
“the president, with his remarks today has told us in no uncertain terms that politics is more important to him then supporting our troops.
the bill he is claiming he will veto gives the president all the funding he needs and more..and he has the nerve to say it’s congress that is not funding these men and women in our armed forces”
I would love her to do on;
“the American polulace is no longer fooled by his transparent attacks, if he chooses to leave our military with no funding, the American people know exactly who they are going to blame”
and I would LOVE to see her go here;
“the president wants congress to abandon it’s SWORN obligation to our constitution.
whether or not the president is bound by his oaths of office has no bearing on our oath, we in congress are bound by our oath and we will fullfill those sacred vows regardless of the president’s parsing the intention of this congress”
and more but it would take too long
anyway, palosi and feingold do the best job I’ve seen smacking those talking points down and I can’t wait to see her do it again today
get youtube ready cuz corporate media will give her as little air as they can get away with
my personal fav YouTube West Wing clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
smackin’ down the winger radio host.
Oh boy. President Bush has scheduled a presser for 10 am this morning. That should be…erm…interesting.
Just finished watching a program on C-Span2 titled “Costs of Iraq War” held 3-23-07 as a City Univ. of NY Teach-In. Participants included Ray McGovern, Chris Hedges & a couple of others.
Highly recommend if it’s shown again.
Real leadship would bring the “War on Drugs” to an end:
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=9286922
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
not.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 38
hehe…I beatcha to it;
perris @
the president is going to have another pissy fit in front of the TEEvee today from the rose garden
he’s going to TRY to slam congress for “not giving the troops money”
when in fact of all facts, they HAVE given the troops money
I LOVED it last time when palosi said in one breath; (paraphrased)
“we are extending the hand of friendship and telling the presidident to calm down, this is a NEW congress and we respect his constitutional obligations, he needs to respect ours”
MAN what a slap down that was, I know she’s going to be ready with ANOTHER slap down today and I am waiting with baited breath (so to speak)
I would love to be on her staff of script writers, I would love her to add;
“the president, with his remarks today has told us in no uncertain terms that politics is more important to him then supporting our troops.
the bill he is claiming he will veto gives the president all the funding he needs and more..and he has the nerve to say it’s congress that is not funding these men and women in our armed forces”
I would love her to do on;
“the American polulace is no longer fooled by his transparent attacks, if he chooses to leave our military with no funding, the American people know exactly who they are going to blame”
and I would LOVE to see her go here;
“the president wants congress to abandon it’s SWORN obligation to our constitution.
whether or not the president is bound by his oaths of office has no bearing on our oath, we in congress are bound by our oath and we will fullfill those sacred vows regardless of the president’s parsing the intention of this congress”
and more but it would take too long
anyway, palosi and feingold do the best job I’ve seen smacking those talking points down and I can’t wait to see her do it again today
get youtube ready cuz corporate media will give her as little air as they can get away with
***
[Modnote: if you open italics with em you need to close with /em, thanks]
I’m getting a HUGE kick out of Watertiger’s series of photos of Nancy and junya.
one of many.
poke around a bit – there are many more amusing ones.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 38
Would someone please ask him why no one in his family will serve in his war?
i’m begining to think that the environment our political class live in does not make for decent (let alone good) leaders – or even people who can recognize (let alone connect) with the lives of people harmed by their policies.
there is something so inherently descructive…. decent people go to DC and loose some part of their soul. maybe it’s a similar process to what zimbardo describes: it’s hard to be a cucumber in a pickle barrel.
anyway, the point i’m trying to make is that i think our problem isn’t just about the the people running for office (or how their running for office) – there’s something systemic and toxic going on.
….
so how can we change this environment? maybe one way is via the media environment – and here christy and all of fdl are doing an amazing job.
So good, it had to be repeated:
Rayne @
11
Thanks, Rayne! (And good morning, everyone!)
Mutant Poodle @
7
The ridiculous thing is that it’s the Republicans who are most likely to create those possibilities with their short sighted”policies”. Hell, I don’t have any idea what they mean when they talk about the”Homosexual Agenda”, but after the way they rail against it, I’m startin’ to think that maybe we ought to get one!
So how do we innoculate against these responses without getting there first? Because does it mean that adopting the rethugs story telling makes us like THEM? ‘Cause, you know, ick.
Christy Hardin Smith @
38
Oh, goody! Is he gonna stamp his widdle feet and forget to use his inside voice again?
now, about this post -
always reassuring for me to be on the same page as any of our front pagers here – and this very thing has been on my mind for sometime now
In addition to the herculean tasks ahead for us all just to get back what we had – have been thinking whoever it is, is going to have to reach out and charge us all with engaging in the process – call me pollyanna, but we are back to a place similar to the beginning of the republic where citizens conciously had a hand in their government and must actively participate in keeping it accountable
It is incumbent upon a front runner to realistically communicate to the populace just how close we’ve come to losing the form of government bequeated to us by the Founders – a real leader will not indulge in stagecraft but charge us all with exercising citizenship
I loved Nancy’s “take a breath, Mr President.” To paraphrase Dennis Farina in Midnight Run, “George, Make yourself a sandwich, drink a glass of milk… Do some fuckin’ thing.”
I really thought Edwards was going to bring the narrative to the Kerry campaign, especially after his “hope is on the way” speech, but they never got it done. Others were trying to construct the narrative for them, but they never owned it.
Georgesimian @ 33.
I would hope that the American people will take it upon themselves to learn about the candidates without the corporate media spin. As a previous poster stated, Kucinich doesn’t have ‘charisma’, but I’m not sure that’s what I want in the next President. I want someone who says what he/she believes, not what he/she thinks ‘we’ want to hear. Dennis has stayed true to his message/standards. I don’t want a mythical messiah; I want a reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent person who is willing to do the work it takes to make a sound decision. Given the current list of candidates, Dennis is the only one who has consistently done so. Hopefully, grassroots discussions will promote his message more effectively and under the proverbial radar such that he will be successful. I know it’s a long shot, but stranger things have happened!
I was so disappointed in the Kerry-Edwards campaign yet, if I had been asked after Kerry won the Iowa caucus, I would have said that his involvement with the VVAW would have prevented him from being ever being elected. That being said I still think that his “handlers” were the ones that killed his chances. If you have not seen “Going Up River, the Long War of John Kerry” or “Winter Soldier” you should. Here were two films that captured the personal narrative of Kerry and why he did what he did in a very compelling fashion. When I contacted the Winter Film Collective they told me that the Kerry campaign asked them not to re-release the film before the election. “Going Upriver” came out too late, October 1st, 2004, to make a difference. Instead, Kerry adopted that stupid “reporting for duty” shtick that was apparently designed to appeal to a broader base of voters. So, instead of people learning why Kerry was who he was and did what he did he was left with this image that the SBVT and Rovers created. ference.
I too yearn for a champion. Unfortunately, I don’t think the process allows for it.
The person we need to lead us won’t surface from a system that requires eating bad chicken salad at 100 rotary clubs in Iowa, tiptoeing through a minefield of potential Russert gotcha moments for 18 months and begging for hundreds of millions of dollars from people interested in farming the federal government.
We have to change the system by shortening the season and providing public financing.
Real leadship wouldn’t ask their trained pilots to crash
their airplanes into enemy targets, Kamikaze style:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/articl…..71,00.html
I want a true leader. Politics is so money driven I find it hard to believe that any human being can withstand the pressure that it puts on them. It’s job security it seems no matter how faithful someone could be to principles. It’s going to take A LOT of effort to change that.
I agree with Christy about getting candidates that we tolerate.
I’m tired of rhetoric. I certainly don’t want charisma. I want some who demonstrates leadership. I see very little right now that makes me believe in any candidate.
Also, I’m excited to hear what potential opportunity there is for Christy.
cbl at 50 — I wrestle with that a lot. Those of us who read and write here at FDL are already much more engaged in the political process than average folks. How do we pull those folks into the mix and get them actively thinking about and doing something about political representation? How do they become engaged enough to understand that they can – and should — expect more from the people elected to represent them?
THAT is a question that is well worth asking and answering. But the answers are, alas, elusive and illusory. At least, at this point, anyway.
Here’s the leaked speech from the 10AM press conference…
The Troop Surge is working. The Democrat party wants America to lose. Nancy Pelosi looks French. Iran is next. Yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled that I have to do something about Global Warming. So, I’m approving drilling in Alaska. This move alone will stop Global Warming. Karl Rove is innocent. Alberto Gonzalez is a stand up guy. The Democrats are so involved with political theater that they don’t understand how the world works. I’ll veto anything that I don’t put a signing statement at the bottom of.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
I think we need to become deft enough at creating our own narratives and sharing them with those around is…take an amorphous story like the USA purge and distill it down so that a passive consumer of news can understand it. Invite them to peek behind the curtain with a “pull up a chair” or 2.
