
(This is an updated version of an old post of mine over at the old version of my blog; it lost all its formatting and links when Blogger switched formats. I decided that with all the talk of President Gore lately, it was time to revive and revisit it.)
Ever wonder how the last six-odd years might have gone, had all the votes been counted in 2000?
I'd like to think that they might have gone something like this…
December 1, 2000: After a night on the town and too much lobster in champagne sauce, Sandra Day O'Connor has a horrifically vivid dream of how the ascension of George W. Bush to the Oval Office would mean the destruction of the American economy, the senseless deaths of hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, the loss of American prestige both at home and abroad, and — worst of all — the utter dissolution of her beloved Republican Party as, upon being deserted by even the corporate media, it suffers a series of definitive electoral ass-kickings in 2006, 2008, and 2010 before giving up the ghost. She goes on to provide the swing vote that allows the Florida count to continue, thus guaranteeing that Al Gore's election is confirmed. Media pundits attack O'Connor so viciously that she decides to retire three weeks later.
January 20, 2001: Albert Arnold Gore, Jr., is sworn in as the forty-third President of the United States of America. His election is widely condemned in the press as illegitimate despite his solid majorities in both the popular and electoral votes, and despite his high approval ratings.
January – February, 2001: Not wanting to waste time trying to get his nominees past a hostile Republican Congress, and not feeling the need for much housecleaning in any event, Gore leaves in place his cabinet, as well as the entire national security team he inherited from the previous administration. He also continues the submarine watch that his predecessor Bill Clinton had set to electronically monitor the terrorist activities of Osama bin Laden and his group Al-Qaeda in their base in Afghanistan.
Even though Al-Qaeda has been linked to the failed 1993 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City, most media outlets choose to ignore this fact, preferring to refer to bin Laden merely as a "Saudi Arabian financier". Media pundits mock Gore for what they as his paranoiac "wag the dog" efforts to distract attention from various alleged scandals from his tenure as Vice President.
February through April, 2001: The members of the Republican Congress, with the US corporate media backing them up, start a barrage of conservative legislation — tax cuts for the rich, gutting environmental laws, et cetera — that they plan to browbeat Gore into signing. President Gore vetoes each bill and the vetoes are sustained. He is called "obstructionist" by Tucker Carlson, Robert Novak, and the spokespersons of the Heritage Foundation, the Club for Growth, and the American Nazi Party.
April 1, 2001: As part of the Republican Congress' campaign to sabotage the new President's legislative initiatives, former Reagan and Bush administration officials Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz are called forth from their corporate boards to attack Gore's request that Congress move to pass laws freezing Osama bin Laden's assets. Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz, who are all members of a shadowy group known as the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), accuse Gore of ignoring what they claim is a grave threat emanating from Iraq's Saddam Hussein in favor of "casting aspersions against a respected member of the worldwide financial community", meaning bin Laden.
April 5, 2001: Scandal-plagued Louis Freeh, a Republican judge who Bill Clinton had appointed as FBI Director as an olive branch to the GOP, abruptly resigns from office before he could be fired. In return for Gore's not charging him with any crimes, the Republican Congress allows Gore's nominee, former Georgia Senator Sam Nunn, to replace Freeh at the cost of only a week's worth of haranguing on the Senate floor.
May 5, 2001: National Security chief Sandy Berger, at the urging of his staffers John O'Neill and Richard Clarke, presents President Gore with a PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) warning of imminent plans by bin Laden to attack New York, America's financial center, with hijacked commercial jets used as flying bombs. The suspicion is that Al-Qaeda will try to succeed where they had failed eight years earlier and attack the World Trade Center. Gore consults with former Senators Gary Hart (D-CO) and Warren Rudman (R-NH), who chaired a terrorism commission formed by President Clinton in the late 1990s; they concur with the PDB's findings.
May 6, 2001: In response to the May 5 PDB, Gore orders the FAA to implement the proposals made by his 1996 commission on airport security, but which the Democratic party had backed away from after the airlines had protested. Northwest and Delta Airlines further weaken their precarious financial states by buying millions of dollars of radio ads depicting the new procedures as wasteful and costly to the air traveler. Gore, per O'Neill's and Clarke's recommendations, also orders the FAA to watch for Middle Eastern students at flight schools who are interested only in steering planes, not in performing takeoffs or landings. On his syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh proclaims that "Crazy Al Gore is out to kill off the airline industry!"
June 1, 2001: Republican Senators James Jeffords and Lincoln Chaffee, disgusted with the demagoguery of the GOP, switch parties and become Independents who inhabit the Democratic Senate Caucus. This throws control of the Senate into Democratic hands.
June 5, 2001: Jobless numbers for the month of April fall by 300,000, continuing a strong pattern of job growth that Gore inherited from Clinton. New numbers from the Office of Management and Budget indicate that Gore's fiscal policies are paying down the Federal debt faster than predicted. Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan, noting that the soft economic landing of 1999 and 2000 had been followed by the dramatic rise of the stock market in the first months of the Gore term, warns yet again to beware of "irrational exuberance".
July 10, 2001: Kenneth Williams, an 11-year veteran of the counter-terrorism squad of the FBI in Phoenix, notifies FBI Headquarters that several Saudi, Algerian, United Arab Emirates and Pakistani flight school students in his area could be followers of Osama bin Laden, and that they might be terrorists learning how to fly so that they could hijack a passenger plane. After interrogating several of them and noting their hostility to the United States, he recognized that these students were suspiciously well informed about security measures at American airports. He suggested that the FBI conduct a nationwide survey of Arab students who were attending American flight schools; Director Nunn, after consulting with Sandy Berger, agrees.
August 10, 2001: Coleen Rowley, an FBI agent in the Bureau's Minneapolis offices, is contacted by John Rosengren of the Pan Am International Flight Academy in Eagan, Minnesota. Rosengren informs her that a student at the academy is not interested in learning takeoffs or landings. Rowley investigates the man's background, and discovers through French intelligence services that the student, Moroccan-born French and British resident Zacharias Moussaoui, has connections to Al-Qaeda. She orders his arrest and informs her superiors of her findings, which are passed on to Berger, O'Neil and Clarke.
August 13, 2001: Moussaoui, under FBI questioning, reveals key details of an Al-Qaeda plot scheduled for next month to attack the Pentagon, the White House and the World Trade Center. These details are corroborated by the testimony of the students Williams had interviewed in Phoenix a month earlier.
August – early September, 2001: Dozens of students at flight schools are arrested in a major FBI operation. Thirteen of these students turn out to be directly involved in what will come to be called "the September Plot".
September 11, 2001: At the Houston, LAX and Minneapolis International airports, seven Saudi and Algerian men were forbidden from boarding their flights after airport security personnel found box cutters, wire and other banned items on their persons. These men turn out to be the remnants of the band of Al-Qaeda's September Plotters; all the others had been caught in the FBI's sweep of the flight schools.
Armed with this evidence, Gore demands and gets Congressional authorization to send US troops to Afghanistan. MSNBC's Joe Scarborough ridicules the idea that "idiots with box cutters" could take over an airliner. Rush Limbaugh claims that "Gore is sending our young men and women off on a wild goose chase." Bill O'Reilly, William Kristol, and Ann Coulter demand that Gore invade Iraq, even though none of the would-be hijackers is Iraqi or has any connection to Iraq or to Saddam Hussein.
September 12, 2001: UN Secretary General Kofi Annan agrees to a call by Madeline Albright, US Ambassdor to the UN, for an international force to enter Afghanistan to root out Al-Qaeda. France and Britain, whose intelligence services have worked closely with US intelligence agencies, strongly back the Gore Administration's position as copious evidence of planned Al-Qaeda attacks in Europe has come to light. To buttress further the case for invasion, well-documented human rights abuses committed by Afghanistan's Taliban government, which is allied with Al-Qaeda, are brought forth as evidence.
PNAC's Donald Rumsfeld, while taking care not to seem to oppose the planned intervention in Afghanistan, goes onto Rush Limbaugh's radio program to complain that even though Afghanistan's terrain is ruggedly mountainous and therefore has proved to be historically less vulnerable to aerial attacks than other, flatter nations, recent developments in high-tech weaponry mean that the US need not send quite so many troops Kabul's way — and besides, the real problem is in Iraq!
