While standing in the checkout line at the local grocery store the other day, I saw the front cover of a recent issue of Time magazine. It showed a pensive Ronald Reagan, an apparently Photoshopped tear trickling down his face, under the header "How The Right Went Wrong", the title of an article by Karen Tumulty explaining that Republicans had abandoned their core principles, much to their detriment: "The principles that propelled the movement have either run their course, or run aground, or been abandoned by Reagan's legatees."
Ahem.
Dearest TRex: Might I borrow your axe, please? There are waterheads among us, and they must be dealt with.
Tumulty is, I am sorry to say, so very full of shit, and she knows it — or should. The Republicans did not "abandon" Reagan's — or Nixon's — principles. On the contrary. The policies of Bush are the full flowering of the anti-tax, anti-poor-people, big-business-is-God, trash-the-public-trust, authoritarian mindset that is Republicanism at its core. In fact, the Bush Junta, from stem to stern, is stuffed chock-full of people who used to work for Reagan, Nixon, or (in the case of Cheney and Rumsfeld) both.
Tumulty writes sorrowfully that Bush and his fellow current Republicans have embraced big government — but admits that so did Reagan, as David Stockman kept lamenting. (Speaking of David Stockman, guess who's in trouble for committing a little investment-related fraud? What was that about 'fiscal responsibility' again, David?)
In fact, the differences between Bush, Reagan and Nixon are not ones of kind, but merely of degree. When I read her lamenting the growth of deficits under the Self-Alleged 'Party of Fiscal Responsibility', I have to ask: Has Tumulty never heard of Grover Norquist? Of course she has. He gleefully preaches the running up of huge deficits in order to force cuts in the kind of government spending that doesn't readily profit big corporations: Namely, social spending. Meanwhile, the military budget — and the money spent on corporate welfare in the form of defense contracts — soars along with the deficit.
I'm not sure what's worse: Pretending not to know this, or actually not knowing this. But once again, I am forced to remember the words of Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it!"
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When they cannot continue to prop up the criminality of the chimp’s administration, they just go back and tell us more lies about reagan – the first senile president and the man that brought us iran/contra and elevated chimpy’s dad to the national political scene.
No republican senate, no republican house, no republican president has ever offered a budget smaller than the budget that preceded it. This small government thing always has been a lie.
…well, of course none of THEIR kids is going to die because they’ve chopped the FDA into garbage, so what’s the problem? They’re families aren’t going to get sick because the “maid” couldn’t afford to get her kids immunized against contagious diseases, so why worry? Of course THEIR profits aren’t going to suffer because nobody can afford to buy their products…oh, wait…who are those people with pitchforks and torches anyway?
“60 Minutes” is smokin’ tonight on the corruption of the drug lobbyists who were the staffers and Cong. Billy Tauzin, writing the Medicare no-negotiation-on-prices bill.
Must see!!! Welcome back to the gold standard, “60 Minutes”
PhARMA & drug bill story on 60 Minutes. Makes me mad again all over. Is it on the D agenda to instate negotiation by govt?
Time used to be a decent magazine. What are they thinking?
I have need to connect only two dots which inform me of what a horrible monster the GOP has become. Lee Atwater (Reagans very close and trusted fascist advisor). And Karl Rove.
Has anyone here seen the slick PharmCo ads with happy people saying “why change the rules to allow the US Govt. to bargain for drugs, thus bringing them down, cause we’re happy on the ranch?”
The blogosphere is doing a good job of holding candidates to the truth…what can we all do about these totally dishonest ads financed by the powerful, that make good people vote against their own best interests?
Just got back from the local Dem organization meeting. FASCINATING discussion about the history of state politics.
What amazed me is that in spite of the incredible breadth of knowledge, there’s a tremendous gap in understanding how state and local politics fit like fingers in a glove with national politics — or how local Republicans game the system to the benefit of the national party.
And it’s always the same challenge; in this state, flirting with shutting down state government because of Republican majority in state legislature, we are talking about selfish, self-centered individuals who are concerned about what more taxes will do to them rather than what reasoned, well-managed revenues will do for this entire state and all its citizens.
Selfish bastards. It comes down to that. The Republican Party has completely devolved from any pretense of higher ideas to utterly narrow-minded self-interested greed.
The Party of “I’ve got mine, piss off and die!”
Bush is the logical conclusion of Reaganism, its reductio ad absurdum.
Don’t neglect the fuck-the-Constitution attitude held over from Iran/Contra.
Progressives need to understand that in every election they will run against Ronald Reagan until they finally beat him. Unfortunately, they’ve not fully engaged Reagan’s doctrine of minimal government, though Paul Krugman is doing a commendable job of pointing the way, and he’s using the health-care issue as a battering ram. Some time we need a whole thread on the myth of the unseen hand.
wagonjak @ 7
Yeah, I’ve seen them. Ditto hospital ads in NYS because a hospital closing commmission targeted several. I’m immune to them (usually mute them because they’re so manipulative), but my guess is they’re pretty effective at going over the heads of the pols to get to the voters. Part of the BE-AFRAID. BE-VERY-AFRAID tactic of Rs to try to maintain power. And with people already so scared about paying medical bills, they are easily maipulated.
The one thing they have left after the Bush trainwreck is Reagan’s conservative “legacy”, tended lovingly by the media then and now. Hertsgaard documented their toadism in 1988, On Bended Knee.
Media waterheads try to protect “conservative” turf via the Reagan myth, hence the bs that Reagan has been betrayed by his ideological descendants. Media bullshit never stops, and it never will. It’s in their contract.
wagonjak @
8
One thing you could do is gather stories. Set up a web site where people could post stories about how their insurance companies treat them. I have a friend who had to have a drug, prescribed by his doctor, for a condition that was going to flare up again if he didn’t get the drug in a timely fashion. The prescription was bounced by the insurance company because it exceeded the monthly limit. To get coverage, the doctor had to call in to override the hold. Getting a doctor to find the time to do this is hard, and he ended up paying full price for a covered drug.
Or I know someone else who suffers from migraines. Here there’s a nine pill limit per month. Period. If he’s had three migraines in the first week, he tends to not take the medication for the third, because he may really need it later on.
Insurance companies are preventing people from receiving the care prescribed by doctors.
Might I borrow your axe, please? There are waterheads among us, and they must be dealt with.
Really? When is this going to happen? When are we going to actually do something as opposed to bitching about it on yet another blogg?
I’m interested in solutions. Got any?
Ronald Reagan made one major contribution to American democracy. He showed that it was fully possible to hold a responsible office and not take that responsibility. Ever since, politicians have been getting away by saying ‘I’m sorry’ (actually not much of that, or ‘I take responsibility,’ but only when there are no consequences to saying it. There is no longer a culture of responsibility in the higher reaches of government. That’s why some people have actually got to jail, and for enough time for the responsibility ethic to return. If they aren’t responsible from an inner moral instinct, then it should be forced to be responsible by the majesty of the law.
I’m looking at you, Reggie Walton.
jayackroyd @ 12
“Insurance” cos. make more profits by denying claims. Works that way in every single type of insurance. Horror stories with Katrina.
Economists call this a moral hazard–where the profit incentive is to do the opposite to what the goal is.
Sorry for the underlining. Don’t know how it happened & don’t know how to fix it. Can’t seem to find my way through the ‘edit’ process.
noen @ 14
Gee, I thought we made some progress last November
Phoenix Woman, I love your postings!
Nice suggestions jayackroyd.
