
It wasn't like I was going to vote for him anyway, but this is just wrong:
Judith Giuliani once demonstrated surgical products for a controversial medical-supply company that used dogs - which were later killed - in operations whose only purpose was to sell equipment to doctors, The Post has learned.
"It was a horribly cruel, outrageous program," Friends of Animals President Priscilla Feral said about the demonstrations of medical staplers on dogs conducted by U.S. Surgical Corp. employees during Giuliani's tenure there in the late 1970s.
Feral said U.S. Surgical's demonstrations on hundreds of dogs each year through the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were done to boost sales, not for medical re search or testing.
The dogs were "either put to death following the sales demonstrations because they can't re cover from them, or they die during them," Feral said.
"I'm not going to characterize her, but I hope she regrets it for what it was - a money-grubbing effort," said Feral, whose Darien, Conn.-based activist group waged a heated public-relations battle with the Norwalk-based company for more than a decade.
"I guess the question would be, how does she justify this now? What is her conscience at this stage?" Feral asked about Giuliani's as sociation with U.S. Surgical.
"There's no ethical justification for this."
Quite the fetching pair. She tortures small animals for kicks, his BFFs are crooks. What a fine encore to the Bush Junta it would make.
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SIGH.
Fire this guy’s press agent. At least we know the “GOP slime machine” is working just fine, as usual!
JANE!
Hugs and love to you and the Doggies.
JANE!
“She tortures small animals for kicks, his BFFs are crooks.”
Well, let’s be fair.
She tortured small animals for money, not for kicks.
I didn’t know that he was related to Sen. Frist…
We can be thankful she hooked up with Ghouliani instead of Frist……
You should see what she does to cats!
And now, a song for John McCain and Lindsey Graham
Rudy & Judi are taking a short vacation to Canada so they can get in some quick baby seal-clubbing.
What I always think in response to this kind of animal cruelty story- may what you did to them be done in the next go-round, or the sweet hereafter, to you…
Ok, Jane.
That was just gross.
I don’t think I am tough enough to have read that.
One allegedly “good” week should not a candidacy make, except in the USA.
You know, Jane — Rudy has always been very close to his dommes.
Most dommes are decent humans. One of Rudy’s is a significantly decent one — gifted, lovely, a sincere mom, daughter and friend who has known much tragedy in her life.
Rudy bored the living crap out of her.
So to get some fun out of life for both of them… she made him cross-dress.
And life — at last — sparkled in his squinting eyes.
For, at last, life felt like opera — and he was learning to his shock and satisfaction that he was not to be the tenor but the diva of his dreams.
Rudy and Judy were particularly coy about how they met when they spoke with Barbara Walters.
They were not in that vein about her role in cabinet meetings or in his power as a lover.
There’s a reason why they are so avoidant.
And why he is irrational around her with his claims and promising…
The subby will say anything to please his mistress.
Or she will treat him like a dog.
And we know the terrible meaning that phrase acquires around her.
I’m surprised she didn’t marry the Kitty Kervorkian, Doctor Frist. He’s got more money, for one.
Marie Roget @ 8
I wouldn’t want to have that in my karmic balance sheet, that’s for damn sure
9/11 survivor (sort of) @ 11
Oh. My. Goodness.
Of course, the Law of Balance requires that the most tyrannical assholes be precisely the ones who secretly crave the firmest hands.
Between Giuliani using shredded 9/11 humans to fill those naughty potholes and this little vivisection-as-a-sales tool scheme, this power couple certainly appear to have their
profits, er, prioritie$ in order.Mmmmmm, makes sense. In that pic, she’s got that Cruella DeVille look all over.
Twisted b*tch.
I think she sounds like a perfect follow on for Rove’s permanent R majority campaign and Gonzales’ torture program. Combine them. Torture & kill Ds.
If Guiliani gets the nomination, Dems might want to remind people of who the First Lady would be.
and people think there is no such thing as kismet
my question… can we work Bill Frist into this story? I mean, torturing dogs, torturing cats… seems a natural, GOP-wise.
then there’s always exploding frogs…
such nice people these GOPers are.
Did she change her name after she got her job?
Molly, NYC @ 18
Let’s check her coke purchases & DWI convictions before we get carried away.
Oh Jane, you have no idea what a nightmare Giuliani is. In NYC we refer to his time as “Giuliani Time”, a dark period of rascism and oppression here in our beloved big mango.
This man is seriously unbalanced. I can not believe how much the corporate media fawns over him. And it would be such fun watching him get his clock cleaned in a presidential campaign.
Hi Jane.
Here’s more from a 1988 Time article
What’s more is that Tyco (of convicted felon Dennis Kozlowski infamy) bought this outfit back in the day…anyone here surprised?
Maybe she can help with my gopher problem…
OMG. OMG…This is so gross and so sad.
