Howie Klein linked up this sketch from MadTV and I had to share it with everyone. Perhaps I'm just a little punchy this morning, but it cracked me up, in that painful "so funny because it is so unfortunately true" sort of way. Thought everyone could use this today as well. Comedy can be such an effective means of skewering the powerful, by mocking the hubris and the tics that inflate the egos and this particular sketch is a doozy in that regard, with some subtle digs all around. (And do watch it through to the end — the blooper as the credits roll is priceless.)
As scarecrow already linked this morning, Michael Ware, one of CNN's reporters in Baghdad for the last 4 years and counting, took Sen. John McCain to the woodshed yesterday for saying something that was just plain false. And laughable on its face, not just for Ware, but to military commanders in the field.
Juan Cole takes on the McCain blunder head on:
…Remember when, in summer of 2003, Donald Rumsfeld asserted that there was no guerrilla war in Iraq? Remember when he implied that the violence there was no worse than a little race riot in Benton Harbor, Michigan? McCain increasingly sounds like that.
McCain has fallen ill with Rumsfeld's Disease in part because he is losing in the polls because the public doesn't like his gung ho stance on Iraq. If only, he thinks, he could convince the public that actually things are turning around there.
And in part he has succumbed to it because of frustration with his colleagues in the Senate, who just voted to get US troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2008. McCain thinks things have improved so much that his colleagues are basing their decisions on old information.
The greatest fallacy of all is in McCain's assumption that short-term changes in the Baghdad security environment, produced by deploying an extra US division there, can necessarily be translated into long-term gains. It is much more likely that guerrillas are just lying low and will come right back out when the Americans draw back down (the US can't keep an extra division in Iraq forever.)
McCain is typical of the hawks of his generation, which lost the Vietnam War. For many of them, a war on Iraq promised vindication and restoration of pride. It had all the delights of a Rambo movie, but the advantage of being real.
There have been rumors swirling about problems with the US relationship to the Saudis since Prince Bandar packed his bags and left the post of Ambassador rather abruptly, followed not long thereafter by the precipitous resignation of his successor, Prince Turki al-Faisal. The long-time Bush Family connections to the Saudi royal family notwithstanding, it seems that a chill has occurred in the relationship stemming from the horrible results at every turn of George Bush's foreign policy decisions, and that Bush Administration efforts to cozy back up to the House of Saud have soured.
From Hoagland in a WaPo op-ed today:
Official versions discount that possibility, of course. Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national security adviser, flew to Washington last week to explain to Bush that April 17 posed a scheduling problem. " 'It is not convenient' was the way it was put," says one official.
But administration sources report that Bush and his senior advisers were not convinced by Bandar's vagueness — especially since it followed Saudi decisions to seek common ground with Iran and the radicals of Hezbollah and Hamas instead of confronting them as part of Rice's proposed "realignment" of the Middle East into moderates and extremists….
But Rice will get no relief when she returns to Washington. She will have to deal with more depressing society news: Jordan's King Abdullah, who has spent more time in George W. Bush's Washington than any other foreign leader, has let the White House know that he can't make that state visit discussed for September. Can you do 2008? the king asks instead.
American diplomatic initiatives cannot simply be short-term band-aids and hopping about putting out fires after they have already sprung up and engulfed our interests and allies. Diplomacy is about long-term strategy and foresight, except in the Bush Administration where it has been derided as unnecessary for far too long, shoved to the side for the Rummy and Cheney show and cowboy diplomacy.
We will be years in repairing the damage from this short-sighted, ego-driven idiocy — and I keep asking, in my own mind, whether some long-nursed grudge with Daddy's diplomatic postings isn't factoring into the mess somewhere with Junior, egged on by a Vice President who has imperial tendencies. Whatever the cause, we are staring down the long road of nearly two more years of this failed presidency, and our only hope is Congressional oversight and enforcement. At least the Democrats, who now control both houses of Congress, are actually holding oversight hearings and raising the word accountability, something that the Republicans failed at entirely during their tenure in charge. (Seems to be a theme here, doesn't it?)
Here is to asking the questions that need asking — either through Congress, or through comedy. Because someone has to, and it sure as hell isn't going to be the iWrong President without a whole lot of nudging, if history is any judge of his character.
(And, speaking of asking questions, it is Waxman GSA oversight hearing day. Nothing like a little accountability for politicizing governmental contracting, is there?)
