
(Photo via Johnson Cameraface.)
Well, well, well…what do we have here:
Witnesses have told congressional investigators that the chief of the General Services Administration and a deputy in Karl Rove's political affairs office at the White House joined in a videoconference earlier this year with top GSA political appointees, who discussed ways to help Republican candidates.
With GSA Administrator Lurita Alexis Doan and up to 40 regional administrators on hand, J. Scott Jennings, the White House's deputy director of political affairs, gave a PowerPoint presentation on Jan. 26 of polling data about the 2006 elections.
When Jennings concluded his presentation to the GSA political appointees, Doan allegedly asked them how they could "help 'our candidates' in the next elections," according to a March 6 letter to Doan from Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Waxman said in the letter that one method suggested was using "targeted public events, such as the opening of federal facilities around the country."
On Wednesday, Doan is scheduled to appear before Waxman's committee to answer questions about the videoconference and other issues. The committee is investigating whether remarks made during the videoconference violated the Hatch Act, a federal law that restricts executive-branch employees from using their positions for political purposes. Those found in violation of the act do not face criminal penalties but can be removed from their jobs….
The committee's examination of the Jan. 26 videoconference could raise questions about the role of Jennings, the White House official who works for Rove.
Jennings's name has recently surfaced in investigations of the firing of eight U.S. attorneys around the country. He communicated with Justice Department officials concerning the appointment of Tim Griffin, a former Rove aide, as U.S. attorney in Little Rock, according to e-mails released this month. For that exchange, Jennings, although working at the White House, used an e-mail account registered to the Republican National Committee, where Griffin had worked as a political opposition researcher.
Jennings is a longtime political operative from Kentucky. He served as political director for Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in 2002 before joining the White House. (emphasis mine)
Let's take a step backward to last week when we talked about Rove's political shop and "the math," the Bush Administration's long-time history of doling out plum no-bid contracts to their political cronies (and making life miserable for the governmental watchdogs who call them into question), and the gutting of long-time civil servant positions to make room for a packed house of political hacks and the children of cronies?
And where, exactly, do you think Mr. Jennings got the idea to encourage civil servants in the Government Services Office to go out and open governmental buildings and scurry about doing any and everything they could to help "our candidates" in the upcoming election? Hmmmmm? Funny that he worked in Rove's political shop at the White House, isn't it?
And let's take a little time to think about all those questions about RNC and other outside e-mail usage — which would not, of course, be an attempt to end-run legal requirements to save any and all official correspondence for review out of the West Wing, now would it? (Let alone raising questions about national security issues from the use of outside servers.) Because the Presidential Records Act of 1978 says that these records are the property of the American public, not the Bush White House — whatever the acolytes of the unilateral executive may think about not having to answer to anyone, that is the law.
And this White House has already run into just these sorts of questions from Patrick Fitzgerald — remember this?
But the prosecutor added: "In an abundance of caution, we advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."
Sounds to me like there is a pattern of behavior and an intersection of tactics on this outside e-mail usage, the politicization of governmental agencies to further an electoral agenda, and Karl Rove's political shop at the White House that needs a whole lot more public scrutiny and sunshine. How about you? A good start will be on Wednesday, when the folks from this GSA mess will be required to testify before Rep. Waxman's committee. Don't know about you all, but I am sensing some pretty interesting questions. I know I'm asking a whole lot of them about Mr. Jennings and Mr. Rove this morning.
Here's to a whole lot of sunshine and disinfectant. Can't think of a group of people who need it more.
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Funny that he worked for Mitch McConnell as well.
christy, a great picture and an illuminating post
thank you much and it inspired a thought
I’ve been talking about impeaching abu torture
we have rove’s own testimony telling us he was involved in the Wilson leak
why can’t we impeach this idiot too?
REDD!
Nyah, nyah, nyah. Our congressman is better than yours!
I had the pleasure to meet Mr Waxman a couple of months ago, at an event organized by my wife at the 50th anniversary of our son’s elementary school, and he promised to do some oversight. I had been looking forward to what he had in mind — and what I’ve seen so far just blows me away. And — something tells me he’s just getting started.
Go Henry!
First? Wow, finally did it.
