After a couple of weeks of Current Events posts, it looks like tonight is the third and final installment of the What's Wrong With America trilogy: The Federal Judiciary. Unlike the media and the electoral system, which are mechanisms for exposing and voting out corrupt or incompetent politicians, the Judiciary is intended to limit their damage to the bounds of the law and the Constitution. But as we have learned from the US Attorney firings, the Republicans view the law as just another convenient tool to be co-opted in their pursuit of eternal, absolute political power. So instead of restricting the damage that the Republicans can do, a Republican-controlled Judiciary legitimizes and cements it.
Another lesson of the Attorney Purge is the importance, and limitations, of the confirmation process. On the one hand, thanks to a Republican Senate majority and a filibuster-shy minority, the Bush administration was able to fill a slate of 93 US Attorneys who targeted Democrats in 298 out of their 375 investigations of elected officials. On the other hand, BushCo. still ended up stuck with a few arrows too straight to pursue phony voter fraud cases or ignore blatant Republican criminality, forcing them to surreptitiously amend the rules to allow the replacement of those "nonperformers" with more willing tools.
Which brings us to the Judiciary, where even with that Republican majority and timid minority, the Bushies have been unable to confirm all of the right-wing ideologues they've nominated, yet still managed to push through a passel of awful hard-right judges like Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown, and the ethically-challenged Samuel Alito… with a little help from the "Gang Of Fourteen" and the until-recently-ever-present threat of the Nuclear Option.
And this is what bothers me. Federal judges are appointed for life. Why? So they will be independent of politics. Yet between the absurd belief (held only by Democrats but frequently endorsed by Republicans) that the president is entitled to extreme deference on his judicial nominees, and the requirement of a simple majority to confirm, it's really not that difficult for a President to stack the courts with like-minded political extremists, provided his party controls the Senate, and the opposition believes that keeping its powder dry is an end unto itself. (Dry powder apparently brims with even more untapped potential than stem cells.)
Sure, in theory it's possible that once removed from all political considerations, a judge may strive to be right rather than right-wing, but I don't believe this kind of ideological transformation happens very often. Furthermore, I would suggest that there are really only nine federal judges in the entire country who are truly insulated from any kind of political considerations. After all, any judge who rules against his or her political soulmates too often can pretty much forget about ever being nominated to a higher court. On the other hand, if they're too loyal, they may have a hard time getting confirmed. Maybe.
The upshot of all this is that the judiciary is becoming a second legislature, where cases are at least as likely to be predetermined by the political orientation of the court's members as they are by objective interpretation of the law. And, unlike Congress, there is really no way to hold judges accountable for not fulfilling their Constitutional responsibilities. If When Congress confirms a bad judge, the country's stuck with him or her for the next thirty or forty years.
So, how to fix it? I think the options are pretty straighforward, but there's not much of a role for the netroots other than urging the Senate to change the system. And, of course, ensuring that Republicans never get the opportunity to nominate judges ever again…
1) First and foremost, we must eliminate the notion that presidential judicial nominees are entitled to the benefit of the doubt. This is ridiculous and dangerous when dealing with lifetime appointments. This is obviously more of a cultural shift, and there is no way to legally enforce it. The blogs and netroots may be able to help propel this idea into the cultural mainstream.
2) Require a supermajority (at least 60, preferably two-thirds) to approve all judicial nominees. This will make it impossible to push unsuitable judges through on a straight party-line vote, and should force presidents to pick moderate, highly qualified nominees who can win bipartisan approval. If this rule had been in place 15 months ago, Alito would never have made it to the Supreme Court. I have no idea what it would take to change the voting rules, or if that's even possible. But if the Democrats take the White House and consolidate the Senate, the Republicans might just be willing to find a way to get this done. My only question is whether the Republicans would even be satisfied with excellent moderates, or if they would start insisting that Democratic presidents nominate conservative judges if they want confirmations…
3) Establish nominee standards. Of the 93 judges that Bush nominated in the 109th Congress, 13 were rated "Not Qualified" by at least some members of the ABA Standing Committee, including one who was unanimously rated Not Qualified, and… Harriet Miers. Unless there's a serious shortage of judges, I don't think there's much justification for nominating anyone whose qualifications are even slightly in doubt.