So how do we combat the constant drone of the GOP noise machine and their lackeys in trad. media? How do we fight that?
I have been voting the stright Demo ticket since McCarthy. I just don’t sense the fire from my Party yet. I want a pronounced dichotomy between my Party and the Republicans. Over the broad range of issues.
charlie tuna @
1
Nah, unfortunately, chimpy’s father was already on the national scene even before he put his principles in the blind trust to run with Ray-guns. He had already been CIA director AND chairman of the RNC (as well as a limited time congress critter from Hooston.
Unbelievably off topic, but my best friend is moving and I need to rant. More at egregiousBlog and I wish it were just an April Fools joke.
On the plus side a child is returning home tonight for a visit. Trying to see things in perspective. Generally failing. Welcome to the human race I guess.
Prairie Sunshine @ 4
YES~
I’m so glad I remembered to tune in tonight, Big PHARMA makes me SO MAD! Where are the arrest warrants?
itwasntme @
3
Wrong if your maid or nanny is to poor to get treated for TB then you will get sick too! I wonder if my grand aunt who got TB infected anybody at the houses she used to clean at I know she lost a husband and son to the disease.
noen @ 13
You did see that I said in my comment that I just got back from a Democratic organization meeting, yes? I’m doing something. I’m meeting with group members who are fellow precinct delegates to discuss house parties to encourage greater solidarity in existing Democratic voters, and meet potentially new ones. These same precinct delegates also talked about how to help one of our members win a slot on the school board – a slot that has been held by a Republican for far too long. Our entire group discussed strategy for creation of a local think tank for economic development. We also talked about plans for a speaker from Climate Project on Earth Day, as well as a fundraising event (beerfest!! Mmm-mmm!). Our party historian briefed us on what we need to do to win in 2008 — what resources we need, where and how to direct them, based on historic trends and demographics. And much, much more.
So…what did you do this week? Did you find out when the next local Democratic Party meeting is, or how you can help Progressive Democrats of America’s task force teams, or RSVP for this week’s Democracy for America meetup? Did you volunteer to call voters for canvassing or for GOTV in a local election? Did you offer to help with a fundraising event? (we need dealers at a poker tournament, for example). What did you do?
I come here to the Lake for a break. And when I’m done typing this, I’m back to working on a brochure for our outreach and fundraising program.
p.s. Instead of bitching about bitching, you could actually click on the link that says “SPOTLIGHT” just below the post and send it to TIME’s editorial staff and tell them they suck. Just for starters.
dakine01 @ 22
and don’t forget Grandpa Prescott Bush
Sorry OT…but Sen. Mc(ins)ane has been praising how successful the “surge” has been in stopping attacks.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..kN3zpNYhAF
All this while six US troops died in roadside bombings, and another in a “non-combat” related death. No mention if there were others that died from gunfire, suicide, or from wounds acquired weeks or months earlier. Mc(ins)ane asserted that the Iraqi’s are now taking the lead in attacking the “terrorists”…but US forces actually had far more casualties than the Iraqis in the month of March. So much for being in the forefront of battle!
Mc(ins)ane noted how secure Baghdad was since they were able to drive in armor-plated vehicles and clad in bullet-and-shrapnel proof vests and helmets from the airport to downtown escorted by a detachment of armed troops that cleared the way.
What a pity that the average Baghdadi doesn’t have such equipment and “force protection” to make these pontificating remarks that “it’s safe”.
Mc(Ins)ane’s braying about the success of the surge would make jackasses sound like geniuses.
Terry Olson @
6
Not all that long. It has always leaned to the right if not totally on the darkside. Henry Luce and his widow, Claire Booth Luce were both rapid to the point of foaming at the mouth anti-commies and tended to paint Dems in a relatively anti-light. It was only in the late ’60s to early ’70s that it actually got somewhat non-partisan…
In the wake of 9-11, this country needed, and deserved, leadership that put country ahead of party.
In particular, to combat terrorism, the United States needed to preserve moral authority.
Instead, authoritarians Rove/Cheney/Bush cynically manipulated public fear to abuse the constitution, give vent to their personal love of torture and cruelty, and seek to promote their own power.
Once adminstrations change in ‘09, the incoming President owes Bush no courtesy or deferrence, but in the public good must repudiate Bush’s entire term.
egregious @ 23
Bummer!
Phoenix Woman, your fire transforms us –
and your prose is radiant.
Egregious,
Best wishes to you. You inspire.
noen @ 20
I think that we need to really develop our own “think tank”, The ones that prevail right now are just lobbying groups and we have to face it. I don’t know how to beat them, ’cause they are part of the military complex– it is all about money.
But that is what we have to do.
All of it is about teh money.
Tumulty’s flawed history goes even further in this sorry paragraph:
“These are gloomy and uncertain days for conservatives, who–except for the eight year Clinton interregnum–have dominated political power and thought in this country since Reagan rode in from the West. Their tradition goes back even furthe tFounding Fathers who believed that people should should do things for themselves and who shook off a monarchy in their conviction that Big Government is more to be feared than encouraged. The Boston Tea Party, as Reagan used to point out, was an antitax initiative.”
How much more wrong could one be?
Note to Tumulty: Ayn Rand was NOT one of the Founding Fathers…people that were Liberals that YEARNED for representation, i.e. “government”. Tumulty must think that our Founding Fathers were anarchists.
Recalling one of Reagan’s false nostrums does not make her, or him, correct. The Boston Tea Party was an open rebellion against “favored tax policy” towards the American East Indian company, to the detriment of every other merchant in the colonies still required to pay a tax; much like the current “feed the rich” philosophy of modern Republicanism.
Tumulty has it SO backwards. BushII is EXACTLY what Reagan would have been without congressional oversight.
The “Right Went Wrong” because the Right IS Wrong on so many issues.
Elliott @ 18
Really? Do you see any improvment, ’cause I don’t. I see impeachment of the most criminal administration in US history is off the table. I see that the Dems are just fine with torture and “total information awareness”. I see nothing being done with regard to Katrina.
How exactly are the “GOP-lite” Dems changing anything at all? I’m not seeing it, but maybe I’m wrong… but I don’t think so.
OT
Kirk
Hope I’m not too newsy, but what kind of cats do you have? You mentioned brushing them the other day.
Prairie Sunshine @
4
I saw that! That was amazing.
noen @
14
Why noen, I’m glad you asked.
Please stay tuned.
Can anyone please remind me how to search the comments on fdl?
(thought I saw a camapaign strategy and non-violent direct action plan tossed about some threads ago…)
Elliott @ 37
I think he has some Maine Coon wannabees. The “equine cat brush” is for long-hairs.
noen @ 34
You make very good points, but I think we are better off now than we were in October. And yes, we have a LONG way to go
I realize most of us do not ever get our perfect candidate. Compromise is necessary. But there are four issues I will not compromise on. Iraq, Iran and the need for serious resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian “situation”. And the care of Mother Earth. Oh by the way, I understand Hillary is really on a roll.
AP – Two Democratic presidential candidates broke previous fundraising records during the first three months of the year, with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton setting a high bar of $26 million in new contributions for the quarter
Noen @ 36:
The very fact that the US Attorneys’ purge has come to light shows that there’s been a big change in DC. If the Republicans still had total control of Congress, the DOJ whistleblowers would never have bothered to step forward.
I could go and list the various Republican bogosities that are being rolled back (including the bypass-the-Senate provision snuck into the 2005 renewal of the Patriot Act), but you’re not in the mood to argue in good faith, just to — as you yourself put it — sit and bitch.