I think it was TiredFed who called the federal “minders” regulators yesterday. Anymore info about the people whose job it is to make sure all federal employees stay loyal to Bush?
This mornings posts are a real one-two kapow…I’m going off to write to Chris Matthews, I know colossal waste of time.
oversight not over reach…just awake here and that really pertains to SCARECROW’s post, too.
love you guys.
It is my birthday and the best thing I can have–aside from public wishes–is for the investigations to grow. Broder may think that this is overdone and portends problems for Dems, but the truth is that the only way to get to the bottom of all the GOOPER shit is to do subpoena-empowered investigations.
Remember Roves’ comment about “the math”??????
No one would want to directly give Rove subpoena power to conduct opposition research, or the power to bring prosecutions to shape the election process.
No one would want to directly give Rove the ability to direct substantial contracts to political friends.
So it looks like he is going through the back door.
peterboy @ 6
Happy Birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear peterboy, happy birthday to you!
We need to fix this and stop the war on terror meme. this from Zbig in WAPO op ed yesterday:
The culture of fear is like a genie that has been let out of its bottle. It acquires a life of its own — and can become demoralizing. America today is not the self-confident and determined nation that responded to Pearl Harbor; nor is it the America that heard from its leader, at another moment of crisis, the powerful words “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself”; nor is it the calm America that waged the Cold War with quiet persistence despite the knowledge that a real war could be initiated abruptly within minutes and prompt the death of 100 million Americans within just a few hours. We are now divided, uncertain and potentially very susceptible to panic in the event of another terrorist act in the United States itself.
That is the result of five years of almost continuous national brainwashing on the subject of terror, quite unlike the more muted reactions of several other nations (Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany, Japan, to mention just a few) that also have suffered painful terrorist acts. In his latest justification for his war in Iraq, President Bush even claims absurdly that he has to continue waging it lest al-Qaeda cross the Atlantic to launch a war of terror here in the United States.
Such fear-mongering, reinforced by security entrepreneurs, the mass media and the entertainment industry, generates its own momentum. The terror entrepreneurs, usually described as experts on terrorism, are necessarily engaged in competition to justify their existence. Hence their task is to convince the public that it faces new threats. That puts a premium on the presentation of credible scenarios of ever-more-horrifying acts of violence, sometimes even with blueprints for their implementation.
Sunshine, disinfectant, deodorizers, ammonia, bactericides, bleach, and a WHOLE LOTTA TESTIFYIN’!!
Great post Christy; really enjoyed scarecrow’s as well which was a very articulate (not shrill) discussion of why this all matters.
Greenwald really lambastes Matthews and Noron et al as horrific enablers of the Cabal. That idiot Broder has the audacity to whine that Dems shouldn’t investigate so much because the American people already can’t stand the GOP. Never mind that ourdemocracy is crumbling down around us. He desperately needs to retire. Hiatt apparently has another excretory load in the WaPo today.
The Beltway crowd is truly poisonous and it is up to us in the blogosphere to bring all the housecleaning equipment and firehoses we can muster to salvage our democracy from this filth.
For gods sake, will someone in Washington with a video camera go ask Domenici and Wilson questions about them contacting Iglesias? Put it on Youtube! We cannot expect our press to do this work. They are sorrowfully absent.
I have to say, I thought a Democratic congress would be a relief for a number of reasons – many of them what I’ll call positively negative, i.e., no more Terry Schiavo bills. And I thought there’s be some skepticism about Bushco policies.
I was looking forward to Congressional oversight, but even in my fevered imaginings I didn’t think so much would come oozing out of the rocks so soon.
I know schadenfreude is not the mark of a generous man, but I will take pleasure in W’s walk of shame out of office in January 2009, when he will have been proven to nearly everyone who doesn’t think Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to school, that he is a craven, corrupt incompetent who will live as proof of what damage a president can do to his country when he is all about power and not at all about policy.
It’s the 21 month wait that is going to be difficult, although I think Mr. Waxman is boosting popcorn sales among quite a few of us…
I hope KKKarl is as nervous as a cross eyed cat in a roomful of rocking chairs.
Scumbag.
From the annals of Wingnuttus Hypocritia:
1. A citizen’s library use, phone records, and emails can be investigated without her or his knowledge because the government would never abuse this power and if one has nothing to hide, she or he should not care who knows about their private communication and activity.
