Hunter has a few things to say about the declining credibility of elite media. The entire thing is well worth a read, but this jumped out at me:
I have never (and I do mean, never) gotten the impression that anyone among the upper echelons of the press understands just how badly their long-term credibility has been damaged by their uncritical kowtowing to administration propaganda when it comes to the Iraq War. I've never gotten the impression that they comprehend just how much their brand credibility was torn to ribbons, and how to this day there are large segments of the population — the segments of the population that tend to pay the most attention to issues and news events, not coincidentally — who remember quite well all the things the editorialists of the press were wrong about, and continue to be wrong about, and manage to make themselves quite insufferably wrong about, and that there simply is no patience, or marketplace, for these same voices again. Just as events in Iraq have impacted our military for the next two decades, so too will future editorializing about future national security debates be impacted by the abandonment of principles evinced by media behavior in the Iraq War.
I think there is some confusion between the collateral damage that traditonal media are constantly suffering at the hands of the right and what is happening now. The drone of the Wurlitzer constantly telling low information types who probably aren't deep connoiseurs of news anyway that you just can't trust the media is of course omnipresent, but that's somewhat distinct from the pervasive damage done to the esteem with which traditional media is increasingly held in the eyes of opinion makers. Those who are paying attention, those who influence friends and co-workers, those who are most likely to be asked "so, what do you think about that?" are, I think, increasingly disgusted by the unrepentant hackery of Judith Miller or Steno Sue Schmidt, or Fred Hiatt's tourettes-like compulsion to blather nonsense uncontrollably. That kind of damage is deep and pervasive and whether traditional media is oblivious or in denial I cannot say, but I do not get the sense that they are even close to coming to terms with it.
If you didn't get a chance please read Emptywheel's fine piece last night on Max Frankel's visit to the Libby trial, wherein he takes a moment to blow Bob Bennett. And yes, it was just that disgusting. She said at the time that what Frankel really needed to do in his piece was come to terms with the horrible, unacknowledged travesty that was Miller's Iraq reporting (as well as the sordid situations into which it led Miller), that it was the only way to start to salvage the Times' dignity and reputation. Of course we know that's not going to happen, not in the pages of the Times itself anyway; they have way too much invested in the farce they continue to play out with regard to this story. Which is a shame, because the credibility of much good reporting and insight elsewhere offered up by the Times suffers with that anvil proverbially tied to its neck.
As Atrios noted this morning, revenues are down all around in the newspaper business. That's a bad thing. Good reporting is essential to the democratic process. Part of that is probably due to the awkward transition many papers will make online, but I think he is right in his assessment that not all of it can be attributable to shifting technology. Dan Rather recently described it as a "go along, get along" attitude that access journalism has nurtured, and it is both toxic to the demands of a modern audience as well as antithetical to the nature of what true journalism is. (And BTW, I think Rather does get it. I interviewed him at SXSW and I think he is very much aware that the profession is in crisis.)
It would be a boon to all of us if everyone else would clue into this fact sooner rather than later.
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Jane! Another great post….
Fitz!
Reporting!
JUSTICE!
Be The Media:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com
Cardboard and paint and a little bit of nerve… that’s all it takes to reach a hundred thousand people tomorrow. All by yourself.
Monica Goodling, senior counsel to Gonzales, just invoked the fifth! CNN
fyi…
from Josh Marshall at TPM at 3:45pm:
Breaking off the AP wire: DoJ official Monica Goodling to take the 5th at upcoming congressional hearing.
I miss Dan rather. I miss America, for that matter. Thanks for fighting for it.
I think both Marcy’s dissection of the NYT’s Max Frankel & Glenn Greenwald’s examination of the MSM’s “oh, that’s not of interest” [via the Chris Matthews’ video] are essential elements of an understanding of this phenomenon.
toolpusher @ 4
Goodness, what could she possibly be hiding?
Will this Monica be the downfall of the Bushies?
Other than Murray Waas, Sy Hersh and a very few others, most of the industry has morphed to stenographers and sees nothing wrong with that.
Marcy’s piece on Max Frankel is currently being featured on The Huffington Post.
If I ever want to zed again, I will have to stop reading the posts first.
But the posts really are the good part.
Thanks Jane.
This is a song which bears singing again and again.
You do a wonderful job of concisely analyzing much that is skewed in the so-called mainstream media in regard to this issue of reporting or commenting or providing punditry in this post, but that is not new. Your site and the bloggers on it have set a high standard. Would that more took up the challenge.
My wishes that you be well and (continue to) be your feisty self.
I saw Dan Rather on Jay Leno’s show after SXSW, and Rather was embarrassingly naive about what’s going on with politics today. Either he was playing to the audience (Leno’s audience is a small step above FOX Noise zombies) and/or the cocktail weenie set, or he is a man out of time even if he has a glimmer of understanding that his profession is suffering great decay.
It’s clear the established corporate media has calcified into a get-along go-along propaganda conduit for the GOP party. Notice how it’s never attack those in power, but rather always attack Democrats whether in power or not. Even “sensible” news outlets like NPR’s have become tainted since moving in with the DC crowd. The best reporting is coming from outsider organizations like McClatchy and USA Today (I never thought I’d say that about “McPaper”).
I think we’re at a period in history where the corporate news is crumbling but more and more “activist” journalism is happening. Some, like Talking Points Memo and this dear site, are starting to transition into being seen as respectable and legitimate. It’s just the beginning, and it’s because this New Wave (or is it Punk?) journalism is delivering better results.
There are two so called ‘responsible’ groups for which I blame in allowing the Bush boys to get us into Iraq. The MSM and my political party, the Democrats.
I just finished watching “News War” on Frontline yesterday (thank you TIVO). One of the things that struck me is the transition that much of the traditional media has made from reporting based journalism to opinion based journalism.
Yes, a traditional news-gathering organization is expensive, but I really liked the St Pete Times model about the paper being in a public trust.