Rayne @ 26
I am active. I’ve lobbied my reps at the Minn. capitol for legislation I support. Affordable housing for low income folk like me.
Look… I’m just tired of seeing the latest crimes of this admin on every blog I read. I want things to change. And I say what I do in order to focus the discussion on solutions rather than just having a bitch fest. Not that there is anything wrong with that… and it’s usefull to do some bitchin’ as a first step.
Don’t take what I said a a slam on you. It’s just an expression of my frustration. Well, that and the growing horror of what this country might become or the direction we seem to be headed in. I’d like to read things that don’t make me feel like slitting my wrists every effing day is all.
Tumulty:
What horseshit!!
One of the core principles of Reagan was unabated selfishness: “me, me, me, mine, mine, mine and SCREW you.” In fact, the Repubs would prefer that the government not even TAKE their tax dollars; just let them keep them — thus the huge tax cuts.
One reason they want to shrink the government down to a size they can drown in the bathtub is that they don’t want their precious tax dollars going to anything not related to THEM.
This selfishness is so ingrained, and the focus so constantly on “blaming the victim” or pointing out how anyone who might need government “largess” is “wrong,” that it’s hardly even noticed.
This is why we need Al Gore’s and John Edwards’ “we’re all in this together” mantra: quit focusing on selfishness, and imagine instead what we could do if we all pulled together.
Phoenix Woman @ 38
Did they mention Tom Scully?
I sure hope so.
Scully was the head jerk that threatened Richard S. Foster, the actuary from HHS who only wanted to tell the truth about bushco’s Medicare plan!
kirk murphy @ 39
Do you remember what date and who authored the thread? I’d try searching by author first, if you can remember who it was.
Mauimom @ 44
Exactly.
They love defense contracts because they know that they can make money off them. Much harder to figure out ways to profit from something like Head Start.
I have been wondering for a long time if Reagan’s reputation will ever be tarnished in human time. He was senile from Day One. I don’t understand the Great Communicator label. I thought he spoke pablum in an artificial soothing voice. He was lucky enough to be on the stage when communism fell of its own weight.* Otherwise his foreign policy sucked. Nicaragua was a wet test for Iraq, and nobody was paying attention because Nicaragua is so insignificant. He was also lucky enough to be on stage as inflation subsided–owing nothing to him, but all to a reversal of monetary policy and dismantling of Nixon’s price controls, which caused an inflation bulge that was over by the time Reagan took office.
But because he’s the only hero the Rs have, I suspect his throne will be raised higher & higher until, 100 years from now, historians will start to write the revisionist history.
*What do Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and Osama bin Laden have in common?
Like Dubya, Reagan ran up a huge deficit. To prop up Reagan as a fiscal conservative is intellectually dishonest. Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush’s served at the behest of the the top one percent of Americans. They worked to the detriment of the majority of us to benefit the Military Industrial Complex and other Corporations.
Angie @ 45:
I don’t know — spouse was channel-surfing and we only caught it about halfway through. They did mention how the House votes were illegally held open for three hours while Tauzin and his lobbyist buddies hammered away. Even Dan Burton thought it was disgusting.
Phoenix Woman @ 46
I’ve had pretty good luck with Googling whatever I needed from comments. Granted, anything posted in the last 24-48 hours may not yet have indexed, but older material, even the Haloscan stuff, comes up pretty easily.
Try using exact word matches from the content you are looking for. Here’s an example that I’m sure to use in real life for some research I’m doing — just enter this in Google, see what comes up. I got what I needed:
firedoglake.com comments kirk murphy cobell
edit: oops, forgot that WordPress omits plus signs — I had one between the words for this search (except between Kirk and Murphy).
There are NO words in the Constitution as
“EXECUTIVE PRIVILIGE”.. But, Bush is sure wearing those two words out..
Phoenix Woman @ 51
There was a film clip of Foster testifying to the fact that his job was threatened but I didn’t catch what they said about who did it.
A handy new accountability dodge for the KoolAide set; when a bad policy eventually plays out, shed some tears and proclaim how incompetent the execution was and how we all need to buck up and continue with the same policy under more competent administration. This is the hallmark of the true believer.
An example: My true believer aunt advised me as a child that prayer always worked and, if it does not work, the cause was my execution and not the policy. In other words, I was advised to continue repeating the same behavior time after time, while patiently awaiting a new result. We know know this as one definition of insanity.
Phoenix Woman @ 43
Ok… Thanks.
I’m just saying… and sometimes I get really despirited about the direction this country is headed in. It really gets me down… so much so that I have to stop reading places like this for my own sanity’s sake. I’m sure that other people feel much the same way sometimes.
I don’t know… maybe I am too sensitive. I can barely watch TV any more or read the papers without getting this sick feeling in the pit of my stomache. Sometimes I get that when I read the blogs too. So I have to protect myself and not do those things.
Speaking of roll back of R atrocities, I asked above but didn’t see answer. Does anyone know if Ds intend to instate negotiation over drug prices?
eCAHNomics @ 16
This is why Kucinich is the best candidate. He’s the only one promoting a single-payer Canadian-styled health care plan. All the rest keep pimping for insurance companies.
hackworth @ 48
But you see, it’s OK so long as they didn’t spend a cent on poor people or black people or any sort of program whose primary beneficiaries aren’t already rich.
Exactly!
The Soviet-style anointment of Ronald Reagan as an immortal icon, not just among wingnuts, but in the mass media in general, is one of the most pathetic and Orwellian trends of recent American culture.
From high atop the pedestal of his imaginary statue in the Capitol Mall, The Gipper can do no wrong, so all of the disasters perpetrated on this country by his politcal heirs must simply be due to their straying from The True Way of Reaganism. What a bunch of crap.
Ronald Reagan was a very talented shill for essentially the same gang of criminals who have continued to mislead and plunder the United States under Bush I and II. The current Neo-Con version is simply more brazen, incompetent and starry-eyed koo koo than their predecessors.
Thank you, PW @ 50– when Big Hank has time, he ought ot go after this slug:
http://govexec.com/dailyfed/0404/040904nj1.htm
there is much more slime under his particular rock.
Is that the same Kucinich who was the worst mayor of Cleveland? He’s a useful fool to have on our side, but not a reliable person to put into power.
thank you dear mods for releasing me at 61.
I should have asterisked(?) the brand names!
Kucinich is no fool at all; I beg to differ.
I think Digby has explored the meme that conservative principles are never wrong. When disaster strikes, it is because the execution was poor or the principles were *gasp* abandoned.
It is why Reaganomics got resurrected in the Bush tax cuts. It is why in 5 or 10 years time some other conservative clown will bring it all up again, claiming that this time he/she will get it right. Republicans apply this humbug to any issue. It’s what gives conservatism its vampire like quality.
Speaking of useful fools, McCain is a good one to have on the other side. We need to revive the ‘credibility gap’ phraseology–applies to him & W too. Let’s see if we can get MSM to use it in daily presser.
Okay, off to work on the brochure…noen, sure hope the next time you are itchy to get doing something that YOU actually do something.
Call your Representative and Senator – tell them what you think they should be doing if they aren’t doing it.
Write a letter to the editor, make it clear that there is a lot of news not being covered and cite examples. And then see if they have an editorial board open to the public that you can join.
Start a blog and cover a topic of local interest; be the subject matter expert and make the case for better policy.
