
From the Carpetbagger:
Over the weekend, Giuliani reportedly told the Cato Institute’s President Ed Crane that a president should have the authority to arrest U.S. citizens with no review. Then, complicating matters, a Giuliani campaign appearance in New Hampshire raised eyebrows even further.
Rudy was asked about the Iraq supplemental. He said he finds it “irresponsible and dangerous.” Then he began to muse about, after a veto, “would the president have the constitutional authority to support them [the troops], anyway?” He said he’s a lawyer so he wouldn’t offer an opinion “off the top of his head,” then he proceeded to do just that.
He seemed to suggest that Bush could fund the Iraq war without Congress providing funding, but it was confusing. In an interview with a New Hampshire TV reporter after his remarks, he seemed more categorical and said, since the war had been authorized by Congress, the president has “the inherent authority to support the troops.”
National Review’s Rich Lowry was kind enough to note that Giuliani’s comments “could be seized on by his critics to argue that he has a dangerously out-sized view of presidential powers.” Ya think?
I guess we all kind of expect this kind of self-aggrandizing authoritarianism from crazy Rudi -- you can see his ego virtually swell as he envisions himself telling Congress to go Cheney themselves. But it does raise the question -- you don't regularly hear a whole lot from the '08 Presidential candidates on George Bush's egregious overreach, or criticism of the Unitary Executive. Certainly not everyone is as megalomaniacal as Rudi and it's understandable that some may not want to stitch themselves up today with hypotheticals that may infringe on tomorrow's realities, but the BushCo. abuses have been so gross and so flagrant that it would be comforting to hear a few of them come out swinging for the fences.
And completely off topic...much love and thanks to Jeralyn. She was a gem.
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Jane again!
It just leaves me slack-jawed with astonishment that anyone could take him seriously as a candidate for even a second.
What a dearth of viable candidates the Republicans have!
Rudy spoke . . . and Jesus wept.
Delusions of Grandeur in a nutshell.
those of us who lived thru “guiliani time” in nyc remember him as the petty, thin skinned, dictatorial, authoritarian, humorless, racist, in your face fool that he was, whose political career was dead … and then came 9.11, when in the complete absence of any kind of national leadership he was on tv more often than any other elected official.
i am looking forward to:
– the firefighters in nyc publicly repudiating him for his treatment of them after 9.11
– the idiocy of his command hq being placed in the wtc complex being brought front and center, and stripping away his pretense of knowing anything about anything
– his having a hissy fit live on the teevee
Giuliani for Fuehrer!
WTC-7
Jane!
Just was EPU’d but I thought that you’d be interested in this in regards to Limbaugh and Hatch’s assertions about Carlo Lam.
I just went on the Federal Elections Commission site and found that Carol Lam, not only is unlikely to have been a campaign manager for a DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE…but if she were a campaign manager at all (and what an Attorney in the US Attorney’s Office would be doing running a campaign at that date is simply the worst kind of wing-nuttery) it was likely to someone of “Republican persuasion”…perhaps a local campaign manager to TOM CAMPBELL!
http://www.opensecrets.org
But this is what it showed:
Results: 1 records found in 1.7578 seconds.
Total for this search: $1,000
Search Criteria:
Donor name: Lam, Carol
Donor State: CA
Cycle(s) selected: All
Contributor: LAM, CAROL C MS
LA JOLLA,CA 92037
Occupation: U S ATTORNEY’S OFFICE
Date: 1/3/2000
Amount: $1,000
Recipient: Campbell, Tom
LS @ 4
I think you meant nut case.
Was Giuliani ever a baby? As with most of these types, it’s hard to imagine that there was ever a time in their lives that they were innocent. Especially Rush.
Add to that, on 9/11 alone,
-sending people back to work on Wall St while air was still filled with poison
-sending people back to live in their apts nearby with poison air & poison dirt (w/ CTW as enabler)
-filling the potholes with 9/11 debris containing body parts
And that’s just on one topic & just for starters.
Subpeona Guiliani’s email from around 9/11/01.
Yep, the Republicans are offering up quite a sorry lot. Catching up on news after being at work all day, and I found headlines about McCain wanting to be on the Kerry ticket in 2004.
McCain really is an opportunistic so and so, isn’t he?
subpoena…peonies…jeesh.
Yeah, not a big surprise there. Like Arnold, Rudy wants to be a (not so?) benevolent dictator.
Perhaps we need to invoke the maxim from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy - the only people we should allow to be President are those who don’t want the job.
