
(No, not THAT Samson.)
As we get started with the hearing, Sidney Blumenthal reminds us to "follow the e-mails" this morning.
The discovery of a hitherto unknown treasure-trove of e-mails buried by the Bush White House may prove to be as informative as Nixon's secret White House tapes. Last week the National Journal disclosed that Karl Rove does "about 95 percent" of his e-mails outside the White House system, instead using a Republican National Committee account. What's more, Rove doesn't tap most of his messages on a White House computer, but rather on a BlackBerry provided by the RNC. By this method, Rove and other White House aides evade the legally required archiving of official e-mails. The first glimmer of this dodge appeared in a small item buried in a January 2004 issue of U.S. News & World Report: "'I don't want my E-mail made public,' said one insider. As a result, many aides have shifted to Internet E-mail instead of the White House system. 'It's Yahoo!, baby,' says a Bushie."
The offshoring of White House records via RNC e-mails became apparent when an RNC domain, gwb43.com (referring to George W. Bush, 43rd president), turned up in a batch of e-mails the White House gave to House and Senate committees earlier this month. Rove's deputy, Scott Jennings, former Bush legal counsel Harriet Miers and her deputies strangely had used gwb43.com as an e-mail domain. (emphasis mine)
Too bad for them that Rep. Henry Waxman is on the case. There is much, much more in Sidney's article, so please read the whole thing. This should prove to be very, very interesting indeed.
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SEN. LEAHY OPENING: Sen. Leahy begins, telling everyone that there are still votes ongoing in the Senate and there will be accomodations made to allow voting while the hearing is ongoing.
Kyle will be testifying with representation by a WH attorney, and will do so voluntarily. They will be discussing the mass firings of US Attorneys.
Leahy says that Gonzales says that mistakes were made, but appears to say that if they were, they were mostly Mr. Sampson's. And that most of the information shared with the Congress was incomplete. We are asking that Mr. Sampson provide the truth and the whole truth about what happened in these matters.
Leahy says that he wants a Justice Department that is an independent prosecutor system that prosecutes without fear or favor, and that prosecutors deicisions on when to bring — or not to bring -a charge is done independent of political considerations. They should merit the trust of the American people.
We have heard a series of shifting explanations and excuses, and it seems that the Administration does not understand or own up to the seriousness of this situation. We must ascertain whether incomplete information was provided, deliberately or otherwise, to this committee and to the Senate. I take the right and the duty of advice and consent very seriously — when someone tries to use a "back door" way to get around this advice and consent, it does not sit well.
Meetings with various WH officials have been contradicted by the sworn testimony of US Attorneys and the e-mails that were given. A lot of the material has been erased or removed. Despite initial claims of no WH involvement, that has been subsequently proved to be false.
US attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. But the justice system does not — it is for the whole of the public. Our justice system is the envy of the world — it can be easily eroded, and we must be vigilent in protecting its foundation. The US Attorneys who testified were concerned that political advantage and the mixing of partisan political roles was mixed into the system of justice, and that is a serious concern and wrong, if correct.
Ranking member still held on the floor, now yielding to Sen. Schumer and will yield to Specter and Hatch when available.
SEN. SCHUMER OPENING: Just seven weeks ago when I chaired the first hearing on this issue. Since then, the Senate has voted 94-2 to overturn the provision int he Patriot Act back door appointment provision. Going through the litany of resignations, and all of the inconsistencies of what the Senate was initially told — and what they now know happened. "Maybe no one has anything to hide and everyone acted honorably, but it is sure hard to come to that conclusion after the events of the last seven weeks." It is not up to the DoJ to show that it behaved well, not for us to show that it behaved badly.
Many people in the DoJ are pointing the finger at Sampson, but today we hear Mr. Sampson's side of the story. I hope that we will hear more of the facts that have eluded us thus far. His testimony is the logical next step of the investigation. Plan to pursue lengthy factual questions when my opportunity comes up today. The purpose is not "gotcha," the purpose is "just the facts." Based on the facts that we already know, the situation is grave. Whether the AG was intimately involved in this "de-back-le" or whether he allowed it to go on and didn't even know, either way that is a substantial problem.
The DoJ must enforce the law equally, without fear or favor.
They are waiting for other Senators to return from a floor vote. Taking a brief recess.
10:35 am ET: Sampson sworn in. (Mary, he's wearing a yellow tie this morning.)
SAMPSON: Came voluntarily without subpoena. Have been public servant, and observed a numberof things that happened in this matter. happy to share with the Committee the things that I DO remember. The decisions were part of an internal process that were an aggregate of senior DoJ officials — consensus based process, DoJ officials who were informed about USAs performance. Performance for Presidential appointee judgment differs from civil service evaluation — throws in management abilities, relationships with law enforcement and other factors.
If that USA has aliented the department in Washington, that USA is unsuccessful. (CHS notes: Ah, yet another reason thrown into the mix. The AG didn't like me.)
Also throws in David Margolis as a credibility factor. (CHS notes: smooth, if true — and the committee should consult Margolis to see how much input he was actually given on this.)
No US atty was asked to resign for any improper reason, to my knowledge. To my knowledge, based on everything I have seen and heard, I believed that every USA selected for firing was done so under apporpriate reasons. Nonetheless, I believe the DoJ's response was poorly handled. (CHS notes: this is the point where he falls on his sword.) Apologizes to DoJ colleagues for his role in this. Resulted in confusion and embarassment. As chief of staff, I could have and should have, prevented this — I felt honor bound to accept my share of the blame. I did not intentionally mislead the Congress.
Focus of perparation for McNulty's testimony was on other subjects and not on WH involvement, so we just inadvertantly didn't talk about it, Sampson says.
8 years ago, I moved my wife and children to DC, because I was interested in politics. Worked with Hatch, and it was an honor to do that. I believe in public service, and I have devoted myself to doing so with integrity.