This is one of those “what have we, as humans, become?” moments.
eCAHNomics @ 22
I get the impression that Rudy/Judy addictions involved leather studded dog collars, stilettos and the familiar refrain, “Yes mistress Judy.”
Marie Roget @ 8
I believe in this. I think you have to experience all the pain you’ve inflicted on others before you can be redeemed. The only problem is I can’t get my mind around how long this would take for the likes of Bush/Cheney.
Judy and Frist used to get high and then go out looking for strays…
Sangemon @ 23
Corporate media & Rs fawn over Rudy because they love authoritarians. Somebody who will come in & make order in the big scary world. And they don’t really care much about how its’ done.
This Judith on her intellectual-scholar-husband, whose brilliance will illuminate the White House:
Biodun @ 31
LOL
Which wife is this again?
Keep her away from Cheney, Rudy !
he’ll be mackin’ on her big time after hearing this !
Good lord, can this man get any sleazier? And I’m not really even paying attention, here.
Oh. My. God.
That DailyKos diary entitled “Judith Giuliani Killed Puppies” wasn’t a gag after all?
Ugh.
And Rudy actually made some stupid comment about the Mrs. sitting in on Cabinet meetings?
Cheese-on-rice, this guy is a f*cking moron; maybe they’re encouraging him to run because with this kind of crap he’ll make any Bush look good.
While not fawning over her brilliant husnband, this is what Judith also likes to do:
(snip)
Judith will say only: “I just love digging in the dirt; I am obsessed with gardening.”
Frank Probst @ 33
The one on the right. (during daylight hours)
kdh22 @ 27
His ’safe word’ is “cinnamon”.
eCAHNomics @ 30
Oh, the bullhorn on 9/11. That pretty much did it. Just a few props and a photo-op is all you need.
pssst…is it just me, or does it look like she’s been sampling the staples around her face?
/meow
Rayne @ 41
perma-smile
Then there’s this bit about about equal partnership in marriage:
I never understood the ongoing appeal of Guiliani with the Repubs until I read, on here I think, that Rudy bought the building that Amercian Media owned, including their archives, after they were attacked by the anthrax terrorists. All that sleazy information in the hands of one man!
Given the corruption that seeps out that they can’t prevent, I wonder how much scandal “prochoice”/”progay”/”proguncontrol” but a heckuva fine Republican Guiliani is sitting on down there in Florida.
Biodun @ 37
And she’s fertilizing the rose garden with what, exactly? [/snark]
I believe this is his third (second trophy) wife. Or maybe he’s a trophy husband.
I am surprised she hasn’t been recruited to demonstrate her techniques to Gonzo and John Yoo.
And also there’s international golfing, black-tie events, and getting back on the plane:
As long as we’re talking ‘SLEAZY’…
The General gives us: “I am Michelle’s hood”
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com.....0214590542
If you don’t like using animals for practice surgery, then the next time you have a life-threating injury, be sure to request a surgeon who has never practiced on animals.
I’m no fan of Guiliani, but it’s way unfair to call this woman a monster. It makes this blog look bad. Not as nutty as most things in the righty blogs, but getting there.
LOL: still one of the funniest bits ever !
The story of George Bush torturing frogs fell down the black hole. I think it was in Molly’s pre-nomination book. Little Georgie had fun by putting lit firecrackers inside of frogs - boom ha ha! It’s the kind of behavior that serial killer profilers are familiar with - but down the memory hole this bit of biography went.
Don’t let any reader/writer/legislator/campaigner get away with “Who knew?” This and more was available in book and newspaper form for lazy journalists and campaigners to find easily. The guy always was a thug. When they say, “Who knew?” you can say, “I knew and it wasn’t my job description to know, why didn’t you?”
Lou Costello @ 48
That is a good article, read it yesterday.
And we know how the future FLOTUS will respond to Katrina-like events:
GOP=Grand Old Puppy-killers.
-GSD
P.S. I am listening to the Hayseed Huckbleberry and Shop-till-you-drop McCain’s presser. Good Lord, McCain sounds totally sedated and demoralized.
This man is in tought shape. I wouldn’t let him watch my pets over a long weekend.
Check out www.crooksandliars.com
The story points out that accompanying McCain were: “100 American soldiers, with three Blackhawk helicopters, and two Apache gunships overhead.” And that’s either a fishing vest or body armour he’s wearing.
Nonetheless, McCain told reporters: “that his visit to the market today was proof that you could indeed ‘walk freely’ in some areas of Baghdad.”
What a loser, as if someone is going to vote for a Republican Senator from the worst Senate in living voters history.
Oh, and wow he is not wearing a helmet - only 100 troops, three BH helicoptors, and two Apache gunships.. umm right.
So where did the bomb go off due to all the security used for this media event.
