I'm a big proponent of timelines. They're a really useful tool, retrospectively, to connect the dots, to understand how, say, Carol Lam's firing might relate to her investigation of Jerry Lewis or Dusty Foggo.
But now that we're in the majority, we're making the timelines. Which means we need to look forward as much as backwards to get our bearings.
So, as a public service (you might want to schedule some "sick" days, after all), I thought I'd do a timeline of what's coming. Note that most of these links go to PDFs, so click through accordingly.
March 23 Deadline for Condi to turn over (Condi apparently ignored this deadline–see her upcoming date with Waxman below)
March 30 (today!) House
and Senate[correction--DOJ wanted joint interviews, but it appears only the House Judiciary is involved at this point] Judiciary Committees begin to interview [in private interviews --so don't look for it on CSPAN] 7 current and former DOJ employees on the USA purge; interviewees include:
- Paul McNulty
- William Moschella
- Michael Elston
- William Mercer
- David Margolis
- Monica "Five for Freedom" Goodling
- Michael Battle
March 30 (today!) Deadline for State Department to turn over information on problems with the DynCorp contract to train Iraqi police
April 5 [House Oversight] Deadline for Fred Fielding to turn over information on the gwb43 and other non-governmental email practices (with interviews to occur the week of April 2)
April 5 [House Oversight] Susan Ralston scheduled to give deposition on the White House role in the Jack Abramoff scandal; this will include questions on the gwb43 email server
April 6 [House Oversight] Deadline for Josh Bolten to turn over all paperwork on MZM's contract to
install furnituresanitize the mail in OVPApril 7 [House Oversight] Deadline for information related to DOJ interference in tobacco settlement
April 10 [Closed SSCI hearing] CIA detention
April 12 [Closed SSCI hearing] National Security Letters
April 13 [House Oversight] Deadline for Karl Rove to answer questions regarding the PowerPoint targeting Democrats and potential Hatch Act violations
April 17 Soon to be former AG Alberto Gonzales testifies before Senate Judiciary Committee
April 17 [Closed SSCI hearing] Telecom liability act
April 18 [House Oversight] Condi visits (ha!) Waxman's committee to answer questions on the Niger intelligence and all the other things Condi ignored from 16 letters Waxman wrote her before he got his gavel
April 19 [Closed SSCI hearing] FISA Modernization Legislation
May 17 hearing on the Wilson's lawsuit
June 5 Libby's sentencing hearing
A couple of observations. First, while everyone else DC is putting things on hold during next week's recess, Waxman and the combined Judiciary committees will be very busy interviewing people next week. House Oversight Committee will be figuring out why the hell BushCo appears to be doing business on its own server, while the Judiciary committees will be interviewing all of the people who think they know better than some of the country's top US Attorneys.
Also, note how complementary Waxman's work and that of Judiciary are. Alberto Gonzales' testimony on April 17 is generally titled, "Justice Department Oversight." Depending on what Waxman digs up with his request for more information on the tobacco case, Gonzales may find himself discussing more than just the US Attorney firings.
FWIW, I fully expect Condi to blow off her invitation to visit Waxman's committee on April 18. Meanwhile, Waxman sent a letter to DCI Hayden requesting more information related to Plame's outing, which will give us incrementally more information about how Pat Roberts' SSCI produced a politicized document to support Cheney's claims about the war. And I suspect that if Waxman pursues the MZM inquiry to its logical conclusion, we will learn that (among other things) MZM got hired to politicize the Robb-Silberman report on Iraqi intelligence. In any case, if you've got a special calendar item marked: "Subpoena Showdown over Turdblossom's and Harriet's testimony," you might want to include an item mentioning Condi as well, because this Administration is going to try its damndest to prevent us from proving how they lied us into war.
And finally, note how the gwb43 inquiry jumped to the front of Waxman's oversight queue (the Ralston invite went out today, the request for information from Fielding went out yesterday)? What do you think–maybe Waxman agrees with us that this may be the closet where BushCo keeps all its smoking guns? I'm just dreaming of the day when we get a document dump of all the political dirty tricks Rove has overseen over the last six years.
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I read that someone had set up gwb43.org and had harvested some e-mails meant for gwb43.com. But can’t find the site now.
I wonder whether our net-savvy friends might set up some other honey-traps (or whatever we should call them).
Heheh. Makes me feel all squishy and warm inside.
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Marcy, I can’t find anything on either Judiciary Committee website scheduling a hearing for today. Are you sure of that, and do you have a link?
Prof @
6
It’s a closed interview.
Prof @ 6
Oh, I see that these are interviews, not hearings.
OK, I can get some work done today. Thanks.
Prof @
8
Yep. Better get it done now. Because starting the second week of April things go crazy again.
Why is it acceptable to have to wait until April 17th to hear from Gonzales? What, the guy can’t clear his calendar to address the biggest scandal in DOJ since Nixon?
Somebody tell Peter Zeidenberg not to leave the area. We’ll need him to nail the DOJ Seven.
OT, but, if you missed it Raven, see my comment about Neil EPU’d from last thread.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 10
I don’t know that that works in his (or the Administration’s) favor. That was my point about the data collection that will take place before then: All 7 (6 plus Goodling) DOJ interviews will presumably have taken place by then, and Waxman will have more potentially incriminating information on the GWB43 server and on the Tobacco settlement.
Meanwhile, Abu G hangs around Bush’s and Rove’s neck, dragging them down.
Marcy you are a link with sanity, bless ya! egreious emailed me that you were trying to reach me – my gmail has been squirrely lately so try me here: afholliday AT sbcglobal DOT net. I hope it is about a book tour and I also have some hopeful news I wanted to share with you about a west coast asst. U.S. attorney……when you come up for air.
SCHWEEET!
EW, Question.
Can Condi legally NOT show to Waxmans invite without getting smacked with a contempt charge?
OmiGAWD, A whole string, scads of, an embarrassment of riches of…
Emptywheel Vindication Days!!
Calloo Callay!!!!! :)
I think I just pantsed myself…
drip, drip, drip…
Repost from the previous thread–I’ve posted a transcript of Christy’s interview on the Thom Hartmann Program here.
Bustednuckles @ 15
She would have to be subpoenaed for that to happen. Which would be a HUGE deal. Traditionally, Agency heads are “happy” to accept and invitation to testify. The best she can do is to fill up her calender and delay as long as she possibly can, which considering it is Condi, could be awhile.
Your dream, their nightmare.
Thanks WH.
Dammit.
Bustednuckles @
15
Right now it’s an “invitation.” I would imagine Waxman is approaching subpoenaing someone–particularly someone like Condi–with some degree of caution.
punaise @
17
makes me percolate a little..)
EMPTYWHEEL!!!
Thanks for the great calendar!!!
When do the Contempt of Congress citations start to go out?
Bob in HI
emptywheel @ 22
So, if she accepts will she be under oath?
Thanks so much EW for all this wonderful information. I have a question…what if the repubs. just deny they used those e-mail addies for any whitehouse business. Is there any way to get ahold of those e-mails from the internet service provider? Are e-mails archived at ISP’s, or do they just disappear forever once they are deleted.
Surfmom @ 26
Nothing is deleted forever, keep that in mind when you write em!
GREAT POST!!
I got Randi Rhodes on in the bacground, she had the Schumer/Sampson Fitz session up.
raven @ 25
Right now it’s an “invitation.” I would imagine Waxman is approaching subpoenaing someone–particularly someone like Condi–with some degree of caution.
So, if she accepts will she be under oath?
It is kind of unprecedented to have to subpoena a cabinet official. Just as it would unprecedented for a Cabinet official to simply not show up. It provides Waxman with a bit of a conundrum. High stakes, who’s going to blink first kind of thing.
Prof @
4
Security people set up “honey-pots” on their networks to identify hackers.
raven @ 25
Well, ol’Henry likes to start his hearings by saying, “it is the custom to put everyone who appears before this committee under oath…”
So I presume so. Which is probably why she is unlikely to accept the “invitation.”
March 23 Deadline for Condi to turn over
I don’t think she’ll be flipped just yet.
emptywheel @ 31
Just as I suspected!
marcy,
Are these interview one at a time, and serial? Do they not have an opportunity to coordinate their stories?
Abu Gonzales does an explicky:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..ref=slogin
Great Horsey toon with KKKarl:
KKKARL
Let’s see if Gonzo can say “I don’t know” 123 times!
Sounds like a drinking game to me!
Condi’s just going to run out the clock. She will develop a sudden interest in a Mideast Peace plan, possibly even meet with Iranian envoys in a neutral location like Jordan. Lots and lots of travel for Condi.
Woodhall Hollow @ 29
Keep in mind, though, she has already blown off 16 letters–16!–from Waxman. And he will be asking her how the 16 words got in the SOTU, to which she would have to answer, “well, Bob Joseph weaseled them into the SOTU after being told by Alan Foley they shouldn’t be in there.”
So I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Condi was, um, reluctant to show up.
raven @
27
Ahhh!!! Sweet!!! Those fools.
Mr Waxman proving he can walk, chew gum, and make lists in his mind all at once. The man knows how to juggle, and keep records.
I still say that attention to detail came from likely working with his father in the grocery. It’s something that anyone in retail deals with no matter the aspect of it. Detailed inventory of what’s needed, and finding out what’s missing and WHY.
GO WAXMAN!
jayackroyd @ 34
These dudes have had weeks to coordinate their stories!
Luckovich toon on KKKarl:
KKKarl Again!