2. Testimony under oath for the purposes of Congressional oversight is an abuse of government power because innocent executive staff will have their testimony twisted to nefarious ends by Representatives and Senators.
Mmmmmmmmmm . . . . ooooh, mmmmmm, oh my . . . Wow, what is that? Cognitive dissonance? Holy cow that is delicious . . . mmmmmm
(edited for grammar)
Christy and Scarecrow are molten this morning!
Another must-read over at dailyKos is Hunter’s Post Mortem — as in Compost, NYTrash — and a solid piece on the venal and venial sins of the pundit/editorial class
Meanwhile the cable tabloid networks are busily reporting on Anna Nicole Smith. Yuck.
You gotta love this irony. After pissing on the US Constitution, BushCo expects Musharraf to abide by his own country’s constitution (the circumstances are also eerily similar, involving interference with the judiciary):
My bold. Musharraf must be laughing his head off. Bush has eroded the status of the US in the world.
Jennings=Rove=Jennings=Rove=Jennings=Rove
I think Rove is involved. Up to the top of his bald head!
Still time for a Rove “frogmarch”.
TRANSCRIPTS PLEASE!
Is it just me, or does it seem like a LOT of people are ratting out Team Rove?
Thad Beier @
4
Just getting started? In a way, yes.
Waxman was watching and noticing all of this, for years. I always had a mental picture of him doing a slow, steady boil over it, but I’ll give him props for patience. He only had to bide his time, until the Dems could be in charge again. Fortunately, we helped make that happen.
He’s waited a long, long time, and he’s being rewarded for his perserverance. And how.
carmen @ 5
Matthews is far more receptive than you might imagine. He has been ripping up the right wing radicals for quite some time.
He is the only mainstreamer that even whispered the Aipac trial delays on his program!
Scarecrow and Christy. Sunshine all day here at FDL. Excellent way to start the week. Go Waxman. Go Leahy.
Testimony Under Oath. Teh
newgood old bleach.Did Fitz ever ultimately get access to any of the RNC,Bush/Cheney ‘04 emails re: Plame?
peterboy @
6
Happy B’day. :)
I love birthdays. Actually, I love other people’s birthdays. I’m rather indifferent to my own. Go figure!
Hagel brings up impeachment. Thin ice? Or building a bridge?
Frank Probst @ 19
When surfing (especially when you’re learning!), there’s a tendency to almost catch the wave, but then ending up watching it pass by and waiting for the next one. I feel as if this is what’s going on within DOJ and elsewhere WRT the likely nefarious activities perpetrated by this Administration. As soon as some perhaps-yet-to-be-seen tipping point happens, we’ll see career government folks provide an avalanche of information and testimony on these secret dealings. I have to believe that it’s not a question any longer of “if” but “when.”
Roddy Pittman @ 24
and wasn’t there a “sealed vs sealed”?
what happened to sealed, I would think sealed would want to prosecute against said sealed by now
Former congresscritter and chief of staff for Bill Clinton, Leon Panetta, has invited Bill O’Reilly and James Carville as guests at his Panetta Institute in late Spring at the Monterey Conference Center.
Local Democrats are appalled. You can join us in emailing your disgust: http://www.info@PanettaInstitute.org.
Even the e-mails sent from non-WH domains should, if they were sent from inside the WH, leave traces on the WH servers. About the only way to avoid that is to have a dedicated line – which would most likely require security clearances just to install it physically, and there’d be phone company records also.
I seriously doubt you could have a wireless node around there without lots of people noticing it (and again, there are security considerations).
So, get the backups from the WH servers for as far back as they have them (and if there aren’t any, that’s another data point for investigators) and look for tracks of incoming and outgoing mail.
LJ/Aquaria @ 21: “Waxman was watching and noticing all of this, for years.”
I’ve long been impressed with the reports that came out of Mr. Waxman’s office. Been thinking for a while that he’s got a crackerjack staff. So I’m not surprised that he’s ready to go. I’m convinced he’s been doing his homework all along.
And no, he’s not my congressperson. Just one I admire.
perris @ 26
Sealed Vs. Sealed. Let the sunshine in!
