
Shorter me: here's the beta for the Roots Project we've already built with volunteer effort. It's not debugged, fully functional or ready for prime time, but I'm showing it to you anyway, so you can get a loose idea of what we're after: a social networking site for people with progressive values, allowing them to form their own groups, sharing information and best practices nationally while acting together locally.
What we need now is the ability to hire a lead developer to direct the remaining programming effort to make this a user friendly, functional base site for grass roots organizing and information sharing all over the country. If you'd like to help us hire a developer, please contribute what you can through
thislink the donation options for credit cards or PayPal at the upper right side of this page (paypal and credit cards accepted) or send a check directly to The Fire Dog Lake Company, 8033 Sunset Blvd. #966, Los Angeles, CA 90046. Please make your amount a denomination ending in .75.We lack the infrastructure yet to respond with thanks to everyone individually, and hopefully, we can get beyond that soon, but let me say, very publicly, thank you thank you thank you!
Last week, 2,962 of you participated in the survey I linked through this post. Here is where you can view the results in summary format. I've shielded the comments because some of you gave personal contact information there, but I will say that more than a third of you offered comments, and I can count on my fingers the number of negative or critical comments. That's humbling and a bit overwhelming. Thank you.
As you can see, the overwhelming number of you told us you would at least possibly be interested in offering financial support for what we do here, and the most preferred strategies were the recurring optional subscription model and the appeals for special projects funding. This post re-introducing the Roots Project is one of those special projects. It comes on the heels of our Plame House appeals to help cover the Libby Trial and our appeals to help finance the publication of Marcy Wheeler's Anatomy of Deceit. Let me pause to thank you all again for your generosity in those efforts.
There's a lot more I could say about the survey data, but I want to stay focused on the Roots Project at the moment. Suffice it to say it appears we may be able to reach our goal to institutionalize and sustain what we do here at least in substantial part through your direct support, offering a platform that not only continues to advance progressive values nationally, but which also promotes the development of writing, reporting and organizing talent at fair market value. We need to help build a pipeline for long term movement talent and careers, and no one should have to starve or cheat their families' needs to take part in that. We can't ask for or operate on the basis of garage band, voluntary sacrifice forever, and you can help us change that, in support of a viable, "vaster" left wing conspiracy. Thanks again.
MySpace and Facebook are great. They allow people to connect based on their interests and values. We believe the Roots Project will represent the next great leap forward in that kind of viral, powerful networking based on progressive values. We'll be able to help you link up with others who feel the same way you do about the world anywhere in the country. You will be able to learn what activists and organizers are doing, for example, on local environmental advocacy in a far away county, sharing their materials and best practices, to apply in your own neck of the woods. The possibilities are limitless. You won't just have the ability to post "diaries," but also the ability to organize according to groups of your own creation, along lines of geography, issue interest or lifestyle. It's the new, national-cum-local town square for progressives across the country. Neat.
Many of you have told us you want this. There have been other attempts to put something like this together, but none so deeply entrenched in the netroots/grassroots community. I know there are many other worthy efforts out there, and we wish them success. We're just responding to the needs and requests of our community here, trying to deliver on our promises. We also intend to keep the platform based on the open source Drupal framework, because we like the philosophy of the open source programming model.
But we need your help to accomplish all this. Based on your feedback, we know the beta site needs:
- better front page design, with more intuitive navigation and less heavy text reliance
- an assisted sign-on and log in process that will help people join groups of likely interest right up front
We've done a lot to turn those needs into specific project specifications. What we need now are the resources to pay someone to take this .7 beta to a full 1.0 status.
For that, we need your help. If you'd like to support this effort, please contribute what you can through this link the donation options for credit cards or PayPal at the upper right side of this page (paypal and credit cards accepted) or send a check directly to The Fire Dog Lake Company, 8033 Sunset Blvd. #966, Los Angeles, CA 90046. Please make your amount a denomination ending in .75.
Once again, on behalf of our whole community here: THANK YOU!
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I feel like Pink Floyd:
Hello? Is there anybody IN there?
Roots!
hey pach!
so, 56.9% of the people who took the time & energy to fill out the survey HAVE NEVER CONTRIBUTED $$ TO FDL OR ACT BLUE???!!!
I find that – really really wrong.
I think they’re all downstairs watching the Senate.
yeah, we’re C-Spanning.
rosalind @ 3
I don’t. We’re a developing base and brand. And, we have not done a very consistent of effective job of making it easy for people to contribute and take part in what we do. I frankly found the relatively high percentage of past supporters to be heartening, from my survey research background.
rosalind @
3
something that can be corrected!
the googlegroups work great for maybe up to 100 people max… we need something more / better to help us organize ourselves to REALLY large groups that can coordinate with and learn from eachother.
rosalind @
3
Some of us live *really* close to the edge financially. As much as we’d *like* to contribute…
rosalind @
3
Agree with Pach – 43.1% DID contribute. As someone with some experience at this, that’s an impressive number.
bdu @ 8
ah, but there will be lots for us to contribute that doesn’t require $.
we can call or visit our congress critters, we can write letters to the editor…we can propose actions, do research… we can be so much more effective when we work together… each person contributing what they can.
very exciting!
I’m also beginning conversations that might enable us to promote house parties to help people from this community share their experiences here with others.
Would people find that potentially valuable?
Most certainly, it’s just that the comment in question was of a purely financial nature.
Fixed, sorry about that.
