(I actually can't stand this song, but I couldn't find any good pictures of stuff being unravelled…)
The US Attorney firings have brought a whole lot of things bubbling up to the surface that were supposed to stay buried. Embarrassing things about the way the Bush administration and the Republican Party do business. One of the most chilling is Karl Rove's strategy to legitimize the idea that minorities, immigrants and Democrats are engaged in widespread voter fraud, necessitating strict controls on voter registration and access to the polls.
Unfortunately for the Republicans, this did not work out at all the way Rove planned. From The Politico, of all places:
[I]n the fall of 2004, Republican operatives tucked thick folders of newspaper clippings and other fraud tips under their arms and pitched to reporters their claims that the Democrats' registration program would lead to rampant voter fraud. Their passion was clear, but their evidence was slim, consisting mostly of isolated incidents of voter registration irregularities that were handled by local police or election officials.
…[W]ith the vast federal law enforcement community acting as the new sheriff, Republicans hoped to pocket the evidence they longed for: a string of high-profile investigations and convictions.
Failure of some U.S. attorneys to pursue the final plank in that strategy now appears to have helped trigger an internal debate over whether to fire all or some of them, administration comments and e-mails suggest.
(…)
Behind the scenes, court records show, the RNC worked with state parties to send letters to newly registered voters in some states, including hotly contested Ohio. Letters returned as undeliverable were then used to create a list of voters' names to challenge at the polls on Election Day. In Wisconsin, Republicans conducted background checks on roughly 100,000 newly registered voters and trained more than 50,000 volunteers to monitor precincts or lodge challenges against voters.
(…)
Media disclosures of the Ohio and Wisconsin projects… upset and embarrassed local Republican leaders, who publicly urged an end to the program.
In other words, Rove and the RNC were gung-ho and obsessed with voter fraud, but couldn't get the USAs or local Republican parties on board. And Karl was furious.
Apparently the USAs and local politicains all knew there was no there there:
After an election [in Washington state] last year in which more than 2 million votes were cast, following much controversy, only one ballot ended up under suspicion for double-voting. That makes sense. A person casting two votes risks jail time and a fine for minimal gain. Proven voter fraud, statistically, happens about as often as death by lightning strike.
So now I'm hoping that this leads to another one of those conversations that the Republicans really don't want to have. First it was the "Is Fox News really a legitimate news organization?" conversation. Now we could be on the verge of an "Is voter fraud a Republican scam?" conversation, with that excellent Washington Post column (which has been all over the liberal blogosphere) serving as an icebreaker.
But more than that, I'm hoping that our Congressional investigators will keep pulling this thread all the way to its end. They've uncovered Rove's frustrated desire for voter fraud convictions as one of the driving forces behind the firings – now they need to take that a step further and look into all the Republican vote-suppression efforts that the voter fraud myth has enabled. They need to ask why voter roll purges, voter IDs, and draconian restrictions on voter registration are necessary if voter fraud doesn't exist. And they need to ask whether the Republicans have deliberately fabricated evidence of voter fraud to support those policies.
I'm pretty sure the Judiciary Committee has oversight of the election process – think Conyers would like to take a swing at this?



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Anybody interested in the flu pandemic?
Hey Eli!
Yes, I’m interested in the flu pandemic.
Hiya!
Darn Prof.
Evenin’ Eli!
What is the link of the flu pandemic and the USA Attorney firings?
And GSA?
Well, think Katrina and Heckuva-job Brownie.
Who do you think are doing the planning, and how good a job are they doing?
Evenin’ yourself, LL!
Prof @ 6
Well, I think it’s safe to say that the Bushies will not exert themselves unless they can see a political angle to it (”Resolute President Conquers Deadly Flu!”).
‘Voter fraud’ – right up there with ‘Welfare Queen’.
Thanks for your post, Eli!
Yeah, Prof. Actually, I did my homework back about a year ago. Stocked up intensively, including household things like, say soap, rubbing alcolhol and tylenol. Have organized a pantry around emergency supplies that I rotate in. Still have tweaking to do, am far from self sufficient. But, I think everyone, to the extent that they can, needs to think about being able to come home, close the door, and stay home for several months, without going out, and with no contact with others. Hardship? yes. Possible survival? Yes.
Actually, I think all the deadly food incidents are more obviously telling, since they provide a real clear picture of what happens when you relax regulations and oversight.
WAXMAN!
In fact, among the oversight work I’d like to see Henry Waxman’s committee do is to find out whether HHS is doing the right things to help prepare us.
I doubt that. How about some hearings into why the federal government only recommends having a two-week supply of emergency food, water, and medicines — when the first “wave” of pandemic flu could well last 3 months, and according to the government 35% of the public may catch the flu.
I have been following the US Attorneys firings obsessively, but I wonder if we are treating them a bit like Anna Nicole Smith, in light of what lurks just around the corner.
As I posted earlier, take a look at your own state’s prepareness plan, and be impressed or shocked.
I wonder whether, on the whole, blue states are doing better than red-denial-states.
Alicia @ 9
I want to marry a voter fraud queen.
kirk murphy @ 10
You’re welcome! I was kinda hoping there would be some Krugman or a juicy document dump to play off of today, but no such luck…
Voter fraud = black people trying to vote, a sin to Republicans.
Election fraud = vote tampering and suppression, Diebold machine vote manipulations et al.
Gotta get the phrase right when we argue.
Another great post Eli.
And yes, Eli, I’d like to see these threads pulled too. I’d like to see a lot of daylight on not so much voter fraud, but election fraud, which rove and his henchmen are in up to their dirty little necks.
Rubbing alcohol?
I bought a 55-meal barrel (5 servings per meal) from Costco. Have no idea if the stuff there is edible. Anyone try that? Or other food strategies that may actually work?
Carolyn Urban, do you actually have weeks of water stored? How?
egregious @ 16
Retail vs. wholesale.
