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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-601931</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like I said, knock yourself out if you want to be outraged about something that happened thirty years ago before she even met Giuliani. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My entire point is that we shouldn’t be hypocritical about digging into spouses’ backgrounds in an effort to discredit a political candidate unless there is some kind of direct connection (re: Hadasah Liberman’s ties to big pharma). We all threw a fit when the GOP started flinging shit about Hillary when (and even before) she was First Lady, so to turn around and do the same, out of simple spite, lowers us to their level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can’t complain about the depths to which the political process has sunk if we’re not willing to take the high road ourselves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, knock yourself out if you want to be outraged about something that happened thirty years ago before she even met Giuliani. </p>
<p>My entire point is that we shouldn’t be hypocritical about digging into spouses’ backgrounds in an effort to discredit a political candidate unless there is some kind of direct connection (re: Hadasah Liberman’s ties to big pharma). We all threw a fit when the GOP started flinging shit about Hillary when (and even before) she was First Lady, so to turn around and do the same, out of simple spite, lowers us to their level.</p>
<p>We can’t complain about the depths to which the political process has sunk if we’re not willing to take the high road ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-601507</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was &lt;b&gt;sales&lt;/b&gt; Tom, not “animal testing”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The boopsie-bot surgical tool salesforce went out to strut and arch and make big eyes…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AND STAPLE PUPPIES AS A GODDAMN SALES PITCH&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;without even the excuse of testing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The puppies were market props - picked out for euthanasia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What part of STAPLED LIVING PUPPIES AND THEN KILLED THEM SO SHE COULD SELL GODDAMNED STAPLERS  SO CRAPPY THEY MAIMED PATIENTS&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;has yet to sink in?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hello neurons - calling all synapses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rudy’s honey chose to make her money from the stapling-puppies-before-you-murder-them industry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In Rudy’s White House, the family pet would be stapled puppies - euthanized and dumped in the garbage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-600675&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tom @&lt;br /&gt;
                152              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-600664&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kirk murphy @ 146&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Guess what, Tom?&lt;br /&gt;
I’ve always despised the eager whores who sacrifice animals to demonstrate surgical products and bring home six failure salaries.&lt;br /&gt;
You have no direct knowledge of my emotions.&lt;br /&gt;
My outrage is real.  As is PETA’s.&lt;br /&gt;
And Rudy’s candidacy is in asystole.&lt;br /&gt;
Because of this real issue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m quite sure your outrage at the mistreatment of animals is real. However, we’re talking about something that happened in the late 70’s, which, if you’re old enough to recall, was not exactly &lt;b&gt;a high-water mark for animal testing.&lt;br /&gt;
This woman was acting as a sales rep for that company&lt;/b&gt;, and nothing I’ve seen so far indicates that she even knew about the testing or condoned it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want to make an issue of it, be my guest, but in the pantheon of real issues facing Giuliani, this is probably the least of his worries.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How odd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here a nationally known blog front pages Rudy’s little problem with Cruella the Puppy Stapler, and &lt;b&gt;Behold!&lt;/b&gt; new arrivals show up at the Lake to tell us this isn’t important. And then they muddle the facts in the way that favors Rudy.  And then they tell us Rudy doesn’t care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And we’ve been watching the Rethug PR attack teams since Donald Segretti.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Rethugs decline, we see&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  more slime - less traction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nice try.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tell the campaign we saw though it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Rudy - like all fascists - truly deserves his whippings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He should know - he’s paid for enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For Rudy, the staplings are just a bonus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hope Cruella and Rudy enjoy PETA - for the rest of their natural and unnatural lives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PETA will surely enjoy them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[bolding mine]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was <b>sales</b> Tom, not “animal testing”.</p>
<p>The boopsie-bot surgical tool salesforce went out to strut and arch and make big eyes…</p>
<p>AND STAPLE PUPPIES AS A GODDAMN SALES PITCH</p>
<p>without even the excuse of testing.</p>
<p>The puppies were market props &#8211; picked out for euthanasia.</p>
<p>What part of STAPLED LIVING PUPPIES AND THEN KILLED THEM SO SHE COULD SELL GODDAMNED STAPLERS  SO CRAPPY THEY MAIMED PATIENTS</p>
<p>has yet to sink in?</p>
<p>Hello neurons &#8211; calling all synapses.</p>
<p>Rudy’s honey chose to make her money from the stapling-puppies-before-you-murder-them industry.</p>
<p>In Rudy’s White House, the family pet would be stapled puppies &#8211; euthanized and dumped in the garbage.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-600675"><em>Tom @<br />
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-600664"><em>kirk murphy @ 146</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Guess what, Tom?<br />
I’ve always despised the eager whores who sacrifice animals to demonstrate surgical products and bring home six failure salaries.<br />
You have no direct knowledge of my emotions.<br />
My outrage is real.  As is PETA’s.<br />
And Rudy’s candidacy is in asystole.<br />
Because of this real issue.</p>
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<p>I’m quite sure your outrage at the mistreatment of animals is real. However, we’re talking about something that happened in the late 70’s, which, if you’re old enough to recall, was not exactly <b>a high-water mark for animal testing.<br />
This woman was acting as a sales rep for that company</b>, and nothing I’ve seen so far indicates that she even knew about the testing or condoned it. </p>
<p>If you want to make an issue of it, be my guest, but in the pantheon of real issues facing Giuliani, this is probably the least of his worries.</p>
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<p>How odd.</p>
<p>Here a nationally known blog front pages Rudy’s little problem with Cruella the Puppy Stapler, and <b>Behold!</b> new arrivals show up at the Lake to tell us this isn’t important. And then they muddle the facts in the way that favors Rudy.  And then they tell us Rudy doesn’t care.</p>
