Administrator Doan doesn't recall anything about saying anything about politics. Just in case you were wondering.
Rep. Tom Davis makes the point that these meetings are arranged by the White House liason to the GSA. The White House Political Office prepared the slides, not Doan, and they presented them. (CHS says: Interesting, Rep. Davis, perhaps you'd like to subpoena Mr. Rove to talk about the planning of said meeting presentation, then?)
Davis is a bit cranky this morning and he and Waxman are having a bit of a colloquy about the timing of the "brown bag lunch" — because CA employees would have been having lunch at 9 am. Davis then says that maybe "they can look into that and find some genocide to blame on that." Groans from inside the hearing chamber. Davis quickly moves onward to pricing negotiations.
David and Doan discussing the SunMicrosystems contracting. Davis trying to give Doan the space to discuss why she felt it was important to keep Sun in government contract — she says major IT provider, and GSA is the premiere procurement agency in the government and that they use the internet a lot. Davis asks let's assume that we went the way of the IG and had knocked Sun off the schedule? Doan says Davis would have to ask Jim Williams for clarification on that. Davis is now walking Down through what would happen — procurement option, time factors, etc.
Davis: What was your role here?
Doan: My instructions to Commissioner Williams…my job is to just provide some managerial oversight, I'm at a higher level. My job is to make sure we get the best value for the American taxpayer. Asked Williams to look into it and, gosh, our contracting folks sure are fabu.
Davis: Obviously IG has a different view on this. Did you say "cut a deal no matter what?"
Doan: I don't remember saying that. I'm more about options.
11:35 am ET
Davis, in the understatement of the century says: You don't have a good relationship with the IG, do you?
Doan says: Well, I think it has been overblown in the press, but I think that oversight needs to have oversight. (CHS: shorter answer — true.)
Davis now talking about the $20,000 purchase order — wants her to discuss the IG's intimation that Doan was giving a sweetheart deal to a friend. Doan says she thought a stuy of how they were doing was necessary.
Davis isn't interested in her diversity studies issues, and wants to talk solely about why this was a no-bid contract. Doan said that her job was to take action and move this forward. The minute her Chief of Staff told her that she couldn't proceed this way, she stopped it. Says the whole process took about 10 days.
Rep. Cummings up now. Concerned about her memory in being unable to answer questions. Seems like you remembered not much of anything that Mr. Braley asked you, but conveniently you remembered lots of details about Mr. Davis' questions. You received training n the Hatch Act when you took office, did you not? Doan: Yes.
Congressional Research Service was asked about Hatch Act, the WH presentation, and the alleged comments that Doan made after the presentation. CRS has made a report to be entered into the official record. CRS says that the presentation raises serious questions — partisan political campaign connection given to partisan political employees and slanted toward a particular poltical point. Doesn't that describe the meeting to a tee? Doan is confused. Again.
It is hard for me to ask you questions when you don't seem to have a memory of this particular issue. Minority owned business information is my passion, I remember stuff about it — but violating the law is boring, and I just don't pay attention to that. (CHS: I'm paraphrasing here. She must have said "this was not my meeting" about 20 times this morning already. Pass the buck, anyone?)
Office of Special Counsel is looking into this, Doan says.
Cummings asks her, knowing what she knows now, would she do something like this again? Doan: Absolutely.
Cummings, incredulous at this: Really?!? Doan: Backtracking now.
Cummings asked if she gave $200,000 to the GOP. Doan says: Yes, I am happy Bush is President. He is a great man to lead the country in troubled times.
11:45 am ET
Mica back up now, and trying the "oversight is just plain mean" line of questioning. "They targeted you…"
(CHS notes: After the lovely Westmoreland performance from the Plame hearing, it looks like Davis brought in someone more competent at political badgering. The unfortunate thing for the Republicans on the committee is that even with Mica trying to lead her through a series of questions, Doan won't take the hint and the help, and continues to demand the opportunity to ramble on about tangential matters that don't answer the questions.)
Rep. Watson (D-CA) up now. Discussing the troubling trend of politicization of agencies by the Bush Administration, including DoJ. She is concerned that what has happened at the GSA may have happened at other agencies. Did Mr. Jennings give this presentation at other federal agencies? Doan: No idea. Did he prepare this just for the GSA? Doan: No idea, ask Mr. Jennings.
Waxman says from what the GOP members of the Committee have been saying, that it is a routine practice, and we ought to look into that with all the agencies because it IS a violation of the Hatch Act.
Watson asks: Why did they choose your agency to do these presentations? I think your agency has been targeted and you have been used to spread WH political targeting in your department.
Am going to start a fresh thread.
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Thanks CHS!
I am not a liar. R Nixon.
Waxman!
Denies not inviting Democrats to events.
That one will get her a perjury charge–just on the Pelosi issue itself.
I don’t remember
Honestly, Davis, I only remember the cookies!
It was during the people’s lunch hours.
Only, Tom, it was on government property.
Waxman: In CA, it’s not lunchhour.
Davis is actually screwing the WH in hopes of saving Doan–”This was done by the WH, right?”
emptywheel @ 3
Don’t know the reference. Quick explanantion?
Davis;
I worked in the Nixon White House.
Hmm. No wonder you don’t mind the politicization of normal government work.
Davis’ sarcasm about genocide and fed employees’ lunch breaks.
Truly tasteless.
EW @ 4. Great catch.
eCAHNomics @ 6
Someone at the meeting (and it may have been Doan) asked how they could avoid inviting Pelosi to the opening of a new court house in SF.
So her denial APPEARS to be a denial of stuff that people have already testified to.
emptywheel @ 6
Well…he WAS in the Nixon Whitehouse.
ew@10. Thanks.
pelosi on cnn re: today’s chimp presser. i have it on mute though b/c cspan 3 is much better.
Attention Virginians, Tom Davis will be holding a series of Town Meetings this coming Saturday. So come and ask him about this, Iraq, Plame, and anything else.
Have fun!
goodgawd! doan’s that incompetent? or dense? or bizzy? that she’d parrot totally partisan pep-talk to govt employees in the workplace & have no consciousness of same either while she’s doing it or later?
no…. just following rover’s instructions… imho
GO WAXMAN! NAIL her BOSS! please.