The Justice Department officials who were selected to be interviewed hit merely the tip of this iceberg. It is extremely important that the House and Senate Judiciary Committee’s interview John Nowacki, Principal Deputy Director as well as the Acting Counsel to the Director in the Executive Office of the Justice Department, in order to establish the links between the Justice Department officials, the US Attorney’s in the field, and the political operatives who helped remove the targeted US Attorney’s. I have gathered and organized every document released so far from the Justice Department relating to John Nowacki as well as background information on his relationship with the Federalist Society. You will be shocked at how many key pieces of information he gives to Paul McNulty, William Moschella, Michael Elston, William Mercer, Monica Goodling, and former employees Michael Battle and Kyle Sampson.
This story on John Nowacki, including updates, can be found at: http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/
It’s certainly not hard to picture Turd Blossom having a downright hissy fit.
Eli @
13
You mean like cutting all the FDA inspectors and such?
Avian flu scam: cui bono? $?
Remember that biological weapons was on Judy Miller’s list from the Aspens letter. Oh, and so was IRAN.
Gotta catapult the propaganda!
Bolton was trying to say that everyone from Cuba to Iraq to who knows? had threatening bioweapons and we should….fill in the blank. Boo!!!
By cutting food inspectors, we go back to the “TRUST us” attitude of the big agra which will ineveitably lead to re-creating “The Jungle.”
dakine01 @ 22
Yeah, that sort of thing. I’m sure this is true of all federal agencies, but the thing is, glitches in the food supply have a tendency to manifest very visibly and tragically.
dakine01 @ 24
What amazes me is that they’re essentially getting away with the “bad apples” defense. Each incident is an isolated one, and in no way part of a larger pattern.
It’s all part and parcel. Any area where there has been independent oversight of big bidness, Chimpy and his minions have cut things, whether food, drug, whatever…
Nice post Eli — thanks for pointing out the WaPo article.
egregious @ 24
Yup.
Karl Rove’s only interest in voter fraud is figuring out ways to commit it on massive scales. His real interest is in suppressing the vote from populations where “the math” doesn’t work in his favor. A simple analysis of who among the USA who were fired clearly shows a strong statistical correlation with one thing: Failure to use the office to peruse Democrats and ignore Repuglicans i.e. to push Rove’s new math.
On another note: Is anyone worried for Joe and Valarie having to argue their case before Judge John D. Bates. Wasn’t he the one who said shooter had executive privilege?
Eli @ 27
Of course, because if it’s only the “bad apples” then it can’t be the broken system. That’s why it takes places like FDL, Kos and magazines like Mother Jones and people like Murray Waas and Sy Hersh. The problem is, there are far too many areas that need checking and rocks that need lifting to shine the light and keep it shining…
Eli, great post!
I move that we call all Republicans from here on out Bushies. The Bushican Party it will be instead of the Republican Party. This will drive them bonkers, if they aren’t there already.
Sampson is a Bushie. The rest of the cohorts of the White House are Bushies. No more Republicans, they succumbed to the Bush cult of personality. We do need to come up with a new mascot for them, no more elephant. Maybe a sheep will do?
Eli at 13 Actually, I think all the deadly food incidents are more obviously telling, since they provide a real clear picture of what happens when you relax regulations and oversight.
As someone who nearly died [106 degrees, delirium, deteriorating status] from E. coli O157 in Jack-in-the-Box tainted hamburgers, I have fairly strong feelings on the importance of government oversight of food.
John Conyers was all over OhiO vote fraud. Isn’t that when they had to have meetings in the basement because the majority wouldn’t let them have a room?
Good evening Eli. Great post.
Scarecrow @ 28
I wasn’t sure if it was even necessary. It was practically every single blog I looked at last night. But I thought their point about voter fraud being a lousy risk-reward proposition was extremely important. If you’re going to risk getting busted, you might as well go large.
Excellent Washington Post column
Words spoken far too infrequently the last six years. Shame on Fred Hiatt and Donald Graham!
Credit where credit is due:
Michael Waldman is executive director and Justin Levitt is an attorney at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
New threads just keep going up, don’t they? Reposting in case anyone missed it–the transcript of Christy on Thom Hartmann’s show.
lolo @ 34
Yep. That was prominent in my mind; I should have linked to it in that last sentence.
http://www.answers.com/topic/michael-leavitt
i don’t know if this makes me feel better or worse, since i have no faith in this government.
(he’s a Mormon, too)
Renee in Ohio @ 37
If it’s a nice, peaceful, post-free environment you want, you should check out *my* blog. (Today, at least)
Eli — The voter fraud fraud is confirmed by a former US Atty — see his op ed in the LA Times yesterday.
Poor Rovie, now he gets to see the big downside to using the “projection” tactic. Bet he never realized that by accusing Democrats of what he was guilty of, he was highlighting the holes in his own armor.
Prof, re: water. I have, probably five days of water currently in my house. (a gallon a day per person, plus for pets). In addition, I have portable containers to use – 8 @5 gallons. In emergency, I’ll will fill those from tap and that would give me another ten days. I’d like to add to my portable storage capacity – most of us would be able to fill water from our bathtub for a while anyway. I’m lucky enough to live near to a spring that is walkable (though tough, uphill for several miles all the way back.)
There are water purifiers available, good quality ones, from say Katadin, for @ $80. I can’t quite afford one, but it is at the top of my list. So if you live with access to a river or lake, pond, you could have usable water. Also, it would not be too hard to set up a cistern system. If a city dweller, a good water barrel on the roof or something along those lines.
There’s lots of information out there about ways to prepare yourself and your family.
For starters: http://www.fluwikie.com
I don’t feel like a paranoid ( most days). I prepare for the worst, particularly given this political climate, and then put it out of my mind.
And rubbing alcolhol? Sure, that, hydrogen peroxide, all the stuff you might want to sterilize or clean and won’t be able to get.
lolo @ 35
Yes, that was the basement meeting. John Conyers understands the difference between vote fraud and election fraud and knows which occurred in Ohio in ‘04. I expect this is on his to-do list.