(Final vote — Leahy leaving to vote, and will be right back.)
Sampson continues: Appreciate Sen. Schumer saying this was not a "gotcha!" Hoping that he can share information with Congress and, frankly, put this behind me and my family.
Sen. Kohl holding the gavel while the vote is ongoing. Break in proceedings until Sen. Leahy and others are back from voting.
10:45 am ET
Restarting the hearing at 10:57 am ET. Sen. Leahy discussing the series of roll call votes, and Mr. Sampson is re-entering the hearing room. Will yield first to Sen. Specter for opening statement.
SEN. SPECTER OPENING: Begins with a discussion of roll call vote niceties and apologizes for being on the floor. It is Specter's hope that this hearing will provide some coherence, accuracy and veracity as to what is going on here. Senators have to make a determination as to why the USAs were asked to resign — there is a concensus that the President does not have the right to ask the USAs to resign for a "bad reason" Mentions Lam's investigation of former Rep. Cunningham, and whether Iglesias was removed for not pursuing a prosecution of an issue of voter fraud when their was no legal basis for doing so.
Right now, it is generally acknowledged that the DoJ is in a state od disarray, with morale low, and with USAs not able to exercise their discretion with these questions hanging out there. We need to know whatwas the role of the AG. He has said that he was not involved in these discussions — and that statement is contradicted by e-mails. Want to see him, eyeball to eyeball, on the witness stand.
Lots of questions — not just USAs, but also national security letter questions. AG has serious questions to answer on that.
Then there is the role that Mr. Rove played, and we need to hear from him — candidly, sooner rather than later. This needs to be aired out, so that the DoJ can perform its role in the national interest. Specter says that he has discussed Miers and Rove's testimony with Fielding — President is wrong to insist on no transcript. Has to be written down — that is the essance of our judicial system. Prepared to agree with the President that they need not appear before whole committees — limited number of officials fromboth chambers in Congress. Thinks public has a right to see these, but that is negotiable with Specter as well.
Have to respect Executive privilege. (CHS notes: what about the substantial discussions that were going on outside any talk wit Bush? and the outside e-mails? Those are arguably NOT covered.)
SEN. SESSIONS OPENING: I served as a USA for a number of years. I think that some President's just do not understand how difficult a job the AG's office is. Sometimes, AGs have difficulty in the job because they didn't have the experience to do it. (CHS notes: Nice backhanded slap at Gonzales there, Sessions.) Sessions says that the President should supervise the USAs — and goes through the immigration talking points as an example as to why the supervision is necessary. Goes through some questions raised by e-mails — notes that Sampson brought up the Patriot Act provision that might have obviated the Senate's advice and consent requirements. Sessions says that Sampson appears to have been sensitive to DoJ concerns — and says that if Sampson had been listened to, there might not be this problem.
(Sampson looking thoughtful as Sessions is talking.)
Sessions says that he is inclined to bleive that he has never met finer people than those who work at the DoJ, it is a difficult job, and the AG deserves a fair shake. We will have hearings, we will get facts.
Starting a new thread for questioning.



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Help needed please from an FDL devotee in Toronto :-)
can anyone provide me a direct link to the live stream of the stand alone Real Media Player for this Hearing?
Although I’m now viewing the live stream via the built-in RM player version within CSPAN’s page, I’d prefer to watch via the “stand alone” RM player version because i can re-size and expand the screen to my liking.
Thanks in advance~
(I don’t get CSPAN up here on our cable system).
UPDATE Link provided by pseudonymous in nc thanx!
Karl! and Kyle!
Down together!
selise @
43
And Schumer says we are going to be here a LONG time, getting “just the facts, Ma’am.”
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v o x p o p g i r l @
1
the stand alone link is at the cspan page. Look under where is says watch/listen, it says ’stand alone player’
v o x p o p g i r l @ 1
judiciary.senate.gov
I’m assuming Schumer’s “Department of Injustice” was intentional.
voxpop
CSPAN’s page should have an option for a stand alone player
Recess, waiting for other Senators.
Taking a recess for the completion of ongoing votes. My guess is that this could be anywhere from 10-40 minutes.
Anyone else have a knowledgably narrower estimate?
Leahy’s “A lot of the material has been erased or removed.” is new, isn’t it? There was suspicion around the 18-day gap, but is Leahy basically saying the archives were scrubbed? Or that it was done off the books?
(Standalone C-SPAN3 for RealPlayer.)
thanx everyone~!
actually, i did go directly to the page and click on the “stand alone” RM player for what, at that time, was labelled CSPAN-3 (because it’s on CSPAN-3, right?). However, the feed i got was for something titled “Ladies and Gentlemen, Bronx is Burning”.
thanks for the direct link everyone!
Whew boy! I can’t wait for this one. What was the yelling form the peanut gallery about? Did anybody catch it?
Someone needs to write a definitive definintion of the difference between political & policy. Until that gets into the conversation, Rove et al will continue to pretend it’s all teh same.
itwasntme @ 12
Anti-war stuff, I think.
Recess time for Sampson to ponder Leahy/Shumer statements, or not. Or just get his game face on. That tight lipped frown doesn’t really cut it…
Marie Roget @ 15
I was once my opponents’ main witness in a lawsuit. Never mind the details. The breaks were much more difficult than the time on the stand. All that adrenaline with no place to go.
chimpy live on cnn…
twolf1 @ 17
again? wasn’t he just on yesterday?
now THIS, is “must see TV”! Recess to set up the rack for maximum truth-telling.
You know what’s so stupid about all this? What will fall out of the mouths of the witness and the Repugs on the Committee is content ginned up at RNC with Rove’s guidance.
“The law is king.” — Tom Paine
twolf1 @ 17
Wha?