September 16, 2001: 150,000 UN-led troops, 100,000 of whom are US forces, leave for Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein, who as a secularist Muslim leader despises Osama bin Laden and is in any event eager to get back in the world's good graces, assists in setting up staging areas in Iraq for the UN. In Teheran, Iran's moderate leadership, which needs the help of the world community in beating back the conservative mullahs, agrees to let UN troops and planes pass through Iran unhindered.
November 8, 2001: The first battle of the Al-Qaeda War is started.
November 18, 2001: Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants are killed at Tora Bora after a weeklong battle. Afghanistan's Taliban government, backed against a wall, agrees to step down; the UN troops will remain in Afghanistan until a civilian government is formed. This ends the Al-Qaeda War.
President Gore and the UN announce a New Marshall Plan for Afghanistan. Aid and aid workers, protected by the large troop presence, flow into the country. On NBC's Meet the Press, PNAC's Dick Cheney, while applauding the death of bin Laden and the destruction of Al-Qaeda, complains that by allowing Iraq and Iran to assist in the effort, President Gore "has weakened America's moral authority".
November 26, 2001: Federal charges are brought against Kenneth Lay and other employees of the energy giant Enron over seven deaths that occurred in California over the summer due to heat stroke. The victims, all of whom lived in parts of California which had privatized their power utilities, had stopped paying their electric bills when the charges topped $20,000 per month apiece due to deliberate and illegal price and supply manipulations by Enron and other private energy firms. MSNBC's Chris Matthews accuses the Federal government of overreaching; FOX's Sean Hannity claims that "Enron is being punished by the Socialist Al Gore for daring to prove that capitalism works."
December 4, 2001: The investigation into Enron's price manipulation reveals that, far from being a titanic moneymaker, Enron and its accounting firm Arthur Andersen relied on heavily-cooked books to create what one Enron employee would later describe as "illusory profits". Enron, which was the darling of the pro-privatization movement and which employed several prominent Republican military-industrial complex activists such as Thomas White, promptly collapses in a flurry of lawsuits.
January 22, 2002: President Gore in his State of the Union speech informs the American people that the nation is more prosperous than ever, and that more Americans than ever before are sharing in that prosperity. Gore also touts the success in foiling the September Plot and in tracking down and punishing "despoilers of the public trust" such as the crooks behind Enron.
He also announces a plan, based on the one implemented in Vermont by Governor Howard Dean, to bring universal health care to Americans under the age of eighteen, and affordable health care to all adult Americans. This plan, created with assistance from Gore's Vice President, Joe Lieberman, relies on strengthening the existing health insurance programs run by the states and uniting them into one cooperative network. Republican Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott calls the
plan "yet another example of Democrats trying the same old kinds of failed government programs." Private insurance companies immediately start a multi-million-dollar TV and radio ad campaign denouncing the plan as "something that will destroy America's high standard of health care."
March 2, 2002: PNAC member and Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney is under investigation by a Federal grand jury for using shell companies to have oil dealings with Iran despite former President Clinton's 1996 Executive Order forbidding this. Fellow PNAC member Ahmad Chalabi, who is a convicted embezzler, denounces the action as "a naked attempt to silence a great humanitarian and his calls for a free Iraq." Cheney will eventually be convicted and be sentenced to ten years in prison, while his company Halliburton will pay a $500,000 fine.
May 1, 2002: The first troop withdrawals occur as a stable civil government is formed in Afghanistan, thanks to the New Marshall Plan and its emphasis on fixing the country's infrastructure.
November 5, 2002: The Miracle of 1998 — where for the first time in nearly two hundred years, the party of a sitting president gained seats in the second-term mid-term elections — is repeated, and the Democrats gain firm control of both Houses of Congress. Among the re-elected Democrats is Senator Paul Wellstone, who chose not to go on a charter flight one day before the plane he was to have taken crashed in a snowy field in northern Minnesota. Exit polling showed that American contentment with the continuing Clinton-era prosperity, combined with a successful fight against terror and the Enron and Cheney scandals, helped put the Democrats over the top. Religious-right leader Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation laments the "pervasive immorality" in American culture that fostered such a result.
January 20, 2003: In his State of the Union speech, President Gore welcomes the new Democratic Congress and states that his first order of business will be to ask that Congress to pass "The Eisenhower Plan", which reinstates the Eisenhower-era taxation levels on those making over $200,000 a year. The resulting increase in tax revenue will wipe out all of the National Debt within five years and enable, among other things, the financing of the proposed universal child health care plan. Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, reviving Newt Gingrich's 1993 anti-tax battle cry, claims that this will kill the American economy in six months if passed.
February 17-20, 2003: The Eisenhower Plan passes both Houses of Congress on party-line votes.
March 3-5, 2003: Gore's universal health care plan for children passes both Houses on party-line votes. Crossfire's Pat Buchanan decries this as "Socialism run amok."
April 5, 2003: Having waited for over two years for this moment, President Gore nominates renowned Constitutional scholar Lawrence Tribe to take Sandra Day O'Connor's spot on the Supreme Court. After two weeks of hearings, he is confirmed on a party-line vote. Dr. James Dobson states that "with the nation's highest court overrun by secular humanists, the End Times must be at hand."
May 9, 2003: The final US-led troops leave Afghanistan; a token UN peacekeeping force remains to safeguard the new schools for girls from the few remaining Taliban holdouts.
The General Accounting Office releases figures showing that the total cost of the Al-Qaeda War and the subsequent occupation and rebuilding of Afghanistan was $20 billion. Congressional Republicans raise a stink about the excessive cost; Gore informs them that if he had invaded Iraq, as they had wished, the cost would have been one hundred times that, both in money and lives.
January 23, 2004: In his State of the Union Address, President Gore describes the success of both the new Afghan government and the new universal child health care plan. Public opinion polls give him a 70% approval rating.
March 8, 2004: Backed with the assurance of continued Federal money from FEMA (which President Gore kept as a separate Cabinet-level agency despite calls from Republicans to abolish it), work on the repair of the levees of New Orleans is accelerated.
September 7, 2004: Levee repairs and strengthening are completed in New Orleans and other Gulf Coast cities.
November 5, 2004: President Gore handily wins re-election. Democrats have solid control of both Houses of Congress. The role of the nascent progressive media, including the liberal part of the "blogosphere" and the rise of Air America and Democracy Radio, are credited with aiding Gore's chances.
December 15, 2004: In exchange for his aid in rooting out Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and his sons Uday and Qusay are encouraged by Gore and by former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter to work out a plan for Iraq's transition to a secular democracy after Hussein's death, with Hussein and his sons in pivotal roles on the democracy commission. American conservatives immediately decry this as "appeasement", whereas Iraq-based observers congratulate Gore, Clinton and Carter for working on a plan to stave off the horrifically bloody civil war that would likely follow Saddam's death or removal from power.
January 25, 2005: As he basks in 75% approval ratings, President Gore's first SOTU after winning re-election focuses on the continuing Clinton Boom, the rapidly shrinking deficits, the success of the Lieberman-Dean universal child health care plan, and the steady growth of the economy, particularly in terms of jobs with living wages.
President Gore then announces a bold new initiative: He plans to expand the Lieberman-Dean plan to cover all adults as well. Insurance companies immediately roll out new "Harry and Louise" ads condemning Gore as the Antichrist.
February 5, 2005: Gore's expansion of the Lieberman-Dean plan passes both Houses of Congress on party-line votes.
March 3, 2005: Terri Schiavo, a woman left without any higher brain functions after a heart attack in 1990 destroyed most of her cerebral cortex, passes away quietly at a hospice in Florida.
From 2001 through 2004, Jeb Bush — Florida's then-governor — had blocked several court orders to remove her feeding tube. However, Jeb Bush was forced to resign in late 2004 on the heels of several different corruption and malfeasance indictments. The Schiavo case, along with the breaking news of born-again Christian Tom DeLay's corrupt involvement with prominent GOP fundraiser Jack Abramoff (an Orthodox Jew and former yeshiva owner who used the public appearance of piety to facilitate his misdeeds), starts a public discussion on the hypocrisy of the religious right.