Angie 40.
Good catch!!
Scarecrow @ 41
I saw some large excerpts from that, but I’m not sure there’s enough to prove that it was deliberate, as opposed to a misguided, Ahab-esque obsession.
Prof, Carolyn — In the past, Christy has written 4-5 posts on preparedness resources where she linked to an excellent 5-part post at dkos by AlphaGreek.
Here’s a link to the first part:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..61748/9747
Prof @ 19
Prof, I don’t think you should try it, no matter how much rubbing alcohol they give ‘ya.
At least go for Sterno. Top shelf rubbing alcohol.
The Bushican High Priest KKKarl Rove will soon be destroyed by the aroused peasantry(us & Henry). His master is doomed to be one of the most despised and reviled presidents in the history of this country. Their balloon of lies is gonna to get punctured in the pop heard around the world.
Don’t know about water but…
Mormons are commanded to keep one year of food storage on hand. Because Mormons are constantly threatened that the end is near and that Jesus Christ is coming, they are taught that food storage is a necessity.
http://www.mormoncurtain.com/t…..orage.html
No. I’m not a Mormon ; )
AZ Matt @ 49
It would be *very* interesting to see what the Bush presidency would look like without Rove stage-managing it.
Cozumel @ 50
Um. Isn’t that backwards? I mean, if the end is near, what do you need all the food for?
An interesting article about vote fraud here:
link
I thought I remembered stories about Rummie and the money he made from his stock in the company that makes Tamiflu. Coincidence – I think not.Rumsfeld’s stock in Gilead
Cozumel @ 52
I am a mormon. We have been taught to keep a year supply of food on hand.
Eli @
54
Yeah, it’s weird. I’ve known a few of them and they actually do this!
Cozumel @ 52
I knew that Mormons store food but was unaware of the rationale. Um, if “the end is near”, what do they need the chow for? Are they expecting Jesus to show up with a bad case of the munchies?
Eli @ 52
Stage-managed is right. If it wasn’t such a tragedy it would a comedy. Shakespeare would be hard pressed to write this sucker.
Eli @
16
Ann Coulter is available…
Thanks Curious.
I live in the country, and it doesn’t seem too strange to be prepared to take care of your own. I like to look across cultures and look across time to see what people have done; and in the past it wasn’t unusual for folks to stock up: the root cellar, the pantry, the canned goods, put up against a long winter.
This is the same thing. We’ve gotten so used to popping out to the local supermarket with an abundance of food and supplies available. That could go away. At least for a while.
I’ve heard people say it’s selfish to stock up. Poor people can’t. Well, I’m far from wealthy. Putting food aside hurt economically. But now it’s done. And I look at it this way: In an emergency, if I don’t need to be resued by local folks, they can look after my neighbors instead
lolo @ 57
I am a mormon. We have been taught to keep a year supply of food on hand.
No offence meant, I meant weird to me ; ) I do a lot of business in Utah and they’re nice people
Perhaps they want to pass out their largesse (loaves and fishes) to the unprepared multitude and thereby be um, better or something when He arrives.
Or something. Perhaps it is a good thing.
Down with the Bushican Party@! They are sheep and they love to get sheared! They love getting the wool pulled over their eyes!!!!
pachelbelle @ 59
Obviously we have very different definitions of the word “queen”…
The Mormons were taught to always be ready in case of famine. Mormons don’t believe in the rapture
AZ Matt @ 51
That’s my theory for why Poppy Bush is so tearful nowadays; he’s not simply upset that Smart Son Jebby lost a chance at the Presidency. GHWB’s real fear is that, 100 years from now, Americans will conflate W’s failed Presidency with his own. The name Bush will ring down in infamy — there won’t be any exception for The Old Man.
Eli @ 54
Who knows know how long He may stay?
If Jesus came to stay with me, I’d feel kinda silly ducking out to the market now and then.
Like I didn’t have faith in the loaves and fishes.
lolo @ 65
That makes more sense. Utah is not exactly a fertile state…
Teddy, did you ask Howie Kurtz an overreach question earlier this week?
lolo @ 66
George Bush and the rest of sheep sure do. You might want to stock up extra.
why didn”t the chicken cross the road?
it was home sick with the flu.
Related topic-CBC debate at Faux Noise backstory at http://mydd.com/story/2007/3/30/174338/386
Here’s the first part. It’s a real minefield of Clinton mafia involvement.
Can’t do short version because it’s too complicated. But it involves Faux threatening Nielson to do their own survey, and when that didn’t work, hiring all sorts of Clinton types to lobby for the debates.
A kind of voter fraud, to hold debates where they will stack the questions against you, n’est pas?
TeddySanFran @ 67
Senior spawned the little devil so he deserves being lumped with him and Barbara too.
carolyn urban @ 62
I recall all the discussions when home bomb shelters went in — what would you do if your unprepared (and perhaps irradiated) neighbor family came knocking, when you’d stored enough food & water only for your own family?
I lived through the WA state recounts, and what pissed me off more than anything was the state repubs pushing several themes:
felons voted (and must be democrats)
democrats (not individuals) committed fraud (somehow)
They went to trial in more conservative eastern washington, where the conservative judge couldn’t figure out how you could figure out how a felon would vote (they tried to use statistics, but didn’t convince anyone, king county and state ag both repubs and never supported any of this mess).
But the state GOP did get one to felon to admit he voted for the repub at trial!
Result of their ’show trial’ was that the repubs lost by one more vote.
The media never questioned the logic behind the repub theory, which was that if any fraud was detected, it must have been a democrat behind it, and if a felon voted, the must have voted for a democrat.
I sometimes wonder if the repubs could pull this off easier by doing their own real fraud in the name of democrats. Who would know anyway, the perfect crime.
Flu panic.
More than 30,000 Americans died of regular influenza last year and every year for decades.
Was there panic in the streets? Martial law? Shredding of the Constitution? [well yes but different thread]
Avian flu scam: until there is well documented—and I don’t mean Rendon Lincoln propaganda kind of documented—HUMAN TO HUMAN transmission, then avian flu is mostly a menace to people who keep chickens in their homes.