The fucking GSA??
Waxman needs to send a query to the heads of all the agencies and see how/if they were contacted by Rove or anyone in his shop. This shit seems endemic.
Frank Probst @ 20
One wonders how many Republics have been waiting on a chance to get at Rover after the latter’s arm twisting (to understate) of the past 6 years.
There must be a few of them that would love to get a crack at him.
Roddy at 23 — The only folks who know that are the FBI investigators and the lawyers on Fitz’s team, as far as I know. It seemed pretty obvious that they knew there was something hinky going on with the e-mails, but no “off the books” e-mails were used as evidence during the Libby trial that I’m aware of — that, however, does not mean that they didn’t have some from Rove and others. (I’ve always suspected that’s where the e-mail to Hadley about Cooper came into play, among others.)
Celtic Music @ 31
right now he’s everyone’s congressman, he’s our founding father’s congressman, he’s the constitution’s congressman, he’s America’s congressman
AZ Matt @ 18
Actually, Rove is letting his hairs grow out — all 37 of them. It’s not long enough for a pony tail, but it’s definitely longer than it’s ever been.
Maybe he’s thinking that if he looks like a dirty hippy, we’ll pass the pachouli and forget all about this. Either that, or he wants to see them one last time, before they all fall out.
Tom at 32 — I know. I did a double-take reading the article this morning on the GSA myself. There is no aspect of the government so distant or so sacred that Rove will not insert a political tentacle and try and strangle it into submission. Jeebus.
P J Evans @
30
PJ, excellent comments, as per usual. IIRC, the GOP made a lot of Clinton exposing himself to foreign blackmail through unsecured communication with Monica. Seems to me the identical concerns apply here.
Speaking of sunshine, check this out for some nostalgia – Sunshine of Your Love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqh54rSzheg
Tom @
33
Per Christy above, seconded.
merci beaucoup.
LJ/Aquaria @
25
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
Hmmm. We never saw the actual Rove/Hadley e-mail, did we? Curious. Fitz has a habit of holding things back. There’s still two big ones out there:
1. Something weird happened right before the grand jury indicted Libby. They used some sort of procedural move that no one had ever seen used before. It immediately got lost in the hype of the Libby indictment, but I’m still not quite sure what happened there.
2. Sealed v Sealed. It may have nothing to do with the Plame case, or it may have everything to do with it. Either way, I can’t wait for it to become unsealed.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 38
When I read the Vanity Fair article this weekend concerning the Republican Party and its design along the lines of corporate America, the light bulb popped on above my head.
Bush and crew operate exactly like corporations of today. All aspects of the business exist to serve the higher ups. None in either camp will hesitate to use whatever is at their disposal to achieve their ends. It’s all there for the taking as far as they are concerned.
Peterboy, Happy Birthday.
Christy, Great post.
Waxman, thank you. Just…Thank You!
If I were being cynical, I might say that it is in the Dem’s best interest to do a full-fledged investigation on Rove. It can’t hurt to distract him from his evil doings. During the Plame investigation he was forced to spend most of his time with his lawyers rather than screwing the country.
Well its Anna Nichole 24/7 now that they have confirmed what we all suspected anyway. This all reminds me of an old Saturday Night Live skit. “Buckwheat’s been shot, lets see it again”.
I’ve been thinking lately, that impeachment may not be the best course. Don’t get me wrong. I love the idea of Pelosi ‘07. It would definitely stop Bush’s lawlessness and his harm to the nation. But everything that is happening now is bigger than just Bush. These attacks on our country and the Constitution are part of the far right’s desire for neverending control of the federal government.
If we stop the current administration’s actions without completely investigating them, all of the cockroaches will just scurry back to their holes until another rube comes along that they can take advantage of. Remember, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others got their start under Nixon. They’ve just been in hiding since the end of that administration.
Thoughts?