A year or so ago, Ken Auletta was at Harvard’s Shorenstein Center for Press, Politics, and Public Policy. I told him then that the press corps seems to have contempt for its readers and viewers. He appeared to be shocked at my use of the word “contempt” and asked me if I meant it. I said yes.
It seemed to be a new thought for him. I hope he spent some time with the idea but I have yet to see any evidence of that.
Cambridge is a wonderful place to get to meet these people in small groups and maybe even ask an impertinent question (it has to be a question and you only get one – unless you have tenure). I’ve been doing it for years and find that most of the big name journos are fairly mediocre intellects who sometimes don’t even know the basic facts about the issues in question. Disappointing but real.
For instance, William Kristol is teaching at the Kennedy School this semester. I went to one of his classes a month or so ago. I may go again when he has an open session for q and a. He’s not a good teacher. He sticks to his outline and doesn’t really know how to engage the students in the process. “Boring” seems to be the consensus among those taking his class.
I am hoping that the good investigative reporters will somehow find a way to get the vital reporting out. I agree that the decline of national newspapers is a travesty. This damage to our democracy by the MSM’s lazy, co-opted reporters should be loudly laid at their feet every time we can manage it.
puppethead @
13
Having seen Rather on Maher’s show recently, I would think he was more playing to Leno’s audience. He knows that he has freedoms now that he would never have had if he were still at CBS…
Woo Hoo Jane! You are a link with sanity in these otherwise unnerving times. How my late and authentic American newspaper reporter Daddy would love ya too!
Monica Goodling”s attorney:
Ya think?
I wonder if Cheney and Conrad Black ever exchanged e-mails…
EPU’d but appropriate
CNN = Certified Necrophilia Network
Starring ANS 24/7
I’ve long been lurking… After reading earlier posts today and this one, I found myself thinking that it is not solely the love of power that has motivated these journalists. Remember how, just before the Iraq invasion, Phil Donahue was cancelled even though his show had good ratings? Wasn’t the view that they (wasn’t it MSNBC?) couldn’t risk carrying that anti-war talk. I think this was a real shock to journalists and “pundits,” and sent the message that the public didn’t count anymore, that viewers or readers wouldn’t act as a counterforce to the pressure to go along with the bluster. The marketplace stopped working…until now, when the people are going elsewhere to get the truth.
well Monica Goodling was on the front page of Drudge, but also on that page was this:
SENATE STAFFER BUSTED FOR CARRYING WEBB’S LOADED GUN: Phillip Thompson, executive assistant to Senator James Webb (D-VA ), has been arrested by Capitol Hill Police on Monday for ‘inadvertently’ holding the senator’s loaded gun, according to a person close to the investigation. A Senate staffer reports that Thompson was arrested for carrying the gun in a bag through security at the Russell Senate Office building while the Senator was parking his car. Thompson was booked for carrying a pistol without a license (CPWL) and for possessing unregistered ammunition. Developing…
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we know how Drudge leans so,but, does he has to put this item in red? I mean,for me this doesn’t help his cred as a legitamate source for news and is why the Drudge report isn’t my first news source. I used to always go to his site before I knew better. Google news is way better and of course FDL and Kos, rawstory, TPM. What I’m saying the new media is here and its online; bright people are demanding straight, clear news reporting and we’re getting it.
If they want to stop the exodus of subscribers like myself (WaPo), perhaps they’d be wise to start asking why, or at least start reading the notes like mine, titled “Why I stopped subscribing to the Washington Post” when such insight into the readers’ minds is given freely.
But I’m not hopeful.
I tell ya, I was so bummed out after reading PX Woman’s piece yesterday I had to watch 2 hours of the Food Network to clear my head. Molto Mario!
I’m fast coming to the opinion that more newspapers ought to be run as non-profits. From what I read, that change worked fairly well at and for the St. Petersburg Times.
They aren’t whacking newsroom staff left and right, and they’re now the biggest newspaper in Florida, I believe.
Mauimom @ 7
Glenn Greenwald’s article seems to me to miss a very important point. His basic premise is that it suits the press to fawn over those in power because they have a vested interest in their own jobs. But he does not mention that this did not happen during Clinton’s time in office. Au contraire. And he seems not to notice that this is all very PARTISAN.
OT – and a couple of days late… but i hadn’t seen this from CQ and thought it might be of interest… here’s the first bit:
and some more bits…
pretty good snark…
Glenn Greenwald (by way of Steve Benen) points to a YouTube clip from The Chris Matthews show as ‘the most revealing’ clip ever of just how lacking in insight, credibility, seriousness — you name it — today’s sorry excuse for Journalists really are. As a four-minute snapshot it really does capture the rock bottom state of these so-called watchdogs of Democracy.
dakine01 @
9
Well said, I would add Froomkin to that list.
I am de-lurking to thank The Dirty Freaking Hippie Bloggers of FDL, TPMmuckraker, Crooks and Liars, Truthdig RawStory among others. These “ordinary” folks are true courageous warriors against the Bush Crime Family. The cowards of the Corporate press (Katie Couric is their newest member), deserve contempt and ridicule. Katie, Wolf, Tucker, Broder and most of the rest are “loyal Bushies” and are enemies as bad as Rove, Cheney, Gonzales, Gates, Armitage etc. Remember when Katie was going to allow diverse opinions on her show? The proof that these phonies are just pretending to be journalists is at waynemadsen link
Also the 3/22 WayneMadsenReport.com discovered where some of the White House archived e-mails get stored-Olney MD:
Last year, WMR was contacted by an anonymous source who claimed to have intimate knowledge of how the “EOP” (Executive Office of the President) archived older e-mail and other documents. The source said that it is EOP policy to send archival documents to an underground Federal Support Center at 5321 Riggs Road in Olney, Maryland for safekeeping. WMR passed this “tip” on to those who have “back channel” communications with Patrick Fitzgerald’s office with an emphasis that the anonymous source appeared to have a very good working knowledge of White House document handling and archival procedures. The anonymous source suggested that Fitzgerald and a team of FBI agents show up unannounced at the Olney facility and simply seize the e-mails in question. Shortly thereafter, most of the the “missing” 2003 smoking gun e-mails involving Cheney’s office were found.
