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I saw Charlie Rose interview David Gregory chief White House correspondent of NBC last night. For me the jury has been out on Gregory. Sometimes when he is asking questions at a presser, he seems like he understands what’s going on. But often when he gives his reports on TV, he comes across as completely vapid. So I watched his segment on Rose with interest. It was very much a pseudo-thoughtful discussion of the stories surrounding the Bush Presidency by two pseudo-thoughtful men. Issue after issue they discussed without ever once stumbling upon its salient point.
These are two men who sound reasoned as long as you don’t look too closely at just how muddleheaded and intellectually lazy their thinking is. Neither gets the crux of the attorney firings scandal, that political appointments are not meant to be blank checks to stack positions of trust with partisan hacks and political cronies. On Iraq, Gregory portrays Bush and Rice as two innocents left to the mercies of Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Powell, but moments later says that people don’t realize how thoughtful Bush is on the issues. Rose chimes in agreeing. It was really there they lost me.
Bush being thoughtful must be the best kept secret in Washington. Just think how he has managed to hide any evidence of it for 6 long years.
Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that these are two comfortable, immensely self-satisfied guys who have learned the great secret of American journalism in the present age. It is enough to see the trees, don’t bother about the forest. And they don’t.
They are totally oblivious to the fact that Bush is angling for the spot of worst President in our 200 year plus history, that the Iraq war (4 years and counting) is a failure, and that the hallmarks of the Bush Presidency are cronyism, corruption, criminality, and incompetence. None of this affects or informs their journalism. We live in disturbed and disturbing times yet Rose, Gregory, and so many other journalists are far too comfortable to notice. For them it is always business as usual no matter how unusual events become. Bush can inflict any disaster on us or on the world and in their narcotized state it all appears normal. Bush is misunderstood, thoughtful, maybe a trifle naive, but well meaning. In such a light, to tie Bush to the long litany of his scandals and disasters seems a bit much, a bit mean.
In short, they don’t see the obvious around them because they don’t want to see it, they don’t want to know. They don’t want to rock the boats of the powerful because they are mortally afraid the powerful will rock theirs. Journalism has become not a den of muckrakers but a refuge for the Sergeant Schultzes of this world. They go along to get along. They have learned the secret to success is to be ineffective. And how very, very successful they are.
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Al Gore is first on his birthday!
Typo police: “worse President” should be “worst President”.
Has David Gregory EVER told us his version of his conversation with Ari in the Plame case?
Jane!
OT- Rep. Lee Terry (R) calls for gonzo’s resignation.
To further this discussion, I hope the article posted today at TPM Cafe by Brent Budowsky (sp?) reaches all of the MSM who continue to make light of the CIA outing. He makes it so clear what treachery the Bush administration is guilty of – whether they are ever prosecuted for it or not.
Betty
For me, seeing Gregory backup-dancing for Rove’s rap the other night removed all doubts that he is an empty suit. The best course of action would naturally be not to attend such suckupfests, but still he had the option of saying “No, I will not further enable camaraderie with a mass murderer by sharing the stage with such a monster. I’d rather make a scene TYVM.”
Even though Gregory didn’t do that, I still took great pleasure, through my own vomit, in seeing Rove making a total fool of himself in public.
OT, But how is Jane? Can we send cookies or anything? Soup?
Washington is a difficult town to work in. Chess moves. Not everything is apparent.
I used to think the White House Press Corp were held back from asking the hard questions by the Corporate Owners.
Now I know it’s that when your kids are in the same daycare together, it’s just too discomforting to confront liars in the workplace.
We’ve seen time and time again that the press think they gain access by being Washington Insiders, but in fact they are merely being used.
HUGS x 10-to-the-cows-come-home (Jane)
I firmly believe that every once in awhile you must clear your mind of this crap or you will go insane with rage.
The way I am going to get away from bush etal tonight is watch:
Ohio State vs. Georgetown @ 6:07PM (ET)
Florida vs. UCLA @ 8:47PM (ET)
david at 8 — She’s doing very well, thanks. She and Jeralyn are hanging out this weekend, and Jeralyn’s fixing her some scallops for dinner this evening. She’s been taking daily walks with the poodles and things, thus far, have gone well.
Great post Hugh – I saw that too and was just sickened by Gregory (and Charlie Rose too, who has always driven this old southern newsbrat nuts and woefully embarrased again for him).
Your post contributes immeasurably to the exposure of all American media whores and am going to share it far and wide. Many thanks.
Cronyism, corruption, criminality, and incompetence describe the Bush family business. It’s amazing that they escape press scrutiny. Besides their vast and growing wealth, I guess they are forunate to live in an era where being like Limbaugh has replaced being like Murrow.
Hugh,
I couldn’t agree more. It is why I am hopeful when I watch Olbermann and sometimes Maher that we are seeing some very smart folk in the media go after their own. Although, I am peeved that Maher doesn’t seem to get the Tillman scandal. I know it’s lame to say he doesn’t have kids so … but how can he back the army and all the folks that lied to the Tillman family? He did it on Olbermann and on his own show last night. But he did GANK BUSH very well.
Amen.
Frank Probst @ 2
Well, I can’t change it, but ouch, that’s one I should never have made. Thanks.
[Modnote: repaired]
It should be as plain as the nose on your face. The Washington press corps is a “company union”. that it mirrors the “company” program isn’t surprising at all.
The David Gregorys of the world are unwilling to accept the one salient fact that ought to inform every piece of reporting they do: that this is an administration of criminals who are despoiling the entire political process.
This is not just business as usual. Cut out the backslapping and cocktail parties and camaraderie with these snakes. Report the ugly truth.
Was Gregory asked about his purported role in the leaking of Valerie Plame’s identity? Was he asked whether in fact Ari Fleischer leaked the information to him in Africa in July 2003?
Been watching David Gregory for a while now. Have come to the considered conclusion that he’s a nice guy.
Not exactly an insult, but in his position not a compliment either.
Gregory seems like he enjoys doing a little baiting during pressers, but after that little exersize in weenie wrangling is over he’s more than happy to offer up bland and relatively uncritical bromides in order to maintain the status quo.
David Shuster on the otherhand should be given a weekly show of investigative reports on MSNBC.
-GSD
These ‘journalists’ also fail to realize that this period of history is going to be far more accurately documented than any which preceded it, and their names shall be shamed forevermore, as well, being the enablers and perpetuators of this administrative travesty.
Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that these are two comfortable, immensely self-satisfied guys who have learned the great secret of American journalism in the present age. It is enough to see the trees, don’t bother about the forest. And they don’t.
Well put. My head explodes everytime one of these bobbleheads comes on and implicitly equates “information” with “knowledge,” or even worse, “wisdom.”