Pachacutec @
11
I’m a firm believer in the value of talking face to face. We can do a tremendous amount of organizing online, but there’s a level of human understanding that is available when you can look someone in the eye that is not quite transferable to pixels.
Pach!
I’d like to see the comment format style from DailyKos here, instead of the repetition positive comments or the, Fitz! posts, it just makes for faster reading, not meant as a put down. Some of us don’t have time to sit throught 200 comments. Theirs is pretty neat, its got the 4/0 so that anyone can link through and agree or disagree by clicking on the commenter. Just sayin’ by 2cts. :-)
I’ve posted just a few comments here and love it here, thank you and I am contributing…..
OT: Holy Joe up on CSpan.
blerrgh.
Thanks, Linda. Much appreciated!
Pachacutec @ 5
Actually, Pach, I think that’s right. I can’t remember (it’s been a while) but isn’t it usually about 15% that contribute when asked that’s average for this sort of thing…or am I remembering something else?
there’s a related posting a TPM today: organizing for democratic renewal by marshall ganz.
misses a bit of the last decade’s organizing efforts… and how they can be incorporated into electoral politics… but otherwise, i really liked it.
thanks Pach!
I don’t want to sully your thread with OT Iraq vote comments, so I am going back downstairs.
:O
People can contribute in many ways besides financial.
My blog header is “Lead. Follow. Support. Teach. Learn.”
Everyone can do something to help every day. Did you teach someone about what is going on? Did you learn something that might help in the future? Did you provide emotional and moral support to someone who is doing what you think is good? There are a lot of ways to help without breaking the bank.
Audrey, it depends on the methodology. Direct mail has a much lower rate. MoveOn has email lists as do campaigns, and the best model there usually involves a specific project.
Our number really has no direct comparable, as it subsumes BlueAmerica candidate donations, other FDL projects and so on, all done through blog posts. We’re at the bleeding edge of developing and discovering a new model.
But no matter how you look at it, the results of the survey suggest a great deal of enthusiasm, loyalty and growth potential if we build the infrastructure to reach our people well and consistently, and build out from there.
The unbelievable enthusiasm and desire to provide support are even more evident in the comments. It’s no exaggeration to say we’ve helped people change their lives and find new hope. It’s unreal.
angie @ 20
With apologies to Pach and others who want to focus, an OT update on what’s happenin’ elsewhere is one of the reasons I appreciate this site and the current thread. The topic may be wrong for the posting, but the spirit of informing the pups is appropriate. No?
I don’t see much use to rating comments. It feels like something designed to discourage them. (Yeah, I know, trolls. But trolls here get thrown back under the bridge.) Reading them is half the fun, anyway.
I don’t mind other discussion here. It’s all activism, which is what Roots Project is all about.
Matt Browner Hamlin @ 14
i’m so with you on this… would love to find a way to connect local organizing efforts… amplify our voice… and ground us in our communities (local and on-line).
Pachacutec @
25
Whew. I just had to stomach RG Joe all by myself.
pach–just donated three times last week as redoing my budget made a LITTLE money available….so can only donate a small amount to the roots project, which is all i can donate each time anyway….
i don’t have a problem with the people not donating yet, the idea is to inspire ideas, then works…….maybe some of the people not making donations are donating in big ways in the comments section, which to me is as good as money in the bank, helps keep this place goin’ in a good direction…….
please remember peeps, this is a community, (one i just joined recently) and all have a different role to play as they are inclined to, able to, and inspired to…..please don’t let this thread turn into a money thing……..
it’s about sharing resources, all kinds, not just money, and in starting the roots project, the ideas are gonna be what matters here, without those, the tree will die………so let all contribute in their own way…..money and/or ideas, each is just as vital to the growth of it…..
takes time for people to see where their money is going, and i’m sure that a lot of people are new, so let them decide in their own time and way what this place is worth, and whether they can afford to invest in it…..i’m done……./rant
Thanks Pach–
No, you didn’t randiego @ 27– my electrostatic field became so charged that I got thrown out of the site!
He was absolutely disgusting and I resent that the Dems have to give him time for his immoral rantings.
I can recommend a low-cost developer with small ops in CA and head office in Beijing. Run by Swiss national who used to run EDS Beijing. Ten year history. Very entrepreneurial. Does lots of work on development, IT outsourcing for various industries.
Web site for I.T. United is “www.ituc.com”. Contact Cyrill Eltschinger.
WRT people donating to FDL’s projects, I think the Roots Project is something that is (a) worthy of support now and (b) something that once people see what happens when people are empowered to organize for political changed together, will grow a strong stream of support.
Warner does not want to sound “the bugle of retreat”.
“think about the energy that flows through the gulf of hormuz if it implodes”
P J Evans @
24
I’m in favor of the streaming comments format — not just because I’m a troll and don’t watch TV, but the liveblogging is really fantastic. The comments are like a lexical visualizer for [one’s] goals.
Warner is full of shit. He was against the escalation, but is now speaking out on the timeline. The damn thing is 18 MONTHS away! How long DO they think we’ll be there?
Pach,
When FDL did the fundraising for Marcy’s book the little fundraising thermometer was there to remind and direct people to the project and to give us an idea how much was donated. It allowed people to see how much more was needed. That has not happened with the Plame house donations. Knowing what the goals are I feel would be helpful.
At different times people have funds they can afford to donate but other times we are short. Letting people know what is needed I think can inspire folks to plan ahead and donate when they can.