Related posts:
- Ross Douthat: George W. Bush was a “Good” President
- Disgraceful: In 8 Years, George W. Bush Never Greeted Fallen Troops
- Memo to the White House: You Can’t Win an Unpopular War (And Stop Quoting George W. Bush)
- George Bush Personally Sent Card, Gonzales to Thug Up Ashcroft
- Noonan Blasts Palin as a Talented Lightweight, Praised Same Qualities in George W. Bush





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Coleman gone in ‘08!
Buried in today’s WaPo is a revealing exchange from Mueller’s appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday.
It involves the U.S. attorney scandal, and a Sherlockian “dog that didn’t bark”:
By the way, I asked why Coleman continued to vote with the president and against his constituents.
Her reply was ‘Senator Coleman does not believe failure is an option.’
I nicely explained that that is why he IS a failure. Two hours later that silly talking-point not-an-answer still rankles me.
Let the blowback begin.
The Chimp is live on CNN…
Balrog @ 3
Next time, tell the spokesperson you live in the reality-based world, and talking points from Neverland are not relevant.
twolf1 @ 5
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I think Juan Cole meant to say in his last sentence:
It had all the delights of a Rambo movie, but the disadvantage of being real.
eCAHNomics @ 7
Was this scheduled?
Goddamn. Listening to Bush and hating it.
Actually, I just imagined him in a “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”-type facility babbling like this, and I feel better! It’s all context!
*xyz @ 9
…not sure, i just turned the tv on and much to my dismay, there he was.
tommy yum @ 10
Thanks. I needed that.
True diplomacy died a long while ago in America. We have to admit it– we have been imperialists and worse for a long time.
We, with the likes of Coleman, Negroponte, Bolton and Kirkpatrick et. al., have trashed the UN and the USA.
Condi Rice and booshco are a disgrace to the world.
Can anyone blog the Waxman hearing?
Balrog:
We must get Coleman out of the Senate in 2008.
OT – Why is chimpy letting Al Qaeda dictate what our Iraq policy is?
Now the chimp is quoting bloggers in baghdad. “yeah, they got ‘em there too”
Solai at 14 — At the moment, Rep. Tom Davis and Sen. Chuck Grassley are bickering over how dismaying and smarmy the GSA head has been. It’s kind of amusing, because Grassley is lecturing Davis on how he ought to be doing his job and how the American public deserves the Congress and the governmental bureaucracy actually paying attention to things like pricing and open bidding.
Back to topic. I am VERY impressed by the situation with the Saudis. Truly despicable characters, to be sure, but when birds of a feather refuse to join the flock, it’s a sign of something very deep. I want to know a lot more about this. It’s been on my mind ever since Bandar fled in the dead of night. The rest of the story is trickling out too slowly.
from denver post link
The truth will someday come out about the real numbers of U.S. soldiers killed and wounded in this atrocious war.
Hint – it will be worse than what the mendacious Bush regime has been announcing, bad as it is.
Christy:
Thanks for the post. Michael Ware actually joined CNN last year. Before then he was at Time Magazine for five years, also covering Baghdad for the magazine.
Thank you. I’m at work. Though, clearly, not being productive.
Insular Emperor Bush [I] was quoted a few weeks ago taking the vehement insults against his son personal.
I wonder what he thinks about the political purge and attempts at politicizing law enforcement by Rove-Sputin as it relates to how ugly his son is in reality.
I know every parent is in denial about how ugly their child might be. BUT, this guy was president. He must have some brains, and lots of experience with idiots in Washington.
I mean, come on! You don’t like to think about that gross tattoo your kid just got, or getting high on Saturday night, but you know in your heart. This guy – Insular Emperor I – can’t be that dumb. Is he? He must be talking to someone about the realities of his dumb-ass spawn!
Biodun at 20 — Thanks — Ware mentioned that he had been in Baghdad for over 4 years. I could not remember how long for CNN and how long for Time. Appreciate the clarification.
Waxman and Grassley now talking about how important the IGs are, how they have to be independent — and how the buck stops at the Oval Office for appointing a GSA cheif that politicized the agency and for whining about the agency IG calling her on it.
twolf1 @ 11
i’m almost afraid to ask… what did he say? anything about yesterday’s senate vote to keep the withdrawal timeline language in the iraq occupation supplemental funding bill?