And certainly now, trailing after our current, couldn’t get into law school White House occupant, perhaps someone with a little humility about Presidential Powers might be a good idea.
Jeebus.
….and don’t forget his buddy Kerik.
ccmask @ 16
Yeah, and get his emails too!!!
Alicia @
2
Uh.. don’t you mean vile candidates?
LS @ 17
Yeah! He’s a magician. Able to colapse tall buildings in a single second….
ccmask @ 16
He’s also got problems in his business, like who his clients are. Came up when he first announced, but has been MSM silence since then, so I have no details.
Ain’t no dearth of vile Repub candidates, more like a glut.
LS @ 14
My brain wants to do that all of the time..
maybe this one will clear it up. peonies envy..)
cinnamonape @ 8
what, Hatch AND Limbaugh lied? Isn’t that the Seventh sign?
Mutant Poodle at 15–I love Hitchhiker’s Guide, and around our house we quote that line about who shouldn’t be allowed to be president all the time.
Gotta go find that “take me to your lizard” thing now…
Peterr >
Amen.
“First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.” - Gandhi
“egregious overreach”
Thank you. Wishing you good health, happiness, and maximum buttkicking energy.
Jeralyn seems a very good friend. Her description of your walks in CT and your omnipresent joie de vivre made me immediately think of this:
As far as I can see and as much as I know, you have a ready and able circle of friends that are here for you because you are Jane, a most amazing person.
Be well.
Doesn’t anyone ask these STUPID people why they HATE the constitution?
Cassie
Just reading Rudy’ wiki. He prosecuted Marc Rich. Do you suppose he’ll reserve the pardon?
Bustednuckles @
21
oooppss was so focused on the “viable” didn’t read it closely. :) What busted said.
Cassie @ 28
What’s that?
From the TalkLeft link:
Kudos to Jeralyn. I don’t think I could have handled five days of that…
OK - Anagram fun time:
Rudy Guliani = Ruin ugly aide
Rush Limbaugh = I bag hurl mush
Here’s his name at the top of wiki:
Rudolph William Louis “Rudy” Giuliani III
Here’s his father’s name: Harold Angel Giuliani
Can someone ’spain to me how he got to be a 3-sticks? Some Italian convention going back to earlier ancesters?
Cassie >
Probably get STUPID answers but it certainly would be worth having them on the record.
Ah the TradMedia, such lap dogs tho.
“The palest ink is better than the best memory.” - Chinese Proverb
If we still have our freedoms, that means the terrorists who hate our freedoms will have won.
Just saying.
Some Americans act as though they’ve never read Gibbon’s “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”.
joysness @
18
No, VILE candidates there’s an abundance of.
LS @ 31
Well, I took US history last year, and they taught us about it. I think it is how they started this country and made the first few laws. Till 2001. Then history just changed like dizzy glasses. :)
Swopa @ 32
even if she is a fabulous cook?
LOL
you funny, Swopa.
Hi Cassie– did you not hear that the Constitution is “quaint”?
I’ve said before and will say agian, if Rudy hadn’t used his prostate cancer as an excuse, Hillary was all set to mop the floors with him in the 2K senate race.
eureka springs 22
maybe this one will clear it up. peonies envy..)
on my god that cracked me up 707!!!!!!!!!! you crack me up and make me thing a lot of times, but this one, oh. my. god.
dakine01 @ 41
Back for a second try. Guess his ego couldn’t stand it.
Introducing …… a blog for left leaning youth …. http://youthinkleft.com/ Now in the beta stage. Will be fully functioning soon :)
Cassie @ 39
Yeah, I heard somebody impordant said it was just a g-dam piece of paper…
Cassie @ 44
bravo!
great name– YOU is the first word & THINK is the central word!
wow.
eCAHNomics @
43
Some folks just never learn their lessons.
Feingold on KO.
angie @ 46
:) :) :) (takes a bow)
Cassie @ 44
Yeah! Nice. Looks like Mambo. no fdl linky? :)
my 42 make me think, not thing
Thanks for the Keith heads-up, Terry.
Eureka Springs @ 22
peein’ on america
MelodyMaker @ 50
ummm. ummmm. i will get daniel to put one in. don’t supposed firedoglake wants to link to us in a few days when we’re 100% up ?????
More from wiki (my bold):
joysness @
18
There is no dearth of vile candidates!
Cassie @ 54
Don’t ask me, I just don’t work here. Jane’s probably a little tuckered out after posting all day.