Don’t keep chickens in your home, and don’t BE a chicken.
TeddySanFran @ 76
That’s what I forgot.
Big stockpot for the neighbors.
(but not the skinny ones – too much work)
angie @
41
OK. I don’t have any faith in this government either.
But I will say that the Mormons are already prepared. Every Mormon family keeps a one-year emergency supply in its house.
I am not putting faith in this government. I am saying that even this government is doing a teensy bit about the coming avian flu pandemic — but in calling for only a 2-week amount of emergency food and water they are doing much, much too little.
Ever read Daily Kos and the postings by DemFromCT?
He is the person who created the Flu Wiki, an independent site that I credit much more than the government.
But why should I care about some Democrat from Connecticut? What the hell does he know that Mike Levitt might now know?
Well, it turns out that DemFromCT is actually a doctor who is the head of Children’s Pulmonology at a Connecticut hospital.
The repugs have been working on this voter fraud finger pointing for a long time. In August of 2006 Doolittle (soon to follow Cunningham to prison) wrote a letter to the editor at the SacBee talking about the dangers of voter fraud and illegal immigrants. They have been planning this for a long time. It is pure projection since we all know they are dedicated to standing the way of anyone who would vote against them.
Here is my response to his letter in the Bee.
Go to Iraq, lose your vote
Rep. John Doolittle is a master of the Karl Rovian method of obfuscation. As he protests the possible illegal voting by undocumented workers, the Republican National Committee has disenfranchised many black service people stationed in Iraq. The RNC mailed service people letters marked “Do Not Forward” to their stateside addresses. Of course, the letters were returned. The party then challenged the voters’ registration and prevented their absentee ballots from being counted. In other words, go to Baghdad, lose your vote.
This is just one example of the tactics used by the neocons to subvert the will of the American people.
The first thing Doolittle should be working on is the protection of the votes of the American people before raising the emotionally laden red flag of hundreds of possible illegal votes from illegal aliens.
- Mary McCurnin, Rancho Cordova
GOP = Republicans == Bushicans!
No more elephants for them, sheep they are now!
egregious @ 78
So true. What about vaccine? I argue about this every year with my doctor. I don’t trust them but due to illness I have to get it.
Eli @ 71
Yeah, I got a three-fer in Monday’s chatz with Howie — Couric’s “some say;” overreach; and “what’s a news alliance?”
Eli @ 27
This may be the side effect of regulation by the regulated that gets us all. Bees. They’re disappearing . And some people are begining to suspect it is the GMO crops and pesticides that we were all assured were harmless. Most of the reporting on this seems to be european, for example here
and here
In the USA the Sierra Club is starting to raise awareness here but in general the US seem to be behind in looking at GMO’s a an agent in this.
I believe it was that wild leftist Albert Einstein who remarked that if all the bees died the human race would have four years. I think he was an optimist actually. So we see another benefit of lax and corrupt regulation brought to us by the conservative vision of small government. Not with a bang but a buzz (or the lack of one).
Mary McCurnin @ 79
This shit *is* criminal, right? I’m not just imagining it?
That’s a tough question Teddy San Fran. If we’re talking about an emergency, like Katrina, I would freely help all my neighbors and any strangers too. If we’re talking about a massive outbreak of communicable disease, killing say, one out of every three, I really don’t know. I have a young son to consider, and that changes everything.
TeddySanFran @ 68
I think he’s (HW) sad George held the office and fucked it up so badly that not only will Jeb not be able to run but the republic party will be relegated to the minority for generations to come.
BigChickenDinner @ 73
Welcome!
So…BigChickenDinner…
tell me about your hometown.
Lawns or fenced?
TeddySanFran @ 82
Heh heh heh… You did good. And I seem to have pretty decent Ted-dar.
This is of a piece with ginning up investigations of the Clintons in the 90s. The idea of using the courts as hyper partisan tool is how contemporary Republicans have weilded power. Glad to see it finally coming back on them.
Yes Prof, I have read the good doctor’s posts and have visited Flu Wiki (not often) and Kos (often).
I just have little faith in our government and I do know that we have to take care of ourselves.
The Department of Homeland Security is pretty much a sham, imho, and that is what I was referring to in my post.
I am not at all impressed with the layers of bureaucracy that have been added since that awful day.
Umm…where the hell is the FEC in all this? And didn’t I see somewhere that election fraud complaints have to through FEC to FBI anyway?
That would make the ones FBI got from elsewhere *B. S.*
Eli @
26
You mean like cutting all the FDA inspectors and such?
Yeah, that sort of thing. I’m sure this is true of all federal agencies, but the thing is, glitches in the food supply have a tendency to manifest very visibly and tragically.
It’s even worse than just cutting the inspectors, although that would be bad enough.
In Bushwhacked by Molly Ivins (God bless her–I miss her!) a whole chapter is devoted to how the Bush (mal)administration has undermined the authority of the inspectors who are left and has made it more difficult for them to shut down meat production lines when they suspect the product has been compromised. It is a very informative (and frightening) read. Inspectors may no longer shut down a production line when they see circumstances which indicate contamination has occurred. They may only shut down a line when they observe obvious fecal matter. As we all know, the bacteria that cause the problems are not visible to the naked eye and may be present from things like contaminated water, etc.
Pressure is being put on the inspectors to keep the lines going, even when they observe situations that cause them concern.
And as the deaths from contaminated spinach showed, even vegetables aren’t safe.
pachelbelle @ 91
Also peanut butter and wheat…
I still worry about election fraud effecting the 08 election. The email scandal is going to touch on this. The RNC server was used to tabulate the Ohio votes.
egregious @ 78
And when H2H transmission gets going, you expect to have how long?
By the way, what do you call the following, from today’s news?