Marcy, did you notice that there is no date for Bolten to provide the details of the WH investigation of the Plame leak? I noticed that Waxman’s letter on the subjuect didn’t include a deadline for Bolten to produce this information. And it looks like the the hearings on Plame have gone dormant. How do you interpret this?
emptywheel @ 31
So how do you spin a refusal to come before an oversight committee so that it doesn’t look like you are hiding something? And how does Condi testify under oath without getting herself into trouble?
Marcy, you are amazing.
Here’s a practical question:
News of the gwb43 server was out for some time before the Congressional letter demanding preservation of those records.
As we’re talking Rove central, I’m assuming they went after the physical drives as soon as news broke – before Congress demanded access.
(still likely illegal – but this is Rove)
What legal powers (if any) do the Congressional committees have to compel the US signals collectors (NSA and the like) for copies of the gwb 43/ blackberry/ text msg communications?
[firmly adjusts tinfoil hat]
emptywheel @ 39
One more thing, though. Some (but not all) of the activities Waxman is interseted in here came when she was National Security Advisor which, Bush men like to argue, is entitled to slightly more privilege claims than, say Secretary of State.
Via TPM this morning I read the LAT op-ed piece by Joseph D. Rich from the DoJ where, among other things he pointed out that the USA interim appt, Schlozman ‘weeks before the election brought 4 voter fraud indictments…’
which “blatently contradicted the Dept’s long standing POLICY TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION TO BRING SUCH INDICTMENTS”
I hadn’t heard discussions before this piece about what’s on the books within the DoJ in regard to actual policy on either bringing indictments close to an election and/or any other DoJ policies in place to segregate the arm of DoJ from political will. Perhaps Congress could get a leg up on not just the USA scandal but others as well, by cracking the books of the DoJ itself.
Condi is a real mystery–if you read up about her background, she was the ultimate straight arrow, goody two shoes; not the type to get her hands dirty. (though she is obviously all too willing to avert her gaze from in inconvenient truth.)
I remember reading somewhere that her father, with whom she was very close, died in Dec 2000. Apparently he was not happy that she was considering giving up her solid career at Stanford and going to work for the Bushies. She accepted her position as NSA just after her father died, so he never knew.
So, if she accepts will she be under oath?
Well, ol’Henry likes to start his hearings by saying, “it is the custom to put everyone who appears before this committee under oath…”
So I presume so. Which is probably why she is unlikely to accept the “invitation.”
So how do you spin a refusal to come before an oversight committee so that it doesn’t look like you are hiding something? And how does Condi testify under oath without getting herself into trouble?
Well, it’s just a perjury trap, right?
portia.vz @ 44
Right. And the Hayden letter doesn’t include a deadline. I’m not sure what to make of it. Will try to figure out, though.
Terry Olson @
35
Shorter Abu G.:
“It’s all Evil Radar’s fault! He lied to Congress yesterday! I’m not the liar — he is! Or maybe Harriet Miers! But it wasn’t me! Or Karl! Honest!”
Morris Sheppard @ 45
Well, it took a subpoena threat to get the WH to let Knodell (the designated fall guy for the Plame panel) testify. And he’s just a civil servant employee who wasn’t involved in the central lies. So I suspect that WH will fight this mightily.
emptywheel @ 39
Oh she will stall as long as she can. It’s up to Waxman. I assume that at this point he has only politely requested documentation. At some point he can begin to issue demands. He will give her a long leash (first) with which to hang herself later.
punaise @ 17
pour, pour, pour . . .
I suspect congressional democrats know exactly what they’re doing with both the pace and execution of their investigations. I think they’re doing a very good job up till this point.
That said, the political racketeering and utterly corrupt behavior of the GOP since 2000 can never be thoroughly investigated. Or rather, it would take the next twenty years to turn over every rock of criminal scandal were their wrongdoing properly dealt with.
I am in favor of the establishment of a South Africa-style Truth Commission. Identify and address the specific area’s of constitutional subversion by the executive branch (in particular) and their enablers in congress and the private sector, with the guarantee of immunity for truth tellers.
Is Monica Goodling actually being interviewed in private, after having pleaded the fifth amendment to avoid the Senate Judiciary Committee subpoena?
And are these really House and Senate interviews? TMP only mentioned the House, and I thought that Leahy and the SJC were not yet buying into private interviews.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 38
Why doesn’t Waxman go for Rice’s deputy instead?
I’ve been very impressed with the hearings in the past few weeks. Elections do matter.
Couple of unrelated things.
1. these behind the door interviews/testimony. Will they be transcribed and eventually available to us?
2. if Monica Goodling is a member of the Virginia bar, may we file complaints about her being an atty and taking the 5th?
raven at 50 says:
she’s been under oath before, it’s just that now with all the investigations and sunlight, her perjury may become more evident. She going to be twisting herself into knots.
Thanks for the post.
(I have been listening to the hearings on Iraqi refugees and it has been wholly damning to bushco, the State Dept and us)
eCAHNomics @ 58
Now that is a thought! The problem is that the Niger stuff happened under Colin Powell’s watch, so I doubt that many of Powell’s people would still be around, and if they were, they wouldn’t recall.
I wonder why Waxman doesn’t haul Powell or Armitage up there…
I love to see Waxman’s shining smile! Thanks for this bit of housekeeping, EW
JW @ 56
get them all under a microscope with a Truth and Reckon Cilia Shun Commission
According to press reports, there will be a transcript made, which will be made available after consultation with the DOJ.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 42
Sure, sparkles, but you can only coordinate the first order of the story, and a general framework of how to deal with unexpected questions. How you manage second, third and fourth order questions cannot be fully managed. Moreover, you can meet and nod your heads and all agree to stick to the story line, but when you’re in the room by yourself with none of your collaborators there, you may well decide to move off the agreed line, out of self protection. (See the prisoner’s dilemma.)
This, of course, is why interrogations are done this way. It’s not that hard to break down a story when there are only two players. When you move it up to 8, by the time the fourth shows up, you can use material from previous interviews to elicit materials the witness didn’t plan to give out.
I hope McNulty is last.
Renee in Ohio @ 18
Thx R-in-O-hi-O. I listened on air. Now I can go back and find the money quotes. Thanks again.
Woodhall Hollow @ 49
Power corrupts and all that.
Prof @ 4
i think it was greg palast.
Woodhall Hollow @ 19
She would have start globe hopping
Woodhall Hollow @ 62
No, the Deputy in question would be Stephen Hadley (who was DNSA under Condi and is now NSA himself). He received warnings not to use the Niger intell in October 2002 (Condi almost certainly did as well–that’s one thing Henry would like to discuss, no doubt).
And Mr. 16 words himself, Bob Joseph, was Special Assistant to COndi before, then was the Undersecretary of State who replaced Bolton at State, but has recently left so BushCo can try to make peace with the North Koreans. He’d make a nice witness too. I think he’s in a kind of Rummy holding position, on the government dole, but not in an obvious way.
But State under Powell, with the notable exception of Bolton’s department, was not responsible for any of the bad intell. They knew it sucked.
When is the Congress going to pass legislation forbidding an attack
on Iran without Congressional authorization? When is Congress
going to pass legislation forbidding the Executive branch from
declaring Martial law without Congressional authorization? When is
the Congress going to repeal the Patriot Act provision of declaring
United States citizens enemy combatants without due process?
These investigations by Congress are essential. In the meantime
a war with Iran is looming closer and closer. We need to start
talking about the blowback domestically yet alone internationally.
Would like to see the Congress get more pro-active in protecting
our civil liberties.
She would have to start globe hopping.
Problem is, nobody, not even the Saudis want to see her. Everyone is sick to death of her.
Unless she wanted to start dealing with Iran…but then Darth Cheney wouldn’t let that happen.
I’m tellin’ ya, subpoena the backup tapes for the GWB43.com mailservers….
Randi is saying one of listeners e-mailed that everytime Sampson tells a lie he shook his head 3 times!
LOL
Does anyone do tape backups anymore? I was under the impression the emails were stored on hard drives.
Maybe Tenet’s book will reveal all. Date of publication = April 30.
kirk murphy @ 46
There may a tech person or two who really doesn’t want to face an obstruction of justice charge. One of the dirty secrets of the tech business is that security processes are frequently violated for exigency reasons. (There was a time I was handed a CD with all the employee compensation information for an F500 company, including address and comp info for the executive suite, in complete and utter violation of their security policies, in order to facilitate the completion of a project that was considered mission critical.)
These folks have an enormous incentive to CYA by taking a tape or two home.
OT
I don’t know if anyone has brought this up yet but the FDA is set to approve meat & milk prodcts from cloned animals safe to sell to the public in supermarkets & to restaurants by the end of 2007. Since these cloned products are “safe”, the FDA does not feel they need to be labled. The FDA is taking public comments on their website until April 2nd, but (surprise) it’s not easy to find the comment section. The Center for Food Safety has info on this, just click on cloned animals.
So who benefits from this? The public sure isn’t clamoring for cloned meat & milk. To top it off, we won’t even have a choice when we buy meat & milk at the supermarket, eat out, or what our kids get for lunch in school.
Woodhall Hollow @ 73
Hmm, she might get so desperate that trips to Baghdad and Kabul would be required.
Oh wait, there’s always her counterpart in Canada. Didn’t the media practially have them in bed? Surely we need a sudden assload of diplomacy with Canada.
jayackroyd @ 78
I lost you with that last sentence. How does taking a tape or two home cover your ass? I would think that you could get into enormous trouble for taking privileged/classified info out of the WH?
All the bodies are buried in gwb43. There’s no doubt in my mind, however, that they set up this account as much to avoid the preservation of documents as to operate in the dark. I doubt very much useful material will be recovered.
But a boy can dream!
Sam @ 72
These investigations are to build the political will to get all that legislation passed.