Shorter Doan:
Wish I was back in private business where stealin’, lyin’ and cheatin’ is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Who knew that government service meant tellin’ the truth, obeyin’ the laws, and…and…rememberin’ stuff?
EPU’d from below…
Davis just bragging about having worked inNixon WH and that DC is a “political town”. What a maroon as bugs would say…
Davis looks like he went on a bender last night. He is such a tool of the radical right/WH. It’s amazing.
Doan is another radical right appointee who apparently had no idea what was going on in her agency. At taxpayer expense.
Merry Waxmas!
Lurita “cookies” Doan
Good morning, all!
Christy – thanks for posting that MadTV link in the last thread. Terrific stuff!
I’m so glad you all have been blogging the Waxman hearing. Great stuff!
Sun Micro stock has languished since the .COM bubble burst.
Sun’s solaris operating system is not (or at least was not) compliant with Government computer security requirements. I’m not saying the GSA was buying Sun’s equipment for an inappropriate purpose.
I’m sorry, I can’t remember which scummy thing she’s been hauled in front of the committee for. Explain, someone? And how thrilled am I that we’re having so much oversight that I can no longer keep it all straight!
EPU’d
You know what’s funny?
This isn’t even one of the hearings that we’ve all been waiting for with bated breath, like the Samson hearing coming up.
And yet even this hearing is revealing all kinds of scandalous and damning information.
This administration is corrupt, through and through.
TRex’s “core sample” metaphor helps illustrate the point.
If we take a core sample of any aspect of the administration, we reveal multiple instances of corruption and criminality. This was true in the Libby trial, and it is true in every one of the hearings thus far.
In fact, describing “instances” of corruption and criminality is probably the wrong way to say it. In the Bush administration, one instead finds isolated “instances” of professionalism and law-abiding behavior.
It is growing increasingly clear that the norm, the backdrop, the default for this administration is criminality and corruption.
emptywheel @ 6
Obviously, Davis didn’t get up-armored as I suggested. His party is really gonna take a hit on this one, despite Grassley.
The House of Scandal Meets House of Saud…
Maybe upon retirement, or earlier, Our Benighted Emperor can move to Dubai and be the masthead for the new Haliburton Headquarters..
conniptionfit @ 22
Politicalization of GSA…
1,468 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
C-Span-3 is streaming the hearings…”NOW HEAR THIS, NOW HEAR THIS…ALL PATRIOTS MUST GO TO YOUR COMPUTERS OR CABLE ACCESS TO C-SPAN-3″…
This is this issue that’s gunna bring Rove to the Congress and to indictment…the systemic correuption and money laugering was institutionalized thru CSA.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE CARMEL FOR THE POPCORN!!!
I just do managerial oversight.
I don’t really know what anybody does, though.
“I’m more about options.”
She and Davis trashing the IG now…
In corporate law circles, Paul McNulty is best known for being the author of this memo doj PDF setting out the DOJ’s policy for rewarding corporate defendants for “cooperation” if they are willing to waive attorney client privilege in corporate prosecutions. (See Section VII)
The encroachment on attorney client privilege over recent years prompted the ABA to form a task force on attorney client privilege abanet link , and prompted the ABA president to send this letter to the SEC respecting the ABA’s concerns about the erosion of this cornerstone legal principle. abanet PDF
Last year, a NY District Circuit court held as unconstitutional DOJ attempts to prevent a corporate defendant from paying legal defense costs for its employees. 435 F. Supp. 2d 330 (SDNY 2006).
I will be curious to see whether Mr. McNulty becomes more favorably disposed towards those legal protections he has been so avid to see others give up.
maybe we could get her cookie recipe for satidie “Pull Up A Chair”
oh. mebbienot. she “only does managerial oversight”
Here’s the slide show–very big PDF file.
Can anyone think of a Bushco agency appointee that impressed them as half-bright and competent? Frankly, my expectations for their people were pretty low but as this cast of characters actually crawl out into the light, I am shocked at their quality.
OT call for action: about those secret RNC servers used for WH business….
Please check out this comment posted at dKos, which includes a link to a very important diary about what the secret servers might have. We should be putting a lot of pressure on the media to cover this.
“Oversight needs oversight” Doan – D’oh
DairyMaid @
12
And he admits it!
Doan: Oversight needs oversight.
GrandmaJ –
If you’re still with us, would you care to share any of your Condi stories from Stanford? We’d love to hear ‘em. Thanks.
dakine01 @ 30
every man (read criminal) for himself!
“No money changed hands…” trying to say much ado about nothing…
From the “McNulty Memo” on DOJ and corporate defendants (Section VII.2) DOJ PDF
Waiving Attorney-Client and Work Product Protections
……..
Waiver of attorney-client and work product protections is not a prerequisite to a finding that a company has cooperated in the government’s investigation. However, a company’s disclosure of privileged information may permit the government to expedite its investigation. In addition, the disclosure of privileged information may be critical in enabling the government to evaluate the accuracy and completeness of the company’s voluntary disclosure.
Prosecutors may only request waiver of attorney-client or work product protections when there is a legitimate need for the privileged information to fulfill their law enforcement obligations. A legitimate need for the information is not established by concluding it is merely desirable or convenient to obtain privileged information. The test requires a careful balancing of important policy considerations underlying the attorney-client privilege and work product doctrine and the law enforcement needs of the government’s investigation.
Whether there is a legitimate need depends upon:
(1) the likelihood and degree to which the privileged information will benefit the government’s investigation;
(2) whether the information sought can be obtained in a timely and complete fashion by using alternative means that do not require waiver;
(3) the completeness of the voluntary disclosure already provided; and
(4) the collateral consequences to a corporation of a waiver.
If a legitimate need exists, prosecutors should seek the least intrusive waiver necessary to conduct a complete and thorough investigation, and should follow a step-by-step approach to requesting information. Prosecutors should first request purely factual information, which may or may not be privileged, relating to the underlying misconduct (”Category I”). Examples of Category I information could include, without limitation, copies of key documents, witness statements, or purely factual interview memoranda regarding the underlying misconduct, organization charts created by company counsel, factual chronologies, factual summaries, or reports (or portions thereof) containing investigative facts documented by counsel.