Solai @ 45
Which committe do you have in mind to investigate which potential crime? There are so many? The Congress is so compartmentalized that there would have to be joint committee hearings to investigate many at once.
on the subject of sunlight -
here is Sunlight Foundation, all kinds of handy widgets, research resources and tutorials
http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/
and this site, theirs, looks to be incredibly underutilized
Open Congress
imagine . . .actual citizens having actual imput on pending legistlation
Frank Probst @ 20
“Sunrise
Sunset
Since the beginning it hasn’t changed yet
People fly high begin to lose sight
You can’t see very clearly when you’re in flight
It’s high time that you found
The same people you misuse on your way up
You might meet up
On your way down “
Allen Toussaint
There’s a scathing op-ed up at the WaPo criticizing Gonzales and the Bush White House. Of course, it’s written by a radical unhinged left-wing columnist. Oops, my bad. It’s by…wait for it…Bob Novak:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00912.html
The last paragraph has the bombshell: No pardon for Libby, not even on his way out the door in 2009. Looks like Libby’s going to win the Katherine Harris Award!
JF @ 48
I tend to agree with you. However I dont relish the idea of death by a thousand cuts for this administration either. As I witnessed what the Republicans did over the last six years, I dont think I want the Democrats to have absolute power either. I do realize that I shouldn’t make the dems accountable for republicans sins but it is just too important at this point to have some checks and balances on both sides. Big business needs to be kicked out of congress and the whitehouse. If the Dems get what the republicans had in the past 6 years then they will be lining up at the trough just like the criminals in the republican party do. I would rather see the republicans reclaim their party from the religious zealots by imposing their will upon the Bush administration and remove them from office.
Ann in AZ @ 48
I’m quite happy having Congress spend the next two years documenting the atrocities while Bush sits around vetoing Iraq funding bills.
Steambomb @ 47
They’ve confirmed that she was a gold-digging bimbo whose celebrity was a totally artificial achieved status? Wow. You’d think they’d stop covering her now.
JF @ 47
There would not be enough Senators (67) to actually vote for impeachment anyway. There may, however, be enough disgusted with Gonzo to vote for his impeachment. I think they should start there and move onward and upward. If you can’t cut off the snakes head, but you start with the tail and steadily move upward, it’ll be dead before you get to the head. Besides, we have less than two years. Congress can’t get to them all in such a short time.
carmen @ 5
yup. the Executive Order EO Press Release
Question for Christy…
Is using U.S. civil servants for political purposes a crime?
got cut off (?)
Exec. Order requires all regs to be prescreened by political appointee before they can be included in the Agency’s regulations plan.
Ralph @ 58
It’s against the Hatch Act:
http://www.osc.gov/ha_fed.htm
Tom @
33
Do bear in mind that Eric Safavian, a Rove/Abramoff crony, is now making license plates at Club Fed for his crimes committed while he ran the GSA under Bush/Rove.
Tom @
60
Yupper!
How do we get Waxman additional assistance? Every stone he turns over reveals another thousand worms. How can we get him help? More staff? Staff from other dem reps?
Frank at 52 — I saw that this morning. As Novak tends to be the aggregate source for internal Beltway bitchfest information, it was quite the anti-Bushie screed. For those who haven’t seen it, here’s the link. Take it with a big grain of salt — it is, after all, Novak — but the disgusted feel that you get from him in the read is beyond palpable. Looks like the GOP is afraid that the Bushies are wrecking their party. Of course, no taking any responsibility for handing him the keg and the tap to be able to get the party started in the first place, I’d note.
oh, and good mornin’ Miss Christy. any homework assignments for us today?
Phoenix Woman @ 60
Guess that proves they never learn, do they?
P J Evans @ 30
Phone records? Would this administration or its DoJ care about phone records?!?!?!?
Also, Wayne Madsen
offered this about elusive emails from the WH (she said, taking a big grain of salt for bringing Madsen into the discussion…)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 38: “There is no aspect of the government so district or so sacred that Rove will not insert a political tentacle…”
No aspect of government is sacred to Rove. Indeed, the government itself isn’t sacred. It’s his pal Norquist who wants to watch it eddy down the bathtub drain. (Can “eddy” be a verb?)
As for distant, I can well imagine the most simple of org charts on his desk. The “permanent majority” fixers at the top, then one, long horizontal row of boxes of every government agency, office, etc. With arrows from the top box to all of them.