Georgesimian @ 58
I think his plan for glogal warming is to nuke Iran, sending the price of oil so high that nobody will be able to afford it. That solves the problem of auto emissions, and W takes the credit for solving global warming.
selise @ 45
selise, I had a very heated exchange with my indie-voting husband this week; I shut off the TV when NBC covered “M.C. Rove”. Hubby was angry that I had shut off the tube; I told him that criminal had NO business in my house in any form. Hubby then said, “They’re all crooks!”
And then the fireworks exploded. People like Howard Dean or Michigan’s Governor Jennifer Granholm, crooks? Hell no.
We have a lot of very fine folks out there who believe that being a politician means compromising one’s ethics. And we have a lot of complete creeps who believe the same thing. Unfortunately, we’ve not disabused the former of their need to stick to their own ethics to be a GOOD politician, nor have we disabused the latter from running at all.
Being a politician needs to be completely reframed. We could really use a public dialogue to reset expectations so that people like my swing-voting spouse come to believe that politicians are ordinary folks who represent we, the people. We could really use a reintroduction to the concept of a government, of, by and for the people — and not corporate interests or whatever monied corrupting influence is at hand. And we could really use a reeducation on the concept of servant leadership.
In other words, we have to change first — and then we have to create the candidates we want to run.
At this moment, Speaker Pelosi looks to be the best candidate for me. It’s beyond me why she isn’t getting more favorable attention from Dems when she has racked up more positive governing points than anyone in the House or Senate. I think she has brought Reid along on some things, and she is the only one who has effectively made Bush look like the fool he is.
Part of the goals of the Republican campaign strategy is to remove authenticity from elections. By focusing on smearing their opponents, and by running on “character,” they create fear in already nervous campaign staffs. Add in the media love of gaffes–and the tendency of one (usually distorted) story becoming iconic, like Dean’s scream or Gore’s inventing the internet, it’s a lot to ask of candidates to speak from the heart.
But you know, I’ve got a saying–if you don’t lie, you don’t have to remember what you said. McCain suffering through that syndrome now, trying to create McCain 3.0 while the memory of McCain 2.0 (”straight-talking maverick”) is still fresh. (1.0 was the Keating 5 crook.)
There are moments when Obama has it. Edwards has it more often. But, more than anything else, they need to have some frickin’ guts.
And it’s never been easier. We have a national consensus on three huge issues–ending the
waroccupation, addressing global warming and universal health care. Taking clear, strong positions on those issues is what it will take to win the primary, and the general. We just have to convince campaign staffs to do so.Is lhp around?
I had some middle of the night thoughts about the weekly meeting about judges. Why would this be important enough to have an upper level meeting every week?
How about:
What if they meet weekly to discuss the progress of every federal case of interest. To review communication intercepts of their targets. To develop short term plans for interference and pressure. To create new target lists. To review lists of new stepford candidates to take positions. It’s a guess but wouldn’t all of that take a weekly high level meeting?
Rayne @ 61:
I bang my head against that wall with my SO ALL THE TIME. “The democrats are just the same. They’re no different. They take big money and serve their corporate masters.”
The cynicism is killing this nation. Because the special interests and the big money are so entrenched that people look at it and see no difference. It isn’t just about leadership – although we need some of that, desperately. It’s about reforming the process, somehow.
I don’t have any answers – just a ton of frustration.
But I’ll relieve some of it by hitting the ActBlue tip jar.
Rayne 61- I agree 100 %.
Joe Conason has a GREAT article up on the Dems’ need to continue investigating, despite the always-wrong advice of the Cocktail Weenies not to:
http://www.observer.com/200704…..onason.asp
Rayne @ 11
Were you a pep rally leader in a former life because I’ve got to tell you, I’m ready to go out, join a campaign and kick some butt right now after reading that!
real leaders like mlk, don’t come ’round very often….
most “leaders”, imo, are really more demagogues than leaders – leaders tell the truth about themselves and world.
and i don’t blame politicians for this… how can someone have the time for introspection and self-education AND do all the fund raising necessary to run a campaign.
how can a person who tells the truth raise enough money to have a successful campaign?
…
think i’m nuts? what would happen to the politician who told the truth about the israeli / palestinian situation? or about USA foreign policy in general?
…
cultural change and poltical change go hand-in-hand. at least, i don’t see how to separate the two.
Perhaps Im romantic and not as practical as I should be but I like the idea of a real family in our White House. With children to remind the country that our families are what its about
realworld @
32
I gave a few days ago, but the thermometer still hasn’t reflected my $$$
leinie @ 65
The Democrats are no different when they do all the bad things that the Repugs do. But besides that, they’re total elitists, French-looking out of touch Liberals who don’t believe in God, are weak on security and just get in the Repugs way. And want to raise taxes. And they control the media.
The cynicism is coming from the top. Like the torture policies.
Mods, sorry about 63. I’m on an unreliable connection and didn’t realize that this went up at 46 or so. Please feel free to delete 63.
selise:
i’m begining to think that the environment our political class live in does not make for decent (let alone good) leaders – or even people who can recognize (let alone connect) with the lives of people harmed by their policies.
This reminds me of a Jon Stewart remark about Obama, after Obama had said something particularly inane–”What happens when you get elected to the Senate, anyway? Do they give you a stupid pill?”
To me selling leadership means having something for people to do. I wish the Democratic Party candidates would as a group call for a program to cut personal gasoline usage. It would help the economy and give something for people to do.
Well said Rayne, I hear that a lot-they’re all crooks. Bullshit, that’s a cop-out. Public financing of elections is a huge step towards bringing more people into the political process.
Well I have an issue at tugging at heart strings a la Hollywood. It’s too manipulative and it alienates people like myself. A new way to frame issues can bring up the lives of real people and hardships without the calculated formulas and turgid language of HoJoe and Turdblossom. I think a certain honesty is required for that.
leinie @ 65
This is the central republican message. “They all do it. Everything is political and partisan. There is no truth, nothing real.”
That’s why Christy is so right–we need leaders, Testers and Feingolds–who aren’t afraid to say that there are truths, that there are principles, and we need to speak out strongly in support of them.
Rayne @ 11 & 47 -
What a wonderful clarion call!
————————————-
Georgesimian says
Here’s the leaked speech from the 10AM press conference…
The Troop Surge is working. The Democrat party wants America to lose. Nancy Pelosi looks French. Iran is next. Yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled that I have to do something about Global Warming. So, I’m approving drilling in Alaska. This move alone will stop Global Warming. Karl Rove is innocent. Alberto Gonzalez is a stand up guy. The Democrats are so involved with political theater that they don’t understand how the world works. I’ll veto anything that I don’t put a signing statement at the bottom of.
Oh, geeeeeezzzzzz, is it *still* April Fool’s day?
Nah……..probably pretty close to what the wh fool will actually say. ;-(
Rayne @ 61
completely agree with this statement… and love your reference to “servant leadership” – the opposite of a demagogue.
and i don’t think all politicians are crooks…. or equally dishonest (and i don’t see anyone here making that claim).
but that doesn’t mean i stop trying to see the truth (to the best of my ability)…. i don’t forget how many dems voted for the MCA, i don’t ignore pelosi’s insane statements at a*p*c or at the israeli knesset… AND recognize that pelosi is at least a million times better than denny haster. there really is a difference.
I’m waiting for a candidate that is willing to proclaim at least four truths.
1. We cannot function as a civil society until we restore respect for the rule of law, which has been badly tarnished through six years of corruption and lawlessness. We will need a complete house cleaning at the Department of Justice and a commitment to appoint judges who understand this imperative.
2. We cannot achieve security/peace/dignity in the world without a complete repudiation of the Bush policies of pre-emptive war and unilateral militarism. We need our government to rededicate itself to strengthening international institutions committed to the peaceful resolution of international disputes, and to restricting the unilateral use of militaries.
3. We cannot have a well functioning society at home until we reclaim the notion that government exists to serve the people and not to impose the ruling regime’s will on them. To get a government that once again serves the people, we will need to clean house of all the Bush political croynies throughout government — people who were put in positions to undermine and destory the very missions their agencies were created to implement.
4. We cannot have a just and fair society until we redress the fundamental, dangerous and unconcionable imbalance in the distribution of wealth in America. We will need a complete reversal of the Bush tax and budget policies of screw the middle class and poor and enrich the richest.
