
This morning, Sen. Orrin "Never Met A Bushie I Couldn't Defend" Hatch got his panties in a twist on Meet the Press:
HATCH: "This has been badly handled by people…not by Judge Gonzales, but by others….These are top flight people, doing a terrific job…."
HATCH: "I have never seen him prevaricate. I have never seen him do anything that was wrong." (Vouching for AG Gonzales' credibility.)
HATCH: Boy, I'll tell you, there ought to at least be some evidence that something was really wrong here and uh, and uh, to imply that there was criminal activity…And in the Monica Goodling case. Let's be honest about it. Her attorney…it was one of the most gutsy letter…letters I have ever seen. He's says that the atmosphere is so poisoned on the Judiciary Committee, with no real justification, that he's not going to put her through it because, uh, you never know how they would miscontrue what she has to say.
RUSSERT: Sen. Hatch, let me ask you a simple question, however, if in fact the Preseident decides that Mr. Gonzales should step down…
HATCH (interrupting): Well, now, that's the President's decision. (Read in an unctuous tone.)
RUSSERT: And the President came to you and asked you to be the next AG, would you do it?
Sen. Hatch demurs and says he'd be awfully hard to confirm, all the while scowling about what meanies the Democrats are for asking questions. And then says that Gonzales is incapable of lying. (And says it with a straight face.)
Kudos to Sen. Pat Leahy for maintaining a straight face throughout this whole appearance. I think I would have found myself falling out of my chair laughing at Hatch's blustering, knickers in a twist performance. Leahy did manage to tweak Hatch for "actively campaigning" for the AG position this week (am still not certain if he was kidding, or if he was really tweaking him for it — but either way, it was hilarious.)
From the WaPo this morning:
No other administration in contemporary times has had such a clear pattern of filling chief prosecutors' jobs with its own staff members, said experts on U.S. attorney's offices. Those experts said the emphasis in appointments traditionally has been on local roots and deference to home-state senators, whose support has been crucial to win confirmation of the nominees.
The pattern from Bush's second term suggests that the dismissals were half of a two-pronged approach: While getting rid of prosecutors who did not adhere closely to administration priorities, such as rigorous pursuit of immigration violations and GOP allegations of voter fraud, White House and Justice officials have seeded federal prosecutors' offices with people on whom they can depend to carry out the administration's agenda.
Seems to me that this question is not going away any time soon. Nor should it. Politicizing the rule of law and standards of justice for your own political ends over every other consideration? Now THAT pisses me off. (And you know that the Bush Administration is doing a crap job of damage control when even Weekly Standard stalwarts are calling them incompetent. Heckuva job, Bushie!)
Today's runner-up April Fool: Sen. Mitch "Double Standard" McConnell.
Alternate runners-up: Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham. St. McCain, who continues his "downtown Baghdad is a shopping extravaganza" tour today:
"The American people are not getting the full picture of what's happening here. They're not getting the full picture of the drop in murders, the establishment of security outposts throughout the city, the situation in Anbar province, the deployment of additional Iraqi brigades which are performing well, and other signs of progress having been made," said McCain, of Arizona.
He said the Republican congressional delegation he led to Iraq drove from Baghdad's airport to the center of the city, citing that as proof that security was improving in the capital. Prominent visitors normally make the trip by helicopter.
The delegation was accompanied by heavily armed U.S. troops when they were not in the Green Zone, site of the U.S. Embassy and Iraqi government. They traveled in armored military vehicles under heavy guard….
The delegation, which also included Rep. Mike Pence, a Republican from Indiana, and Rep. Rick Renzi, an Arizona Republican, spoke glowingly of an hour they spent in the Bab al-Sharqi market which was hit by a suicide bomber on Jan. 22. At least 88 people died in the attack. (emphasis mine)
Sen. Graham then went on to say during the presser from Baghdad today that he got "five rugs for five bucks." Yes, Senator, it's all about the bargain hunting, and I'm certain that the troops in your heavily armored vehicles were so happy to help you save a buck or two as they risked their lives for your hour-long photo-op, before you scurried back to the Green Zone in your heavily armored vehicles with armed escorts.
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Somebody say twist?
Morning, Twisted. :)
Mornin’ Firepups!
I have to say that I did myself a big favor by letting the lil’ one watch Harold the Purple Crayon this morning.
My blood pressure is reasonable…got a smile on my face…
I think I’ll go for a bike ride today.
Good morning Christy, sounds like you are getting the rain we go last night. Hope you won’t be mad if the Wolverines hire your BBall coach!
Wingnut Political Operative in the DOJ!
The Justice Department officials who were selected to be interviewed hit merely the tip of this iceberg. It is extremely important that the House and Senate Judiciary Committee’s interview John Nowacki, Principal Deputy Director as well as the Acting Counsel to the Director in the Executive Office of the Justice Department, in order to establish the links between the Justice Department officials, the US Attorney’s in the field, and the political operatives who helped remove the targeted US Attorney’s. I have gathered and organized every document released so far from the Justice Department relating to John Nowacki as well as background information on his relationship with the Federalist Society. You will be shocked at how many key pieces of information he gives to Paul McNulty, William Moschella, Michael Elston, William Mercer, Monica Goodling, and former employees Michael Battle and Kyle Sampson.
This story on John Nowacki, including updates, can be found at: http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/
OT- Cspan is running the Sampson testimony now.
The Bush administration sucks rocks.
I just wanted to get that off my chest. Please disperse. Nothing to see here.
Does Leahy have a shred of evidence?
I’m going to bet he does.
BTW, Orrin, ‘high level officials’ are not above the law.
Meanwhile, the AP is hard at work on the ultimate missing white woman case.
Terras Irradient
New invasion rationale–we went there for the rugs.
Turning this hilarious comment into a serious note for just a moment, the cheap rugs are just a small, but perhaps symbolic, representation of the economic exploitation motive that was really behind the invasion.
Zach Edwards @ 6
Anything about Alice Fisher in there? She’s the fixer.
Hatch’s position was as simple as it is indefensible: unless criminal conduct can be proven prior to investigation, then there should be no investigation.
After hearing him stammer out “tempest in a tea…in…in…a coffee cup” I realized I’d love to play poker with him, so’s to win some easy money. He’s a shitty bluffer.
Great post Christy. I watched the meltdown live on MTP.
Drip, drip, drip. BushCo, corrupt to the core.
Orrin Hatch. Pete Domenici.
Ethics committee investigation.
Isn’t there enough already?
Zach Edwards @
6
Thanks, Zach. You may want to draft a brief missive summarizing your research and send it by fax to the House Oversight Committee, addressed to Senator Waxman and Majority Counsel.
Fax number: 202-225-4784
Nice article in flyover country that spanks one-party rule. Not happy about the little dig at the end, but 97% of the article is a smack-down of the Republicans’ use of their former majority.
I liked the part about Hatch replacing Gonzales. Too many mental gymnastics to even begin on that one.
Neil @ 14
Corrupt at the cortex, corrupt to the core. They really don’t even make a show of hiding it.
A’57 @ 11
A’83.
Did McCain’s convoy drive in from the airport because, maybe, you know, US helicopters have been getting SHOT OUT OF THE SKY at an unpresdented rate over the last 3months?
A’57 @ 11
Who?
Does Wrangle’s raspy voice grow on other people like it grows on me? I heard him speak (preach) at Riverside Church a few years ago–some anti-war gettogether. Loved him.