June 6, 2005: On the 61st anniversary of D-Day, President Gore announces "E-D-O-Day", marking the start of his push for ending American dependence on gasoline-fueled transportation. Republicans, particularly those from Texas and Lousisana, complain bitterly that "Gore is trying to starve us to death" even as companies like Shell and Texaco pull in record profits.
August 26, 2005: Hurricane Katrina, having hit Florida, sets its sights on the Gulf Coast of Louisiana and Mississippi. FEMA's James Witt, with President Gore's full approval, had been in Florida since August 20; his proactive response is credited with keeping Katrina's Florida death toll to only six persons. Even as he coordinates the Florida FEMA effort, Witt directs Gulf Coast Air National Guard bases to have C-130 cargo planes filled with sandbags, food, water and other supplies to be sent to those areas in Katrina's path.
August 29, 2005: Katrina hits Louisiana and Mississippi as a Category Three hurricane. Flooding kills seventeen persons, but forecasters say that it could have had a far deadlier impact if the wetlands and marshes protecting New Orleans — marshes that under Clinton and Gore were protected and growing, after decades of shrinking at the hands of developers — did not exist. The newly-refurbished levees in New Orleans and other Gulf Coast cities hold firm; life is expected to return to normal inside of a week.
September 3, 2005: Chief Justice William Rehnquist dies after a long battle with throat cancer.
September 5, 2005: The port of New Orleans reopens after repairing the damage from Hurricane Katrina.
September 29, 2005: President Gore nominates Ruth Bader Ginsburg to be the new Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and Texas District Attorney Ronnie Earle to replace Ginsburg as Associate Justice.
October 24, 2005: The Senate confirms the nominations of Earle and Ginsburg along party-line votes.
January 31, 2006: In his State of the Union address, President Gore touts the success of the Lieberman-Dean universal health care plan and thanks the Big Three auto makers for putting their weight behind it. (The auto makers backed the bill because it saved them immense amounts of money — $1300 per car, in Ford's case — and their support caused the rest of the business community to fall into line.)
April 1, 2006: President Gore starts his first official blog; he posts an average of once a week from his BlackBerry. Members of the burgeoning progressive part of the blogging community, or "blogosphere", are suspicious at first but later hail the move.
August 8, 2006: The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports a 5.3% growth in real wages over the last two years since the implementation of the Eisenhower Plan. This is the first growth in real wages since 1970. Congressional and Senate Democrats, buoyed by the news, tout it in their midterm campaign literature; Michael "Savage" Weiner, on his syndicated radio show, claims that the Bureau's economists are "Communist smegma" who need "the doucheing of real capitalism".
November 7, 2006: The Democrats do well at the polls, further cementing control of Congress.
January 26, 2007: In his State of the Union address, President Gore calls on Congress to pass legislation to restore various kinds of oversight that had been lost during the Reagan and Bush administrations. Chief among his requests: The revival of the Fairness Doctrine. FOX News' Roger Ailes and most of the right-wing AM radio talk-show hosts protest loudly.
February 2, 2007: The Fairness Doctrine becomes the law of the land once again.
April 2, 2007: As the end of his last term in office approaches, President Gore, during an interview by Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake.com, states that "I wouldn't have traded these last six years for anything. I think we've got a lot done for America, and, if I might be so bold to suggest it, the rest of the world as well."
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Phoenix Woman..looks like a great post, however, the thought of reading it makes me some what ill. I quess I have to suck it up.
President Gore!
‘Morning, everyone! How’s your Saturday going so far?
Now back to read the post. With a heavy heart.
carolyn urban @ 2
You betcha!
Steve @ 2
I’m with you; this is painful to read…
OT..EPU’d from last thread. Just a reminder to have folks think good thoughts for Steve Gilliard’s recovery. I have been following Jen’s medical updates. At best, he has a long recovery ahead. I sure would like his insight into the build-up for the Iran war. If Gore was The President, I wouldn’t even be typing these words.
Very Nice PW.
Alternative Universe.
December 2001 Al Gore has a heart attack and dies.
Jan 2002. President Lieberfuck launches a pre-emptive strike against a covert Iranian Nuclear program…Armagedon early.
laurie9 @
7
Just to see how easily the current Bush mess could have been avoided?
What could have been….
Some day I will wake up and these past years would have only been a dream.
Now I face the future with resolute hope that America will wake up.
Per our favorite Trex
ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!
Bil @ 9
Nope — Gore’s too healthy for that. And one of Lieberman’s few saving graces is his backing of a health care reform plan similar to what Dean gave Vermont.
This alternate timeline is firmly grounded in reality, for the most part. Read on and you’ll see.
Looks like Cheney and Rove short circuted a very serious problem when they had Carol Lam dismissed.
Via TPM: Cunningham briber Mitchell Wade often bragged about his juice with Vice President Dick Cheney. Now Laura Rozen has more on the Wade-Cheney connection.
– Josh Marshall
Former US Attorney Carol Lam didnt get the DOJ/Rove memo from the RNC mail server: Henceforth Political Corruption cases will be tolerated as long as they only target members of the Democratic Party. Please try to remember that “Just-Us only applies to those of us in the GOP”
The cunningham/wade primer
http://tpmmuckraker.com/cunningham.php
The First Contract
New questions arise concerning Mitchell Wade’s first White House contract — and his connections to the vice president.
http://www.prospect.org/web/pa…..leId=12612
Oh man this is hard to read…. because it really could of occurred…
Damn… so many lives… so much pain…. so much loss… tears… where are those tissues?
and wishing that Gore would jump in for 08
Love the sentiment. I would quibble with some of the specifics, esp. regarding engagement with Iraq … Saddam would never have cooperated with the US in any form. That doesn’t mean the eventual proper reaction would have been invasion, of course.
Also, would have expected more from Alternate Reality Gore on addressing global warming! Plus, did he ever do his guest spot on Futurama?
How about “Gore 2008: Do-Over!”?
Reading this made me extremely sad. Oh, for what could have been!
It’s too painful to even think about …
I just hope if Al’s gonna toss his hat in the ring, he does it before too long. Many people are beginning to form emotional attachments to the candidates out there – because they have to believe that a positive change is coming, and I think if Al holds on for too long, people will resent him and possibly see it as posturing.
Run Al Run!!!
Phoenix Woman @ 10
Just to see how easily the current Bush mess could have been avoided?
I’d say, for me, the pain is heartsickness because there is just so much that has been f*cked up and lost. If I think about it for too long or in much detail, it weighs me down. Still, it’s good to do it… especially amongst friends here at FDL.
Good except the part about Lieberman. I think he would be sticking his shiv in Al Gore’s back at every turn. The way a lot of Democrats did to Bill Clinton.
I could not read all of this post. Too hard to take. I’ve never allowed myself to wonder what things would be like had the Supreme Clowns not stepped into the 2000 election. I weap…
By when does a candidate have to announce in order to be in the running?
PW – great post.
I ache.
To have the sanctions against his country end? To have the no-fly zones reduced or even dropped? He would have. And so would Iran — remember, the late ’90s/early ’00s were a brief window when the sane people had the upper hand there. Gore would have offered plenty of carrots for cooperation.
inmymind’seye @ 17
Unless, of course, the irresistable forces of American politics leave the front-runners battered, bruised, scandalized and knocked off their pedestals … at which point, Gore rides in to save the Dems from their polarized bitter feuding … a wise elder statesman back from the political wilderness! Sorta like Gandalf. Maybe with a blinding white robe and wizard’s staff.
unclemike @ 19
That’s why I have Gore keeping him busy with Dean working on the one area where Lieberman really is progressive. (Also, Dean can report back to Gore on what Lieberman’s doing. ;-)
RE-ELECT GORE – AND MAKE IT STICK THIS TIME!!
tbsa @ 20
I’ve forced myself to do so, to remind myself that what Bush is doing is NOT normal, no matter how much the boiled frogs of our media say it is.
Are there any lawyers out there that have an oppinion on what is going to happen to Lurita Doan? From watching the hearings it seems to me that they have several witnesses quoting her asking her federal employees “what can we do to help our (republican) candidates?”. Is there anyone out there that can give some insight on this as to where the investigation goes from here? Will there be an indictment for misappropriation of funds or the Hatch act etc? Inquiring minds want to know :)
Respectful Dissent @
15
Or: Gore 2008: The Nation Deserves a Mulligan
Phoenix Woman @ 25
Hmmm. Remember that Dean was an outsider scorned by the DLC. Do you think that Al Gore and his advisers would have had the vision to invite Dean to the table. I think about how even Nancy Pelosi discounted him until the netroots took up the cause of making him chair of the DNC.