That’s just a start. Where is that candidate?
Scarecrow @ 79
run, scarecrow, run!!!!
The Axelrod article had a couple of points that seemed really off to me. One, I don’t think that “Bush succeeded because he presented himself in his own rough-hewn way, warts and all”. If he had presented himself as who he really was, there is no way that he would have been elected. Rove manipulated his story to make Mr. 6pack voter believe that a recovering alcoholic was the guy he’d like to have a drink with.
Somehow Bush’s enormous family wealth wasn’t an issue, but in Edwards campaign it’s what is turning Mr. 6 pack off. And that’s why I think that Edwards failed as Axelrod put it “to close the deal”. It seems that his campaign hasn’t handled his wealth as well as it has handled his personal story with illness. Elizabeth Edwards closed the deal for me with her book really detailing the kind of family they have and the kind of character they have.
When I saw Edwards in ‘04, I was really impressed with his message, his two americas, and his commitment to justice and economic opportunity for all. I loved the way he came running on stage in tennis shoes as opposed to Biden’s highly polished black dress shoes. America seems to have a fascination with wealth so I wonder why he can’t turn it into a strenth. Capitalize on how he earned it fighting for the little guy damaged by the corporate criminals.
Another thing, Bob Shrum said that Gore and Kerry ran “ill-fitting people vs. powerful” campaigns and that’s why they lost. They lost because of election fraud, even if we would have liked their success to have been larger. And while we continue to agree that they lost without putting up a fight to correct election fraud, we’ll lose again.
It’s not just about the message, I believe the electorate responded to the democratic message in ‘00 and’04, but the mechanism of voting was corrupted, and that spelled victory to Rove.
Christy Hardin Smith @
57
If you build it, they will come. No, seriously.
Great thought, Christy!
The difference between those position papers and storytelling is huge. Both can be powerful, but only in the right places.
A strong position paper can move “experts” and others with the background and knowledge to be able to follow the discussion of the topic. That means, in most cases, you’ve got to have a certain amount of prior knowledge on the subject, awareness of the technical vocabulary, and perhaps also some expertise in that particular area.
A good narrative, on the other hand, can draw people in despite a lack of prior knowledge, a lack of technical vocabulary, and a lack of expertise. Narratives can pull in a whole host of people that a position paper leaves cold, because folks can find a way into a story from whatever their vantage point.
Both are needed, but for vastly different purposes. To motivate those with strong thoughts on particular issues, position papers and abstract policy discussions are important. For reaching the broader electorate, however, storytelling is key.
It’s not that hard:
Put real faces to those dry papers.
Put tangible actions to those distant policies.
Put concrete lives acting on those abstract beliefs.
Do that, and you’ll bring folks into your story of America.
Anyone going to liveblog the latest Presidential tantrum?
JF @ 60
Ohhh Nuclear Winter: Now there’s a solution to global warming that will sell!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
i think we have to offer them better candidates (see RevDeb’s comment wrt Ned Lamont above).
After hearing Charlie Rangel on Fresh Air a few days ago, I started thinking about what type of person do we need to take back our country. That person won’t be dealing with a political party, but with a criminal enterprise that will do anything to stay or get back into power. If they don’t, they are looking at jail time and no more US Treasury free lunch. The christianists are really going to be hurt if the tax dollars are shut off.
We need a tough, smart and mean politician who is not afraid of these thugs and will take back the Constitution. That would be Hilliary. I never thought I would think that. Hilliary has been immunized against their attacks. She has been trashed and investigated and had her child called a dog by McCain. I think she is ready for some pay-back.
Howie Klein is certain that she will be the next President. I find that interesting.
ot
I’m sure everyone already knew pissy fit“>this
gonzales is “prepping” for his senatorial testification
wazman needs to come up with a few questions that abu torutre can’t prepare for
things like;
“are you aware taking a usa off an impending investigation without continuing that investigation is obstruction of justice?”
and he needs to be ready with specifics on particular investigations and why mr torture impeded those investigations
Frank Probst @ 84
i’ll be here. just can’t watch it alone…. too painful.
Scarecrow @ 79
Hear, Hear. But Scarecrow, remember the L-campaign. Many of these issues were addressed in one way or another and a lot of voters reacted as though the truth was some sort of dirty propoganda and an unwarrented attack on HoJoe.
I would like a blast of honesty from a candidate big-time and would be willing to work for that candidate. On the other hand, there is always the problem that the HoJoe’s can muddy the waters between honesty and “attack” “partisanship”.
On the other hand a brazen honesty so bold about the shitty situation of our country coming from someone like Howard Dean might just gather wind.
Georgesimian @ 58
that had me laughing out loud, that is the money shot
Victor Gold (a friend of George H.W. Bush and the Cheney family): “For all the Rove-built facade of his being a ’strong’ chief executive, George W. Bush has been, by comparison to even hapless Jimmy Carter, the weakest, most out of touch president in modern times,” Gold writes. “Think Dan Quayle in cowboy boots.”
lisadawn82 @ 67
Too funny, me, a pep rally leader or anything remotely cheerleaderish. I’m a geek, a pure, unadulterated nerd. Dweebie girl with glasses who read way too much sci-fi and wonky stuff as a kid.
But don’t let the fact I’m not really a cheerleader stop you. WE NEED YOU.
Like right now, in my garage, I have 50 signs that must be put out on lawns for a progressive candidate for the school board, preferably on 08-APR, 30 days before the election. But before that, I need people who will call every strong Dem in the school district and ask if they will put up a sign. We’re talking about 300-600 phone calls in a 16-precinct area between now and the 8th, one easy evening of phone calls if everybody brings their free minutes and hunkers down. (There’s the inescapable math for you…)
Now you don’t live in my school district…but is there a candidate running for school board, dog catcher, county commissioner you can help right now, even volunteering to let a sign be put in your yard? Is a special election later in the year, with candidates needing money to get signs printed now? Or should you be chatting up prospective candidates right now to run next year in local elections?
It’s not as glamorous as helping presidential races, but it’s the kind of work that reestablishes balance in local and state politics, to eventually prevent crap like the dismissal of U.S. Attorneys or politicization of other appointments. And it’s in your backyard, where it will immediately impact your life.
Go for it. Find out what you can do today.
realworld @ 86
Also it would mean that all the terrorists would be radioactive, so we could easily detect them and track their movements with Star Wars technology.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 35
I am sure they would be read and would sell papers. I’m not sure about TV, I think that would be harder to do though someone like Oprah could do it. I think the reason is that sponsors/advertisers would object if too much were done, e.G., on the cost of medications, for example. Or layoffs in this or that specific industry. So in lieu of real human interest with causes that might be fixed they go for fake human interest ala Anna Nichole Smith — fake in the sense that the story is not one likely to cause people to reflect on their own lives beyond thank goodness I’m not like her.
A few things about our “elections” are designed to give us lousy candidates and keep the status quo.
I read that this election cycle could see individual candidates needing to raise $400 million. That is a sickening and debilitating cancer on our democracy.
Corporations control both parties. The media is owned by corporations some with heavy military interests.
We are a militaristic society economically dependent on being the largest arms seller in the world and deploying forces to the four corners of the globe.
We have states like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, South Dakato, North Dakato with a combined 4 million residents–mostly white– but 10% of the Senate. Yet 37 million in CA are represented by 2% of the Senate– both female by the way.
Our “elections” are not competitive… 90% are re-elected
We won’t even seriously consider a third-party independent candidate.
On the other side… as a society we are woefully unprepared to have a democracy… 20-25% illiteracy… wasted human resources… 16% of the population making less than 9K per year… ignorance of politics is rampant– unbelievably so… yet, too many can name every stat of key players across multiple sports… too much television… racial bigotry is rampant…tolerance is not a virtue among too many…
Sorry to be so negative, but if anyone thinks a real “leader” is going to spring forth from this environment, please pass the dope. The status quo is safe for the forseable future.
All of these political consultants cited the current yearning among American voters for authenticity and character in a candidate…
And if they can fake that, they’ve got it made!
On a more serious note, there’s nothing wrong with weaving the stories into the promotion of policies. The dynamic should be “here’s the problem, here’s what it means in human terms, and here’s what we’d like to do to fix it.”
That middle step should be an occasion for some storytelling, some personalization of the problem.
However, the personalization should illustrate the need, rather than be allowed to override real discussion.
An example of the latter would be the debate over killing the Federal estate tax. The proponents of its elimination can always create some heartrending hypothetical farm that the beneficiaries are forced to sell, or business that they’re forced to sell off to a Big Conglomerate.