This is hilarious and kind of odd– watching Congressman Waxman questioning Senator Grassley.
ha.
I’m developing an evil crush on Tom Davis. That is, he’s fairly consistent with his rhetoric, the way he gets things into the record, as when he says, “I’m sure you’d agree with me,” then doesn’t leave Grassley any time to repsond. Just like he got Bill Leonard to kind of but not really agree that Dick Cheney could insta-declassify things.
Though I bet the GOP wishes they had someone a little more slick to carry on this role. Davis is going to get old quickly, having to try to impede Waxman.
selise @ 25
I’m only half paying attention – “if either version makes it to my desk, I’m gonna veto it!” clap clap clap…
Apparently according to Bush, the senate bill is loaded with pork.. Grrr and the idiots are applauding him…
Just popping in before I run off to work.
Just heard a story coming back from the gyn this am on the radio (not AAR) stating that the reason that Goodling is evoking the 5th is that she was on a conference call April 4th with Senator Domenici about pressuring the NM USA to indict Democrats prior to Nov 06. It is an AP story. Maybe someone can find it….
Nice post, Christy, and what a wonderful video.
Effwit at 2: — that Mueller exchange with Schumer sure nails the coffin on that voter fraud talking point, doesn’t it?
Looks like Iran is cutting the female Brit loose, excellent move on their part and one step back from the brink.
I think Tom Davis better get “up-armored”. Hank’s on the loose!
Rep. Mica (R-FL) talking now — opening statement. Says he started his career with a review of local and state government operations, and that one of his first cases sent a local Republican to jail for waste, fraud and abuse. Doesn’t play partisan politics with this sort of situation — the facts need to fall where they fall.
Says he talked with the administrator after reading bad things about her in the WaPo. Says that she was looking at the contract with regard to diversity issues — and golly, she sure is a hard-working business woman. Seems that she was just moving this forward like a private sector business person would do — says that was her big mistake.
emptywheel @ 26
heh.
I have heard many people say that Tom is a stand up kinda guy–
before 11/7/06.
katymine @ 30
Ask and ye shall receive (h/t to TPM)
kobtv link
Scarecrow at 31 — I laughed so hard at the video this morning. hehehehe I had to share it with everyone else.
OT – Chimp on CNN – evil must b defeated overseas so we don’t have to fight them again here… They will follow us home… blah blah blah… I’m a jackass… Blah blah blah…
Grrr…now he’s tying 9/11 to our war in Iraq…I
you know, even if McCain was correct in his “assessment” that things were getting better “in Baghdad” and even if it weren’t true that violence has increased proportionately to areas where we don’t have a heightened presence…in other words, even if McCain’s statement were true in every single angle to view;
it would STILL mean we would have to provide that kind of increased presence to the rest of Iraq, wherefore, even this tiny “surge” has just about broken our army and has CERTAINLY made it difficult to respond to other threats, there just aren’t enough people in the armed forces combined to provide enough “surge” to accommodate the entire situation in Iraq
Christy:
You’re welcome. I feel honored to help you a little with your brilliant and thoughtful posts.
Bush is back at it trying to legislate from the Oval Office.
I am sorry to bang on about it, as in scratched vinyl if you are old enough, but all the US has to do to quieten the Near and Middle East is to enforce Sec Cncl Res 242, 38 et al upon Israel. It is easy to do — stop the money and call in the XX trillion loans, at the same time requiring the handing over to IAEA of the nuclear weapons.
242, 338 et al, require immediate withdrawal to pre-1967 borders, right of return and reparations…. Just natural and international justice under rules the US has agreed to apply!
If Bush really wants a legacy he could toss out the Neocons/AIPAC and do it!
twolf1 @ 38
Let’s not forget to mention that he pressed the 9/11 button several times as well.
“Can you do 2008? the king asks instead.”
The thought balloon over the king’s head read, “when you might not even be president anymore…”
Balrog @ 3
Wow. I thought it was only MY representative that answered my questions in arrogant talking point blather. Nice to know I’m not alone. (It really pisses ME off too.)
Scarecrow @ 31
Yep.
But it won’t keep them from repeating it to their faithful, who are never disabused of their delusions.
Mica still rambling his way through allegations made by the WaPo, and how the Administrator sure is swell. Going through dates and whether she should beheld responsible for actions taken under her watch, because gosh darn it, people like her. And then he throws out the “she’s a minority appointee, so don’t be mean to her, because that would be wrong” card.