4) I'm not entirely sold on this one, but there could be some value in putting the "advise" back in "advise and consent." Let the opposition party make suggestions as to nominees that would be acceptable to them. If there's a lot of partisan mistrust between the two parties as there is now, this approach could all too easily turn into a nasty game of trying to trick the president into nominating a trojan horse, which is why I have my doubts.
Of course, none of this does anything about all the wingnut judges that we're stuck with for the next 30 years…
Your thoughts? Anyone have any other ideas on how to fix the judiciary?
Related posts:
- SCOTUS: Right Wing Objections to Sotomayor in a Nutshell
- Sotomayor: One Confirmation Down; Many More to Go
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Christopher Eisgruber, The Next Justice: Repairing the Supreme Court Appointments Process
- SCOTUS: Selecting Justice, A Live Chat with CAC’s Doug Kendall
- BREAKING: With 68 Votes, Sotomayor Approved as Associate Justice





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first…
thats how the founding fathers wanted to preserve the system @ that time…never realized how it would be changed
snuffy @ 0
Oh, there was a *lot* of stuff the founding fathers didn’t see coming. I think they assumed certain minimum levels of integrity, kept in line by the possibility of healthy and informed citizen outrage.
fitz
eli!
It might be a Idea for congress to install a judicial reveiw panel ,to examine the “worthyness”?of a fed judge..maybe a 10 year term
snuffy @ 3
It sounds tempting, but after all the ruckus the Republicans have made about “activist judges”, that would play right into their hands.
Anybody catch this in the MSNBC article on today’s Senate vote? This is how they refered to Ned Lamont by way of describing Holy Joe:
(empahsis mine)
Yeah…I’m pissed. They’d better retract that quick with apologies.
DC appeals court, stacked with wingnuts, Scooter’s big hope.
That’s a mountain of effin’ powder they’re sitting on.
Guilty…
Guilty…
GUILTY !!!
.
Sorry…what’s the topic? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephCC91SpLI&NR
Jane Hamsher @ 6
If you gotta pick one court to stack, that one sure would make the most sense…
The Bushies have done so much damage everywhere, but I think the damage to the Judiciary will be the longest lasting. All that nonsense about “activist Judges” comes straight out of page 1 of Rove’s playbook: accuse your opponents of the worst things you are doing yourself.
am dropping this as i go to bed-
knew someone that went to oral roberts university-tops in her class-the most liberal person you would ever want to meet. did oodles in her own community before she was murdered by someone she was helping.
personally knew a republican federal judge, was up nights with what he heard, was a good fellow.
babysat in high school for a republican federal prosecutor, his toddler daughter said f*cks instead of socks, very funny, he had a conscience a mile wide……and exhibited it at every opportunity.
these impressions were drawn from being raised by two fdr democrats.
i hear conclusions being drawn these last weeks from opinion, and not experience.
i say don’t draw conclusions, take each person as they are and go from there……….there is hope for anyone that is a human being. not everyone you think is partisan, quit thinking that, please……it ‘ain’t’ true……..plenty of people out there that still believe in truth. on both sides…….helps me sleep at night knowing that is true.
g’night
The upshot of all this is that the judiciary is becoming a second legislature, where cases are at least as likely to be predetermined by the political orientation of the court’s members as they are by objective interpretation of the law.
Certain amount of irony hearing that now from the liberal side, after hearing it so much not so long ago from the conservative side…
Call the next defendant…CHENEY!
dmac, I know there are good, decent, and honorable Republicans out there. But I don’t think the Bushies are nominating many of them.
Eli-
My question may simply point out how many neurons I have lost since high school civics. Why is the justice department in the executive branch? What would be the problem with having the justice department in the judicial branch of government?
Brad Friedman’s on Thom Hartmann talking about the attorney purge and the connection to WH and Rove gaming the election for 2008.
Read it here.
That is so frightening. Can this shit be reversed?
spinoza @ 14
I think law enforcement is considered separate from law interpretation.
Anyway, I’m sure your question would be used as justification for folding the judiciary into the DoJ instead…
inmymind’seye @ 15
USAs, sure. Judges, no. Once they’re in, there’s no way to get rid of them short of impeachment, and that’s a very very high bar, I believe.