But the fact that they’re telling a story doesn’t prevent us from asking: (a) how many people does this really affect, and (b) what’s the typical effect?
And then you can say, OK, keeping the estate tax will force a few well-off people to take a bundle of money instead of a farm or business. But losing those jobs in Ohio will mean thousands of hardworking Americans will be wondering how they’re going to pay their bills.
IOW, this picture’s about a real problem. That one isn’t.
We have to be ready to tell stories that are about real people in real trouble, and puncture the balloons of stories that aren’t.
I wish I knew how to engage people. There are too darn many who don’t bother to vote at all. They seem to think politics has “nothing to do with me”.
They wouldn’t let somebody else choose their partner, tell them which house to live in, or which car to buy. But they’ll sit by and let somebody else choose the people who make the laws they have to live under.
Scarecrow @
79
Amen to that!!!!
My favorite speech was in the American President. Here’s a candidate I could get behind. When we saw it in the movie theater, he got a standing O. How often does that happen in a movie theater?
Scarecrow @
79
Scarecrow for President!!!
Real life has kept me from commenting here, as I’m reading comments long after the next thread goes by. But I’m ready to explode with anger at Obama for saying that the president will get what he wants if he vetoes the war spendin bill.
And I’m sickened that it seems like our next president will be chosen by who can raise the most money.
Perhaps I’m just down because I miss engaging in discussion with you all. Or I need some new letters from Waxman, as they make me happier than anything!
Thanks for letting me get it out.
Holy shit scarecrow, that was brilliant!
OT RE: The Niger forgeries. The WaPo article is pretty good. What’s even better is that the author has a book coming out on the whole story. That means this is going to stay in the news for at least a week.
Steve @ 87 –
i haven’t seem much evidence that senator clinton cares about the constitution and rule of law.
she voted for the iraq war (and still thinks that was a good idea), she didn’t support feingold’s resolution to censure president bush for the warrantless spying (ignoring the fisa law)…
she did vote against the MCA – but without any real challenge to it (the same can be said for the entire senate).
sorry, i just don’t see it. but would be happy to have more info… where exactly has she come out in favor of limited executive power?
I thought that “authenticity and character” were two of the things we were supposed to get with George W. Bush.
Remember the spin: “George Bush, although not perfect, is a man of steely determination and conviction. You know where he stands even if you may not agree. He does not wilt under popular pressure.”
If that’s authenticity and character, spare me, please.
Steve @87:
Interesting. Because HRC was the subject of a discussion at the dinner table last night, where my SO who thinks they are all crooks told me that he could NEVER vote for her. Because you can’t trust her.
He cited as his example that when she was working on health care in Clinton’s WH, she was the enemy of the health care industry, and now, she is taking tons of money from them, so she HAS to be beholden to them, and obviously her position on health care can be bought. She’s got an unbelievable war chest, so she’s going to be beholden to the corporations.
I have issues with her stance of Iraq, and I see her as positioning herself to be republican lite, but I didn’t have an answer to counter him.
Badwater at 104 — Yes, and he’s a Texas man, not born and raised to a patrician family and educated in the finest expensive boarding schools and Ivy League colleges that the family money could buy his way into…nope, no siree…
A big part of the problem is that the public is more interested in the seemier side of politics than in the real deal. They love a cartoon. Escapism 101. The Bush Team has capitalized on this by providing a stunningly harsh police state national climate. After all, these children won’t say anything to fight back. We get what we will tolerate. That’s why we need a strong leader that will go toe to toe with the bullies that use mind control to anesthesize the masses. Everyone is talking around the glaring reality. The only candidate that has survived the fire of the opposition is Hillary. Unless we Dems/Progressives kill her off ourselves. You want healthcare? You want results that make us stronger and respected again? Play around with “POSSIBLE” winners, and vote for Hillary. That’s your shot.
watching c-span, waiting for the POTUS’ temper tantrum.
chimpy – more troops headed to Baghdad so Lindsey Graham can do more shopping. The operation is still in it’s beginning stages. The surge is making an impact. our troops need the funds.
Twolf you are cracking me up.
gop guarantees they will sustain the presidents veto of the bill funding our troops
maggots
chimpy – i will veto bill and u cant stop me. the only way the dems passed the bill was because of the pork (mmmmmm…. pork…) Democrat leaders in congress would rather fight political battles rather than the GWOT.
Remember this: if W had put the war funding into the regular budget, and if the Rs had done their work by passing the budgets on time, the current showdown would not be occurring.
just back from yet another youtube induced reboot @#^%$!$!%$!!!!
apparently not a bad thing . . .
Digby -
but wait, there’s more
via Atrios -
Atrios
chimpy – if congress fails to pass bill i can sign by mid april, it will hurt the troops. why do you hate the troops?
-sirens in background-
eCAHNomics @ 113
ohhh…something presidential candidate palosi should point out me thinks
Bush and Rove and Cheney are the sickest humans on this planet. This attack is so beneath contempt.
The war was nothing but a political tool to attack the opposition.
-GSD
chimpy – blah blah blah – if congress doesn’t act – army will have to delay training and deployment. general pete Skoomaker (sic) wrote a letter to congress asking “why do you hate the troops”
-shot of cheney scowling off in the bushes wtf-
Democrat lead. . . Democratic leadership. Ya gotta uv it.
cbl @ 114
you have to update your flash player
go here;
http://www.adobe.com/go/getflashplayer
Lou Costello @
40
Wow, wouldn’t it be a blessing to stop this wholesale incarceration of our youth and minorities, probably for reasons of cheap labor for the privitized prisons, and for the disenfranchisement of whole communities. Here in MA, we j’ust’ got rid of the Blue Laws, but drugs can be put in similar stores, patrons carded, etc.
Hello, RevDeb – hope your Seder preparations at your UU church are proceeding apace – i’m off to buy wine for mine.
This statement may set the record for most lies in the least number of words EVER. There is no depth of slander to which this punk will not stoop.
perris @ 116
From your lips to Pelosi’s ears.
chimpy – congress is entitled to their views and should express them, as long as it won’t deter my precious war.
“How do we defeat them without becoming them?”
I’ve lost track of how many years I’ve been asking myself that.
I think perhaps the first response to the “terrist-lovin’ hommosexual blah blah blah” crap is one of the most annoying Reaganisms of all time:
“There you go again!” (with a wry smile and a shake of the head.)
It was infuriating when Reagan did it because it was a way to just not answer the effin’ question, but I think it could work for us.
We’re responding to complete BS, which we know has nothing to back it up, and that we know everyone has heard before. The first imperative is not to get dragged into debating things that are so obviously false, because by trying to disprove it we’re focusing attention on it and wasting our time and energy.
“There you go again!” Yeah, yeah, spouting the usual BS. Can we talk about something real now?
Because you’ve had more than six years to try to show that your crap had anything to do with people’s real lives, and that your way of doing things could make those lives and the world better, and you failed, spectacularly.
Whaddaya think, pups?
chimpy actually taking questions…
Good morning! Great post, Christy.
I’ve always been amazed at how Democrats often aren’t as good at packaging & marketing their candidates as many Republicans are. It’s certainly true that highly charismatic candidates of any party have a huge advantage (Clinton, and yes, even Bush originally came off as an interesting character who said the right things to inspire many, even though I didn’t buy his BS). Typically, candidates who display charisma always do better at gaining the people’s trust and interest, no matter which party they are from. Think of Clinton vs. Dole, think of Bush vs. Gore (and Kerry) – the losers were always seeming wooden and stiff, even if they really aren’t that way in “real life”. In comparison to their competition, they seem like dull, dry bookworms who lack the ability to inspire the heart.
We have had the tendency at times to fall for the GOP framing – that the Republicans are the “grown ups”, and the Democrats are idealists with few practical plans. That forces us to focus our campaigning on seeming serious and “grown up”, then responding to inane attacks. Instead, we need to focus on selling the message of a caring and inspiring leader.
Candidates like Edwards, Obama, and even Richardson have a far better chance of emotionally inspiring voters than anyone on the Republican ticket. Even some of our “might run” candidates, like Clark, have terrific potential to excite the general public. And, Hillary Clinton might be able to move in that direction with some honing of her image. If Clinton can learn to open up and find the charisma that I am sure is underneath her exterior – find the balance between “tough leader” and “caring, compassionate person”, she will be much more attractive to many American voters.
Starting with a candidate with a fresh face and an inspiring message isn’t all we need. We need to hone their image. We need to start with a genuine, compassionate, smart and trustworthy person, and continue to sell their best assets every day to the American public.