It is the casual attitude that there is nothing particularly extraordinary about the Bush Presidency. The largest terrorist attack in our history, a ginned up, unnecessary war, allowing New Orleans and New Orleanians to drown, the constant drumbeat of assaults on the Constitution and our rights, the trashing of basic beliefs like those that prohibit torture, and none, none of these things has the slightest effect on them and how they view and report Bush and the news. Fatuous, complaisant, co-opted, oblivious, I don’t know how to describe it.
I was reading Glenn Greenwald this morning and he had a long piece on John Harris and the Politico in which he expresses similar frustration.
Gregory is just lie every other lazy reporter. It’s too haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard to go after the truth, when you can just regurgitate press releases.
It’s important to remember reporters are no longer truth-seekers, they’re just stenographers. Most of them wouldn’t know research from paper birch.
I remember a quote from Richard Wolfe after the big “slam-a-blog” where he claimed (about us) “They want us to be ideologues.”
Richard, were Woodward and Bernstein ideologues when they went after the Watergate story?
We want reportage that challenges the fucking BULLSHIT that ASSHOLES like Tony Snow spew. I’m sorry, in a “wouldn’t wish that on anyone” kind of way, that ol’ Tony’s probably on the clock for the Astral Plane, but I can’t say I’m going to miss him much. I wouldn’t miss Gregory, Wolfe, Carlson, Tweety, TIMMAY, Carville, Begala, or many others either. They just keep sucking up at the Bushco tits and it makes me want to PUKE.
Don’t EVEN get me started on Andrea Mitchell.
We need reporters with courage and guts who are willing to pursue the truth , without regard for whether they get invited to beltway parties.
[CHS notes: The mods and I appreciate that you added the “wouldn’t wish that on anyone” part, because you are correct — we wouldn’t wish that on anyone.]
newspaperbrat @
14
And it wasn’t so long ago that Gregory was giving SnowJob a hard time. Has he figured it’s better to get along now? Newspapers and the nightly news wonder why they are losing readers/viewers. It’s because they suck. They are not the 4th Estate anymore. They aren’t much more than SnowJob’s PR assistants.
Adam Friedman @
16
There are other things Maher doesn’t get. Some of his comments are so spot on, but others sound like Coulter or Malkin outtakes.
His performances on Countdown have been particularly problematic. I think he’s jealous.
GSD,
I agree about David Shuster. Listening to one of his reports, always makes me wonder how they let him in the building. His straightforward news reporting sticks out like a sore thumb in the morass of cable news infotainment.
Hugh– here’s a Luckovich cartoon that Christy/Bob Geiger shared this morning that reminds me of your brilliant summation of this presidency:
“cronyism, corruption, criminality, and incompetence”
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con…..rseme.html
it could also refer to the media.
on topic, off topic, i dunno, but you should read this this piece at TPM about the Plame case.
Well,this is so well-put. I had hope for Gregory, but, yeah, seeing the performance w/ Rover pretty well cancelled that.
And GSD’s post downstairs about the D.C. interim U.S. Attorney losing a tax case big-time – and $100 million — because of bad(stupid, ignorant, inexperienced) drafting of a plea agreement is just — depressing. He cited the wrong statute.
I could’ve done better than that, and I would never have put my name in for U.S.A. they used to be seasoned, experienced lawyers with good judgment, plus some political savvy.
Oh yes (don’t have the link) – he came straight out of the Administration, with apparently no courtroom experience. Not much better than Sampson.
Sigh.
Good points, Hugh. Modern western journalism has sadly devolved into (to paraphrase Frank Zappa) a million people standing in shit up to their chin yelling, “DONT MAKE A WAVE!”.
The examples of what happens to those who report uncomfortable truths are etched finely into the minds of those who might dare to follow, and the lucrative opportunities for those who elect to dabble in happy chat or useful foolery on behalf of corporate interests are highlighted as the only acceptable alternative to impartial honesty within a narrowing status quo.
Gregory is a “wannabee” to the nth degree. If this is possible, he blows with the political wind more than Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton. Gregory can’t figure out where he fits at NBC or anywhere for that matter. He is a pathetic prostitute of the corporate media who shouldn’t ever be mentioned in the context of objective and investigative journalism. Perhaps he may be under consideration for White House press secretary. He seems to have the credentials for this.
egregious @
9
Got secrets, Egregious?
Josh over at TPM has this at the bottom of his post on the campaign against Syria:
Elliot is a Bushie!
angie @ 30
That’s so funny. There must be something in the air today that’s bringing all this out.
Modern TV Reporters are either auditioning for a spot on Fox News or auditioning to keep their spot on Fox News.
gregory lost to me with the rove boogy…that is not redeemable.
rap as gooper blackface.
when you sup with the devil, bring a long spoon–inherit the wind—or maybe somewhere else, too.
Wonkette
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Howard Feinmann on Olberman last night was talking like he got the connections between Rove’s abuses of gov’t resources (DOJ, GSA in particular) and Rove’s goal to create the permanent Republican majority.
He looked like a guy who has been wanting to say this for a long time, and maybe the wind is changing so he can.
Not apologizing for the MSM, or expecting too much of it, but maybe there is a chance they are regrowing cojones.
Omigod: Dana Perino, one of our Mass Comm graduates, is stepping in for Tony Snow. Don’t remember if she was in my class in 1990 (which tells you something about one of us). She was prominent on campus, but it’s a relatively small school (around 4,000 students).
Where did we go wrong?
Personally, I think the MSM purposely higher really dumb people who can’t think to save their lives, but who are very photogenic, which makes me wonder how Charlie Rose got his job. Charlie is not good looking, and stopped thinking a number of years back. During the buildup to the war, he was salivating on his show, talking about the U.S.’s “awesome power”. He just kept repeating this phrase over and over again. He’s totally in with the Bush crowd.
Christy at 13. Thank you.
Terry Olson @ 35
If it is chess, it is one humongously long game. If we’re talking just about Gregory. How many years does it take to position oneself? How many years of back scratching others to what end? If Gregory does this long enough he will have done it his whole career and be ready to retire before his chess game is done. He may not be the top of the heap but he is the chief correspondent at a major network. If he is still so constrained that he can’t tell it like it is, perhaps he should find another line of work.
AZ Matt @ 36
One might say that Bush, in spite of his current ‘accidental President’ credentials is a “Bushie” to this Straussian NeoWar criminal.
While Junior was struggling with the subjective meanings of the Christian life in his modest summer villa after decades spent in hedonistic rapture, Abrams was covering up military massacres before breakfast.
albert fall @ 40
Probably not. Fineman was positively gleeful when Kerry made his “botched joke” right before the election. He was on Countdown that day, and had a smile nearly a mile wide. The tone in his voice was “yes, some good news for Republicans! Some good news for my king!”. Well, Fineman’s king didn’t get a reprieve.