<p>And we’ve been watching the Rethug PR attack teams since Donald Segretti.</p>
<p>As Rethugs decline, we see</p>
<p>  more slime &#8211; less traction.</p>
<p>Nice try.</p>
<p>Tell the campaign we saw though it.</p>
<p>And Rudy &#8211; like all fascists &#8211; truly deserves his whippings.</p>
<p>He should know &#8211; he’s paid for enough.</p>
<p>For Rudy, the staplings are just a bonus.</p>
<p>Hope Cruella and Rudy enjoy PETA &#8211; for the rest of their natural and unnatural lives.</p>
<p>PETA will surely enjoy them.</p>
<p>[bolding mine]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-601097</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cruella DeVille. I don’t think we will have Rudi to worry about-I think the whole thing is a disaster everytime he tries. Andrew, Klerik, the marriages (including incest), the flip-flops, and now Cruella (and her secret marriage 2). I have been waiting for someone to make a big deal over him trying to hand the ports and the Homeland Security gig over to the mafia, but it really hasn’t happened. Go figure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cruella DeVille. I don’t think we will have Rudi to worry about-I think the whole thing is a disaster everytime he tries. Andrew, Klerik, the marriages (including incest), the flip-flops, and now Cruella (and her secret marriage 2). I have been waiting for someone to make a big deal over him trying to hand the ports and the Homeland Security gig over to the mafia, but it really hasn’t happened. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Mass Southpaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-600996</link>
		<dc:creator>Mass Southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-600569&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bustednuckles @&lt;br /&gt;
                92              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bogey= one stroke over par.   IANAG.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IANAG: excellent!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-600569"><em>Bustednuckles @<br />
                92              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bogey= one stroke over par.   IANAG.</p>
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<p>IANAG: excellent!</p>
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		<title>By: bluejeansntshirt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-600976</link>
		<dc:creator>bluejeansntshirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just Google: Giuliani Harding&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Google: Giuliani Harding</p>
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		<title>By: enough</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-600842</link>
		<dc:creator>enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is this the wife who will give such wonderful advice about all things presidential?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excuse my confusion, I have a bit of trouble keeping track of the Giuliani wives.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the wife who will give such wonderful advice about all things presidential?</p>
<p>Excuse my confusion, I have a bit of trouble keeping track of the Giuliani wives.</p>
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		<title>By: klyde</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-600726</link>
		<dc:creator>klyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;She tortures small animals for kicks,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is grossly unfair.  There is not one shred of proof that she tortured animals for kicks.  Now profit well that’s another matter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She tortures small animals for kicks,</i></p>
<p>This is grossly unfair.  There is not one shred of proof that she tortured animals for kicks.  Now profit well that’s another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassius Chaerea</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-600710</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassius Chaerea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-600640&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;oddmommy @&lt;br /&gt;
                138              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rudy’s kids hate him too. I think that says something.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, it says a lot about his character. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The divorce itself is nothing. For all we know, Donna was just as much at fault as Rudy. A nice quiet separation would have upset only  the hardest of core.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But &lt;b&gt;you don’t let your kids find out you’re divorcing their mother by announcing it on national TV&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s not civilized behavior. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the kids are now forced to be interviewed about their father, and asked to give him their support, when they likely wish the whole thing would just go away.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-600640"><em>oddmommy @<br />
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<blockquote><p>Rudy’s kids hate him too. I think that says something.</p>
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<p>Yes, it says a lot about his character. </p>
<p>The divorce itself is nothing. For all we know, Donna was just as much at fault as Rudy. A nice quiet separation would have upset only  the hardest of core.  </p>
<p>But <b>you don’t let your kids find out you’re divorcing their mother by announcing it on national TV</b>. </p>
<p>That’s not civilized behavior. </p>
<p>And the kids are now forced to be interviewed about their father, and asked to give him their support, when they likely wish the whole thing would just go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen M</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-600709</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I tend to agree with Tom, not to make excuses for her behavior, but because I think Giuliani has many more personally relevant stories that need (un)covering. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the timeline, 30 years ago may seem out-of-bounds regarding a current spouse who wasn’t a spouse then, but considering the things we know about GWB’s childhoodlum  interest in blowing up frogs, the college “hazing” with coathangers as brands… all well more than 30 years ago, and still they seem so relevant today. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This story, though, really makes me NOT want someone like the 3rd Mrs. Giuliani having any input into health care issues. Even 30 years ago, you’d think a nurse would have had issues with performing that kind of work. What was wrong with actual nursing?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Tom, not to make excuses for her behavior, but because I think Giuliani has many more personally relevant stories that need (un)covering. </p>
<p>As for the timeline, 30 years ago may seem out-of-bounds regarding a current spouse who wasn’t a spouse then, but considering the things we know about GWB’s childhoodlum  interest in blowing up frogs, the college “hazing” with coathangers as brands… all well more than 30 years ago, and still they seem so relevant today. </p>
<p>This story, though, really makes me NOT want someone like the 3rd Mrs. Giuliani having any input into health care issues. Even 30 years ago, you’d think a nurse would have had issues with performing that kind of work. What was wrong with actual nursing?</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/02/de-lovely/#comment-600696</link>
		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it’s murder.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it’s murder.</p>
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