It confuses me how many of the strong Democratic party supporters in Hollywood don’t have more influence in this process. Why aren’t they tapped for their talents in helping us market great candidates? If they can do it on the West Wing, they can do it with a good candidate with potential.
As Democrats, we also have to watch out for our tendency to want the “dreamy” “perfect” mythical candidate. While it’s good to challenge our candidates and question their opinions, we have to be careful that we tend to eat our own too often. Questioning them on the issues is good, but tearing them to shreds the way the GOP tends to is simply feeding the Republicans ammo. It creates a situation where only the most tough-skinned, callous and egotistical people with copious amounts of money can possibly handle the rigors of the campaign. This might give us candidates who seem stiff and wooden simply because they’re spending all of their time deflecting inane criticism instead of connecting with voters. This has already been happening with many supporters of Obama, Hillary, and Edwards on many online political forums. Instead of tearing each other down, we need to uplift and elevate every candidate. Help them hone their skills even more, and the best person will rise to the top of the heap. We should be celebrating what an outstanding field of candidates we have.
Don’t want any dopey photo ops!
The most irrelevant man in America has access to nukes. Oy.
twolf1 @ 126
damn it, can I get this on the tubules?
Don’t want any Dopey nuke options.
So Chimpy thinks that Syria keeping troops in Lebanon for a long period of time destabilizes democracy……..
-GSD
Micro response to eg’s question way up the thread…
Mr. S has come thru five months of chemo treatment for CLL [there is no “good” cancer, no “easy” treatment!] Yesterday we learned the final test results: in remission.
Being good baseball fans who never discuss a pitcher’s no-hitter-in-progress lest we jinx him, we’ve not talked about this marathon.
We’re more matter-of-fact this time, remission today may not mean remission tomorrow. Remission may be durable or short-lived. But we are each resolved, as survivor and caregiver, to live each day fully.
And we hold close in our hearts others who travel this same journey…as survivors and caregivers.
Hostagiss……..
-GSD
perris @ 130
CSPAN 1 – i know it says “Dismissal of U.S. Attorneys” but they are showing the chimp
A real leader would support this with every breath in their body:
The Air Car – Zero Pollution ~ http://www.gizmag.com/go/7000/
Thanks Prairie.
(((((((PS and MrPS)))))))
Christy, one of your occasional guest posters had a nice post on the topic of personal identity and the narrative for Democrats back in November…
We say we want authenticity, but I think it is hard for a person acting in a political role to be authentic. I know what that means in an existentential sense, but I cannot say what it means in political terms.
I think what we need is someone who can do political calculus, someone who can see the pressure points in a situation and manipulate others to get the results we want. I think what that means is that we want someone who sees the same kind of future that we want, but has a better chance of getting us there than the other candidates.
thanks perris !
now of course one of the lemmings will then ask him why he is sending NY & TX soldiers back without a full year off or any of the requisite recurrent training, right ?!?!?!?
eCAHNomics @ 113
Like Roosevelt and Truman did.
For as obsessive a political whore as I am, I’ve stayed relatively calm about my choice for a candidate. I was leaning toward Edwards from the start, but I’ve upgraded that in recent weeks.
I have an extremely hard time thinking Obama is worthy of my vote because of his lack of judgment in supporting Joe Lieberman. I realize this will turn into a voting crisis for me if he becomes the party’s nominee; but right now, I can’t be happy pulling the lever on him, and I don’t see that changing. If he has no judgment with Lieberman, how will he have judgment on something bigger?
Congrats to the PS family.
-GSD
Chimpy using Oral Hatch’s talking points.
Yes, Swopa, but that guy had a really funny looking leather jacket.
since this is an alternate universe post on west wing leadership… take a look at this from AP yesterday:
even martin sheen the actor is a better leader than our current POTUS.
chimpy – no credible evidence of any wrong-doing re: the USA’s firing.
Chimpy: I am genuinely concerned about USA’s reputations. (Yeah, right). No credible evidence of wrongdoing. We had right to remove USA’s.
GSD @ 132
Layers of irony every time he opens his fucking mouth. Oy!
The General is sober! Kill innocent life!
shorter chimp – it’s my surge so stfu
suiciders are willing to kill innocent life to project that this is an impossible mission (has he been meeting w/ tom cruise again?)
I was going to go there but didn’t want to get started on a diatribe. Suffice to say that I have no use for these consultant-types and am sickened by the massive amounts of money that is already being poured into the coffers of the candidates, this early in the game.
It’s like some kind voodoo that the average person just cannot get their mind around and these “players” don’t want us to get it. Apparently, Dems are still shooting for the center, but what IS the center? Everytime I read about the “center,” they sound like a pretty vacant-headed, ill-informed bunch. And these are the people we’re supposed to be wooing.
Can we just have another Dean phenomenon that works this time? I wish we could do it with Feingold but I don’t blame the man for not wanting to get in the fray.
twolf1 @ 135
thank you, /watchin
Bush saying the USAs story has a Washington DC focus. Bullsh*t! A LTE in today’s Fargo Forum castigates the newspaper for not interviewing the local US attorney…secure in his job…on why he did no investigation of the exclusion of citizens from a Bush bubble rally that predated the Denver controversy. One of those citizens on the “not allowed in” list, by the way, is a Fargo City Commissioner. Asks also if the USA was pressured to seek death penalty in a state that traditionally does not impose death penalty.
Would be interesting to know if the JUDGE was pressured to impose the death penalty in that case…. hmmmmmmmmmmm…….
chimp – “i strongly agree we gotta make make make it clear to the iraqi government” — it’s hard work.
Q on Dowd: If personally stung by him?
twolf1 @ 146
and no friggin follow up, nobody asking him;
“do you live in some kind of alternate universe?…is water even wet in your world?”
Just got off the phone with Senator Durbin and Senator Obama’s offices. 800 828 0498 urging them to let Bush deny money to the troops. Urging them to get a spine and use their power of the purse and call him out for his petulance. Urging them to stop letting him define the narrative.
OT
New pumps in NOLA will failure under normal conditions.
This is not incompetence. This is thievery. Create another disaster. Pretend to fix it and steal the money. Transfer the money for the support of the neocon GOP, Blackwater and the like. Continue the rape of the country.
Yes indeedie, the average American knows what is happening to their country. Their lives are crumbling. People cannot pay their medical bills, mortgages, or for their college educations. The failure of their country is not an abstract concept. It is felt deeply.
I believe the neocons have radicalized the populace. People know. They are gathering their wits about them and things are changing.
It is not a revolution. It is a reclamation.
He has “emotional issues” (HA! talking points again.)
teh pres;
“brilliant minds say do this thingy I’m doing”
Lord, has the Bush press conference started? Better check CSPAN.
chimp being asked about Dowd – starts with a grunt. respects matthew. i haven’t talked to him about his concerns. i understand his anguish over war, it’s an emotional issue. he said the mean stuff he did b/c he has a son that’s about to deploy. now talking about iraq again, dodging the question with talking points.
hey Swopa -
mad props to you for your prescient post on Meghan O’Lackey last june – posted link for all the kids early this am :)
Swopadamus
although I’m more than a little concerned she is really leaving b/c she can’t talk him out of Iran
O/T Rayne: My friend who reads Chinese is looking into the website you gave
This problem seems world-wide. Pet food was recalled in HongKong due to contamination recently. It was also probably contaminated in Taiwan and posted on a site for pet owners. One of the contaminated brands distributed in Taiwan was Hill’s. Another brand from Thailand Pola(?) was recalled and killed a lot of cats and dogs a couple of years ago. My friend has now switched to Australian cat food.
Christy at 57: In Michigan, where unemployment is on the rise and the general public is very concerned about our future, I have to say that I’m finding more and more people who are becoming more politically active. In particular, I’ve found that when I open a discussion with casual acquaintences or even people I just meet at the right moment (like at the pharmacy) about health care, people perk up. The appetite for addressing our healthcare crisis is very strong. In the past month, I’ve literally had more than a dozen conversations with random people about how the lack of healthcare is a major crisis that affects jobs (i.e. jobs go overseas to countries where healthcare costs are not a burden of employers), affects our taxes (because we pay to care for those who need emergency care instead of providing adequate preventive and non-emergency care), and affects our quality of life. Perhaps it’s because we’re seeing a lot of people losing jobs or facing major healthcare cutbacks in MI, but a candidate with a comprehensive healthcare plan is highly attractive to nearly everyone I meet. I’ve made a point that whenever the proper opportunity arises to talk about the healthcare crisis, I do. Even yesterday at the dentist’s office, my hygienist brought it up, and we had an animated conversation (I’m sure other patients heard) about how our country’s lack of healthcare coverage is detrimental to our country’s future. we were in full agreement. It wasn’t a partisan, political discussion (I have no idea what her political leanings are) – it was a common sense discussion about solving problems.