Fineman will be back to his praise the king mode shortly…
Hugh –
Issue after issue they discussed without ever once stumbling upon its salient point.
You are one of the very best!
Gregory says all that, too, knowing that Cheney “controls the message” on his friend Timmy’s show, and the Gregory KNEW the President as lying about not knowing who was leaking Plame etc.
Bush being thoughtful must be the best kept secret in Washington.
The really sad underlying point – given what passes for thoughtful with todays reporters, he may actually believe that.
*sigh*
The south has no clout in Washington…thank goodness…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..hern-clout
Let’s not forget the nexus of coitus and corruption.
Cokie and Steve Roberts.
Mr. and Mrs. Alan Greenspin.
NBC’s Campbell Brown and CPA spindouche Dan Senor.
Judith Miller and Washington DC.
I also just found out that Margaret Carlson used to date Fred “Shut-up and act” Thompson.
-GSD
Bush being thoughtful…another whopper from the MSM…
I gave up on the MSM years ago…brilliant move on my part, I must say…
Just arrived at the lake. Who borrowed my favorite towel? *s* I caught snippets of DG and Hugh once again nails it. Charlie really lost any and all fact checking or serious questioning after his heart attack..jmho
He is now embarassing his once fair to midland reputation. Why are facts so damn irrelevant to so many? *sigh*
Another great MSM whopper…
“You don’t have to be smart to be president” David Gergen kept repeating that one…
The MSM like Bush so much because he’s a completely arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic asshole like they are….
Gergen recently stated that the Bush administration had been “remarkably free” of corruption.
Wow, that was a stunner.
-GSD
Remember when Bush said he read “3 Shakespeares”? And Rove and him were having a reading contest? The MSM had to know they were lying, but they said nothing. So, either they did believe him, or his blatant lying and the insulting of their intelligence is OK.
OT: ccmask from the travel thread this am, asking about the price of the trip to Milan, $3,800 for flight and 8 days hotel.
Two thoughts:
1) That price seems high. We have a flight to Amsterdam, and an apartment there for several days, for a lot less. If you are staying somewhere for a week, use http://www.vrbo.com to see if you cannot find an apartment, which is a lot more fun than a hotel. Use http://www.tripadvisor.com to get advice. Travelers congregate there, and we always use the site when we prepare to travel. My spouse comments there, and loves to talk about travel.
2) I am not that fond of Milan. It is a working city, not much of tourist interest there. It is hard to use as a base city because there is not much nearby. Can you get a hotel in Florence? It is a three hour train ride, has enormous tourist potential, which could easily consume a 1 week vacation. We lived there for two months in 2003, and just love it. There is an great ex-pat community there, you can get a toe in the door at St. James Church. If you wanted to fly into Milan, you could go there a day before your flight out, see the Last Supper, the Cathedral, and Victorian glass thing I cannot remember the name of in a few hours, and never have to go there again.
GSD @ 56
Yeah, forgot about that one…
I have a cat who can’t speak English, can’t read, can’t run a computer, but is more intelligent than the MSM.
My sentiments exactly. I don’t personally know any high-flying journalists –my world is high-flying academics — but I certainly have the impression that they are rich and lazy, and lucky to be where they are at the top of the journalistic pecking order. It has to be due to the dumbing down of TV news, which was a corporate decision; otherwise, these guys would never be where they are. It’s possible they might be good under a different regime, but the odds are that they have been selected for qualities that would not survive under honest journalism.
The world looks different when you’re rich, at least for a while. I know from experience.
Eliott Abrams is one of the original neocons. So inflaming the situation with Syria is unsurprising. One of his cohorts Robert Joseph recently quit at State because like John Bolton he had a hissy fit that Condi was actually trying diplomacy with North Korea instead of the usual threats and bluster. I didn’t know until yesterday when emptywheel said it that Joseph was the one responsible for inserting the 16 words into the 2002 SOTU. The point to all this being these guys keep turning up and when they do it’s always bad.
Hey Hugh, loved your post. I am a long, long time Rose watcher. And I do so like his interviews with artists, techies and even scientists. Which to me are close to a conversation you might hear over a dinner party. But his political guests are always staging their answers for their professional image. The conversations lack authenticity.
I saw that interview last night and agree with you. Did you see the the Novak interview a few weeks ago? Where Novak went all bug eyed and gasping called Armitidge a GOSSIP. Hysterical, but it was frustating because Rose had no new research on the info that had just come out at the Libby trial which would have made for an interesting interview. He let Novak which I’m guessing to be an old friend run the interview.
Also, Charlie was very very affected by 9/11 and it had a big impact on how he does political interviews. They changed.
I’ve followed your comments on Rose’s show in the comments for a while, so great to see a post on it.
GSD @ 54
It’s like saying the Chicago stockyards are remarkably free of bovine excrement.
;>)
Gregory lost me when I saw him cavorting on stage in that strange “MC Rove” video. He just seemed way too chummy with Rove et al.
darkblack @ 63
Or saying that the Chicago Cubs have a winning formula….
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 56
I kept thinking he meant 3 sonnets, so the claim was technically accurate.
That claim also made me think about Shakespeare’s quote about there being three kinds of great men: Those who are born great, those who achieve greatness, and those who have greatness thrust upon them. I think George W Bush may have achieved the rare trifecta of having a shot at all three, and blowing every single one of them.
Frank Probst @ 66
He blew all three, definitely. He could have had greatness after 9/11, if he really united the country, but he fucked that up, just like everything else he’s done in his life….
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 63
The ringing in one’s ears from the thunderous impact of jaws hitting the ground subsides quicker in that example
;>)
Janeane in #66 said:
“That claim also made me think about Shakespeare’s quote about there being three kinds of great men: Those who are born great, those who achieve greatness, and those who have greatness thrust upon them. I think George W Bush may have achieved the rare trifecta of having a shot at all three, and blowing every single one of them.”
As did Malvolio, who said that in Twelfth Night, revealing delusions of grandeur. Someone please take a photo when GW starts showing off his yellow stockings.
Marg @ 69
And to think, the MSM still love their king, despite the glaringly obvious truth that he’s the worst president in history.
Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that these are two comfortable, immensely self-satisfied guys who have learned the great secret of American journalism in the present age. It is enough to see the trees, don’t bother about the forest. And they don’t.
I think that they don’t even see the trees…just the knot-holes. Tiny little bits of nothing!
I like what Maher said recently on Larry King (and his own show), that the MSM’s great experiment at having a really dumb guy as president is an abysmal failure and it should never be taken on again. Maher also said that it was a good thing that George Allen (former R-Virginia) lost, because the MSM and the GOP were grooming him for the new spot. He was even called George W. Bush II by some in the MSM….
masaccio @ 56
tripadvisor.com is excellent! I’ve been using it for about 10 years to read customer reviews of resorts in Cozumel (where else? ; ) before I book a trip. I comment there as well.