Is he trying to distract from this hearing by offering his special brand of crazy-making inanity “live”?
Does the US of a non-WH e-mail address mean that Bush can’t claim executive privilege over the release of other e-mails that were on the RNC server that have yet to be released?
thanks for the direct link everyone~
selise @ 18
It was just a brief statement, i wasn’t really paying attention but he said something about taxes.
Is chimpy dancing with Blitzer on CNN or is David Gregory going to do a guest stint at CNN to show off his arze-kissing routine to Miss Piggy Rover.
Rayne @ 20
And apparently the “ginning up” went on on RNC servers!
Mrs. K8 @ 22
Again, more lies ain’t gonna do much to distract from the another batch of lies.
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MSNBC reporter (forgot his name right now) said about 20 minutes ago that Leahy and Schumer were going to make sure to not make Sampson the big kahuna “fall guy”, because they intend to get closer to the top, to Rove, Gonzales et al.
is there a place to watch this online? i’m at c-span in the internets but all i’m seeing is a budget hearing. is this the same?
Senatoe Schumer mentioned the vote to ovrturn the provision in the Patriot act that was surreptitiously inserted after dark. Why haven’t they looked into how that happened? Is it because it was embarrassing for them having passed it without knowing it was there? Or because it was linked to Senator Specter? It seems to me they needed this to be able to complete their purge. This wasn’t done only by a rogue operative in the DOJ in concert with a chief of staff in Specter’s office. And wasn’t that staffer appointed to a USA position? I’m aware staffers are advisors and confidantes but not LAWMAKERS! they weren’t ELECTED to anything and are purely political operatives for their boss!
Sampson is speaking now.
It looks awefully lonely at that red cloth draped witness table.
Ooh…the puppy lawyered up. Who’s his lawyer?
selise @ 18
something about shiny objects. . . . look over here >>>>>
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i think i found it. never mind.
Morning, y’all. How long do we figure the voting break will be? Is this the time to take a shower and get of one’s “pajamas?” ; )
Have a feeling we’ll be here all day. (rubs hands in
gleeanticipation)another yellow tie.
the MSNBC reporter was Chip Reid – not on the stage with Rove last night
MSNBC is carrying hearing live
CNN has Sampson live… for now…
RevDeb @ 38
the yellow ribbons for our justice system
Rayne @ 34
He got his own lawyer?
Generally good news in a situation like this, because personal lawyers have a way of pointing out how one’s own interests may, ahem, diverge from those of one’s bosses.
Rayne – his lawyer is Berenson who used to work in WH Counsel office with Harriet and Abu
tejanarusa @ 37
they’re back now.
Rove Jr. in yellow tie giving his statement.
nellieh @ 31
I suspect that lawmakers trusted the system which has worked for decades without such perversion. They are not blameless, but they must trust and rely on their staff.
Obviously Tolman is not trustworthy.
j.cro @ 30
CSpan3 or link
Sampson’s lawyer is Brad Berenson, an associate counsel in Bush’s first term.
Speculation on Salon that the 18-day gap was because the little GOPpers were away for Thanksgiving, and thus using off-the-books servers. Which means that it’s time to send the Feds to the server room in Tennessee.
He really is a Mini-Karl, isn’t he?
cbl @ 43
Thanks, cbl, I missed that. Who’s Berenson with? Akins Gump? heh.
“he lawyered up”–see Christy’s intro – it’s a White House lawyer.
RevDeb @ 38
Years ago, when I was on Wall Street, yellow ties were power ties–some reverse psychology thing. I would have thought the fashion would have changed by now.
A little cottonmouth, Mini-Rove?
Didn’t Rove help Fitz uncover about 250 e-mails that were not archived by the White House archiving system during the Plame investigation?
oh puhleeze trot out the failure to work with other agencies crap ! like that ridiculous Issa border guard note
cbl @ 43
OK, maybe a bit LESS likely than a ‘real’ lawyer to point out to his client how his interests might diverge from those of his old crew.
j.cro @ 30
on CSPAN 3:
link
j.cro @ 36
I was just about to say that if you want a stand-alone player link, to use one of the links provided to voxpopgirl above.
For instance, I’m using the stand-alone RealPlayer version, and what I like about it (once I figured out how to click the option) is the opportunity to have it fixed on top of THIS page, so I can see the good chat here at the same time.
Just a hunch, but I think they’re gonna eat his lunch; I’m betting he’ll make the woman who testified yesterday (forget her name) seem positively articulate.
Wow, they just don’t want to keep digging their hole.
cbl @ 43
Oh, strike my earlier comment. A lawyer with this background is clearly also serving as a “minder” for Sampson.
this guy’s got weasel written all over him.
“asked to resign” = fired
Sampson: “What started as a good faith attempt…”
Can they get him for perjury on that? Nothing in this WH or it’s satellites starts in ‘good faith’.
Ohhhh, the incompetency defense! Wow, how utterly unpredictable. *yawn*
Now he’s breaking out the wife and children.
What about “Checkers”?
This sounds eerie-ly like Oliver North during the Iran-Contra hearings. Sampson is a fall guy for the principles.
Sampson: “A benign rather sinister story.”
Oh, well, we can all go home then. Right, Kyle?
Fuckwit.
I’m watching at nbcnews.com. But every time I scroll, the video minimizes and I have to keep popping it up. Or, is there a solution to that?
“the truth as I observed it” = reality creation process in which I participated
sorry to be ot – but did anyone see laurita doan’s g.s.a. hearing yesterday???
during the part of her testimony i observed, (an hour), she addressed the panel as “you guys”.