People are inspired by common sense solutions to major problems. And, I think many will be inspired to get more directly involved in making change.
Talking with our neighbors is the first step in getting more people politically aware and invested in their communities.
Sober again!
I thought the definition of a surge was something that happened quickly…not spread out over half a year or more
chimp – my main job is to protect the people. i firmly believe if we leave iraq, the terrists will follow us here. 9/11 9/11 9/11….
–where have i heard that before?
perris @ 27
It’s Pelosi, and she’s already got enough to do. Same for Waxman. Gore, please just don’t go there. Kucinish, are you kidding me? what with his 30 year-old wife? It’s laughable, even my son thought it was disgusting, he’s more than twice her age.
Morning, pups. First morning here in a long time above plus 20F. Listening to the decider on NPR. Nobody even chuckling at his wan jokes…
{{{{Prairie Sunshine family}}}}
Lou Costello @
54
sish…
Is this why our Air Force Academy is pushing Fundies heavily?
eyesonthestreet @ 169
Shallow much?
It’s Pelosi, and she’s already got enough to do. Same for Waxman. Gore, please just don’t go there. Kucinish, are you kidding me? what with his 30 year-old wife? It’s laughable, even my son thought it was disgusting, he’s more than twice her age.
What does that have to do with anything?
NewsClues @ 142
Big negatives on Obama on democracynow.org this morning. Last segment was on Somalia & guest pointed out that Obama’s on W’s side wrt Africa. In other words, he doesn’t even know enuf about his father’s continent to have an intelligent position on the subect. A refresher: W’s unintelligent position is to militarize the continent and throw Somalia back into war.
New thread from Christy Hardin Smith.
Thompson Squared
For anyone with a strong stomach: Bush on CSPAN2 talking about Iran.
Q: Why has gas gone up?
A. People get spooked about conflict with Iran.
Q – are u aware of the gas price now? why is gas going up?
chimp – price varies from region to region, taxes. price of crude oil is on the rise because people get spooked. we need to get off our addiction to oil. congress needs to pass my fuel bill to decrease fuel consumption 20% over 10 years.
When are these press buffoons gonna stop chuckling at his stupid jokes? Stop enabling, guys. Well, at least they’ve been asking questions about Iran that they should have asked about Iraq in 2003.
Bush still flirting with David Gregory. Disgusting.
david gregory – u say dems are undercutting troops, isnt that what americans voted for?
chimps – the people want the troops funded and want generals, not politicians, conducting the war.
pork in spending bill, pork in spending bill, pork in spending bill
Dave “slowpitch” Gregory
Will someone please ask if he uses email addresses other than a WH one?
leinie @ 105
I don’t disagree with that thinking and for that and other reasons I really never considered Hillary to be viable in my mind. I guess Howie and Carlie Rangel made me re-think. The campaign and the eight years of the Presidency are going to be brutal. It will make Bill’s time in the WH look like a walk in the park. The next 10 years are going to be a fight to the death..their way or our way.
I don’t trust Hillary to push “my social agenda” but I think the Democratic Congress will do it and Hillary won’t veto it. I’ll see how the primary fight goes, but for now I think Hillary if the only one who is tough enough to take on these thugs. I think Gore knows exactly what is going to happen and decided that he doesn’t have the heart for it. Hillary has been trashed by the fascists for 15 years and is on her feet and fighting; at this point in his career I don’t think Obama has the same stuff.
We need a person who can win a back alley knife fight with these people, everyday for 10 years. Hillary has already one it for 15 years and she is tougher for it. Most people would have been destroyed.
RevDeb @ 16
Agreed — but (and this is my cynical half speaking) maybe the Edwards campaign should consider hiring Sorkin as a consultant?
Scarecrow @
79
hear here!
what is ur reaction to the SCOTUS re: climate change?
chimp – SCOTUS is the law of the land. we have laid out a plan that will reduce greenhouse gasses and do some other stuff by 2017. i am a monkey. i hope congress passes this quickly. i recognize that man is contributing greenhouse gasses. anything that happens can’t hurt economic growth… blah blah… expensive technologies…
eyesonthestreet @ 169
I have no clue what you’re on about;
gore, he is the best president we ever elected and he needs the chance to serve…we’ve already elected him once and we’ll elect him again’
as far as a 30 year old wife, I am 53 years old, date women from that age group as well as my own, and I happen to think you and your son are way off base if yoi think 30 year old women aren’t capabole mates for a 60 year old man.
what is your problem here?
pelosi and waxman have plenty to do, they will each respectively do it better from the drivers seat…obviously
and I meant russ
chimp asked if he believes homosexuality is immoral
chimp – dont ask dont tell is a good policey
OOOOOO, no judgement on “personal orientation”. Where’s Dobson?
“If” there is failure? UGGHHH!
Some days I wake up and I become very despondent and depressed when I view where my wonderful country has gone recently – and at other times as well. The past few years are only a culmination of all the lies and deceit that has preceeded the current situation.
The one group of people in the entire world that has the capability and the resources to lift us all, and I mean everyone, brown, black, white, green, or whatever out of the miasma of hate, war and poverty, has turned into the very agent of all that hypocrisy. Not by the people who live here, but by our very leaders, who should be in the forefront of the fight for truth and justice. I want to say the American way, but I’m not sure what that is anymore. I thought I knew at one time, but it seems to have become a hazy gray area I don’t recognize.
FDL is one candle in the darkness, and I will help when and where I can. Christy and Jane and Trex and all the other people who post and comment here and even the lurkers of which I am one – I want to thank you for your passionate dedication to the ideals that we all hold so dear, and for this forum. I know at least that I am not alone.
Scarecrow @
79
Scarecrow for President ‘08. I’m in. Where can I send my check?
Congress did fund the war. They gave Bush ANOTHER $100 billion. They want our military out of Iraq by August 2008.
Today in the Rose Garden presser, Bush referred to one of the things we want the Iraqi government to day: Pass “OUR” oil bill. Get that, “OUR”. So there it is. It wasn’t WMDs, it was our national energy policy.
“The Iraqis are wondering if we’re going to stand by them.” Watch the documentary “My Country My Country” and you’ll recognize Bush claim as false. They are not wondering whether we’ll stay, they are wondering and hoping that we’ll leave.
I have done both: I held my nose and voted for Clinton in 92, after reading a long debate in the Progressive where Molly Ivins pointed out that comfortable folks like me I might not see the difference between the candidates, but people living at the edge most certainly do. (A rising tide does not lift all boats: it drowns people living at the edge.)
I have also gotten so disgusted with the triangulations and projections that I withheld my vote for Gore in 00. Do I regret that? Sadly, no. First of all, my state was one Gore’s people gave up on early, even though it was quite winnable (or at least a place to make W work). Second, Joe on the ticket would to this day be enough to still make me recoil from a candidate.
The problem is I get complacent, and begin to think that democracy means pulling that lever at the end of the campaign season. The grassroots and netroots movements have revived politics precisely because they have shown an alternative to the Kleins and Emmanuels: shaping the debate before it hits msm.
cbl @ 163
Wow, even I had forgotten that one. That’s a good post, if I do say so myself. :) Thanks, cbl!
EvilDrPuma @ 173
I love the fact that a rather unattractive but incredibly smart and principled man has an attractive, accomplished, and apparently adoring wife who also appears to be a good and caring soul. I think it’s incredibly sweet. See, I’m not as cynical as I always sound!
twolf1 @ 191
He and his Gannon minions should know.
Pass “OUR” oil bill.
Who ever controls the oil spicket owns the world economy.
“They’re gonna hit us agin!”
And, oh yeah, how dare Congress attempt to conduct oversight!
I am more fearful of my own government now than of the terrorists.
Christy,
I too am very tired of voting for the least-worst. Six years ago, Bill Richardson was running for Governor of Our Fair State, and because I was deemed one of the Faculty Leaders (a novel concept, you’re a leader in the same sense that a barn full of cats has a leader) I was invited (along with 30 or so people I scarcely knew) to meet and talk with Bill. I told him about our struggles to keep young faculty, about our struggles to keep students, and I told him that these were problems that could (largely) be addressed with money. He told us he heard us, and that higher education is important, and that as Governor he would address the issues.
Finally, a candidate I could vote for because I really felt that he was both competent and had a vision. I campaigned for him among my colleagues and neighbors. For the first time in my life, I had a yard sign. When I got to the voting machine I was pleased to vote for him.