…..
A corporation’s response to the government’s request for waiver of privilege for Category I information may be considered in determining whether a corporation has cooperated in the government’s investigation. (emphasis mine)
Do McNulty and Goodling think this is a standard that should apply to them?
emptywheel @ 32
I glanced at it quickly. Looks like an RNC strategy memo.
I don’t get it on cable. Somebody got linky?
*xyz @
24
Sam(p)son and DeLeahy.
Hanging everything on 8a (women/minority owned businesses).
Hatch Act – Anyone have a more definitive reading? ie; Is violation of, criminal? Is it criminal to tell someone else – conspiracy – to violate it, eg; House of Rove preparing and giving the power point presentation.
Also, at GSA they “give out all the goodies” – government cars, nice new furniture and computer systems, etc. So, was there any selective “giving out goodies” based on the office head playing ball with GOP’s or not?
OT, but if any FDLers live in San Diego, I’m going to be there for the next week and will buy the first and second rounds if anyone wants to get together and yak.
RealWorld @ 37
It was pretty funny. It was as if he couldn’t remember a thing he has done since Nixon.
*xyz @ 24
Right on. Very well put. I’ve been enjoying your relentless comments about this administration.
CSPAN Links to video and audio and audio only.
Cummings: One of the things I’m concerned about is your memory.
Bravo. Someone had to say it.
WAX da MAN just slapped someone down requesting official lunch time.
Cummins on the case now and questioning her “memory lapses”
CHS @ Top: “Davis is a bit cranky this morning and he and Waxman are having a bit of a colloquy about the timing of the “brown bag lunch” — because CA employees would have been having lunch at 9 am.”
Does anyone really believe that people are going to these meetings and skipping lunch? Or are they just going to lunch after the meeting?
We all know how this works, and we all know that they are not skipping lunch to attend these meetings. It’s just ridiculous.
And Doan is just not credible. She comes across as being just as over her head as Gonzalez.
I do so miss Gilbert and Sullivan. This Davis Doan verbal waltz is surely worthy of an operetta.
She remembered the cookies!
Neil @ 22
hmmm. there’s an Oracle connection in here somewheres.
Big Hank to a question about lunch : 1130 or 12?
“We are continuing with the hearing!”
(No lunch for you!)
If you attend a quality entertainment performance, the impresario will make sure that there is something to watch between headline acts. Kinda like–in the day–when there might be a juggling troupe who performed while the roadies set up for the next band.
Impresario extraordinaire Waxman is making sure that we have something to think about while the road crew sets up for the headliners.
*xyz @ 24
CUmmings:
One of the things I’m concerned about is your memory. You seem to remember July 2006, but you don’t remember an incident that happened two months ago. As a matter of fact, you don’t remember much of anything.
But Congressman Cummings, she remembers the cookies!!
CRS???
Can’t Remember Sh*t!
Ooh, I’m finally tuned in to CSPAN3. Elijah Cummings brings up that Ms. Doan may have violated the Hatch Act. Sweet.
Tonster @ 33
This is why I think they have a problem w Harriet Miers. I think she can’t keep the stories straight.
Exhibit A, that stoopid card she sent to W. (”You are the best Governor ever!”)
Exhibit B, to McKay, “Why are all the Republicans mad at you?”
Cummings is sharp. And relentless.
? says “What time will our lunch be?”
Waxman: (Stares at questioner in disbelief). than he says ” Well we’re going to CONTINUE with ou hearing..
TOTALLY ignores STOOPID question.
There seems to be a recurring pattern of “White House Liaisons” doing all of the grunt work, making presentations about the political aspects of how a department should be run. First, there was Monica Goodling, now some WH liaison to the GSA. How much you wanna bet it’s another 30 something who is trained to just follow orders?
Twinkie defense, meet cookie defense.
-GSD
Lurita Doan. Another incomptent lackey and toady with no scruples, morals, ethics or brains.
Doan is starting to sound rattled.
I’m waiting for her to pull out some small silver balls and, while rotating them in her hand, begin mumbling about “…the cookies…the cookies..”
team building lunches are only with republican appointees…and you “just mosied in…”
heh.
And Doan leads a very busy life, you wouldn’t believe.
bonkers @
45
If I had my way, I would tear this whole building down.
Tonster @ 33
It has been my experience, but admit I am biased against Fundy-Evangelicals, that one must be fairly stupid to follow the authoritarian principals espoused by Our Naked Emperor/Messiah and his Viceroy, Pat Robertson..
Which evangelical church does this dumb-ass go to? It seems to me you must have this in your resume, or you will only get a lower appointment. Is every political plumb job as a “head” of an agency given out by “ONE” (Our Naked Emperor) headed by a Fundy?
I would not be surprised at all.. Big Lie Theory of propaganda lead me to this expectation.
Still bringing up 8a as her “passion.” Article in paper, letter from committee, huge submission, first time they’d ever put anything together for Congress? Team buidling important but not her meeting… God SHE’S A TOTAL EF’FFING IDIOT!!!
corry342 @ 58
Waxman could literally blindfold himself and throw a dart randomly at any part of the Bush administration, and he would strike corruption/criminality paydirt.
Criminality is literally everywhere in the Bush administration.
It would be funny, if it weren’t of life-and-death significance.
The latest Doan talking point, apparently, is ‘Politics isn’t my thing’?
LOL Doan is passionate and will remember things she cares about. Wow. So, we should feel empathy for her and and be impressed by her lack of memory.
Cummings mentions Hatch Act again. I like him.
This is interesting–the top race highlighting the success of the 72 hour strategy is–wait for it–Tom Davis of VA.
Check out page 7 of the presentation…
So a more fundamental question. Is there any part of the executive branch that hasn’t violated the Hatch Act?
Cummins: Would you do it again?
Doan: Oh absolutely. Well maybe not the charts and everything…
Isn’t team building important to you?
Do you believe this is a violation of the Hatch Act?
Doan: I can’t make a judgement. I’m just a business woman in the gov. for the first time.
Doan? I’m too dumb a business woman to be here?
Cummons, knowing what you know now would you do it again?
She tries very hard not to actually answer anything. Lots of throwing hands up.
