The fact that Valerie Plame Wilson was betrayed by her own government -- by minions working on behalf of the President of the United States -- for their own, personal political purposes which were considered more important, more expedient, more necessary than overall national security concerns? Definitely deserving of a LOT more discussion. From the Waxman hearing (via WaPo):
"But all of my efforts on behalf of the national security of the United States, all of my training, all the value of my years of service, were abruptly ended when my name and identity were exposed irresponsibly."
Plame said she was "shocked by the evidence that emerged" in the Libby trial about the leaking of her identity.
"My name and identity were carelessly and recklessly abused by senior government officials in both the White House and the State Department," she testified. "All of them understood that I worked for the CIA. And, having signed oaths to protect national security secrets, they should have been diligent in protecting me and every CIA officer."
She said the harm done by blowing a CIA cover is "grave," but that she could not provide details in her case. In general, she said, such breaches have endangered CIA officers, destroyed networks of foreign agents and discouraged others from trusting the U.S. government to protect them.
"We in the CIA always know that we might be exposed and threatened by foreign enemies," Plame said. "It was a terrible irony that administration officials were the ones who destroyed my cover." She added that testimony in the Libby trial "indicates that my exposure arose from purely political motives." (emphasis mine)
As Rep. Paul Hodes pointed out so clearly during the hearing, one inadvertent statement might be a mistake, two or three might be sloppiness, but twenty or more directed slips of the tongue exposing a CIA NOC indicates a concerted effort on the part of a whole lot of folks. That those folks worked for the President and Vice President of the United States? And there has been no internal investigation into the security violations, no sanction whatsoever internally -- no corrective action for Karl Rove, who still holds a full security clearance even after admitting to leaking information about Valerie Wilson to Bob Novak and others?
That is appalling and beyond careless and reckless...and goes straight to the heart of why I am not ready to make nice. Not by a longshot.
Patriotism is not something that you dust off and just trot out for public rallies and displays. It is not a flag pin on your lapel. It is not some nifty turn of phrase in a speech that someone else crafted for you to give to a hand-picked audience of your monied cronies and true believers.
Patriotism is what you do when the tough choices are staring you in the face. And, as Brent Budowsky ably points out, the people who exposed Valerie and distorted intelligence to their own vision of how they wanted to view the world are not patriots:
The CIA leak case is not about Joe Wilson, or Valerie Plame, or whether one supports or opposes the Iraq war. The CIA leak case is about integrity and truth in intelligence, which is essential in defeating terrorism, in winning wars when we must fight them, and avoiding wars when we should not fight them. The CIA leak case is about honor and patriotism, about protecting those who serve bravely and covertly, just as we should stand completely behind men and women in uniform.The CIA leak case is about the need for strong human intelligence, a need that is urgent and has been urgent for more than three decades.
The CIA leak case is about the obsession and ideology that disrespects facts, and disrespects truth, and declares Mafia-like vendettas against those who make good faith and professional efforts to ascertain them. The CIA leak case is about using partisan and political pressure to distort and pervert the search for truth, which is what good intelligence is all about, and the CIA leak case is about what goes wrong when these cardinal principles, time honored for every intelligence service on earth, are violated....
This...case is about principles and values far larger than the moment, it is about the declaration of war against truth, against honor, against facts, against our security itself by those who endangered the brave, and now seek pardon for the guilty.
In the world of intelligence it is the truth that sets us free, and the truth that keeps us safe.
It is the truth, as much as the identities, that we must always protect, at all times, at all costs, even at the risk of our lives, as those who seek the truth, to serve our country, risk theirs.
Let's talk a little bit about accountability and consequences. Because I am sure not ready to make nice. Not by a long shot.
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natalie!
JUSTICE!
I am sorry for Valerie, but hopeful that her sacrifice will be one of the camel’s noses under the tent of R corruption.
What was the result of the CIA damage assessment regarding the treasonous outing of Plame?