The public has to be howling for it. All the public. So, start howling. CAll and write your Congresscritters
SERIOUS SUGGESTION:
Some rich person (Larry Flynt again?) should offer a boat load of money to any anonymous leaker in the RNC who turns over those extra-White House emails or email logs.
$5 million? $10 million?
That’s chump change to some, but could be convincing to others–such as hungry, demoralized RNC staff.
Woodhall Hollow @ 73
I hear Antartica can be lovely this time of year. *g*
emptywheel @ 71
Hadley & Joseph would be perfect. As for State, they might have known it was garbage but Powell used it at UN anyway. I’d love to see him on the hotseat explaining all that. Also, Armitage, we learned, is a gossip. What’s the chance he could stop himself from giving away the family jewels on the stand? It’s not like the narrow range of questions in the Libby trial.
bless you, ironranger.
Since GM taters kill off mammals, I’d never knowingly eat GM (cloned) animals or drink GM (cloned) dairy products.
Yecch.
Thanks for getting out the word.
_______________________________
and thanks jayackroyd -
that gives me hope…
Re scheduling sick days, I recommend:
“I will have been not feeling well.”
looseheadprop @ 70
emptywheel @ 46 “Keep in mind, though, she has already blown off 16 letters–16!–from Waxman. And he will be asking her how the 16 words got in the SOTU, to which she would have to answer, “well, Bob Joseph weaseled them into the SOTU after being told by Alan Foley they shouldn’t be in there.”
Admit it if you knew Bob Joseph’s and Alan Foley’s roles in the 16 words in the SOTU. If you’re like me, you didn’t dut I’m learning more everyday thanks to people like emptywheel and the other firepups.
looseheadprop @ 85
She better bring her Ferragamo hip waders cause it’s a-meltin.
dut = but
Brisingamen @ 75
IANACP (computer programmer) but it strikes me that disappearing hard drives is not as easy as it sounds. Do they have hard drives dedicated to gwb43, or do they share? Also getting someone to go into the facility, figure out which ones are the right ones, disabling them, marching out with them in your gwb43 totebag would raise some eyebrows and risk a whistle blower.
The chickens are coming home to roost in Nevada:
Nevada turkeys
ew at 47:
One more thing, though. Some (but not all) of the activities Waxman is interseted in here came when she was National Security Advisor which, Bush men like to argue, is entitled to slightly more privilege claims than, say Secretary of State.
You think this is a baseless claim? The NSA is not confirmed, right? And the NSA role is, by design, one that would justify a stronger executive privilege claim. I mean, a good NSA adviser should carry around in her head a lot of information about motives and goals of the principals. Seems to me that the candor argument actually does seem to apply to the NSA more than almost any other adviser.
Neil @ 90
LOL, I’m not allowed to come when Joe Wilson speaks anymore, because he always asks, “Who out there knows who put the 16 words in the SOTU.”
Having someone in teh audience raise her hand kind of ruins the trick.
LHP @ 83, the other thing these hearings do is to control the daily media–which is why it is so smart that Waxman is keeping the momentum going (with help from Leahy and Conyers). Notice how suddenly Bush is out all over the place making public appearances and giving speeches, when normally he likes to stay hidden away in the Oval Office. They are trying to keep him and his war at the top of the news summaries, and to try to distract from all the corruption scandals.
Not working out too well though. This whole thing is coming together like a perfect storm. It is a strange twist of good fortune that the Rovians et al were so full of hubris that they never even contemplated the idea that they could loose either the House or the Senate before Bush was out of office. Remember Rove’s grand plan to install a permanent Republican majority? He actually believed that he could pull it off, and we are seeing the dirty work that was done in that effort.
Hubris always precedes a great fall. The gods to not like to be superseded, particularly by the likes of Bush and Rove and Cheney.
Woodhall Hollow @ 81
The servers in question AREN’T inside the WH, they’re owned by the Republican National Party and are probably at the party’s HQ.
The reason this is so serious is that doing government business on an outside server is a big no-no. First, it violates the Presidential Records Act, and second, since some of the fools are accessing the email accounts from WH computer, I’m given to understand it breaches security on those computers to a fare-thee-well…
Regular Federal employees aren’t supposed access outside servers with their work computers either.
Does anyone know what Abu’s responsibility is to show up on the 17th if he is no longer AG at that time?
The Democrats in Congress are going to need to establish a triage center to cope with the tidal wave of pus and decay that is being released as a result of their investigatory oversight.
The deep rot in every governmental agency has been festering under Republican neglect for the past six years, and many of the patients are clinically dead.
Of course, the attempts to stanch the gangrenous atrophy will be called “overreach” and “partisan politcal witch hunts” by our noble commentariat and the dedicated gatekeepers of public information in the corporate media.
I hope the American public has the stomach to watch and not turn away in disgust.
jayackroyd @ 95
No, I think your points are really good.
Though the logic behind the privilege claim, for Poppy, at least, is so Raygun could run off the books covert foreign policy through the NSC with no oversight.
Luckily, in Bush Nightmare Jr, that off the books stuff is run through OVP, who claims he is both executive and legistaive and therefore immune from all oversight. So we don’t have to worry about NSC.
Right?
(ok, that is not what it looked like in preview…to lhp @ 70 “she would have (to) start globehopping” i added: perhaps Cheney can forward his last trip intinerary to Condi for review.)
Brisingamen @ 98
Oh, duh, I get it. Taking the tape home dissapears the record. Sort of like Nixon’s 18 minutes.
My dog Jake came up with a cool travel gift to MC Rove.
Send him off to that new skywalk over the Grand Canyon
and have him bungee jump off the platform some 4000′ above
the canyon floor. Jake wonders what he pants are full of when he
comes up?
In the meantime lets say some prayers for a safe journey for
Pelosi, Waxman et al as they traveling in the Middle East right now..
Sparkles the Iguana @ 77
Would the CIA allow Tenant to publish anything newsworthy? Valerie is having (had) trouble getting permission to publish.
rosalind @ 102
Yah, I noticed that Gonzo was traveling recently while HIS rep was being shredded in DC. Seems to be catching on :)
Woodhall Hollow @ 97
The other beautiful thing is that my fear that all the scandals would divert from the war (which John Q. Public hates) is NOT coming true b/c Shrub is now tying himself even more tightly to his own disasterous war at a time when he should be trying to distance himself from it.
Why did Rove fail? Election Monitoring, my great love.
Why are the whistleblowers suddenly coming into the light? CAuse PatFitz proved you CAN stand up to these mutts and win.
egregious @ 88
good. i can feel it coming on now.
I’m lovin’ gwb43.org. No claim of executive privlege because it’s not the White House line. The buried bodies will rise and the judiciary will smote this tribe of outlaws. America, and Waxman strike back.
Email has a habit of replicating. If that means sending US Marshals into the White House to take away personal computers, then so be it. And if you’re a network admin, and face charges of destroying presidential records as defined by the Presidential Records Act, you may well recall where the backup tapes are stored.
I’ve been emailing the Oversight Committee with ongoing thoughts about the gwb43.com thing, not least that the SmartTech SMTP servers appear to have no kind of encryption capabilities.
(Oh, and Palast got forwarded the ‘voter purge’ stuff from the guy behind georgewbush.org.)
emptywheel @
101
speaking of which – are any of these hearings on the fast track toward testing the both executive and legislative legend? The sooner that one gets put to rest, the better.
emptywheel @ 96
I heard Austin Sarat stopped using that device too, back in the late 80’s. ;~)
I hope you know you have many fans, supporters and admirers. You make things happen EW. Good things.
StealthBadger @
74
I doubt they still use ‘tape’ backups. It’s probably optical disks or something disk-like. Still, finding out where they are and who has them will take a bit of detective work and getting their ‘cold dead hands’ to release them will take some work. In the end it will all be worth it to discover all their dirty little secrets, so we blabbermouths can reveal them to the world.
One of y’day’s talking points at the Senate hearing was that only Tim Griffin was appointed under the Patriot Act. That’s not true per TPM today–the former head of the Civil Rights section, Brad Szolman (sp?) was too. Is anyone going to bring that up?
Taking the tape home (in this case I’d see what I could get on a thumb drive) means you’ve got the emails and can produce them when necessary.
Right now, I’d say the Rove Circle emails would make ideal blackmail material if I were one of the IT people for the Repugs.
Hell — if you know the right commands you could probably get the Repug HQ servers to up-chuck the emails to some other server you have access to…
Hubris always precedes a great fall. The gods to not like to be superseded, particularly by the likes of Bush and Rove and Cheney.
Except when they get away with it–and since they do, we don’t know how often this happens.
Has anyone here covered the commentator on MSNBC’s Scarborough calling for Rosie O’Donnell’s execution?
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/215
I don’t know if this is the right thread, but this comes as the result of the newly appointed USA bushies. The American people lose.
Neil @ 112
Fairly certain Sarat doesn’t know who I am, having only taken one class from him, the near-requisite “Authority and Sexuality” that half the five colleges take right before Wednesday Night Tap.
Mind you, I did well. But not well enough to stick out among the other 150 smart people in the room. Christy was probably there, too!
woodhall hollow at 81
I lost you with that last sentence. How does taking a tape or two home cover your ass? I would think that you could get into enormous trouble for taking privileged/classified info out of the WH?
I’m talking about RNC communications.
moe99 @ 114
I don’t think that job requires Senate confirmation, but I could be wrong
jayackroyd @ 120
I got that after the fact (dense, here). I could easily see someone at the RNC doing as you describe.
Brisingamen @ 115
from someone’s keyboard to….
public mega-data dump.
enticing.