Of course, their tactics to affect all these agencies and offices are probably knotty enough that they can’t be easily charted. Using Phoenix Woman’s knitting analogy from yesterday, the only way you pull the Rove loose end and unravel a whole lot of sweater is if it’s a simple sweater, knit up in one yarn. Or, multiple colors, but in big blocks. These guys have executed an intricate Fair Isle or intarsia pattern, I fear. Find a loose end, tug, and you only get so far.
Ralph at 58 — It can be, under the Hatch Act, something that can be cause for removal from office. As for criminal charges, I think some of the former federal prosecutors in the audience who have worked public corruption cases might have a better up-to-date explanation on that — but I’d say if you could show a pattern of behavior tha raised questions along the briberty and influence peddling line, then absolutely.
OT but FYI
Service Members Legal Defense Fund lobby day is today.
Monday March 26: Leadership Track and Ground Forces
Training Breakfast: 8-9 am, Rayburn B399-340
Lobbying: 9am – 12pm, Capitol Hill
12-3 pm: Lunch on your own and time to visit your own Representative and Senators
Rally: 3-4pm, Capitol West Front Grassy Area
I just now got this information. So if anyone is in DC and would like to make it down to the Capitol between 3 and 4 here ya go. I’d was going to go but we’re really busy.
BTW, I’ve been hearing about Glenn Greenwald having something up I wanted to see, but there has been no link, just a lot of references. Was it on TV and if so, will it be on again, and what channel? What show? Otherwise, can anyone steer me to a link?
LJ/Aquaria @ 21
I was somewhat amazed at what Congressman Waxman was able to do without subpeona power and I think I actually commented on that in a blog a while back. He evidently wasn’t idle while in the minority. Mr. Waxman is a credit to our nation.
Rove, regardless of what the “talking deads” try to tell you is on the minds of the anti-Bush elements in the ongong power shift which is the DOJ scandals – “scandalS” – is merely a means to an end. The end is to discredit this failed philosophy of governance “of the Corporations, By the Corporations, for the corporations.”
Step one is to isolate the enemy – Our Benighted Emperor and Rove-sputin, the mad corporate monk.
Oops, I meant “distinct” at 68…not “district.” That’s what happens when I have several comments in mind at the same time. Sorry to misquote you, Christy.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 64
In case you missed it check out this gem from Late Edition on Sunday…
DIGENOVA: Listen, anything you can do to avoid a constitutional crisis. The thing that supports Lanny’s position is, here you have the attorney general and Paul McNulty, the deputy, giving inaccurate, incomplete, inconsistent, incomprehensible answers as to why these people were fired. Under those circumstances, the Democrats’ questions are perfectly logical.
Now, there’s also a little Kabuki theater here on the part of the Democrats. They want to pounce. They have subpoena power. And they’re going to take advantage of a situation. But the truth is, when you have the type of incompetent performance by an attorney general, which this administration has had to suffer through over the last month, this is what happens.
This is what happens when you don’t have adults in cabinet positions and when you have a deputy attorney general who makes absolutely inaccurate statements before a congressional committee. I mean this requires oversight. Absolutely, but it doesn’t require a constitutional confrontation.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..le.01.html
Christy Hardin Smith @ 63
I thought the “No pardon for Libby” part was interesting. Why would they leak that? Is Karl telling Scooter it’s time to flip on the Shooter?
It amazes me that with all of the nefarious shit with Karls name on it and no. subpoena. anywhere.
Frank Probst @ 76
I, too, thought that was interesting. I don’t see what’s in it for them (Karl,et. al.)
Ann at 71 — Scarecrow had two Glenn links in an update to his earlier post. Not sure if those are the ones you are talking about, though…
Ann in AZ @ 71
this might be it: Glenn Greenwald
I’m paraphrasing badly a great quote from LONESOME DOVE, when Jake complains to Guss and Call that he was “trying to get away,” from the murderers he had fallen in with. Gus responded that he had “taken his leavin’ a little too leisurely.”
I see no evidence that the majority of the GOP is interested in anything beyond their own pocketbooks. If they had half a collective brain, they would be pressing to impeach and convict Bush in order to install a candidate for 08 or at least inoculate themselves from their two-term disaster.