Specifically: Were any US or foreign agents or contacts killed? What was the dollar cost of doing a damage assessment? What was the dollar cost of the setback in time and manpower in replacing the Plame function? Has the capability to track WMDs post-Plame been restored at least to its levels pre-Plame outing?
Republican: the anti-intelligence party.
In any other time, or USA, it would be treason.
Why is this time different? Have we become generally more scared? scared enough to let an idiot run things like a child? Scared enough to have elected representatives that are still on their knees servicing the king?
and Obama, what a disappointment. Telling bushwa to veto the bill and we will give you what you want? that is treason as well. I am disgusted. does no one represent us?
For Jane:
With much love.
the AIPs, led by a chimp.
(don’t know how to edit my comment at #7)
oldtree @ 8
I heard or saw the Obama statement too, but haven’t seen a link.
albert fall at 6 — No one on the outside is ever going to know the answers to those questions. At least, not for a very long time, I’d say. I know that Larry Johnson has said there was damage in things he has written, but he cannot be specific about what, if anything, happened, because of the need to protect assets that may have been involved. Every person who has spoken to Valerie or any of her CIA cohorts when they were in the field is suspect — even if it was a baggage handler at a hotel or a taxi driver. Every single one of these people — and their families — will have been checked out by foreign governments. And that is just for starters. Read the Bukowsky piece for a taste of what could have happened — but we cannot know for sure because none of us has the clearance AND the “need to know” to hear the information.
Sharon @ 7
R–the no intelligence party.
Now I feel I ought to make a substantive comment. Did anybody else catch the NYT editorial this weekend about Rove? It was surprisingly blunt–all roads lead to Rove. He’s the spider at the center of all the webs, and it’s time for him to go.
It’s about frakkin’ time. Is there some sort of five-year delay the MSM is on lest they hear something…unpleasant?
There’s still more to come on this case. Waxman’s still holding hearings, and Scooter has yet to be sentenced. Does anyone know how sentencing hearings work? Are they open to the public? Can they be televised? Because that’s when the next big “boom” is going to come out in this story. Waxman has noticed that Fitz is already loaded for bear, and his hearings so far have been a way of saying, “Bear? No, no. Here, take my elephant gun instead.”
That is how I feel about Matthew Dowd’s change of heart. I am not ready to make nice.
When he works his butt of like David Brock I will look at him differently, but until that he is just a guy who helped up get into, stay into this evil war and didn’t care about the Iraqi’s and the Americans paying the price. However ONCE his son was on his way suddenly the war looked differently. Disgusting.
I have a son - I can’t imagine sending him off to war. I don’t mean to be cold about Dowd’s - but I hope if I was ever in a position of power I would do my best to keep all men from having to go fight in such an horrific war - not just my own.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 12
Even if we won’t be able to know the answer, we should keep asking the question. The question puts one of the central issues in the spotlight.
oldtree @ 7
Same reason they didn’t prosecute Jane Fonda for treason, we are not at war.
I have been asking this question since this whole incident started.
Who first requested the information about Mrs. Wilson? And who gave the NOC information to anyone in the executive branch?
I know these seems so basic, but was it a fishing expedition to find out what… like… get me everything on Wilson and let’s see what skeletons he has so we can trash him in the press? O lookie here… it says Mrs W is in the CIA… How can we use that?
I know the story goes on about who said what when etc. But how did the entire thing start? If her status was classified, who were the people who had access to this information and where is that information “kept”? … a CIA file? Who conveyed the file to who? And why would the CIA pass this information to the executive… for what purpose? Just because they asked? Just like that?
Seems to me it would be a great idea for Michael Hayden to start stressing this point, publicly and pointedly. When the leader of an organization sticks up for his peeps, it does a lot for morale. I realize he probably doesn’t want to pick a fight with the White House, but at some point you have to stand for institutional integrity, and it starts with the people who work for you.
Frank Probst @
15
I’m just hoping it will happen with time enough to actually do some kind of impeachment hearing or criminal trial. That this case has not already gone so far as to get several indictments is, well, troubling, to say the least.