Late coming to the thread. I liked your post, Hugh.
What I find particularly loathsome is the “happy talk” prevalent among the anchors in both cable and broadcast news. This practice emerged in the early 1980s at WABC (Channel 7) in NYC to make news “viewer friendly” for consumers, and then spread like a virus throughout local and national electronic MSM.
I think Gregory doesn’t want to give anyone quotes that could be interpreted as evidence of an agenda. Objective reporter asking tough questions and all that.
It’s old school but it was a good school.
I often wonder why reporters like that are asked on to political shows asking for their opinions when those folks just want to report on the specific facts they know. They are the anti-pundits.
Good news about Jane. Scallops for dinner? Hm hm.
Jane: Much love.
Charlie Rose is the biggest brown nosing, name dropping syncophant on teevee. I pretty much stopped watching him during the dot com boom when he slavered over every internet con man he could find. And he just loves to pepper his interviews w/ reminders of what freinds he is w ‘Sumner’ (redstone) and Jeff (Bezos) and on and on. But all of that pales in comparision to the way he paraded the cheerleeders for bush and the war in 02/03. He had friedman on constantly. May they be bunkmates in hell.
mr guitar playing Bastard..( what a handle )
I can understand your frustration and concern about the MSM reporting.
I have some conflicted views though..
I want my reporters to report and my analyst to analyze the news..
That means if the Bush WH is spewing pure crap..report it..don’t color it with your views. You are a poorly paid professional reporter..just do your job.
Now..I depend on the smart discernments of the professional news analysts and opinion makers.
I remember Nixon spouting crap like the Silent majority and the media reported it…but they also reported us demonstrating at colleges and in DC. Silent Majority??? Hey Nixon..Hey Bush. Open your window dough-heads..We are yelling here!! get out of Nam!! and get the hell out of Iraq!!
Flipped over to Rose interview during “House” (the stupid dr. show) commercials. As dumb as House is, Rose/Gregory were worse. Zero, absolute zero, command of the obvious. And the line about how thoughtful W is (sorry to say I personally heard that one) made me scream at the TV. It would be hard to take Gregory seriously after that boner. I agree with your analysis that this results from the desire of MSM sorts to be members of what we used to call ‘the beautiful people,’ though in this context it should be called ‘the powerful people.’ Gregory’s body language said it all-smirk, smirk, smirk. I’m-on-the-inside-and-that-makes-me-better-than-you-are.
The only thing that makes me hopeful is that the MSM are putting themselves out of business. Fewer readers, fewer viewers. And it seems that the detrioration is a downward spiral. Perhaps it stems from the fact that the lower they go, the less they can attract real talent. Or from the fact that they can’t face their dismal futures and thus use denial as a coping technique. They do seem to become more haughty by the day.
Charlie Rose and David Gregory just can’t see the truth…yeah right…double wallet guys?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O…..a_contacts
Speaking of “thoughtful,” Hugh, yours is one of the more thoughtful considerations of American pseudo-journalism which I have seen. Thank you. I would add another dimension to what you have written: If you notice, the “journalists” are far more specific regarding Democratic misdeeds and seem not to be afraid about digging deeper when it comes to ferreting out incompetent and corrupt Democratic politicians. To me this signifies that these journalists are republics, if not in fact, then surely in spirit.
I was looking at a story in the LA Times, when I walked past the rack at the grocery this morning, that was about Shrub not shunning his rejected nominees. (Apparently he’s doing recess appointments for some of them who couldn’t get through the Senate legitimately. We have work to do, again.) My first thought after that was ‘George, what part of ‘No!’ do you not understand?’
eCAHNomics @ 78
They are losing their readership, because of content, not style. Why do they think people go to blogs? We’re just a bunch of anti-social, angry leftists, that’s it!
The MSM does have a “superior than thou” attitude. That’s probably another underlying reason they love Bush and Lieberman so much…
I thought it was quite telling that Rove joked about mutilating small animals.
Quite telling indeed.
Mr. small animal mutilator works for a man who mocks those on death row and who was once a frog blower-upper as a child.
Crawford Caligua’s indeed, sociopaths to the core.
All to the cheers, laughter and glee of the beltway punditocracy too.
-GSD
Is this photo of Karl Rove in Chattanooga photoshopped? The accompanying article, about the gwb43 domain name, apparently isn’t treating it like it is fake.
One example of how the media have fallen down in doing their jobs is the Iraq supplemental.
The first storyline they pushed was that Pelosi was a wimp and couldn’t get her own side together.
The second line was that benchmarks would never survive in the Senate version.
The third is that Bush will veto it and that the Congress unable to override a Presidential veto will automatically have to strip out the benchmarks.
All during this process the media have frequently referred to the Democrats’ attempt to defund the troops and the war. Only recently have a few reported that well, the Democratic supplemental in fact does fund the troops. Absent from the discussion is the fact that Republicans in both the House (198) and in the Senate (46) have voted against the funding in the supplemental. There have been no stories on why Republicans hate our troops whereas there would have been a plethora of them if the situation had been reversed with Democrats voting against a funding bill.
Another aspect left out of early stories on this was that this bill was destined for a conference committee. Because benchmarks appear in both House and Senate versions, they will remain in the final bill, but even if they had been absent in the Senate version they could still have been added back in by conferees.
The final aspect of the supplemental that the media shorts in its coverage is that this is an appropriations bill, a must pass piece of legislation. Republicans can’t torpedo it and then just walk away as they did with the earlier toothless Senate resolutions. Some version of the supplemental has to become law because at some point May, June, or July the military will run out of money. What reporters fail to recognize is that even if Bush vetoes this supplemental he will have to sign another at some point. So it is perfectly conceivable that Bush vetoes the first supplemental, the Congress makes cosmetic changes and repasses it. What is Bush going to do then? Veto again? Even though such a veto would endanger the troops? Who would be blamed?
What the media fail to take into account is that it is the Democratic supplemental that does the two things Americans want: fund the troops and show us the way out of Iraq. What does Bush have to offer? More war.
Again why are the media not covering this aspect of the story? Why do they act like they don’t know how a bill becomes law? Why do they ignore the polls that show the vast majority of Americans side with the Democrats on this? Why are they not doing their jobs?
What Bush has achieved brings to mind one of the themes of shakespeare’s tetralogy ( the eight history plays). Order spiraling into chaos, the end-point represented by Richard III, the bunchback toad, the boar. Wish Bush was as harmless as Malvolio though perhaps he’ll end up in a darkroom, judged, discredited and driven out…..