Ever notice how tight Orrin’s shirt collars are? Classic case of blood not flowing to the brain resulting in idiotoalysis, a rare disease making a strong comeback on Sunday MSM bloviations.
Gives the term “Hatch Act” a whole new twist, doesn’t it?
when he wasnt holding them together, Hatch’s hands were shaking. what had him so tense?
also–Leahy declined to call him a liar after one outrageous statement–Leahy noted when asked about the comment that it was April Fool’s Day.
Hatch should look at the polls, only the gooper tps agree that this is the democrats playing politics.
My comment @ 14 can be read if people refresh.
sofistic @ 24
Hatchet Act?
Maybe also check out Larry Johnson’s place this morning. Nice one WRT Natasha.
CHS@zed
bg at 29 — I saw that, and I have a feeling that something may be coming down the pike on that at some point soon. *g*
Orrin pulling Gonzales’ Latino card was worth a chuckle. OK, maybe Newt didn’t laugh so much. Ghetto tongue in cheek.
tommy yum @
27
Speaking of ‘can be read’, Sadly, No! is working again, Tommy. At last!
does the 5th Amendment have a prospective clause cause Hatch says Goodling’s lawyer wrote a brilliant letter?
I can’t find it.
Wonder how many of those “bargain rugs” were left by refugees fleeing Baghdad? Betcha’ he didn’t ask. The bargain does not come with a “provenance.”
Too funny indeed if Hatch were recently campaigning behind the scenes to replace Gonzo. What an a-hole (both of ‘em) :)
It was exquisitely funny to watch Hatch’s namby-pamby “interrogation” of his former staffer, Kyle Sampson, this week. I never saw such softballs. The man has no shame (both of ‘em) :)
Personally, I would love to see Hatch nominated for AG. Not confirmed, just nominated. To have him be questioned, under oath, about the whole Tolson incident would be wonderful.
Wow. MSNBC is touting a Time magazine poll “showing” that both top-running Republican presidental candidates would beat Clinton and Obama.
Gee, a Republican-friendly Time poll, touted by traditional media. Kinda like eating your own poo for its nutritional value.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 33
W00T!!1!!eleven!
Sen. Huckleberry–stealing antiquities from the country of origin; very noblesse oblige of him.
Tommy Y, yes, and somewhere today is also an article saying the top two “conservative” candidates support detention without charges for Americans, here in the USA.
S.O.S. from MA @ 36
Softballs? Larry King must have had an orgasm if he was listening!!!
That lying weasel made me so mad that I threw the remote at the tv.
I just don’t get how Orrin can square deliberately stacking the DOJ and US Atty’swith blatantly partisan hacks, and destroying the integrity and trust we all have to have in order for the system to work right and meet the standards of the constitution. Why is he covering for the bad guys? Why isn’t he angry at the trashing of our justice system? Seriously, don’t any of them get that it’s the constitution that creates and maintains the United States of America?
Why so obsessed with Orrin’s underwear?
bg @ 41
I saw that, at Think Progress, I believe.
“Strong Daddy” is so 11/6.
tommy yum @ 38, good. Now Time can lay off the Democratic candidates and beat up on the Republic front-runners. Or not.
OK, ok, that was naive, I know. Hope you all had a good laugh ;-)
Showdown on military funding supplemental: haven’t seen any Ds make the point yet that if war funding were put in normal budget by DOD, there wouldn’t be any last minute problems. Hope they point that out as time gradually expires. Puts blame where blame is due.
11/6!!
707
Sally @ 47
TIME isn’t going to do anything of the sort. Look at their current issue. Not one mention of the USA scandals. Sampson testimony? Who’s that?
sunny @ 45
He has them bleached and starched.
Neil @ 52
He’s such a stiffie!!
A’57 @ 11
It’s your reunion year. 50! Congrats.
Sampson has to go back to tell the committee just how many of those Wednesday meetings Karl attended. Just sayin’.
Those GOPers really didn’t want him to talk about it. Bet that interruption was pre-arranged to go into play if the hearings went in that direction. I was so disappointed that Grassley didn’t finish.
Maybe Hatch is shakey because a few more layers of investigation and he’ll be knee deep in the shit without a pony in sight.
5 rugs for 5 bucks? Now that’s value!
KO is good about pointing out exactly who will be responsible for not funding the war–the guy who stridently promises to veto the supplemental.
sunny at 45 — Well, if I had been technically correct I should have said “‘garments’ in a twist” — but if you’d seen the look that Hatch had on his face while he was talking, you would understand. Looked like he had a super atomic wedgie the entire show.
bg @
29
Woohoo! LOVED this bit:
and on the heels of Budowsky’s comment that Natasha isn’t very important in this. I think I heard her head explode…
The Salvador Dali wing of the Republic party was out in force this morning.
“Five rugs for five bucks.” These guys are going to put the Onion out of business.
Let’s not put stiffie & Orrin’s underware in same comment.
Christy, I missed the last thread but this caught my eye in the WaPo this morning. Noted from the “supersecret” Gridiron Club dinner last night (we may presume it was really Condi and Rumsfeld since the dinner is ‘off the record’):
“Two very good singers, imported by the Gridiron Club, pretending to be Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Arm in arm they proffered a revisionist version of “I Remember It Well” from “Gigi.” In the song, Rumsfeld remembers Iraqis welcoming U.S. troops “with open arms.” Rice reminds him, “They opened fire! They set off bombs!” An oblivious Rumsfeld responds, “Oh, right, I remember it well.”
….
“Asked if the apparent coziness between Gridiron members and newsmakers bothered him, club president Bill Neikirk of the Chicago Tribune said: “I don’t know why it would feel too cozy. We’re not sucking up to them.”
wapo link
Neil @
52
… Prior to screwing them on
;>)
NickOdemus @
24
I’ve always wondered who it was that decreed that for a man to be considered professional and well-dressed, he had to cut off the blood supply to the brain…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 58
So that’s what it was! I always thought that was the public face of the GOP.
wtlloyd @ 56
And how much money did it cost us for him to do that? How many soldiers were in danger so that assclown could buy a rug?
Great post, Christy, as usual.
Hatch gets his big boy panties in a knot!
I’m from Montana. I want to know why Conrad Burns (Abrahmof’s biggest “friend” in the Senate) wasn’t ever really pursued. If I understand correctly, the current USA for Montana is holding down two positions, one of them being a promotion from the USA position. We now what happened when USAs wouldn’t play ball. What happens when they did?
eCAHNomics @
12
Well, crap. The next logical step will be Persian carpet bombing.
Sampson is also to report back on the three names on his list who were not fired (those he couldn’t recall at the hearing). I hope we learn that, too. It’s been suggested Fitzgerald was one of them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 58
Quite a contrast to Pat Leahy- loved his piercing gaze & “Are you standing by that bullshit, Orrin?” smile…
Time?
Looks like it’s Time to stop polishing Giuliani’s halo and start doing some reporting.
No, they’re not going to do that. It’s time for us to put Time Magazine in the same circular filing cabinet that newsmax and other right-wing noise makers belong in.
Eli @ 69
Wiltons of mass destruction.
They seem to be back on the “they were fired for performance issues” talking point, which has already been proven to be a non-starter for them. And the fact that Orrin “Please Don’t Ask About Brett Tolman” Hatch is the only one defending Gonzo speaks volumes.