I used to buy at least one newspaper every day. I LIVED for newspapers. Now, I couldn’t be bothered. I got less and less for my 50 cents until I gave up and started getting news via the internet. And I do not watch network news; nothing except Olbermann, actually. I read the news mags – skeptically – for free in waiting rooms, and refuse to buy them.
On the other hand, I have NEVER been so well-informed on EVERYTHING. I read blogs and I read the internet links to online newspapers, though not without understanding their context. funny how that works….
When did this change? somewhere post-blow job and prior to Iraq.
Rayne,
I’m behind in my reading. Could you give us a quick summary of what you emailed Waxman and how his staff responded?
Thanks
Here’s what I think is the bottom line. There’s no money to be made with hard core investigative reporting. None whatsoever. The money is to be had is to telling people who have already made up their minds exactly what they want to hear, because it validates their beliefs. A vicious circle. This gets viewership/readership up, and therefore, advertising revenue goes up. Money makes the world go ’round….
As soon as someone can figure out how to make large sums of money for huge corporations by selling “the truth”, it will happen in the blink of an eye.
Is the John Dowd representing Monica Goodling related to Maureen Dowd?
Goodling’s educational background is interesting – Messiah College and Regent University Law School [Pat Robertson’s Baby].
John Casper @ 31
Well said, I would add Froomkin to that list.
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Agreed. But since he’s mostly web work (where we can add FDL, TPM, Media Matters, and others) I was thinking mainly of those journos who still are printed primarily on dead trees.
Poopyman @ 25
I cancelled last year, and periodically wonder if I need to resubscribe just so I can cancel again.
When/how did you write them a “why I’m cancelling” note?
zeppo @ 35
Why, then, are newspapers’ circulation and revenues down?
Monica Goodling taking the fifth,
Karl Rove using alt email channels,
missing emails from ‘the DOJ dumps’,
G-dude sitting in on meetings about ‘the firings’,
Best get under something solid,
the house ‘o cards is coming down…
…it’s about time.
melfeasance @
10
Marcy “Big Time” Wheeler! (did I mention that she’s *dreamy*?!)
Frank33 @ 32
Is this the same building that was on fire a few days ago or have I gotten 2 separate pieces of news mixed up?
Mauimom @ 38
Just last week after Hiatt’s editorial on …. what the heck was it? Hell, I’ve lost track with that man. Anyway, I ended by saying I wasn’t going to pay to be talked down to by the likes of him.
Oh, it was the Libby trial summary.
Via C&L, a story about Republican Westmoreland objecting to Al Gore’s visit with members on the House floor on grounds he is a “foreign agent.” Nancy Pelosi’s response:
We’ve had a week’s worth of news and it’s only Monday. Stock up on popcorn.
montag @ 39
Good question…. For one thing, I think the old fashioned newspaper is becoming passe in today’s society. You gotta pay for it, you gotta go out in the weather out to the mailbox or driveway to pick it up. It’s faster and cheaper to be able to watch your fave newscaster/bilious pile of crap on Fox News or get on line. Plus, you can tailor what information you are after. You don’t have to sift through the entire paper to find something that interests you. Heck, I do this myself. I only scan my local newspaper, maybe sports or the local stuff. I never try to find out anything of national importance there. I use FDL, Countdown, HuffPo, DailyKos… Yeah, I still subscribe to the local paper, but I am not actually sure why. I don’t use it that much. It does provide nice material to light the woodstove in the winter. (That’s a bit unfair, since my wife likes the paper.)
That is a only my admittedly cynical viewpoint. Not saying I am right. That’s just what I feel. I think the readership of FDL and other like sites are not at all indicative of the general population of the United States. I wish everyone were so passionate and well informed.
old gold @
36
I’m guessing here, but the lawyer guy who did the investigation of Pete Rose for ML Baseball was John Dowd. And I’m bettin’ it’s the same fellow :})
“Those who are paying attention, those who influence friends and co-workers, those who are most likely to be asked “so, what do you think about that?” are, I think, increasingly disgusted by the unrepentant hackery of Judith Miller or Steno Sue Schmidt, or Fred Hiatt’s tourettes-like compulsion to blather nonsense uncontrollably. That kind of damage is deep and pervasive and whether traditional media is oblivious or in denial I cannot say, but I do not get the sense that they are even close to coming to terms with it.”
Indeed, Jane. The combination of most main-stream newpapers’ growing credibility deficit and the structural problems inherent in their business model (their readers and hence their advertizers are moving to the web in droves) means that we are witnessing a revolution.
What will come to replace them? Increasingly authoritative, clear-headed, and uncorrupted web properties like FDL, TPM, etc.
How can the MSM ultimately compete with the insightful, funny, gut-hitting, unflinching and just plain dazzlingly well-written posts that are your special gift? The most thoughtful readers will find a home here, on the web, and that influence will spread. You are creating a journalistic brand that all but a very few in the print media are likely to maintain.
The revolution may not be televised. But it is being blogged. And by the best and the brightest.
Scarecrow, while you appear to be present in this thread, I would like to say how much I enjoy your posts. I look for them every morning. Keep it up! Really great stuff.
scarecrow @ 44
Schmidt: veterans are cowards.
Westmoreland: vice presidents are foreign agents.
Cheney: Democrats are traitors.
Despicable human beings these three.
Wikipedia, my guide to jurisprudence, states that
Since no Democrat on the Hill has mentioned any crime, does her refusal to answer questions mean that Congress operates like a grand jury where a witness’s answering one question implies a willingness to answer all? Or is she just rehearsing for her grand jury appearance?