{{{{Jane}}}}}!
Just never forget that all of electronic MSM is under the aegis of multinational corporations:
CBS: Viacom
NBC: General Electric
ABC: Disney
MSNBC: NBC: GE
CNN: TimeWarner
Fox: NewsCorp
In the movie “For Your Consideration” the send up of Rose was perfect.
Possibly the worst example of his behavior was an interview with Edwin Schlossberg -Rose never let him finish a sentence. That was the last time I watched.
As for Gregory, he enjoys the humor(sic) of Don Imus.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @
54
He should know given his time in the Ray-guns admin. As well as (iirc) Nixon, Ford, Bush 1, and Clinton…
Hugh, #86, the MSM don’t have time to research on how a bill is passed, and they don’t want to be bothered on public opinion polls that go against their king’s wishes.
Up until the November elections, the MSM kept running pro-GOP pieces. The quagmire of the Iraq war was good for Bush, remember? The leaking of a CIA operative was good for Bush, too…
I’m surprised I didn’t hear anyone say on election night “tonight is really bad for the Democrats. Winning this election is the worst thing that could have ever happened to them”…
Thanks for the post, Hugh. I think, though we on the left have been talking about the fact that the media have let us down, I don’t think we analyze it as far as it needs to go.
What good is the blogosphere alone when most of America is not a part of it?
I don’t know about you, but most of the people in my life are not umbilically attached to a computer like I am. The majority of Americans do not get their information from the Internet. Most folks manage America Online, and that’s the extent of their computer use. Even many people who use a computer all day long at work don’t come home and go onto the computer – they’ve spent enough time on it at work. And with our economy shipwrecked by the Pirate-in-Chief, most people work longer hours than ever before, many with more than one job (how ‘uniquely American’) and still deal with home, kids, or elderly parents on top of this – sometimes all three.
And when they come home, they turn on the Channel 7 news. Or read the newspaper. They don’t go to FDL or Raw Story or Buzzflash. And the mainstream news outlets are abnegating their responsibility to these people. Whether it’s from fear or from laziness, from the publishers on down, the major media have abandoned not only the obligation but the privilege of telling the independent truth to America. The Fourth Estate has the honor and civic duty of defending America’s freedom by telling the truth, by digging below the surface and between the lines of what it hears. If it takes everything disseminated by the Administration (any Administration, not just this one) at face value, and merely repeats what it’s told by the powers-that-be, then it ceases to be journalism and becomes propaganda. And that’s criminally negligent, as far as I’m concerned. You are actively injuring American freedom when you become a mouthpiece.
Sure, it’s easy to say to Americans, “Get informed! Go on the Internet! Look it up for yourself!” But the sad truth is, most people don’t have the time or energy to do that. Yes, the people have an obligation to pay attention to what’s going on in the country. But if real, unbiased information is too difficult to find, it’s not fair to expect all Americans to become computer sleuths in addition to everything else.
In order to stay informed, we are having to become investigative journalists ourselves. And today’s world is so complex and multi-faceted that it is a full-time job just to separate the sh** from the Shinola, so to speak. Journalism is a profession, or it used to be. One aspect of a profession is a matter of trust. If you go to a doctor or a lawyer, you are putting your trust in them, since we all can’t spend years in med school or law school. You are literally putting your life into their hands. And we put the life of our democracy in the hands of our press.
dakine01 @ 90
The only Democrat Gergen ever worked for was one who was the 1st DLC Democrat, that speaks volumes….
“In short, they don’t see the obvious around them because they don’t want to see it, they don’t want to know. They don’t want to rock the boats of the powerful because they are mortally afraid the powerful will rock theirs.”
Obviously “they” don’t see the boat is sinking fast too because more and more people are seeing the media with a different perspective.
When I look at any possible truth these days I look for who is telling it and if they have anything to gain from it.
The way they…just…miss it reminds me of the terrifying portraits by A.J. Liebling (The Road Back to Paris) of the French generals along the Maginot Line, fussing over their cuisine and mouthing stupidities while the Nazis were about to run right over them. Liebling, who loved France, was in a mighty rage with them. Liebling said “Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one,” which strikes me as a great way to explain what blogs (especially this one) are doing.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 93
And Gergen was incredibly castigated by the Reich wingers as a traitor for working for Clinton
angie @
31
Good cartoon — but reading the comments posted underneath is a very, very scary experience. The level of vicious hatred out there, totally disconnected from reality, is truly frightening.
dakine01 @ 96
Clinton was the best Democratic president the GOP ever had, too.
Capital J @ 97
Good cartoon — but reading the comments posted underneath is a very, very scary experience. The level of vicious hatred out there, totally disconnected from reality, is truly frightening.
But the poll below it is interesting.
Capital J @ 97
Good cartoon — but reading the comments posted underneath is a very, very scary experience. The level of vicious hatred out there, totally disconnected from reality, is truly frightening.
But it’s us Angry Liberal Bloggers who are the threat to
civility in America. So say Dean Broder and Bobo Brooks.
Albert Fall @ 42, I believe that was Jonathan Alter on Countdown. He is no Bush groupie; Fineman is.
Sally @ 101
Alter isn’t great, but he doesn’t worship Bush.
Fineman does….
david baerwald @
8
Special brownies?
I meant Fineman worships Bush, and Fineman isn’t great.
Biodun @
88
And, collectively (including MSM print venues) they largely constitute a present-day Pravda, an aggregate outsourced Ministry of Information.
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Guitar_Playing_Bastard @21:
“We need reporters with courage and guts who are willing to pursue the truth , without regard for whether they get invited to beltway parties….”
Maybe you missed the memo sent out to the top 1%-ers: “We are not to mingle with the masses, stay within our gated communities and by no means divulge any of our means for maintaining our privilege.”
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 104
I agree about Fineman. But KO has him on all the time, and seems to humor him. You think Keith is just making an ass out of Fineman?
Ineffective…yes. But they are oh so much more than simply that (wonderful post, BTW)! Their laziness is criminal. Their courage is non-existent. Watching Gregory dance with Rove disturbed me tremendously (if you dance with Satan himself, then you label yourself a true minion). He is nothing but a Rethug tool, and I wouldn’t be as kind as the author in dscribing him.
In short, they don’t see the obvious around them because they don’t want to see it, they don’t want to know. They don’t want to rock the boats of the powerful because they are mortally afraid the powerful will rock theirs. Journalism has become not a den of muckrakers but a refuge for the Sergeant Schultzes of this world. They go along to get along. They have learned the secret to success is to be ineffective. And how very, very successful they are.