Elliott at 67 — Thank goodness for the DVR, I’ll tell yu that much. I had to run the long Hatch quote back and forth several times this morning. He was hemming and hawing so much, and talking in run on sentences — made it tough to transcribe. But I wanted to get it exactly…because it was such craptastic tap dancing. Even for Hatch, it was incredibly unctuous this morning. I really don’t know how Leahy doesn’t just laugh out loud. (Lots of practice, I suppose…*g*)
Eli @ 69
And here I thought it would be higher quality comb-overs?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 75
I loved Leahy’s damnation through faint praise, thanking Hatch for his “lovely” birthday card!
I hope the rug story gets a lot of play. When the Mongols sacked Baghdad in 1258, Baghdad was the jewel of the Middle East. There was a lot of plunder after the Mongols murdered a half a million or more people.
History repeats itself. Tragedy and more tragedy.
Christy Hardin Smith @
31
Christy, first, my thanks for your willingness to actually watch things like MTP. For myself, my blood pressure couldn’t handle it.
On the Plame outing, does anyone know if any new stars were added to the CIA memorial soon after the Novakula column? Seems to me, that would offer at least some circumstantial proof of her status…
Sally @ 70
They already have a lot of e-mails. Sampson more or less said that he brought it up once, realized it was inappropriate, and then immediately dropped it. I suspect that the e-mails tell a different story, and that Sampson will be ‘revising’ his statement.
Pretty sure I heard Orrin at one point refer to the AG as “General” Gonzales. Anyone else catch that?
To me Orin Hatch alwys looks like he just smelled something awful.
“If April comes, can Spring be far behind?”-
Shelley
No-one’s calling him “Booby Hatch”?
Too obvious?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 75
I hardly ever watch Timmeh anymore but I’ll be sure to catch the late night replay for this one! Thanks!
OT, and I almost never do this, but… I have an exclusive follow-up on Matthew Dowd.
I’m pretty selective about when I watch MTP and Orrin Hatch today was why. How Russert let him go on and on, repeating the Repub talking points of the last few weeks—the “badly handled” meme, the “this is overblown” meme, the “at the pleasure of the president” meme—arrrgh! I know they send the young Republican bots to school to learn how to do this don’t take a breath while you’re talking stuff, the trick of never putting a period in what you’re saying so you can run down the clock on your time, but to see an old bot do it is salt in the wound. And how Timmy did let him go on.
I was apoplectic—again. Dogs ran into the crate, again. LOL! Thanks for putting up this post, Christy, so I don’t feel I was the only one. It helps to have a place to rant.
Eli @ 84
Darn sure it is NOTNOTNOT Althouse.
Oh, dear. Time must not have noticed my cancellation was a protest. They have told me they want me back after telling me I was not to comment on the contents, just the delivery service. How Republic is that?
Sonoma Rus @ 82
Yeah, the stuff that comes out of his mouth.
Eli@69
Thanks. Never thought I’d laugh about bombing Iran.
darkblack @
63
He has them bleached and starched.
… Prior to screwing them on
;>)
They are not underwear they are LDS sacred garments.
edit:”Prior to screwing them on” no, “it’s prior to screwing with them on”..I am not making this up.
demit @ 87
I bet he zinged him with one of those “gotcha” quotes or video clips at the end, though. Right?
Right?
rabbit rabbit
Neil @
15
Yeah, at first I was yelling at the TV for Russert to cut Hatch’s meanderings off. Then I realized these weren’t meanderings. He was flailing around, the pitch of his voice was getting shrill and he was at a loss for words. It was like watching a bug in a jar, but more odious.
utahred @ 81
Attorneys General can be given the honorific of “General”
eCAHNomics @ 91
All part of the service.
Eli you are cracking me up.
Eli @ 86
Would that it were so… except the small plane part
*sigh*
dakine01 @ 96
Shouldn’t that be “odorific”?
Last evening I attended a speaking event where Scott Ritter spoke about the impending war with Iran.
Scott was asked how to resolve the war in Iraq.
A: Get out of Iraq right now. 80% of the violence in Iraq are directly related to or from friction from US presence.
Ritter’s take on Iran, the window for war with Iran has opened and will be open until June. All the components are in place, carrier groups, bombing groups, flight paths negotiated with neighboring countries, increasing the oil reserves in the strategic reserves.
He was very upset the amendment was removed from the spending bill to demand Bush to get permission to attack Iran. He feels that congress has abdicated their roll.
solai @ 37
Great idea!
Hatch is the only one defending Gonzales strongly, because that is part of the price to pay for getting the nomination himself when Gonzo steps down.
I thought Hatch sounded deranged. The longer he ranted the better, I thought.
katymine @ 101
now you’ve got me back under the bed.
Frank @ 80, Spector was beside himself when he thought Sampson was going to give up those three names. Don’t do it, son, don’t do it. Great moment. One of many.
Ritter was correct before the war and he’s correct now.
I’m furious that the amendment was removed.
Sally @ 106
Let me guess: Sampson couldn’t remember them?
McLaughlin, in introducing Purgegate topic, said: Sampson tears down the temple. Guess he’s reading FDL.
Jesterfox @ 102
yes, Excellent!
although I still don’t think we’ll ever see the Senate air that “little” scandal
Since it’s April 1st and somebody upthread mentioned the Onion, thought I’d share:
link
Frank Probst @ 80
Interesting insight. If you’re right, and the committee decides to allow Sampson to revise his statement, I wonderif the Dems can leverage it to demonstrate they’re after the facts and not pursuing it for politcal advantage only.
well, well, well,
it looks like more than the usual water carrying bluster from the gentleman from Utah – his timbre has rock and a hard place written all over it and I don’t think it’s Pat Leahy wryly toying with him like my cat on a mouse
he’s been directed by WH to get out there and sell it or face a whispering campaign surrouding his involvement in the Patriot Act/quid pro quo switcheroo -
Audrey @ 111
I assume the offending reporter was quickly wrestled to the ground.
Neil @ 53
And Fitz’s 25th.
this is an exact example of what I demonstrated on the thread downstairs, the neo fascist strategy for propaganda is simple and yes, elegant in it’s application
ths strategy is as follows and it has one rule;
rule 1);
keep repeating what you want your base to believe, repeat it in the face of clear evidence against, repeat it in the face of common sense, just keep repeating it
rule 2;
see rule 1
do that and the pundits on your side of politics get to repeat it using you as an expert
then anyone that dissagrees has to actually prove water is wet, ice is cold
and we have to do it again and again and again ad nauseum
and the more they say it the more it legitimizes what’s been said in the minds of the marionettes
that is the strategy, repeat with authority and by saying it as if it is a fact you create the dialogue that legitimizes the lie
I’ll say it again…this technique is elegant in it’s application and effective
Sally @ 106
Nice to see Darlin’ Arlen back in true form. His last great performance was the not to be forgotten “one bullet did it all” theory during the Warren Commission herings. How times have not changed!
ot, someone probably said this already, but Frank Rich has a good column about Elizabeth Edwards today.
ot further, is something up with Maureen Dowd? Someone alluded to this yesterday. I have a kind of ghoulish fascination with the woman….
Timmah is still not giving the Dems equal time. I just watched the last 16 minutes of the Leahy/Hatch match (tuned in late), 2 things struck me. The first is that Timmeh seemed to be giving Hatch much longer to talk than Leahy. So I rewound and counted minutes. Hatch was allowed to blather on for 11 minutes to Leahys 5 minutes. The other thing was that for 3 of those 5 minutes Timmeh was asking questions of Leahy ABOUT HATCH!
Kyra Phillips is doing a great job on describing Petreus’s security: triple what prez has.
Elliott @ 94
A friend taught me “rabbit rabbit.” The first two words to speak when you wake on the 1st of each month for good luck.