Since this has come up, our project leader will need to be well and deeply versed in Drupal. But once I have some money to work with, I will have a person help me create the RFP and I will publish what kind of person we need/what the project will require.
Then I will accept applications to work the project from interested candidates, who will include their project price/structure. That way I can use this cmmunity’s resources well.
Make sense?
randiego @ 34
Warner’s up for re-election next year. Should be interesting.
I am glad to see the Roots Project being re-introduced.
I hope that the Roots Project works hand-in-hand with the growing local/regional progressive blogosphere that organizations like BlogPac are working so hard to develop (i.e. the Albany Project, Blue Jersey, MyLeftNutmeg).
Now may be an opportune time for the Roots Project to reach out to regional progressive bloggers across the country in order to begin building a larger membership (and with it, greater financial resources) and also in order to ensure that our efforts create synergies and are not redundant or duplicative with what is already being done by the many excellent local bloggers who have grown up organically in many regions.
Man, why am I always broke as the ten commandments whenever stuff like this arises? Is there any way to put a thingie off to the side to remind us about funding options, if we’re able to contribute later?
AZ Matt @ 35
I thought about this for this project, but since I don’t know what it will cost to complete this, I did not want tp publish a money pot against which future bidders will benchmark their proposals. Whatever budget we develop, I’d rather keep it to ourselves so we can be sure to get fair market value.
oh forgot-
and i REALLY like the logo at the top…………i would like a t-shirt with it on the front OR the back……..and i bet my dad would wear one, he’s wearing out his favorite earth day t-shirt, needs a new one to wear in his travels……..
i really would buy a shirt with this logo, and i rarely wear t-shirts(say rarely wear t-shirts with a baba wawa accent…..h/t to gilda)
i first got involved in roots action when we were all calling our senators and asking them to support feingold’s resolution to censure bush for breaking the fisa law by having the nsa spy on us without a warrant.
it was frustrating because here in MA our calls didn’t seem to be making a difference (although there were a lot of them) and i was getting the run around from kerry’s office.
pach suggested in a comments thread that maybe we needed to start showing up in their offices… that sounded good to me and i asked if anyone was interested in going to boston with me during the upcoming congressional break. RevDeb and Prof Foland and I went on that first field trip…. and I wasn’t even allowed to leave my letter to kerry with the guard at his office building. within a few weeks there was more of us, and we got to meet with an aide (and then another aide)…. and eventually kerry did sign on as a cosponsor to feingold’s censure resolution.
i think kerry probably wanted to support the censur resolution… but he needed constituent support.
it’s just too easy for us to be ignored when we work by ourselves… but when we work together… anything is possible.
and the best thing? i’ve gotten to meet some of the most amazing people: RevDeb, Prof Foland, scarecrow, Kathryn in MA, ryan, and more…
ooh, almost forgot:
ROOTS!!
*xyz @ 38
We’re already tied in pretty well with Do More than Vote and very friendly, though not coordinated with, Cosmopolity (*Liberally), and I’m sure we’ll find some convergence with BlogPac as well.
Matt Browner Hamlin @ 31
early money is like yeast.
bdu @
8
I hate to talk about it, but we’re having problems in that regard. It’s bothered me that I haven’t been able to contribute, and am not sure when the difficulties will be over.
Mrs. K8 @ 46
Please don’t apologize or feel guilty. People know what they can afford and if you’re struggling please hang on to your money.
There are people around here with means and they can help more, bit by bit.
selise @ 7
I’m one of those people who took the survey and haven’t given money. I lurked a little for a couple of months and just recently started to post. I needed to be sure my perception of FDL was accurate before diving in. I do put my money where my mouth is, so my money’s coming this week.
Folks should not feel bad if they are at a point where they don’t have money to contribute – there are tons of ways to help and so many here do just that.
Looking to raise funds is one key aspect of what we are doing – but it’s not the sum total of our work.
Lot of comments here about money…many ways to contribute besides money.
ENCOURAGEMENT and SUPPORT are worth gold for those who go out and work directly. Exhibit A here.
These people are not ALL bad, like Lieberman, but just ill-informed. They just don’t know what they don’t know, and they have teams of apparently intelligent and informed staff, which we pay for, to tell them things.
So not only do we have Dumbya in the WH but we have posses of Just Dunnos in the Congress.
McConnell now says we have changed course —- just not true. Quieting Baghdad would take years and abourt 120,000 soldiers in Baghdad alone, so he too dunno what he dunno.
Also — I very much wanted to fill out the survey, but there was nothing I could do to get the “enable cookies” page to go away.
I asked in the relevant thread if there was any recourse, but got no response.
Not that I’m steamed about it or anything, just mentioning that I wish I could’ve participated in that. Maybe in future some other survey format could be used, or the kinks worked out.
I disabled every single cookie-relevant software (including a software firewall) on my system, enabling cookies every which way, and nothing helped.
Pachacutec @ 36
sounds very good. will there be some transparency on the project specs?
Pachacutec @
11
We in the MA group have been doing a lot of face to face which has also given us more motivation to keep active. Networking with other groups is a great next step.
Thanks so much for this, Pach. The Roots project is really important and I think there is so much we can do with it up and functional. We’ve had huge successes with Marcy’s book and Plame House and I think has the potential to have incredible impact.
We really appreciate your commitment to this.