More good wiki stuff–the stuff Rudy is made of:
LS @ 14
Like I said before, typos are part of the charm! (Hi, LHP!)
this is more frightening then anyone realizes;
these morons have the following strategy, to which I pontificated on another thread;
“they say it, they say it with authority, they say it in the face of the facts, they say it in the face of every shred of evidence to the contrary and they say it for the very purpose of creating a debate
a debate which they will then turn to mean “there are varying positions and opinions”
this is the neo fascist strategy and it works very well on their minions and the marionettes.
from the puppeteer to the marionettes mindless jaws, the repeat without thought, they are beholden to all that is spoken from their authoritarian figures of leadership
Cassie @
44
Definitely the best possible name. I’m putting you on my blogroll.
Jeralyn is a fabulous cook but having lived with Swopa he could not have handled the pizza deprivation.
Cruel and unusual some would call it.
LS @ 31
It’s a quaint document, not unlike the Geneva conventions…
I love that Keith just used the words “Dukakis tank moment” in the teaser to the upcoming segment about McCain’s stroll through the streets of Iraq.
neocon into neo fascist just one short step.
Britain would like its pilots to consider kamikaze attacks…and they aren’t referring to the drink…ain’t that Sweeet?
Cassie,
I’ve been asking people for a few years now how they can justify supporting Bush AND our constitution.
They take me by the hand, treat me like a feeble aunt, and explain slowly that see, since 9/11, we have to fight the war on terror and….yadda yadda.
Evidently we now have to just—give up several constitutional rights because, hey, if we don’t we’re terrorist lovers!
Good point on KO: All the soldiers guarding McCain & Co. were Americans. Where are those Iraqi soldiers we’re doing such a bang-up job of training?
Cassie - girl, you’re busting out - congrats on the newest digs! And I had forgotten about the montage pic.
I just want to know how to keep the ants off my peonies.
anybody know how?
I have peonies envy, too. I knew a woman not long ago in CT who would bring bouquets of them to all of us working in the hospital, and not one ant emerged, ever.
She’s gone now, and I cannot make my 2 plants give me anything but beautiful, fragrant, ant infested flowies.
I think these ants might be republicans– all show, but deeply devious!
(note to self– Swopa likes pizza)
jane hamsher @ 62
Exactly the point I was trying to make. After two days, I would have confessed to everything Khalid Sheikh Mohammed took credit for, just for a scrap of salami.
eCAHNomics @ 55
well then, he fits righ in with the rest of his party of draft dodgers
in point of fact, if you support our armed forces and military then you are not a republican you are a democrat
yet the marionettes repeat the rubish as if the republican party of draft dodgers and military morons has a clue
Tommy Thompson is looking better and better for the Repugs. The rest of the field is just beyond belief:
Romney - best flip flopper in the crowd
McCain - his dementia is getting worse
Rudy - “Don’t pick on my wife - which one you ask?”
Fred - I like young women
Tancredo - I don’t like anyone!!
Renee in Ohio @ 52
My pleasure. Larry Johnson was great too saying that McCain should have known better than to put American soldiers and Iraqi merchants at this kind of risk.
jane=
reading jeralyn’s post
made me think of my best friend of 30 years, known her since i was 17, who just visited right before her knee replacement surgery……..had a blast in this seohio natural wonderland, spoiled her rotten and it’s gotten her through this past week of miserableness……am going to see her next week to hang out and help her and take her chinese for lunch…..friends want to be able to nurture you and help you through the scary parts, i am glad you are letting them. i don’t know what i would do without her, and i’m sure your friends feel the same…….she got me through 3 back surgeries, and much more and i would do anything for her……spoiled her rotten while she was here and will spoil her when i visit…..(stay at my parents’ right down the road from her so will be good time in more ways than one)
good food will help you heal, so, keep eating like jeralyn was there. wish i could convey all of my good wishes to you. made donations to show my support. encourage all to do the same……….keep your head up and jivin’ to a tune………..walkin’ proud……..eatin’ right……..feeling a sense of accomplishment to what you are offering. it is an amazing thing-((((firedoglake))))
mrsmarks @ 68
But were they American military or Blackwater folks?