I wonder if Carol Lam would care to challenge Darrell Issa in ‘08? Or if any of the others would in their districts. I’m not sure which district Carol lives in, but most any San Diego district needs replacement. Brian Bilbray, Duncan Hunter…
OT~
Is there a candle page set up for Tony Snow? I think it would be a wonderful thing for us to contribute to. Cancer Sucks! And we need to give all our support and prayers to EVERYONE who is fighting the battle.
I really appreciate having the candle site. It really allows me to pause, think, remember that while we may disagree, may have our battles, we are all human, have loving families, and need support.
The only way to fix the wing nut judges is to impeach and remove them. Removal takes a super majority. That will only happen if the voters off 10 more republicans in 2008 senate race. Don’t think so….but here’s hoping all the crap we see will even permeate the remain Rs who beleive in America and not Murika.
Eli @ 17
But then why is the law enforcement branch (executive) picking the judges?
snuffy @
4
The ABA used to serve that function, until Bush II came along and told them their opinions were no longer welcome.
Now, instead, Bush just takes suggestions from the Federalist Society.
Terry Olson @ 19
Unfortunately that district has been gerrymandered to death. Maybe another year of this insane war would convice people to vote against him, but that district is a repulican mecha in a blue state.
spinoza @ 21
Checks and balances. The executive picks ‘em, the legislative approves ‘em.
Eli @ 25
Well, that has worked well.
Eli @ 18
If Gonzales resigns or is impeached, and it’s found that the us attys were purged for political reasons, how likely is it that the us attys will be restored before the 2008 election? This is blowing my mind. Duh, I had never thought of this angle before.
I like options 1 and 2. I am not sold on 3 or 4, mainly because I am not a fan of handing governmental power to non-governmental groups like the ABA … but that’s my quirk.
I particularly like requiring a supermajority because it will have a centering effect, requiring a broad consensus in Congress. This is a first-blush reaction, and it may have significant pitfalls because the Republican “head start” in the Senate means that even if the Democrats represent a clear, indeed overwhelming, majority of Americans, there may always be enough Republican Senators thanks to the low-density conservative rural states to create mischief …
inmymind’seye @ 26
I think it’s just going to work as normal – interim appointees who can serve for up to 120 days, and permanent (until 2009) replacements who must be approved by a Senate majority. I hope the Democrats do their research…
1. How credible is the argument (at least for the SCOTUS) that even the most conservative appointments have dissappointed the base by not towing the dogma once they are appointed?
2. Isn’t there a mechanism to remove bat-shit insane judges?
Respectful Dissent @ 27
Yeah, the supermajority one is my favorite as well. If we’re talking *lifetime* appointments, and positions that are supposed to be apolitical, then why wouldn’t you want consensus appointees?
Let’s not forget the inimitable Brett Kavanaugh, like Janice Rogers, appointed last year to the DC Circuit. In his mid-thirties, like Kyle Sampson, but more polished, his principal experience was as gofer for Ken Starr, then gofer for the WH, shepherding judicial appointments through the Senate.
Just for context, if Congress and the WH debate subpoenas in court, they go first to the federal district court in DC. We’re assured that any decision would be appealed – to the DC Circuit – where Janice and Brett will give Mr. Bush’s views all the consideration they deserve.
Bugboy @ 29
1. I believe the Roberts court upheld habeas corpus in the Hamdi case, which is why it had to be explicitly suspended. I think there have been some other occasions where Scalia has voted against Republican interests as well.
2. Impeachment, but it’s hard to do. Maybe you could try gaslighting them until they kill themselves…
http://www.lawcrossing.com/art…..php?id=861
Federal judges are nominated by the President, confirmed by the United States Senate, and serve a life term. Potential nominees are usually recommended by members of the Senate who are from the President’s political party. The Senate Judiciary Committee is responsible for conducting confirmation hearings for each nominee. In this framework, whom you know as well as your political leanings count.
mbbsdphil @ 31
The idea of wingnut judges having a say over the capitol itself is really quite terrifying.
Any federal judge can be impeached, tried and removed by Congress. It is rarely done.
mbbsdphil @ 35
It’s generally for outright criminality, yes? You can’t impeach someone just for being a crazy ideologue.
Well, other than your suggestions regarding the confirmation process, I don’t know of any good fixes. But the Bush Troika may wind up not being as bad as billed: Extremist judges, once on the bench, tend to mellow some (exceptions: Clarence Thomas, and Scalia). That’s a pretty slender reed to lean on.