I’m still going for 6(e)(3)(D).
Treason.
BushCo betrayed a CIA operative in an effort to maintain the lies leading to the war in Iraq, instead of focusing on the War on Terror and Al-Qaeda, specifically in Afghanistan and the northwestern border area of Pakistan. Now see what is happening:
[Modnote: to end a blockquote please remember the “/” thanks]
mmr @ 21
A criminal trial should still be held even if the criminals are no longer in office. These people must be held accountable for the devastation they have wrought.
Bush and Cheney and Rove will continue to throw people under the bus and use American troops as human shields for their pressers until the day they leave the Whitehouse, voluntarily or kicking and screaming.
They have not a shred of honor or decency in their courrupt hearts.
For them, to destroy honorable civil servants is as easy as stepping on a gnat.
-GSD
Scarecrow
Obama says Congress Will Fund Iraq War After Expected Veto by President Bush
Apropos not ready to make nice: that Dixie Chicks movie is excellent - don’t know its exact title - really touching. (although country is not my preferred music).
The public will revile the Repubs for this only if all the facts come out. The Repubs are still in total spin mode (as witness Vicky Toesuck showed) which makes the truth more difficult to penetrate hearts of Americans and the feeble minds of the MSM.
I’m unsure about the Dem strategy here. They should be 100% in attack mode here whenever a microphone is stuck in their face. Facts, history, and American traditions are all on their side. But Dems are still soft-pedaling the issue. My guess is that Waxman & Co. have decided that the drip-drip-drip of facts from is hearings will serve the same purpose.
I hope he is correct, but I have doubts. The landscape has changed dramatically since Watergate where the MSM of the 1970s reported facts. The MSM of the 21st century reports Repub spin only.
egr–there was an obit in the paper here for Dr. N’s mother. Do not know if you know him or want this info.
This was discussed a bit in an earlier thread, but do we know one way or another whether Fitzgerald knew of and/or subpoenaed WH emails to/from Rove/Libby/1×2x6/whoever that were transmitted over the parallel, RNC-based system?
And if not yet, why not now?
Late yesterday Bradblog had this:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4352
(links to Kos available in the original at the link above)
The more we find out about Bush and his minions, the more I come to think that the U.S. is a long way down the road to becoming the old Soviet Union.
GSD @ 25
You’re clearly right. Take the minion Sampson, with a sieve-like memory, so cavalierly “aggragating” names, little caring the effect on untold numbers of lives.
Mod @ 23:
My bad. Thanks.
Christy Hardin Smith @
12
Remember Schmall’s testimony.
CHS @ 12
Agreed that disclosure of the damage assessment is unlikely.
However, does anyone doubt that if the assessment had been that there was no problem, Bush would have released it in a heartbeat?
The fact that it remains under wraps demonstrates that damage was done.
Even a broad description of the damage assessment (we lost X man-months of intelligence; it will cost Y dollars to reconstitute the program) would help drive that point home—Rove et. al. damaged national security in pursuit of a political payback.
bg—I think I’ll be meeting him in a month. If you have a link or just info that would be nice.
Thank you!
kirk murphy @
68
Kirk - thanks, I appreciate. But there’s just a lot about this place I don’t ‘get.’ For instance, I can’t respond to you in yesterday afternoon’s thread, which is less than 18 hours old. And why would it matter to people that there’s a new thread started if they wanted to address the points raised in the old one? And why can’t they find out there’s a new thread by refreshing the main page, like I just did?
And what does ‘EPU’ stand for, anyway?
You can’t impeach Rove, can you? Because as powerful as Bush/Cheney are, I doubt they could fire Rove if they wanted to. Let’s just impeach all of them. It’s not like Cheney didn’t tell Libby to out Plame.
Christy Hardin Smith @
12
Christy, I know I asked this yesterday, but wouldn’t one way to get at least some idea be to check the CIA Memorial for any new stars added since the outing?