We have some rather fine granularity documented at a developer’s access section of the site itself. That stuff can’t be open for access, for obvious reasons. But our commitment to Drupal and to open source programming means we will participate in the Drupal community and offer any new developments for others to use and replicate.
my comment was spurred by my enthusiasm for fdl. it in no way was intended as a slight to anyone.
maunga @ 51
Pach –
Thank you for your kind response. I still am motivated to do what I can, just as soon as we are able.
We don’t even go to the movies, but that’s not a complaint! We don’t WANT to go to the movies, LOL!!! The first discretionary spending that opens up for us has FDL penciled in in our planners.
Love this place so much! It’s been such a personal support to me, how could I not want to give back?
And I’m grateful to everyone here who’s been generous with time, money, OR skills to make this community so great.
Pachacutec @
11
Gotta’ house, lake, fireplace for the fire. Need to borrow a dog.
I’m ready. Let’s party.
Pat_AlexVA @ 37
I’m sure he thinks about that every night while drinking his scotch.
Thanks, Pach. I’ll put another check in the mail today. FDL is my favorite way to spend money—much more fun than a mortgage or an insurance payment. I think the sky is the limit for what FDL can do. Marcy’s book and the liveblogging of Libby’s trial were truly groundbreaking accomplishments. Mr. Dido and I were thrilled to be able to support them.
I hate the comments system at DKos, so I never read the comments there. I think the freewheeling conversation here is much better. Go FDL!
Maunga 51!!! I’m so sorry,
my comment “I think a lot of old timey Repubs have a pre-Neocon mindset and truly cannot see what is happening before their very eyes. Many of the older Congressmen and women can’t fathom that their leaders could actually have an alternate agenda. My Dad was that way. He worked in government and thought protocol was everything. He would have been 100 this coming July.”
ended up right in the middle of your comment!!
Rayne @ 60
Gotta’ apartment, sprinklers, and a gas fireplace. Have a cat. Hmmmm. Not quite the same thing, huh?
Pachacutec @
36
Hey Pach, maybe you could check with Aldon Hynes about a likely candidate? If memory serves, Hynes was da’ man with Civicspace (based on Drupal, underpinned Deanspace). He probably has some good leads for you.
You might also poke around Civicspacelabs.org, too, see if there’s a community member interested in this.
Zee @ 64
Hey! Running and jumping in the sprinklers is lots of fun!!!
Not sure the cat would agree, though.
;-)
ack!!!!
Harry Reid – “in this chamber is Joe Lieberman and there’s not a senator I have more respect for than Joe Lieberman!!!!”
“Senator Lieberman, there isn’t a senator here that I have more respect for” Harry Reid
Blergh!
Well, that sucks! I had all these things I wanted to say and got booted out. Had to reboot on dialup. Yuck. Anyways….
egregious @ 50
Thanks, egregious. You are so right. I feel bad that I can’t contribute financially but I’m delighted that the Roots Project is so inclusive as to allow me to do what I can to help. It’s empowering!! I’m so excited about having the chance.
Zee @ 64
Hey, you gotta’ party with the digs you’ve got, can’t wait to party with digs you want.
Party on, dude. Pass that hat.
I’ve been out of touch with the Roots project for so long. What exactly are we doing? Are we forming local groups? Are the local groups autonomous or will we receive some guidance? (These may be stupid questions.)
As a CT person I’d really like to find a way to get the local press to pay more attention to the Lieberwhore.
Pachacutec @ 56
thanks pach! am very glad about the committment to open source. the local indymedia folks here just went drupal… and i am sure that there are others who could benefit from roots developments.
would love it if development specs could be made open for read only. ..
Regained my composure…..Pach a great idea and I’ll send a check. I can’t always donate money, but when I have it I send it. Great work.
Pachacutec @ 44
Great. Thanks for all of your work on this Pach.
One more question – do you see the Roots Project as something primarily for FDL readers – or do you hope to gain a broader membership? Either approach has its pros and cons.
HI Pach ,
O/T but important. Just got an email on this from a friend and need your opinion.
According to ON LINE Journal.com – A Russian source that says that the US will bomb Iran on April 6th. Code name Operation Brite. Is this bogus or not?
Here’s the link.
http://onlinejournal.com/artma…..1888.shtml
OT, but just wanted to share this post from one of my favorite writers, Barbara Ehrenreich, re: Katie’s interview.
My favorite quotes:
Pach – the folks at VolunteerMatch (old friends) have been willing to put a request out through their network for a project like dev a web site – that’s a good option and they get the best
Siun @ 67
harry, now i know you lack good judgment.
Senate voting now.
Siun @
67
I want a new leader.
I mean it.
Mandrake @ 76
Oh, thanks for reminding me why I love Barbara Ehrenreich!
Topanga – that story has been going around … another puts the attack later in April … nothing definitive yet.
voting now on timeline!
My contribution to the Roots Project is now on its way to you all. Thanks Pach!
Angie – me too!
Siun @ 84
Does Harry think he’s going to come to YKos to speak again, and get a free pass on this weak malarkey?
Jane Hamsher @ 55
Absolutely! Pach is gold! (Then, so is everyone here.) Thank you, Jane, for creating this wonderful environment.