I’m not so sure. I remember how little time passed between Nixon and Reagan. (The system worked, don’t you know) There is nothing new about disillusionment with establishment media. What is new is the vibrant new media on the center-left. The right has had alternatives for much longer, which is part of the reason for their political ascendance. So the questions are what business models will sustain the new media, how can their influence be extended, who will win the tug of war between the bloggers and the MSM, or will both lose and further trivialization, commercialization ala FOX (but in slightly different flavors) continue to erode the US democracy till nothing’s left.
We will be moving this summer to the Philly area and I was thinking this morning about what newspaper we would get. My husband is still a newspaper reader though I hang out on line and beat him to almost all the good news stories. Sadly, though the “Inky” the Inquirer was part of the Knight Ridder syndicate which deserved accolades, when it was sold, it did not become part of McClatchy. It seems that a right winger bought it so I have no interest in subscribing.
I’m wondering how the subscriptions of the Nation, TAP and Salon have been doing over the past couple of years. It would be interesting to track them vs the MSM.
zeppo @ 48
Thank you. It’s a privilege to be here. I also love all your films. ;)
What do you expect when you pay “journalists” millions of dollars … republicans. They pay Russert 5 mill. What do you think that buys? Katie Couric? or how about all the other idiots you get to see on the tube. I heard Ted Koppel was pulling down 20 mill a year. And abc was laying people off doing real news.
BillE @ 54
Sounds about right. Don’t bite the hand . . . and all that.
OT Schuster up on Tweety.
I used to buy the LA Times one day a week for their food section. At the time it was running 16-24 pages a week, and outside of the ads it was mostly recipes. Now it runs about 8 pages a week and the part that isn’t ads is mostly reviews of restaurants (the trendy kind). And very few of those restaurants are outside the area from Park La Brea to Santa Monica. Their definition of ‘LA’ just keeps getting smaller and smaller. Another example of dead trees becoming deader.
scarecrow @ 53 to zeppo
I also love all your films. ;)
That’s really funny!!
kdh22 @ 57
LOL…. Actually, I picked this posting name for a particular reason. Think of which brother of the four Zeppo actually was.
Maybe we should think about developing more of a reporting abilty. The Newspapers are not going to change. I was delivering newspapers before/after 9/11 the Chi Trib cut the delivery agents pay we had 2 out of a total of four in our warehouse quit. The Trib would wait weeks after the gas price went above $2 before giving the Drivers more cash (this was pre Katrina). Yet they wonder why delivery service is bad! Forget reporting if they can’t deliver the paper they got trouble. The thing is they have known about this for years and it has only been getting worst. Their new columinists since Mike Ryoko died suck, heck despite getting a free paper most drivers won’t read the paper. Although with the bush economy there were an increasing amount of college educated types Driving a route. Free paper College education and they can’t get their own to read it! Thats how bad it is. We need to educate our own to be better voulnteer reporters, You already are way better than Kathleen Parker and she sits with Tweety almost every saturday!
Novak trying to paint Abu as “incompetent” is nonsense. EVERYTHING Abu has done has been intentional. It amazes me that Novakula doesn’t get motion sickness from all the spinning.
Can anyone tell me if this is for real:
Embattled AG now accused in sex scandal ‘cover-up’
Attorney General Gonzales among officials who allegedly ignored abuse of minor boys
from: link
I didn’t know whom else to ask, so I am sorry to cut into the discussion here.
Zeppo — I have the same tailor. Nice guy.
RevDeb — don’t laugh/cringe, but Times Select is worth it for the editorials and Frank Rich alone. Also the archives. The rest is a barometer of the state of the media. Much history there. R would agree.
RevDeb @ 60
Bahahaha!!!
RevDeb @ 60
All the MSM whores have been spinning so long they can’t discern fact from fiction, they’re too dizzy.
scarecrow @ 62
BTW, my college-student son advises me that Times Select is free to those with an .edu e-mail address. So . . .
ot: sully posted a letter from a reader that for me captures the essence of elizabeth edwards’ grace beautifully.
link
I see Atrios named Hiatt his “Wanker of the Day – again – as seen in this MediaMatters article.
Some things never change, and ol’ Fred is one of them.
rufo_firenza @ 30
Norah O’Donnell giggles when she watches footage of Darfur. It’s that deep giggle that comes from her diaphraghm. Darfur is so giggleicious, even more giggleicious than the small-bore politics of Democrats trying to get Karl Rove!
Let’s put it to the Matthews Meter: Is lying wrong? 8 of you said no, 4 of you said yes. Gloria Borger, you said no. Why not?
“Chris, nobody is candid in politics. That’s why they call it politics!”
“Richard Stengel, you said lying is wrong. In what way?”
“Chris, I misread the question. I meant to say no!! When everybody does it, it’s no longer wrong!”
“Richard, you are brilliant. And I love the Time magazine redesign. You guys are brilliant. Patrick Healy, what can you tell us this week about Hillary’s vagina?”
“Chris, with all the focus on Elizabeth Edwards’ breasts this week, nobody noticed that Hillary’s vagina moved even more toward the center.”
“Patrick, you are brilliant. I love that!”
mc @ 49
Well, thanks to the Plame hearing, we already know that Westmoreland has all the charm, wit and brains of a tree stump.
And people like him seem to have this visceral need to prove the obvious about themselves, over and over again.
scarecrow @ 61
Can get it the next day free through the library on line. But R will have to decide from where he will get his crossword fix.
Did you read John Carroll today? Excellent.
zeppo @ 58
Well, he was the straight man…. :)
eyesonthestreet @ 61
OMG! That is a devastating article if true!
montag @
27
The St. Pete Times is a decent paper in a wilderness of mediocrity. My dad lives in Tampa, but subscribes to the St. Pete paper. He wouldn’t use the Tampa paper to line a catbox with.