Another slender reed is that Cheney-Bush megalomania of the unitary executive has the effect of diminishing the power of the Court as well. The Troika are probably not willing to commit judicial suicide on command.
Another slender reed is that Roberts seems to value consensus, so he seems more inclined to narrow the scope of decisions to the matters that can get the widest support, rather than to try to cram through radical 5-4 decisions.
Just remember the Hamdan decision (5-3 against Bush-Rumsfeld). All is not lost.
Bob in HI
The President retains his power to appoint all US Attorneys. Mr. Bush would never re-appoint any of these eight. He would find the humiliation unbearable, and he would never miss the opportunity to expand his patronage network. These eight are now beyond the pale.
Eli @ 33
gaslighting lol I want to start a blog called klieg lights.
Anyhoo, then all it comes down to is what you consider bat-shit insane.
It wasn’t too long ago that the WH basically said it was bat-shit insane to think they would out a CIA agent. Yet we now know they tossed her name around like it was a frizbie.
Bob Schacht @ 37
You will note that I did not include him in my list of awful judges rammed through. I didn’t much like him, and he’s undoubtedly conservative, but I think he does have *some* integrity. Alito is dishonest slime, though.
Practically speaking, anyone subject to impeachment can be removed for any reason that the requisite qualified majority agrees on.
The reasons are usually pretty substantial, such as criminal or deceitful behavior. Otherwise, it’s inefficient, too divisive, and sends the wrong signal to the troops.
mbbsdphil @ 41
The other problem with impeaching wingnut judges is that it would open the floodgates if the Republicans retook Congress.
JGabriel @ 23 – You are correct. The reich wing felt that ABA ratings meant for too many libruls who would “legislate” from the bench, no matter how qualified. So Der Chimpenfuhrer and his minions have primarily appointed judges from the Federalist society. Who actually DO legislate more from the bench than any previous round of judges.
And of course, they are ALL mindreaders, just like Scalia, who absolutely KNOW the original intent of the founding fathers in everything. Why I bet they pray to Jeebus every night just to make sure…
dakine01 @ 43
I would *love* to see a Marshall McLuhan moment like in Annie Hall.
“Hello. I’m Thomas Jefferson. You, sir, are full of offal.”
Eli @ 37
I’m old enough to remember all the “Impeach Earl Warren ” idiocy after the court decided Brown v BoE and some of the other cases that accepted that people other than white males had rights.
It would help if we elected better Presidents and Senators. Everything else flows from that. JMO.
dakine01 @ 45
And was he impeached?
Correction, Janice Rogers Brown and Brett Kavanaugh on the DC Circuit. That’s the AAA farm team from which S.Ct. nominees are often drawn. Roberts was there before being elevated to the S.Ct.
Bob Schacht @ 38
Warren Burger and Harry Blackman (I believe) were best friends who drifted apart after both being appointed to the SC. Burger mellowed but never to the same extent as Blackman.
Scarecrow @ 46
Absolutely. The Constitution was designed to deal with flawed individuals in all three branches, but not pathological ones. The founders also assumed that no branch would willingly cede any of its authority to another.
Eli @ 48
I think some of the deep south congress critters introduced articles but they never went very far. But it was always a good talking point for the Thurmonds, Stennises, and other types , again, mostly deep south.
The founders also assumed that no branch would willingly cede any of its authority to another.
Ding!
dakine01 @ 51
I think the Republicans are always going to be far more willing to impeach than the Democrats…
Eli @ 51
I didn’t mean to be facetious. I just don’t think that other remedies work very well if you have an extreme radical/fundy for president and a compliant Senate.
Concern trolls are so tiresome.
Scarecrow @ 54
My belief is that any form of government works pretty well if run by decent, honorable men; and no form of government works well if run by crooks.
The trick is finding the governmental system that can still function with a high percentage of crooks, as well as possessing the means to continually weed them out.
Which is basically what this series of posts is about – the crooks have gotten into the machinery so deeply that they’ve corrupted the self-correcting mechanisms. They’re like a computer virus that disables your antivirus software first.
Eli @ 54
Agreed these days, but don’t forget, in the late forties/early fifties, those deep south types were mostly Dem. Thurmond was a Dem until breaking away to run for preznint as a “Dixiecrat” in ‘48 because Truman had the audacity to integrate the Army by Executive Order.
dakine01 @ 57
They may have been Dems in name, but they were functionally hardcore Republicans.