Cummons – did you give 200000 dollars to the GOP?
Yes, chimp is a great man in troubled times. I’m very proud to support him
Davis taking Mica’s time and being everybody does it…
Cummings: “Did you give $200,000 to the GOP?”
Doan: “Yes, and I’m proud of it. GWB is awesome! He’s the best President in very troubling times, and I’m proud of supporting him.” (paraphrased)
Doan just giggled.
(I think Laura slipped her some happy pills)
Whoops– she loves boosh and gave him big $$$
“We gave to y’all.” Give her a cowboy hat. Apparently, Ms Lorita thinks people wearing cowboy hats who are in favor of government created business opportunities for women and minorities get special accomodation when testifying.
Cummings asked her if she’d approve of such a lunch again. She didn’t answer directly but implied she would.
Cummings
Did you give $200,000 to the party.
Makes her a Ranger. Huh. GOes back to what I’ve said about Pioneering Corruption.
Still on the 8a talking point. “I’m all over it”
emptywheel @ 76
Where’s the link again?
Lame Duck Bush withdraws nomination of Lieberman’s best friend Sam Fox, swiftboat funder and ambassador nominee.
Fox in the shithouse.
George W. is a loser.
-GSD
I am telling you… I have a strong, strong suspicion it is all these Fundy-bots in this administration. These guys are evangelical zombies who never saw a “Father figure” they didn’t drool over.
Vacuous idiots whose minds gave over the power to question anything coming from a father-figure at an early, early age. ZOMBIES!
portia.vz @ 65
LandOfTheFree @ 82
H’mmmmm Meirs anyone?
eCAHNomics @ 79
Yeah, Mica basically said the same. Why are you guys picking on Doan when we’ve got these meetings all over town!
Holy shit! Micah just threatened the IG’s job.
Leaks out of the IG office, they TARGETED you, they TARGETED you.
Not same day but same time frame.
What they do to you they’ll do to others. It’s all a witchhunt.
Look at the time frame. All tehe violaitons were before your time.
Mica has his talking points down pat…
“…In case it’s on TV or something…I love all my vendors”
LOL
Totally missed the ref to “cookies” what’s that about?
White House liasons.
What did the Soviet Union call their political minders? Commisars?
-GSD
Here’s the link to the presentation. Big PDF file.
Look at Tom Davis’ race highlighted on page 7.
Mica: appointees beware! you are being hunted down and vilified unfairly. Poor you, and every other appointee is going to be grilled like you. It’s darn unfair.
GSD @ 90
yee-haw! good. good. good.
I think Mica and Doan need to get a room.
She just thanked her “vendors”. On teevee.
Oh.my.effin.god.
Yep, it’s a fishin’ expedition and they’re landing lunkers!
All a fishing expedition.
Was it a contract? It wasn’t a contract. What’s the big todo?
gosh that Mr. Davis is a nice helpful guy.
“No money changed hands. Right?”
well. alrighty. whut’s teh problum!?!
“This is both a personal & a professional embarrassment.” *sniffle*
followed by a pug wondering out loud to Waxman, “When’s lunch?”
nice try doofus…
“This is a passion for me!… A LOT going on!… A lot on my mind!… Not my meeting!… Came in late!…
I’m a businesswoman who’s in government for the first time… I do not want these committees to be focussed on things like this… […hummahummahumma…]”
Davis & Mica: QUICK! 2-MinuteDrill! ASAP! ooooopsie!?! yeeeouch!
heckofajobDoan! back of the line, please.
t.h.a.n.k.y.o.u.
NEXT?!
emptywheel @ 77
No way! Ooooh, I knew there was something underlying here!
Holy shit.
All of my vendors are great and I’m grateful for your business.
Sorry, Doan, it’s our business, they’re grateful for our business, not the other way around. Unless you want to tell us something???
Mica – you’re a scapegoat! (oh, except I don’t know my facts).
Even if you try to view Lorita Doan with a fair mind, she comes off as a woman very far over her head here. She is obviously a political appointee. She even calls herself “a proud political appointee” (her emphasis). Is she really so dense that she does not realize that you cannot run the GSA as a political operation?
Sun Microsystems is the best value?!?!?
You have GOT to be kidding. They are outrageously expensive and the overhead of maintaining the suckers is ridiculous. (Sorry about that, Sun. *LOVED* what you’ve done with Java)
A Sun could easily be replaced by inexpensive Linux servers for a fraction of the cost. HP makes some nice boxes. Dem-agog @
19
Politics is not her thing, so much not her thing that she gave $200,000 to the GOP. Um, yeah, okay.
Well I guess Ms. Doan was prepared for that contract question because she came ready with big cardboard visuals showing what real contracts look like.
Oh yeah, Watson up.
GSD @ 97
ZAMPOLITS
c’mon Ms. Watson– take her apart!
Rep. Diane Watson-D, CA-33:
“Reclaiming [tiny pause] MY time.”
Is Jennings scheduled to appear at this hearing?
Ms Watson (CA): Political office trends throughout the administration. She’s on Rove about DoJ, Civil Rights, GSA, all the above…
Who was that? I’m sure he had a good reason to ask but because it wasn’t answered and because Waxman didn’t ask him why he was asking, it’s hilarious.
Finally! Watson targeting Scott Jennings.
We now know that Rove’s deputy, Jennings, was involved in both scandals – the USA firings and – the other? I didn’t catch it
Rep Diane Watson (D-CA) gives this investigation the context of all the other politically related investigations and scandals.
I know of you political activities and political donaitons. You right as a citizen. But need to maintain rule of law and we can’t do that as a gov’t employee.
OHPLEASE! I want Rep. Diane Watson to move to OH and be MY Congresscritter!
Dem-agog @ 115
I have a feeling Jennings is becoming quite the liability for the WH. They may want to send him the way of Heckova Job Brownie.
ew @ 93
One meeting at a time, we’ll bring them down, because if this is one of their brighter people, they’ll be toast. Or popcorn. Or cookies!
Every time you turn over something in this, you find Rove or Darth, or both. Does Shrub actually do anything for that big paycheck we’re giving him?
I Know of your political activities, and your donations. It’s fine to be political, it’s your right as a citizen. But we’ve got to maintain the rule of law. When you become a gov employee, you have aresponsibility. YOu cannot use that agency as a political tool.