If you have ever worked with a “clique” of Mormons in business or government: They never have any criticisms of their fellow Mormons. They can undertake the most unethical acts, and it’s all okay… because he/she is “holier than though.”
Sort of “holier than though” gone wild.
Authoritarians by schooling – Christian Madrassas taken to an extreme, now running the United Staes’ largest theocracy – Utah.
They never saw a “father figure” they didn’t like. It seems like Hatch is just now being uncovered as the key general in Emperor Messiah’s plan to have evangelical fundy-bots play Manchurian candidates in out system of justice.
“Christian faith? Then you get “more justice” than these other [read, immoral] candidates.”
And, as Digby said on Friday;
Neil @ 121
!
Sorry to ruin everyones lovely spring day… My roses are starting to open, my lilac vine is one big waterfall of purple, and my easter lilies are starting to open.
Ya, Scott scare the sh*t out of a lot of people here in Phoenix.
Wow…. Wolf is slamming the McCain lie…. not one person is safe in Iraq.
Well, eli—though ole Tim sure does like to read for the class and isn’t THAT another thing that irks me—it seemed that whenever he felt a zing coming on he aimed it at Pat Leahy. After Hatch’s soliloquy ran down, Timmeh turned to Leahy and said, “Well, senator? DO you have a shred of evidence?”
And of course Democrats answer directly the questions that are asked. Hatch, like all his cohort, answered his direct questions with, “Well, Tim, first I’d like to go back to what Sen. Leahy said…”
Jeebus, I wish I hadn’t watched. I need a Yuengling already, and the sun is nowhere near the yardarm.
off topic, we are in for another freidman and this one looks pretty good…from think progress
Puesto @ 122
Couldn’t agree more. I ski in UT 2-3 times/years for the last 30 years. Familiarity breeds contempt.
Of course, the really big news this April Fool’s weekend is pretty much buried in the MSM, and that is Bush sticking his nose into the UK-Iran fray. By demanding that Iran return the troops.
When did Poodle Blair appoint Bush as his Ambassador to Iran? If Blair was not such a wimp, he should tell Dubya to mind his own business, as this is a problem between the Brits and Iran, not the US. Bush is violating all kinds of diplomatic protocol by jumping in and making things more complicated for the UK, at the same time that the Brits are searching for a diplomatic solution.
And yet, nobody in the MSM, not the Times nor the Post, nor the lefty blogosphere is calling him on this.
What is happening is that Bush sees this as a golden opportunity (think 9/11) to advance another casus belli, and to stir up things to the extent that Britain can not afford to negotiate a settlement with Iran.
Is this another Gulf of Tonkin in the making? My answer is that Bush wants it to be, and is doing everything he can to make it true: the goal is to put the onus on Iran for starting WWIII. This is the spawn of the OVP-AIPAC, which is still in charge of Middle East policy, Rice not withstanding.
Enquiring minds….
demit @ 125
God, I hate Timmeh. He’s a much more consistent Republican shill than Matthews, who has been known to speak truth every once in a while.
demit @ 125
12:02pm in NYC. Time for everyone to drink everywhere.
Puesto at 122 — You know, I have not found that to be the case. We have some relatives and friends who are LDS, and I’ve heard them critcize Hatch and other Mormons plenty of times. Maybe you were around the kool-aid drinking variety? Which, honestly, isn’t the churchs fault, it’s a whole different subset of thought, or lack thereof. *g*
(emphasis mine)
DO NOT get me started on this one
Petraeus being a genius and all has agreed to this plan where US Military travel known, well documented routes between clearly designated ‘security outposts’ in the back of unarmormed pickup trucks
but everyone on the other side of the aisle is dismissed for wanting ” a date certain”
p.s.
have I missed Lowry’s The Surge: It’s Working ! cover yet ?!?!?
barrelhse @
83
Ode to the West Wind – Percy Bysshe Shelley
Eli @ 114
In a manner of speaking:
The agent suffered some minor abrasions though.
That bullsh*t repub talking point that there “is not a shred of evidence” of any wrong doing? They really do think we’re stupid! How many times do we have to say that evidence is what comes out DURING the investigation. Ya start with the dead body lying on the floor in a pool of blood (or the fired prosecutor who was investigating and inditing(?) corrupt republican lawmakers) ya have a suspicion that murder was done, THEN you investigate. DURING the investigation you acquire evidence. Then you present the evidence and charge the suspects, and try them. Is that so hard?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 130
I’ll say this much about the Mormon Church, they are incredibly generous with the genealogy information they have painstakingly acquired from around the globe.
A’57 @ 115
It’s your reunion year. 50! Congrats.
And Fitz’s 25th.
Five years ago Fitz spoke about prosecuting terrorism cases in Manhattan. Somehow, I don’t think he’ll have much to say about the CIA leak case this June, and understandably so. It’s “inactive” unless new information comes to light.
It’s also emptywheel’s 17th.
Very good article on Democratic Freshmen in Congress in the LA Times: Democratic pups are top dogs
Despite the Libby trial’s embarassing revelation that Timmeh is a useful tool (the MOST useful and favored) for the disemination of Arbusto/Cheneyco propaganda, Pumpkinhaid marches on, nary missing a beat.
It didn’t seem to phase him one iota. The bad PR from that revelation should have had some impact. It appears to have been totally ignored by the Media and hence the American public. Pumpkinhead is a disgrace.
Wish someone would do a post on David Hicks’s “sentence” so we could discuss it. Pretty scuzzy stuff.
tpm link
eCAHNomics—LOL! I suppose a bloody wouldn’t hurt. I’ll put celery in it & call it brunch. Actually the show on Sunday I do enjoy is the McLaughlin group. At least they mostly argue with substance, and with some humor. That and the bloody will put me right :)
in case ya missed it -
Utah support for
WarOccupation drops 21 points in 5 monthsvia Crooks and Liars
Hatch is a fool 24/7.
hackworth @ 138
You sound surprised.
Just watching the Sampson hearing again on C-Span. Anyone left who thinks Linc Chaffee wasn’t so bad should be watching Sheldon Whitehouse just drill into Kyle.
conniptionfit @ 135
And what of all those emails? “Loyal Bushies”? AGAG at those meetings? “Gum it to death”? Why can’t Leahy say quote-unquote, “This IS evidence!”?
Individually, they may be just circumstantial. But together, they must reach most reasonable people’s standards of “evidence”!
newtonusr @ 145
Yes, that was a thing of beauty wasn’t it!
newtonusr @ 144
I would love to see him turn out to be presidential material, just so I could hear people referring to the “Whitehouse White House”.
This would also be the only upside to a Tony Snow presidency…
EPU’d from just prior post but germain here as well
Arnie says:
April 1st, 2007 at 9:12 am
That Orrin Toady Hatch that you have been exposed to of late is the same, undimminished Orrin Toady Hatch of Watergate and of Iran/Contra hearings. In his life he has shown no growth of character, remaining the same sorry appologist for executive criminality in all cases. George W may be a right hoor, Orrin Toady Hatch will never in his life be anything but a cute hoor, count on it. If it is evil, it is Orrin.
I would only add to the last statement – count on it. That’s no foolin’!
Elliott @ 135
The amount of data in the genealogy records is amazing. Tracing family trees and baptizing the dead into the LDS church is a major part of the religion. They did catch some flack when they baptized Jews who died in the death camps.
AZ Matt @ 146
Elections have consequences. Besides, forget where Chaffee is now, but vauge memory that he is doing something much better for him& us. So a positive sum game.