If I do not see him called a liar on all the major networks and newstations today then something aint right.
J @ 49
My understanding was that she wasn’t practicing surgery but rather demonstrating surgical equipment. & she did what she did as a sales device.
Bionic @ 44
Republicans will get behind Rudy if they believe that he can win. Abortion, gays, and guns are only issues for gaining votes, not for legislating. The only thing that matters to Republican politicians is holding power by any means in order to continue to enrich themselves.
Molly, NYC @
18
For a while anyway.
Frank Probst @ 33
that’s what he (Mr. G) said!
jay—You mean until he divorces her or until the unfortunate accident that brings Jeb into office? Review the Reagan incident. Cui bono?
I knew the day would come when the bad guys would be found out. I just didn’t know how sick it would make me feel. Is nothing they won’t do?
And this is all America’s Mayor and future POTUS has to say about his wife:
Yikes!
J @ 49
I’m not an expert, but it is my understanding that there is significant disagreement in the medical community about the necessity for horrible practices like this.
I CAN’T read this stuff….I love dogs too much.
And I think it is true that Guiliani is a pathologically twisted f**k who might very well outdo Bush.
FOLLOW THE E-MAILS BACK TO FITZ’S INVESTIGATION
How many dog owners are out there? Let’s say lots! How many would be upset at this animal torture? Let’s say lots! All is
RepubBushie competitors need to do is just dogtrot this out.[bitter sarcasm] Sounds like Judith would be a real barrel of laughs to have sitting in on Cabinet meetings. [/bitter sarcasm.]
Larry Johnson at No Quarter also has some of the background poop on the McCain/Graham casual heel to tow stroll in sunny Baghdad, vacationland for the mentally defective.
Please get some helpMr. McCain.
-GSD
J @ 49
Is this the “some of nicest people I know torture animals for fun and profit” defense?
J @ 49
Um, this isn’t testing or training, it’s SALES by killing animals.
And I’ve had staples. They can pop out even with a LOT of practice; I ended up with a hematoma when one popped, took 10 weeks to clear it up.
EvilDrPuma @ 65
I don’t think you are really getting across how bitter your sarcasm is.
That’s my impression of him. When he was mayor, I was too busy working & being a single mom to pay attention to politics. But viscerally I always hated him (& I didn’t hate almost anybody until W became prez), but was never able to articulate why. Now that we are learning about him more thoroughly, as the national spotlight falls on him, the reasons for my intuition become more apparent.
J @ 49
I rarely channel Bill O’Reilly, but…shut up. Just shut up. There’s more to what she’s been involved with than “practicing on animals,” just as there was more to what Frist did than earning a medical degree.
Biodun @ 47
And they think that is praiseworthy when so many people are struggling?
http://ga1.org/campaign/iraq04.....b_iraq0407
Co-sponsor the Feingold-Reid bill
Biodun @ 53
And Rosie O’Donnell gave $1million all on her ownsome. Or was that post 911. Prolly both, knowing her.
In the R world, it’s called playing to the base.
If I may jump into the medical research on dogs question:
I love dogs and I work with surgeons. There are times when research must be done on mammals before it is done on humans.
The heart surgeries that we do on children in St. Petersburg are only possible because of earlier surgeries on dogs in particular.
However, using dogs to demonstrate surgical staples and then killing them is totally unnecessary, contributes NOTHING to medical research, and is just sick, sick, sick.
Bring these people down NOW.
eCAHNomics @ 76
That’s an awfully wordy way to say “bogey.”
Kathryn in MA @ 74
What do you think? Is it a good one. Anyone looked at the text of the bill. I have faith in Feingold, less in Reid these days.
EvilDrPuma @ 77
I’m not a golfer. I don’t know what a bogey is.
This is what his thug-pal Kerik says about America’s Mayor in 2001:
OK, Kerik, you’re f*cked now, even by your friend.
Hi Jane!
hmmm, & Giuliani is the guy who thought those modern art exhibits were offensive?
Re the pre-election allegations of a federal investigation into the Democratic candidate for Senate Menendez, the Republican US attorney was Christopher J. Christie.
http://travel2.nytimes.com/200.....WVVlG/Nl1Q
eCAHNomics @ 80
Damn, you caught me. I’m not a golfer either…I’ve just heard the word.
Terrible, just terrible.
EvilDrPuma @ 83
I think it’s a spirit that lives in sandtraps.
Biodun @ 53
Hmm yeah, instead of doing the obvious and lobbying ChimpCO to do the right thing, she turns the whole affair into a cushy fundraiser and then on the 2nd day she rested and thought it was good.
It raises the question of Ghouiliani’s own charitable giving. Given the amount of wealth he has amassed from his 9/11 celebrity - his personal donations to 9/11 charities should be considerable and I understand they are nil.