Join the local Democratic or other progressive organizations, find out how you can plug in to help remove local and state Republicans and replace them with Democrats (they need to raise money now, before the Presidential races suck up all the money).
Is there a peace vigil in your town? Join it, or start one.
Is there a progressive book club? Join it or start one, too. Try the books we’ve already read here at FireDogLake — or read new ones and come back and tell us about them.
Jeepers, the list is endless, all kinds of things that can be done to continue the changes we been making. Anybody who can’t find something to do just ain’t looking.
edit: and yeah, I felt sicker than a dog after 2004, after busting my ass for a candidate in the primary, having thrown behind MoveOn’s efforts after the primary, only to end up seeing a Democratic win vaporize under our noses. I joined the local party within the next month — and I’ve made all kinds of wonderful, healthy but equally angry and equally motivated and self-empowered individuals who are willing to work shoulder to shoulder to take our country back. It saved my health and saved my soul. Go for it; you will feel better.
kirk murphy @ 39
Thanks to the FDL’er who awhile back posted this method of searching a site…
“searchword(s) site:firedoglake.com”
Nonviolent direct action idea…here!
Phoenix Woman @ 47:
It’s not just the profit angle. They can’t even think in terms of investing in the future, unlike the business persons they claim to revere: for example, look at the long term benefits [even to themselves] re “investing” in Head Start, affordable housing, schools, health care, college loans. Each of these can contribute to adults who are able to become doctors, teachers, engineers — in other words both “taxpaying citizens” and “contributing members of society.”
Their nearsighted refusal to fund “for the good of society” means that more and more members of society need help. The Reagan Republicans’ answer to them is “don’t take MY money” and “screw you.”
lewisclark @ 59
Time Magazine is helping to grease the skids to roll out their next candidate – this time – a true conservative in the model of Ronald Reagan. Anyone who believes that the Media is liberal is delusional.
The reason there are differences in degree is that Nixon never had either house of Congress and Reagan never had the House at all and lost the Senate in the ’86 elections. Bush had both houses for over 4 years.
That’s the only reason for the difference in degree.
James @ 53
Oh, yeah. I remember similar “he’s not really a Republican” bilge said about Ronald Reagan during the depths of Iran-Contra. And of course after Nixon, the GOP couldn’t distance themselves from him fast enough; the Minnesota state branch of the Republican Party actually changed their name to the “Independent Republican” or IR party in 1975 and kept the new name until 1995.
dakine01 @
22
Sorry – he was not nearly the public figure as director of the CIA – though I did not know he was chairman of the RNC.
Actually – his impact of national politics goes back much farther – 1963 – what this:
http://video.google.com/videop…..amp;q=bush kennedy assassination&hl=en
lewisclark @ 59
What we are going through is a clash between two distinct cultures. That’s hardly a new observation of course but it’s good to remember that this isn’t about “good” (us) vs “bad (them).
What this culture clash is really about is adadaptive vs not-so-adaptive. I think.
Type Bush Walker Harriman into Google, and much will be explained.
Also, try Bush eugenics.
Rayne, isn’t noen a concern troll?
angie @ 59
This is why Pelosi and Reid instituted longer working hours for the House and Senate: The amount of muck they have to shovel out the Augean stables is immense.
Mauimom @ 68
Don’t get me started on this topic. I was a Wall Street economist for 30 years. What the Rs don’t know about economics would fill volumes. They wouldn’t recognize a legitimate market if they saw it. It’s ALL about reaping profits for themselves, their cornies & corporations. I have not yeat figured out a ’sound bite’ way of saying what’s wrong with their (laughingly-referred-to-as) economics, and it appears that they are still getting away with their sound bite pro-market phraseology. Watch this space.
karen allen @ 75
did you actually read all of noen’s comments?
egregious @ 23
((((((hugs))))))))))
eCAHNomics @ 61
i lived in cleveland when he was mayor. he did a brave thing (refused to sell the muni electric company) even though he knew it would be the end of his political career… don’t have any links at hand… .but please do check the history of this time before condemning him for it…. there was an interesting overlap of the board of directors of the bank holding city loans and the power company that wanted to buy the city’s electric company.
(i’m a little agravated at him for capitulating at the 2004 convention w/o fighting for any anti-war issues in the dem party platform – but i admire him for refusing to sell cleveland’s municiple electric company. he paid a heavey price… it took 10 years for it to be clear that he had done the right thing)
Valley Girl: Yes, I did.
Mauimom @
45
I’ve said it before and will say it again: Jimmy Carter tried to force us to live up to our professed ideals. Ray-guns made everyone feel it was alright to hate and be open with the prejudice.
karen allen @ 81
didn’t come across to me as a concern troll, as I read on. I got the frustration and the despair. Which I sometimes share.
eCAHNomics @ 76:
David Stockman would be a particularly good starting point!!!
Terry Olson @
6
When was that? I remember my freshman college English instructor back in the 1960s (sic.) assigning us to highlight every adjective in sample issues of Newsweek and Time to show how you could slant the news just by your choice of adjectives! Time’s choice of adjectives stunk then. So, inquiring minds want to know: When was Time a decent mag?
Bob in HI
Valley Girl: I think all of us experience frustration and dispair. I believe in doing things, not just commenting that people complain on blogs. That’s why I like Rayne’s comments about participatiing.
Sorry to buy gullibly into the Kucinich epitaph written by Rs. Even so, we need brave people like him to keep reminding us whatsup. We don’t need them a POTUS. That’s what I meant by useful fool–probably an offensive term, but conveys the message.
Rayne @ 65
Hun, I did post something about what I’ve done. Did it get eaten by wordpress?
Start a blog and cover a topic of local interest;
Um, yeah, right.. Like that’s gonna happen. I’m posting from a public PC hun. I can barely afford my phone and I do have this nasty habit of eating. So guess again about who I am and what I can afford.
Look.. I’m just saying that it gets really hard to read the latest doings of our crime family at the White House, kay? So… more positive stuff and “What you can do to stop the onward march off the cliff.” please. Allright?
noen: As Nancy Pelosi says, “There’s a new Congress in town.” If we keep working, we will have many many more progressives elected in 2008.
Talkin’ about the bush family “legacy”, dakine01 @ 22?
Creepiness Factors Surrounding the Bush Clan
or
Tricky Dick Was Bush-League Compared to Chimpy
I am sure it will offend some, just one interpretation of history. Let’s just look at the “creepiness factors” here.
The Bush family fortune did not come from oil — it came from financing the Nazis in WW I. There was an investigation (official record) and I believe some assets were frozen and even seized.
In fact, some say the Prescotts and other powerful elites were actually behind Hitler’s rise to power in Germany. Think about this – it is a fact that the propaganda techniques had their roots in America. Was Hitler an evil genius or a stupid puppet — anyone else see some scary possibilities here.
[Mod Note; Comment edited for length.]
Is it possible that the Bush family has connections to some of the most disturbing events in the past 100 years?
I humbly present this for discussion only, not as fact – “Gemstone” files style, seeking to promote dialog. Much of this would never be verifiable if true – run these topics through your favorite “search engine,” see what you find, decide for your self, and share your ideas.
[Mod Note; To help keep the FDL servers running smoothly and to avoid and possible copyright issues, please post only an excerpt and provide a link to the original text. Thank you.]