I had put this downstairs, but it’s even more relevant here:
…wanted to remind about something Timmeh said earlier this week on “Today.” He reported he spent the whole previous day looking for a Repub to come on MtP to defend AG, and he finally found Hatch.
I found that kind of annoying — how many gymnastics they’ll go thru to force an opposing POV — and marvelled that he didn’t bother to call Sampson’s BFF first, but then it hit me another way: think of all the other Rs would might be there, but aren’t.
How many Congresscritters would give up first-borns to be The Dude on Cheney’s fave show, but wouldn’t do so on this topic. And Timmeh made a point to say so.
Hmmmm….
Caves where documents are kept are at base of Little Cottonwood Canyon, which is where I ski.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 130
Christy – I may have stepped over an ordinary boundary of mine not to stereotype. But, I am very frustrated at what now appears obviously to be an evangelical clicque running MY country.
It is highly illegal to have “faith” questions as part of your federal job ap; Or, for that matter as a criteria for your job review if now a federal employee. I used to be one, so I speak from first hand experience – and abuse of – The Hatch Act.
I will bet my last dollar that at least one of the criteria used for Sampson’s list at the heart of all this is “level of faith” – read Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately, I think the facts over the last 2,000 years will bear out that Christians have been using themselves for “victim-bait.” THUS, No one – NO ONE – can bring up the theory of “faith” being at play in these job selections – and de-selections – without falling into the Christian “Self victim-bait” trap. As history over the last 2,000 years will bear out, you would be skewered!
Our Emperor Little Boots Messiah: “I think God wants me to run for President.” I think he meant this when he said it circa 1996. Now, we now how he intended to implement his God taking over MY country.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
“Super Atomic Wedgie:” see Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedgie
I didn’t know Ashcroft was currently working at Regent University
Max Blumenthal
and I’ve just spent the last hour trying to find a link for Carol Lam as Southern California Clinton Campaign Manager – it would interesting to see what a googler like our Redshift would find
From Knight Ridder Washington Bureau (3/26/07)
My guess would be that there are many more automatons with similar credentials in the Bush Whitehouse. What would Jesus do?
bookwoman @ 156
New Testament Jesus, or Fundie Jesus?
cbl—But which Clinton and which election re Lam, maybe all they meant was she at one point did something for Bill’s first campaign.
Spaghetti against the wall stuff.
bookwoman @ 156
My guess would be that there are many more automatons with similar credentials in the Bush Whitehouse. What would Jesus do?
As my son says: What does Christianity have to do with Christ?
Bookwoman -
the Blumenthal link right above your comment says there are 150 Regent U grads currently working for WH
Petraeus is Bush’s poodle. Bush chose him because he backed the Bush escalation. If Petraues had disagreed with the Bush plan he would still be commanding a desk in Kansas or wherever.
Then, of course, Bush hides behind his sockpuppet and tells us we should all listen to the military men like Petraeus. It’s all typical Bush Administration kabuki.
CENTCOM commander Fallon’s trip to the region was interesting. Martha Raddatz covered it and completely missed the point about it as per usual. She said Fallon had dressed down numerous generals because they were not looking at short term results only. There are two things about that. First, tamping down the fire in your barbecue immediately in front of you may not be the wisest strategy when your house is going up in flames behind it. Second, Raddatz missed that Fallon was undermining and implicitly criticizing Petraeus. Those generals are after all immediately under Petraeus in the chain of command, and if they aren’t doing what they are supposed to be doing, guess whose desk (now in Iraq) that lands on?
eCAHNomics @ 159
I see a division between Old Testament Christians and New Testament Christians.
Guess which ones I think have a more legitimate claim to Christianity?
the bottom line is that the reason given for firing the USAs – that they ‘failed to perform’ was in fact true. ‘Performance’ in the bush DoJ means:
1) supressing investigations of actual criminality by republicans
2) raising phoney criminal inquiries against democrats around election time
3) preventing as many democrat-leaning voters as possible from voting.
any USA failing to perform these primary functions is subject to immediate termination and replacement with one exhibiting the proper loyalty to bush and ability to foment the cult of republicanism agenda.
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I am always amazed at how up to date Wikipedia is. On Carol Lam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Lam
cbl @ 161
that’s just creepy.
conniptionfit @
44
peterboy @
26
Orrin is angry not about the Constitution and the Rpublic, but about the collapse of his conspiracy and the possibility a co-conspirator would fold.
The Bush coup was funded and orgaized by megacorp power and the megacorps’ servants in Interior, Justice, the WH, and the relevant COngressional “oversight” comittees.
Why would Orrin be outraged at the success of his work to give Big Energy and Big Mining a free pass to loot public lands?
Why would Orrin be outraged about the activites of his mentees Kyle Sampson (or US Atty for DC Taylor)? Orrin – serving the energy/mining megacorps – helped groom Sampson and Taylor for their positions in order to help the megacorps who own him.
Orrin’s tremors are those of a Senator closely associated with proteges who actively conspired to obstruct justice and to provide false testimony to the Senate – while Orrin attended the testimony
Orrin is looking at the very real prospect of ending his career disgraced and convicted.
His hands shake from fear; his anger is only about his own personal destruction.
He long ago ceased to care about the destruction of our public lands, Justice Dept, or Republic.
No wonder he’s sucking for AG – still thinks he can save the cover-up.
Too late, Bishop Hatch.
Hope Christy and y’all will forgive a (partial!) repost on Hathch’s proximity to obstruction of justice and directing a witness to lie to Congress – in this case, the Senate.
The context is the seemingly complex case involving extraction of mnerals/oil/gas/resoucres from either Native American lands and/or US public lands (under Dept of Ag (Forest Service) or Dept of Interior).
This scandal is so deep that Abu adroitly used his current troubles to further serve his megacorp masters – and did it below the radar.
Abu did so when he stiffed last week’s Congressional hearing on the public lands fraud. Even a dim bulb like Abu gets “Teapot Dome”.
Lots of background on this multi hundred billion (that’s multiple “$100 Billions”) bill owed to the US Treasury – owed to us taxpayers – by Cheney/Bush/Hatch’s owners in Big Energy/Mning/Timber may be found here.
Even more from Wampum and Indianz.
Follow the money.
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Oh – and Kyle Sampson – Abu’s chief of staff? Remember him? And the 122 times he couldn’t?
Well – no one asked him on Thursday – and he prolly wouldn’t remember – but reliable Kyle did remember to conspire to commit Federal crimes against the Cobell plaintiffs.
And he even remebered to commit them.
When the Senate insisted on testimony on the Cobell accounting crimes at DOI from the Federal Special Trustee For American Indians (Tom Slonaker), Griles, Norton, and then advisor to the President Kyle Sampson ordered Slonaker to lie to the Senate by changing his written testimony.
After Slonaker showed up in person and testified honestly despite the Griles / Norton / Sampson conspiracy to obstruct justice and provide false testimony to Congress, Sampson (from Bush) and Griles (from Interior) fired Slonaker.
Wampum had the story:
[Bolding mine - kjm]
Nexus to:
- purge of USA’s
- co-conspirators to obstruct justice and lie to the Senate
- energy/mining megacorps protected by co-conspirators
- convicted corrupt DOJ ex-No 2
(who was beneficiary of USA purge.
and mega-lobbyist for energy/mining interests protected by co-conspirators)
Well – that nexus is good ‘ol Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah.
Now where have I been reading about criminal conspirators for Bush with close ties to Utah?