(Do you ever get tired of hearing this?) :)
Sorry to hear that, Mrs. K8. In general, I try not to bring it up too much, but I can definitely sympathize. What with gas hitting 3.30/g for the cheap stuff, rent having gone up another $100 this year, and the price of *everything* inflating because of transportation costs (see first item), I’m totally feeling the pinch. And don’t even get me started on the asshole practices by the credit card companies…
We’d like to se the core of the culture flow from FDL with its Blue America sensibility, though we expect a wider audience.
I’m sure RP will develop its own culture, evennif it is tightly linked with FDL. There’s actually a lot written about culture over at the site itself, as we’ve given it a lot of thought. For example, instead of “buddies,” we have “neighbors” over there. Language matters.
selise @ 78
It’s really frustrating. I can’t believe that deep down anyone likes Holy Joe. I mean it’s so obvious what a corrupt b*stard he is.
Siun @
84
Me three!
randiego @ 79
is this on the amendment to remove the withdrawal timeline from the supplemental funding bill?
Siun @ 77
Good to know. We also already have a member of our server maintenance and software team who knows Drupal well and has connections in that community. All of these contacts will no doubt be helpful.
Selise – yes!
LoudounLib @ 83
Thank you!
randiego @ 79
selise:
is this on the amendment to remove the withdrawal timeline from the supplemental funding bill?
Yes.
Lieberman voted against timetable for withdrawal – surprised? Not!
Mrs. K8 @ 52
Mrs. K8,
What system are you using? PC, Mac? Windows 98, etc.
Don’t know if I can help but I’ll try.
10 yeas
17 nays (*i think*, so far and we got Nelson of Nebraska)
Siun @ 82
Thanks
I sent a small amount to you guys last week and when able will send more..you guys have are a great source of information and education…and you have big hearts so I know anything you would do is for the good of humanity, thanks for that.
Nelson from Neb. voting no (if I heard correctly) on supplemental…a good sign.
Holy Joe voted yes of course.
bdu @ 87
We’ve been doing our grocery shopping way more frugally these days. No more “gee, wouldn’t it be fun to cook an exotic dish this week?” Nope.
Still, we keep a good sense of humor about it all. My mom told us all sorts of stories about how they made it through the Great Depression — “mustard sandwiches” and when they were a little flush, “catsup sandwiches.” Meat was out of the question for a while.
Maybe that’s why we enjoy old movies form the early thirties so much! There was lots of wisdom in those flicks, and great humor, too. “Hey, is that the corner prosperity is just around?” [quote from My Man Godfrey]
Pachacutec @ 88
wrt “language matters” – i am SO with you on that.. and it reminds me… imo, manager should really be changed to facilitator (or something like that).
bdu @ 87
I think those of you who cannot contribute financially should not stress about it. I am sure that there are some of us *raises hand* who can make up the difference if need be. Heck, Mrs K8, I’d contribute just to read your comments alone!!
mandrake @ 76
I wish she wasn’t quite so hard on divorce. Multiple divorces speak of poor judgement, but one divorce is okay by me: could have been teen marriage or something else that’s one time only.
Selise @ 72
How about the specs in PDF form?
Audrey @ 97
PC with W2K and the latest Firefox.
angie @ 98
and webb! i should never have doubted!
LS @
63
No worries! I’m delighted ‘cos it made me seem more thoughtful.
The vote is on!
Smith– NO.
*xyz @ 74
I think that we would want as many progressive community members as possible, though the natural starting place will be from within the FDL community, as yall already know about what RP has done and where its organizers are coming from.
So far the dems are holding.
Goodling is nowhere to be found according to CNN…weird.
P J Evans @ 105
sounds very good to me!
GAAAHH!
Mark Pryor is at it again!! from the wapo
Democrat Proposes Making Withdrawal Date Secret
He is a Duncan Hunter Dem dressed in Lieber-robes.
angie @ 109
damn.
have you heard hagel’s vote yet?
Liarman is in the corner with members from the republic party.
selise @ 115
He voted Yes (Hagel)
mui @ 89
Kucinich’s site says Harry Reid got $253,000 from AIPAC, which would explain his`support for the Israeli (Dual?) Lieberman.
LS @ 112
Seriously? Did you see it on TV or the website? Did they say anything else?
Helen @ 104
Helen? You just made my day. And I mean it.
Connecting to other real-life human beings who love their country too, and not being so isolated and frustrated in this house by myself has made all the difference in my sanity.
And I love the comment contributions of every single person here, and the chance to get to know new people in the community all the time — what a rich cornucopia of human experience! And all of it to save our beloved nation and Constitution!
Whitehouse voted NO….
ok – confused on votes – a vote No is the one we want – what did Hagel vote? and Smith?
ESAR @ 114– brilliant redux!
“No” is the
rightcorrect vote against the Cochran amendment.Clinton – NO
tbsa @ 116
And Harry Reid says there’s not a senator he has more respect for than Joe Lieberman.
Harry Reid. Sir. With all due respect. What. The. F*ck.
Siun @ 122
A no vote is what we want. We want the amendment to fail. Hagel voted yes and so did smith.
Soory I am late, perhaps this has been mentioned. CNN reported the VP is on hand in case he needs to vote to break the tie.
When we originally started the Roots Project, it began at FDL and then the folks at C&L and Glenn Greenwald’s place were “invited” ie told about it. We had GoogleGroups from 44 states by the time the rush was over. The RP site came several months after that. Some of us are still using the GGroups while the RP site is in development.