Mauimom @ 84
I once used the phrase “Reagan deficits” on the phone with a client. He took umbrage. Spent 45 mintues, looking up all the stats (pre-intertoobz story), including nondefense spending growth rates compared to D admins, etc. Client was not to be mollified. So I told him if he thought he wasn’t getting good economics forecasts and analsyis from my firm, he should feel free to call his sales rep & complain. Never heard another word.
karen allen @ 88
I hope we can get Chimpeachment back on the table.
eCAHNomics @ 87 –
thanks for the thoughtful response. not suggesting kucinich should be your choice for POTUS…. just that he sometimes/frequently has good things to say… and i got fooled once by the banker’s lies… so i’m interested in thinking twice before letting that happen again.
noen @
88
Blogger.com – FREE. There are other FREE blog sites, too. You got time to write an email from a public PC? you got time to post to a blog.
And FireDogLake does cover pro-active stuff all the time, you can see the Roots Project reformulating in Pachacutec’s earlier post as just one example. The problem isn’t this site, it’s that there is so much wrong, and so many media folks in particular that need systematic regular spankings. Until everybody does a little to turn this around, it’s going to be like this.
Ugh. I shouldn’t come back here, should have concentrated on the brochure. (Created with FREE software, I might add, on a system with FREE antivirus and FREE firewall protection. Real change can happen on a budget.)
eCAHNomics @
17
This happened recently to me too. I think that if your curser has gone over the comment you are quoting, and the comment has turned blue, then it will be underlined.
I remember a segment from a high school english class that took a foray into looking at the writing in the major news magazines, in this case Time and Newsweek. I don’t remember much of the Newsweek stuff, but the lede of one of the Time stories stuck with me all these years:
” If his name was Edward Moore instead of Edward Moore Kennedy…..”
Time was always the Republican rag. Only now its been joined by Newsweek, the Washington Post and most of the other majors.
BTW folks. I’m not a concern troll. I’m an infrequent poster here. I do understand that there are people who play games like that, I don’t. If you really want to know more about me just ask. But I may not be able to answer because my time on this PC is limited.
I am genuinely worried about where this country is headed, like everyone else is. I just get really tired of reading about the latest crimminal goings on of the GOP. It makes me feel like things are hopeless, that’s all. So I say that and give expression to that.
By giving voice to my concerns I am trying to do two things. One is that you just feel better after ya know? The other is that I am trying to move the discussion towards being more about solutions than problems.
BTW, my nickname is noen, here and on most other lefty blogs. That’s me, and I haven’t seen my nik spoofed. I make mistakes too and sometimes I say stupid things. Please forgive me if I do, just call my attention to it and I’ll prolly take it back.
So… can we go on towards saving the world for thruth, justice and the American way?
;)
Doesn’t the Carlyle Group have a history of mover and shaker workers from both political parties?
eCAHNomics @ 75
I’ll be holding you to that, eCAHN! I think that would be an excellent post.
mod stepping in …
Noen … some of us sure share your frustration and I really appreciate the way you’ve tried to express it.
Gang … please watch the “concern troll” labels and such – it’s not real hospitable.
And please, if your comment gets caught in the spam filter, please please please do not simply repost it – we’ve got a full team back here and will take care of it asap.
Okay, I have to step up to the plate for noen. Sometimes people are just feeling especially frustrated and despairing. I think we need a comment from Norske- “keep the faith and pass the ammunition”.
VG – thanks and Noen – please know that you and your comments are welcome here.
eCAHNomics @ 49
Each has a following who credit him for the collapse of the Soviet Union?
Rayne, you are a great teacher.
There are many Americans who are distraught, angry and perhaps they are not used to or they are just despairing about these feelings.
Teach and guide– you do it beautifully.
Hi noen.
Good to “meet” you, noen, and I hope you’ll come back often.
I certainly understand, and very frequently share, the feeling of hopelessness you describe. We’ve all got to hang in there together.
noen @ 97
amen to that… we’re all trying to figure out how we can help do that… and each of us don’t have to come up with the same answer…
noen – what state are you in? In MA, a bunch of us got together to lobby our senators, get out the vote, etc and its made a big difference to have like minded friends. Use this site to link up with people in your state.
Don’t get me started on this topic. I was a Wall Street economist for 30 years. What the Rs don’t know about economics would fill volumes.
This big fat R I know bought a Cadillac dealership at a fire-sale price. He was tickled with himself for snatching up a tremedous bargain. Among other problems, the previous owner had developed a poor reputation and ran off all the customers, ergo the fire sale.
My friend stocked his lot with a huge inventory of loaded Escalades and everything under the sun. They’ve been sitting there unsold for many months. He can’t figure out why nobody is buying them.
Republican trickle-down economics (that he espouses) has sucked all the money out of the economy. All the money has gone to the top. Nobody who is willing to spend any money has any money to spend.
eCAHNomics @
16
Moral hazard is when the insured behavior changes in response to having the policy. If you insure your car, you’re more likely to drive carelessly.
Adverse selection is when only people at risk buy insurance. If you’re a healthy young person, you don’t buy medical insurance.
These are two classic economist bits of insurance analysis.
Rayne @ 92
Indeed. One of my spouse’s rellies was a big wheeler-dealer on eBay and didn’t even own a computer — he did it all from the computer at the local public library. (It wasn’t that he couldn’t afford it — when he died his estate was substantial enough that his sister was able to ditch her little shotgun shack for an upscale senior community — but he knew he had tendencies to being anti-social and this forced him to interact with people.)
Thanks alot. I just read the entire last post and came here just now, to find that there has been 110 comments already. Way to keep up.
Rayne @ 95
One of my favorite participation sports is to bombard Brian Lehrer with emails. Anyone who doesn’t know him MUST become acquainted. He broadcasts & webcasts on WNYC (wnyc.org) 5 weekdays from 10-12et. Monday morning 1st segment is Monday morning quaterbacking on national politics. Brian is the BEST (as is Leonard Lopate who follows him from 12-2; more cultural stuff but priceless occassional segments on little covered world events.) Both have great guests & ask much better questions than you will hear on C-SPAN. Minimum segment length is 20 minutes, so it is in-depth. Around elections, Brian does 30 issues in 30 days. Rarely talks horse race–almost always focuses on policy.
Today I sent him two segment ideas, both on DLC selling out D party. I know he pays attention, because he frequently reads my emails on air.
He had a MSM media hack on about Purgegate & I sent him a disapproving email that he should bet a real expert like Josh Marshall. Also told him FDL “owns” Plamegate story. So if you get a call, say yes.
He’s local NYC, where votes don’t count because any sentient person is a D. (I’m not sure if my USHouse rep is alive or not, it’s such a safe district.) But if we could get a more prominent national reputation for him, it would certainly help the cause.
Homework assignment: listen to him tomorrow morning & then tell me that I undersold him.
Rayne @ 93
I actually know a thing or two about graphics. Not so much about scribus or whatever you’re using though. I’m trying to teach myself a few things so I can get the hell out of this place.
And FireDogLake does cover pro-active stuff all the time
Ok, I missed that. I just can’t read everything is all. I can only get here and the other blogs I read once in a while.
Blogger.com – FREE. There are other FREE blog sites, too.
Yeah well… I’ve seen what happens to certain people… Billmon leaps to mind, and I don’t want to go through something like that. And trust me, I’d be vulnerable to the kind of personal attacks the right likes to specialze in. So.. no thanks.