When you said you couldn’t remember this because you had a busy week, you were turning away from your responsibilities.
All Watson, in her reasonable tone.
Get ready for the smackdown.
Why does Doan keep smiling? She looks like someone who thinks she’s in on a big joke.
Forced her to admit that Jennings gave political briefing to GSA. Waxman: If repubs on committee say it’s routine practice, then we need to check everywhere… God, I wish he were my congress critter…
Waxman—We’re not just asking you, apparently violations of the Hatch Act go on in many organizations.
Bingo
Watson setting up the basis to go after Jennings–to ask him where else he has done the presentation.
Waxman picks it up–the Republicans on the committee say it’s routine, well we’ll figure out where else it has been done.
Bingo.
Watson – this presentation not just tailored to GSA.
This is clearly targeting Dems to take their seats.
Puesto @ 91
I feel sorry for Fundybots. You can bet they have never been allowed to make an independent decision in their lives. Their worlds have been carefully crafted and maintained for them. They’ve been well cared for as long as they don’t step outside the line. To do so means potentially losing their families. If they were born with an ornary streak, it was probably spanked out of them and those of them who *do* have an ornary streak don’t get support from their parents to study what they want.
It’s sad really. Of course, that doesn’t excuse what they do but it puts it in perspective.
dakine01 @ 127
He is, in a way. So long as he holds that gavel, he is serving all of us.
emptywheel @ 130
Roger that!
Did Mr. Jennings show this slide show at any other agency or just GSA?
Doan: I don’t know. Ask Jennings.
Watson: I don’t think Mr. Jennings designed this show just to target GSA and you. I think he showed it at other agencies as well.
Witness tries to “reclaim my time” LOL!!
Watson is NOT having it! I reclaim…MY…time “You have been used to spread White House politicizing in your department. I’m so pleased we are doing what we should do, to hear, were there violations of our rules.”
Never piss off Ms. Watson. Never.
Waxman, you said Politics is not your passion -
Doan no no no
Angry Watson I’m reclaiming my time!
Waxman!
Watson asks if Jennings presented this to anybody else.
Doan: dunno.
Henry: Sounds like what we’re hearing from our friends on the other side that this is normal, and we need to look into it because it is a violation of the Hatch act.
Mica being an a** now.
Wow–Rs fighting over minutes. Must be real dirt here.
shorter Waxman: STFU
Daddy gave her an extra a minute and Mica wants one. Waxman says you asked for 5.
I want that question answered.
Waxman “Oh please”
Special consideration
Do you wish to ask a question or do you wish to talk
Mica is yelling. I never cut off in questioning.
egregious @ 114
isn’t she FUN, though?!
OOPS! There she goes again. Yeehaw!
Reclaiming MY Time!
Ms. Doan. You. Have. Been. Used!
Mica: Yikes, I’m m-e-l-t-i-n-g…..
Waxman: Oh Puleeze!
Dial 911 and call for a Waaahhhhmbulance for Rep John Mica!
Henry to crazy, irate, nutjob Mica:
oh puhleeze!
Parliamentary inquiry. Waxman is walking thru the logic of who gets minutes.
Time goes to Issa.
someone who has the pdf file please skim for MICA’s name. He is such an embarrasment! He’s way too upset not to have some skin the game..
Whoah. Order is crumbling here a bit. Arguing over whether the rethugs can have another minute too. special consideration to the rethugs. Mica screaming at Waxman About unfair time cuz Watson had an extra minute. Waxman said I asked if there were no objections. Mica yelling. Waxman mad. Do you want an answer, or just to keep talking. Waxman red in the face, but calmish. Mica blowing a gasket.
Mica, what a dick.
-GSD
1,468 dayz and thre killn’ goez on and on and..
Firepup Patriots:
Awe gollie geeze…those tewwible Democwats are goin after our pooa, hard workin’ Weepublican appointees…FISHING EXPEDITION, THE DEMOCWATS ARE ILLEGALLY FISHING ENDANGERED SPECIES!!! (endagered species: minority, female, millionaire business persons in charge of government contrats).
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS ARE RUNNIN’ SCARED!!
Watson’s got it.
This isn’t about Doan per se. It’s about politicizing agencies and Hatch act violations across the board. Doan/GSA is just the latest example.
(Waxman to Micah: Bitch, please.)
Micah’s an unbelievable dick.
Mea culpa. Joe Conason in today’s New York Observer:
Ms. Watson is terrific!
She makes wonderful comments, and basically has to make Doan feel like a tool. Watson says that she hopes that the presentation was given to other agencies, or else they were just targeting Doan to be their political tool. Watson wonders out loud why they would target Doan specifically as someone they could manipulate politically. Wow, that had to sting badly.
I didn’t know that they allowed tantruming children to remain in the committee room!
Hasn’t Rep. Issa (R-?) backing off the Bush defense stance to get re-elected?
Issa lobbing softballs now…
Issa is looking a bit “concerned”.
Check his brow.
(heh)
he said democrat and republican twice now.
grrr.
Biodun @ 152
Conason gets it. Does he ever.
Effectively identifies the media pundits, correctly, as a pack of concern trolls.
Issa–federal bureacracy exists for the sole purpose of getting in the way of political appointees at every turn.
OMG Doan is SO relieved that Issa is now questioning her, oh so friendly.
egregious @ 135
Oooo, the mutants learn quickly, don’t they? The committee was so effective in shutting down filibusters last time with the “reclaiming my time” phrase that the mutants have adopted it. Except, they don’t GET any time; the congressperson does. Maybe they can devise a new rule whereby a witness who filibusters does it off the clock so that the congresscritter doesn’t lose any time when they go to ask the next question. Sure, the hearings would drag on forever but the witness would either have to shut up and answer the question or linger on C-Span, slowly twisting in the wind for all of the world to see until Diane Watson was finished.
Nice save by calm-cool Issa:
“Now. Ms Do-uuuuhn?”
“Doan.”
“Done.”
While reading your posts (w/o benefit of audio from CSPAN), I’m wondering just how the republicans will put a positive spin on this for interviews, etc. Any ideas?