After he was elected, I learned that those damned position papers are important, after all. The position papers are the only way you can hold the incumbent accountable. I ended up voting again for the least-worst option, but as governor he addressed higher ed with cabinet departments for Public Ed and Higher Ed.
I got a chance to meet with him again after he was elected, along with faculty leaders from the other public universities in the State. He told us he was very sorry, but that PubEd had to take priority over HigherEd. Of course they did — they’re unionized, and we aren’t. So we’ve gotten hosed. And we were hosed at least in part because the candidate hadn’t put his views on higher ed on paper where we could point to them and say, “See! Right here!”
Four years later, I voted for him again. But I was again voting for the least-worst option. And I’m unhappy about it.
I still want a candidate who shares my important values. But I no longer look to the candidate’s public statements — the public statements are akin to the public prayers of professional christians. As Mark Twain noted, they’re useful only when bundled in large quantities and used to power the wind. I look to their position papers, because they at least provide a solid foundation.
All that said, I’m backing Edwards so far, but not without reservation. I admire him and Elizabeth for keeping on in the face of adversity, I think it’s an admirable way to live their lives. But I’m concerned about John’s ability to focus on our business in the face of Elizabeth’s condition. I guess I’d feel better if one of his partners from the days when their son was killed could come forward and convincingly say that John was able to compartmentalize his grief and keep getting the job done.
BC
I recently picked up Ortega y Gasset’s Revolt of the Masses. He begins with a point that while obvious, is at the same time difficult to perceive in the present. Whatever true leaders may be, there is just no reason to assume as we tend to, that they are emerging more or less evenly in historical time. On the contrary, (and our yearnings aside), there are periods when civilization must plod through threats and confusion for lack of leaders. If ever there was such a time…
perris @ 42
***
[Modnote: if you open italics with em you need to close with /em, thanks]
Right on! You SHOULD do some of her speeches. Pelosi is so good at doing the genteel smackdown. Those would be some excellent points for her to deliver in her inimitable style.
perris @189:
What I am about is supporting a candidate that can appeal to more than 50% of the voters. I see nothing wrong with marrying someone half your age-BUT MOST AMERICANS DO.
I want to win this time, that’s all.
eyesonthestreet @ 207
I agree with your point, run a candidate that has as little for the oposition to critisize…however I don’t think you’re correct about this particular age differance
I think most Americans believe a 30 year old women is surely mature and capable of being attracted to a 60 year old man…
if I say so myself, I am in much better shape and much better looking then most men in their 20’s and teenagers up to my age group come on to me
I am attracted to mature intelligent women who take care of themselves…this is usually the 30 year old bracket and when I am out with a women of this age there are absolutley no “stares” or looks of dissaproval, we pretty much look the same age I have to be honest
anyway, I see your point but dissagree with this particular
eyesonthestreet @ 207
Bargain Countertenor @
204
Good to hear your opinion. I’m leaning toward Richardson. I’d love to hear more of your direct experience being governed by him.
jayackroyd at 62
my bumper sticker says-when you tell the truth you don’t have to remember what you said……..i found it in wva.
Perris- we can’t be broken into factions this time. ALL efforts have to be on the person willing to run. Feingold would have been excellent, but alas, he is not running, too bad for us.
Gore has carved an appropriate and honored legacy for himself, on an issue he has cared deeply about his entire life, I am happy for him and his family. Perhaps someday his daughter will run.
Certainly Pelosi and Waxman would be great Presidents, but they have chosen important work, and we need them to continue on that work for now. Pulling either of them out at this point to run a campaign would be suicidal.
I am being practical. Okay, guys?
I don’t want to sound like a broken record on this, but it’s important for Democrats to remember that they didn’t lose Ohio.
It was stolen.
Therefore, time and effort would be well directed to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
This one’s easy. The answer is “no.” It’s classic means-to-an-end reasoning.
eyesonthestreet @ 212
so who for you is the best choice?
Who can win? that is the question. I just don’t know yet. I am watching Obama and Edwards. I don’t like Clinton.
An old story (That I keep telling over and over, but it’s a good one) is the one of Dan Quayle. Quayle was a very strong, absolutely reliable anti-abortionist. Some reporter asked him “What if it was your daughter who wanted an abortion?” Instantly, Quayle went directly into a classic, completely correct, pro-choice position. He said “Well, of course I’d support whatever she wants to do. Abortion would not be our first choice, but I’d respect her decision.”
David Sirota notices the same thing in Three things that disgust me wherein he notes that Matt Dowd couldn’t possibly have cared less about the Iraq War until his own son was involved in it.
*Sigh!* Ah, for the good old days when the king would be directly involved in his own policies! When Richard the Lion-Hearted actually went with his soldiers to “liberate” Palestine instead of just cheering them on from thousands of miles away.
oregondave @ 213
I am sure I am writing this to myself, but for the record, if anyone reads this later, sure the Republicans will try the voter shenanigans.
When someone is going to cheat, they usually play it safe, they cheat a little. Just as in the Purgegate, the emails show how instead of firing all 93 USA’s, they decided 8 was “just right.” See, cheating a little is not really going to be noticed.
So in 2002 and 04, the GOP knew that the vote was going to be close, so if they cheated a little, it would not be noticed. and then if it was, they would put on there bulldog stance so DEMs would back down.
They will try this agin, but the differnce, IMHO, is that in 2008, we have to have a candidate that will win by a large margin. that was, the “little cheating” that will inevitably take place won’t matter. I am sure there are numbers crunchers that can figure out exacty what that margin will be.
Let us not forget, that many liberal Californians have moved, cashed out of their homes, into formerly conserative states. Gee, that must scare the pants off them, he he.
How do we deal with Rove without being him? It’s simple.
Rove made shit up. Lets face it, he lied. They spun a big narrative – and they kept it up, but it’s falling apart.
Build the narrative, but use something substantial – the people, the jobs, the issues, the economy. Built a narrative, slick it up, go hollywood. Use the mortar of campaign BS – but make sure the bricks are real bricks and the structure is for real.
It may take effort, you’ll have to out-endure the BS narrative. But it gives you a weapon they don’t have, and it lets you maintain your integrety while fighting them on their ground.
Hillary is the candidate that will get my vote. When Bill kicks in his support, I think she will be a slam dunk. Even today, Bill has a 64% favorable rating. They call her conniving but would they call a man conniving? She is intelligent, hard working and respected by those who work with her. She is a woman who can fight back under the most vile of circumstances. On the war in Iraq, she is simply playing to the center and that my friends is called the politics of a winner!!
DragonScholar @ 218
I feel your pain.
Phyllis Culbert @ 219
I think we have all our up to our ears in “simply playing politics.” my friend.
she’s a shill, and so was bill.
I’m not a fan of Hillary’s, but when it comes down to a choice between Hillary and Romney, or Hillary and Thompson, or Hillary and ANY Republican. I’m voting for Hillary. I will not vote for her in the primary. I will not vote for Obama in the primary. But if they are my party’s candidate in November ‘08, they’ll get my vote. I’m not living through another Republican presidency again if I can help it.
Zee @ 222
I couldn’t disagree more. If the Democratic party is going to promote as unnatural a candidate as Hillary, I am leaving. third times a charm and 2008 is it for me.
eyesonthestreet @
223
I understand your point completely. But my decision was not an easy one. I will work my butt off to get someone else in. I haven’t yet decided between Edwards and Richardson. But when push comes to shove, I’d rather deal with four years of Hillary, who I strongly disagree with 50% of the time, than a Republican who I strongly disagree with 99% of the time.
Zee @ 224
doesn’t matter kids, she won’t get the nomination.
randiego @
225
Hope not. Who do you think will?
Zee @ 210
Well, I’m supporting Edwards at this point. Richardson has the best vita among the Democratic Party candidates. He’s collected boxtops as a Congresscritter (a good one from most reports), international relations (Clinton’s ambassador to the UN, and his private diplomacy before and since), energy, and executive experience (as governor here.)
The Democratic Party runs our lege, and has since the earth first cooled. We elect R’s now and again for novelty’s sake, especially to send them away to DC, but so far there hasn’t been a way to gerrymander the state lege districts that will allow the R’s anything but minority status.
Richardson has had some problems with the Lege, although not nearly as many as Gary Johnson (R – Toker) had. He called a special session of the legislature as soon as the regular session closed. This pissed off a substantial number of State Senators, who then played some silly games of recessing and returning to session to recess again. They finally figured out that they ought to do something, so they passed some of what Bill wanted (government ethics, limits on campaign contributions, domestic violence, etc.) and dumped the ethics stuff.
So Bill will probably call them back into session in a few weeks. We’ll see how that goes.