My $.02
for anyone who missed it - Bill Maher on Valerie Plame
I am not a big Maher fan - but he hits all the right notes on this one :)
Treasonable Doubt
mmr @ 21: There have already been 5 felony indictments and 4 felony convictions.
Ya’ know, I kinda get the feeling that the Waxman hearing was just a way the Democrats found for Valerie to speak her mind before she was expected to fade away into obscurity. Waxman asked Josh Bolton for details of the WH investigation of the leak but he didn’t ask for a specific deadline for the results to be presented, unlike his other requests to Bolton. I don’t know what’s going on here but I’m not sure I like what I see.
But how did the entire thing start? If her status was classified, who were the people who had access to this information and where is that information “kept”? … a CIA file? Who conveyed the file to who? And why would the CIA pass this information to the executive… for what purpose? Just because they asked? Just like that?
Sadly, yes. Just like that.
Only the rat bastard Cheney would have sufficient knowledge of CIA’s plumbing to acquire NOC bios.
His Langley contact is probably still feeding him stuff.
More Repub spin from Weisman at WaPo…
“Democratic leaders appear to believe there is hardly any territory they cannot stray onto, a development that has Republican political operatives gleeful and some Democrats worried. Rep. Tom Cole (Okla.), chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, warned of a “political price” at the polls: “If they let their constituents and their ideology drive them past the point where the American people are comfortable, they will find how quickly the voters will react.”
What utter bullshit!! The American people already reacted by giving Dems a 7 million vote majority in the ‘06 elections — double the margin by which Shrub beat Kerry (if the count was honest). We want the dictatorship to stop! We want the war to stop! We want our rights restored! There “is hardly any territory” that this administration didn’t completely screw up! Weisman, go Cheney yourself!!!
I believe John Prine has resurrected a few of his songs from the ’60s and ’70s. Especially “Flag Decal”.
“Well, your Flag Decal won’t get you into heaven anymore
It’s already overcrowded by your dity little war”.
Frank Probst @ 15
Please consider taking the time to write to Judge Walton. I sent this via the USSnail. The salutation and physical address is the correct one, from that previous FDL thread at
http://www.firedoglake.com/index.php?s=reggie .
If you follow suit, please put the “In Re:”… on the bottom of the envelope too, to facilitate the sorting of the Judge’s mail.
In Re: Sentencing of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Jr.
April 1, 2007
Dear Judge Walton,
I am just an American Citizen with no other relationship to my Government or anyone in it. I feel it is my patriotic duty to express an opinion in this matter.
Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice in an extraordinarily important case, one involving the probable treason (as I see it; legal definitions aside) of exposing a covert CIA operative and her network, for the purposes of political revenge. If he or anyone were to have been convicted of the latter crime, a judge would probably be mulling the death penalty.
For obstructing the probe into that heinous crime (which MUST have been committed by someone) I say that he should receive the heaviest possible sentence, irrespective of prior record or previous position.
Thank you for your consideration of my views.
Very truly yours,
sonate @ 45
It’s called projection, and the GOP are its past masters.
Christy -
Of all the things Ms. Plame said during her testimony, this statement…
“We in the CIA always know that we might be exposed and threatened by foreign enemies,” Plame said. “It was a terrible irony that administration officials were the ones who destroyed my cover.”
…is the one that most felt like being hit up ’side the head w/a baseball bat.
We may not live to see it but, if there is a hell, the “accountability and consequences” *will* be there. And it couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of non-humans.
OT, but in keeping with the general theme of disgust over the antics of the current maladministration.
Apparently, the otherwise inexplicable way the Hicks case played out at Gitmo last week was the result of a deal between Cheney and Australian PM Howard, who is facing an election soon and has been getting killed in the Australian media for years over this thing. Said deal implemented by the convening authority for military commissions, with the prosecutors assigned to the case left completely in the dark.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlan.....ey_ho.html
I would have thought that if these people had one principle, it would be that they don’t cut sweetheart deals with alleged terra-ists. So much for that. Politics really is the only thing that matters.