Spot on. There’s an analogy, oddly enough, with what happened with the rock music of the sixties. When it was seen as a powerful social force but confined to outsiders, a lot of us thought, “Wow, if the people who love this music ever become the powerful ones, it will change everything.” Wrong. When those people became powerful, they just gave up their ideals. (Mick Jagger was once thought of as a revolutionary!)
All the President’s Men was the beginning of the end for journalists as a force for change inside the Beltway, because they fell in love with their own reputations.
MSNBC: ge and MICROSOFT
SLATE: MICROSOFT
New thread, Blue America.
Blue America: Rep. Jerry McNerney, Congressman at the Corner
Blue America with Rep. McNerney is upstairs.
Feel free to continue off topic conversations on this thread.
In this week’s Time Magazine, there was not one word about the Attorneys scandal, not one.
I guess Jim Carney is still pissed off at Josh Marshall for making him look a complete asshole. Carney is the managing editor of Time, and he initially said that the attorney scandal was nothing but “left wing bloggers’ conspiracy and paranoia”….
He’s apologised since, but it was a reluctant apology…
New thread upstairs.
GSD @ 84
In his youth, W put firecrackers into frogs. Didn’t I read somewhere that mutiliation of animals is an important signal of sociopaths?
Alicia #92,
I agree. The media have abdicated and we have to take over their functions, and no it isn’t easy and it is time consuming. Sites like fdl are important because they replace much of the analysis, fact checking, and accountability that we all thought the media were doing until we realized they weren’t. Most people can’t do it all but working together cooperatively we can. It’s a slow process but I think in the future it will become the norm to scan through several sites to see what’s going on, just as it used to be the case that we would leaf through the newspaper and Time or Newsweek.
Late arrival and someone’s probably already noted this obvious point.
The biggest story since the closing months of World War II is the overall story of the Bush administration.
The story has been right there and all too obvious but it’s been missed.
An incredible number of chapters for future historians and at least a couple of those chapters will be about the clueless press.
They are totally oblivious to the fact that Bush is angling for the spot of worst President in our 200 year plus history, that the Iraq war (4 years and counting) is a failure, and that the hallmarks of the Bush Presidency are cronyism, corruption, criminality, and incompetence.
See this is where I do not agree. These people know damn well that bush is the worse president this country has ever had to endure. They just don’t give a shit. It doesn’t affect them. They have no skin in the game in Iraq or Afghanistan, and their pockets are lined by corporate wellfare showered upon their vile employers. History will recognize these people as playing a role in the destruction of democracy. I flame them with the heat of ten million hot suns.
Biodun @ 107
I agree about Fineman. But KO has him on all the time, and seems to humor him. You think Keith is just making an ass out of Fineman?
I think Keith is making an ass out of him. Keith is really smart, and I think it amuses him to make fun of morons like Fineman. I remember Fineman was on after Kerry’s “botched joke” and Fineman was positively gleeful. Huge ass smile, because he was thinking “finally, some good news for Bush! Good news for the GOP!”….
eyesonthestreet @ 110
No – I believe MSFT downloaded Slate to the Washington Post Co., owner of the ComPost, Newsweek and other fine publications.
This here says it all:
My bold.
Coriolanus @ 87–
and humiliated. Or does have it in him?
Great Post Hugh and excellent comments.
Did anyone else hear William Herbert this morning on NPR’s BBC report re: Stem Cell research as it relates to religion?
It seems that according to expert board member Herbert who studied medicine AND theology, pain and suffering are a good thing and we should all just live (or die) with them.
Even though stem cells can produce viable human organs that can be grown in mice, harvested and transplanted into humans, there is no way to draw the line and therefore such actions should be stopped because they destroy human embryos.
More intellectual dishonesty courtesy of the MSM. Nobody ever mentions a word about fertility clinics and what happens to the frozen embryos that they keep (or discard after they get freezer burned) that are not implanted.
Can’t get through on McNerny thread. bad tubes or Rovenesia?
[Modnote: refresh, all should be well]
Biodun @
88
Good stuff. Orwell warned us!
This list should be virally distributed throughout the Internet. (Minor editing needed since NBC:GE is listed twice.) We need a similar list for the print media and radio.
Alicia @92,
I spend a large part of my time creating my favorite blog list and emailing it around to everyone I know. People are knocked out when they see the huge difference between “the news” (not) and what fine research/real news appears every day on blogs like Firedoglake.
Hugh’s piece today is spot on. Biodun@88 clearly lists the reasons for the tendency of well-paid syncophants to SKIRT hard news. Corporate greed and power. But we’re the consumers of record who made the corporations wealthy. David Schuster, as GSD@23 noted, is the real deal.Any show with his segment gains it’s street cred. I particularly refer to that empty suit Chris Matthews. Thank God for Keith Olbermann.
hackworth @ 123:
iirc: A recent medical discovery has stem cells in placentas, which are usually discarded. It may be that that this discovery hasn’t been ratified as yet. But it should silent the “controversial” debate about stem cell research once and for all.
EPU’ing myself, but thanks, Hugh. I’m SPOTLIGHTing this post to Gregory — very disappointed in him. He has the potential to be great, but sucking up and refusing to stay at arm’s length is corrupting his possibilities.
Filling in on The Today Show makes him fluffy enough as it is, but to entertain an audience with one of the biggest racketeers in history? Disgusting.
Hugh, I just read your thoughtful and important post, and although I haven’t had a chance to read all the comments yet, I had to make this comment. I agree with all that you said, except for one thing: I don’t think that they can’t see the forest for the trees. I think that the forest is so vast that it’s too much for them. They can’t see the individual trees. They don’t seem to be able to distinguish a oak from a maple, much less to determine the fact that there are parasites growing on the trees that are about to destroy the forest. So what if this administration is pissing all over the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! So what if incompetence and corruption are running rampant due to cronyism; these are patronage jobs, after all. Everybody does it. So what if the President wants to make fun of me and call me “Stretch.” At least he recognizes me and knows my nickname. Heaven forbid someone should accuse me of being a (horrified look) Democrat! I could lose my access. There are no long term consequences, we will go on business as usual. This is exactly what is wrong with journalism today.
Jo-Ann @ 126
Jo-Ann, my hope is as our population ages and the Internet becomes more of a standard source of news, that more people will be comfortable with using it to get their info.
I don’t see any way for traditional media to change its ways this late in the game. Considering the interests of their corporate sponsors and the paradigm of access-traded-for-spin, I can’t see a possibility of the major overhaul that would be necessary to get the MSM on track.
I’d love it if you could divorce news from ratings, because the airwaves are owned by the American people and the least these companies (who are making insane profits from them) could do would be to tell us the plain unvarnished truth in return for allowing them a gold mine of profits from our commons.
Mental Equinox @
105
And, collectively (including MSM print venues) they largely constitute a present-day Pravda, an aggregate outsourced Ministry of Information.