I had an email conversation with a conservative who proposed that we argue only with “credible” sources, i.e. no blog posts. When he insisted on using a right-wing piece on Saddam Hussein’s still hidden WMD while refusing to run my piece on worldwide terrorist activities increasing in frequency and intensity even after Bush made great claims about the WOT (Confirmed in major media reports months later), we decided to call it quits. Neither story came from a blog, both were from a more formal website (Neither one came from a printed-on-paper source), but the point is that credibility has nothing to do with format.
Heck, I even once had problems with a DailyKos piece. The writer ragged on about a Joe Klein piece, I said to myself “Actually, this isn’t bad at all” and sure enough, Digby later piped up to say that Joe had written an unusually good piece.
I could write a whole long piece about how to tell a credible source from a dodgy one, but the point is that where a story comes from is pretty much meaningless.
greenwarrior @
28
This certainly did NOT happen during Clinton’s time. What’s funny is that they were going after him on sensational and trivial matters, and not “reporting” on the real damage caused by Clinton, which IMO was NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, and every other pro-MEGA-business initiative Clinton pushed.
I worked in “the media” during those years, and there was virtually no reporting about how harmful NAFTA is to the middle-class, or how the Telecommunications Act erodes our republic. These things and how Clinton backed them while calling himself liberal, is what would’ve been fair stories at the time. Instead we were treated to story after story, many completely made up by Scaife, Limpballs, etc., about Clinton’s “character.” To me, this fact alone shows how the Conglomerate Media minnions INTENTIONALLY rig the whole system this way. Whatever MEGA-business wants is good for John Q. NASCAR. Trickle down economics, baby!
I think people give the punditocracy too much credit, as if they’re just trying to get scoops or reporting on “the game” in D.C. Most are doing this stuff ON PURPOSE to keep the public voting in people like Bush and Clinton, and making sure Russ Feingold is considered an extreme liberal.
infoshaman @
50
I was wondering about this as well. How can you refuse to answer a question on the grounds that doing so may constitute evidence of purgery unless you’ve already committed purgery. Can’t they just slap her with contempt of congress at that point?
One of my dreams is for everyone to cancel their cable subscriptions.
Stephen King calls television the “glass tit” and i agree. We need to ween ourselves from the monster.
Next cancel wapo and nyt, usatoday, and any other suspect newspapers.
Then, get your news from trusted online sources, (even if you have to get it from australia!) and, from small independent papers.
marjo @ 33
emphasis mine
For me it was roughly five years ago. I gave up on newspapers and news magazines before that. The blogs that have developed and grown in the last few years is marvelous. FDL is as good as it gets! The way the better blogs interact and provide complimentary pieces of the news is something the MSM were never good at even in days gone by.
looseheadprop @ 72
Ruh Roh….
Waxman asks the $140,000 question!
link
scarecrow @
44
Via C&L, a story about Republican Westmoreland objecting to Al Gore’s visit with members on the House floor on grounds he is a “foreign agent.” Nancy Pelosi’s response:
Democrats called Westmoreland’s interpretation absurd. They said Gore works with Britain in an informal, unpaid role and is not a registered foreign agent with the Justice Department. [..] (A) spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Westmoreland’s complaint — quote — “shows just how ridiculous some Republicans in Congress have become.”
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We’ve had a week’s worth of news and it’s only Monday. Stock up on popcorn.
If Gore should be banned as an agent of Britain, Denny Hastert should also be banned as being an agent of Turkey.
*xyz @ 80
Ah, that’s good. Henry and staff have been doin’ their homework.
Wolcott weighs in.
i’m naming my next cat henry waxman if its a boy, henrietta if its a girl.
Jane – you hit the nail on the head. I used to be a news junkie. The first channel I would tune into when I turned on the TV was CNN. I always had NPR on the car radio. I devoured The New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe.
The past six years have absolutely turned me off the news – because it’s not news anymore, it’s propaganda and it insults my intelligence. In fact, I HAD to stop watching/listening because I spent more time yelling at the TV or radio than I did hearing or synthesizing information.
Now when I turn on the TV – I switch immediately to Turner Classic Movies. In the car, if I listen to NPR at all its to the local station with specific programming like “The Food Smooge” or book reviews, etc (Faith Middleton is great).
And I hold my nose and read the Saturday and Sunday New York Times – but often end up disgusted.
The situation makes me profoundly sad… and folks like Donald Graham just don’t get it.
The question is what is it that they are anticipating being asked that would incriminate her? That’s what I want to know.
Fineman on Tweety saying her lawyer Dowd is a big time power defense atty. That means major stuff.
looseheadprop @ 72
more on this in the Texas Observer:
link
squirrel hiller @ 83
I hope they both keep purring along.
looseheadprop @ 72
This story has been around, I think NPR has even run it. It is a sickening tale, but the tie to Abu is new. If true, this could really bring in a human interest angle (see Boston, Archdiocese of) that would give a more tangible (and sinister) face to Abu and KKKarl’s meddling. To overlook child predators is beyond political, it is inhuman. Needed: more corroboration of WH awareness of the case’s details.
It is time we asked the question:
Is there anything about the Bush administration that isn’t corrupt?
Eyes..#61
Love this quote!!
“This case demonstrates that a partisan political agenda, with Karl Rove in an orchestrating role, has penetrated the Justice Department and subverted fair-minded administration of the law,” Matt Angle, director of the Lone Star Project, told WND.”
*xyz @ 90
barney, maybe.
squirrel hiller @ 77
Likely taken from Harlan Ellison, who published columns on TV he wrote from 1968-1970 in a collection of essays called The Glass Teat in 1970.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 68
OH SNARK! That was goood!
I watched that clip. It made me feel dirty afterwards. And a little queasy.
looseheadprop @ 72
ditto. Jerome Corsi wrote that?