Waxman says the gentleman’s time has expired and that he is welcome to stay for the witnesses but he understands if he doesn’t need to because he has already made up his mind. (chs: HA!)
OT – Chimp on CNN – It’s important for you to understand, the iraqi people want to be free… if we stand by the iraqi people and help them develop their young iraqi democracy…
finally it’s over.
uh– who elected Mica and why is he talking about her like he is in a bar? ooh– he just said “where the hell”
(Just like Westmoreland.)
“It’s a targeted attack on a minority employee”
Henry says “you can stay and listen, but I know you have already made up your mind.”
Bugboy @ 41
silly SOB still thinks he’s in charge.
Somebody really oughta tell him.
Administrator Doan testifying now. She’s got that simmering, indignant anger look about her — the “how dare you question me” sort of peevishness that you can get when you are wrongly accused — or when your ego baloon has been punctured by a smack in the face with truth. Guess we’ll see which is accurate in a bit.
Two things
First, Grassley pointed out that the buck stops with the President. He he. Bush is losing the sane Republicans in Congress. Lucky for him there are only about 5 of them.
Second, I love the way Henry always explains putting his lying witnesses under oath. “It is the custom of this committee to administer the oath.” That is, “don’t expect us to pussy foot on this committee, you liar!”
Can’t wait until he gets COndi on the stand.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
hehe
“Rumsfeld’s disease” That makes me think it’s a particularly virulent form of “Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease”, you know, where the brain gets eaten away.
Thanks for the live blogging on Chimpy,it’s wayyy to early and I am waiting for breakfast.
I have an idea for a new diet.
Play Chimpy and Lieberman back to back for a half hour.
That should take care of any appetite.
Loved it.
GSA establishes a postive relationship with DOJ and DOD.
Huh. You mean the two most corrupt departments in the government? A good relationship with DOJ isn’t exactly a good character reference, you know.
marathon @ 55
But, unlike C-J, works almost instantaneously.
Ms. Doan says she loves “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington”
m’kay.
She is vociferous and on the atttaaaaack– I have done the bold, new leadership that boosh wanted.
she “refuses to yield and I am not a perfect person.”
twolf1 @ 5
Listening to him always makes me wonder if they had ESL classes when he was in school.
Now doing angry mom routine.
it followed Saudi decisions to seek common ground with Iran and the radicals of Hezbollah and Hamas instead of confronting them
I’m not surprised that the Saudis are talking to their neighbors. They can’t want more war around there, and they probably don’t want to share a border with Iran (or an Iranian-backed part of Iraq), given the religious differences. (I bet it ticks off the neocons, though.)
Swopa has a post up about the vote yesterday, with Shurb saying that members of Congress shouldn’t be making political statements. It’s a ’say what?’ kind of line, the kind that makes you wonder if Shrub has even as much connection to reality as McCain does.
emptywheel @ 61
shame on you (wagging finger)
angie @ 50..
Mica is my Rep. ugh! Worked to get him out last fall but it’s such a red district we didn’t have a chance. Although the Dem, Chagnon (one of Wes Clarks’) vets, did much better than expected. I think the final vote was around 45% to 55%. We’ll keep trying. I can’t stand Mica.
BTW, she (Doan) reminds me of a combo between Pink Sugar and Michelle whats her name from Minnesota.
Doan’s strategy is to ignore all the gross contract issues. “I’m not perfect but there was no wrongdoing.” And talk about her daughter.
I think Doan went to Toensing’s seminar.
what the heck is wrong with these peeps?
a “gazillion allegations”?
Michelle Bachmann @ 64, seaside?
good call
After Grassley, another Repub Rep had an opening statement. Like Davis he claimed the investigation is a waste of time. When he finished, Waxman invited him to stay, “You’re welcome to stay and listen to the witnesses but I know you’ve already made up your mind.” Waxman is very good with these brief, civil, smackdowns.
Ms. Lurita Doan, 1st Female GSA Administrator sworn in May 1 2006. She invokes Mr. Smith goes to Washington and then launches into her accomplishments. She’s wagging her finger at the committee. “Shame on you. Shame on you.” I can’t wait for Waxmen to get his hands on her.
“Like Jimmy Stewart and Mr. Smith I stand here…”
Dammit, my cable is doing that weekly test thing, and I can’t blog the hearing for about 10 minutes. Thanks gang for jumpng in…
Is “gazillion” a GSA term?