Phoenix Woman, you made me cry.
Wow that’s better. I was having this terrible dream about the last six years.
Respectful Dissent @ 24
Well that’s gonna happen. But I think Hillary doesn’t have many skeletons left in her closet (not that many people could form an emotional attachment to her, well I couldn’t any way). Obama is attracting record crowds, and people seem to just fall in LOVE with the guy. Now I think he probably does have skeletons, and it will be ugly regarding Obama. But things aren’t going to get really dirty until later in the race and if Al’s gonna be in – he’ll be around for it.
Mutant Poodle @ 29
It will take generations to undo what these vile excuses for humans have done to this country.
I want to move over to the alternate universe where this happened. Maybe I can share the life with my doppelganger there…
One other thought about what might have been. Bush was able to steal the election because the votes were so close. Thank the print and broadcast media for that.
Now that they are starting up again on Hillary and Obama we must work to refute the lies as never before. We must come up with creative ways to embarrass the pundits into fairness.
Are you TRYING to make me cry?
With this one, pretty much everything is on topic, so here’s a link to a DK diary of mine that the rangers rescued.
I do think that it’s important–we should not be talking about a war in Iraq. We should be talking about the US occupation of Iraq. The war was over long ago.
unclemike @ 30
Remember that Dean was praised by the DLC right up until he decided to run for president and harsh Lieberman’s mellow — and that Gore endorsed Dean over Lieberman in 2003.
Robert Paehlke @ 32
Kinda like the last episode of Newhart, right?
Phoenix Woman @ 23
He and his cronies were making big BIG bucks off of the sanctions, and his regime was stable. Stable because they were brutal psychopaths who ran an obsessive police state. The idea behind sanctions is that either the populace will get so fed up they’ll overthrow the regime, or the rulers will get so debilitated or fraught with worry for their populace, they’ll acquiesce. Neither worked for Saddam, who didn’t care how many of his people died.
I just finished reading Cobra II and The One-Percent Doctrine and what’s striking (among many things) is how badly Saddam misunderstood the dynamics of US politics and decision-making (even as the US completely misunderstood what war it would be fighting, and what kind of country Iraq was). Saddam still thought, up to almost the point where the US was in Baghdad, that he would survive the attack and that the US would just push south into Iraq and then leave, a la Gulf War I. He still saw Iran as his most pressing threat in the regime. That’s why even though he allowed the UN inspectors in, he cultivated a mystery as to whether he still had WMD — which he knew that he didn’t, but even his Republican Guard commanders didn’t know until the war was underway.
His pride and arrogance would never have let him work with the UN or the US. Also, his sons were psychopaths … I mean, clinical no-kidding brutal thugs out of a B-movie.
Note that nothing in the above suggests that the US foreign policy of the last 5 years towards Iraq was correct.
Iran is a different story entirely. Their population, connections with the West (esp. Europe), multi-factional system of government where there are moderates and hard-liners and reformers who all jockey around each other, is different from Saddam’s kleptocracy. The missed opportunities of a smart engagement with them over the last 5 years is yet another tragedy.
(Again, I recommend the above two books thoroughly! Along with Imperial Life in the Emerald City, etc.)
unclemike @ 30
Remember that Dean was praised by the DLC right up until he decided to run for president and harsh Lieberman’s mellow — and that Gore endorsed Dean over Lieberman in 2003.
(Also: Don’t forget that Gore was moving away from the DLC and is now as hated by them as is Dean himself.)
Mutant Poodle @ 29
Or any number of variations thereof, yes.
Besides, he IS much cooler now … so much more comfortable inside his own skin. Also, this time he might be able to do it without catering to the DLC crowd and its cloying centrism and its big biz donors. And their awful political consultants.
GREAT PW! Edit the last sentence. “I think we’ve done a lot for America and the rest of the world.”
I’ve often thought about how different things would be had Gore taken office as he should have, but this is brilliant.
But, but, Al Gore invented the internets! And Naomi Klein made him wear a sweater and soft brown hues! He also said he worked in the tobacco fields! Also, when he was in Vietnam, he was protected by armed guards!
Much of America has gotten the idiocy they asked for.
The rest of us have been suffering these long 7 years.
-GSD
Not that stable — he had to keep making concessions to the local tribes AND to the Sunni and even Shia clerics, who were doing their level best to undo the Ba’ath Party’s Westernization programs. (Life in Iraq, though freer for women than in any other Middle Eastern majority-Muslim state, was slowly getting constricted again, as the clerics forced Saddam to push through ever-stricter laws.)
It was so unstable that Saddam didn’t dare have a recognized successor — he knew full well that anointing a successor meant empowering a rival who might decide to take over the reins when HE wanted to, not when Saddam dictated it.
Although it is indeed a realistic assumption that Gore would have done the basic work of preventing the 9/11 attacks, IF by some chance he had not, here’s how things would have gone:
On September 12th, or maybe 13th, there would have been massive right wing rallies outside the White House, complete with pitchforks and torches, demanding Gore be tried on the spot for failing to prevent the worst attack ever on U.S. soil. Shortly thereafter he would have been impeached and convicted, probably with the votes of ‘conservative’ Democrats who saw where their political future lay. Lieberman, I don’t know, he probably would have become a Republican and denounced Gore on the spot as a traitor, yet he still would be hounded from office so that the Republican Speaker could take over, and all his betrayals of the Democrats would have counted for nought.
Shortly after that, the right wing would have begun a fanatical movement to ban the Democratic Party as dangerous to American Security.
So, IF 9/11 did happen under Gore (although yes it would be much more likely to have been stopped), the US political system would likely have been even worse off.
Phoenix Woman!
I love your post.
If only…
Had Gore taken office after he won the 2000 election, I wouldn’t have been waking up in the wee hours thinking about this: (epu’d from late night)
__________________________
Cassie – I think you’re right: teenagers would do way better than the DC Rethugs.
And calliope @ 256(late night)….
Thanks for your kind comment. Myself, I went to bed wondering if anyone has mapped out intersections between Abramoff’s casino work and Griles/Norton’s conspiracy to obstruct justice and prevent payments from energy/minning to tribes.
First spatial overlay would be the tribes fleeced by Abramoff’s casino deals. (Special attention to tribal goverments in which the same tribal government members distracted by casino mini-wealth lost focus on the tribes ongong claims against Griles’ owners in Big Energy/Mining.)
Second spatial overlay is the physical locations where royalty payments are claimed (against Big Energy/Mining) by plaintiffs in the Coburn megasuit against DOI.
The third spatial overlay maps the physical locations of the MMS (Mineral Management Service) leases manged by DOI. MMS under Griles/Norton systematically uncharged and under collected for Federal revenues owed by Big Energy/Mining.
Fourth spatial overlay is the map of physical locations of environmental crimes on public or tribal plans ignored by DOI lawyers. Griles’ live-in girlfriend (who married him while “monitoring” his ethical lapses) just happened to be the chief environmental “enforcement” atorney at DOI; she came to DOI with Norton from prior lucratve work for Mining/Energy/Timber.
Fifth spatial overlay would be the US Attorneys’ geographic responsibilities.
(And now it’s time for the Ferry Plaza Farmers’ Markets….
blog. sleep. wake up and think about Griles/Sampson/Norton. sleep. blog. eat. blog. hike. blog. brush cats. blog. brush cats.)
*See # 55.
Zee @
37
Nope, just trying to remind everyone what a sane, able, and intelligent president looks like.
GSD @ 49
Linky?
It’s not too late for Al Gore to do even further good for us. I hope he will consider getting into the race. I’d have his back in a heartbeat!
My, my, what a fevered imagination we have. Does it hurt? sigh. All the things that could’ve been…
I think I would happily vote for Gore. But he needs to quit dickin’ around, and playing coy about it. In or out, ’cause I think we have a pretty outstanding (compared to some years) group of Democratic candidates, and I’m not rich enough to support more than one candidate, so once I give my love, I’m not switching midstream.
jayackroyd @ 38
Nice diary. So true that it is an occupation in Iraq, not a war.