Bugboy @ 90
The FEC are lapdogs. They want no part of this.
especially if it’s harvest time
Eli @ 90
I’m afraid Broder’s got great TSF-dar, too; he never chatz with me anymore. There are at least two other SFers who submit great questions to chatz.
kirk murphy @
69
Um. Isn’t that backwards? I mean, if the end is near, what do you need all the food for?
Who knows know how long He may stay?
If Jesus came to stay with me, I’d feel kinda silly ducking out to the market now and then.
Like I didn’t have faith in the loaves and fishes.
How do you know if a Deadhead has been in your house?
He’s still there.
Eli @ 98
Nor does the FBI
Eli @ 98
I take that as meaning they haven’t been having brown bag “team building” exercises courtesy of the US tax payer.
Cozumel @52 and 58: Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) really do have a year’s worth of food stored. That’s a year of food for each family member. They hold classes after church services to discuss the best methods of food storage. During the Great Depression of the 1930’s, the Mormons depended upon their stored food and as a result didn’t suffer as much as people in other urban locations.
I remember elder members of my family discussing the flu pandemic of 1918. Hospitals were overflowing, but there wasn’t adequate medical care because the doctors and nurses had the flu, too. Carts came down the streets, collecting corpses, piling them one on top of the other. In some families, influenza killed the entire family. Many life insurance companies went out of business. And we aren’t any more prepared for another influenza pandemic today than we were then.
egregious @
35
My Stars, Egregious, are we ever lucky you survived.
Alicia @
10
The republicans LOVE voter fraud —- they make frauds against the voters!
carolyn urban @
99
So eat chocolate instead!
eg, please stay away from the J-i-t-B — we NEED you!
Eli @ 98
Cathy Martins husband runs it I think.
TeddySanFran @ 108
Seconded. Geez, we always called that place “crap in the box” in high school — we were closer to the truth than we knew!
lolo @ 106
Well, there you go.
Eli @
37
Eli,
It seems that every time I read something from the MSM I’ve already read it from one of us doggies.
Yeah Cassie, they say chocolate, coffee, red wine, all good for you! Thank goodness. I’m sick of giving up vices.
Eli @ 66
She seems to be a “queen” of the Republicans…
but my personal reaction is “EWWWW!”
Terry Olson @ 109
That one I had not seen, but that probably just means… I didn’t see it.
Ok well I meant to say DOJ, not FBI anyway, but I’m sure there’s more to this nut to crack anyway.
Eli @ 111
He is also involved in the Rendon Group, ah the tangled roots
I need an OUTRAGE outlet. This week has been too much.
Eli @
111
Kevin Martin is chairman of the Federal Communications Commission.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 116
FCCk.
Bugboy @ 115
The FBI is made up of civil servants, no political litmus test whatsoever one way or the other
NO NO NO NO and NO! The very reason a rag like the Politico (former talon news) is writing about voter fraud is because that offense is much less offensive than what Rove and his band of thugs were trying to accomplish. DO NOT BUY INTO THIS SHIT. The whole US Attorney scandal came about because they were trying to steer cases away from their corrupt buddies. Stop being a magnifying glass for republican propaganda machines.
Terry Olson—
Thank you. And about 3,000 Russian families are probably glad as well.
One expert talks about the problem of
Egregious, I think that one is for you.
;-)
I learn something(s) new every day here.
Cathie Martin is married to Kevin Martin of the FCC.
jeepers.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind….._J._Martin
and he replaced Michael Powell.
such nepotism– loyalty oaths, indeed.
Steambomb @ 122
Yep, voter fraud is just ‘code’ for whatever the underlying reason is/was
Steambomb @ 121
Oh man you are so spot on.
egregious @ 78
Exactly. Having been to some of the countries that have the “epidemic” in the past couple of years, I can tell you that people are not panicked at the Avian Flu Ground Zero. The only people who have died from this illness have lived with chickens – and let me tell you, it’s not like living with chickens in the yard is not uncommon. The chance of contracting this flu by eating chicken isn’t shown. The one case of suspected human-to-human transmission is not clear.
When I heard Bush once bring up how this could be a major pandemic and we needed to be ready for it, my ears perked up. I decided it was one of two things:
a) Bush wanted to promote this as something new to be fearful of (and of course he and his buddies were poised to make a lot of money off of Tamiflu and other drugs that have no proven ability to prevent or cure the mutated Avian Flu they were predicting), or
b) Bush heard something about Avian Flu, thought it sounded cool, and tried to talk about it like he new something about it. Like “switch grass”.
Probably could have been both at the same time. He was told about it, thought it sounded cool, and told that it could be used to scare people & make profit.
I work in a primary care doctor’s office, family care. If a true flu pandemic ever occurs I’m going to have to make a very difficult decision.
Will I go to work, do my best to help save the lives of our patients, assist my doc, and in general do my duty at the risk of contracting a potentially fatal illness?
Do I stay home, care for my family, and avoid risking not only my life but theirs by bringing home a deadly virus?
I hope that I’m never faced with actually making such a decision, and that I’d have to moral fiber and the guts to do the right thing. In the meantime, if there has been any meaningful preparation for such a pandemic none of it has reached the level of offices like ours. I have little faith in the government do do anything in advance – not until there is an active crisis will there be meaningful measures taken.
The New Orleans levees, Social Security, and global warming are examples of similar “government planning”.
The Mormons were taught to always be ready in case of famine. Mormons don’t believe in the rapture
They don’t? I was raised mormon, what do you think “latter day saints” means? Every thing we were taught was based on the premise that these are the latter days before Christ returns. They may down play this element nowadays, but it’s a basic tenet of the church.
pachelbelle @
114
Eli @ 66
pachelbelle @ 59
Ann Coulter is available…
Obviously we have very different definitions of the word “queen”…
She seems to be a “queen” of the Republicans…
but my personal reaction is “EWWWW!”
I always think of Coulter as a drag queen. I mean look at that Adam’s Apple.
Prof—
I hear ya, that it is a potential danger, I lost a close family member in the influenza of 1918 so this isn’t academic.