Tonster @ 69
…it’s one thousand brazillions
Waxman soon taking on the faux indignancy of Doan- it’s a little early for popcorn here in L.A., but I may nuke a bag anyway…
Saudi Ambassador: Best Not a Kissing Cousin
(cognitorex 12.21.06)
The Bush family and the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia are hand holding, corporate cousin kissing tight.
During the oncoming decade in which Shiites may continue to ascend en masse over the Mid East, Saudi Arabia and the incompetent Bushie’ architects of this political maelstrom may well see beaucoups of bad blood and bitter words of recrimination.
It would be best if Saudi’s man in the US of A were not of the Royal Family.
Tonster @ 70
Definitely–it’s the $$ unit in which no-bid contracts are denominated.
Dammit, I missed her whole opening statement. Arrrgh. I hate the weekly test.
Christy—
See if you can get C-Span3 live streaming thru their website.
Rep. Bruce Braley-D, Iowa-01 is grilling the witness. He has the full 15 minutes for the Dems. Trying to tie her to a meeting that was political. About Phelps. They have the power point presentation and are now going to look at the slides which talk about Rove on the cover slide. Now slide 578 “2008 House Targets–Top 20″ w 2004 stats.
Tsk—she doesnt remember.
P J Evans @ 63
I wonder if the Saudis are suprised at the sheer incompetence of their boys Bush and Cheney? Ownership (of the Bush family) has its privleges, but that doesn’t mean you own something worthwhile.
Rep. Bruce Bailey (D-IW) is questioning Ms Lorita
P J Evans @ 62
I’m guessing that the Saudis have concluded that the US is on its way out and that Bush is toast, so they better start looking out for their interests in the region on their own. They can’t trust bush to do anything except make things worse.
Badwater @ 76
Buyers remorse.
IA – Iowa
twolf1 @ 70
eCAHNomics @ 73
Thanks…I feel so much more informed now.
Crack me up!!
Truth is the funniest form of humor!
Badwater @ 77
Rep. Braley (D-Iowa) now talking about the meeting, on GSA property, nearly 40 GOP political appointees either there in person or by teleconference. Doan says that John Phelps not there or by phone. Talking about the powerpoint presentation — Doan says she has no recollection of the presentation at all, that she’s a little embarassed to say that.
My gosh–reading this is like having six TV channels on at once, with excellent commentation!! Wahoo!! Thank you!
eCAHNomics @ 6
I think the proper answer is;
“that’s why the failed policy and strategy of the president has to be changed to a a strategy that has a chance of success”
add to it;
America cannot fail here, this is the failure of a depraved policy that had no chance from the beginning and seems as if it’s entire intention was diminishing the military influence and ability of the United States armed forces.
failure is NOT an option and until people like Coleman understand that, and until he understands that in order to succeed you change the strategy that has failed then Coleman will continue facilitating the failure in Iraq
No recollection of the political powerpoint presentation.
Didn’t take her long to start forgetting things. She’s smarter than Abu Gonzales, I guess.
Is this the “young Iraqi democracy” Bush was referring to? From AP:
thanks to all for the cnn/bush info.
Neil @ 68
I think I might barf on my monitor! I can’t take another ToeStink episode at the witness table.
Ooooh — the Powerpoint was prepared by the White House POlitical Affiars office headed by Rove. And the Committee obtained a copy of the whole Powerpoint.
Bustednuckles @ 80
caveate emptor
Where is waxman hearing streamed?
it is not on CSPAN1 or 2.
Now Braley is going over a second slide that lists the top 26 GOP districts that need help.
I saw that clip on MadTV a couple of weeks ago and almost fell off the sofa laughing. It was brilliant—what a gas to see it here again.
The Bush administration seems to believe in magic. If we don’t like something, it isn’t true—just because we say so, just because of our own special powers. There’s no such thing as global warming, for instance. We are creating freedom and democracy in the Middle East. Those US Attorneys were doing inadequate work. The Patriot Act is constitutional. Torture is not only legal but productive and moral.
I wish we could give them their own little planet to destroy, so they’d leave ours alone.
ecoast at 92 — It’s on C-Span3.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 91
ohhhh
this ought be good when posted
ecoast @ 92
Streaming on cspan3
Doan’s facial expression says, “I don’t want to be here and I may throw up.”