JGabriel @ 126
It’s the Tom DeLay Grin (TM). The Tom DeLay Grin (TM) is the perfect accessory for every criminally liable Republican. Whether you’re facing a blistering grilling by a Congressional committee, a mug shot, or even testimony in front of a Grand Jury, the Tom DeLay Grin (TM) will help you look almost confident, no matter how deep you’re wading in horseshit.
conniptionfit @
154
Maybe he needs a cookie?
Award: Dick of the Year.
Puesto @
112
Yupper. :-)
Oooh. Issa now using Vets, disabled vets, afercun amuricuns, small buidness…
emptywheel @ 78
hmmm… makes me wonder where that $200,000 went…
but, what REALLY bothers me is page 2: “wartime midterms”??!!??
obviously polticizing war is MUCH worse that politicizing the GSA. ‘course only the latter is illegal.
My dog Jake tells me that he wished he was a vendor to the GSA
as Doan would kindly give him some collateral kickbacks like an
insulated solar heated dog house with a thermal heated floor.
He would of requested Kobe gets one too. Maybe that guy Wilkes
would of thrown in some alpaca blankets and furnished him with
a luxurious down bed. Jake has never been a zealous rightwing
fundie evangelical port bellie eatin dog-so goes it. Not like Pappy
Bush who loves his chitllins.
Issa: think of a younger softer Feingold who likes to sip Tequila Sunrises at Mom and Dad’s country club
N.B. – reference to Feingold only in relation a slight physical resemblance. NO other similarity.
Lesson of the week.
Democrats should never, ever play politics. It is outrageous for them to politicize politics.
Republicans are always within their right to polticize every wing and section of government. They can do it at their pleasure. It’s their right.
-GSD
Pat @ 163
“Much ado about nothing.” “Political activity” actually “team building.” “Improving minority rep in GSA.” Lotsa R talking points scattered thruout.
Welcome to the Banana Republic of America.
Issa says he recently got a small award from his university…
(too bad it wasn’t handcuffs for that car job, Darrell car alarm .)
carolyn urban @ 171– he is handsome, but he is a dirty bird.
P.S. if you order the Tom DeLay Grin (TM) now, you get a free copy of his new book (which is not selling all that well).
angie @
157
…he said it on Washington Journal this AM too…
1,468 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
The Democrats have gotta get there shit tagether here…pound away on the point that this defiance of the Hatch Act is systemic and that’s why the GSA is bein’ used as an example of government-wide political law breaking.
GET IT TAGETHER WAXMAN!!
Doan: Improving the processes. We just awarded largest 8a…
For the record. 8a is important but can also be a serious scam as often the big guys get large chunks as sub-contractors
Waxman just reminds them that fund raising calls from their offices breaks law…
selise @ 169
I haven’t seen this presentation but I’m curious if Mike Ferguson (NJ-07) is mentioned anywhere in connection to this 72 hour thingy. Is he in there?
twolf1 @ 177
ptooey!
Whadda transparent jerk.
Rep Higgins (D-NY) turn. The witness violated the Hatch act by attending the meeting! Wooops.
Under hatch act Admin is not allowed to be present at political activities (not getting this right) because its considered coercive – this from Higgins
Hi Hautbois!
Ain’t Watson grand?!
You summed it up so well. ;->
Why did Jenning asst call for “close hold.”
Doan: No idea. Not my e-mail.
Another e-mail from gwb43.com!!!
Rep. BrianHiggins-D, NY-27
Hatch Act says administrator not even allowed to be PRESENT at a political event, it is considered inherently coercive. Jan 19 2007 email Joslyn Webster to Ms. Truesdale, Doan’s admin assist.
gwb43 account Rep. National Committee—
Please do not email this out or let people see it. It is a close hold we are not supposed to be emailing it around. {I’m pretty sure I got that verbatim.}
Q Why do you think Mr. Jennings’ assistant would be saying this?
Interesting to see a guy like Mica throw a fit, when he didn’t show up for Valerie Plame.
Tough to be a minority member of this committee at this point. Waxman loves having that gavel in his hand.
Why did Jennings assistant say this was close hold and you were not to be emailing this around. Higgins said: look closely at it – if you look at the address, Jennings assist. sending from GWB account owned by RNC account.
portia.vz @ 180
I don’t see it.
Bingo–now we’re hitting GWB43 accounts.
Higgins – why is Jennings et all using the GWB43.com account – were you aware your staff was communicating with WH officials with a GWB acct
No no no
zhiv @ 186
I love it that Hank has that gavel in his hand!
Scott Jennings to John Horton 1/26/07
2nd email
3rd mail Truesdale. GSA wanted to do trial run on GSA equipment. She says she can’t use equipment. Information is highly sensitive, would prefer not to email it.
Do you know why he would regard the briefing as highly sensitive?
emptywheel @ 189
It is all connected.
Like aspens, some might say.
All the committee has to do is ask the right questions.
And they are.
Info higly sensitive and must not email it (regarding briefing)
OMG, Issa is such a tool. I mean, I knew it when he funded the Califorrnia recall, but geez.
Semi-OT, YAY! MY copy of Anatomy of Deceit arrived today…better late than never.
Pat @ 163
Martha Stewart once brought a plate of cookies to Larry King…..
YES – Higgins brings up the GWB43.com domain.
This is huge, people.
Again, please check out Scout Finch’s excellent diary and call for action on the RNC email servers. This is probably the most important smoking gun, giving us a glimpse at the ugly secret actions in this admin.
It is extremely important that we make a BIG DEAL out of the secret email systems. The MSM should be all over this one – especially now that the Congress has found it.
Doan on teh dodge and weave.
Higgins: highly secret because targeting and analysis…
Appropriate for political hit list. Not appropriate for gov’t agencies to be involved in doing so…
Yeah, Tom Davis wouldn’t know anything about politicization and corruption at the GSA, now would he? Safavian who?
And this isn’t the first time Davis has attacked the GSA IG for beating up on his poor widdle cronies, either.
Higgins – it was highly sensitive because it was partisan political strategy – not appropriate to use gov agencies at advance partisan political agendas
they did this in a gov building during a week day when they should have been doing people’s business
RICO, RICO, RICO.