But if one follows the money, and the uberhyped news accounts, they kind of screech to a halt about the time that V for Vendetta came out. They can’t do it now, people are on to it.
Steambomb @ 119
Oh, so institutionalized voter suppression is not a big deal?
And is it inconceivable that the USAs weren’t fired for *both* reasons? Is it coincidence that so many of the fired USAs were from swing states? And is there some reason the Congressional committees can only investigate one motive?
Curious in Central Texas @
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AZ Matt @
51
lolo @
57
Lolo, I have some food on hand, certainly not a year’s worth. What do you have and how do you store it. What I really wonder about is how do you plan to cook and preserve it?
AZ Matt @ 34
AZMatt -
I love your idea – hope you bring it up repeatedly arond the blogosphere.
Let’s make it easy to flee the GOP by giving all the goopenproletariat (the passive supporters without the opportunity for media literacy) someplace to externalize the “bad them”.
Bushies hits it perfectly.
The Money party Repubs can hate ‘em, the Atlantic Alliance winng can hate ‘em, the religious fundies can hate ‘em, the Goldwater conservatives can hate ‘em, the budget conservatives can hate ‘em …
While they project their worst traits upon another, they’ll still stink no matter what hey call it.
So by all means – welcome each tribe of fleeing refugees from the wreck of the Bushies.
The true believers will turn on one another, and those who wish to can turn away and join the rest of us in restoring our Republic.
Nearly forty years of megacorp progaganda poured through the GOP’s Wurlitzer has broken our infrastructure, hospitals, health care, schools, insurance, communiites, environment, utilities, as well as ravaging our regualtory and public services.
Public discourse required for our democracy was reviled and marginalized – with the naked goal of crushng dissent to secure power.
I’m really pissed about the damage caused by all the Fox viewrs and Rush listeners who allowed themselves to hate and attempted to overthrow our Republic.
I’ll never trust their leaders in media, public office, or religion. I’ll look forward to seeing their leaders hunted and tried for human rights crimes. And then humanely imprisoned.
But the goopenproletariat – they’re literally our sisters and fellow Americans.
How do we imagine and re-build a civil society in which majority progressive values invite wthe goopenproletariat to walk away from their Bushies (inner and outer) and join the rest of us?
Clean-up on “fortunate son” at 7:17.
(wow – feels better than troll-slaying and takes less time. lovely)
kirk murphy @ 134
I never even saw it…
Prof @ 19
I think storing some bottled water is a good idea. I also keep tablets on hand, from the camping/backpacking supply store, that santize water, in case of a protracted emergency.
Actually, when Bill Clinton elevated FEMA to a cabinet level position and appointed James Lee Witt as its very capable director, FEMA offered excellent advice about emergency preparedness. I adopted many of these things and, occasionally, go over them with my family.
For example: we never go to bed with an empty gas tank. In an emergency, when the power is out, gas pumps don’t work — even if there were enough time and no long lines …
We also know where we would meet if we had to leave town in a hurry.
And we have each other’s phone numbers in our wallets, cars, and purses. And, a friend in another state (and in Europe) has our phone numbers — when intrastate phone lines are down or jammed, often long-distance lines are open, and the far-away friend can serve as an intermediary and relay news between various family members.
Also, I live in earthquake country; thus, I keep a pair of sturdy shoes by the bed, next to the flashlight. When glass breaks, barefoot is not a good way to run out of the house.
FEMA was great, but then happened GW and “heck of a job” Brownie” … soon, friends, soon, things will get better again.
The Bushies ARE Republicans. You can’t separate them. This era would not have happened without total party unity and a firm believe they were going to rule forever (a Fourth Reich if you will). To separate them is to somehow forgive the Republicans and we’re not ready to make nice.
MarkH @ 137
I typically use “Bushies” when I want to be more inclusive than “The Bush administration” and less inclusive than “all Republicans, who may or may not be completely loyal to Dubya.”
given that repuglicans always believe that democrats are doing what they are doing, i wonder how many repuglicans are voting more than once
Has anyone yet investigated the relationship of the US attorney scandal to the actual election fraud committed by the Bushies and their touch-screen minions in Ohio, Florida, Georgia etc? Evidence abounds of “irregularites” favoring the repubs which was never investigated.
The Holt Bill attempts to ameliorate the problems of electronic voting by providing a paper trail, but the bill is years out of date and experts now agree that all touch screen and electronic voting must be eliminated in favor of paper ballots. Paper ballots and and two sets of electronic ballot scanners is the compromise postion.
There is a strong case that the Democratic victories in 2006 would have been much bigger were it not for ballot manipulation.
RepubliCo.
Spoke too soon.
Alas.
[7:11 above]
Murder of the disabled points the way to Nuremberg.
(Von Bulow’s acquittal on the second trial doesn’t change the quote above. A possible travesty neither effaces nor obscures moral degradation.)
Rick @ 139
I don’t think they’d take the risk. If they’re committing election fraud, they’re going to do it behind the scenes, in bulk.
JML @ 140
I worry a lot that the Democrats aren’t pushing hard enough for paper trails or paper ballots to be in place in time for 2008.
David Olsen @ 131
Mormons believe in the second coming of Christ. My intials are LDS. I know what it means.
Heather Wilson (R-NM) *cough*
(On the plus side, I think 2008 is going to be so bad for the Republicans that they won’t be able to fudge the margin away without being even more obvious than they were in 2004.)
Flu stuff… A great, and rather technical resource for all your viral and flu epidemiology information needs written by science experts rather than policy wonks is Effect Measure:
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/
Hugs,
Ooze
landofthefree @
129
Exactly. Having been to some of the countries that have the “epidemic” in the past couple of years, I can tell you that people are not panicked at the Avian Flu Ground Zero.
Well, that’s logical, because the issue is not Avian Flu, but Pandemic Flu. They are quite different things.
Bird flu infects birds, which infect humans. And it stops.
Pandemic flu will occur when it doesn’t stop, because humans infect humans, and the disease multiplies within days and weeks.