The thing about FDL that makes it different from many of the other blog communities is that we WANT to do boots on the ground work. We have creative people and generous people and we want to use this great community’s talents to take this to the next step. If there are others in the progressive blog world that want to join in, great, but we have set the bar high and don’t want to let go of that standard. At least that’s my take on it.
Pach and Matt and the others have been great in getting it started. We hit a lull because Plame and other things took over, but we know we want to keep growing this. It’s time to get back to work.
*xyz @ 118
Wolf Blitzer report. They went to her apartment and her neighbors said they had no idea who she was. She is gone. They did a little thing about her in college, etc….They said she was totally focused on the USA’s and that she was some kind of “placed” employee or something. They had a blub of Gonzales sort of pleading dumb.
Maybe she’s secretly married to James Knodell.
tbsa – thanks!
silly work calls during vote are unacceptable!
Nelson (FL) – NO
tbsa @ 125
Wait, upthread it says Smith voted NO.
I’m so confused. Where do these people stand?!?!
Siun @ 121
Thanks for asking to get that straightened out, I was getting confused too.
The amendment by Cochran is to STRIP the deadline requirement, so NO is the right vote.
So Hagel voted YES? Well, there’s hypocrisy for you.
Hagel, No!!!!
Hagel voted NO.
Nelson – Florida – no
tbsa @ 117
sigh… i was hoping. well, one out of two…
what’s the story with pryor?
Eureka .. gee, I am so relieved that our VP is so responsible.
still screaming at Reid
Zee @ 133
This is a Repub amendment. A Yes means knocking out the timeline.
We wants No’s. We just got Hagel.
Prior (pryor) voted Yes.
Smith voted no, unless he changes his vote later.
:>
Oh happy day. Landrieu says no.
maunga @ 118
I guess as a Lamont supporter I have a problem accusing HoJoe of dual loyalties. His loyalties are really to whichever way the wind blows, not Israel.
Hagel-No
Pryor-Aye
Landrieu-No
Ah, someone had said Hagel had voted YES.
Where do we go to get a list of who voted how?
I am absolutely certain that I heard Hagel’s vote announced as No. Which means if the Dems hold, the amendment is defeated and we move on tho the bill itself.
So ir looks as if the Whip is in….. Why not tell Lieberman he votes the ticket or changes Party. It will make no difference to the Committee Chairs, and would clear the air. Once the Iraq debacle is over Lieberman will be left hung out to dry by the Republicans.
Wait Pryor-Little Lieberman-Aye.
I like the comments to flow just the way they are. It’s conversational.
Joe and McCain are sooooo chummy …
where’s Reid now?
Hagel voted in the affirmative, it’s been read off twice on CSPAN, he’s not with us.
LaFourmiRouge @ 143
Thank you! That would have been TOO much if he hadn’t voted no.
Pete “When’s the indictment” Domenici was Aye, I guess.
I would LOVE to see it pass with Cheney sitting there with nothing to do but wallow in failure.
tbsa @ 148
AAARGH!!!
THat !@#$#$%!!!!
I heard Hagel as No as well …
Breaking MSNBC…
Cheney en route to the Senate in case of a tie
Hagel had a wonderful interview in GQ.
Cozumel @ 154
OK, God, how about a little smiting action right about now?
edit — leaving it in God’s hands, of course (note to the S.S.)
I heard Hagel voted no…..
Hagel talks a great talk, but what can you expect from someone who stole his election? No’s have it 50 to 48
Yes 48
No 50
Holly shit it went down!
Yea 48
Nay 50
mui @ 152
Yes, yup, yep, right-on, dah, oui, yah, and unh- huh.
Nays 50!
Yee Ha!!!!
wow! we won that one?
calling roll now
Siun @ 122
no is good (don’t remove withdrawal timeline)
yes is bad (for the amendment to remove withdrawal timeline).
i’m confused now too. some reports of hagel voting yes, some no.
hoping both smith and hagel voted no, ‘cuz i think that means we have 50 votes (to 49) if all the dems (except pryor vote no).
does that add up?
Mrs. K8 @ 106
Shoot. I just changed up to XP and it’s different, but I used to have 2k.
If I’m not mistaken, you can enable cookies by going to IE and in the Tools menu|internet options|Advanced. There you should be able to scroll down to the check box to enable cookies.
Did you try that already? Can you find it ok?
Can you import settings in Firefox? I used to have that too, but haven’t installed it yet on this computer.
I saw when you originally posted your question, but was already several threads behind.
Did Cheney’s limo just go screeeeech?
Mrs. K8 @ 154
HAGEL WAS A “NO”.
Mrs. K8 @ 157
Maybe he’ll get stopped by one of those “terrorist” checkpoints they throw up around town…
Did we win?
I guess with Johnson still out of commission in rehab, we won!!!!
Woooo hoooo!!!
Okay — off to the pool to do therapy now.
OMF***king GOD! a vote for peace.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 127
A chill falls across the Capitol; Darth Lurking.
That is a huge victory. We lost Pryor but got Hagel and Smith. All the other Dems held together, on a deadline for getting out — that is huge progress. It puts much greater pressure on the conference committee.
Breaking Coz…
Cheney changes route and is now heading for an undisclosed location LOL
Kisses and hugs to (((((angie and siun))))))
LoudounLib @ 169
is someone not voting (other than tim johnson)?
Scarecrow @ 175
amen.
there is some justice, maybe.
after all.
Right back at you ESAR – I am happily stunned and hope it means a better today and tomorrow.