Huh.
Makes this kinda obsolete, eh?
link
1,466 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
“Good reporting is essential to the democratic process…” as is dialectical politics. American fascism has attacked journalism (”Liberal media…liberal media elites”) and politics (”There isn’t dimes worth of difference …politics has no place in______.”)as well as the judicial branch (”..activist,liberal judges…) for a long time. Make no mistake, the threat we face to our democracy is mortal and there is no compromise with the advocates of the “unitary executive” or the practitioners of federalized corporate power.
Let’s not go on any longer acting as though there can be any rational dialogue with the corporate fascists who have cultivated war and death in order to destroy the democracy that threatens their future profits. Let’s start calling for impeachments (plural) and special prosecutors…I think that a consolidated anti-fascist front behind the elected Democratic leadership can force resignations of the entire executive by the end of the year.
So let’s stop mincin’ words and recapture the political vocabulary…in order to create a successful mass political movement in this country we hafta clearly identify the enemy, let’s call ‘em what they are and that’s fascists, pure and simple.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM.
squirrel hiller @ 92
I disagree. Bush has said that he can count on Barney’s support for the Iraq war, no matter what.
Barney is dead to me.
squirrel hiller @ 92
barney’s pro-war. Fuck him too.
*xyz @ 90
A friend of mine is the editor of a college alum mag, and she is going to interview the pastery chef at the WH, being an alumni and all. I told her, no joke, you better not say anything untoward or even joking about Bush, Cheney, or politics in general. I guess the chef even had to get approval from some politico to give the magazine his favorite recipe. My bet, yes, they’ve corrupted the pastry chef.
puppethead @ 93
puppet sized hat tip to you!
*xyz @ 80
oh happy day!
bonkers @ 75
what he said.
ok. fill that pro war scottie with tainted dog food. (only kidding)
RevDeb @ 86: If that’s the John M. Dowd at Akin Gump Strauss et al, it is the same one who investigated Pete Rose and he’s a partner at Akin Gump…
For what it’s worth (there’s somethin’ happen’ here, what it is ain’t exactly clear… – thought I’d go ahead and get that out of the way) :})
greenwarrior @ 101
That’s it. I’m going out for more popcorn right now!!
It all began to go very wrong when news became solely about profit margins. Once ownership rules and the Fairness Doctrine changed to ostensibly allow more competition, it worked in the opposite direction. The economies of scale will always win out if there is no regulation.
And then it became about access because if you don’t have access and there’s only a handful of outlets, you don’t have a job.
So much for free market capitalism.
montag @ 82
He’s a machine.
And his counterpart in the Senate? Uh, Lieberman. Well, nobody wants to bring the troops home more than Joe.
Henry for President!!
*xyz @ 90
We certainly can ask even when we already know the answer.
*xyz @ 90
staplers? 3-hole-punchers?
I skimmed the Texas Observer article, but is it true that this abuse was not reported in the press, and that Gonzales, et. al. sent word to silence this investigation because it would disrupt G. Perry’s re-election? It’s one thing to fire prosecutors for poitical gains, but to allow the continual sexual abuse of children? Houston Chronicle has some stuff on it, but apparantly it is news to them too. Is this writer of the World net article legitimate? He does have links to memos form Justice, so it looks legitimate.
Waxman to Hayden Letter
Henry’s letter to Gen. Mike Hayden at the CIA requesting information related the Plame investigation and the Senate Report of the same:
for anyone with the stomach for it… joe lieberman is speaking from the senate floor on why the withdrawal timeline should be taken out of the supplemental appropriations bill.
c-span2
Jane Hamsher @ 107
Waxman’s the machine. Lieberman’s just a tool. :)
That article in the WorldNetDaily about Gonzales is written by Jerome Corsi. Does that name sound familiar to anyone here? Is it Jerome Corsi of Swiftboat fame? Hm……
Lieberliar moaning and lying about the Iraq war on the Senate floor right now.
“In my opinion [the Preznit] should veto it”
&^%$#@
(selise– outraged people think alike)
Waxman sent his letter to Hayden today.
zeppo @ 99.
…no bundts about it.
*xyz @ 89
Rhetorical question?
Tithonia @ 114
Jerome R. Corsi (born August 31, 1946) is an American author and conservative activist. Corsi received national media exposure as credited co-author (with John O’Neill), of Unfit for Command, a book that topped the New York Times bestseller list. The book, written in cooperation with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, criticized the conduct of John Kerry — at the time the Democratic candidate for president — as a naval officer during the Vietnam War and challenged the legitimacy of each of his combat medals. The book also criticized Kerry’s later efforts organizing opposition to that war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi
AZ Matt @ 112
Jane’s right. Waxman is a machine.
Monica Goodling is the one who just went on paid leave, right? I’m thinking she wasn’t willing to lie under oath for the team, and that’s what started all of this rolling. She’s in a precarious position, though. This Adminisration only has two kinds of people in it: Those who have very few scruples, and those who have none at all. She seems to be in the former group, which means she needs to cut a deal fast, before the Rove slime machine gets to her. She really can’t afford to wait for an immunity offer from Congress. She has to deal. Her lawyer needs to make a serious offer, or she’s could wind up being the next fall guy.
joe cites Nelson, Warner, McCain and himself as people who have tried to legislate “proper benchmarks”.
there you go, folks.
kemo @ 118
…no bundts about it.
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No kidding, they’re all obsessed with dough.
montag @ 124
D’oh!
Cozumel @ 119
You think that means they’re actively throwing him under the bus?
RevDeb @ 119
Rhetorical question?
Yes – It is a rhetorical question that I’d love to see Democrats asking repeatedly at every opportunity.
Especially on the talking-head shows.
I think the question frames the situation pretty well, if I do say so myself.
RevDeb @ 119
Rhetorical question?
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I know I keep harping about this, but I’m a big fan of the Federal Do Not Call list. Unless, of course, they sold it to the RNC.