“you guys – you should come down to the gsa & meet some of the people who work here – they’re really great!” (she said this at least 3 times)
it was as if she were talking to the girls on her cheerleading squad about meeting some cool people she knew. (givemeabreak)
talk about shinny shinny look over here – she was like a child trying to get her mommy not to look behind her at the milk she spilled on the floor. her whole demeanor was totally inappropriate – let alone that she gave the republican rally call 1/2 a dozen times:
“congressman/woman – i really dont remember”
only she took it a step further & added – i “honestly” dont remember.
if you’re in the mood for some congressional amusement – ck out her hearing at cspan
link
Are the Senators snickering yet?
My heartfelt thanks to all at FDL (front-pagers and commenters) for the live blogging at this site.
These are the Watergate hearings for this generation. What we’re doing is central to the process of rescuing our country.
And if “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” is going to be invoked, then we’re the kids back home who print the real story and distribute it by little red wagon, in defiance of the corrupt actions of the moneyed Machine.
Frank Capra would be proud of us. :-)
Does Kyle want any cookies?
Cue the suffering wife with tears, and the fainting couch.
What’s with all this voting? There’s work to be done here!
Sounds as if he wants to be the hero to the Republican Party.
“I believe in public service” = as long as it serves the Republican Party and establishment of a theocracy
jinny @ 76
That would be his first mistake.
anti war protester in the background – “fire all the liars bring the troops home now”
leahy walks out while he’s in the middle of his personal plea. yes.
One blogger (forget who, sorry – TPM, maybe?) pointed out using the RNC email precludes them from claiming that the emails fall under executive privilege.
Fiesty crowd.
Who was that hollering “FIRE ALL THE LIARS BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW” ….
Peanut gallery weighs in – “Fire all the liars, bring the troops home now.”
Is Sampson’s wife wearing Mrs. Alito’s dress?
twolf1 @
17
So?
greenwarrior @ 80
while kyle’s in the middle of his personal plea.
Oh baby, we have clearly reached a tipping point when every hearing is punctuated with protestors against the administration and the war.
What I find amazing is how this became a national issue. Huge gratitude to Josh.
greenwarrior @ 80
That should be a hint to The Rovepelganger that it’s time to start talking turkey.
What a farggin weasel!!!!!!!!
A meely mouthed pseudo-thug. These Goopers are really horrible aren’t they?…trodding out the wife and kids defense…GEEEEZzzzzzzz
Rayne @ 77
This would be a nice talking point for Democrats going forward.
Kyle Sampson voluntarily testified under oath and in public because he believes in public service.
Why don’t Karl Rove and Harriet Miers believe in public service? Why won’t they testify under oath and in public like Kyle Sampson?
What is it with these apparatchicks, all 30’s promoted beyond their competence? “In my 8 years of service?” “Serendipity?”
I think not
Herb Kohl, left to mind the store.
49 Ayes so far on the Iraq supplemental. HoJoe’s a Nay.
…make that 50 with Landrieu.
CNN has Yglesisas back on – talking about the personal impact of the firing
Oh that was precious – Leahy walks out, but says, yeah go ahead Sampson finish up while I’m out.
Heh.
Iglesias live on CNN now
ouch! meant to write Iglesias.!!
Okay, are these legitimate votes–poorly timed–or is this more Repub guerrilla tactics as Leahy hinted–interrupting the hearing with ginned-up votes?
eCAHNomics @ 51
One of our fave commenters, Mary, had a theory that those who were wearing yellow ties were lying their *sses off. Since then, we’ve been watching for the ties.
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CityGirl @ 99
I wouldn’t put anything past them. But if tactics like this are all they got, they’re screwed.
jinny @ 76
Senate Judiciary Hearing = Republican Career Track
what was the woman yelling about??
all i heard was “war criminals”
itwasntme @
12
Protestors shouting “Fire all the liars. Bring the troops home now.”
Hard to disagree with that.
I’m unable to watch. Are the wife and three kids there?
j.cro @ 36
I was just about to say that if you want a stand-alone player link, to use one of the links provided to voxpopgirl above.
For instance, I’m using the stand-alone RealPlayer version, and what I like about it (once I figured out how to click the option) is the opportunity to have it fixed on top of THIS page, so I can see the good chat here at the same time.
Solai @
68
Is it their own special media player?
If not, if it’s something like RealPlayer, then go into “View” in the menu at the top of the player and there should be a choice that says “On top while playing” or something similar.
Clicking that will keep the player in place.
If NBC’s player won’t let you do that, go to either C-Span’s page for C-Span 3 or the Judiciary Committee’s hearing page (link given by someone else above), and then choose the player and when it fires up, make the choice I described above.
nellei at 31: “This wasn’t done only by a rogue operative in the DOJ in concert with a chief of staff in Specter’s office. And wasn’t that staffer appointed to a USA position?”
It was Brett Tolman what put it in, and now he’s USA in Utah. He was brought on during hatch’s charimanship, Specter kept him around. Howie Klein claimed last night here at FDL that Tolman did this behind Specter’s back, and that he should be called to testify.
Mormon Mafia.
Morning Christy, dawgs!
Late to the Lake, again?!
Lessee, with that dandy “do-nothing-Congress” label rover came up with, I’m gonna aassssuuuume there’s no “there” there today, any more’n dere were yestidie, eh? *g*
Hoo Boy! This would be a good week, if only I could forget Iraq & those others we shall not name. *shudder*
Gogettem Waxman’s Raiders!
The Gang that CAN Shoot Straight!
Swordswoman @ 72
It was invoked yesterday by a couple of the Reps telling Ms Doan that her “Miss Smith goes to Washington” act was wearing thin…It was also on TCM yesterday afternoon.
twolf1 @ 73
“Come to the dark side. We have cookies!”
(Stolen from one of the commenters at ThinkProgess last night. I don’t remember who. If you’re reading, sorry.)
CityGirl @ 99
Or are they Dem psychological guerrilla tactics designed to discomfit the weasel on the hot seat? If we’re gonna talk conspiracy, we can take it more than one way.