Now how long until we get to watch Bush stamping his big feet and having a hissy fit?
Cochran Amendment fails 48-50.
We win.
The Senate is so quiet now.
This is HUGE!
Audrey @ 166
Oh yes, I did everything. Even though I don’t use IE at all, just Firefox. (I love Firefox, try it, you’ll never go back!)
Thank you for trying to make sense of this, but it really is a mystery. I did hear on that thread that others were in the same predicament, though. At least I have company!
selise @ 167
Not sure, but Whitehouse voted no.
carmen @ 179
Now THAT’S gonna be fun to watch!
Cozumel @ 176
That would be some place with no extradition agreement with the U.S.?
Pachacutec @ 180
So do the troops.
Scarecrow @ 175
HUGE, HUGE, HUGE!!
amazing work. harry, i take back every bad thing i thought about you today.
Ben Nelson came over after balking two weeks ago. Mike Enzi is missing, and we picked up Smith and Hagel, thus 50 votes, taking Dick out of the picture!
sweet. They held together.
Upside-down world:
Hagel votes with us, RG Joe against.
LaFourmiRouge @ 189
thank you, didn’t know about enzi.
OT: Esten Maxwell update from Tommy Yum:
angie @ 178
and one gut-wrenching vote after another, the Repubs are forced to stay the course with Bush, oppose getting out, support unending war — all positions opposed by the American people — they’re killing themselves. I think Nancy gets a lot of credit for setting this up in the House with their 218-212 vote last week.
QUESTION… Was this vote just for the issue about removing the dates or was it for the whole bill?
michael ware – cnn – “i dont know what part of neverland mccain is living in when he says it’s safe to walk around in baghdad”
(((((((Love and healing to Esten)))))))
LaFourmiRouge @ 189
Hmm, I wonder what the look on Liarman’s face is now? Huh?
((((((((esten & tommy))))))))
Pryors offices were hit with a lot of calls begging him to vote correctly and he now sits alone with Lieberman.
Reid actually looks a bit surprised.
Tithonia @ 196
ditto.
very much love to you and your family.
Zee @ 194
Yeah, it was for stripping the timetable.
Zee @ 193
This was just about removing the timelines.
twolf – I think we should invite McCain and JoeL to take a stroll … see the sights… enjoy the ambiance, eh?
Zee @ 194
Just about removing the dates.
Enzi would be wise to not accept any offers from Cheney to go hunting.
Siun @ 203
707! A nice little cafe, some cappucino…
Scarecrow @ 193
if the withdrawal timeline stays in during conference and bush vetos it (vs a signing statement that he is going to take the $ and do what he wants)… i will be so happy to prostrate myself in pelosi’s direction.
please, please let nancy be right and me wrong.
i actually have some hope now…
Soon we’ll hear how the MSM plays this.
Good vibes to Tommy Yum and Esten.
Sally @ 206
Can somebody bear to watch Faux and see how they spin it? I’m afraid I don’t have the stomach for that.
“He can swagger all he wants but we have 3,241 dead Americans.”
Off topic, but only tangentially
DEBKAfile reports: High alert at US and UK bases, Middle East armies on the ready lest Iran’s seizure of 15 British seamen Friday is only first Iranian reprisal action
and
DEBKAfile reports: More than 10,000 US personnel, two aircraft carriers and 100 warplanes begin biggest simulated demonstration of force in Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq
Don’t know how credible this site is, but …
Gotta run,
L8r
Need 8 votes to override a veto…is that correct? Maybe when some of the Repubs realize that the troops in Iraq are sitting ducks if the US attacks Iran, they’ll show some real support for the troops and get them outta there.
I wonder if this means we’re going to get another screeching op-ed from HoJoe in either the Hartford Courant or the Wall Street Journey. *hang dog look*
Thanks for the updates.
So glad FDL is on this vote- my effing cable went out right after Hutchison spoke…
You guys are excellent *gratefully hits PayPal button*
randiego … precisely!
and now I’m off for a few minutes to stroll down the street for some bakhlava for tonight’s desert in celebration (having just discovered the most amazing source of same that is not too sweet and gooey but just perfect little pastries …yummm)
LoudounLib @ 209
No need – Kos already has it:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/27/1317/17196
Bush will have to make his first veto against the troops, rather than accept a reasonable timetable for withdrawal.
The neo-rats are feeling cornered now… Perhaps Speaker Pelosi could reintroduce a no Iran measure or something…
John in Sacramento – the war games piece is accurate and widely reported (just not in US media) – in fact I woke to news of that on the Beeb this am.
Will check some sites to see if other ME news sites are reporting the first.
Patience is a real pain. The nails are slowly but surely going in. There was a great suggestion elsewhere that the blogsites might divide up the focus since the attack is becoming like Hitler’s on Russia, multi-fronted. In this case, however, it is the right method and strategy. To use more military analogy it will be Russian tactics, a mass attack with individual attack points presenting themselves.
For Bush to be formally Under Investigation on many fronts would thus be the favored route — thus paralyzing the WH, and that will lead to massive slip-ups.
There is, of course, an amendment to vote on — Webb’s, putting the prohibition of Iran back in.
Mrs. K8 @ 183
When you said you did everything, I thought you might have. I had problems with 2k toward the end as well. Sites would no longer recognize what I had. Strange that. Hope you find an easy answer. I loved Firefox.
I was following the vote vicariously, just in case…blood pressure, you know. We win! :)
Enjoy your therapy!