Tithonia @ 114
do you have a linkylink to that story?
Jerome Corsi makes me stark raving foam at the mouth crazy.
I do Tithonia @ 125, ergo my 95 “huh.”
The call went out…
Tithonia @ 115
I wonder why the Swift Boat scourge is turning on Gonzales? Is it possible that Prince Pissy is too stubborn to get rid of his primary consigliere, so the kingmakers are working to get around Bush the Lesser’s stubbornness by destroying Abu Gonzales? Perhaps there’s a great fear of extreme damage to the GOP crime operation…
Tithonia @ 114
Yeppers.
Tithonia @ 126
Cozumel @ 119
Tithonia @ 114
That article in the WorldNetDaily about Gonzales is written by Jerome Corsi. Does that name sound familiar to anyone here?
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Jerome R. Corsi (born August 31, 1946) is an American author and conservative activist. Corsi received national media exposure as credited co-author (with John O’Neill), of Unfit for Command, a book that topped the New York Times bestseller list. The book, written in cooperation with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, criticized the conduct of John Kerry — at the time the Democratic candidate for president — as a naval officer during the Vietnam War and challenged the legitimacy of each of his combat medals. The book also criticized Kerry’s later efforts organizing opposition to that war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi
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You think that means they’re actively throwing him under the bus?
Swift Boating one of their own! LOL
World Net Daily is a right wing POS, and a Bill O fav ; ) Doh
So they are having Gonzales take the fall, as posted by emptywheel on her last Hurrah site. Interesting.
Rayne @ 106
We will have no decent news until news is taken out of the ‘profit and ratings’ sector and provided as a public service by the networks, who are using the airwaves that belong to the American public. That’s the only way.
puppethead @ 130
sorry for the zig, but, is Karl behind this campaign?
squirrel hiller @ 128
From above on this thread:
link
puppethead @ 131
It’s equally possible, given past performance, that Corsi is just demented, and has forgotten that Abu is Bush’s guy. After all, Abu is Hispanic, and Corsi may think of him as just another illegal immigrant Democrat….
New thread: TeddySanFran
They Just Don’t Get It
Goodling Press release, letters to Judiciary Committees
From the WaPo Site, Letter to the committees and the press release.
The erosion of media integrity was evident well before the Bush Neo-Con administration,
who themselves have pushed the bank of that erosion further than thought possible.
There are many strident examples of the media selling out to corporate and social agendas
that are dogmatically enforced. The Iraq war, and support for the Bush administration have
shown just how bad dogmatic enforcement of corporate, political and social agendas can be
for journalism, and for the common good.
Journalistic integrity took a back seat to corporate interests on many social issues long before
Bush and the Neo-cons came to power, they are just the flowering of that ‘ill fruit’.
Jane Hamsher @ 106
He’s a machine.
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With a fabulous staff if he is churning out all of these goodies. Let’s send major kudos to the staffers. They keep the machine humming.
As for JoeLIE, as someone above said, he’s a tool and an obsolete one at that.
I can understand why Rove would not want to testify under oath. I have read of other times when he had to ’splain himself & he couldn’t quite pull it off. The rest of the time he has been insulated from any kind of probes. That is why I want to see him under oath in front of the whole country. He’s not as clever & untouchable as “some say”.
Also, Jerome at World Net seems to have made a booboo. He has a link to a justice department document that lists the three victims, isn’t it illegal or at least unethical to publicly name minors in an investigation of sexual abuse?
Wolf Blitzed live with Sen. Dodd having a very blunt conversation on the entire mess including Cheney. Dodd prefers resolving issues to impeachment – “not there at all….not ruling it out…..” Looks like he has plenty of confidence they have the administration crooks and liars on the run.
What a week we’re off to! Woo hoo!
puppethead @ 130
Beware of shiny objects. If they succeed and make this all about Abu it takes the heat off Rover. The whole bunch o’ them need to be subpoenaed, then frog marched. The country is being run by the mafia, the Bush/Cheney mafia and they need to be taken down, the whole lot of them.
Just think. IF they were all taken down, imagine how long it is going to take to rebuild the entire infrastructure of the country that they have destroyed from the inside. I don’t think any of us can quite picture the enormity of it.
The posts regarding non-profit newspapers are, I think, dead-on. Another good example is Voice of San Diego, a fully-online publication. Those of you following TPM Muckraker’s coverage of the USA scandal may have seen a link to one of their stories on Lam’s investigation of Border Patrol agents. They’re doing some really good work, on both local and national subjects. I have a feeling we’ll be seeing more and more organizations like this as the print newsies keep axing their newsrooms. Those journalists will find somewhere to do their work.
It might be worthwhile to keep an eye on some of those who might get the axe who really deserve to get it. As new media crop up to replace the dinosaurs, let’s make sure the new media don’t get corrupted by the same cocktail weenie eaters we’ve been complaining about for years.
zeppo @ 35
You ignore the Communications Act. These corporate bimbos like redstone and murdoch are sitting on licensed spectrum essentially printing money by selling their product to trailer trash. 20 million viewers watch the so called anchored nightly “news” shows which consist of at most 18 minutes of “news”. What is needed is niche non licensed spectrum broadcasts on a subscription basis. The VHF spectrum on which we see Fox and CBS, etc offers no hope. Even FDL is following the cheap news model, cover a stationary event like a trial (like CNN did with OJ), cheap production costs. But who is covering Iraq where the production costs are much higher?
montag @ 138
Snarkorama. Either Corsi made an honest racist mistake, or Karl is holding the arms while Corsi holds Abu’s legs for the big heave ho. Here comes the 9:10 now!
I lived in a city once with a beautiful old (1800s) city hall. Developers reached a secret deal with the city to tear it down and build a shopping mall.
The newspaper kept it hush-hust because people rightly would have been angry.