Ralston is certainly up to her eyeballs in Roves nefarious shit.
Any odds on another one taking the fifth?
Terry Olson @ 104
Did I see somewhere that Valerie was letting Tenet’s book run interference for her?
The other brilliant thing about all these hearings is that it shows that any future appointments will have to be able to withstand intense scrutiny. Which is the only reason Abu Gonzo hasn’t yet been thrown under the bus. His replacement would have to be approved, first by Leahy’s committee, and then by the entire Senate. Bush and Rove don’t want to face that prospect.
Brisingamen @ 98
No, actually, from what I understand the servers are locked in a vault of some type in the basement of a bank in ??? Tennessee. [Can’t remember what city.]
Not that the folks who have them under lock and key aren’t big fans of Little Boots, mind you. But the servers are NOT in DC.
What’s the intel on activities in these effected DC offices. Lots of late night work, going through files? Panicing staffers? Lots of consumption of Tums? If things are not on the up and up, these people will get nervous and make mistakes.
Bustednuckles @ 124
She is such small fry, that it would be worth it to give her a blanket immunity. Then she would be in tremendous legal jeopardy if she didn’t testify fully. “not remembering” wouldn’t get here very far in that situation and could set her up for charges of contempt of congress.
I’ve been assuming Tenet has more loyalty to Bush than to the Agency and its employees. Hope I’m dead wrong. His book will certainly be revealing about many things.
Mrs. K8 @ 127
Mmm, wonder how secure their network is… and whether anyone at the NSA/FBI/CIA has been doing a little peeking in the last few years…
Ed*ard Teller @ 117
good grief! Danny Bonaduce aka Danny Partridge of the Partridge Family???
Yikes.
Wow, we’re beginning to sound like Republics–anything goes. Not that I wouldn’t like a long look at what is on those renegade servers.
How is it possible that with all my reading, here and elsewhere, I had never heard/read the name ‘Bob Joseph’ before? Sheesh.
About gwb43.com: I’d expect the people working on that are mostly zealots who would die to protect the e-mail backups. But, you can also feel certain that they do indeed have the backups, just as the Nixon WH and the Nazis kept records. It’s in their blood. They have to have records to show off what they’ve done to all their friends and future generations. It’s just a matter of finding them.
Aside: I have a friend who as assigned (as part of his work) destroying old computer disks. He said it was devilishly hard. He’d take them out in the parking lot and pound on them with hammers and they just wouldn’t dent or scratch. Apparently that’s how they stand up to the spin speeds and being moved around (think laptops). But, eventually he learned there is actually a device made specifically for destroying old disks.
I suspect the e-mail backups will be found on something like a CD-ROM and if it wasn’t for the egos involved they could be destroyed with a pair of scissors or by simply bending them in-two. Our chances of recovering them is good because those who have them will either cop a deal because they’re not fanatics or because they just can’t stand to see their ‘work product’ destroyed, even if it means jail time.
I don’t know if I agree with Ralston being such a small fry exactly.
Wasn’t her office real close to Chimpy’s?
She knows where a lot of body’s are buried I’m thinking.
I remember, several weeks ago, Leahy ripping Gonzo over the case involving the poor Canadian man who was picked up at JFK (on his way back to Canada from a Florida vacation) and shipped over to Syria to be tortured for about 10 months. Gonzo was supposed to give him a report on that (since apparently DoJ had done NOTHING) the following week. Wondering what happened with that – anybody heard anything?
Very interesting what is happening in NM. A new USA has not been appointed, so the office is still being run by the Assitant USA, and today he indicted 4 people for corruption. The very case that Wilson and Domenici called him about, and for which he was fired.
“The assistant United States attorney, Jonathon Gerson, said that the 26-count indictment had stemmed from an investigation that lasted more than a year.
Sticking up for his old boss, it seems!
Sally @ 129
Read somewhere that he feels really burned personally and that he feels that W really burned CIA. Remember, he spent all that time during Clinton trying to reestablish the Agency’s past glory. Although Tenet felt personally grateful to W for keeping him on, CIA had such garbage heeped on it after 9/11, Tenet’s loyalty may have withered.
Anyhow, surprisingly, very little seems to have leaked about the book, so maybe there’s no revelations.
emptywheel @ 101
There is profound problem when people in power poke around and say, “aha!! this is the best way to circumvent the constitution. These fools have created a space where I can hide my dirty tricks because in a world where we actually care about the constitution and effective governance, these spaces should be protected from review.” A President, or a CEO or even just a freakin’ guy trying to design effective network security needs to be able to speak frankly.
It’s not surprising that these people would exploit this need for candor to defend the extirpation of our legal system.
LHP –
I love your comment @ #107.
For a while it seemed as though their strategy was to drown us in a tsunami of scandal — we wouldn’t know where to turn first, and no one scandal would gain too much attention.
But I think it’s easy to turn that around on them — without doing much of anything!
Georgie is already very low in the polls. Pretty soon it will be impossible for your average citizen to hear anything whatsoever about the administration that isn’t completely drenched in shameless scandal. The default reaction will be to assume that whenever an administration spokesperson opens his/her mouth, lies will spew forth.
This is a very good place at which to arrive, and well-deserved, too. The day will come when the very word “Bush” will be both a curse word and a tool for parents to use to frighten their misbehaving children.
Let’s say they DO scrub the GWB43.com drives…
Isn’t that just further bad publicity for them? And not just bad publicity, but “more” criminal under the Pres Records act? If It’s violating the act to NOT archive presidential communications, I’m thinking it’s got to be doubly bad to erase what could be legitimate presidential records, no?
Are there any criminal sanctions for avoiding the PRA? If you’re some computer tech in Tennesse, do you want to be responsible for erasing those drives?
Correct me if I’m wrong (and IANAL) but if these are legitimate presidential staff communications, and they’e been put into a different system to avoid the PRA’s record keeping requirements, and you destroy those communications, aren’t we getting into OOJ and criminal conspiracy territory?
Bustednuckles @ 135
A small fry, when all is said and done. Or a bright shiny object. Rove is the real deal. In reality, she is similar to Sampson, an empty-headed tool.
LBrowne @ 131
The thought I enjoy is that there are agency people who have putting some stuff away for a rainy day in the form of blackmail insurance.
These clowns have made so very many enemies in the past six years, they can’t turn their backs in ANY direction for fear of a knife being planted therein.
Sally @ 133
I wasn’t suggesting snooping on them myself — wouldn’t know how to, for starters. Doesn’t stop me from hoping that someone will come forward with emails that will otherwise mysteriously fail to be part of those that have been “archived and saved” as Perrino averred in today’s presser. I’d wager that there are still a lot of career Feds who don’t appreciate the destruction that’s been wrought on our government in recent years.
I agree Rove is #1 on my list for sure.
I was pissed off when he wriggled out of Fitz’ grasp.
If he did.
Mandrake @ 136
Canada has apologized profusely and cleared Mr Arar’s record on their side. They’ve also fired the RCMP responsable for the mistake in general. They’re still trying to get an apology out of the Shrub admin, but i dont’ think they’re holding their breath. They’ve also done away with some of the nastier parts of ’security act’ over there. Parliament basically told Harper to suck it. *grins* They get their privacy and basic rights and will protect them.
At the moment? I *heart* Ottawa.
steve @ 141
That’s certainly how I would view the situation, but then I also am NAL.
BIG OT – To the cat and dog lovers – regarding pet food recall – melamine (sp?) has been found in the contaminated food. This is a substance used to make platics. The contaminated wheat gluten was also shipped to dry pet food manufacturers but the FDA refuses to say who that is. So the recall could be expanded to dry pet food. They are now investigating if this wheat gluten made it into human food.
Dee @
148
more info here...
Woodhall Hollow @
19
I hear there’s going to be a wicked sale at Manolo Blahnik’s on April 18th.
About those mail servers… They’re in Chattanooga, TN. 801 Broad street, which used to be a bank (Pioneer Bank), and the vault of which is now the environmentally stable and physically secure housing for the server farm run by SMARTech Corp. (home page http://www.smartechcorp.net ).
Dave Johnson has a must read post on this
Ed*ard Teller @ 117
I would be willing to sacrifice Rosie if it would be paired with Ann Coulter’s execution for advocating assassination of Supreme Court justices.
MarkH @ 134
The scenario we’re envisaging is that the tech staff is told to delete a whole bunch of stuff. Permanently. Leave aside that permanently is harder than you think–the RNC will have a process in place to move backups to an offsite location. You’d have to retrieve the weekly, monthly or quarterly tapes that are archived offsite and delete them, selectively (you don’t want to lose data you do want to backup) too. This is a major operation.
At some point, probably very early, a tech guy is gonna say, WTF. The whole point of backups is that we don’t delete them. We can decide not to restore them, but there is no earthly reason to delete them unless I’m being asked to cover up illegal activity. And so any sensible IT guy is gonna keep a copy.
Dee @ 148
Boy, am I ever glad that the pupster, in recovering from cancer surgery, has been put on “low carb” dog food. There is evidence that this type of diet is better for dogs with cancer, as the sugar into which carbs metabolize serves as yummy nutrition for cancer cells. There is no form of wheat in her food (kibble) at all — what little there is in the way of carb content comes from veggies and fruit (blueberries).
We also eat in a modified Atkins sort of way (carbs primarily in the form of veggies and low-glycemic-index fruits), but we do occasionally eat commercially produced whole grain bread.
Is wheat gluten of dubious source a problem in such breads? Are there other products to be on the look-out for where wheat gluten is a kind of “hidden” ingredient? Will be grateful if anyone knows and can comment.