An update on the Glorious Bush/McCain/Lieberman surge/escalation:
Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths
Period Total
Mar-07 1808
Feb-07 1531
Jan-07 1802
Military Fatalities: By Month
Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
3-2007 80 1 0 81 2.61 31
2-2007 80 3 1 84 3 28
1-2007 83 3 0 86 2.77 31
-GSD
Talk about incredible progress?
Sickening.
*
PW.
Link:
Icasualties.org
-GSD
El Cid @ 47 — Oh, of course. The same GOP/Media Complex that hollers “We must support the president” and “9/11 changed everything” would have done EXACTLY that in the case of Al Gore. You do a very good job of pointing out their hypocrisy.
My point is that Gore simply would not have allowed it to happen. He would have kept the offshore submarine electronic surveillance — surveillance that when Bush ordered it stopped in January 2001, meant that the US no longer had any real-time information on what was happening with Al-Qaeda. He would have read AND heeded the PDBs and he would have made sure that others did, too. (Remember, airline safety was one of his top issues as VP.)
This is worrisome:
DEBKAfile Exclusive: US financial sources in Bahrain report American investors in Bahrain advised to pack up business operations and leave
March 30, 2007, 12:41 PM (GMT 02:00)
http://www.debka.com/
conniptionfit @ 53
Oh, yes. We really have a lot of good candidates to choose from — and frankly, I’m afraid of the same thing Joe Conason fears: That the GOP/Media is egging Gore to enter simply so they can smear him all over again.
Phoenix Woman @
51
Sigh. I want my country back.
Phoenix Woman @ 46
Yes, but it was not so unstable that it was a foregone conclusion it was heading towards collapse. It was stable so long as Saddam could keep doling out the favors and the fear … and playing off different factions against each other so they don’t threaten him is a classic move of autocratic monarchs since time immemorial. That doesn’t mean the system would survive an outside shock or Saddam’s incapacitation (say, if he had a heart attack or stroke), but we’d been waiting for over a decade for the system to crack when our original rosy predictions after Gulf War I was that it would take months before some rebellious faction would overthrow him.
Anyway, like I said at the top, minor quibble! I don’t mean to bicker about alternate histories, which prima facie becomes a silly exercise very quickly. I appreciate the rest of your post and your imagining out of the might-have-beens.
Zee @ 60
Nope, just trying to remind everyone what a sane, able, and intelligent president looks like.
Sigh. I want my country back.
No, wait, I take that back. God DAMN it. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!
Terry Olson @ 54
Uh-huh. Though really, with the level of violence greater now than during the “war”, I think it’s both a war AND an occupation. (”It’s a floor wax! It’s a dessert topping!”)
El Cid @ 47
Hm. Much as I loved the movie about you, especially Sophia Loren, I must respectfully disagree with this hypothetical. Recalling that in this universe, Condi and Bush and so many others ignored people with flaming hair like Richard Clarke, and that the rightwingers and corporate MSM gave the Bushies a free pass for failing to prevent the worst attack ever on U.S. soil, I just don’t see the level of hypocrisy needed from the right emanating thence.
Plus when you say our political situation would be worse off (than now), I really can’t imagine it being worse than now, even under your hypothetical torches-and-pitchforks scenario.
YMOV (your mileage obviously varies) & that’s OK.
It must be 5 p.m. somewhere—I’m going to start drinking. ;-(
The New York Post doing a nice job at trivializing Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
-GSD
The Congressional Black Congress wants to work with and legitimize Rupert Murdoch for what reason?
PW: mind if I cross post this at the Roots Project beta?
OT, re: Roots Project beta site
If you set up your account and start posting some of your own content to your own blog there, Matt Browner Hamlin and I will be looking daily for original material generated by the community to promote to the front page. You’ll also WIN FREE STUFF.
Well, maybe not, but anyway, it’s next generation Internets that we’re building, and you can be a a part of it. Check it out.
Please also make note of our new fundraising thermometer on the right sidebar of any FDL page.
Veritas78 @ 65
well if you need a laugh to cheer yourself up, tune in the inimitable Lurita Doan on C-SPAN 1. She’s a scream.
Elliott @ 69
Saw it the first time—I’ve screamed enough this week.
Veritas78 @ 70
well if you need a laugh to cheer yourself up, tune in the inimitable Lurita Doan on C-SPAN 1. She’s a scream.
Saw it the first time—I’ve screamed enough this week.
I think I’ll join you in that drink
Respectful Dissent @ 60 — oh, yeah. And if anything, Saddam did his best to play up the undeniable growth in animosity that the Bush/PNAC crowd had against him as a means of shoring up support at home for himself.
But he still hated Al-Qaeda with a passion — they wanted him gone, big-time, as he was one of the biggest obstacles to Osama bin Laden’s dream of a restored Caliphate, an Islamic empire spanning the globe with its capital at Baghdad. (It’s why the whole “Saddam helped Osama” bull was so ridiculous; he fought like a demon to keep them out of Iraq. Ironically enough, the parts of his country which he didn’t really control — namely, the no-fly zones — wound up becoming the sole spots in Iraq where AQ could get a foothold.) And his control was slipping as he aged.
Pachacutec @ 66
Go for it!
As always: Thanks, Ralph!
And let’s not forget also: Thanks, Tony!
Ken C. @ 73
Heh!
Terry Olson @ 44
And to think that a single vote on the Supreme Court has wrought this disaster …
Talk about activist (Repuc) judges!
OT (yet again)
seventh geographical overlay -
7) All tribes with both:
a) Big Energy/Mining/Timber wanting to exploit resources on collectively held (Tribal) lands
b) Disputes over tribal governance and/or recognition in which DOI and/or BIA and/or USA’s became involved.
__________________________
Hi Kalliope!
Those bastards won’t get out of my head. Arrgh!
Hope your dreams were free of Griles…
(and now off to the market before the berries go away…)
kirk murphy @ 49
Had Gore taken office after he won the 2000 election, I wouldn’t have been waking up in the wee hours thinking about this: (epu’d from late night)
________________________________
Cassie – I think you’re right: teenagers would do way better than the DC Rethugs.
And calliope @ 256(late night)….
Thanks for your kind comment. Myself, I went to bed wondering if anyone has mapped out intersections between Abramoff’s casino work and Griles/Norton’s conspiracy to obstruct justice and prevent payments from energy/minning to tribes.
First spatial overlay would be the tribes fleeced by Abramoff’s casino deals. (Special attention to tribal goverments in which the same tribal government members distracted by casino mini-wealth lost focus on the tribes ongong claims against Griles’ owners in Big Energy/Mining.)
Second spatial overlay is the physical locations where royalty payments are claimed (against Big Energy/Mining) by plaintiffs in the Coburn megasuit against DOI.
The third spatial overlay maps the physical locations of the MMS (Mineral Management Service) leases manged by DOI. MMS under Griles/Norton systematically uncharged and under collected for Federal revenues owed by Big Energy/Mining.
Fourth spatial overlay is the map of physical locations of environmental crimes on public or tribal plans ignored by DOI lawyers. Griles’ live-in girlfriend (who married him while “monitoring” his ethical lapses) just happened to be the chief environmental “enforcement” atorney at DOI; she came to DOI with Norton from prior lucratve work for Mining/Energy/Timber.
Fifth spatial overlay would be the US Attorneys’ geographic responsibilities.
(And now it’s time for the Ferry Plaza Farmers’ Markets….
blog. sleep. wake up and think about Griles/Sampson/Norton. sleep. blog. eat. blog. hike. blog. brush cats. blog. brush cats.)
Clearly you need more cats.
PW: Done.
unfortunately, what I think would really happen? The insane GOP out of power trumps up false scandals that drum President Gore out of office, while the Democrats, still talking about compromise and triangulation, have developed no spine for fighting these despiccable chumps, and are blindsided when they take over.
at least, in the bad years we have lived through, we’ve a learned a thing or two about defending democracy against people who do things without qualm that we cannot even imagine otherwise.
If Gore made it to the White House in 2000, would there be a FDL today?