RT-
EPU= Evil Parallel Universe
FDL newbies can go to urban dictionary.com for definitions of FDL shorthands.
Digby has a good piece about Republican oppo research and how so many of the newly appointed Justice flacks and hacks were members of the Bush Bullet Battalion used to cultivate and fire opposition artillery at political opponants.
The reason why Red Faced Adulterer Dan Burton was douchey during the recent Waxman hearing is because Barbara Comstock was one of his top hatchet girls for a long time.
Incest is best with this crowd.
-GSD
portia @ 43-
Waxman is doing a brilliant job. Maybe he’s planning things out so that Bush cannot pardon the criminals.
Christy: That’s right, lady. Give no quarter.
Zealously apply ideological boot to right-wing buttocks at regular intervals until they finally get the point. From what I’ve seen thus far (see McCain/Graham reports from Baghdad), they’re gonna need a whoooole lotta cock-roach stomper applications to the posterior before seeing the light.
burnspbesq @ 50
It explains one thing, though…how the hell, after all the illegal incarceration, torture, and denial of rights, one of the (allegedly) most dangerous people in the whole wide world can only get a 9-month sentence.
From that wapo article:
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.). “The Democrats’ honeymoon is fixing to end. It’s going to explode like an IED.”
Made me vomit a little in my mouth, not in a good way either.
Terry Olson @ 53
Especially when the one doing the pardoning is a criminal too.
IIRC, it worked out for a KY Governor to pardon his entire administration.
That should not have stood.
egr, sorry cannot post at your place. link
Anyone else curious why the administration was not able to plant WMD’s in Iraq? And then “discover” them to prove their case. I haven’t seen this question asked or speculated about much.
I’ve always wondered if one reason was that Brewster Jennings was very effective at what they did — i.e. interdicting the flow of weapons and materiel into Iraq.
bg, Thanks for the link. I’ll take it from your comment. Much appreciated.
dakine01 @ 46
Prine- what a master. He’s still doing concerts despite having had throat cancer some yrs. back:
Flag Decal- Philly Folk Fest ‘04
The media is parroting the mythical backlash in regards to alleged Democratic overreach.
The backlash that supposedly damaged the Republicans so severely during the Clinton impeachment.
The backlash that kept them in power in congress from 1994 to 2006 and allowed them to game 2000 and squeak by in 2004.
Ah that backlash…those Dems had better step lightly.
-GSD
burnspbesq @ 50
Would someone plz do a post on that so we can discuss it?
And calling a CIA NOC “fair game” is . . .
smapdi @ 57
Yadda, yadda, yadda. The House GOP doesn’t have the votes to turn up the AC in there, and they know it.
Great work, Christy.
I don’t use the term treason lightly - for fifty years, the Republican goon sqaud “enforcers” hired themselves to the megacorps and used that term to smear anyone working for social justice in defiance of corproate greed.
But the outing of a covert CIA agent for inside the Beltway revenge - in furtherance to a conspiracy to preovide false testimony to Congress - is indeed treason.
I look forward to seeing that term necklaced around every GOP operative, talking head, and GOP-owned “reporter” who carries the Rethugs’ big lie campaign against Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson.
oregondave @ 60
I’ve wondered about that a lot.
oldtree @ 8
No more than selling arms to a rogue state in order to finance a secret war, in express violation of a law specifically passed to prohibit such activity…Another ‘neat idea’.
More on the Hicks deal, from today’s Sydney Morning Herald.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor.....80767.html
Wow. This is stinky, even by the standards of the current regime.
ECah,
That is one of my prime reasons to vote against the grand 9/11 conspiracy. Had they been crafty enough to devise that attack, they would have been crafty enough to have pkanted WMD’s.
They simply believed that they would find somthing…old artillery, blueprints, etc….Which is why their spinners trumpeted every little widget that was buried in some scientists rose garden.
They figured the frenzy and fanfare for their great victory would be enough to carry them through any problems.
They didn’t figure on a five year occupation with thousands of US dead.