Anybody know what the deal is with Enzi? And won’t he make it a tie (for Darth to break) if he votes on the bill?
Jane has a new thread upstairs.
Yum– that’s my kind of dessert, Siun @ 215.
Pistachios, walnuts, or almonds.
yummy. enjoy.
LS @ 212
no need, so long as the 50 votes hang together. bush vetos, and he has NO money for his war.
If Bush bombs Iran, once Iran has taken out the oil installations on the west side of the Gulf, the Gulf will become ’somewhat impassable”.
At the same time the extensive border Iran/Iraq will probably be ‘visited’ by Iranian soldiers, amillion or so, probably more prepared to fight than the Iraqis. We might well find that we run out of munitions to throw at them and they will be too close to nuclear. Remember, we ran out of bombs just in bombing Kosovo!
The only way out for our lads will be overland to Jordan and to Aqaba —– think of the diplomatic ‘difficulty’ if we wanted to pass through Palestine into Israel— or across Syria, Ha! Ha! into Lebanon, or like the evil march from Kut in ?1916, all the way up Iraq and across Turkey.
No wonder the Pentagon is not keen on our attacking Iran…… just watch the death rate of US soldiers if Bush bombs Iran…..
Write to the Republican Congress dummies about that one!
Pachacutec @ 6
Yeah. Typically, public radio stations count themselves insanely lucky if a third of their listeners subscribe. We’re already beating that by over ten percentage points, and that’s without trying very hard.
I’m having trouble figuring out how to contribute. The link just takes me to my own PayPay account. Could someone walk me through this, please?
rosalind @
3
You are free to think it’s “really really wrong” but, I can say I am a disabled person, barely surviving on a limited fixed income, and I was happy to be able to contribute my TIME in the form of responding to FDL’s survey. I would bet that many other people are having a difficult time just putting food on the table for themselves and their families. If you’re suggesting that perhaps many more people who are regular readers of FDL COULD donate, I would have to agree with you, but to say that it’s “really really wrong” denegrates the TIME many people took to answer a survey. (I used to be in marketing and I know it’s HARD to get people to fill out a survey.)
Furthermore, it sounds like you’re on the proverbial high horse; the subtext is that YOU can afford to pitch in, and YOU have your prioritites in order, and what’s wrong with those OTHER 56.9% who didn’t do what YOU can afford to do. I think that’s kinda funky thinkin myself….
Presumably you did contribute, and for being able to do that and actually doing that, I thank you. You have contributed to making my world a little better.
I did the survey, but I have a few more suggestions for the Roots project:
A home page is needed as a gateway, with pointers and help pages. Sometimes I feel like I’m riding a bicycle on the Information Super Highway, while everyone else is driving sports cars as they go zipping by me. I need some tutorials! Like, for example,
*What is a “spotlight”? How and why would you use it?
*What is a “trackback”? How and why would you use it?
*What is an RSS 2.0 Feed? How and why would you use it?
Having tutorials on these things, and the new features of the Roots project, might make some of us Firepups more effective citizens.
Bob in HI
Michele @
228
The link is to the FDL interface with your Paypal account. You can fill in an amoung, submit and it will come to us.
Hope that helps!
Pachacutec @ 231
Well, I wish it were going to the FDL interface, but it’s not. I’m beginning to have the sneaking suspicion that I might need to use IE to do this rather than Opera. I’d rather mail a check than use IE.
Michele @ 232
Whatever you find most convenient. We really appreciate it.
FYI, based on survey feedback, we’re preparing to set up a payment/donation infrastructure independent of PayPal. Stay tuned.
Pachacutec,
In the place I’m at (My Account – Paypal) it says when I click on Send Money to put in an email address or a phone number. I think if I have an email address to put in, I could do this from where I’m at.
Could you email me privately? I’m so sorry to be taking up blog comment space with this. I really do want to contribute, even the small amount that I can afford to give right now. I’ve been following FDL since the middle of the Libby trial and feel it is about time that I put $ where my heart is.
Michele Chavez
micheledc AT Qnet DOT com
[Mod Note; Email address format edited by Mod.]
Update: Pachacutec suggested I use the Paypal button at the top of the page. That worked and now I am a happy FDL contributor!
Michele
Pach, I want to help.
I think it might be a good thing if we had some idea of how much the total cost is expected to be. I hate the thought that Jane or others of you might have to come out of pocket for something that I think will be a wonderful thing.
Knowing goals is one factor for me in trying to figure out how much I should give. I think others may feel the same way. Fund-raising on NPR includes goals. I have had other experience in fund-raising that suggests that this is important to many people for lots of reasons.
As you may have noted from other comments I have made, I am really interested in fund-raising issue, and hope this helps.
I’m trying to get some market feedback on what this will cost, and so far it’s a little imprecise. But it could be five figures, and we’re nowhere near that now. Last I heard from Jane today, we had a less than $1k from today. But we’re not done with this.
for anyone late to the post and tempted to pile on, a heartfelt plea: my first comment was borne of enthusiasm for FDL and was in no way intended as a slight to anyone in the FDL community.
i apologize for my word choice that left my thoughts open to misinterpretation.
i will formulate my thoughts more clearly before posting in the future.
We already have a fully functional social networking site up and running. And it is running on Drupal. There is no need to spend a dime. Just join up. Diatribune
I love that you guys are always pushing things 1 step further and never rest on your laurels.