Eli @ 48
No, but the South regarded Warren as a commie, especially after Brown vs. Board of Ed. I remember seeing billboards to impeach him in New Mexico and Texas. Their attacks on him foreshadowed the efforts to impeach Clinton.
Need to keep in mind that there is very little daylight between what has happened in the USDOJ and the judiciary. One of the reasons given to both media and some of the dismissed USA’s for the changes in personnel is deepening the bench for future judiciary candidates.
And one of the expected targeted changes is in the Ninth Circuit Court district, considered the most liberal of the districts, and the one most impacted by the Pearl Harbor Massacre of USA’s (Lam, Ryan, McKay, Charlton, Iglesias and possibly Bodgen all in the same district). AEI recently whined about the Ninth becoming a “target district” for the purposes of filing class action lawsuits, with the recent Walmart gender discrimination suit cited as an example.
There has also been chatter about adding another judge to the Ninth and reducing one in DC — which increases the power of one in DC if they are already a conservative, and provides a vehicle to seat a conservative and dilute the perceived liberal Ninth.
This also explains why some of the folks appointed to USA’s as replacements are so very, VERY young — if they somehow snag a lifetime appointment to the judiciary next, they have as many as 40 years to shape the bench, graduating eventually to SCOTUS.
We have to start research on the judiciary next — because what you’ve seen happening to the USA’s has been happening but more quietly to the judgeships.
And we absolutely must maintain a majority in Congress, and work to win a veto-proof majority in the Senate. Losing is simply not an option.
Dixiecrats align with today’s Democrats about as well as Lincoln aligns with today’s Republicans.
Eli @ 57
That’s what brought Nixon down. Too many of the Republics at the time had scruples, from Elliot Richardson and Ruckelshaus (and Bork who actually fired Cox after being convinced to stay on by the other two) to Howard Baker and Barry Goldwater in the Senate to the House Republic who slowly realized Nixon had to go.
Scarecrow @ 59
Well, my point is basically that judicial impeachments are probably not gonna happen. They may get talked about (probably by Republicans), but they’re not gonna happen unless a judge is caught with money in his freezer.
Sure, in theory it’s possible that once removed from all political considerations, a judge may strive to be right rather than right-wing, but I don’t believe this kind of ideological transformation happens very often.
Nor does this happen overnight. I could take an ideolog any number of years to moderate and become a neutral observer. The damage done along the way can be irrepairable in the short term.
Eli @ 59
In today’s world, absolutely but not in the world of the time. At the time, the Republic Party really DID stand for limited gov’t, pay as you go/balance the budget, strong military, anti-commie. Dems at the time, even the deep south racists, were far more economically populist. Remember, they were closer to the Depression than we are to Watergate and Vietnam so they were far more aware of how easily the economy can and does go to sh*t and who gets sh*t on first.
Speaking from personal experience in the practice of law for more than 30 years, I don’t think it makes any difference in 99.9% of the cases whether a judge has been appointed by a Democrat or a Republican. The truth of the matter is that judges must operate within fairly narrowly circumscribed rules which make handling of most cases very routine (which makes the practice of law very challenging, I must say). While judges exercise great power and discretion over individual lives, the cases which are decided in lower and most appellate courts seldom make a ripple in the larger scheme of things.
Reform of the judiciary has to come from within the judiciary at the top which means activist judges in the best sense of the word, meaning judges, especially a chief judge, who has a clear sense of the Constitution and its meaning in preserving and promoting the dignity of the lives of actual human beings. If the Supreme Court starts articulating a clearer direction, the lower courts will follow because judges do not like to be reversed.
Seems to me the judiciary at the federal level, say, tends to be self-correcting with the weight of law being the omnipresent third party acting as a governor so-to-speak keeping judges in line more or less. There’s nothing to fix that won’t fix itself, I expect. However, something went terribly wrong at the highlest level in December 2000 that has yet to be righted. The forces of evil unleashed by the high court’s 5-4 decision to ban a recount of a close election result have not abated.
and on a loosely related note . . .
fired USA Bogden -
Las Vegas Sun
Lou Costello…. I have to steal your youtube favs list… sorry. I realize you may have sacrificed a bit of your life force, maybe even bled from your ears (e.g. “Crazy Religious Lady On Fox News…AGAIN!!!”) in order to make that list, which is kinda why I don’t want to do it myself.