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Has there been any studies regarding how each one of those multinational corporations present a specific news broadcast on a comparative basis? Deviations?
Why are the “brand names” of the MSM so hacktackular? Follow the money.
In today’s corporate news biz, the prime directive is audience share, ad revenue and profit. It is not doggedly honest reporting and analysis.
As Paddy Chayefsky wrote in “Network,” which once was considered to be black commedy rather than documentary:
The erasure of nation-states, and their subsequent absorption by capital and technology (working for each other, like the two-headed Janus) is an age-old debate in academia and intellectual circles.
Capital and technology have both captured all of time, thereby creating the worst prison of all. Capital and technology completely control the flow and flux of products, people, and money throughout the world. Yes, it’s scary as hell.
Once upon a time there was quality, and profits followed
In a far, far different universe, there is only profit, nothing else mattered.
“More schnitzel herr Gregory?”
“Yes Herr Himmler thank you very much. And thank you oh so much for this interview.”
most everyone wants to “get along” …. except once in a while some need to put on a “show” …. like Arlen or Hagel or the psuedo-journalists, then after a few days life goes back to “normal”. It is just amazing that anyone with an ounce of brain would thing Bush is thoughtful. I guess it is in the corporate agenda to keep this going as is.
Biodun @ 127
And suddenly placentas are valued and respected and held sacred by ‘pro-lifers’ who, no, do not want to plant the placenta under a tree, but rather…………umm…..well, they’ll really have to figure something out won’t they?
S.O.S. from MA @ 7
good times. good times. i especially liked it when they did the skit with the naked Iraqui wearing a dog leash. oh wait…………sorry……that was real life….
allan_in_upstate @ 120
No – I believe MSFT downloaded Slate to the Washington Post Co., owner of the ComPost, Newsweek and other fine publications.
NOT REALLY, “Slate was launched in 1996 and has evolved alongside the internet, and today it carries advertising and is branded with Microsoft’s MSN identity. A condition of sale is that Slate remains affiliated with MSN – which itself posted its first profit in the first quarter of this year.”
from: http://digital-lifestyles.info…..ell-slate/
BUT LETS NOT QUIBBLE. Let’s just assume Microsoft “sold” an online magazine which made no profit, to a newspaper for some reason, not that they needed the money, but would want the reputation and traffic that that partnership would bring.
I would quibble about Newsweek being a “fine publication.” It’s as “fine” as “Time,” I suppose. They both have page after page of brightly colored splashy photos and not too taxing of reading. JMHO.
S.O.S. from MA @
7
But Gregory was so good at it and he looked like he was really enjoying himself. Didn’t anyone tell Rove not to have backup dancers there who make him look like a self-conscious oaf?
I sometimes wonder if weather forecasters have very large families so they can bring up lots of children to become journalists with the corporate media. Having been brought up in households where the parent is almost always wrong but gets paid all the same, they are ideal candidates!
Fanastic post, Hugh. Right on!
Charlie Rose is particularly negligent in posing as thoughtful, but never delivering the obvious conclusions. He’s approaching Jim Lehrer status.
Late to the party, but thanks, Hugh. Charlie Rose figures prominently in the Annals of Worthlessness. In all his many hour-long suckfests with Henry Kissinger, has he ever asked K about his risk of arrest abroad?
In one of Rose’s rare interviews with a true voice of dissent — an exception that proves the rule — he recently interviewed Harold Pinter and continually sputtered with incredulity when Pinter matter-of-factly said things like Bush and Blair should be tried in the Hague for mass murder. Rose waxed argumentative in a way you never see when he interviews, eg, Newtie.
About 10 years ago, The New Yorker ran a sweet satirical piece in which Rose interviews the Angel of Death and keeps interrupting Him in his obnoxious, signature manner. At the conclusion, AoD tells Rose He’ll be seeing him. I’d love to get my hands on that piece again.
I’ve always said that Charlie Rose should win the award for lamest interviewer witht he best possible format – and Gregory, you’re right, if there were any doubts as to his intelligence they vaporized last night.
OT – but really good news.
A great purulence is draining.
For forty years, the megacorps and their Rethug servants have fought to make 51% of
eligibleGOP-vetted registered voters dumb enough to give all the economic goodies to one per cent of the voters.Forty years ago we had pretty good school systems – that made it real hard for the GOP to make people dumb enough – or so misled – as to vote to hurt themselves at the bank.
For the ‘68 GOP, even against LBJ’s war they couldn’t have won without the votes of racist white males. Kevin Phillips called the combination “The Emerging Republican Majority”.
I call it overt appeals to Dixie racism.
This electoral carbuncle – swollen by white racist males and later females – invaded the body politic again in the ‘80 (welfare queen), ‘84 (ditto), and ‘88 (Willie Horton) elections. The pus welled up again for W in the 2000 and ‘04 votes.
That’s the executive branch.
In the legislative branch, the carriers of the Dixie plague are dying off. The US Congressional leadership is now almost wholly free of “Dixiecrat” representation.
Free at last.
I’m equating the voting majorities of Dixie and white Southern males / females with support for racism and social intolerance and inequallity ’cause over my lifetime, the most vociferous exponents of these values among elected officials came from the old Confederacy. These voicferous Dixie racists were elected – and repeatedly re-elected – by majorities of the white voters in their districts.
I also believe this generalization never described all Southerners. And many Northerners and “Westerners” are racists, with very racist communiites south and west of LA.
I can tell when I’m approaching those communities by the Dixie bumperstickers and flags I see on the area freeways.
In a cultural sense, I fully accept that small country towns throughout the culturally Southern US are filled with gracious amazing delightful people.
Yet something in the Old Confederacy’s political culture congeals evil rank public policy out of all those gracious places and towns.
No objection to the people – but the evil rank public policy of racial hatred, religious strife, familial violence, global aggression, economic oppression, degradation of labor, and hatred for science and intellectual freedom -
this “policy pus” the GOP’s Southern abscess oozes into our laws and agencies and public life is what I call Dixie politics and political values.
Good riddance to the Dixie pols, their moral abscesses, and the divisive tricks and values they used to fuck over Americans’ freedom, health and incomes for the last forty years.
Make room for our fellow citizens from the South.
Together with them, wherever we live, we know the nation’s big enough that we don’t have to hate each other ’cause of where we pray or where our families’ parents were from.
That tolerance is the small-town value my parents were raised with – and raised me with.
I don’t blame the old Dixie Congressmen for loving their gran’pappies.
But we grew hearing about Selma and Montgomery and Memphis – not Antietam and Pickett’s Charge.
Good riddance to Dixie political values. The Bushies ‘can have ‘em back.
Babs will love ‘em.
[*Prior to 1958, Ike was a “gimme” for the GOP, with no reference to economics.