Yes, and how much time will we have when a case, and 3 cases, and 9 cases, and 27 cases, and 81 cases become clear?
Yes, I suppose that you should not get prepared.
I don’t trust George Bush, either. So following your lead, I do need to mend my ways.
If George Bush said that the sun rises in the East, I should stop believing that it does.
Because it is more important to distrust Bush than to trust my own senses.
Others may want to look at the likely misleading messages that will come out from the government, and at the proposal for real, substantive messages, at this website: link
(And beyond that, I think it will be a lot harder to dismiss signs of election fraud in 2008, too)
Rick @
142
They never vote more than once. They just rig things so that dead, poor, disabled or elderly Dems vote for as their proxies :P
I missed this…this stuff just gets deeper and deeper…
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/215
PROF-
I read DemfromCt and pay attention to news via newsnow/birdflu. Lots going on in china and indonesia. They are not culling millions of birds for nothing. There are more of us paying some attention than you might think.
Terry Olson @ 135
Curious in Central Texas @
49
AZ Matt @
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lolo @
57
Lolo, I have some food on hand, certainly not a year’s worth. What do you have and how do you store it. What I really wonder about is how do you plan to cook and preserve it?
I don’t have a year supply. I have rice, beans, lentils, eggwhite powder. stuff like that.
TeddySanFran @
84
Woo Hoo Teddy! Thanks for the linky in the bargain.
On a related note to this article, I recall sometime….last Summer, I believe, when Karl the Coward made an appearance before some lawyer convention in DC. It was covered by c-span, and some hoped to hear the Coward comment on the Plame matter. He didn’t speak on Plame.
However, he did devote his speech to his view of an on-going problem: voter fraud. He talked about problems in many states, including either Oregon or Washington. He condemned various motor-voter laws and cited rampant fraud.
Little did we all know what Karl the Coward was doing deep in the background back then.
Ghostman
Ghostman @ 155
It is a very important narrative to Karl. Vote suppression may be the Republicans’ only hope of survival.
Kalliope @
139
I don’t even have enough food in the house to make it through tomorrow. When my partner and I fled Houston (for hurricane Rita), he brought stuff from home, and I brought what I could buy from Target (after the bread and water was already sold out). He brought a 5 gallon jug of water, bread, peanut butter, and a few other sensible items. I brought chocolate syrup, granola bars, Pop Tarts, and the first season of “Desperate Housewives”.
Eli @ 133
My point is to focus and not allow republican propaganda machines to turn your efforts into an attention deficit. Stay focused on the more problematic stuff. This is a pattern. They pull the most terrible shit then come out with a lesser crime to admit to or put into the noise machine.
Kalliope @
138
Thanks for the tips, Kalliope! You’ve motivated me to get this together – it’s always ‘I’ll do it sometime”…
OT — Am watching Barbara Walters interview Rudy and his wife. Ms. Walters has truly “jumped the shark” in terms of her on screen integrity. She and the current Mrs. G are personal friends. BW should have made that clear she she did this puff piece as if she’s a neutral journalist.
More will come out about both Rudy and Judy’s backgrounds … and it won’t be pretty. I find Rudy’s running to be beyond hubris. He’s Dubya with brains and “an attitude”.
Almost time for Bill Mahr.
Ghostman: I believe it was in this speech cited by McClatchy:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..962753.htm
Eli @ 159
I really don’t see any honest argument against motor-voter laws in this day and age. In fact, I don’t see why my driver’s license and my voter card can’t be the same thing. My last driver’s license (in Texas) required me to give my fingerprints. It’s one thing to show up with someone else’s birth certificate to get a “fake” ID. It’s quite another to avoid having your fingerprints show up twice in the system. I would imagine that that sets off all kinds of alarm bells.
Kalliope @ 139
Thanks, and I don’t pretend to be any kind of expert, but we need to keep comfy shoes and water in the car.
angie, 164: yeah…..I bet that’s the one. I think you’re right. The assembly being some sort of leading R team lawyers does ring a bell. So, it was in the Spring, not Summer.
Well, it does go to show how far back this mess was in the planning stage.
And I agree with Mr. Probst….a D.L. as ID will get you NAILED if you’re up to no good…thus a D.L. as ID ought to be just fine.
Ghostman
Eli @
158
We need to make sure that we have an absolutely massive grassroots voting-integrity effort ready by ‘08… a monitoring program at every precinct, Dems volunteering as pool workers, etc etc
Arlen Specter, Mitch McConnell, John Bolton, Tom Davis and more were speaking at their annual fest just today…
http://www.rnla.org/Events/Eve…..ventID=358
Blub @ 166
I wonder if this is on Dr. Dean’s radar at all. I would hope so.
“Is voter fraud a Republican scam?”
It is a scam to make voter registration so tight that it disenfanchises large numbers of people.
Rove accuses Dems of voter fraud, when he himself is pushing fraud, thru disenfranchisement via judicially imposed voter registration hurdles.
“Judicial Activism” goes hand in hand with “Voter Fraud.” He accuses Dems of it, but in reality is himself the guilty one.
It’s an age-old Rovian ploy.
It’s like the biggest whopper of all: “Iraq is an imminent threat to the United States” when the situation was so clearly the exact opposite.
Steambomb @
160
Oh, so institutionalized voter suppression is not a big deal?
And is it inconceivable that the USAs weren’t fired for *both* reasons? Is it coincidence that so many of the fired USAs were from swing states? And is there some reason the Congressional committees can only investigate one motive?
My point is to focus and not allow republican propaganda machines to turn your efforts into an attention deficit. Stay focused on the more problematic stuff. This is a pattern. They pull the most terrible shit then come out with a lesser crime to admit to or put into the noise machine.
Voter Fraud is a legitimate concern but in the context of the US Attorney firings it’s Rove ‘code’ for whatever, IMO
stingray @ 169
Exactly. The disenfranchisement itself isn’t really fraud so much as discrimination – but it’s *based* on fraud.