And who was pulling Orrin’s strings during Orrin’s slurpfest on Kyle Sampson at Thursday’s hearing?
eCHANomics @ 160
What a wise son you have…
pluege @ 163
Thank you pluege. NOW I understand.
bookwoman @ 166
Thanks. Acutally, that’s about the extent of his wisdom. He’s pretty far over on the Dark Side. Bad parenting I would guess.
Eli @ 162
New Testament Christians= Christ= Peace, love and help the poor
Old Testament Christians= The Jeebus= kill..kill..kill and starve the poor
Here’a Wikipedia on Monica Goodling. Take a look at the right-hand sidebar to get a quick overview of others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Goodling
cbl @ 156
Thanks…I guess it would help if I read all the way through the thread before I posted! Anyway…it’s all so bizarre and slimy.
well-put, christy!
i, too, admit to drawing encouragment
from some of what has come out of
hard-right dead-tree publications, in
the last week. . .
it seems that people of conscience — both
left and right — are finding the courage to
speak-up and act-out to reject the cheney/
rove/bush politics of hate, division and fear:
read about marine col. v. stuart couch.
he has refused to prosecute a gitmo
case because the evidence to be presented
against the accused was the product of torture.
and this, his story, appears in the wall
street journal — the weekend edition — but
the journal, nonetheless. . .
i am not naive — but i do
think we can bring all of them:
gonzales
rove
cheney, and
bush 43
to account. we can.
OK, I admit I don’t watch the Sunday morning talk shows. Why waste a beautiful morning?
But it sure sounds like Russert is in some kind of abusive relationship with the Bush Administration. After the Scooter Libby trial exposure of what an unprofessional, gullible hack he was, you might expect him to be seriously p*ssed off. Instead he’s already ready to make nice. Maybe the Dixie Chicks could do an intervention.
Steve @ 169
Yep. Don’t forget “Hate Teh Gay” as well.
sofistic @ 165
Thanks for the link, at the end they have a cached copy of the bio the gov’t posted when she worked as a US Attorney.
She’s really something.
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are serviley crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
- Thomas Jefferson
I wonder how reason be feminine and god be masculine, but otherwise, I like this quote.
I’m reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. This quote is found on page 42.
Elliot at 165 -
“That is just creepy.” CRACK me up! It is, isn’t it. The vacuous stare a proselytizing bible thumper gives when you ask “Are you proselytizing?” just cracks me up…
..They always say “What does that mean?” The Madrassa they attended never told them what the word means. Vacuous is probably not in their school dictionary either.
Puesto @ 153.
I agree that if any career employee or political appointee or nominted political appointee is found suitable or unsuitable based on “level of faith”, we have discriminatory practice in addition to fealty problems and not for nothing but also denial of our freedom to worship (or not) under the Constitution.
You observently recognize the inevitable demogogery, toxicity and obfuscation that will clearly be a part of the discussion if the issue is appropriatly raised, either as part of the US Attorney firings, or replacement nominees, or elsewhere in the US government.
Steve at 170 — Well, close but it’s more like:
“If God loved you, you wouldn’t be poor, so obviously you deserve to be destitute, you sinning heathen.” (I’m paraphrasing here, but I actually heard someone say something along these exact lines once. I kid you not. And it was to a single mother whose husband had run off with someone, never paid child support, and she was working two or three jobs just to feed her kids. Clearly it was God’s will that she and her family just be miserable, and no one should help her as a result — that was the intent of the comment. Don’t know about you, but that is not the God that I learned about at my grandpa’s church growing up, let alone reading the WHOLE Bible.)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 179
Yeah, but that New Testament stuff is such weak, boring hippie shit. I mean, where’s the smiting?
I will say that I am not a supporter of religious proselytism at all.
angie @ 181
Or religious prostitution, I wager.
Eli @ 175
You know, if God had obsessed on Gays like today’s evangelicals do, there would have been whole books of the Bible devoted to the issue.
Poor John McCain. Michael Ware and even Kyria Phillips called him in effect, a doe-eyed idealist for his sappy accounting of the goings on in Iraq.
On McCains’ absolutely vacuous assertion that Gen. Petraeus traveled in an unarmored Humvee. Phillips said Petraeus’ entourage made the president’s look small. Chopers, snipers, armored vehicles.
McCain better stop double dosing his meds.
-GSD
hackworth @ 176
Well, Jefferson was influenced by French Enlightenment thinkers and he did know French although he made lots of mistakes in it. Anyway, reason is feminine in French and god masculine. Still it could be just a coincidence.
Just read the Lam wiki. Doesn’t say anything about working for Clinton campaign. But IIRC, Hatch also accused her of being an academic & having no procutorial experience. Here’s what wiki says:
That’s her entire professional experience after her Stanford law degree. Don’t see any academia there. Talk about spaghetti against the wall. There’s not even a shred of truth in Hatch’s accusations, & in an area that can be so easily checked.
AZ Matt @ 183
Homophobia would at least be supported by more than, what, one or two quotes in the OT?
Eli @ 182
Or religious prostitution, I wager.
you got that right.
Eli — you just made me spew my tea. hehehehehe
Eli @ 180
Yeah, but that New Testament stuff is such weak, boring hippie shit. I mean, where’s the smiting?
And ROCKS! I like the rock throwing!
What does the Book of Mormon say about bald faced lying, Mr. Hatch?
-GSD
Eli @ 108, that’s what Sampson said. Can’t remember exactly the three names and it wouldn’t be fair (ha)…although it seemed obvious to me they were on the tip of his tongue until he got the vibes from Spector to just keep on forgetting, son.
Some months ago, I noticed on their genealogical Web site (www.familysearch.org) that some of my Quaker ancestors and relatives had been posthumously baptized.
Sally @ 192
Shocked. Shocked, am I.
Eli @
86
Thanks a lot. not.
Personally, I like the Book of Waxman because it does deal with Transgessors of the Constitution, of which we know there are many.
The Book of Waxman sayeth:
Congress has a responsibility under the Constitution to conduct oversight of the executive branch. The Committee on Government Reform has the specific responsibility to oversee whether laws and programs are being implemented and carried out in accordance with the intent of Congress and whether they should be continued, curtailed, or eliminated; the application, administration, execution, and effectiveness of laws and programs; and the organization and operation of federal agencies and entities having responsibilities for the administration and execution of laws and programs. As set forth in House Rule X, clause 4, the Committee also may, at any time, conduct investigations of any matter regardless of whether another standing committee has jurisdiction over the matter.
So feareth the Transgessors of which there are many.
What does the bible say, *f thy * offend thee, pluck *t out?
AZ Matt @ 196
Is there smiting? I like smiting.
angie @ 181
Me neither. I’m particularly disgusted with the preponderance of Christians who support the war.
Christy. Thanks for the two threads on Sunday Morning (Talking Head) shows. I find the conversations here at FDL valuable learning experiences.
Hackworth @177
Here’s my favorite quote from the book:
GSD @ 192
…or bearing false witness?
GSD @ 185
To me, there is something odd about McCain’s beahvior of late, I sometimes wonder if he’s being blackmailed by BushCo.
McCain’s fuzzy math.
March deaths in Iraq up 15% over February.
McCain enjoy’s the Kool-Aid.
-GSD
Eli @ 199
Is there smiting? I like smiting.
I think that is assumed.
GSD @ 191
Let me see if I understand your question:
You mean to ask what Joseph Smith wrote, which words he received from an angel named Moroni, says about lying?
I wonder, also, if he told his first wife about the other woman[women] right off the bat. Or, do you suppose he lied for a little while?