Leahy just voted (yes). He can go back now.
Cant get it up. No, not that! CSPAN. Servers must be straining. That means people are paying attention, but its dam frustrating.
There’s an ‘open’ mike on at Reuters. I don’t know those who are talking. They have a live feed for the hearing and it’s picking up conversations.
http://www.reuters.com/home
Jim Clausen @ 93
There’s a specific reason — they are preparing to populate the judiciary with lifetime appointed youngsters who are confirmed mouth-breathing, Kool-Aid drinking partisan theocrats.
I hope Sampson has clued in that he will never sit on the bench if we can prevent a Republican majority.
Jim Clausen @ 93
Standard route: College GOPper, intern at college or law school, work on the campaign, get hired after the election. Perhaps spend time at Morton Blackwell’s finishing school, or on wingnut welfare. That looks like Monica Goodling’s career path.
Heck, Dan Bartlett is only 36.
But Mini-Rove is going to feel like a little boy, I suspect, once the Senators start on him.
CityGirl @ 99
I was watching the vote earlier. Baucus (sp?) frivolously insisted on a roll call vote on an amendment that was destined for voice vote. He was the only negative vote, with 96 ays.
Make your own conclusion…..
CocoaBeach @
105
I think there should be some sort of award for the first one who changes a baby at the witness table.
Aha–transmorgrified from power ties to liars’ ties. Does Rove have boxes of them that he dispenses for testimonial occasions?
Iggy @ 81
This is the key to unwrapping this present. That and disposable cell phones and blackberries. We may yet be glad NSA is monitoring certain people. Let’s hope Leahy or one of the committee members has some questions about this today. I’m still hoping for a true Alexander Butterfield moment…
Pat_AlexVA @ 75
That’s how I feel.
OTOH, it might rattle Kyle, so that’s an upside.
*xyz @ 92
Ooh. Good point. Nicely served.
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Yglesias on Sampson’s comments about political aspect -0 working with other agencies, etc
“Kyle Sampson has never been a prosecutor”
oh yeah David, bring it !
Iglesias just ripped Kyley boy(Mini Miss Piggy) a new one….BWAAAAAAHhahaha
*xyz @ 101
CityGirl @ 99
Okay, are these legitimate votes–poorly timed–or is this more Repub guerrilla tactics as Leahy hinted–interrupting the hearing with ginned-up votes?
I wouldn’t put anything past them. But if tactics like this are all they got, they’re screwed.
There was one vote on germane-ness, but this is the last vote. And I think Leahy’s vote gave the Dems the 51 they need.
Doan: “…totally paranoid.” (vid)
thinkprogress
Frank Probst @ 118
I think having to get a solid whiff of the smell of shit he helped create would be ample symbolic reward.
Deacon Blues @ 58
How could one forget the comedy stylings of Lurita Doan? Just thinking about her makes me …Ooops! Wet ‘em!
Iggy @ 81
I’m not sure how they’re going to ensure they get all the emails. Can anyone enlighten me on the process?
As I mentioned above, break time is much more difficult than time on the stand. All that adrenaline with noplace to go.
Is his opening statement exactly as published last night or did he change it?
Tonster @117–Well, then, Reid should have warned our side not to do. The interruptions for votes help their side–the cable nets and the casual viewers start wandering away. Questioning loses momentum.
I think in his statement, Kyle gave an opening for a mack truck. His claim that coordination and consultation with LE played a role could be a downfall for him as the only one I heard that did not get along and have respect of FBI and others was Ryan in CA.
Someone said:
.
I can’t stand yellow ties. Yellow is fine, wonderful in fact as a color! But straight yellow for a tie – nope. Sissy, woosie (how do you spell woosie?)….yuck.
Yea 51
Nay 47
Iraq supplemental bill passed
51-47 in the Senate.. It a slow but steady erosion of the chimpocracy
Vote finished on CSPAN2. Someone made motion to re-consider, Reid said no more votes today.
“I believe in public service,” as in the Twilight Zone famed ep “To Serve Mankind” definition of service…
eCAHNomics @ 119
One of our fave commenters, Mary, had a theory that those who were wearing yellow ties were lying their *sses off. Since then, we’ve been watching for the ties.
Aha–transmorgrified from power ties to liars’ ties. Does Rove have boxes of them that he dispenses for testimonial occasions?
I like yellow ties and wear them a lot. Should I stop – or is there some exemption?
Senate just passed it’s version of the Iraq war spending Bill.
Lurita Cloan, Lurita Droan . . .wonder which one they’ll use on the indictment
CityGirl @ 132
Reid stepped up and pointedly noted that baucus was entitled to a roll call vote under the rules….even if he wanted to just waste 15 min. of the peopl’s time. I guess under the rules when Baucus moved for a roll call vote and it was seconded, they had to do it.
there does seem to be a lot of media attention – good!
Wow, 40 minute walk on the treadmill just flew by…might have to buy another cheap laptop to attach to this treadmill with superglue.
C-Span is now showing hearing room footage again, so hopefully the flor vote will be completed and we’ll get started again shortly.
Having worked for Senate-confirmed political appointees, and having been required to review their performance appraisal requirements, Sampson lied outright to the committee.
Presidential appointees do have a formal performance requirement, which often have numeric goals for the part of government for which they are responsible to meet. There are additional goals and objectives that may include addressing politically sensitive issues. But in my experience, I never saw overtly partisan political requirements as part of a performance plan.
Iglesias on CNN: couldn’t disagree more with Sampson’s assertion that there was no diff between political and performance….
Ain’t it a be-yotch when your carefully scripted opening statement gets nuked by reality while CNN’s filling time during a Senate vote?