Watch or listen to it on CSPAN 3.
Doan’s gone from angry blustering to cowed ignorance.
debit @ 101
Prolly not a great stretch for Ms. Lorita.
Doan – I dunno nuthin’
“Do you know what a target is?”
She says, Yes I think I am one.
Doan: I am embarrassed, I know nothink! I have no memory, I did nothink.
(Scoots– can she borrow your memory expert?)
(Ok, y’all want to make a bet that Doan will pull a modified Sally Field soon.
The first time I didn’t feel it, but this time I feel it, and I can’t deny the fact that you like me, right now, you like me! You better like me!)
emptywheel @ 87
Good one!
Now slide #579: “2008 House GOP Defense.” A listing of Republican House seats that were vulnerable in the 2006 election.
Slide #581: “Battle For the Senate, 2008″ — Republican Offense, Republican Defense, and Non-Competitive States.
Braley is doing a really good cross-exam on this.
OMG I already feel like I am rubbernecking at an accident site listening to Doan.
Really…you can’t BUY entertainment this good…
wow. doan doesn’t remember, can’t interpret, doesn’t know.
egregious @ 104
OMG…the ghost of ToeStink.
Brownbag luncheon mischaracterized. Team building.
emptywheel @ 87
OMG. These people are shameless. She was told to stonewall and she won’t disregard like McNaulty.
Doan is a “respectable, competent business woman,” or words to that effect, in some Rs introduction of her. OK. So she was at the meeting in question but did not remember anything that went on at the meeting. Huh?
What is relationship to GSA goals?
Team building, brown bag lunch.
Question again, partisan political briefing, GSA property during work hours, nothing to do with GSA mission. Explain to taxpayers.
I guess team building, a “superior management team” includes politicizing GSA.
doan is willing to interpret when it’s to her benefit (team building meeting?) – but not when the obvious interpretation is damaging.
eCAHNomics @ 113
Maybe instead of team building she was drinking. Heavily.
What a concept! I think you’ve got something here!
We could, like, name an asteroid “House of Bush” and make him King, permanently, then start giving him space travel astronaut type training.. He looks so much like the first mammal in space anyway…
King Bush I, son of Insular Emperor Bush I – Poppy…
We wouldn’t need to put much oxygen in the space ship. His brain doesn’t use much.
Blue Dido @ 95
On the Iraq war in general
(see also this post)
Ever since the months prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, there have been a few reports in the newspapers that the Central Intelligence Agency was casting aspersions on the intelligence the White House was relying on to justify the war. The CIA has never given a position on whether the war is needed or justified or said that Bush is wrong to go to war. But doesn’t it seem much more likely that the CIA is an extremely right wing organization than a left wing one? After all, even if the people working for them and at least a lot of the leadership really wanted a war for their own reasons, there are a lot of reasons for them to not want to tie their credibility to what they know is faulty information. They and their personnel, present and former, could use other means of promoting the Iraq war, and still be motivated to make the statements in the media. If the CIA got behind faulty information, they would have to make a choice between whether they would be involved in scamming the American people and the world once the military had invaded Iraq and no weapons were found- so: 1) Imagine the incredible difficulties involved in pulling off a hoax that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Imagine all the people you would have to be able to show the weapons to- the inspectors from the UN / the international community, the American press, statesmen, etc. Then imagine the difficulties of substantiating that story to people who would examine it- the lack of witnesses to a production plant that made the weapons or to transportation operations or storage of the weapons during Hussein’s regime of them. 2) If the story fell apart upon inspection or the CIA tried not to hoax it at all, imagine the loss of credibility they would suffer. The CIA, it is safe to bet, does not want to be known to the American people as a group that lies to them to send them to war. Even within the CIA there could be disagreement among people about how involved they should be in promoting the war or the neo-con agenda more broadly, so the CIA would have to worry about lying to and managing its own people after trying so hard to get them to trust their superiors in the agency, and perhaps there simply might be too many people in the agency who knew enough about what was going on in Iraq to know if someone was deceiving people to promote this war.
So there is a lot of reason to be cautious against being seen as endorsing what they knew was false intelligence even if they were very strong supporters of going to war.
Oh. My.
I think the Clairol Nice ‘n Easy Dark Brown #4 has gone to her brain.