That reminds me, have you researched hd tv’s lately?
dakine01- Wow! That just dinged a slight memory bell. A very slight memory bell. Remember hearing an NPR program (!?) about this a few years ago. Just wish I could remember the issue that divided them. Not so important that I remember for the sake of this thread… but still…
Rayne @ 61
OMFG! POD PEOPLE!! I’ve been wracking my brain trying to figure out how two punks from Biblethumper U.’s ended up with cushy jobs in WH/DOJ – well there’s my answer – future judge fodder.
How do they pick the judges for family court and regular criminal stuff? How do you know if those kinds of judges are repubs or dems?
—Cassie
Valley Girl @ 71
I believe it was abortion…
Cassie @ 73
Those are mostly state level and each state has different rules. some like Texas, elect. Other first appoint for a period of time and then hold “re”-elections every ten or so years to maintain office. It really is all over the map.
dakine01- thanks. When I get some spare google time, I will check it out.
Bugboy @ 71
Or how they wound up serving an unethical administration. When have we seen the religious background kick in, except for the guy who was coordinating the WH faith based handouts?
Bugboy -
please see quote/link @ 7:41 above -
Scarecrow @ 75
And by “religious background”, you mean “actually having read the New Testament”?
dakine01 @ 66
heh.
Valley Girl @
76
Just sent you a link via e-mail… :})
Terry Olson @
19
Yeah, what is it with San Diego and whackjob Republicans? It’s embarassing!
I’m struck by the fact that out of 375 investigations 298 of them targeted Democrats, yet far more Republicans have managed to be charged and indicted with various charges. This is quite a feat. Those GOP crooks beat the odds.
Btw, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Call the next deaf-end-ANT!
global yokel @ 81
Quality over quantity.
Eli — it’s the disparity between the religious ethical foundation and the willingness to accommodate working in a truly evil administration. Most of my extended family is quite fundamentalist — and they’re all truly decent people — kind, generous, caring and honest. I can’t see them sanctioning torture, or corruption, or lying. And yet, people who claim to be similar did sanction all of that. I can’t sort that out, but it’s scary.
Scarecrow @ 77
Don’t even get me started on the Pat Robertson, et. al. crowd. Not so sure about the Mormons, anyone got the scoop on them?
Scarecrow @ 83
I think we’re basically saying the same thing. How do you reconcile the policies of this administration, and the intolerance of the religious right, with the actual teachings of the New Testament?
I think of the religious right as basically “Old Testament Christians”, far more enamored of the bloody vengeful God of the OT than the compassionate Jesus of the NT.
Of course, I’m an atheist, so possibly I have no idea what I’m talking about…
Eli and Scarecrow,
I always wind up here -
Banality of Evil
Eli @ 85
I think maybe something nastier..and the dems noticed I think
snuffy @ 87
What, you mean like Republicans only getting investigated if the evidence of wrongdoing was just completely undeniable?
senator leahy has asked alberto
gonzales, the attorney general at
the moment, for answers about
(among other matters)
monica goodling’s status at the
DOJ, and before thursday’s senate
judiciary committe hearing, on
purge-gate, no less(!)
[an easy-view jpg image of leahy’s
letter to gonzales is here, along
with some more commentary. . .]
a political science professor
at chicago’s rooselvelt university,
whose name i did not catch, referred
to gonzo as a “high fly ball — heading
toward waveland avenue. . .”
p e r f e c t!
um. . . goodbye, mister spalding!
cbl @ 89
Yes, and that’s what makes it so scary.
mbbsdphil @
36
I think Alcie Hastings was the most recent. Now a congressman from Fl.(?) Nancy caused a stink with the Rethugs when she put him on the intelligence committee. IIRC
Eli @
88
I think you’re spot on with that. Although avowedly “Christian,” they seem to spend an inordinate amount of time quoting leviticus and the laws. However, since both of those books are so off the wall and beyond anything rational, it is easy to counter argue. Although they refuse to accept the arguments, it is real easy to ding ‘em.
There was an early West Wing where there was a talk radio fest going on in the WH. The prez (Martin Sheen character) confronts a Dr Laura type about her having used the leviticus quote condemning homosexuality. He smacked her down with the quotes from the same book about selling your sister into slavery and a few of the other more obscene directions from that chapter.