Today the hate preachers wouldn’t allow him the nomination. Ike wrote FDR asking to be able to divorce Mamie and marry his (female) aide - the family values crowd wouldn’t let him through New Hampshire.]
Gregory and Rove = pablum. Those two drive me insane. I couldn’t watch much more than a few minutes. Charlie is like a man who reinvents the wheel every day. Have you ever heard Gregory on Imus? What a suck up! And everything is one big joke! Just like his cavorting with the devil. Way funny…NOT. It is creepy how anyone would willingly put himself on stage jerking off Rove and his reputation.
from #115
In his youth, W put firecrackers into frogs. Didn’t I read somewhere that mutiliation of animals is an important signal of sociopaths?
I think you’re referring to a study that looked for common character traits among serial killers. One of the three most common traits they identified was cruelty/torture/mutilation of animals. Another was juvenile bed wetting. The third was setting fires. It was an academic study; nothing inherently political. But the conclusion was that these abnormal behaviors were often present and could potentially be used to identify the likes of Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc..
oh, merde.
“communities south and west of LA” should be
“south and east of LA”
apologies to the apparently egaliatarian creatures of the Santa Monica Bay.
Throw Chris Matthews into that pile with Rose and Gregory, please.
Blue America is wrapping up, and there’s a new thread from looseheadprop:
Plenary Powers
S.O.S. from MA @
7
[Modnote: if you are going to use italics, please take care to close them, thanks.]
Gunga Djinn @ 147
Bush has had his hands in more deaths than all known Serial Killers combined. No doubt he would be quite proud of this, if asked.
wtlloyd @ 10
We see it. Why don’t they?
David Gregory has indeed been a disappointment-he continues to drink the “this all politics” KoolAid oblivious to the smoking ruins of a democracy all around him.
The horse race is the only thing that matters to the DC press corpse. The purpose, function, and integrity of our government matters nothing to them.
Don’t you think that modern journalists believe they should NOT report stories that will harm a sitting President, because it’s not their job to influence politics? My god, it would show anti-crook bias if they did an honest segment on Abu G! My theory isn’t even theoretical—the NYT admitted as much after the 2004 elections.
Now you say, “What about Clinton”? The answer is that in Clinton’s case, the press was reporting what Republicans said, and that’s AOK. The press wasn’t creating the call for impeachment (HAHAHA), they were just dutifully reporting the fact that he should be impeached.
Gregory has an ego the size of JeLo’s ass. I can’t stand him. David Shuster is great though—you know that he just loves digging into a story, regardless of political effect.
I’m sure he has a big ego, but his reporting is not subservient to it; in Gregory’s case, it’s all about him.
Isn’t Gregory married to Noron O’Donnell? It would explain alot….
Hugh :
Just really , really well said . That’s some good writing . Thanks .
Odd thing about Gregory, known as the only one to actually pick a public fight with Sta-Puft McClellan and yet gets cited all the friggin time for his inaccurate , boys-club narrative when he does the news.
Amazing that it took Gregory to ruin Katrina for the Admin and Plame a bit too , and it took Ed Henry ( d’uh, OK, boss…) to help us be rid of Novak on CNN . Unlikely heroes to whom we should attach little reverence.
Well here I am the sore thumb again.
I like Charlie Rose’s show – though he has disappointed me more than once – because he has people on that I dont see anywhere else.
I have learned a great deal watching so I cant go along with some of the negative posts above…though I can understand the beef the more thoughtful posters have. I dont know David Gregory’s work and dont particularly care what he thinks so whatever you guys say. I dont expect too much from the network people so I dont get too angry if they arent risk takers in their comments. People like Stanley Hoffmann can’t get published in the NY Times and he is brilliant.
I am wondering at a couple of things – first, is it really useful commentary to say Charlie is not attractive and thus it is suprising to have him on tv? If he were actually unattractive, and some would disagree with that, wouldnt it be a good thing? Like, maybe he was chosen for other reasons?
Secondly, blogs will not replace the MSM for me, but are more like consumer report guides to keep them on their toes. Josh Marshall posts original content and original stories/reports, but his site is pretty unique. Most just seem to link and either rave or bitch. Which is great – but isnt a replacement unless you want to live in an echo chamber like the Bushies. That kind of thing got us into the mess were in now so I dont recommend it. You can take Huffpo and drop it off a cliff for all I care. What an embarrassment.
Okay – back to my perch. I hope Jane is okay.
Happy Saturday night!
Well said Hugh. More like this.
How many reporters have gotten an email krove@GWB43.com and not asked, why are you not emailing me on .gov email? The circle is tight and close
Alicia @ 92
Alicia: great..great post.really insightful.
In a few years I believe you’ll reflect back on your words and consider them ‘out of date’.
The newscycle and technology in general is approaching light speed. Channel 7 and it’s brethren had better change with the times fast.
It’s exciting we think about how we will experience political views in 10 years hence..
Great post though….
angling to be worse (worst),what ever, president,hon he won that honor years ago!
angling to be worst predident, hon, he won that honor years ago. great post.
S.O.S. from MA @ 7
Yep, totally agree. I was undecided about him until that point. There is no way an unbiased reporter should be doing that. Imagine Jack Anderson in Gregory’s shoes….or Walter or Dan or Peter.
Once again the news media just being as honest as their conscience and their lofty positions will allow them to be. In the company of these people, the “MO” is ; to be in-charge of everything and responsible for nothing.
Keith Olberman is the only trained journalist on any kind of TV (the media most Americans prefer) to speak loudly and clearly in pointing the total lack of honor or integrity these people display.
These are two men who sound reasoned as long as you don’t look too closely at just how muddleheaded and intellectually lazy their thinking is. Neither gets the crux … Listening to them, I came to the conclusion that these are two comfortable, immensely self-satisfied guys who have learned the great secret of American journalism in the present age. It is enough to see the trees, don’t bother about the forest. And they don’t.
Amen! Amen!! Amen!!! As succinct an opinion as I’ve ever read on this topic. Thanks, Hugh.
Hugh @
26
None so blind as those who will not see.
No wonder Wacko&Co. get by with everything–nobody in MSM questions what the heck is going on–they just want to dance and rap and laugh with all the Big Shots. I thought the 4th Estate INVESTIGATED government crap as one safeguard for democracy. Keith Obermann is the only journalist that really knows how to or even cares to question things. How pathetic that he had to come from ESPN is show everyone else how real reporting is suppose to be. Keith–keep working away–I’m behind you.
These “journalists” socialize with the politicians they have to cover for the media. We, the people, are getting a diluted version of the news. There’s no more honor or honesty, there’s no professional distance — there’s just an endless succession of cocktail parties and events that they must get invited to. It’s a sad time for America!