Margot @ 67
That is also how they justify staying in Iraq to make sure they have a constitution, because we have to fix the Iraqi government, since they attacked us on 9/11 right before they were making WMD’s, which they then sent to Syria, which is why Pelosi is a bad person to go there. :}
angie - Last year my peonies made huge buds and 80 percent did not open. Someone mentioned ants are needed to help the bloom open up… Every year before that I had wonderful open blooms covered in ants… fwiw
Most Republicans in and out of office, support the Iraq war and George Bush. And I am not prepared to say my party, the Dems, are going to score a lanslide in 2008.
Margot @
67
You are not following the implied logic.
You see, terrorists hate us for our freedoms, so if we get rid of our freedoms then the terrorists won’t hate us so much so we can defeat them and win the war. It’s simple.
Republicans are not coming out against any aspect of the Bush Administration because they are owned by the Bush family. Any other explanation defies logic.
Eureka Springs @ 78
Of course, if the ants were under the peonies, then they would be sub peonied. From this vantage, if a mosquito landed on a flower, the ants could then test a fly.
Morris Sheppard 80,
Yes, that’s it! The country is suffering from Implied Logic Syndrome (ILS).
Eureka Springs @ 78
I know the ants are attracted to the nectar. I guess I’ll just go sniff them outdoors.
ROTFLMAO! Morris Sheppard @ 82!
Hillary/Obama in ‘08. Ugh.
Badwater @ 81
Then there’s the idea that they all watch too much Fox and are under the belief that Bush is a strong and popular President and backing him is the route to both happiness and electoral victory.
angie @ 84
Dawn dishwashing liquid.
Eureka Springs @ 78
Interesting. Mine are always covered with ants and they’re unbelievably healthy given the amount of attention I give them. (Other than taking pictures) I just chop em down and mulch em with cocoa shells and they come back like crazy. Haven seen my peenies poking up yet…
Bottom line: Republicans love George.
angie
be not afraid of the ants in your peonies
they are a part of the cycle of life, shake them off…ants love peonies….if it really bothers you submerse the blossoms in water……….the ants will no longer be a problem.
i used to make potpourri out of mostly peony petals and roses……nothing like it………peonys make excellent potpourri, add any oil you like……….i had big garbage bags of petals, and would toss them with oils……..was fun………..
i_love_ny @ 5
Have been in NYC for 25 years and agree completely with i_love_ny’s assessment of the Giuliani era. He’s Bush with brains and it was a scary time to live here.
My favorite Rudy story is when “New York” magazine ran a MTA bus ad (11/97)
“Possibly the only good thing in New York Rudy hasn’t taken credit for.” Rudy pressured the MTA to have the ads removed but “NY” successfully sued. He always took credit for the good work of others (e.g. Bill Bratton, police commish) and then forced them out.
Watching his campaign should be intriguing. There’s a lot more personal dirt to come out on both him and the current missus. I can’t imagine he won’t explode in the perfect “You Tube” moment if pushed on that score. He’s already whining about the media interest in his wife.
They should paint the White House black if that pair ever takes up residence.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 89
So TRUE. My R friends twist in the wind trying to agree with him when they really don’t.
Re: peonies. It sounds like the bud needs the ants to eat the sugar or sap or whatever… that allows the buds to open. Sounds like it’s one of their jobs.
dmac @ 90
that makes a lot of sense. so my dear friend Heidi drowned them or had a much more vigorous shake than i do. i’m definately into the cycle of life and will enjoy them outdoors for their peak and pull their petals in when the ants don’t want them anymore!
thanks dmac.
Wow. 4 posts in a row, Jane. Easy now. We’re gonna need your strength in 2008.
Jane NYC 91, and i love NY @ 5,
As an ex-NYCer, you have described my experience exactly.
Jane (nyc) @
91
We also need to keep repeating the names of Abner Luima and Amadou Diallo and how “Giuliani Time” made the cops feel they had a license to respond as they did to these two gentlemen.
MOD NOTE: Please do not quote this again. Thanks.
LS– I lived in CT during Rudi’s reign and it was amazing to see the homeless and the beggars being kept out of sight of the folks coming off the CT, NY, and NJ trains in Grand Central or Penn Station.
But, if you looked close enough, it was still there.
all there, and worse.
(I lived there before, during and after Ghouliani)
Rudi can flail.
Hear them sayin’
How you get a rude and a reckless?
Don’t you be so crude and a feckless
You been drinking brew for breakfast
Rudie can’t fail
dmac, now I feel bad…I’m serious..
Why can’t we just accept that ants like peonies and peonies need ants. Why do we have to think that we have to get rid of the ants, whose natural instinct is to do whatever they need to do in the cycle of life? Accept that, observe them, and allow it to be. I, in a kneejerk reaction, suggested Dawn, which would create ant demise, that’s what made me feel bad, because I love ants as much as I love peonies.