Meanwhile, Placeholder-in-Chief giving brief chest-thumping photo op statement re “no strings.”
iirc,Leahy said wrt to the votes that he hopes it is just people exercising their duties and not the other side putting up these votes…
Schumer had said that Reid had cleared the schedule so the hearing could proceed…
dakine01 @ 109
Swordswoman @ 72
My heartfelt thanks to all at FDL (front-pagers and commenters) for the live blogging at this site.
These are the Watergate hearings for this generation. What we’re doing is central to the process of rescuing our country.
And if “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” is going to be invoked, then we’re the kids back home who print the real story and distribute it by little red wagon, in defiance of the corrupt actions of the moneyed Machine.
Frank Capra would be proud of us. :-)
It was invoked yesterday by a couple of the Reps telling Ms Doan that her “Miss Smith goes to Washington” act was wearing thin…It was also on TCM yesterday afternoon.
Lurita Baby invoked it her own self in her opening testimony. She sees her own “narrative” as being right out of the movie.
Barf.
Delusional.
Anyone know what Repubs voted for the supplemental? Any Dems vote against? Lieberliar?
Is it possible Leahy left deliberately in the middle in order to slap at Sampson? Because Leahy certainly looked as if he was sitting there thinking, “This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.”
I’m enjoying this much more than I should.
We’re back, folks.
scory @ 146
Did you work under the Bush 43 administration, though? I’ll bet they’ve changed all the rules…
Wow! Reuters’ feed even picks up Leahy’s comments about the photographers & not being able to stretch out his legs w/o kicking someone.
david baerwald @ 113
Try going thru the Senate Judiciary Com page — they have their own connection. Link given in the comments above.
Folx it’s likely that FDL will slow down during the Sampson hearings. If you want faster discussion turnaround (and I warn ya, it’s like crack to touch this chat area! LOL) you might try opening a SEPARATE BROWSER WINDOW and then visiting http://gabbly.com/firedoglake.com .
Sign in so you’re not anonymous and chat away. Don’t refresh the Gabbly window. Refresh this window as per normal. You can shrink the sep Gabbly window to taste and adjust the size with the little icons at the top right. Play, learn, ask, we’ll help.
There’s a buncha firepups who started hanging about there during the hot and heavy Libby live-blogging when the site had smoke streaming from its poor ears and we couldn’t stand not being in touch. About 5 to 10 of us still hang out thereabouts during the USA daytime. Could be more pups today. We’ve had up to 90 during verdict day (I remember hooking up with Gabbly from a vaca hotel in Santiago Chile — awesome to be so connected from so far away.)
Tnx to Rayne for discovering and promulgating Gabbly. It’s super, and super-fun.
(Modulo crack warning above) LOL
Ooh, is the Senate sound feed starting up again? Yay, it is!
OT:
LONDON — Britain said Thursday it is seeking United Nations condemnation of Iran for its capture and detention of 15 sailors and marines in disputed waters in the northern Persian Gulf.
The British announcement came as Iran rolled back on its promise to release the sole female British sailor among the captives. The Iranian military chief, Gen. Ali Reza Afshar, said that owing to the “wrong behavior” of the British government, “the release of a female British soldier has been suspended,” the semiofficial Iranian news agency Mehr reported.
AP is finally, and accurately, calling the area where this Brit crew was operating “disputed waters.”
Franco @ 91
As usual, they play the victim card whenever it suits their purposes. This rule only applies to Repubes.
wait a minute . . . did Harry gain a yeay vote on this ??? this hippie is confused
Christy — wouldn’t be great to have Iglesias liveblog here?
Heh. Just sayin’.
Coherence, veracity. Words that don’t describe Arlen Spector?
Millineryman @ 41
‘the yellow ribbons for our justice system’
It’s been 6 long years, do you still Rove me
;>)
Mandrake @ 158
Franco @ 91
What a farggin weasel!!!!!!!!
A meely mouthed pseudo-thug. These Goopers are really horrible aren’t they?…trodding out the wife and kids defense…GEEEEZzzzzzzz
As usual, they play the victim card whenever it suits their purposes. This rule only applies to Repubes.
Which wife? How many children? Can we get Vennochi on the case. I’m feeling a lot of concern here….
[Modnote: please hold off on requotes during liveblogging, thanks]
More quoting, please! I am probably the only one, but bc of some weird problem since I had to re-install Windows (yeah, I know, get a MAC), I haven’t been able to get audio, just video.
Yesterday’s live blogging of Ms Doan was great for a virtuallly “deaf” pup. More, please, today.
(Altho’, I see Specter up..maybe wait)
looseheadprop, Christy — can a prosecutor or former prosecutor be forced to divulge information about on-going investigations under oath in front of Congress?
Rayne @ 153
Rayne –
My comments are based on my experience in Bush 41-1 and Clinton 42 I & II. Chimpy 43 II has seen some very, ehm, interesting changes in performance appraisal practice, particularly for political appointees and senior civil servants.
Frank Probst @ 118
CocoaBeach @
105
I’m unable to watch. Are the wife and three kids there?
I think there should be some sort of award for the first one who changes a baby at the witness table.
Bahahahaha! Family values and all! But don’t you dare breast feed on a plane.
Mandrake @ 158
Franco @ 91
What a farggin weasel!!!!!!!!
A meely mouthed pseudo-thug. These Goopers are really horrible aren’t they?…trodding out the wife and kids defense…GEEEEZzzzzzzz
As usual, they play the victim card whenever it suits their purposes. This rule only applies to Repubes.
And then, they play the “going after porn” card. Just look at Gonzo.
Love the typo: perpetration of testimony — as in 1. to commit: to perpetrate a crime.
cbl @ 159
Looks like it. Either that or there was a change from yesterday in who didn’t vote.
Good lord. Sampson looks just like some Mother Goose drawing of Humpty Dumpty about to take a fall.
Is Specter starting to worry about his legacy? He seems to be asking the right questions.