OH yes. and Also? DHS has refused to take Mr. Arar off their lists even though he has been proven innocent. INNOCENT! He’s still branded a criminal by this criminal government. Hypocracy and a meanness that i can not comprehend. It drives me insane.
Kirk Spencer @ 151
Thank you very much, Kirk! Couldn’t remember the name of the municipality and was too damned lazy to go digging into week-old history files.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 153
The ‘commentator’ is frickin’ Danny Partridge (post rehab and anger management counseling)
LBrowne @ 143
Yeah. Or somebody like Ari Fleischer. Remember in Plamegate he couldn’t wait to spill his guts-in exchange for immunity to be sure, but what the hey. Most of these guys are bullies, which means they ar chicken when under attack. And there’s much serious stuff that’s been going on with bad consequences for those who get caught.
Mandrake @ 136
Gonzo is busy now saving us from porn.
Mack @ 158
I would be willing to sacrifice Rosie if it would be paired with Ann Coulter’s execution for advocating assassination of Supreme Court justices.
The ‘commentator’ is frickin’ Danny Partridge (post rehab and anger management counseling)
Man, people say despicable things when they’re desperate for some airtime.
aliasofwestgate @ 146
I did know the head of the RCMP was fired over it but since we were involved also (he was picked up at JFK and shipped to Syria from there, was my understanding) and Leahy was fired up over this thing – I mean he went into this diatribe about us being the beacon of freedom and how the rest of the world views us now – he was seriously angry b/c Gonzo would not give him an answer on what happened, whether they were investigating it, zero. Gonzo said he could get him something in a week and Leahy said okay, “but I won’t wait more than a week!”
It was such a satisfying moment, it really stuck in my mind.
Mack –
While channel surfing I saw Scarb’s program with Mr. Partridge on the screen, and kept right on going.
In a world full of bright political analysts, they gotta put THIS clown on? What a frickin’ joke.
The first 15 minutes of Scarborough is usually really good, before the descent into Danny Partridge/Sanjaya Hairdo/Miss USA and To Catch a Predator clips.
On NPR roundup:
“Attorney General Albert Gonzales, in his latest clarification of his statements in the matter of …”
Drip, drip, drip, …
Badwater re Gonzo saving us from porn:
Here’s what they mean by protecting children from pornography:
RESTRICTIONS ON THE INTERNET.
Be afraid.
My cred: a family member who currently works to investigate and trap such predators. They don’t need any additional tools. Such attempts will be tried in Congress but the purpose is to control US, the blogging community, their only remaining opposition.
The scenario we’re envisaging is that the tech staff is told to delete a whole bunch of stuff. Permanently. Leave aside that permanently is harder than you think–the RNC will have a process in place to move backups to an offsite location. You’d have to retrieve the weekly, monthly or quarterly tapes that are archived offsite and delete them, selectively (you don’t want to lose data you do want to backup) too. This is a major operation.
It is worse than that, if you destroy records the other side can subpoena the server and do what is known as a data dive, that is not just what they are looking for, but anything else that is interesting
At some point, probably very early, a tech guy is gonna say, WTF. The whole point of backups is that we don’t delete them. We can decide not to restore them, but there is no earthly reason to delete them unless I’m being asked to cover up illegal activity. And so any sensible IT guy is gonna keep a copy.
more likely the tech guy decides he is not their fall guy and if anyone is going to jail for destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice it is not going to be the tech guy
technology people in DC are very conscious of these things
I haven’t heard anything on our side either about Leahy’s involvement. I have a feeling it’s been set aside because right now they’ve got a bigger case to work on. Which is the USA issue. If i remember it happened just before this thing became so big. Either one of them has the potential to take down Gonzales. Avoiding them both won’t work, either.
(I refuse to call him Gonzo, it’s an affront to my favorite Muppet. The adorably weird one that i still love.)
Mrs. K8 @
163
I believe his name is Danny Bonadouchebag.
I still say Karl’s strategy is to increase the worth of Gonzo as a “High Value Target”..
Like, “If I give you this head, will you go away.”
I think Bush and Rove are circling the wagons. But, one argument to this is Sara Taylor – Jennings boss – resigning.
Maybe this is a “decoy” so everyone will go after her, Goodling along with Sampson who are now “free wheeling” and Our Benighted Emperor does not look like he is being uncooperative;
“These guys don’t work for me anymore, so you are on your own. I can’t tell them what to do.”
Someone needs to flip. Taylor is another one of the Young Repugs – age 33 or 34 – who Rove and Bush have surrounding them. Lots of bodies to throw overboard for the ship’s ballast.
prostratedragon @ 165
hee hee hee
egregious @ 166
I hear he wants to start with the extensive porn at a site called TPM Muckrakers. Muckrakers? Rhymes with F@ckstreakers, it must be porn. Can’t let them do that, you know.
Is there somewhere I can find an organizational chart of the White House, with the names of people in the positions? I have a hard time keeping all the people straight. It would be interesting to do some research about how many people in the White House have resigned since ‘01 and where they are now.
I’m predicting that the GWB43 files will be discovered in multiple locations, and that along the way to comparing the files’ histories, evidence of tampering, destruction of evidence and so on will emerge. Probably around June.
Alice –
What about tech people in Chattanooga TN? That’s where the servers are. Hope they are just as self-preservation-minded and aware of the implications.
Twolf –
I stand corrected! And will note the appropriate spelling of his name in future. ;-)
With years of data mining by the DOD (from Adm. Poindexter’s TIA programs kept alive even after TIA was “stopped”), the telco’s “splice rooms” (allowing complete copying of all domestic phon/net traffic to the US Govt), and whatever the NSA is legally authorized to collect [including the US domestic signals traffic thoughtfully collected by the UK and Australia under the Echelon project], all traffic into/out of gwb43 and all other servers is already copied and in US government hands.
Sure hope someone on Waxman’s team – and Leahy’s – is working contacts from the intel community to locate those records (and the inevtiable copies).
LBrowne @ 131
I’ve asked this question a couple of times over the last few days without an answer. Unfortunately, its usually been at the end of a thread.
How are the going to ensure they really get the gwb43 and rnc emails? The administration has no credibility. Why should we believe they’re going to be forthcoming?
Puesto @ 170
I am loving the number of bodies being tossed out. Not because I’m into slasher movies, but because it’s a sign of just how scared they are and of how close Waxman and Leahy are getting. Rove is scared. Bush is scared. Color me jubilant.
Badwater @ 160
Gonzo was sent “out of town” while his underlings were told by Karl to shred and delete. When the job is done, you can come home. Gonzo is too stupid to stand in front of the cameras and not fuck up Rove’s shred and delete operation.
When is Waxman going to issue a Subpoena Duces Tecum for someone to come in with the RNC e-mails?
amy @ 173
Did a Google this morning on Sara Taylor Whitehouse, or something.. The Washington Post did a list of Our Benighted Emperor’s staff, sorted by salary, the latest in 2005. She makes $133,000/yr, Rove makes $161,000, etc. Has the all.. I’ll see if I have the sight still in my browser memory..
amy @ 173
Amy; Here is is..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..listb.html
LBrowne @ 178
Someone needs to do a post topped with pics of Taylor & Goodling. Birds of a feather? Boobsey twins? Stepford assistants?
Puesto @ 179
Hey! I feel like we’re in that great scene between Jamie Curtis & John Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda — “OOh, talk Latin to me!!!”
:) :) Ya, that would be a nice thing to see…
amy @ 173
Well I was going to suggest Froomkin but his WH staff list hasn’t been updated since 2005, wtf? And his salary list and West Wing floorplan haven’t been updated since 2006….
Didn’y Victoria Toensing mislead or in faxct lie to congress over Valatie Wilson’s status? Isn’t it a lie to suggest you somehow know more than the facts? I hope she’s not excused by simply saying”the way I understand” in all of her comments. yo, a lie ia a lie is a smear.
Trivia about Danny:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Bonaduce
Puesto @ 180
I saw that too, but there are so many Deputies and Assistants, it is hard to figure out who’s office they work in. It’s interesting that almost all of the major departments of the gov’t. have their org charts on their main website, the White House doesn’t have one. Hmmm…
S.O.S. from MA @ 183
Ooh, I feel like we’re in that great scene between Jamie Curtis & John Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda — “OOh, talk Latin to me!!!”
Carpe diem.. excited yet?
Loved that movie. I’ve watched it a dozen times and laugh my ass off each time.
re my earlier post, just looked in palast’s book “armed madhouse”. he’d gotten some emails about caging lists that were mistakenly sent to georgewbush.org instead of georgewbush.com (same guy – John A. Wooden also has the site WhiteHouse.org). i don’t see anything about gwb43
Mack @ 158
Oh Danny Boy -
We hardly knew ‘ye.
What a vile comment!
What a tactical gift!
Nasty celebrity = name recognition (even Danny).
Good celebrity = dear sweet defenseless Rosie. (snif)
Strategic goal: destroy advertiser support for cable hate news.
Tactical targets: Who paid for Danny’s fatwa on Rosie?
MSNBC adverisers on that segment.
MSNBC just gave the netroots the chance to do to them what spocko did to KSFO – permanently damage the credibility and funding of hate video/radio.
Even Danny Partridge has a part to play.
But not enough to get him an agent.
Sorry, Danny.
Don’t think I love you.
Great update post EW. You are a master blogger. You make it so easy for us. I am getting very very confused. It woud be nice if the vintage press would join in and try to forget the stories about mohawking singers. I’m holding out my vacation days for the big I.
I usually judge Bush by his swag.