Hmmmmm…
GSD @ 204
I tell you you guys are looking at this all wrong. If you were standing on your heads, you would see the world as McCain sees it.
angie @ 181
So that would mean you are into antselytism?
Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi, 9; 32
OT, but has anyone ever asked Bush outright, “Has your administration ever spied on Democrats?”
Because personally I am 100% sure they have, yet nobody asks.
Elliott @ 204
There has always been something odd about McCain. It is just varying degrees of oddness you are witnessing. He walks to the beat of a different drummer, but sometimes there is no beat, and not even a drummer. He has that haunted…dare I say it?…Manchurian candidate look.
For his own good he should retire.
As an outside the Beltway observer this whole thing really gets old.
Stop appointing unqualified people like Rice, Brown, Gonzales, Miers, etc. and this crap won’t even be an issue. I am fairly conservative and come on here and find a lot of good points you guys make and find your comments/posts educational . Thanks.
…and God said “abandon all thy cable subscriptions, oh children.”
Then banish thy evil glass eye in a box from your dwelling and stone it to death. (recycle all useful parts.)
Hi pups -
When our long-suffering mods have a chance to review it, there’s a longish comment up around 167 regarding the nexus of corruption around Sen Hatch.
He has good reason to be trembling and angry. His dear mentees Kyle Sampson and Jeffery Taylor conspired to suborn false testimony before Congress – at a hearing Orrin attended. Jeffrey Taylor is the USA who – USA for DC – just signed off on the Griles “get out of jail free” plea deal.
Subtext – if the Bushies do their jobs, they can still help Big Energy/Mining evade hundreds of billions of dollars owed the Treasury for past and current oil and mineral leases. The Griles plea deal – not yet approved in Federal Court – is an essential part of the Sampson/Taylor efforts to obstruct justice.
Nice picks, Bishop Hatch.
And do make sure the energy/mining megacorps that own you don’t have to pay their bills. After all, we’d hate to Chevron and Exxon and KerrMcGee stuck with payments so massive they’d essentially shift the Iraq War costs from taxpayers to Big Energy/Mining.
That would be awful, wouldn’t it – Bishop Hatch?
Re: New Testament vs Old Testament.
I have to admit that I’m more of an Old Testament fan. MUCH cooler special effects.
Since GW is into the Rapture I was just thinking about the Gonzo’s Rapture: The Four Horseman of the Gonzo Rapture – Conyer, Leahy, Schumer and WAXMAN.
I doubt it Gonzo is eating well these days. It is the old shall I stay or should I go momnet.
Folks, please be careful about doing long, long run-on sentences put together with dashes or elipses and no spaces between — can wreak havoc with the margins and the mods have to fix them comment by comment by hand. Long links can cause the same sort of problems as paste-ins, just FYI. Definitely fixable, but I’d rather they didn’t have to do it. Remember, spaces are your friend. Thanks!
Neil @ 179
Please look at Article VI of the Constitution, about which I posted a comment in the prior thread. Here is a relevant excerpt from Article VI:
I think I read recently that prospective US attorneys might have been required to take a loyalty oath. Can anyone shed additional light on this subject, please?
Elliott @ 204
McCain sold his soul to BushCo for BushCo support in his Prez bid. How is it that McCain obtained the Ranger & Pioneer donor lists?
Rumors here in AZ since 2004 that BushCo made a deal, McCain does the knee pad act to Bush and they will help him even appoint him when Cheney resigns for health reasons. This has been bantered around here since the rumors that Kerry was looking at McCain.
We are in the middle of a McCain recall petition drive, we need over 100K signatures but several activists are traveling all over the state. It is legal in AZ and McCain signed an agreement to be subject a recall election.
um, I guess so Hugh @ 209. LOL
On lying:
Christy,
How are your daffodils this morning?! I got to get outside soon and work on parts of the garden.
talking heads – crosseyed and painless youtube
Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don’t do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don’t stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape
I am all for more spaces… green, blue and lots of open ones.
I remembered that after I went out..They wouldn’t say Gay but “Please Jeee-bus kill the hoo-mo-sex-uals”
Re: Saint McCain.
My take is that either he’s completely gone off the deep end, or Karl’s got the goods on him. I tend to think it’s #2. This is a man that was reportedly thinking of leaving the party after the 2000 election, but then refused Kerry’s Veep offer in 2004 and threw his weight behind Bush. I’m sorry, but after that whole South Carolina “black baby” thing, there is just no way he should’ve supported Bush. Ever. If you fuck with someone’s kids, you should expect them to shun you for life. McCain isn’t doing that, which leads me to believe that Karl’s got some handy 8×10s in a safe somewhere.
TPM has this interesting link about the Goodling gal.
law.com
Frank Probst @ 215
just saw an ad last night for a new movie using the ten plagues. Looks like there could be some smiting and such. The Reaping
New thread by Christy Hardin Smith.
In Our Hands
And that hankie you had from yesterday’s Gore Presidency thread?
Bring it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 218
Okay, this has really got my curiousity piqued. How does poor punctuation kill the Margin Fairy?
(”I do believe in Margin Fairies! I do! I do!!! !!!!! !!!!!!!”)
[Modnote: see previous discussion re smiting. The Margin Faerie]
i think it was more about party-affiliation
than religious affiliation — in which case,
the relevant proscriptions appear in a
federal statute called the hatch act.
just fyi.
cheers!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 217
and so are the mods!
Neil @ 15
“Nucular meltdown”. I loved when Leahy said “I’ve had it” when he referred to the AG “declining the dates that they offered” Leahy went onto say “no more closed door meetings, we want this under oath and public”
Hatch was clearly flustered.
Rangel was simply amazing on Russert’s MTP. I swear I saw tears in Russert’s eyes as Rangel described his service in Korea. Rangel was focused on military service for all. Compulsory! That will sure change things.
Matthews Sunday program has me asking once again what is with Mattthews addiction to the Clintons private lives and superficial issues. He is either talking about how Hillary is not “warm and fuzzy”, or on Clintons marital hanky panky. Chris always has a smirk when it comes to the Clintons, his agenda is clear, take them out.
I sure wish Matthews would focus on more substantive issues having to do with the Clintons, like policies and Bill’s focus on the Aids issue. No Matthews twist the focus by inferring that Hillary may spank Bill like Ricki (I Love Lucy) spanked Lucy for sticking her nose into his business. I find Matthews petty when he so chooses to focus on such silly mattters.
This morning on Chris Matthews program Andrea Mitchell said “Republicans are going to crack” in regard to support for the war. Andrew Sullivan called the war in Iraq a “Republican branded war”. Sullivan also said that the public looks at the Republican party as “incompetent, nasty and intolerant”.
On Matthews show there was also talk about how many Republicans are pissed at Hagel, for his stance against the ongoing mess in Iraq. They said it made him look like an independent.
I say “Hagel run as an independent” Would love to see this door open again, with Hagel, Gore and Nader all running as Independents. The time could not be more right!
but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
No test IS administered. They know what school was attended and a wink winky nod nod. When they get busted on it they call foul. They know they are gaming the system and they know they can get away with it.
The Constitution does not state implicitly that a gang of thugs (paying/using The Church and other right-thinking Christian churches) could not run the country (into the ground).
Face it folks, our “Free Press” is full of “Useful Idiots” working for the Republican Party 24/7.
The best thing to come out of the Libby trial was the total pantsing of the fourth estate on this point — obvious to all us Firepups but not to much to the public at large — save for those who’ve been paying close attention and have long memories.