Some positive things happened. :)
Phoenix Woman @ 59
Well, yeah. But if Al is the smart guy we all think he is, he will have a plan for dealing with those idiots- and if he doesn’t, we’ll know it well before we make the mistake of electing him.(again)
– I looked over some Jack Cafferty on the {CNN = Certainly Not News}channel — and further noted Candy Crowley commenting that the Democratic field of hopefuls was blooming. And by the time it gets to the primaries every one will have burned out the voters. Pushing BIG AL this early is NOT in our interest. My .02 cents.
More fallout from the USA firings. Seedy Gonzales’ hand-picked flunkie clusterfucked a tax case and now the US can’t reclaim 100 million dollars.
The blind leading the mentally deficient.
-GSD
Dear America,
Your founding fathers were geniuses, brave geniuses. The actions of the new congress has begun to reverse the speedy decline of the past 6 years, even though they have only been at it for 3 months.
It has taken a few years, but the American people has realized that the ruling party is acting more like a dictatorship and the President holds himself to be a King. Unfortunately for us, he is more like the mad King George III rather than Alfred. Unfortunately for him, his legacy & shame will last longer than his corrupt administration and those in his lineage will suffer his shame for generations.
More than 3 centuries ago, a group of brave, wise men saw that absolute power corrupts and that life, liberty & justice were the highest ideals for a nation and an individual. They set a course for their nation, knowing that even 3 centuries later, a democracy will be more palatable than a dictatorship.
They were true visionaries, and their faith in you desiring enduring freedom made them initiate their actions. You do them honor by remaining true to their ideals, no matter how great the challenge.
marjo @
80
Yup. It took these seven lean years to knock some sense into those of us who needed to be the most vigilant.
Thank you for the post, PW.
I would venture to say that the Palestinians would not be living in a gulag right now and that President Gore and his team would have helped to broker a lasting peace with the help of many Arab nations.
There probably would not have been a horrific war in Lebanon, either.
Anything is possible as long as people and nations are treated fairly.
Would Jimmy Carter have been his Secretary of State?
That’s a nice fantasy, Pheonix Woman, but it seems pretty unlikely to me that things would have gone that smoothly under Gore even if he had attempted half of what you rather generously assume he’d be interested in doing.
How about this little scenario: President Gore does everything his good buddies the Republicans demand of him, deferring to them at every instance in the most servile, cringing and bootlicking manner imaginable. His toadying nature towars the Right coupled with his abandonment of Democratic values turns off the Dem base big-time, and they stay at home come the midterm elections. (In other words, a repeat of Clinton’s 1st two years in the White House.) The Rethugs and the “liberal” media triumphantly scream about the Democratic Party being out of touch, leftist extremists (i.e. the usual) and an ashen-faced Gore appears on tv to humbly intone how he’s Learned His Lesson and won’t be such a damned liberal in the future. During his remaining time in office, Gore turns further and further to the right, which (naturally) only encourages the media and the GOP to savage him even more relentlessly. He responds every time by publicly attacking the Left, with the grinning and exultant assistance of his truly malignant V.P. (Lieberman otherwise spends his time in office knifing Gore in the back every chance he gets, natch.) In the debates for the next Presidential Election, Gore beats his previous record of agreeing with his Republican opponent (it was something like 38 times with Bush, right?), by agreeing with his current foe (oh, let’s say, Newt Gingrich) 152 times in their second debate. Gore tops that in their 3rd debate by offering to shine Newt’s shoes with his tongue live on tv. Newt wins the election, and Gore’s dragged out of the White House, screeching non-stop that Clinton’s cock is to blame (as he did in 2000), as well as the dirty fucking liberal hippies that make up the Democratic Party. Oh, and Ralph Nader (who didn’t even run this time as he was happily killed in a freak blimp accident prior to the 2004 election season). Gore himself is entirely free of any blame whatsoever, don’cha know. The new Republican President immediately launches a simultaneous War against Iraq and Iran both, 9/11 (or, indeed, any reason at all) not being necessary. The end.
Harsh? Maybe. But I suspect the truth would lie somewhere between your scenario and my exercise in smart-assedness. In office, Gore was more genuinely conservative than either of the Clintons (both of whom are essentially opportunists at heart), but without any of Bill’s politcal street smarts or saavy. I don’t think he would have done nearly as well as you automatically assume he would. Which isn’t to say I wouldn’t have preferred him to the murdering sociopath we’ve got staining the Oval Office right now, needless to say…
Well, that goes without saying. Cats are good. (Unless you’re a bird.)
I never cried from a blog post before.
angie @ 87
I think Gore would have kept Albright, if for no other reason than that early on, he just wouldn’t want to face a nasty battle getting the new person confirmed.
But he would have certainly put former President Carter to work in the Middle East somehow, in order to counter the work of the Likudniks, the right-wing allies of the American neocons and PNACers.
marjo @ 80
Yeah, I was thinking about the future this morning, in terms of how/what do we put in place to prevent the NEXT rethuglican with delusions of grandure from doing it to us all over again. I hope to god that our Dems in congress are keeping their eye on THAT ball. Because we clearly are going to need some strong language (and penalties) in the bills we need to pass to close the loopholes that Bush/Cheney/Addington/Rove/Yoo have created in our system(s) of government. The only way we can prevent signing statements from being used in the way they’ve been used to undermine and ignore legislation is to put some penalties in for misuse or ban them entirely. And then we need to strenghthen the Hatch act, etc,etc. One thing you have to give the R’s- they sure have shown us where the holes are that need to be plugged. And they’ve shown us that ol’ Benjamin was right: the founding fathers gave us a republic-if we can keep it.
Phoenix Woman @ 86
Truer words were never spoken!
DELBERT MATHANEY @ 83
Yeah, interesting choice we have here, isn’t it? I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but I do wonder about the Dems who are giving their hearts now to a candidate, and how willing (or not) they will be to abandon their candidate for Al if he gets in late.
D’oh! How did it slip my mind that today is Al Gore’s birthday?
Not really. And especially not if you look at his Senate record. Gore felt an obligation not to show up Clinton while he was VP; he was very conscious of how many persons thought that the ticket should have been reversed, as Gore had by far the stronger record of governance.
Too bad Sandra Day O’Connor did not have the foresight that you mentioned in this wonderful fiction….
Tragic, isn’t it?
Renee in Ohio @ 95
Holy crap — so it is!
As Jeebus is my witness, I swear on the religious document of your choice that I didn’t know that when I decided to run this post today!
Happy Birthday, Mister President!
Phoenix Woman @
59
Seems to me they will smear anyone who enters, like John Kerry. It doesn’t matter what it is, they have shown they can take almost anything and turn it into something. However, we’ve learned so much about how to counter this stuff and reduce it’s effectiveness.
What matters is credibility, and I think Gore has it.
conniptionfit @ 78
Clearly you need more cats.
with very sharp claws!
Where would one send a birthday greeting to Al Gore, if one was so inclined?
Audio clip of President Al Gore:
http://video.google.com/videop…..2751354391
- Tom
Ok guys, time to get to work in the garden. Have a lovely day, and don’t let ‘em get ya down!
My, my @ 97
Yeah. Especially since she seems to have regretted her decision (note also her warning about the Bush/GOP assault on the judiciary — quite apposite in light of the USA purgings).
conniptionfit @
103
Excellent! Gardening is good. Have fun!
Renee — I found this:
http://answers.google.com/answ…..?id=734083
Oh, and Happy Birthday President Gore.
Renee in Ohio @
101
That’s a good question. Anyone know?
(on edit: Thanks, Angie!)
OT but maybe not so much given the discussion about the airlines in the post. Has anyone else seen this story from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL…..index.html
A girl is kicked off a Continental flight from Newark to Honolulu for coughing too much? A teen ager on the way home? It truly does appear that the management of airlines have lost what little minds they may have started with…
Just an OT but on point as pointing out the polar opposite to Gore….Bush’s hypocrisy.
Copy of letter to my
Dear Congressman Murtha,
First, may I thank you for your determination to get our troops home, safe and sound. I am honored to have you as my Congressperson.
I read this in an article that both President Bush and VP Cheney have read a book and loved the author so much that he was invited to lunch with Bush. It might interest you to read what this author thought of the lowly soldiers from this area. He called them “Appalachian mountain-cretins”. Here is an excerpt from the article.
“The big idea: The thinking behind the news.
George Bush’s Favorite Historian
The strange views of Andrew Roberts.