-GSD
Everything old seems new again when it comes to protest music from the Vietnam era. Sadly, Phil Ochs is no longer w/us, but great vids still show up on youtube using his songs (explicit war photos advisory):
One More Parade- Phil Ochs
Thanks Christy for keeping the spotlight on this critical issue.
To think that a person robbing a corner grocery store will do more prison time than any of the traitors who outed Plame will ever even have to consider is absolutely absurd. Fleisher, Libby, Rove, Cheney, Robert Novak etc. should be tried as traitors to our nation. They have undermined National Security. Instead they run free, Rove and Cheney have National Security clearance
and millions have died and been injured due to the unending lies that have come out of this corrupt administration.
Why does anyone wonder why there is a crisis in confidence that permeates Americans attitudes towards our elected and selected (Bush) officials. We witnessed a Republican controlled congress hold a President accountable for lying about a B J under oath. Yet that predominately same Republican controlled congress allowed the Bush administration to destroy any integrity that this nation was clinging to by being a rubber stamp for the corruption. The Democrats and “some” Republicans seem to be stepping up to the plate, let’s hope it’s not too late.
It is too late for the dead and injured Iraqi people and 3200 dead American soldiers and 50,ooo injured.
These guys are war criminals and traitors to our National Security. They should be treated accordingly.
Does anyone know what the status of the investigation into the effects that Plames outing had on other agents and intelligence recovery capabilities around the world?
What ever happenned to that investigation? Will there be a report?
Some oaths of office are a statement of loyalty to a constitution or other legal text or to a person or other office-holder (e.g., an oath to support the constitution of the state, or of loyalty to the king). Under the laws of a state it may be considered treason or a high crime to betray a sworn oath of office.
Bustednuckles @ 58
You remember correctly. He pardoned everyone inovlved in a Merit System (KY version of civil service) EXCEPT for himself. He wound up indicted for his actions then got his pet judges to decalre he couldn’t be tried while in office as he was too busy. State AG (dem) wound up settling without admisison of guilt other than admission that wrong had been done. Fletcher is trying to paint himself as victim now but will most likely lose in R primary to Ann Northup R, McConnell (she lost her congressional seat to John Yarmouth).
EvilDrPuma @ 66
Just occurred to me that IED’s aren’t like missiles or RPG’s that are aimed and fired.
This “honeymoon IED” might well go off inside the Republican’s fenceline. Like Abu G’s testimony in a couple weeks…or the transcripts of Elston’s testimony this past week…or like the already exploded 3000-plus pages of documents dumped that we’ve combed through in mere hours, along with the testimony of dismissed USA’s , Sampson, Lurita Doan.
Come to think of it, the honeymoon ended after the first 100 hours, and there’s been nothing but detonations inside Republican’s Beltway Green Zone.
“But Mr Howard said it was “ridiculous” to suggest the sentence had been framed with the election in mind. “We didn’t impose the sentence, the sentence was imposed by the military commission and the plea bargain was worked out between the military prosecution and Mr Hicks’s lawyers, and the suggestion … that it’s got something to do with the Australian election is absurd.”
The sentence was “fixed around the election”.
All politics, all the time.
-GSD
darkblack @ 69
With many of the same players back for an encore since they weren’t punished for their actions the first time. Elliot Abrams and John Poindexter specifically.
smapdi - ooh that pissed me off - am busy writing a LTE to newspapers in his district (Warner Robbins and Waycross)
more Bring It On! bluster from this oh so reliable WH stooge -
and he has never worn the uniform - I wonder how the 93 Georgia families of Iraq Occupation Dead feel about his use of the term IED
GSD @ 71
Incompetence has always been the most cogent argument against the 9/11 conspiracy theory. That and the dumbstruck look on W’s face when he heard the news.
Marie Roget @ 62
I saw him here in San Antone last summer.
mmr @ 21
Sentencing hearings are generally open to the public, but they will not be televised. Presumably, folks like David Shuster will be covering it. Perhaps even a certain empty wheel….