For myself, I find most of the ten commandments (have a bit of trouble with that graven image and keeping the sabbath holy), the Golden Rule, and the beatitudes as divinely inspired. The rest makes for some interesting (and not so interesting) reading for the mythological and some historical import.
My $.02
Eli @ 88, Scarecrow @ 83
It’s the authoritarian mindset, I think. The fundies are much more inclined that way than the mainstream churches. And for all their talk of Jesus as their personal savior, they really don’t do New Testament very well; they prefer the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament. (It’s quite amusing to watch them trying to give a strictly spiritual interpretation of the Song of Solomon without mentioning the s*x that permeates it.)
dakine01 @ 92
I think they’re kinda fond of Revelations too. I think that’s technically NT, but it seems better suited for the OT…
TRex upstairs
P J Evans @ 93
It’s simply impossible for me to ascribe *any* respect for the New Testament to the religious right. They are against pretty much everything Jesus stood for. They are, in fact, the Pharisees that Jesus warned about as the embodiment of self-righteous religious hypocrisy. Which is perhaps another reason why they don’t dwell on the NT too much…
TRex has a new thread upstairs.
randiego @ 82
Randiego:
Having been a long-term (off & on) resident of San Diego, I have watched it evolve from a sleepy little Navy Town to a major metropolitan city with a diverse economy. Unfortunately, much of our Civic Leaders’ thinking is still stuck in that small-town mentality. A lot of the political crap was overlooked, especially wrt military/civilian contracts, as long as it was small-time. These SOB’s just got arrogant and greedy.
I’m also assuming that Carol Lam is a Republican, just not “a loyal Bushie”
Eli @
97
Goes to their worldview. That’s why so many of ‘em are such staunch “supporters” of Israel. Like the Rev. Mr Hagee here in San Antone, or the Bugman and all the others. They need to have an ascendant Israel in power in order for the Rapture/Apocalypse to happen. I just think if the gentle Jesus of the bible does return, there are a whole bunch of avowedly Christians who are going to be greatly surprised
dakine01 @ 99
I’m pretty sure they would declare him to be the Antichrist, come to deceive us all into worshiping Satan.
I don’t know if this has been posted. I would say OT, but it’s all of a piece:
Very interesting polling information being reported over at Crooks and Liars here and here.
Also, Pat Tillman’s parents rejected the military’s report on the death of their son and want congressional investigation.
Randiego:
Having been a long-term (off & on) resident of San Diego, I have watched it evolve from a sleepy little Navy Town to a major metropolitan city with a diverse economy. Unfortunately, much of our Civic Leaders’ thinking is still stuck in that small-town mentality. A lot of the political crap was overlooked, especially wrt military/civilian contracts, as long as it was small-time. These SOB’s just got arrogant and greedy.
I’m also assuming that Carol Lam is a Republican, just not “a loyal Bushie”
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Well, yes. SD govt has been corrupt all 100 years of it’s history. OT, but we were Nixon’s “Lucky City”.
Before we knew about Cunningham, he was the guy that always trotted out the flag-burning amendment.
Duncan Hunter (hopefully) will have a starring role in the Abramoff thing, but he was the guy that stood up in the House and said the menu at Guantanamo was like Club Med.
One down, one to go.
Scarecrow @ 86
Scarecrow,I am from the same sort of family,but I can remember my grandfather,a child of pioneers in clearwater Idaho ,who belived the pastors word was LAW on any topic.And in my childhood,raised by fudimentalist,until the ‘60-’70 I undestand the type,and they would be the stormtrooper type ,given the right message…end time apocolipta extrordinare…
Eli @ 62
Yes, well, that needs to change. I think you might be surprised at the number of regular people in the south who do not consider themselves Dixiecrats. There is a growing progressive/populist movement here and it’s going to take every single one of us to effect any kind of meaningful change. I had high hopes of getting some
helpadvice from Howard Dean’s crew, but I’m thinking that my state is probably at the bottom of the list.After the Jeffersonian revolution, the Congress began impeaching judges for acting in too partisan of a manner. The result was the Marshall court acting in a judicial way rather than political. The point is, a couple of impeachments of very political judges will act as a deterrent to the bench. 2008 is very important. If there is enough of a tidal wave, some of the current right-wing nut-jobs can be swept from power, or at least neutralized.