A university paper published an article with marginal distribution.
The city hall was torn down and the mall eventually became an ugly eyesore to a failed downtown core.
The flagship store bankrupt. The gathering place which had historical significance gone.
How many people know or knew this? Not many I’m sure.
And yet their quality of life has suffered immensely due to shoddy journalism.
And we’re not even talking war and death in this case.
Journalism is a public trust. Language of course is ‘the word’ and ‘the word’ makes us different than rocks or ferrets.
The Boston Globe, recently purchased by the NYT, just announced new news room staff cuts. At least 24. I’m sure they needed more room for sports, Clear Channel-like pablum collated off the wire services by an intern in Beijing, and paid TimesSelect products. Perhaps Jeff Jacoby will be asked to manage the Editorial Page.
zeppo @
58
are you trying to tell us you’re straight? not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Fear I’m posting too late again and that the tides of FDL conversation are flowing elsewhere. Still, FWIW, my reaction to this excellent post by Jane is the same as my reaction to Hunter’s fabuloso screed: man, we’d better get the net neutrality bill passed ASAP. Before the corporate media, and the corporatists among the pols (viz HRC, DLC) join the telecom cartel in wanting to shut us down, for reasons of control as well as all that filthy lucre. Because the excellence, integrity and reach of our exemplars is just so much stronger,cleaner, freer than they can stomach.
All right, I admit it. I tend to be a little jumpy by nature (though I hate tin foil, never go that far).
Still, I do believe that letting an internet bill of rights drop into last place, at the bottom of the list of more “important” matters is not in our best interest. Reminds me of what the abolitionists said to the feminists….you know, ‘wait a minute, just a minute’… and then they were gone for what? 50 or 60 years.
They can’t contain us and they can’t control us. But the stronger we grow, the more of them are going to try.
RealWorld @
76
might need to ask Bobby Byrd. He’s the only one still around who might know how it was done in the old days.
*xyz @ 80
Oh, Henry. You’re on a hot scent! Go, Hank Go!
I canceled my subscription to The Washington Post in July 2004 because I realized I was getting nothing but propaganda. I grew up with newspapers, I love newspapers; but unless they clean up their act and start acting like “real” newspapers, I assume they will just be a part of history soon. It makes me sad.
*xyz @
90
or, as it has been asked before: is there anything this admninistration hasn’t fucked up?
dakine01 @
125
guess I’ll go upstairs now. sheesh.
waxman is one thorough dude
“Access journalism” is a polite word for it. In fact, they’re just kiss-asses who go see the big bosses who tell them what they’re supposed to tell us.
People joke about the media being the New Pravda. But a long time ago I was in the old Soviet Union, and people had such a cynical attitude toward the official newspapers that it was shocking for a young person from the West, like me. The idea that absolutely nothing printed could be believed.
People read the newspaper as if reading a code, to see how the political winds might be shifting by analyzing the subtext.
We are getting closer to this situation here than I could have foreseen in my wildest imagination. I used to take for granted that we had a free press.
Of everything that has happened since the Clinton impeachment, which is when the collapse of this democracy began to become apparent to me, the lack of credibility of the national, establishment press has been the most shocking.
We’re not yet at the point where they’ve lost all credibility–as Pravda had in the old USSR. But only because in the USSR the vast majority of the people really cared, they wanted to know what was happening in their country and the world.
Jerome Corsi’s the guy who, though he did much of the heavy lifting when it came to the SBVT oppo, had to be hidden away and disavowed when his rabidly anti-Catholic bigotry was revealed.
gmoke says:
March 26th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
“Boring” seems to be the consensus among those taking his class. (Kristol)
Just another white assed cracker without the brains god offered a peanut.
But more importantly he is the epitome of the banality of evil, men with no qualification, or expertise whose only qualification for anything is the change in their pockets.
They may have pedigreed educations, but when it comes to wisdom they are 0 for 3, and that says everything about the drift journalism today.
Jane, I hope that you are doing well. Interesting post. Being a libra, I would like to add a couple of on the other hands to your most interesting ideas. Have Karl Rove/Dick Cheney purposefully damaged some of our most beloved institutions? Family, church, MSM, work, education…so that we can be a third world country? We are fast becoming service industry /economy based. Or..if you saw Good Night and Good Luck…maybe Bushco is just more of same but dumb. If they hadn’t been incredibly stupid we would be in a world of trouble. Fascism does not work in the US.Maybe we just can’t fathom their level of ignorance.
Dan Rather gets it? He’s never even apologized for the phony Texas Air National Guard story….the one that got him fired.
Revenue and readership are down because people no longer want to read what they write. Part of that problem is people like Rather who killed their credibility and the credibility of the profession.
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Hi Jane,
I have to disagree with you. I do not think declining revenue is a bad thing for print media. Should they defy logic, and be rewarded by customers for inferior, in fact, bassackwards reporting?
Because that is how the market place works: offer a good product, get customers. Offer shit, people smell the stench, and take their business elsewhere. I only read newspapers when I am offered one on a plane, or waiting in a lobby. I wouldn’t give the Times a plug nickel to read their garbage.
YOU dear, are the new media. Like Jack Nicholson said in the film The Departed: “Act accordingly.”
I know you will. That’s why we are here.
Michael, WTF are you saying?
Rather didn’t apologize, because it was never proven, one way or the other that the National Guard story was phony.
I did view a video of Bush’s Alabama Wing Commander.
He stated quite clearly that Bush NEVER REPORTED for duty. He never showed up. He showed up never.
That he could not be mistaken. That he was “surprised” when Bush stated he had served in Alabama NG. The reporter interviewing him asked if maybe Bush was “somewhere in a building that he didn’t know about.” Reply: “Not possible.”
That is Desertion . Not AWOL. He was gone longer than the time period set for labeling it AWOL. He was a WARTIME deserter.
Now, supply your evidence that Rather reported a phony story, please.