BTW the right wing talking point on outing Valerie Wilson is that what Sandy Berger did is 10x worse and more treasonous. (I heard this on one of the shows over the weekend.) Fox had a special, “Socks, Scissors, Paper: The Sandy Berger Caper….”
Perhaps Bushco was shocked and surprised not to find WMDs. In the beginning they probably believed their own lies. Just think of the pretzel logic they have had to use concerning their entire reign.
portia.vz @ 43
When Fitzgerald ended his press conference by saying that this case was closed unless new information was brought forward. he also offered congress access to the evidence (I believe) used in the trial. Just what kind of “new information” would Fitz need to reopen this case? Is congress doing their job to meet his request?
dakine01 @ 8:22-
So lucky. I haven’t seen him in a long time.
OT but short. Josh’s one liner about today’s WaPo:
Thank you for reminding me, CHS. Perhaps you should re-post it every month for short attention spans like myself. I am going to package up your posting and FAX it to the Unlovely Kingston (R-Ga), to remind HIM what company he keeps.
Christy, Thank you for using the word “betrayed,” as opposed to “outed” in reference to what happened to Agent Plame. “Outing” seems more appropriate to revealing furtive recreational mischief than to betraying the identity of an intelligence officer’s identity and that of Brewster-Jennings who were in all likelyhood trying to provide information vital to controlling the spead of nuclear weapons technology into Iran and other parts of the middle east. The words we use matter, so “betrayal” should be substituted for “outed” when discussing this crime with others so that the magnitude of the crime begins to register with the American public.
A friend suggested I Googled “Eve of Destruction”: one can listen to it right there. It is extraordinary how up-to-the-minute it still is!
o/t
btw Congressman Kingston - those 93 Georgia Military Deaths in Iraq -
only 5 were privates, and 4 of those were PFC’s - the majority are Sgts, Staff Sgts, Corporals, and Lance Corporals
none of the deaths matter more than the other but these losses to the institutional intelligence and wisdom of our military are beyond devastating
GeorgeSimian @
39
Since Rove is a civil officer (if I am not mistaken), he can be impeached. When you state that “…I doubt they could fire Rove if they wanted to”, are you referring to Bush/Cheney? Rove’s appointment was apparently not subject to Senate confirmation, and you know who appointed him.
For the latest PlameGate news, email archives, hearings, legal filings and other essential documents, see:
“The CIA Leak/PlameGate Resources.”
“I doubt they could fire Rove if they wanted to.”
Cause he knows where ALL of the bodies are buried.
maunga -
Voting Record
Campaign Contributions
Open Secrets.org
What has been the result of Waxman’s inquiry to Josh Bolten requesting the details of the required investigation into the leak of classified information at the time of the Plame outing? Mr. Knodell confirmed at the hearing that nothing was done to investigate the breach from his office. Has there been any information about what Mr. Bolten replied? Has he replied?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....ouse-gases
Look! some sanity 5-4 decision and guess who the dissenters are.
egregious @ 22
I agree.
Yesterday, while y’all talked about Orrin Hatch, I (as a habitual non-teevee-watcher) could find only a station with Arlen Spector. When Bob Schieffer made his summary statement, I wrote a comment, but the new thread had already begun. So, I want to repeat it here. It fits.
While Bob Schieffer gave his summary statement
(have the politicians not learned their lesson after Watergate and Iran Contra that lying, in Positions of Trust, does not pay?), I was thinking to myself: I wonder why the Constitution recommends the death penalty for certain acts of treason.
Maybe it is so that traitors who never suffered from too short of a memeory in the first place, but rather from a very long plan to subvert the Constitution cannot come back time and again and do their nefarious deed anew and ever more fiercely.
Hm, I never supported the death penalty, but I cannot find fault with the Constitution either.
Raven from the last thread. Mine all get turkey necks for breakfast every day and sometimes chicken thighs and legs. There are lots of raw meaty bone options. Yes it is the cooking that makes bones dangerous. Hope you see this.