As per Blumenthal’s article, could it mean that records of the emails, and possibly the emails themselves are logged in Yahoo’s server? Couldn’t that be subpeonaed in the same way that the FBI (or was it the NSA) was trying to get their hands on records like that? Wouldn’t that be ironic?
Specter muddying the waters again.
How can Arlen even show his face at this hearing.
He is responsible for this whole shitstorm because it has his staff that sneaked the provision into the Patriot Act allowing appointment of US Attorneys with no confirmation requirement.
I would love to see one of the other senators point this out to Arlen.
Due to Arlen’s personal legislative involvement in creating the problems that the hearing is meant to investigate, Arlen has a conflict.
This needs to be spelled out, on the record.
eCAHNomics @ 172
Specter loves to ask the right questions…or look like he’s asking the right questions…just before he votes for a knife in the American citizenry’s collective back.
Cozumel @ 135
Does anyone know the roll call?
Sorry to be a pain since I’m sure this has already been asked, but does anyone have a linky to the Oversight Committee website live feed? I tried unsuccessfully to find it on there. I went to the “Hearings” section which just listed past hearings.
Solai @
131
I didn’t notice any significant changes — and I was listening for them, but not closely.
Specter aka Chipmunk is a liar!
Specter just filling time. Treading water. No questions being asked.
prattling on about how we can work it out with the WH to talk about these things like reasonable droids.
Oh No!
Just watching repeat of call-ins to C-Span this a.m. & it’s obvious some of yestidie’s ghosts are still rattling around. Dumbell caller used the pugs’ “best” line of that momentous session:
“We’re straining gnats and swallowing camels.”
Golllllieeee! They want to be remembered by that?! ooohhhhhkaaaaay. *sigh*
ohmagoodness, missing Arlen’s pearls ‘a wisdom.
Bye fer now! *g*
What wife and kids defense did he use?
btw, NPR just played a clip of Sampson’s statement – he has just the sort of high weasely voice he looks like he’d have. (just sayin”.)
Arlen Specter- The new face of Weasel.
Could someone please tell Arlent to STFU.
Arlen freaking created this US Attorney problem and he has zero right to comment on it!
Frank Probst @ #118 – it just smells like somebody is changing a baby at the witness table when the GOP apparatchiks sit there.
RevDeb @ 181
He likes to hear himself talk cuz no one else listens to him anymore.
Rayne I’d like to thank you for providing us with the visual of the day: Treadmill walking with laptop, commenting, drinking coffee. You’re taking it to new heights. LOL!
PS do senators ALL speak so slowly?
list of links to hearing audio & video:
c-span3
senate judiciary committee
c-span radio
MN Public Radio (click the ‘listen’ link)
hey wait a minute – nobody told me Jeff Sessions was gonna be involved – he makes me ill.
Arlen says the upcoming hearings with Rove/Meirs/Whomever do not have to be open in front of the public. What part of the wishes of the people does he not understand?
The “politics is the same as performance” talking point is going to backfire on them, I think. That line just gets them right back to how they got into this mess in the first place: They said the fired AUSAs shitty lawyers. None of those people who were fired is going to be able to let that assertion go unrebutted. It’s hard to get another job when the interviewer has to ask: “Aren’t you one of those shitty lawyers that the DOJ just sacked?”
RevDeb @ 181
Stay tuned! Surely Sessions will share his great fount of wisdom…. *g*
kdh22 @ 187
Yuk, and he’s going to be my senator soon. Got lots of work to do.
And as ever, HeeHaw Sessions carries water for Bush and the Bushies.
Woops, never mind. I was thinking about the Senate Judiciary website.
shut up Specter– you are not the chairman anymore!
he sez: the oath is always salutary…but not necessary.
RevDeb @ 181
in all fairness, it was his (delayed) opening statement.
too bad he couldn’t use the time to speak on the topic at hand.
nomolos @ 190
Why doesn’t Arlen try to be a good public servant like Kyle Sampson?
Kyle Sampson recognizes the value of open hearings, under oath. Why can’t Arlen?
I worry about Rayne and her laptop first time she’s reading, drinking coffee, and has a spew alert.
Sessions=another WEASEL
BTW, Just donated some dough to FDL. It felt really good! I recommend
donating to this fine project for the feeling of well-being it gives. Do it now and feel the warm fuzzy!
angie @ 196
I sez: fuck salutary.
I wish we’d get on with the questions here…
Frank Probst @ 191
There is no honor in this administration. They will never tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It’s not their philosophy…has something to do with the lack of parenting they received as children.
CUT TO THE DAMN CHASE!
Thanks Mrs.K8. Also found that it can be captioned (if available). Since I’m at work with sound off, that would be nice. There doesn’t seem to be captions for this one, but I’ll keep it in mind for future.
RevDeb @ 193
kdh22 @ 187
RevDeb @ 181
Specter just filling time. Treading water. No questions being asked.
—
He likes to hear himself talk cuz no one else listens to him anymore.
Yuk, and he’s going to be my senator soon. Got lots of work to do.
my condolences Rev
Tithonia @ 188
Why thank you…if this string of hearings continues, I may lose a bunch of weight and regain my formerly buff legs!
Coffee not a good fit, though, unless I get one of those beer-drinking dispensers with the straw…
And yes, Republican Senators do speak this s-l-o-w-l-y. Time killing.
Via Reuters
Breaking News
Senate approves ‘08 goal to bring troops home 10:59 a.m. ET
The Senate on Thursday defied President George W. Bush by passing a war-funding bill setting a goal of withdrawing all American combat soldiers from Iraq within a year.
Did Sampson get sworn or not? Is he getting a free pass because he came w/o subpoena?
What a squeaky little piggy he is. I smell bacon.
tejanarusa @ 211
He got sworn in. Leahy will not make that mistake.