Hugh @ 85
Oh my! An entire generation will be confused by this. Oh well.
katherine graham cracker @ 88
A question well worth raising, and it comes with its own answer. Giuliani is just another goddamned profiteer.
scarecrow,
Did you get the links I left for you re Boumediene v Bush on the denial of certiorari in the last thread?
Bogey= one stroke over par. IANAG.
Hugh @ 90
Yes, and thanks much. I printed them out. Appreciate it.
GSD @ 67
I think that deserves a spotlight. Olberman might have a thing or two to say about McCain putting soldier’s lives at risk simpply for political gain. Killing dogs is one thing, but endangering our troops because he was embarrased on national TV?
Bustednuckles @ 90
Yes, as a result of this thread I looked up the definition for a second time, as I didn’t remember it from the other time. It won’t stick. I don’t understand what’s so bad about 1 over par. Not only IANAG, I am a golfing moron–and happy to be so.
she is going to have to defend what she did if Rudy has any chance of getting re elected.
She cannot possibly admit how depraved her behavior was, instead the neo fascists will claim this sacrifice saved lives and they will ignore the fact that this was not a research project but a sales pitch
that’s what we have to hammer
this was NOT research, this was killing animals as a sales pitch
they MIGHT claim these were animals scheduled for destruction, if that is the case, the wing nuts will except this behaior
eCAHNomics @ 95
Yes, as a result of this thread I looked up the definition for a second time, as I didn’t remember it from the other time. It won’t stick. I don’t understand what’s so bad about 1 over par. Not only IANAG, I am a golfing moron–and happy to be so.
IAAGM
all you need to know about golf and goopers is the term mulligan
As a recent NYC resident, I can tell you that this story could cost Rudy votes here. I love dogs, but people here REALLY love dogs. Are there photos of the sales sessions?
IANAD but isn’t the process of euthanizing animals a little less painful than what she did?
What? You don’t find that smile charming and genuine?
eCAHNomics @ 100
With any luck, we’ll find that out around primary time.
OT-my copy of Anatomy of Deceipt was just delivered to my apt. door.
Somebody should ask Mr ‘Ghouiliani’ under oath
‘ Would you tell us ‘everything you know re; The Twin Towers and WTC 7, including who was the explosive company who placed the demo charges to bring the tower down (pulled), who gave them the plans and HOW did they do it all in a few hours with everything else that was happening on-site the day of Sept 11 2001′.
I’d like to start there and see where it goes.
eCAHNomics @ 100
I’m assuming there was anastesia, that’s really the only way to perform the proceedure with as little difficulty as possible
iaoam.d.
When I lived in NYC and Giuliani was Mayor, I felt like the city was beginning to resemble Berlin in the ’30’s, and I left.
[ABC This Morning Interview]
Cynthia McFadden: Rudy Giuliani said in the last few days that, if elected, his wife would be welcome to sit in on the Cabinet meetings. Would you see a role like that for yourself?
Elizabeth Edwards: I would not. I mean, what I am is a sounding board for John and if I have … a separate idea, I don’t go to John and say, “I think on education.” I go to John’s policy person and say, “Is this possible?”
Having grown up in a military family, I’m a true believer in the chain of command, and I don’t get to go — like any citizen, I don’t get to go straight to the president and say, “This is what I think” about something.
I’m a sounding board for him. He’ll ask me whether something rings true in a speech that he’s thinking about giving or asks for my feedback. But, honestly, when I have something separate to say, I go through the chain to do it.
Hugh @ 86
I thought it lived in your nose.
there are unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts of a limo speeding away from the Post’s nightdrop with a partial license plate GINGR…
mrobinsong 107,
Mitt Romney said the same thing about his wife sitting in on cabinet meetings. Must be a Rovian “discussion point”.
eCAHNomics @ 71
I can relate to the experience of not really hating anybody b4 the likes of Bush et al. and Rudy came around.
I never before experienced the kind of emotional/physical response to politics that I do now. The sight of Dick Cheney’s sneering mug on television makes me ill. I had an apoplectic fit when a couple of George Allen zombies dared to post their yard signs in front of my son’s school last fall. (no, it wasn’t a polling place….it was back to school night….and I, er, persuaded them to remove the signs).
I HATE these people. They are evil. They are liars, thieves and murderers.
It gets even worse
http://www.yourlawyer.com/topi.....al_stapler
mrobinsong @ 105
What was Rich’s comment–something about compared to Elizabeth Edwards, everyone is cheese whiz?
Nobody caring much about global warming?
Here is a short summary of Massachusetts v. EPA, decided today by the U.S. Supreme Court. The summary is provided by a lawyer working on global warming and then edited by me. (These are not quotes from the Court’s opinion.) (I am also working on presenting this case to my law stuents today.)