By Jacob Weisberg
Posted Wednesday, March 28, 2007, at 3:40 PM ET
(Continued from page 1)
Roberts has written several other well-regarded books, including a biography of Lord Salisbury, a Victorian prime minister of the post-Disraeli period…. Roberts musters a muscular narrative line but examines nothing at all. All charges against his Anglo-American Imperium are quickly dismissed, from the “supposed ill-treatment” of women and children in Boer War internment camps to the prison camp at Guantanamo, which he declares Bush is “right” to keep open. The fire-bombing of Dresden was “justified,” the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki positive in various ways.
The abuses at Abu Ghraib, Roberts writes, were of course overstated and resulted from “the fact that some of the military policemen involved were clearly little better than Appalachian mountain-cretins.”
Is this how Bush supports our troops????
He seems to view them with such disdain and his favorite historian must echo Bush’s own thinking about the troops. No wonder he is so willing to allow our soldiers to die for his lost cause. They are nothing but “Appalachian mountain-cretins”. It is disgusting!!!!
Phoenix Woman @ 105
It’s a lovely morning in CA!
I’ll go outside now to plant flowers and veggies.
Later.
Here’s why this could not have happened, as awesome as it might have been. This country needed a wakeup call, needed something to blast it out of the apathy that had become so powerful that both Nader and Perot could siphon votes on the premise that there’s no difference between the parties.
Without Bush in office, Jon Stewart’s Daily Show continues to be mired in making fun of people who want to have festivals for frogs. Bush has given Mr. Stewart his voice, and in the process, woken up a large portion of the electorate to the criminality happening in the White House.
Without Bush in office, the media remains the complacent lapdogs of Fox and Mellon-Scaife, continuing their rereading of press releases from ‘conservative’ institutes and simply passing on the rhetoric. Ann Coulter’s vitriol remains something that people might consider valid, Bill O’Reilly continues to pull in numbers– because these people are the outsiders, are the ‘force for change’, and the American people have never been satisfied with the current state of affairs. They would continue to receive equal air time, because their criticisms have nothing to do with the maintenance of power.
Without Bush in power, I seriously doubt we would be here today. This website was created after gross violations of national security were perpetrated against Valerie Plame, something Gore’s White House would never have had the need to reveal because they wouldn’t have been such hungry warmongers in the first place. A great deal of the current political climate, of the activated Progressive presence, simply would not exist, because there would not be a need.
Bush has given us a great demonstration of what happens when Republicans are in power. As Chris Bowers pointed out(link to mydd), all of the scandals that have come out of the Bush White House are a direct result of how these people view the world and the government as their own personal piggy banks, to be protected from others and exploited by themselves. The country needed this gross mismanagement in order to be awoken to the evil that is the current Republican Party.
John D. @ 88
But John D., he gives good speech now, honest! He entire lifetime of actions don’t matter, doncha’ know. Just trust him cuz after being in around D.C. his whole life, he’s finally figured it all out the last few years.
Edwards or Obama ‘08. Let’s retire the names (Clinton, Lieberman, Gore, McCauliffe, etc.) that have “led” the Democratic Party into the dumps, and get behind some new blood and new ideas. We’ve got future to worry about here, let’s go! Long live the Roots Project!
mmr @ 111
Absolutely. Without 9/11, all this that is happening now would’ve happened around 2002. Bush’s numbers were tanking within his first few months in office. Remember when we were going to war with China in the first half of 2001?!? They’re still milking 9/11 to this day to stay in power. Disgusting.
I cried.
Fucking Brilliant!
OT, But How is Jane?
Happy Birthday, Mr. President.
I wish we were in that parallel universe rather than Biff’s world!
ok, I’ve been asking people in private till I’m blue in the face and nobody wants to do something with this
I have no experience developing websites but I registered a bunch of domains and I think we can really raise some money and get some kind of draft al gore thing going
here are the sites I’ve registered, if anyone is interested in developing these let me know here at the lake and I’ll get my email address to you
DRAFTGOREFORPRESIDENT.COM
DRAFTGOREFORPRESIDENT.ORG
DRAFTGOREFORPRESIDENT.US
DRAFTGOREFORPRESIDENTBLOG.COM
DRAFTGOREFORPRESIDENTONLINE.COM
OFFICIALDRAFTGOREFORPRESIDENT.COM
jarotra @
90
I cried the first time I read Christy, it was right after the mining disaster in WV last year. That was just an astounding piece of writing. And I’ve been hooked ever since.
It’s here and it’s pure art.
Thank you Christy
Al Gore in 2008. Accept no substitutes.
angie at 106–thanks for finding that contact info.
About to be EPU’d, I’m sure…
Awesome thoughts provoked by your alternative history. I liked the “Eisenhower Plan” best.
Strange, though, that the Israel/Palestine situation seems to have fallen by the wayside.
New thread by Hugh.
Muddled
Al Gore is a nice man, a smart man. He was much maligned by the Republicans and the MSM. He’ll get in the race if it suits him. I don’t see any point in begging him to. I don’t want a coy person running for President. He didn’t run a very good campaign in 2000. Maybe he learned something by that and would do better next year. I’m not going to try and persuade him to make another go at it. He needs to prove himself in today’s environment, just like anybody else. It’s like people say: That was then. This is now. Since he’s already said he’s not interested I’m going to take him at his word.
If there is anybody I would ask to change their mind about running it would be Russ Feingold. I still think he’s the man for the times in which we live. But even Russ would need to get in the race and prove himself on the national level.
I’m not going to question Phoenix Woman’s scenario. Maybe it would’ve turned out just like she spelled it out for us. The problem with her story is that it’s irrelevant and not what we need to be thinking about now. Our reality is pretty dangerous right now. We need to deal with it, not what might have been.
gore needs to get it going. now.
wow, Phoenix Woman. I nearly skipped this, because I, too, thought it would be too painful. but, actually I was captured by the bright cheer of the alternate universe, and felt quite uplifted reading along.
Besides, the quality of your writing – the specifics and the timeline–wonderful.
Altho’ there is pain, I liked living in a fantasy world for a little while.
Besides, it’s a vision for the future, too.
Thanks.
Sigh. Let’s not be delusional, folks. Bush has been a disaster, but many of the events of this decade still would have come out the same way.
Take the economy: presidents have far less to do with that than the author seems to think. The dot-com crash and recession of 2001 was not caused by George Bush, just as the dot-com boom of the late 90s was not caused by Bill Clinton. Gore would have made it easier for those laid off, and the recovery would have been faster, and the government would have been in a position to give people more aid, and the budget would have been in better shape because we wouldn’t have seen massive tax cuts.
But Clinton was not particularly progressive on economic issues; quite the opposite. Wall Street (via Robert Rubin) was running the show. Have you noticed that despite official reports of 3% inflation, everything you buy is rising in price faster than that (rent/housing, food, entertainment, gasoline, utilities)? It was Clinton who changed the CPI formula, to take “hedonics” into account. The idea is that modern products and modern houses and modern everything is so much better, that we’ll just adjust the CPI because things you buy now are more valuable. No matter that people used to buy good wood furniture and now it’s all particle board crud.
I think the Sept. 11 attack still would have succeeded, because Gore wouldn’t have been able to fix all of the problems with the FBI, CIA, etc. in only a few months. Maybe one or more of the 9/11 hijacking teams would have been stopped, but probably not all four. A more aggressive anti-al-Qaeda focus might have delayed the attack. But I think it still wouldn’t have happened.
Gore would have contained rather than attacked Saddam. That would be the main difference. But Vice President Lieberman, along with many Democrats connected with A*P*C, would have pushed him to sign up to the neocon agenda. On the other hand, Gore would not give Lieberman any significant power.
Way EPU’d (I’ve been yanking dandelions out by the head. Very therapeutic.)
This is a wonderful post, Phoenix Woman. You did your homework, and it is all plausible. The lesson we have all been learning for six years is that elections matter, and who you vote for matters. Thanks for such an imaginative fable. You must have spent a lot of time on it.
I saw Al Gore speak last fall in Portland, in 2000 here in Iowa. What a difference. Not that he was bad at it before, but he has grown in stature, in ways that are not visible to the eye. (Oh, yeah, he’s chunkier, but who isn’t?) He seems to be without pretense, utterly sure of himself, relaxed, focused on what he sees as important, and incredibly schooled in his subject. Plus, he’s really bright, and a grownup.