Wag the Swag, georgie
kirk murphy @
123
Um, I suspect if one really wanted to wave some cash around, they could buy all the emails that have gone in/out of Smartech and any and all of the domains that Smartech hosted.
If an average citizen armed with a plain old laptop can see what these morons were doing, you can bet that every nation who has a vested interest in knowing already had a sniffer in place and has it all.
(Maybe that’s one reason why the Saudis turned their back on Bushie rather abruptly…)
There are a couple other sources that will have picked up all the traffic of relevance. One of them is the NSA.
It’s out there; it could well come down to somebody having a strategic discussion with the head of the RNC and saying, “Look, we have EVERYTHING on you, we can wipe your party off the face of the future with all of the info. Perhaps you’d like to be cooperative and save your party?”
Marcy, aren’t you on the road to a lovely weekend away with Mr. EW? Give a shout if you’re headed north our way. ;-)
Amy @ 173
Why don’t you make it up?
Mandrake@136
aliasofwestgate@146
Mandrake@162
a bit of further info on the actions of the Can Gov’t in this sordid matter.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti…..hub=Canada
The Canadian cabinet Minister ( Stockwell Day ?) met with Am officials who showed him ‘additional information’ on why Arar should remain on The List. When Day got home politely called the info a bunch of BS.
Hey, Marcy – have a great weekend!
Rayne @ 192
Yup. Have a good weekend everyone!! I’m off (going south, not north).
EW, Wed night tap survived the demise of the fraternities! Cool. Hamilton (Chi Phi) used to host it. I had Sarat for Poli Sci 11 back in the day. I saw him at Basketball games last winter. A friend in college archives is digging out the history of women’s rugby at the college. I’ll let you know what I learn if you’re interested.
Puesto @ 188
Loved that movie. I’ve watched it a dozen times and laugh my ass off each time.
Is it hot in here, or what?? :)
Yah, Wanda is one of those movies that if it’s on and I sit down to “watch a few minutes,” I find that I’ve finished it…
Zee @ 177
They’re problem in not turning over everything is you never know who’s going pop out of the woodwork with a GWB43 email…
So let’s say Rove emailed person A. And they scrub Rove’s email, and there’s no email to Person A in the dump. How do they know the investigators don’t have Person A’s email?
Danny sometimes appears on Fox News, where he has suggested Jane Fonda should have been shot for treason.
He’s damned lucky people don’t get shot for bad acting.
Speaking of acting and Jane Fonda, last night I saw “They Shoot Horses, Don’t They” for the first time since the film first came out, on TCM.
It’s amazing how the impact of the film is undiluted after all these years — in fact, as the threat of Great Depression Part Deux looms larger in the background, it may be even scarier today. Especially since the cruel and barbaric spectacle of the “1,000 hour dance marathon” fits right in with other exploitative teevee productions so popular today.
PSA – CNN just announced that some dry pet food has been added to the recall list…
twolf1 @ 201
Did you catch the brand name?
Eureka Springs @ 202
Nope. They said it so fast and didn’t put it in text at the bottom of the screen. I will post it in the comments if I happen to see it.
President and Sec of State Pelosi.
Thanks twolf.
I wish Mr Waxman will seriously look into the niger lie. Call everyone including Rice, Tenet, Feith, etc…and bloggger eriposte too. Eriposte possses vast knowledge about the niger lie.
BaldPrairie @ 194
w00t! Canadians polite, but not stupid. We need to see if Hotflash has any other details about this tonight, too.
steve @ 199
I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, so forgive me, but isn’t that counting on the people who are being investigated to do the right thing, even if its from fear of getting caught in a bigger problem? (I know, run-on sentence – its the bain of my existence.)
It might be starting to fall apart, but I think the loyalty in the administration is still awfully strong. Because they play by a whole different set of rules than the rest of us, how does one hold them accountable?
Neil @
67
You’re welcome. I had just been finishing up the last bit of the segment with Dr. Philip Zimbardo on the Daily Show when I heard Christy was about to come on and had to stick the other thing back in draft.
Here’s the Zimbardo interview. I think I’m all transcribed-out for the day now. :)
egregious @
88
How about “I feel sick” followed quickly by, sotto voce, “[of this administration]”, spoken rapidly and softly under one’s breath?
Bob in HI
more information on the creepy dealings of this admin:
in order to preclude any unknowing statements
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..endly_fire
criminals.
Feeling sick?
Sometimes I get anal glaucoma.
I just can’t see my ass coming to work today.
Zee @ 208
Generally speaking, these people will be using e-mail servers administered by other people. Those administrators, who may be guilty of nothing more than choosing the wrong bosses, would be more likely to cooperate.
Bob Schacht @ 210
Tee hee.
Maybe claiming a case of “elephantitis” would work, too.
OT–blowback watch. Somalia undergoing worst violence in 10 years. Yep. W’s footprint.
Bustednuckles @ 212
707!
PSA – Dry food added to pet food recall:
Cujo359 @ 213
Generally speaking, these people will be using e-mail servers administered by other people. Those administrators, who may be guilty of nothing more than choosing the wrong bosses, would be more likely to cooperate.
I just can’t IMAGINE they’d be forthcoming.
Sam @
72
Sam -
What comes to mind when someone mentions martial law? Are you referring to nationwide military rule? If so, how, with overextended armed forces, would it be enforced nationally? Or is your concept of martial law tantamount to rule by decree?
I want to continue by attempting to alleviate your concerns expressed in your second question. Subject to discovery of some superseding provision – if indeed it exists – in the Patriot Act, I think it may be safe to say that the National Emergencies Act (50 USC 1601-1651), enacted in 1976, was, according to Wikipedia, intended…
Patriot Act (Wikipedia)
I ran a text search of the most current version of the Patriot Act (Public Law 107-56) and find no occurrence of “martial law” therein. I do, however, see references to declarations of emergencies (Act Section 106, if I’m not mistaken); when time permits, I will delve further.
I keep thinking that it’s just a matter of time before someone flips. There are too many bodies going overboard right now, and a lot of regular people out there who call themselves law-and-order Republicans were not happy at all about the AUSA firings. The Republican party is in denial at the moment, but as the 2008 elections get closer, they’re going to realize that they need to run as far away from Bush as they can. One of these thirtysomethings is going to decide that they’re better off cutting a deal than taking a fall for Rove and Bush, and that’s when the dam is going to burst.
Marcy – does this closed interview indicate that they CAVED to the White House? Seems that the list of people is the same one that they presented to Mr. Fielding.
Looks like they caved and didn’t even tell us. What do you think?
Sally @
130
Interesting assumption.
Tenet helped Bush invade Iraq, was set up as a “fall guy” by WH trolls, fell on his sword for Bushco, never remembered saying “slam dunk”, let Condi knife him in the back, jees and crackers, talk about unrequited loyalty. I doubt Tenet will blow the house down.
OT – AP: Gen. Tried to Warn Bush on Tillman
Frank Probst @ 220
Good summary of what might happen. This is why subpoenas approved, but held in the drawer are good.
And, why it’s okay, IMNSHO, to have these closed meetings. It cheats us, but people are going to tell more, and discuss “flipping” for an immunity deal.
Marcy – you have mail…
The Mail server for the gwb43.com domain is mailscan1.smartechcorp.net, and the SMTP service identifies itself as Postfix. This is probably a Linux box. The hostname suggests that it’s a spam filter, and it may be forwarding. I hope Waxman has the FBI techies on this, and is ready to get warrants.
There are other RNC sites hosted by smartechcorp.net: http://www.2004nycgop.com was there (now expired). gop.com is there, as is rnchq.org.
If I were Waxman, I would get a list of all domains registered by Steve Ellis (dns@rnchq.org) from the ARIN, and then warrants to seize all the mail servers and any backups.
One off-topic observation: there is a curious secondary DNS server the RNC domains list, A.NS.Trespassers-W.net. This is obviously a reference to Winnie the Pooh. Smells like a little Republican internet gravy to me, not a big deal.
Is Rove throwing Gonzo under the bus? I have yet to read anyone discuss this possibility.
Raw Story:
U.S. government ‘outsourcing its brain’
Zee @ 218
I think we’re saying different things here. Those admins would have little reason to defy/ignore a subpeona. What I think you’re saying is that they’re not very likely to volunteer information about those e-mails, which is also true. Information about where the gwb43 e-mails were sent to or received from would have to come from elsewhere.
anwaya @ 226
I am SO GLAD there are people like you out there who know what to look for. I don’t understand what you wrote, but thank you. Seriously. THANK YOU.
After signing up and logging in this is what I see when trying to read a blog posted on the Roots Project site:
“Access denied
You are not authorized to access this page.”
do I need to do cartwheels or something, a clue please?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 228
Thanks, Steven. I’ve been saying this was a danger for quite some time.
aliasofwestgate@146
Here’s another thing Hotflash might be able to help with.
It seems to my dim memory that WAY back in the precambrian era, two Canadian cabinet Ministers (Joe Clark and Flora MacDonald?) were tried & Convicted on contempt of court charges when their underlings were not fast enough in following directions from a court. That would be in the late 70s or earlier 80s. Not much of precedence for the ‘clever’ US courts, but the “Buck stopped here” for these cabinet ministers.
Can anyone fill in the missing details?
Cujo359 @ 229
I get your point, I just don’t trust any of them. Again, it goes back to the fact that they’ve strangled the Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm out of me.
The NewsHour tonight has a segment on graduation rates of athletes at US colleges.
(But nothing on the Waxman hearing yesterday. Booo.)
BaldPrairie @ 233
She should definitely be able to help out with that. Since i’m too young for both those incidents myself. I would have been a toddler at the time with no concern at all about canadian politics. Though i bet my mother(canadian) was keeping an eye on it a bit.