“Uh, as uh, I said, uh…please, uh, ask Mr. Jennings…”
debit @ 116
…hence the brown bags
eCAHNomics @
12
Except that we, the 3200 plus and 20,000plus dead and injured Americans and the God knows how many dead and injured Iraqis can’t walk out of the theatre afterwards and discuss what an idiot that character is. We have to live with the reality rather than the movie.
This kind of meeting is a “team building exercise.” We have had a variety of speakers who speak in their area of expertise. (CHS notes: What a coincidence that this occurred before the election and was given to the GOP political appointees to encourage them to do all sorts of things to help the Republican candidates.)
Doan says: This is a brown bag luncheon. Not my presentation. You need to ask Mr. Jennings about the intent of this, it’s not my presentation.
Braley: I think the American public has the right to ask if the only team that was being helped was the Republican team. Goes on to talk about the Hatch Act.
According to sources, you asked: “How can we use GSA to help our candidates?”
Doan says: “I don’t have a recollection of saying that.”
Federal Hatch Act says you can’t engage in team building for any political party. You took the floor thanked him and asked a question, you stated, how can we use GSA to help our candidates?
Doan: I do not have a recollection of actually saying that.
debit @ 117
My thoughts too, but am usually too quick to accuse.
twolf1 @ 120
Only they were red bags. With a little elephant on them.
“How can we use the GSA to help our candidates in the next election?”
Er…I don’t remember saying that
How can we use GSA projects, building openings and the like, to help
Er…you know. She doesn’t know.
How can we help candidates. Do you remember saying that? Do you disagree with yr own press person that that comment was made by you?
twolf1 @ 121
Which, on government property, with government employees, in the presence of a “political officer”, is so much better…
Heh.
Sounds to me like the theme from Dragnet should be playing loudly in the chambers……
Christy! My, my! If this is accurate – using government facilities to run political power charts before an election.. This seems to be criminal. Isn’t it?
I worked for the Feds for over 8 years in a very politically visible grant agency, and this is hard stuff! Someone seems to be in deep do-do.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 107
Oh, now she’s pulling a Feith!
“Please allow the investigation to run its course.” [Because maybe we can run out the clock on it.]
emptywheel @ 86
“You can always say, ‘I don’t recall.’” — Richard Nixon
She doesn’t want to answer because GSA is investigating?
Braley says yes but Congressional oversight.
Again “how can GSA help position our candidates….in the next election…” more.. Do you think all of these people are lying
Am reading here and listening to C-Span at the same time. Braley is excellent. He’s getting everything on the record, in triplicate. Doan sounds like an idiot.
” I have no recollection. ” Only at least six other people remember…republican appointees
That is her answer.
Has she been diagnosed yet?
Because clearly she has a pathology going on. Lying or Alzheimers.
“One last chance.” Oh. My.
Bustednuckles @ 128
My understanding is that one can lose a job by violating the HAtch Act, but there is no criminal liability.
Anyone know for sure?
Giving you one last chance to clarify the record, how can we use GSA to help candidates in the next election or words to that effect?
I cannot recollect.
You directed comments, shame on you for getting caught up in politics, letting partisan politics affect yr judgment. Same statement can apply to you. GSA property GSA employees in attendance
No 14 year olds in that meeting [?]
Braley is ripping Doan apart
Ha!
You directed comments to people on this committee “shame on you for making political comments!”
I think it’s fair to turn this onto you.
Doan: I don’t believe there were any 14 year olds at that meeting.
Not the question.
CSPAN 3 is must viewing! Braley is laying the wood to her but good! She may have just lied under oath.
DairyMaid @ 134
No no. This is called Republicanism.
hmmm. where else may this wonderful power point presentation have been shown besides GSA?
Doan is upsetting my tummy. Abu Toensing, indeed.
a la, I’m in charge and mistakes were made and I can’t recall anything, even those I was there.
And did Braley just bring up yet another Monica?!
And where will that PowerPoint be posted? That thing’s a treasure chest!
She is either reading her talking points or she is too ashamed to hold her head up.
Waxman was a teleconference not simply a brown bag lunch.
Now Davis. I can’t watch. But do not underestimate him. He’s represented our area for a long time and he’s very, very capable.
I do not believe this was an inappropriate meeting. But this is not the same as asking employees to engage in partisan activities.
twolf1 @ 138
and he isn’t even breaking a sweat to do so….ball over to Davis.