If he runs, I’m with him.
Hats off to this post and the very real possibilities of what might have been….
Great post Phoenix Woman! If only the Bush Crime Family had not been appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000. We can only dream about how different this country and the world would be today with Al Gore as President.
However, while we can’t relive the past, we can stop the insanity of the current administration by IMPEACHING both Bush and Cheney in 2007 and re-electing Al Gore in 2008.
Let’s make the change now!!
Joe Buck @ 127:
I tend to agree with you about the dotBust (which was easily predictable to me) and 9/11 (there would have been some action taken on the PDB), but we would not be in Iraq, and not only would we not have had President Bush, but we wouldn’t have had Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, Gonzales, Rove, or Myers. The economic, healthcare, and environmental agendas would be wildly different, and as a parent, for my child’s sake and every child’s future, I wish we had them instead of what we have.
If you’re not happy with the dishonest CPI measure of inflation, have you noticed what’s been happening to the Euro lately? That’s a measure of how we’re discounting the debt.
Fabulous post! Oh, if only it were true. The only thing I find missing is more work being done on global warming, given how much of a passion it is for Gore.
I think we all have this sort of nostalgia every once and a while, little flashes of what could have been, thanks for this post.
perris @ 118
The draft movement is alive and well all over the country. Check out http://www.algore.org and http://www.draftalgore.meetup.com. Sign up for a group near you or if there isn’t one already, start one. If you need help, you can contact me through algore.org — I’m active in the SE Michigan group.
A nitpick:
June 1, 2001: Republican Senators James Jeffords and Lincoln Chaffee, disgusted with the demagoguery of the GOP, switch parties and become Independents who inhabit the Democratic Senate Caucus. This throws control of the Senate into Democratic hands.
A Gore win would have meant the Dems would have controlled the Senate from the get-go.
Remember that after the 2000 election, each party had 50 Senators. As it was, the Dems controlled the Senate from January 3, 2001 to January 20, 2001, after the new Senate was sworn in, but while Gore was still Veep. (This is what enabled the power-sharing arrangement in the Senate that lasted for the rest of that Congress.)
If Gore had won, Lieberman’s presence as Veep would have meant that no power-sharing arrangement would have been brokered, and the Dems would have controlled the Senate for Gore’s first two years as President.
Somehow I just feel that if Gore were to get back into normal politics, he’d quickly leave behind (even if unconsciously) his rebel status and his appreciation for the grassroots, and he’d once more be a conservative DLC guy who favors the solutions which keep Wall Street happy even when it hurts the base — i.e., NAFTA.
He’s much better as an independent hell-raiser than as a politician. My intuition. Could be wrong, but it’s what I see.
fantastic post…
i thought the first half of the post could have happened word for word… the second half was more fantasy, but nice.
who am i kidding, the whole thing is all fantasy, much to the worlds misfortune..
i think it could have had a section which says,
“Many members of the emerging liberal blogosphere have been critical of President Gore for the slow pace which the administration have enacted some legislation. They stated that although the President has been much more responsive to their concerns in comparison to former President Clinton, he was still too appeasing to the Republicans and the centrist Democrats, such as the Vice President.
Ralph Nader, who appeared on Meet the Press, stated emphatically, “The two party system has destroyed the democratic process. What you see here is that they are two peas in a pod. There is little differences between the two parties.”
If only we could have fought that fight instead… You know it would have happened…
Oh well, back to reality.
Much more mortal stakes in this fight.
The idea that a Gore presidency would have meant no war with Iraq is a fantasy. It might not have been the same war as Bush undertook, but unless Gore had been lucky enough to have stopped all of the 9/11 highjackers (an attack that was planned and set into motion before they knew who was going to be in office), there were still going to be trigger points on Iraq like the end of the sanctions, the Republicans baying about an Oil for Food “scandal”, and the VP candidate making statements like this during the 2000 debates:
Feel free to indulge your fantasy, but don’t forget that the eight years of Clinton’s term didn’t go exactly swimmingly and without setbacks. Look at the trouble just Waco caused him.
And you left out the part about the rogue glacier attacking Maine.
Hannity just spent a full 20 minutes today sticking knives into Gore. I guess that means least Faux News thinks he’s running….
Joe Buck @ 127: Gore is not Clinton. And Gore was ditching the DLC for the lefty populism he has always been at heart, but felt obliged to constrain while VP. Anyone who remembers the last half of 2000 knows that.
Blub @ 142
Either that, or they’re afraid that he is. :-)
anwaya @ 131
Exactly.
tejanarusa @ 126
That’s what I was aiming for: Not to make people cry, but to show them what not only could have been, but what can still be if we put our backs into it.
Great post.
Noticed that you shied away from mentioning global warming, although I’m certain a President Gore would have listened to the warnings and advice of a vast majority of the world’s scientists and done whatever was necessary and sensible to address it…which would have been a marked difference from the insane denial of Bush and Cheney.
I agree on everything else.
The 9/11 attacks wouldn’t have happened. Anyone paying attention could have disrupted the September Plot. The Bush/Cheney administration didn’t pay attention, because Al Qaeda, Afghanistan and the Saudi Arabian Osama bin Laden were not Iraq and Saddam Hussein.
Without the 9/11 attacks happening, the nation’s airlines wouldn’t have been hit so hard financially. Nor the rest of the economy.
President Gore would have also appointed FCC members who’d have rolled back media consolidation, opening up free-market competitiveness (to the benefit of consumers) in place of media market monopolization. Also, he may not have appointed anyone with a far-right evangelical agenda, like Martin, who seems intent on pulling a Communist-like censorship stunt on our nation’s media and entertainment industry.
Furthermore, neither an honorable President Al Gore (nor even a Vice President Joe Lieberman) would have authorized the outing of a covert CIA agent to try to cover up for the lies that led our country into a bungled war effort in a country that had nothing to do with the September Plot nor had massive stockpiles of proscribed weapons, especially after the Gore-endorsed U.N. weapons inspectors continued to find none.
And finally, President Gore and the Democratic-controlled Congress would have made sure that sufficient funds went to the Veterans Administration to honor the compact made with our nation’s veterans. Plus, he’d have appointed someone competent and caring to run the VA, not some incompetent partisan political hack.
It is obvious to anyone with a brain that a Gore presidency over the past six years would have been a blessing to our democracy and the rest of the world, as compared to the nightmare and disaster of the Bush and Cheney administration.
The Oracle @
149
I didn’t ’shy away from mentioning global warming’; granted, I spent much more time addressing how Gore would have worked to prevent 9/11 (and would never have attacked/invaded/occupied Iraq), but I did obliquely address the issue of climate change by mentioning that Gore would have continued to protect the Delta wetlands and saltwater marsh areas that Bush allowed developers to destroy. These marshes provided an important buffer zone around New Orleans, taking much of the sting out of past hurricanes.
Yup, yup, and yup.
bonkers @
112 : Sorry, but you have no idea of Gore’s record, either in the Senate or the White House as VP — if you did, you wouldn’t be saying what you’re saying. Forgive me, but you sound all too much like a Naderite trying desperately not to admit that voting for Ralph in 2000 was a mistake.
darrelplant @
139 :
I have two words for you: Desert Crossing.
Don’t know what that is, do you?
Most people don’t. That’s the way Bush wants it.
Here’s why:
In other words, the Pentagon wargamed invading Iraq — just as they routinely wargame invading other countries in a pro forma manner (the Pentagon even wargames invading nations like Canada and Mexico, even though we have no intention of invading them) — and found that it would be utter stupidity to even think about it. So they didn’t.
In other words, even if Clinton had wanted to invade, Desert Crossing told him what most sane people already knew: It would be a disaster and he shouldn’t do it. Bush, however, had his mind stuffed with Chalabi’s flowers-and-candy propaganda by way of PNAC and Doug Feith. He wasn’t going to let a silly wargame result stop him!
So please think twice before you even try to imply that Gore would have invaded Iraq. You know better — or should.
i get to vote for Ronnie Earle.
and i always have.
Warmed my heart to think of him on the SCOTUS.
… then so sad to remember what we have there.