Rove will throw *anyone* aside from Boy King and Shooter under the bus…
lhp @121: appointment of USAtty does require Senate confirmation? the former head of the Civil Rights section is now a US Atty in Mo. And they got him in w/o Senate confirmation under the short lived exception in the Patriot Act. We need to find out how many were actually appointed in this fashion b/c I don’t think it was just Tim Griffin in ARK.
Hill’s prescription m/d cat food is on the list. We feed our ancient kitty w/d. Heading to supermarket to get some chicken & rice to just to be on the safe side. Who knows how many other pet foods are going to end up being recalled by the time this is done.
I didn’t even understand the Pooh reference! But want to add my thanks.
IANAT (I am not a Techie)
It keeps being noted that Rove uses his blackberry. Is that significant?
Neil @ 235
Neil, your a day late, newHour covered hearings yesterday.
ironranger @ 239
This is the problem, isn’t it? If the inspection system is broken, as it appears to be to an unsophisticated observer like me, who’s to say what sort of food will be problematical next time? First we were worried about Mad Cow and e-coli in meats, then it was spinach. Now it’s wheat in pet food.
Re: GWB43 servers, et al;
It just occurred to me that perhaps these Dem oversight people are naive in taking so much time to get these “files, docs, e-mails.” For example; When DiFi instructed Fundy-bot Sampson to “get that for us..” [paraphrase] he has resigned, thus is no longer in control of this. Rove is.
And, the same thing with Goodling – leave of absense, and now Sara Taylor, Jennings’ boss.
Something is missing in the government records: “He/she must’ve take it with them.” Subpoena the ex-employee “I left it in my office..”
Good luck Waxman and Leahy!
solai @ 241
It’s his “dingleberry” not his blackberry.. ;-}
ironranger @
239
I’m quite sure. Neither our animals nor our own food supply is safe as evidenced by the recent contaminations, the vast information that kirk and others have shared with us today, and this nice little tidbit I found yesterday:
http://www.reuters.com/article…..4720070329
The servers are outside the White House. I’ve built numerous email systems and if I was one of those techs I’d already have something offsite. If anything comes up missing who do you think would be the first to get blamed? I’d have already protected myself in some way.
This gwb43.com business is insane but I’m not surprised. Busting employees asses for using offsite mail servers from within corporate networks is something I go through each and every day. It’s usually people checking personal accounts at yahoo, hotmail and so on.
Waxman needs to keep looking no matter what they tell him because that info is out there somewhere.
JH
Woodhall Hollow @ 19:
Is there “Shoe Week” in NYC [akin to “Fashion Week”]? I’m sure that’s on her calendar in ink.
On the other hand, if the Committee offered her a free pair of shoes, that might tempt her.
solai @ 241
It may be, although I seem to remember that blackberry servers are in Canada. Found this from some sort of patent issue paper:
here’s the link, which is a Google cache page of a PDF document.
It’s from 2005.
Anyway, while there are considerable security issues with our top officials using a service that’s routed through a foreign country for communicating about policy and so forth, it’s probably harder to subpeona the traffic as a result. At least, that’s what I’d guess as a non-lawyer.
Exactly, Cujo. The “greatest country on earth” is collapsing in on itself thanks to corrupt money grubbers. When our food isn’t safe to eat, water not safe to drink & everything vital to living a decent life has broken down, how do they think their ill gotten riches are going to insulate them, their children & grandchildren?
Neil @
235
I think it was Josh Marshall earlier today who said that TIME for next week has no USA story scheduled.
Would be great to catch someone closing those stops, wouldn’t it?
(Blackberrys singing in the dead of night …)
Bustednuckles @ 212
LOL
hi gulf coast pirate @ 247
thanks for answering the cited question
FWIW (if anything? :) the cited question isn’t mine (at 46)…
but all due credit to the original question-poser.
And I like your answer!
(Waving wildly to Waxman’s staff)
twolf1 @ 223
Another Inconvenient Truth!
No wonder Bush wouldn’t meet with Cindy Sheehan. That would’ve been hypocritical.
What a week for Bushie. Have you notice how many people who used to serve this man, have stepped out and gone public with their knowledge. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 219
In re: martial law — you might also want to check the text of The Real Id Act when you have a chance.
Grim.
My cat disappeared yesterday and she hasn’t been seen. She is fat and never misses a meal. She eats al the fancy stuff. Now I’m really worried. I just took my golf cart all through the neighborhood calling for her. I’m worried sick, I tell ya.
moe99 @ 238
I’m sorry I misunderstood. I thought the commentor was saying that he had to have Senate confirmation to become head of the Civil Rights Division
cspan1 is playing Arab Summit Closing Speeches — Abbas on now.
oh ccmask– I am so sorry! I hope she comes right back home.
;(
Neil @ 235
NYTimes Online has above the fold front page a photo and pic of cheerleaders who suffer injuries. Some people say, “Aiding and abetting.”
Pelosi going to Syria.. Beautiful, just beautiful.
ccmask: praying you find your kitty soon. I feel for you.
Puesto @
170
Has anyone noticed lately how all the press attention is on Gonzo and Rove. . . and not on Cheney? Cheney has dozens of people all over the Administration. Do you suppose that he’s sent out the word to misdirect? “Look! Over there!!! Rove! Gonzoles! Look!!!” Yes, give Leahy and Waxman credit, but I wouldn’t put it past the Veep to oil the skids a little.
When does the push-back start?
Bob in HI
This country needs an honest man, like Gore. I wonder which one of them will run on the missing bees?
ccmask: Hope your cat finds her way home. In the past, my cats have occasionally been missing for as much as a day, and finally returned.
ccmask – My fingers are crossed.
Thanks iron. This is the first time for this cat. This is my indoor cat. The homeless one always strays but this one is different. Fingers crossed.
I dont think its speculation that tower 7 came down via demolation. I have a DVD some place where Guilini is talking with the owner of tower 7 before it fell, and they said, “we decided to “pull it” A term commonly used by demolation people. Shortly after they said that, tower 7 smoothly slid down. (just like the other two towers had earlier). Video of Guilini admitting that is easily found on the net.
You took the words right out of my post. Eureka.
eyesonthestreet @ 231
Hi eyes,
if you email me at urban at stowe.nu I’ll give you the email of the guy who sorts all this stuff out.
OhSnap! @ 237
Yeah, but it hasn’t come down to his own skin yet.
ccmask @ 256
Oh, ccmask, poor kitty, I hope he finds his way home. Maybe going about on foot might work better, slower pace, slower eye. Good luck.
ccmask: maybe she is just enjoying discovering the outdoors (mice?) for a little while.
Gotta go home & see if my ancient kitty is displaying any unusual symptoms. Not that I’m paranoid or anything.
I had a thought that maybe this pet food contamination would have a bigger impact on food safety than all the human food problems, ecoli, etc outbreaks have had. Why is it that we get more upset when it is our pets than when it is people?
A pattern is beginning to develop on the NewsHour. They invite Republicans members of Congress or representatives from government departments for “balance”. The problem is that no one shows because no one wants to talk about or defend the disasters of this Administration.
greenwarrior @ 259
Let’s not be naive. Who actually thinks that the MSM including the supposed oh so liberal PBS wants the American public to know what is going on in the US of A let alone the world at large? Keeping the American public in the dark serves whose interests? It’s also important to remember that Jim Leher is good friends with the Bush family. Anyone see David Gregory throwing out his journalistic integrity for a few laughs with Karl Rove? This is the American MSM. Pathetic beyond words. Thankfully there is FDL, at least for now.
ccmask– have you checked under porches, in sheds, quiet dark spots?
When my kitty has disappeared (scared or not feeling well), he’s usually in the rafters, closets, or strange hidey holes in the basement. He did get out this past summer much to my chagrin but did come back for food.
OhSnap! @
237
How do you know he won’t throw Shooter under the bus, if push comes to shove?
Bob in HI
Zee @ 230
You’re welcome – though I have misgivings after the fact about voicing things like this in public. I trust the eyes are mostly friendly, that someone will read it, and act in the interests of justice rather than its obstruction.
Pat @ 267
It’s not just speculation, it’s outright nonsense. No one with even half a brain is going to go into a severely damaged, burning building to set explosives.
This guy seems to have a handle on the issue:
http://www.jnani.org/mrking/wr…..ing911.htm
Here’s a video of the damage to WTC7:
http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
(it’s down the page a little ways. Note the pictures, also.)
HARDBALL FEATURES TIME POLL:
McCain-Obama 45%-43%
Rudy-Hillary 50% -41%
Rudy Obama 45% -44%
Rudy leads the Gop 35%
McCain follows at-22%
Hillary leads the Dems 38%
Obama folloes-30%
Hugh @ 273
One by one they are discarded like so much ballast from a balloon that can’t keep itself afloat on hot air anymore.
No one should be surprised if Republicans throw their own under the bus to protect themselves and their power. One only has to look at the rise of Nazism to see how much they actually valued “loyalty”. The “Night of the Long Knives” is nothing more than a template for the new Republican authoritarians. Would they actually commit murder to further their cause? You tell me.
Thanks everyone. I’ll keep you posted. I know about them kitty’s and their hiding spots. All closet doors are open. :))
ccmask @ 256
((((ccmask))))
plus ccmask take into account spring fever. Even inside cats get awful naughty this time of year – don’t know where you live but if it’s been a long winter, and your kitty got out, going out at night and calling and playfully faking out points of interest could draw her out
The whole problem with this timeline is that it completely messes up starting April 6. That is the day that Bush orders the “tactical” nuking of Iran. All timeline entries after that are totally bogus: beginning then, all of Congress become Bush cheerleaders (under threat of extended stay at Guantanamo), and all TV channels become Fox News.