Phoenix Woman @ 100
You have my email, I presume. What would you like, besides what I have posted in the comments?
am just catching up on posts-have an urge to comment
seems like people are gettin’ b%tchy for no apparent reason and i personnally don’t like it when things take this turn. it demeans this place and makes me want to leave.
we each have things to offer at different times, different places.
there are times that we are disheartened. each of us, it happens, it is a fact, remember that when it comes upon you next time.
everyone in their own ’season’……….be supportive of those that are in winter when we are in summer……….shine your light
we are all here to learn, and there are those that are here to teach, it’s an exchange, each has something to add to the dialogue
BushPater may not have been as visible as more modern CIA leaders, but he wasn’t invisible, either, especially in comparison to his predecessors. He was the first “outsider” as DCI, and a former congressman. Shunning publicity wasn’t even on his radar, and he had his share of it.
Anyone old enough to have lived through the 80s and still buys the Reagan mythos was too coked up or too busy feeding at the trough to notice what was really happening back then. Reagan was a liar and a sociopath, as much as the current Bush incarnation. The press fawned over him just like they did GDub. We called him Teflon, because nothing would stick to the man–because the press just loved the guy so much that they wouldn’t let it stick. Until Iran Contra. Marines killed in Beirut? Shrug. US supported death squads in El Salvador? Who cares? S&L’s committing shady investments with customer money? No biggie. Supplying arms to some desert dictator with more oil than scruples (Saddam). Eh, geopolitics as usual. So what if the guy thinks trees cause pollution (seriously–Raygun said it).
This was really how Reagan’s government operated, and the press just followed his pied piper wherever he led. If Ronnie didn’t think it was a big deal, they didn’t either. Oh, look, Nancy’s wearing a new Adolfo!
It was enough to make anybody puke.
ARE YOU KIDDING? All these arguments are wrong! Republicans have never had any principles of any kind. The last good republican was Wendel Wilke and the last time we heard about him was in the 1940’s.
All republicans who ever vote or voice any opinion on any subject should be sent to patrol the streets of Baghdad – without a gun (so they don’t shoot up the remaining innocent citizens.)
If you think I hate these bastards you are right.
hackworth @ 106
He shoulda gone into hybrids. Those things practically sell themselves.
noen @ 113
If it’s about the comments issue, Blogger has a feature that lets you turn them off. Why do you think so many of the blogs on the other side don’t allow comments? They couldn’t hack it even one day.
Been saying it for years, Bush makes Nixon look honest and Reagan look smart.
He is their child.
noen @ 113
Great, we could use more help with graphics whenever you’re at a place and time when you can help. I’m in agony over graphics on this bloody brochure right now. Argh!! Would be so much easier to turn this over to a more gifted graphics volunteer…
Bloggers go through phases. I’m in one now myself. Billmon is, too; he’s hit that wall that comes up at about the 3 to 4 year mark when one blogs alone. I wouldn’t use him as an example. And I’d read the article in Salon by Joan Walsh about misogyny in the internet. I don’t like how she said it, but she says “man up”. I personally think we have to outwit the morons, and considering the opposition, it really shouldn’t be that hard. There’s more of us than there are of them.
Back to the brochure from hell…
Kathryn in MA @ 106
I’m from Minnesota. I live practically downtown Minneapolis. Last thing I did was to lobby for affordable housing for low income folk at the capitol. It was really hard because I ended up talking about my experience being homeless and how we really need access to affordable housing. I did get to meet John Marty’s wife and through her rep Marty himself. That was neet. It was really hard talking to Linda Berglin though, not because of her but… well, it was just hard.
Why am I not surprised (WANS)?
eCAHNomics @ 112 –
re: Brian Lehrer
you forgot one thing for those of us not in NYC… his show has a podcast – and an rss feed!
this way, i just listen to the shows that interest me.
Oklahoma kiddo @
98
Short answer is Yes. Long answer iirc, Frank Carlucci is one of the founders former DoD. Also James Schlesinger. And I know that there are large numbers of others not coming to mind at the moment. I’m sure google has an entry with most identified in their “glory.”
noen @ 122
Then you really need to exchange more words with the hostess of this particular post, Phoenix Woman. Just might be in the neighborhood.
hackworth @ 91
Pelosi for President 2007
noen @ 122
I’m one of the retirees on this site. I thought I had a super-duper frustration tolerance. But it turns out that once I didn’t have to take it anymore, my frustration tolerance evaporated. Have largely retreated from issues that used to consume me unless I could so it in my PJs from my home computer.
I may get EPU’ed, but it’s worth dropping by to hear what Digby has to say today.
That’s one HOT place to be: Comstock, Griffin, USAs, all lined up and ready to be seen for what they are.
She’s got the Atlantic article and the BBC show all ready to read. Go!! Enjoy!!
Rayne @ 120
Photoshop is my friend.
I am teaching myself a number of skills related to video production, 3D, image modelling, matchmove, rotoscoping… But I’m still learning these. I’m a member of this place:
http://www.pixelcorps.com
and through them I have access to apps (and teachers) that I wouldn’t normally have. That is the direction I’m trying to go. For what it’s worth.
OKKiddo:
Here’s a wiki link on Carlyle Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
This is a test. I am wondering if the time frame has been screwed up. (Thanks BushCo.) posted at 7 pm PDT. Hmmm… am I really confused? Or are things an hour off? 10 pm EDT.
One of the best things about the president is that when he squints his eyes you know he’s working closely with the Pentagon to protect us from Osama.
noen @ 73
When the [Yoo] Republicans try to remake govenment in their own image, that is not an adaptation. That is an invasion by a viral pathogen. The adaptation that is needed is the ongoing immune response a.k.a oversight. Accountability is the antidote. The Administration is loathe to make the adaptation to transparency and is losing its hermetic seal vis AbuG.
Rayne @ 121
are you looking for help?… i used to manage pretty well with illustrator (not claiming to be an expert, mind you).
neon-there is a group that gets together in minn
contact john swifty-his show called mental engineering on pbs should get you a link.
they are always encouraging others to meet with them, there is a bunch of them and they sound insightful and interesting and welcoming to others, and it has been mentioned on other posts where they meet and when, would be a great bunch to meet up with from what i’ve gathered from their comments. i suggest going to mental engineering to hook up sooner
Valley Girl @
132
VG, it is only 9:06 EDt as I type (I’m in Central time where it is 8:06PM)
eCAHNomics @ 110
And good for you! Sharing examples like that is why we’re here. Just like with the distributed reporting the TPM readers are doing.
VG- on timing: computers and autoclocks, etc think today was daylight savings .. it is now 9PM Eastern, 8 Central and 6 Pacific.
my weird clock that resets automagically confused me this am
btw, we’re talking McCain and shopping upstairs
Posted above, but nobody bit:
What do Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and Osama bin Laden have in common?
Valley Girl @ 130
It should be 6 pm PDT, 9 pm EDT. Lot of people got screwed up by manually changing system clocks to accommodate the earlier onset of daylight savings time this year, then their OSs changed the time again at the normal shift to daylight time.
dakine01 @ 137
Oh! Thanks! I thought I was going nutty. So, apparently, because I did not update my computer with the proper tiddy bit, and just reset the clock manually back when we had “new” DST, I have been treated to automatic DST on my uninformed computer! I am so glad that you responded!
Siun @ 139
This goes back to when they changed the DST and moved it 3 weeks ealier than where it had been. If someone manually set their machine, then the automagic programs moved you another hour forward today. Thank you Apple (they sent an update patch down the toobz about 2 weeks or so prior to the move to DST. I love my Mac. :})
eCAHNomics @ 138
They all claimed to have caused the downfall of the Soviet Union.
No one is happier than I am Reagan suffered long and hard after leaving office. That son of a bitch destroyed America.