Cheny “controls” Timmeh, and his former Number One Underling, Pete Williams, is a “reporter” for NBC — a network that also features Mrs. Alan Grenspan as a “reporter.”
Frankly I don’t think he ever recovered from his stay at the Hanoi Hilton.
Christy or one of the moderators:
My 9:46 am comment, presently number 194, contains only one sentence that I wrote, appearing in the concluding paragraph.
I’ve noticed that the “Quote this Comment” feature might be treating some of the text from a quoted comment as part of the current comment. I didn’t write the two paragraphs that preceded the sentence that I wrote in my 9:46 comment.
[Modnote: refresh and all will be well]
Elliott Says,
“To me, there is something odd about McCain’s beahvior of late, I sometimes wonder if he’s being blackmailed by BushCo.”
I agree, his behavior has been very odd. I thought I understood it at first in that he planned to run for President and he had to make nice with the fundies, but it is so inconsistent. And he is so unconvincing with so much of it, like when he was first talking about the surge and was out on a limb with bush, he acknowledged that it was a gamble and a long shot.
Can it be explained by him being someone who used to be an honest person and that he is just horrible at playing at being a bushie. That is, horrible at spinning and lying.
Part of it seems to be that his heart just isn’t in the run for President. And, as others have said, he may be getting age related dementia. His dysfunction seems to have happened so suddenly though that it is hard to understand.
Ever since he turned down Kerry’s offer to be his vice president he has been kissing bush’s ass. It’s hard to cut any Republican any slack because they have been such a corrupt bunch. But maybe McCain’s conscience is getting the best of him and he just can’t find the energy to lie well like he did during the 04 campaign and afterward.
The right thing him to do of course is to face facts and bail on the bastard. If McCain would come out and say the surge isn’t working then McCain could kiss the idea of being President bye bye, but he could also take into retirement a shred of respect. If he did that and supported a withdrawal date, then the war may soon start winding down. Or, if not, impeachment begins in ernest.
Another question. What will McCain do if Bush decides to attack Iran? Any ideas?
I noticed that too Stephen Parrish @ 237– it seems to have started last evening… curious.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 217
I read, just about the time Goodling resigned, but can’t remember where, that there was an oath administered. I do not think it was referring to the oath from civil service manuals.
From many clues, I feel very certain that there was a criteria, perhaps unspoken, or just oral between “The Team” – Sampson, Jennings, Goodling, Sara Taylor – to make an inquiry into candidates “faith.” Or, at least their background in religion – How often to church, on the board, deacon, etc.
We have all seen too many examples of quiet discrimination in employment based on race, age, gender, etc.
The Wapo article or ed, this morning discussed Ashcroft’s atmosphere with such quotes on memo’s as “Missed you at prayer breakfast this morning.” And, it reported that in Ashcroft’s tenure there was some 50% attendance at prayer breakfasts.
None of us here are stupid. We can all imagine what would happen to your career if your boss had “voluntary attendance” at a prayer breakfast.
Elliott @ 226
And ROCKS! Big ones! Lots and lots of BIG ROCKS!
Eli @
86
Okay, I bit and now for another cuppa. Shame on you, shame on me!
Sen. Graham then went on to say during the presser from Baghdad today that he got “five rugs for five bucks.”
Headline in Baghdad Times:- “White Men Continue Tradition of Colonizing and Stealing.”
Either that or the seller has been given Bush’s marketing strategy that he so successfully implemented for the U.S. economy – buy HIGH and sell LOW.
Kathleen @ 231
Nader? You kiddeth, I hope.
Based on what he did in 2000, he should be
walking point in Ramadi.
Phillip @238
McCain has already expressed the opinion that Iran cannot be tolerated with a nuclear capability.
As a war-lover, McCain would see attacking Iran as also a political wedge he can use to bolster his position with the RW-AIPAC base. And that includes access to a huge campaign chest.
Haven’t you noticed how close he is to Joe Lieberman, another hot-to-trot on Iran?
Answer: McCain would love to see us attack Iran.
Puesto @ 241
Would the hail of hail do?
Petrocelli @ 243
“You can barely see the bloodstains!”
And my god have you ever gotten any info on Hagel’s voting record. He is more right wing than bush on everything but the war. I guess since he’s former military that’s the only thing he knows anything about.
He is horrid on environment, worker rights, etc. etc. etc.
Scott Ritter said last night…
Iran is 7-10 years away from a nuclear weapons program
Scottsdale AZ is also 7-10 years away from a nuclear weapons program too
Iran does NOT have access to pure uranium ore. They have uranium ore in Iran but it is contaminated with a mineral but does not have the technology to remove it prior to production.
Snark is coming… Wait for it……
Yeah lets put Hatch in there at AG. This administration cannot substitute one crook for another enough to keep all the crooks happy.
this country is bankrupt. hatch? wtf. collusion w/ msm. it is so painful to watch day after day. do you think we can overcome this disadvantage?
Puesto @
122
An irony. Like when Mormons posthumously “convert” the Jews of the Holocaust in order to “save them” and “bring them into Christ’s family”.
Somehow, I doubt that an itinerant village healer would agree that his message had been heard.
Re: RNC email:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od…..anda_3.htm
Stephen Parrish @ 240, I think Ms. Goodling has not resigned; she remains on indefinite paid personal leave.
Please is there anyone in the Twin Cities who has any information on the appointment of Rachel Palouse to the US Atty slot back in December? She’s 33 and slim on litigation experience. I would really like to know more about that situation.
Murphyslaw @
254
Puesto posted comment 240 and quoted an earlier comment of mine.
So why is it that the delegation isn’t walking freely on the street? McCain was just telling everyone how Americans could walk around safely in Baghdad, after all it’s completely kosher. Why on earth would they need to travel with heavily armed guards in armored vehicles? IT’S SAAAAAFFFFFEEEEEEEEE.
“Diversity” is one word that is rarely associated with the conservative movement in general and the Republican Party in particular. But when it comes to efforts by Hispanic Republicans Alberto Gonzales and Lurita Doan to convert their federal agencies into entrenched partisan redoubts of the GOP, the right has been very quick indeed to turn to the “diversity defense.”
For the details, see:
“Gonzales, Doan and the Republican Diversity Defense.”
Dear Christy,
I love your writing and your analysis. This is a teeny tiny criticism: In your article you say Leahy “tweaked” Hatch. I think what you mean is to “twit” Hatch, which is to mildly tease. Tweaking is making small adjustments to something.
Thanks for your good work.
GTurner
what would jesus do?
enlist!
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april fools!
peas!
Bargain Rugs. As if they were in Bali or in India playing tourist, and bragging about the great deals they could get from the poor natives.
Who are these guys anyway? Does anyone else catch the utter stupidity of this “info-for-the-press” or whatever it is called. So Sen Graham and his buddies are on a trip to Bahgdad, paid for by the taxpayers, and they talk about rug bargains. Does anyone else see this as an impeachable offense? I mean, we are destroying the iraqi culture and economy, murdering their citizens, and all our senators can do is get rug bargains.
I’d say that is just about a capital offense.
Thank you, kirk murphy – I will have to spend more time at Wampum – this specific immense corruption should be more widely known.
OMG Yes. Hatch for AG!
Why? It would open up a Senate seat in Utah — I’d just love to watch the Republicants pour money in trying to defend *Utah* — and even if the Republicants win Utah, we’d still get rid of one of the most corrupt, dangerous, and insane Senators we have!
It would be genius.