Rayne @ 208
Rayne
It’s called a beer bong…or so I’ve been told
tejanarusa @ 211
He was sworn in, FWIW
tejanarusa @ 211
He was sworn in.
y’all apologize to weasels everywhere -
Senators Sessions, Kyl, and Graham prepare for . . .
That was weird. My RealPlayer feed got stuck in a cycle like a scratched LP.
Leahy now lining up the documents. He’s gonna go right for the specific statements.
Parsing — has not seen the President since he left the White House.
Ask: Has the President participated in any fashion in any meeting in which you participated in regards to the U.S. Attorneys?
rxbusa @ 218
It’s not you, it’s the feed. They have been having burps now and then.
I have an “IANAL” question:
Can they use the subpoenas already approved by the House and Senate to search/confiscate/whatever the RNC and Bush/Cheney ‘04 servers?
And why do ya’ll think those e-mails/servers haven’t been asked for already?
If they subpoena those servers do they then have to wait until the RNC/whoever hands them over or can they send in officers to confiscate?
Or, am I just getting ahead of myself here?
RevDeb @
213
tejanarusa @ 211
Did Sampson get sworn or not? Is he getting a free pass because he came w/o subpoena?
He got sworn in. Leahy will not make that mistake.
Whew. Thanks.
he sez: the oath is always salutary…but not necessary.
Oh really? Why are we bringing that up now? What is its relevance to Kyle Sampson?
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Kyle Sampson doesn’t look like much of a match for Leahy.
everhopeful @ 222
Knowing Waxman, he’s way ahead of us here.
“preexecution necessity”
Nicely put.
kdh22 @ 214
Um, well, if you ever see a “coffee bong”, I need one. ;-)
Reminder about the Gabbly link for idle chat – look earlier in this thread for a post by SOS in MA for the link. It’s a great place for chat and comments on the testimony.
Let’s keep the comments down here so the server gets a break!
Umm, I feel obliged to make a correction. I am indeed an expert in this field, and the beer hat is not a beer bong.
cbl @ 217
Okay, point taken. But I refuse to apologize to “wrinkled old ass cheeks” around the world.
Sen. Leahy, please ask for a definition of “Karl’s shop”.
Fresh thread, for Sampson questioning. Up and running.
Ut-oh, Sampson getting a bit of an edge to his “I don’t know’s”…
It’s a bit early, puppy. Pace yourself.
Pat_AlexVA @ 229
I sit corrected. I just mainline coffee these days. My beer bong AND beer hat days have long passed…ahh the memories.
Rayne 209
That brings up a question from yestidie. I was dumbfounded by how fast D’ohn spoke. Apparently she hadn’t learned that trick yet, either. heh
I want someone to put Carol Lam’s stats on immigration prosecutions in the congressional record.
In 2005 that office had 140,000 indictments with a total staff of 114 to handle that many cases. 1/2 of that office was dedicated to immigration prosecutions which means 57 CA SD DOJ staff were working on approx. 3000 cases per staff member and obtained an increase of 42% in 2005.
AND Paul Charlton AZ USA had a 91% increase in immigration prosecution in 2005.
Part 2 upstairs…
Kelly/ Jennings etc. email reads “Karl would like to know some particulars.” Sampson: uh, uh, uh.
Is Sampson going to cry?
Oh I can see where there would be days that a coffee bong could be helpful…maybe I need both a coffee hat and a coffee bong.
RevDeb @ 221
rxbusa @ 218
That was weird. My RealPlayer feed got stuck in a cycle like a scratched LP.
It’s not you, it’s the feed. They have been having burps now and then.
right after the latest “burp”, I got it onto stand-alone player mode, then minimized the main window onto C-Span, & mine’s working well now. Got FDL open on regular-type window filling rest of the screen. So I don’t know if I, or they, solved the problem for me, in case this helps…..
naah – they’re still having mini- “burps”, but only when Arlen’s on. Is it him? Someone check & see if he has a little pedal or sumthin… Hands on the table, Arlen!
Pat_AlexVA @
230
Oh, absolutely. A beer bong just uses beer as the coolant. I’m not sure it adds anything except a nice hoppy finish.
Or so I’m told.
Rayne @ 240
Hon. Do you have an Emergency OFF switch on that treadmill? ;->
gonzo is gone!
oops – drops a dime on Abu!
i have to go out – hope i can catch repeat later this evening – i’m sure comments will be very interesting ;o)
jayt @
245
AAAgh! (scream of frustration) What did he say????
I see gwb43.com has been scuttled. To longer found on the DNS servers.
WHOIS result
I’m sure the electronic equivalent of shredding has ensued with dispatch and gusto.
.
mui @ 239
… uh, only if someone else comes up with all the documents he conveniently ‘forgot’ to bring to the hearings(?)
oops! another “uh”, with a pronounced quaver to it, and in response to a question from Arlen. Someone better have his Depends on today. It’s gonna be a long and wicked uncomfortable day for Someone….
tejanarusa @ 247
jayt @
245
oops – drops a dime on Abu!
AAAgh! (scream of frustration) What did he say????
Gonzaelz’s statements not accurate (but I think he cleared them up) heh.
ohgawd.
Talking Point of the Week:
“I don’t remember.”
Why don’t they just engrave it on their foreheads before they ever enter the chamberofhorror?!
EvilDrPuma @ 176
eCAHNomics @ 172
Is Specter starting to worry about his legacy? He seems to be asking the right questions.
Specter loves to ask the right questions…or look like he’s asking the right questions…just before he votes for a knife in the American citizenry’s collective back.
I’ve never seen a better analysis of Arlen Specter. The man is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
EvilDrPuma:
I think that in fact Arlen Spector is not a wolf in sheep’s clothing, but the other way around: a sheep in wolf’s clothing…
a chimp in wolf’s clothing in sheep’s clothing