What has become of Waxman’s inquiry to Josh Bolten regarding the failure to investigate the leak of classified informaton (including Plame’s identity) at the White House, per Knodell’s testimony to the Committee?
Please kitty . come home. I cant think of any thing else until I hear you are home safe.
Oh Pat, you sweet thing
Kirk_Murphy @ 253
Sorry – I’ve just been a lurker so far so I’ll have to familiarize myself with the software.
But FWIW – there have only been a couple of times I’ve been asked to delete something on a mail server and I always silently covered my ass. There is no doubt in my mind that someone working on gwb43.com did the same if he/she were asked to do some big deletions. It just doesn’t happen everyday.
Bottom line – the data is out there.
JH
There is a Tiger upstairs!
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..n/#respond
Rayne @
255
Real ID (Wikipedia)
Wikipedia excerpt:
I know though, thinking of this missing kitty makes us all think of the kitties that went missing, some to come back. some not, and it’s a sentimental topic.
There’s a wonderful kids book – something about the animals at something farm – I’ll have to track it down for a Pull up a Chair. And they list all the animals, pets, one cat who is always found in the cat pan, my son chortled over that, and also mice, and bugs, and sweetly, dead pets, who were still somehow there.
….as many as one in three pieces of centrally factory-packaged chicken you buy is contaminated with bacteria from chicken shit. mmmm. salmonella.
angie @ 246
ironranger @
239
Hill’s prescription m/d cat food is on the list. We feed our ancient kitty w/d. Heading to supermarket to get some chicken & rice to just to be on the safe side. Who knows how many other pet foods are going to end up being recalled by the time this is done.
I’m quite sure. Neither our animals nor our own food supply is safe as evidenced by the recent contaminations, the vast information …[snip]…shared with us today, and this nice little tidbit I found yesterday:
link
Angie -
wow – what a catch.
The deliberate destruction of our meat inspection program – developed after great suffering as part of the Progressive era – is one of the cruellest possible assaults on low and middle income Americans.
Ruminants – grass eating animals like cows and sheep – need space. Takes a lot of grass to feed a cow.
Shit “needs” bacteria and flies – or else it would always be shit and never degrade.
[OK - telology admitted. Flies and bacteria and fungi need shit - for food and homes. Biology is thrifty.]
Greedy megacorps figured out they could make more money from selling meat and poultry by cutting out the small producers and their fields.
And all that space. And grass.
The greedy megacorps’ humans grow the young animals into food-size fast as possible by dropping out the natural feed (low calorie grasses) and replacing it with artificial feed (grains and “animal meal”).
The humans also “save” money by crowding the animals raised for meat and poultry into the smallest possible space. For chicken, turkeys, and pigs, this means confinement in a cage so tight as to prevent turning around or even laying down.
The shit accumulates under and on the food animals. Ground up in the animals’ shit and piss are all of the fragments from the “animal feed”. “Animal feed” is ground-up dead animals: cows / pigs / sheep / poultry / road kill.
So animal feed, when fed to generation after generation of factory farm animals – collects prions (the near-indestructable proteins causing “mad cow” disease) and passes them down the food chain.
And what gets to your plate from factory farming grows up standing and laying (if they can) and eating amid pulverized shit and pulverized remains of their ancestors.
Feedlots are crack houses for the most putrefying microbes around.
The feedlots and the unnatural grain feeds make the animals you’ll eat so sick they’d die without constant antibiotics.
So ninety percent of the antibiotics used in North America go into feedlots and industrial agriculture.
Who knew? The very same bacteria that survive antibiotics with their (livestocks’) breakfast, are resistant to those antibiotics when they meet them in the hospital.
It’s an evolution thing.
Meat and poultry were shipped whole (cleaned carcasses) to local butchers until very recently. Local stores employed local butchers who cut, prepared, and packaged the meat and poultry there in the store.
Good jobs, too.
Megacorps fightng over the grocery biz leapt to cut those jobs and to centralize the butchering.
So that packaged meat and poultry shipped to your local market all wrapped up from some packing plant?
That packaged meat and poultry means you eat more shit – from all the feedlots.
Centralized meat packging factories allow one cow’s antibiotic-resistant deadly bacteria from the feedlot muck to be smeared around tens of thousands of packages.
E. Coli O157 – partay!
Great time for the USDA to cut inspections – when one day of contamination can sicken tens of thousand – if not hundreds of thousands.
After nearly twenty years of Republican assault, this is what’s left of our once vaunted food safety programs ad the FDA and Dept of Agriculture.
What the megacorps and GOP have done to public health and food safety:
mourning in America.
Why does this hit hardest at those with least to spend on food? Massive taxpayer subsidies for industrial meat and poultry producers have trashed small-scale operators, driving most out of business in much of the US.
Here in the Bay Area Farmers’ Markets we can buy grass-fed meat, chickens that lived and dined outside on natural food sources, and pork from free-foraging pigs raised in oak woodlands – all raised safely humanely and locally without pesticides, antibiotic diets, hormones, or unnatural feed…
– but not everyone has that luxury.
Healthy meat and poultry are still so scarce as to command premium prices – when and where they can be found at all.
In suburban/urban areas, less income translates directly to far fewer and more expensive food sources.
In the meantime – as many as one in three pieces of centrally factory-packaged chicken you buy is contaminated with bacteria from chicken shit.
mmm.
salmonella.
Cook at high heat, clean food prep areas carefully with boiling water.
Bon appetit
Better living through industrial agriculture?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 290
Need to check which provisions — only the ID itself? States had sued because of the hassle…
But did the ability of the AG to authorize DHS Director to suspend all laws as necessary to defend the borders without judicial review get delayed too?
((((ccmask and kitty))))
I’m praying to Bast and the goddess for you both to be united, well and happy and fat*
Hugs.
(*the kitty)
kirk murphy, thanks for posting that. Disturbing and horrible, but not as horrible as the lives of animals at factory “farms”. We need to put Purdue and the like out of business.
{{{{{ccmask & kitty}}}}}}
ccmask @ 256
Think positive and keep calling for her from your door especially late afternoon and evening and leave porch lights on if possible. My neighbors cat disappeared and they put up lost kitty signs with full description and contact info. This cat is really a rascal and just catted around town for several weeks BUT she did come home. My fingers are crossed for you and kitty.
The Justice Department officials who were selected to be interviewed hit merely the tip of this iceberg. It is extremely important that the House and Senate Judiciary Committee’s interview John Nowacki, Principal Deputy Director as well as the Acting Counsel to the Director in the Executive Office of the Justice Department, in order to establish the links between the Justice Department officials, the US Attorney’s in the field, and the political operatives who helped remove the targeted US Attorney’s. I have gathered and organized every document released so far from the Justice Department relating to John Nowacki as well as background information on his relationship with the Federalist Society. You will be shocked at how many key pieces of information he gives to Paul McNulty, William Moschella, Michael Elston, William Mercer, Monica Goodling, and former employees Michael Battle and Kyle Sampson.
This story on John Nowacki, including updates, can be found at: http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/
Don’t let this be EPU’d Zach. Repost on the next thread.
Hi GulfCoastPirate!
Welcome – glad you delurked. And no apologies necessary – I’m still figuring out the software myself (why does it spell check in Firefox on Windows but not Mac OS?)
Again – no worries – I just didn’t want to take credit for someone else’s words (too many of my own here anyway…)
Zee @
177
They probably won’t give them to Congress voluntarily, and will cite privacy laws, etc. But, if Congress issues a subpoena to the RNC or the web host for the documents, they’ll probably have to comply, although they’ll certainly try the courts first. But, the White House cannot argue executive privilege in the matter–which makes any court challenge by them much more difficult. They cannot claim these are internal documents, because they weren’t internally transmitted.
bluetoe @ 281
John Kokal, govt expert on Iraq who was trying to tell Congress the truth right before the war. Google.
raven >
Does the phrase NSA “wiretaps” ring a bell ?
If the NSA vacuum wasn`t to have picked up these specific messages one would have to wonder “why is that ?”.
More evidence of misbehavior of the “…high crimes…” type
Not suggesting, of course, that the NSA might be real interesting in admitting to having them or allowing just anyone to have access. But that is another kettle of fish so to speak.
“A government operating in the shadow of secrecy stands in complete opposition to the society envisioned by the framers of our Constitution.” – Judge Damon Keith (6th Circuit Court of Appeals)
ironranger >
There is some evidence that GM crops are part of what is causing “the bee problem”, at least in Europe.
If you don`t know what I am talking about check Google for recent news items on the mass disappearance of bees in agricultural areas. Lots of bee keepers are totally freaked out. NYTimes had an article recently focusing on the Central Valley of California.
“If you don’t deal with reality, reality will deal with you” – C.J. Campbell
“I am fighting for the truth”
Gonzales.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002928.php
LOL! He’s beginning to rival Bush himself.
Jeffrey Taylor is a name to remember and watch.
Jeffrey Taylor has also given hundreds of dollars to the Republican National Committee and to George W. Bush.
As the acting U.S. attorney for D.C., Taylor has the sole authority to enforce House or Senate subpoenas through citations for contempt of Congress. Even if Taylor actually chooses to prosecute an administration official for refusing to testify - which is highly unlikely – could we trust him not to screw it up?
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/215
……Jeffrey A. Taylor was appointed interim U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia by Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales on September 22, 2006. He was sworn in and took office on September 29, 2006
Bustednuckles @
135
Ralston originally worked for Abramoff, then he transferred her to work for Rove. She knows a lot.