Karma was a nasty bitch to that guy but he did it to himself. One can only wish the same fate on the entire Bush clan and all their cronies.
Some people DO deserve it.
McCain strolls in Baghdad…
McCain’s “stroll” today through a Baghdad market was guarded by 100 American soldiers, three Blackhawk helicopters, and two Apache gunships.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
2nd thoughts about homework assignment. Brian Lehrer is Jewish so might be otherwise engaged tomorrow. Substitutes are mediocre. So perhaps a week from tomorrow is the time to listen.
Thanks too, Siun and montag! I would have been in big trouble, come lecture time, if you all had not set me straight! Close call!
Reagan, Pope John Paul and Osama bin Laden all head(ed) large organizations based on money and power.
They are/were all men.
They’re all right-handed.
They all wore/wear funny clothes.
They could all claim some part in doing away with the Soviet Union.
They probably all thought (or would have thought) Dubya was the Anti-Christ. At least the Pope thought that.
Gee, maybe Dubya IS a Uniter. He makes everyone hate him.
Of course, one thing we don’t know is whether they are ALL dead. There isn’t much current evidence about bin Laden.
Cozumel @ 143
Bulletproof vests being the haute couture these days for rug-buying in Baghdad….
montag @ 144
Bingo. You’re the first to get it.
Coz – bring that link upstairs … it’s what we have in the new post!
Siun @
151
Done! ; )
I was so sad that Ray Charles died at the same time as Ronald Reagan. Charles is a national treasure, and he didn’t get nearly the respect he should have.
Valley Girl @
148
VG, you will have a similar problem in the fall when it changes back.
dakine01 @ 137
My VCR was off an hour today, no doubt a relic from the change in daylight savings
dakine01 @ 154
Ahh… thanks for pointing that out!
Thank you neokneme, Phoenix Woman, and Rayne for helping me with search techniques. (and Rayne – your search terms made me blush).
Elliot, five felines agree to allow me to share their home. Our perspicacious Valley Girl accurately recalls that two are “aspiring” :) Maine Coone (dad was a Mainer), one is their domestic shorthair mom, another is their sister with a thick shorthair coat, and the fifth is a domestic shorthair stray kitten adopted as the three cats were growiing up.
Have I mentione my life is dependent upon loratadine?
Oh – noen.
Noen, I spent most of the last hour searching for the latest action/strategy plan I’ve written in comments on the Lake with the thought it ma helpful for you.
The plans draw on over a decade of work with very accomplished activists who force change upon companies, industries, and transnational regualtory bodies – and lots of governments.
I’m glad the effort pushed me to learn how to search comments here. Still can’t find the info I’ve spent an hour looking for on your behalf.
Having read your comment at 88, I almost didn’t bother further. I was simply going to close:
Thanks for helping me better learn to search the resource created by those who participate in this community in good faith.
Having read this
Well, I still can’t find the comment – but it’s there over the last several days.
The campaign targets the professional classes (law, medicine, etc) required for health/insurance/pharma/chemical “industries”, as well as corporate officers, board members, major customers.
The strategy directly confronts the core of corporate power: freedom from consequences.
Publicly held megacorps effectively allow directors et al to kill for profit with no personal risk.
Successful camapiagns against megacorps restore (non-violent) personal risk and discommfort to those with the power to alter megacorp behavior.
For campaigns against “insurance”/”drug benefit” megacorps, a steady stream of polite visitors at dinnertime on corporate officers’ home doorsteps focuses industry attention instantly.
The threat – they can affect all of us, our families, and our lives in anonymity and the presumed safety of abstraction. A patient at the door, prescription in hand, asking for enough money to pay for this month’s RX breaks that wall.
Web based interfaces match up:
a) homes for site visit ( property tax records)
b) patients.
Don’t like knocking on the door? How about a mobile of denied insurance claims – or several mobiles, decorating the stately front lawns of the megacorps’ major beneficiaries.
How about decorating broad quiet residental streets in front of the chemical industry poo-bahs’ homes – and in front of their high-priced attorneys’ homes – with chalk outlines..and the name and birthdate/deathdate of the rememered cancer victim?
Right before the neighborhood schoolkids are driven home from private school.
And ask their parents – or the family driver – about all those empty medication bottles lined up on the curb outide their home.
Why take it to the homes?
‘Cause it works. US megacorps finally caved and agreed to join global sanctions against South Africa whe the corporate directors couldn’t stand getting skewered by their families for their complicity in previously abstract suffering.
Of course, campaigns settin’ out to do this need to work carefully with legal counsel so that all actions are in accordance with applicable laws. The goal is to form a human connection with the humans in the megacorp household, so non-violence and respect and courtesy are essential.
After a few weeks or months, the targeted sector starts to answer the phone calls they used to ignore….
Most effective when a single egregious (sorry) megacorp is identified….
Why am I posting this?
As a example of the power of one single strategy.
Lots of other folks will come up with better ones or tweak this one. Great!
Corporate change campaigns work, and we are not helpless.
Those with time and energy can pick up these strategies and use them to alter behavior of companies, industries, governments, and trans-national megacorp “enforcers” (IMF, WB, WTO).
And most of the people I know who have succeded have done so on a shoestring in their non-existent spare time – along with thousands of their equally busy friends.
The megacorps spend billions on advertising to delude us and billions on corporate media because they fear us and our minds.
Let’s give them even more reasons to waste their money – through strategically focused non-violent campaigns that tear apart the fiction of corporate insulation.
Until last year, the Bushies thought they were insulated.
We’ll live to see the megacorps insulation burn away – far sooner than they expect.
Hope you’ll play with us on the way.
Terry Olson @
154
Did he really? Some of us pretty much mainly noticed Ray, nome sayn?;=)
(Of course, it occurs to me that Gerald Ford went on pretty much at the same time as James Brown, too, didn’t he. And once again …)
eCAHNomics @ 112
And you now have mine: womanphoenix AT yahoo DOT com (just insert an “@” for “AT” and “.” for “DOT”; I type it this way to foil the spambots).
Whatever you’ve got. Type up something and I’ll run it past the gang to see what they think.
Charles, my co-blogger over at Mercury Rising, likes to talk about how Republicans are more into thievery than they are into responsible business practices largely because many of them never had to learn how to do things right and/or are incapable of learning how to do things right. This is usually because they were born into rich families or were otherwise sheltered in such a way (say, by being snapped up at an early age by a conservative “think tank”) that they never had to feel any negative consequences from their actions.
Come to think of it, that describes their attitude towards journalism, too, and why they ignore its rules the way they ignore the rules of good business practice. David Brock described how, in his first bit of work after renouncing the cushy guaranteed-paycheck world of the right-wing propagandist, he nearly had a panic attack when he was asked to fact-check his piece. Seems that he’d never once had to do that in all his years of writing for the conservative movement.
Heh! Got EPU’d. Hope you’re still here, eCAHN!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
PW – Thank you, and all the other writers for FDL!
This post is most, most important. I love to read the biases in most posts here. It does wonders for my heart and spirits.
BUT, this type article, measuring the pulse of the “conservative base” for the last, say, 25 years, is most prescient and almost more important than “singing to the choir.”
The poor souls who have been sucked in by this megalomaniac and his extremist agenda need something to latch on to and know they are not alone in their shock and dissapointment. This is extremely important.
Thank you for all you do, FDL writers!
kirk- is this the comment?
here on Abramoff thread?