Does anyone know the retirement package for Federal judges? hhmmmm…
mm @
109
I never inquire about another man’s package.
Scarecrow @
77
I bet that they ONLY hire lawyers from bible schools. They don’t want the best. they just want their base.
dakine01 @
95
I like the community stuff of a church or any relig. group, and I love going to the youth group, but I don’t want them tell me what I NEED to do.
I am a member of some messageboard communities where the focus is US politics. I post erratically, often just to gig the wingnuts. On the wingnuttiest of the lot, there’s a lot of love for Rudo, especially from a couple of guys who claim to be lawyers, and the sole reason is they believe he will appoint the sort of judges conservatives love. Of course, this puts him in the center ring with the authoritarian creepshow that’s been sliming the USA for a couple of decades.
Appoint Supreme Court Justices and lesser Federal judges for a term, not for life.
The term should be a long one – maybe 20 years for a District Court judge, 25 for an Appeals Court judge, and 30 for a Supreme Court Justice, to insulate the judge from politics, and from having to worry about what his/her next job was going to be.
But a non-lifetime term would at least limit the duration of the damage of a bad appointment, and it would also end the occasional practice, exemplified in Clarence Thomas, of nominating the youngest marginally credible ideologues one can find to the Federal bench.
We need to find out what Fed judgeships are up for grabs in the states that were targeted in the purge. I’m thinking we’re going to get a surprise there.
Another stellar post – it’s a keeper
My opinion is that the beginnings of compromising the judicial branch began with
NoxousNixon and his politicizing “Law and Order” which he used to camoflague his hidden political agenda and created an appeal to a majority. Who indeed is against L&O, particularly when the Dems are target of stop the war dirty hippie protest. Ford’s administration was a period of regrouping and Carter’s was a quiescence comming from lack of agenda to suborn the Judiciary. Come Reagan/Bush41, the department of justice was again the target of the subversive political agenda, this time camoflaged by “moral majority”. This period saw the politization of the Solicitor General from a long tradition of political neutrality to represent the Govt. position to the SCOTUS, suborning the position to a political hack pushing the hidden political agenda. Much damage to governmental oversight of corporate operations was destroyed during this period. Again while the Dems under Clinton administration were in control, the agenda was again mostly quiescent until the usurpation of the presidency by the “W”art on the presidency, the rest is history being revealed as we speak. The attack of the fascist republican agenda is being followed for the last nearly fifty years now, a silent and hidden coup de e’tat on both Judicial and Department of Justice to subvert enforcement and accountability for the agenda of usurping the Constitution and maintaining political power. That is my take on it anyway FWIW. EPU’d bigtime. All the best……..good news
thank you for infos
If the rule had been in place 15 years ago, Clarence Thomas would never have made it either (Thomas was confirmed by a vote of 52-48)
dakine01 @ 58
While Thurmond and his gang of troglodytes were angered by Truman’s desegregation of the military, it was the campaign during the 1948 Democratic Convention to add an anti-segregation plank to the Party platform–an action prompted by an impassioned speech by Hubert Humphrey (then Mayor of Minneapolis) and later endorsed by Harry Truman–that prompted 35 Southern Delegates to walk out of the convention and form the Dixiecrat Party.
Purgegate: More Bush/Rove Soviet Style Thuggery
(cognitorex)
Bush/Rove/Cheney/Gonzalez Commissariat
Political appointees oversee science (FDA & global warming) in this administration.
Political appointees botch, bungle and butcher Iraq reconstruction and Katrina relief.
Political appointees are sent into the CIA executive suite for a political cleansing mission.
Political appointees set up a propaganda office in the DOD to deliberately and maliciously mislead the nation into war while refusing to plan for known obstacles ultimately leading to thousand of troop’ deaths and injuries.
The hue and cry over Purgegate is that the Justice Department has traditionally been significantly and honorably immune to rank political interference. Not so under our presently governing thugs.
Despoiling democracy and honor while emulating a Soviet/Communist Commissariat model government is the operational and ethical basis of Gonzalez and his handlers.
Good news. If politicizing the Justice Department finally brings out the backbones of our legislators, Republican and Democratic alike, shout hosannas. Citizens of the entire planet sincerely want the America that strives for honor, honesty and equal treatment under the law to reappear.