One thing you have to understand about our lege. It’s a Ted Mack Amateur Hour thing — they aren’t paid a salary, and they sit in 60 day session (odd years) and 30 day budget sessions (even years.) They tend to resent being called into special session, because it means that they have to leave home and work to go do their legislative duties.
We’ve got more than our share of public corruption. It’s a real problem: our past State Treasurer was indicted and convicted for soliciting and accepting bribes. A very powerful former legislator (Manny Aragon) was indicted last week for fraud and accepting bribes in connection with the Albuquerque Metro Courthouse. And the USAtty’s investigation is continuing … Richardson wants it addressed, the Lege mostly doesn’t seem to want to address the issue. Why should they? There are no limits to campaign contributions now. They can accept dinner at pricey Santa Fe restaurants from lobbyists under the current system. The R’s say, “Elect ethical people and you won’t have ethics problems.” The D’s mostly seem to like the current system. So we’ll see where things go.
Richardson has been fairly successful in strenthening the Governor’s power. Our Constitution provided for a weak-governor system (but not so weak as Texas’). Richardson isn’t a guy who likes being a weak governor, and he’s managed to consolidate power in the Governor’s Office. His most notable success was in creating a Cabinet position for the Secretary of Education in lieu of an elected State Superintendent.
All told, I’d give him a B as Governor. But I’m supporting Edwards for now.
BC
Christy,
I know its late on this thread, and there’s another one up, but it’s early morning here in Hawaii, and I wanted to thank you for your post! You are so right about telling stories– and the right stories! Ronald Reagan proved the effectiveness of stories, even if they’re doddering, inappropriate, and outrageous. The Edwards’ story is spot on, appropriate, and courageous.
But stories do not come in isolation. Edwards has also shown his familiarity with the netroots, and his relationship with the grassroots seems genuine. Also, Edwards has been campaigning so long that he is good in people-to-people contexts.
Thanks again for an insightful post!
Bob in HI
Why have so many of you decided that your choice must be their choice? It is not writ in stone somewhere that hillary/obama/edwards is all we got.
Dennis Kucinich is a little guy w/ very big ideas.
If you want a hero from a teevee show then, by all means, stick to the script. Follow kos or the pundits outline and ignore all the issues you thought important. That way money will, again, be all that matters.
Health care? h/o/e all have plans that equal welfare for the insurance industry and no cap on the costs. By the time any of their plans get through congress they will be laden w/ caveats and pork but the dems will say they have had a great success because nobody is happy. Lipstick on a pig.
And then there is Kucinich. Single payer. Medicare for all. Cut 30% of present costs by eliminating the for profit insurers. Simple. Already proven in Canada. Private medicine but public insurance. This is a position the everybody understands. It is a position that everybody can debate. It is a position that should be a line in the sand for all progressives.
Iraq? h/o/e all want us out.. someday, sort of… as long as we leave enough troops to be a forward base for an attack on the real boogyman, Iran.
And then there is Kucinich. He says we get out now. If Iraq wants help patrolling their streets we will pay Egyptians, Jordanians or the Lebanese to do it. We will continue paying for reconstruction but we wont take their oil. Simple. Case closed. We will quit trying to rule the world.
The national security state? h/o/e says “it’s a dangerous world. Sure, the patriot act needs some tweaking, but we have to give big brother the tools to protect us.”
And then there is Kucinich. Repeal the patriot act. Period. It’s like he and Ron Paul are the only ones running that remember that the foundation of this country is not great leaders, it’s a great Constitution.
On the one hand progressives decry all the attention to Hillery’s hubby, Edward’s hair or Obama’s pecs but discount Kucinich because he is short. It is this kind of thinking that gets progressives labeled ’sissies’, afraid of what others might think.
I watched West Wing for a while but came to the conclusion that it was about a lot of guys who gabbed all day about how hard it was to be a liberal and then got all self congratulatory about accomplishing next to nothing. If you want a teevee president the vote for h/o/e.
If you want a human president, vote for Kucinich.
Al Gore made some serious mistakes in 2000. George Lakoff pointed a number of them out in Moral Politics (which I HIGHLY recommend if you have not read it). His communications failures coupled with his previous choice of running mate continue to give me pause about supporting him (assuming he will eventually get into the race). Gore’s performance in An Inconvenient Truth suggests he can certainly do better, but of course he did not have to face any adversity in that very controlled situation. I want to be convinced that he is the one to support.
Similarly, Edwards had an opportunity in 2004 that parallels Gore’s experience in 2000. He came off as much too scripted, unable to seize the reality of the moment and make the story his own. I sense that he might it in him to accomplish this – but his performance in his one debate with Cheney left me feeling very pessimistic about his performance. Again, I need to be convinced. Can he deal with adversity by taking control of the situation? Can his leadership come through without without destroying the compassion that he so clearly treasures?
Obama is just too much of an unknown at this point. His workers have called me (several times) for money, but have made no effort to tell me who he is or why I should feel a part of his efforts. Does he really think he has such an overwhelming personality that all he needs to do is ask? So far, he has just put me off.
Ms. Clinton is too convinced of her own superiority, too self-righteous. I am constantly reminded of her performance on health care in the early years of Bill’s administration. I am too familiar with the failings to which human beings are prone to support the rise of another “cult of personality”. I would feel much better about her if she would just admit that she makes mistakes. More arrogance is clearly NOT what we need in Washington.
I don’t know much about Kucinich, and I know I should make more of an effort to find out more. The MSM makes it very tough on little known candidates, and really does everyone a disservice. However, the fact that he is not well known undeniably says something about him. However, I promise to make more of an effort to educated myself.
I loved WW. The relationships that were portrayed evoke powerful emotions and make us all yearn for the honest and noble values that we saw portrayed. George Bush has shown us the exact opposite – an administration marked by secretive, selfish motives and opaque, convoluted, hidden agendas. What I want to see from a candidate, more than anything else, is a commitment to open, honest, transparent government for the people. So far, no one has shown me that.
I know exactly how you feel Christie.
Because that’s how I feel.
I typed this out on the Friday after the 2004 election. They say writing is therapeutic for the soul and I needed a whole lotta therapeutasizing (TM) after Kerry’s debacle – especially his concession – especially after he promised to “fight” for the people who invested their time and effort trying to convince others to vote for him because he was a “fighter”. I voted for kerry but not enthusiastically – not because of what I didn’t know – but because of what I did know.
I typed that then as a Deaniac; and former Wellstone voter; and after hearing Barack’s speech at the Democratic convention (before I learned of some of his troubling votes)
I don’t know for whom I’m voting, although it will not be Hillary (even if she’s the nominee); I could vote for Edwards; I could vote for Kucinich; the one person I could definitely vote for is Ron Paul, I don’t agree with everything he says but only the most important things (to me)
I’m not going to hold my nose while voting again
Just my two cents
You have focused on what I have been saying for many months is indeed our greatest need.
In all likelihood, someone has already discussed this. I haven’t read all 230 comments; there just isn’t enough time. That notwithstanding, I’ll put my two cents in.
We can’t sell leadership nor can we buy it, although we can promote it and exploit it. Natural born talent and gifts have as much to do with being a true leader as they do with being a good artist. Leadership can be taught, but if the “student” does not possess the requisite talent and skills, the final product is at best a good “manager.”
Key components or characteristics of a leader are the leader’s ethics, values, and principles, which makes it quite obvious why there are so few true political leaders over time that make it to the presidential level. Then there is the absolute prerequisite characteristic of charisma. No charisma, no leader.
Regrettably, there are no leaders in the Bush administration that present themselves to the public at large. The Rovian ethics and Bush “charisma” (amongst other things) of this administration eliminate the possibility of leadership by default, and we can clearly see the profound negative results of a void of leadership.
John Edwards may have many of us fooled, but I don’t think so. I think leadership is Edward’s greatest asset. I started watching Edwards long before he was a Senator and knew at the time he had substantial possibilities.
This may be the issue we face in trying to solve the question, how do we sell leadership. People have a propensity to follow those that reflect or share similar interests and values, which is quite telling about the values of our American society the past few years. A true leader taking the helm in 2009 will have an enormous challenge to inspire and reorient the basic value system of this country, but it can be done if there are enough high-level followers to help seed the fields.
When I say values, ethics, etc., I do not mean the characteristics often associated with right-wing Judeo-Christian fundamentalist “values,” etc., although some of their values are applicable, but in limited quantities. They have yet to learn, “practice what you preach.”
True leaders do not rise frequently to the level of being a presidential candidate. If you think you see leadership, you will be well served to follow what you see.