OT – I know you guys have been busy, but I wrote a check to Firedoglake a month ago and it still has not been cashed. Will that be happening soon?
Doan: Engaging in partisan political politics at the workplace is NOT engaging in partisan political activities at the workplace. Or words to that effect.
Nola Sue @ 143
I just asked–it’ll be on the Committee website shortly.
Commenting from Texas (where my friends hate Bush as much as I do and have stories about Condi at Standford):
Balrog at 1, yes indeed we need Coleman gone. He is a slimey character. Trying to keep up with the kaeidescope of scadals best I can from someone else’s computer.
And OT, but met with a fellow FDL pup here in Texas last week — GrandmaJo. Had a great time, and are going to Chicago together.
Well Braley seems to be taking the wind right out of Doan’s sails. I would go so far as to say she has had an attitude adjustment. She knows she’s broken the law, she knows they’ve got her dead to rights breaking the Hatch Act, and she doesn’t know what to do. She’s trying to peddle the “I didn’t know the gun was loaded” defense, but I don’t think anyone is buying it.
Libby defense–”very busy week for me.”
Hooboy.
Quick, when was the last time we saw a crash-and-burn this spectacular in front of Congress?
I’m embarrassed for her; she has “no recollection” to the point of being an idiot. Like she should not have had a job ever under any administration.
eCAHNomics @ 152
How long do you think the meeting took, maybe about 2 hours?
“This is embarrasing. It was a very busy week for me.”
Davis is trying to rehabilitate the witness.
I started a new thread to blog the Waxman hearing. This is getting good.
She remembers something: The cookies on the table in the meeting!!!
She remembers the cookies, but not the partisan politics. Remembers there were people missing.
But doesn’t remember the politics.
MicroSoft is getting some kick-ass product placement here.
But she remembers that there were cookies on the table.
She wasn’t too busy to remember that!
Ms Lorita remembers the cookies on the table. Maybe her memory is coming back.
She’s just like Libby! She remembers cookies on the table, but not that little PPt bombshell?!
Boy, these guys really do rehearse this cr*p. They’re proving the point that this is completely orchestrated.
emptywheel @ 155
Like how many times does a White House administration official come for a brown bag lunch at GSA — every week?
Jeepers.
Waxman videoconference seen in California is not their lunch hour.
So let me see if I’m up to speed: She totally forgot her own presentation, even after they showed her the PowerPoint slides. Do I have it right? I’ll take ‘Things That Won’t Fly With the American Public’ for a thousand, Alex!
Neil @ 156
Don’t you mean resuscitate?
Heh. We have a nickname for her now, don’t we?
Lurita “Cookies” Doan.
Davis just bragging about having worked inNixon WH and that DC is a “political town”. What a maroon as bugs would say…
Christy has a new thread on the GSA hearing.
New thread.
Rayne @ 168
LMFAO!
You know what’s funny>
This isn’t even one of the hearings that we’ve all been waiting for with bated breath, like the Samson hearing coming up.
And yet even this hearing is revealing all kinds of scandalous and damning information.
This administration is corrupt, through and through.
TRex’s “core sample” metaphor helps illustrate the point.
If we take a core sample of any aspect of the administration, we reveal multiple instances of corruption and criminality. This was true in the Libby trial, and it is true in every one of the hearings thus far.
In fact, describing “instances” of corruption and criminality is probably the wrong way to say it. In the Bush administration, one instead finds isolated “instances” of professionalism and law-abiding behavior.
It is growing increasingly clear that the norm, the backdrop, the default for this administration is criminality and corruption.
EW@142: that’s right, it’s Republicanism. John Poindexter lost his memory in a big way during the Iran-Contra hearings. “I have no recollection of that,” was pretty much all he said.
Really, should people with such poor memories be running our government?
twolf1 @ 71
Or a person who lives in Gazil.
“…Vice President who has imperial tendencies.”
Now that has got to be the understatement of the week.
Most forgetful administration … ever!
Hey, they’d probably forget their own names if they hadn’t been hunted down, chained and frogmarched into the committee room.
Nail ‘em Henry.
Tonster @ 137
Criminal liability, I don’t know, but if you violate the Hatch Act you do lose your job, and there are fines, in some cases they can reach $250,000.
Re: GSA situation — every Federal (Executive Branch) employee is required to take a Government managed course on Ethics and one on Computer Safety every year. Guess no one in the Bush Mis-Administration bothered to listen during class.