-GSD
This isn’t a government, it is a mob fiefdom.
1,468 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
OK Firepups, the Dems have got their shit in order now…evidence and the law, don’t let ‘em shout you down…evidence and the law.
portia.vz…
“I haven’t seen this presentation but I’m curious if Mike Ferguson (NJ-07) is mentioned anywhere in connection to this 72 hour thingy. Is he in there?”
Not in the 72-hr part, but is on the ‘08 House GOP Defense, “Priority” defense.
The Karl Rove Grand Unified Theory: total subversion of the entire political process. A radical right coup.
The GWB account used to discuss USA firings and to communicate with Abramoff and his staff. Needs to be investigated.
This guy is great.
Hi Adie – good afternoon!
Wow, this hearing is huge, isn’t it?
Adie @ 196
OK, I’m gonna get in trouble if I laugh out loud at work. Many thanks to all who are providing the details!
It’s all CLINTON’S fault!!!!!
portia.vz @ 180
don’t see ferguson on the 72 hr list, but is there on the 2008 house GOP priority defense list.
marcy has the link to the pdf upthread.
Dan “Scumbag” Burton up next.
-GSD
Can Waxman punch him in the face?
Burton: Appreciate your coming and being so “open.”
Glad you gave money to the Repub party.
Burton now “but but but Clinton.
Now he just called Wax a “reformed lady of the evening.”
Burton I used to be chairman. He (waxma) used to be my ranking democrat. Did he just say “boy”? STFU
But all Clinton’s folks did worse…
Nice whore reference, scumbag Burton.
-GSD
Did Burton just call Waxman a reformed WHORE???
Hey, Burton, your “tenure as chairman”?
ITS OVER
Yep. Two wrongs make our wrong right.
dakine01 @ 36
If I remember right, Doan was the one who got in trouble with her IG because she wanted to contract out the oversight over outsourcing.
Re: Burton: I guess when you don’t have any place else to run, you can take all your time smearing the Dems.
This is just awesome.
Waxman’s committee is a well-oiled machine. Everybody has their topic. I would say we should identify the power forward, shooting guard, etc., but I’d rather see emptywheel break it down from the rugby perspective.
Mica, Issa, now Burton–good to see all the guys who didn’t show up for Plame.
Hank – Use your gavel on Burton – literally and figuratively!
Bill Clinton! Hillary Clinton!
Let’s rehash some 8 year old horseshit.
-GSD
OMG. Who is this clown? And is he going to ask a question?
Here’s the link with the GWB43 emails.
Isn’t there something in the Congressional rules abut calling a fellow member of the House an ex-whore in commitee hearings, as Burton just called Waxman?
Comity is really going out the window today.
debit @ 224
Nope!
Hey burton’s all red in the face again. Shaking his finger, how bad the dems were. How horrible Clinton was, and what a hypocrite Waxman is.
One of the committee members just stated that 150 members of the Clinton admin either took the 5′th or left the country to avoid testifying before congress. Anyone have the real data on that?
Dan Burton R-IN just called Waxman a whore: “There’s nothing more [hypocritical?] than a reformed lady of the evening.”
Now Burton is reliving the good old days, Clint erainvestigations.
Call the hatchetman a wahhhmbulance.
I’m glad Burton brought up the subpoenas for Clinton White House officials.
And Burton gave the Bush Admin. a free pass- surely more valuable than anything the Dem ever gave clinton!
Yes, Mr. Burton, they forgot where they put 30 year old Rose Law Firm Notes that have nothing to do with MY tax dollars.
Scumbag…..Scumbag…..Scumbag…
-GSD
“do me a favor…”
Sorry, no favors for you Burton.
Balrog @ 48
Sure. I’d love to if I can fit it into work schedule. I think there are a few other FDLers here as well, so keep posting your request.
Huh. Nope, not one question.
Burton and WAx going at it now. Burton: And now you’re going to have to eat it”
Burton – re the dems – I have high resp- ReGuard for you – couldn’t bring himself to say the RESPECT word.
LandOfTheFree @
197
Yup yup yup!
Civility has left the building.
burton the blowhard
Can we get the report?
I love the smell of a whiney republican in the morning.
Hooboy.
Burton wants to go after newspaper coverage of Clinton scandals:
Congressman BUrton: “Now you’re going to have to eat it”
Davis: Assault less on you (Doan) but more on admin. Did you ever see the e-mails. Doan: No
Wow, the Rethugs are loosing it big times, like cornered animals. One just told Henry to “eat it.”
Davis sounding perfectly reasonable and sane after burton
Dan Burton stamping his feet and crying. Good lord these people are a bunch of babies
Time for Waxman to start banging heads.
OT
Why is the refresh button not visible?
Meantime, Waxman has been pretty unflappable.
Well, Burton probably won’t pass muster for the new NASA mental stability screening…
carolyn urban @ 243
He’d better. His name is in the PPt presentation.
Dem-agog @ 204
If you elect people who believe “government is the problem,” they’ll have no compunction about twisting government to their purposes, because it wasn’t doing anything important anyway.
However, that doesn’t explain the degree to which they were willing to do this with defense and intelligence, which are among the few functions that even “drown it in a bathtub” wingnuts believe government should be doing. These guys are even lower than the nuttiest wingnuts. No principles at all.
Burton. I conducted SIX years of investigations!
Mr. Waxman, your 6 weeks of investigations are way too much.
-GSD
McCollum: Did you sign anything after briefing on Hatch Act?
Doan: I don’t remember but I can get back to you…
can waxman kick burton out?
angie @ 38
What does Cookies think elections are?
BC
FWIW, wikipedia lists Lurita Doan as “African American.”
Her photo in wikipedia displays zero African American features. I wonder if the WH tried to sneak her in as an African American,
and then paid for all her visits to a tanning spa? Also I had no idea that “Renaissance Literature,” was appropriate preparation for the GSA?I’m under oath so I have to say,-
(what could it be?)
I can’t remember
this in re to signing off on any info relating to hatch act
Time for me to remind everyone about Watermelon Dan’s massive hypocrisy RE: Clinton and affairs.
Let’s remember that Waxman has just spent 12 years in the wilderness, sitting in the minority while this group of jerks was running the committee.