Geez, Prof. No need to get snippy. I never said there was a massive scheme and Bush is making up Avian Flu and whatever Bush says is always a complete lie. I just said my opinion is that Bush and some of his minions hyped the notion of a massive pandemic flu caused by a mythical mutation of avian flu reaching our shores very soon. I remember clearly him talking about how we might have to quarantine major cities. That was completely out of the blue, and frankly rather panic inducing among a lot of people.
I’m sorry, there are many diseases that could mutate into a horrible, deadly pandemic. There always has been that threat, and it’ll always be around. There are plenty of experts in contagious disease that are studying the potential risks. I just don’t see any reason to hide in my house right now and buy a warehouse of cipro and tamiflu.
Alicia, Terry Olsen, Prof, Frank Probst, et al. –
I am not an expert on this either, but the BushCo. scare tactics and their idiotic danger rainbow, not to mention their duct tape against terrah, was just too much to put up with.
So I informed myself, then sat down my Family, and we decided what we needed to know and do to feel fine.
The idea was: prepared, not scared, and free to think of pleasant things.
Frank — it sounds like you and your partner have both found the right partner ;)
Ann Coulter is neither a minority, an immigrant, nor a Democrat. Discuss.
EvilDrPuma @ 175
My God, what a terrifying thought.
TeddySanFran @ 177
I certainly think so. We wound up in Mountain View, Arkansas for a week, and we actually did watch the whole first season of “Desperate Housewives”. :)
TRex upstairs
Steambomb @ 160
Click on some of the tags in the right column and find out just how much attention these subjects are getting, before you start telling us what to look at. There are enough people here that not much is missed.
Dr Evil Puma -
Ann Coulter is neither a minority, an immigrant, nor a Democrat. Discuss.
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Are you sure that she is not a minority?
Is there anyone like “it”?
However, she was in court for voter fraud–maybe someone already mentioned this. (I had to skim.)
landofthefree @
174
Sorry, I must have mis-read you. And let the argmentative lawyer in me come out.
I also am not hiding in my house.
But I am slowly getting up off my inertia and figuring out whether and how I should “stock up,” because I am becoming convinced that this really is “the big one.”
But there WAS voter fraud in 2004 – Only it was RETHUG dirty tricks. And AFAIK, there never was an investigation here in Oregon.
morrigan @ 182
I’m sure they learned it from the Clintons…
Could anyone still be held to account for the vote suppression in 2000 election in Florida? As I recall it prisoner names were provided by a Rove-connected company in Texas and used for mass mailings that threatened punitive action if any people with those names tried to vote.
My guess is that the statute of limitations has run out on that, but perhaps not?
I’m a little more concerned with the creeping evangelicism that’s so pervasive here. It’s simply soaked into everything, almost like a subliminal message.
Has anyone figured out exactly where those 150 alumnus pod people from Pat Robertson’s BibleThumper U. ended up being planted? Or was that just a talking point for the website?
stingray @ 184
Even if it hasn’t, the trail is probably pretty cold. I’m sure there’s plenty from 2004, and probably 2006 as well.
Bugboy @ 185
The Dominionists scare the crap out of me. I *hope* that they’re too few and not well-connected enough to be truly dangerous, but there doesn’t seem to be much reason to believe that…
Eli @ 158
Rover, lap dog of the traitorous executive branch and worst administration in our history.
Conyers has proven himself to be a weenie. I’m hoping that Waxman takes this on head first. Anyone who saw the Lurita Doan meltdown knows he is the one…..
dakine01 @
23
That is soooo Maggie Thatcherish who incidently brought the world BSE through HER abdication of oversight of Britain’s agricultural processes.
AZ Matt @
34
Can’t resist even though epu – Repub mascot = Mastodon (or DoDo, anything extinct)
AZ Matt @
82
And the current scandal is Bushie-gate!
Bushie-gate
Bushie-gate
Bushie-gate
Why isn’t Ann Coulter in jail, then? She tried to vote in the wrong precinct. And why did THAT investigation fizzle?
JML @ 142
I think the Rovian vision of voter fraud was successful in 2000 and 2004. But now we know the game plan. Paper ballots should return until the electronic machines are credible, if ever.Anybody with the power given to these sleasy operatives can rig an election. The disenfranchised votes probably would have swung both past elections to the Democrats. I’m glad there’s a new sheriff in town to shine light on this.
This “off campus” email – the RNC accounts and the gwb.com or whatever else Rove and the WH used to circumvent the WH mail system – could be a real treasure trove.
Looks like Cheney and Rove short circuted a very serious problem when they had Carol Lam dismissed.
Via TPM: Cunningham briber Mitchell Wade often bragged about his juice with Vice President Dick Cheney. Now Laura Rozen has more on the Wade-Cheney connection.
– Josh Marshall
Former US Attorney Carol Lam didnt get the DOJ/Rove memo from the RNC mail server: Henceforth Political Corruption cases will be tolerated as long as they only target members of the Democratic Party. Please try to remember that “Just-Us only applies to those of us in the GOP”
The cunningham/wade primer
http://tpmmuckraker.com/cunningham.php
The First Contract
New questions arise concerning Mitchell Wade’s first White House contract — and his connections to the vice president.
http://www.prospect.org/web/pa…..leId=12612
upurr @
56
AZMatt -
I love your idea – hope you bring it up repeatedly arond the blogosphere…
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Whoa! Let’s think about this for a minute. If we separate out current rethugs by referring to them as “Bushies” (much as I love the idea) do we not then confer some legitimacy on the rest of them? You can’t tar some future rethug candidate who has no record of supporting Bush with the label of “Bushie”. But if you stick to (holding nose) “Republican”, you snare the entire bunch in your net.
While I think “Bushie” is a grand term for someone like McCain (and even Lieberman) I’m afraid it won’t work well for us if we do this across the board.
In the better-late-than-never catagory, I scooped Eli. This maybe my one moment in the sun Eli. I posted the Weezer too…the day before you.
Hey Hope!
Nice to see you.