Aloha Y’all, had a bit of a scare this morn! Tsunami Alert, downgraded a hour ago to ‘Unusual Tidal Levels’ to be anticipated on south facing shores, to last several hours!!! Phoenix you Rock!!! Another Home Run! Poor ole Luce must be spinning in his grave! NOTOne article on GonzoGate!!!
RickG @
96
Time is the brainchild of Henry Luce (along with Life Magazine), not quite a right winger but definitely a conservative Republican. His wife was Clare Booth Luce, onetime congresswoman and playwright, an ice queen if there ever was one.
As for People Magazine, I think Luce would be horrified were he alive today. Such a useless rag.
But compared to someone like Murdoch, Luce was enlightenment (no pun intended) itself.
Since the death of Luce, Time has drifted somewhat to the left, but is still not what one would call a liberal rag. It is just not a right leaning as it used to be.
noen, you wrote: “What we are going through is a clash between two distinct cultures. That’s hardly a new observation of course but it’s good to remember that this isn’t about “good” (us) vs “bad (them).
What this culture clash is really about is adadaptive vs not-so-adaptive. I think.”
I’m intrigued about the “adaptive/non-adaptive” observation, and would be interested to know more about what you mean by that phrase.
However, while “good vs bad” is obviously simplistic, (which is why I never used those terms) I insist that the neo-con’s ideology makes them, essentially, a gang of outlaws.
As the last six years have so clearly and sadly illustrated, the neo-con inheritors of Reaganism have little or no interest in protecting the Consitution and the citizens of the United States, but rather, their goal is to further the agenda of the multi-national corporations whom they actually represent and serve. Halliburton’s recent move to Dubai is a glaringly cynical example of the utter disregard these corporations have for the United States, it’s laws, and it’s people.
Now, as for rank and file Republican voters, obviously most of them are ordinary folks who think of themselves as patriotic. Based on a rather limited perspective on the outside world, they’re just trying to get along in their day-to-day life, and believe they are voting in the overall best interests of the United States.
On the other hand, many of these same people seem to have a natural psychological pre-disposition towards authoritarianism. I’m sure there’s some evolutionary usefulness in primate behavior that tends to make the group feel a need to follow the Big Monkey in a crises, but that kind of mind-set can be very dangerous to a modern, western style democracy.
Valley Girl @ 163
Thank you Valley Girl!
I’ve been searching for a different comment for noen, but I’ve also been looking for this url.
(And I think I’ve been commenting too often. Too much to seach through and too little worth a re-read.)
Anyway, since Phoenix Woman was taking her well-aimed ax swings to the economics woodpile, sts, I thought this would be a good place to mention some discussion about economic policy and the coming election that’s taking place over at Mark Thoma’s Economist’s View blog.
Yesterday, Thoma surveyed an article by Robert Kuttner on the role of Wall Streeters such as Robert Rubin in the advisory levels of Democratic party candidates, and asked the question, Should Democrats Dump Wall Street? Thoma on the importance of the question:
Today Thoma follows up with Developments on the Minimum Wage and Health Insurance Fronts, a roundup of weekend articles on the state of the social safety net both here and in Europe. Thoma reminds us:
There’s more on who’s holding it up at the site.
I was just pondering the notion it was Mother Nature’s grand April Fools Day prank, however, part of the Solomons Did experience a Tsunami!!! Talofa!!! God Bless!!!
Jamison Foser of Media Matters took Time to task last Friday as well:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703310002
The title is “It’s been such a long, long Time since it’s been good”. It’s been a while, that’s for sure.
kirk murphy @ 167
Not commenting too often. No.
I used google advanced search to find that comment. entered “kirk murphy” as one of the terms. If you can remember any exact words from the comment you are still looking for, for noen, try advanced search, with only “firedoglake.com” as the domain.
greenwarrior @ 162 asks: “What is Concern Troll.”
Trolls are generally those of the reich wing persuasion who come to FDL and other left leaning blogs and try to throw things off topic or throw some virtual bombs.
Concern Trolls try to act as if they actually care about the issues bothering folks but are actually raising straw person type arguments and reciting reich wing talking points.
In looking back through the thread, the Dem’s Hundred Hours addressed many of the comments. In that; eCahnomics @5(re negotiation with big Pharma), Prostatedragon on Minimum wage, et alia… All were intiated by the House Dems and Nancy upon receipt of the Gavel!!!!
dakine01 @ 173
thanksssss dakine01
This is what Thom Hartmann has been saying recently on his radio program. That George W. Bush is doing exactly what Reagan would have done if he had had a Republican controlled Congress for six years.
managed to read the first page of tumulty’s piece but choked on the ‘raygun won da cold war’ meme. couldn’t take no more. what a pantload.
imo, the r’s (stands for torture) know that during the upcoming depression, moneyless taxpayers will be unable to fund eternal war for the pleasure and profit of a few rich crime families.
yeah, the torture party is flailing in anticipation of failing. good!
and those 12 d’s who embrace and advocate for torture….bad, bad, bad d’s.
remember 10-17-06 and the mca! the day america died!
it’s time for, all together now, and follow the bouncing ball…mouth to mouth resuscitation, good for the world, good for the nation…
tell the children!!!
peas!
One day a florist goes to a barber for a haircut. After the cut he asked
about his bill and the barber replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot accept money
from you; I’m doing community service this week.” The florist is pleased and
leaves the shop.
Next morning when the barber goes to open his shop. There is a thank-you card
and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.
Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill the
barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot accept money from you; I’m doing
community service this week.” The cop is happy and leaves the shop.
Next morning when the barber goes to open up there is a thank-you card and a
dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.
Later a Democrat comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill
the barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot accept money from you; I’m
doing community service this week.” The Democrat is very happy and leaves
the shop.
Next morning when the barber goes to open, there is a
thank-you card and a dozen different books such as “How to Improve Your
Business” and “Becoming More Successful.”
Then a Republican comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill the
barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot accept money from you; I’m doing
community service this week.” The Republican is very happy and leaves the shop
The next morning when the barber goes to open up, there are a dozen
Republicans lined up waiting for a free haircut.
And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between left and right.
i see rayne on the horizon.
good for the garden, yah!
peas!
charlie @72, mahalo for the
bingo!!!
moment.
may your garden be filled with
peas!
“It should be 6 pm PDT, 9 pm EDT. Lot of people got screwed up by manually changing system clocks to accommodate the earlier onset of daylight savings time this year, then their OS changed the time again at the normal shift to daylight time.”
Save youself all that time shifting trouble: move to Hawaii (where I am) and have no Daylight Saving Time and warm weather and a nice Democratic state.
It’s good here!
noen @73, with respect, is your question ‘to adapt, or to not adapt’?
please elaborate.
peas!
noen @97, how would you advise your children, or future children deal with the now and future criminality of americas’ political system?
myself, i ‘just say grow!’
for sure, a garden settles the soul, and the fruits thereof settle the tummy.
catch ya at the hoe-down!
peas!
Sangemon @
176
EXACTLY. (By the way, the 1994 GOP Congress took office with the “we must break forty years of unbroken Dem control” spiel, ignoring that 1) unlike the GOP’s legendary party discipline, many conservative Dems voted with the GOP when it counted, and 2) the Republicans actually controlled the Senate from 1980 to 1986. If Iran-Contra had broken in January 1987 instead of November 1986, the Democrats could have really gone to town on it.)
I was 10 when Reagan first took office, and even *I* know that Reagan ran up huge debts while he was in office (after all, Star Wars was born on his ‘watch’!)!