Burton and Mica have been in the minority for less than an hour and they’re losing their minds. (And that’s after not showing up for Plame.)
Not going to be fun for the next couple years, and let’s hope Henry holds on to that gavel for years to come.
OMG, I cannot believe that a Congressman actually yelled at a colleague, “you’re gonna have to EAT IT”. So much for the traditional, “while I respect the fine gentleman from California, I have to disagree with him.”
(While I’m disgusted by Burton’s behavior, I still secretly can’t wait to see what Jon Stewart does with this tonight).
Bargain Countertenor @ 254
Apparently, thinking is not one of Cookies strong points.
McCollum slapping her down on hatch act violations. Slides clearly partisan and not team building…
Thanks PW.
at this lunch you were advancing policy of Karl Rove – let’s look at the slides. They’re clearly partisan.
This is McCollum.
Looking at slides, Doan throwing up hands again. Honestly, she can’t remember a darn thing.
John Casper @ 256–
In Mica’s opening statement (and during his questioning), he’s made a big point that this committee is targeting a Minority.
Disgusting manipulation. But what else do we expect?
wow – burton is really pissed – how dare dems ask questions!!! i am so loving this…..
Christy has a new GSA thread up.
New thread. Christy carries on:
GSA Hearings Heating Up, Part II
I waiting for one of these republicans to pull a Cheney (FU) on Waxman. Wouldn’t that be beautiful? They are in such deep denial that their authority is being questioned. I don’t want to make any comparisons to a certain politically corrupt German administration, but it’s scary.
mod, could you explain why there appears to be no refresh button on theses screen?
slides referrring to repug 72 hour get out the vote – the “us” refers to repugs.
so. (McCollum) in your statement., you referred to this as team building. What kind of team, repub? Dem? What kind of team?
Waves hands wildly. The most incredible team. New blood, a great team. Give em a chance. The bloody maw of success.
marcy – the slide that was just shown doesn’t appear to be in the pdf link you posted… is there any more to look through? am i missing something? thanks!
emptywheel @ 78
Actually, that appears to be a different Davis. KY-04, it looks like. Tom Davis is VA-11.
McCollum is missing a key talking point here. She’s mentioning how the slides represent the team as ‘our team, the Republican team’, not the independent or Democratic team.
Wouldn’t the strong point to make be, ‘not the American team’?
snuffy @ 272
I see a refresh button.
“You guys, you have to see the resumes of these people!”
Strike!
The witness is {seriously} non-responsive.
OMG Stepford Consultant!
Thanks Nola Sue, if she signed government forms stipulating that she is African American, I hope Wax and others look at that. I see zero African American ethnic features, hair–no way; lips–no way; nose–no way; pigmentation–no way.
this is strange,I have to reload the screen to reply,or refresh the screen…no sign of the refresh button
LandOfTheFree @ 206
unbelievagable!
carolyn urban @ 266
Just yesterday, I didn’t think I’d ever laugh again. Copies of this hearing should be a controlled substance. Forbidden elixer!
Oh. Nevermind. Shays just now calmly telling us this is not an important hearing. -um- “Straining gnats and swallowing camels here…” – seriously, HIS WORDS!
Move along folks. Nothing to see here….
oh shoot. we’re gonna shout again. should’a broken for lunch after all. you can always tell when it’s lunchtime – the little kids start crying in the grocery store….
being a mommy myself, i could maybe help but, with my own kids grown, i’d just rather watch in utter fascination & awe this time. PRICELESS!
CSpan could cover their whole year’s budget selling tapes of this. You couldn’t make this stuff up. OMG
Doan: “not gonna try & murky the waters here”
amen. besides. there’s no amount of “murkyness” that would suffice…
http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_…..p;Code=CS3
That’s the link for anyone who wants to watch the hearing live. Right now it’s a press conference.
GSD @ 90
Whoa! Is this the first time he’s ever actually
given inwithdrawn a nomination?Huh. Even Bush has to recognize reality sometimes.
Has Todd Platts (PA-19) asked a question or made a comment? Is he in attendance?
zhiv @ 221
Balrog @ 48
I live in North SD county and would be happy to say cheers!
terryolson at roadrunner dot com
JGabriel @ 226
I don’t have audio or cable – did he REALLY say that????
Burton was never too mentally sharp, but loss of power has truly caused loss of his marbles?
Damn, wish I had audio!
ObDisclaimer: I work for Sun.
Neil @ 22
This is not true. Trusted Solaris (based on Solaris 8) is widely used in government agencies. Google will tell you so. While Trusted Solaris is being discontinued, its security components are being decoupled so that they can run on Solaris 10, on any hardware Solaris runs on. But Trusted Solaris 8 is certified at a level equivalent to Orange Book B1 (LSPP at EAL4), and was the first OS to be so.
ObDisclaimer: I work for Sun.
portia.vz @ 108
Sun makes inexpensive Linux boxes. The SunFire range isn’t only competitive on bang for the buck, but bang for the watt as well; and Intel-based, so they also run Windows. Have a look at Thumper, or the X4600, or Blackbox.
What – Itanic? HP has also sunk PA-RISC and Alpha, and MIPS died on its own. All they have left is x64. The top-of-the-line ProLiant ML570 G4 is a 2-dual core box: The Sun Fire X4600 comes with 8 cores and maxes at 16.
OK, I’ll go back to my Kool-aid now. But I work for Sun because the Kool-aid is some of the best going.
John Casper:
I don’t think you can assume by a photo if someone is lying about their race. We have a lot of mixed race people in this country. Looking at someone like Soledad O’Brien, you might not realize that she is also of African descent.
A lot of people consider themselves to be ________-American when they are not 100% descendents of people from that country/region.
Implying that she’s faking an African heritage via tanning salon is a bit unseemly, IMO.
I want to qualify my disclaimer in #289 and #290 more: I work for Sun, yes, but I don’t speak for Sun, and I don’t sell for Sun.
John Casper @
257
Let’s not be too hasty. Couldn’t one assume that Renaissance lit. would be treasured for its elaborate packaging & presentation alone, irrespective of content.
Plus the fact that it was dreadfully tedious bordering on impossible to obtain exact verified copies. No?
(just a wild guess… ;->)