All of this started because I misspelled subpoena. To that, I still say get all the e-mails of the web Rove wove.
Giuliani has had such a family values life that I just cannot wait to see the part where he publicly confesses to all his sins before James Dobson and Pat Robertson. Should give new meaning to “come to Jesus”.
FYI, Eli is upstairs
The operative assumption here being that the “typical” rethug hanger-on is actually an informed member of the public and not just an ignorant kneejerk coach potato whose consumption of media is limited to Rush on the alarm clock and American idol on TV (doesn’t even watch the noise channel). I’m pretty much persuaded that much of the base comprises the latter, and not the former. They may still support shrub because they’ve tuned out to any news about the countless scandals going on…
- asw
Morris Sheppard @
86
LS - My two cents, don’t feel bad.. Dawn wouldn’t kill them, just make them move a little…)
angie @ 98
I lived there from 1972-1998. My favorite Ghouliani stories were when my car was parked on the Upper West Side during the winter. I came out in the morning to find that my car’s ignition had been ripped out and stolen!! I couldn’t move it to the “alternate” side of the street in time because of that - and so that day, they towed it to Fort Apache the Bronx. I had to go on about a million subways to get there to retrieve it - it cost me tons of money - and the tow truck operators that prowled NYC at the time left the windows to my car open, so there was 1 foot of snow inside my car. Even though my car and I were victims of crime, I had to pay the ticket, to pay the towing lot charge, and to have it towed from the lot to take it to be repaired, and to repair it. Another time, my windshield was stolen at night, and I got a ticket for having no windshield that day!! I remember driving down the highway to get a new windshield with my hair flying like that old Wagner music ad. It was crazy.
Eureka Springs @ 104
Thanks Eureka! I really love nature so much and, as a gardener, I have to be careful to remember to keep the critters natural tendencies and habits in consideration, even when I want something “splendid”. It is all so beautiful.
ls at 100
all of it starts with a seed planted========
a friend, a devout buddhist, just explained it to me last weekend, monks are supposed to never kill(the fire ants that took over a buddhist temple was the topic of conversation, i would kill them, they can’t kill them) he said we are not bound by that, we are not monks, not bound by the not killing, that in each of our needs to serve a higher purpose we are excused from murdering life forms, as, we are not perfect. as in, killing spiders, ants, etc., i found it to be controversial, but he knows his stuff…….shake the ants off……leave them outside in water for a night, they will travel back to the bush…….or drown them in water………
and rove? i had a meltdown, the real kind, a few years ago where i saw all things coming that were bad, all of the things you all talk about, it was real, i remained kind, and was convinced that that is what would save the world…being kind and asking questions……the more i learn, the more i learn that what i saw in my meltdown was coming true….so much for psychotic states, you see things……..and they might become true…..my best friend said that it was just because i see around corners………..
i have no doubt that his emails are under inspection as we speak, cuz in my meltdown, the good guys won…..and waxman isn’t a fool……..the good guys won, cuz i was kind….that’s what i believed in my ’state’ and i still believe that being back in the real world….so the bad guys lose, just a matter of time in my book……..i saw what i saw, i may have been psychotic-manic episode-but it was as real as my dinner i just ate………..they lose.
and don’t be afraid of manic–egregious is bipolar, too, i didn’t know till i went there, and have been trying to make sense of what i saw since then………since then, what i think is, i saw what i saw, and they lose……..because we are kind.
probably shouldn’t have said all of this, but it is what it is………natural instincts will always lead to the truth of things, ants or humans……….and being kind is never wrong.
I’m afraid “dangerously out-sized view of presidential powers” is not really a deal-breaker to GOP primary voters. I think Guiliani is gambling that primary voters are going to play a game of “Who’s More Fascist?” rather than “Who’s More Pious?”
LS @
77
I love this bit of logic. It points out the utter stupidity of Republicanism.
First they say Iraq wanted to attack us or did attack us or wanted to assist Al Qaeda to attack us and then they say we have to fix their country.
Shouldn’t Republicans who support this war be saying we should bomb them all into oblivion?
Shouldn’t they say at minimum that all the Sunnis (Saddam’s ethnic group) should pay dearly for thinking about wanting to help someone else who might want to attack us?
Republicans don’t stand for anything but, “I’ve got mine. Cheney yourself.”