The only reason I can think of that the GOP (except for Hagel who isn’t getting a lot of support) is holding off is because they are hoping for another 9/11 that they think will partially vindicate their
Occupation of IraqWar in Error. Given the plurality that already exists within the Democratic party, Lieberman and Tauscher for example, I see no problem with the Democrats controlling both branches after 2008.Ann in AZ–
There’s been talk about Glenn’s piece, “The most revealing three-minute You Tube clip ever” that talks about the media’s inability to discuss the realities in all this.
Definitely worth the read.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 68
That’s great, but who’s responsible for enforcement? Doesn’t that raise even more questions, if enforcement is complicit in the crime?
Crooks and Liars links to a great post at http://words-of-power.blogspot…..purge.html
It puts the DOJ Scandals in perspective with the broader agenda and in some more ignominious company. Good reading!
Steambomb @
72
I have been thinking about how good an administrator our next pres will have to be to deal with the pervasive rot. Henry for pres? He’s not as cute as some, but he seems to be able to manage on a grand scale. And he’s nobody’s fool.
Ann in AZ at 83 — Which is why Jane and I keep jumping up and down and screaming “Alice Fisher” as frequently as we can. Heavens, someone in Congress needs to ask some questions about the fox and the henhouse co-existing at the moment in the public corruption unit at the DoJ.
I am mystified at the ‘threat of a constitutional crisis’. How come they weren’t saying that when the Supremes installed W?
Frank Probst @ 41
And Fitz offered all material used in the case to congress.
Leahy made some relieving remarks on Olbermann a few nights ago. He is an ex-prosecutor and stated he always has other witnesses in the que.
Remember, there are 93 USAttorney’s whose credibility, resume’s, honor, professionalism, etc. have just come under question. “Oh! Are you one of those young political hacks the Bush administration let into the system? Well, we have other, more qualified candidates for this job. Have a nice day. And, good luck.”
Bustednuckles @ 77
Well said, what is under very serious attack is the credibility of the prosecutorial arm of the Federal Judicial branch. It’s very hard to overestimate the importance of the issue.
Coz @ 75 giving inaccurate, incomplete, inconsistent, incomprehensible answers…
Incomprehensible might be my second favorite word. The thing can never be understood by anyone—strong stuff.
Ahead of the curve and leading the way. Thank CHS.
Beyond applying the disinfectent of sushine on the political operation run out of the White House, CHS may have found the chink in the armor of executive privilege.
Where the activities conducted in the White House are about election strategy and not the governance of the country and foriegn policy or national security, the wall of privilege may be at its thinest.
An aspect most of us don’t know much about is the Indian Trust Fraud. It’s a long story, but it involves royalties for resource extraction from Indian lands, which royalties are held in trust by Indian Affairs (sub of Interior). DIA is supposed to keep track of the royalties collectable and distribute them. There have been decades of problems with this, and there is now an amalgamated lawsuit Cobell vs Kempthorpe (Sec’y of Interior). Possible amt owing to Indians jointly and severally, with penalties and interest could be over ONE TRILLION dollars. Even Alberto G said 200 BILLION. DOJ is recommending a $7 billion settlement, plus future restrictions/quitclaim. MB Edwards at Wampum has been tracking this. Oh, Griles is *huge* in this one.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 85
Thank you, I agree totally! It seems to be something that has percolated and now permeates everything at the DOJ. That’s why I give a lot of credence to the need for some serious housekeeping at DOJ, and if the dismissal of USAs gets everyone’s attention, then so be it. But it’s only the tip of the iceberg.
And thanks to several of you who provided the links I asked for. I think it was the knockdown of Noron and Matthews that I wanted to see, IIRC.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
Just a WAG but what will get them in relation to the Hatch Act won’t be the actual violations but the cover-ups. At this point in time someone ought to start looking for a restraining order against any shredding by the executive branch.
From Zbigniew Brzezinski’s WaPO article:
“Such fear-mongering, reinforced by security entrepreneurs, the mass media and the entertainment industry, generates its own momentum. The terror entrepreneurs, usually described as experts on terrorism, are necessarily engaged in competition to justify their existence. Hence their task is to convince the public that it faces new threats. That puts a premium on the presentation of credible scenarios of ever-more-horrifying acts of violence, sometimes even with blueprints for their implementation.”
The question that should have been asked and now must be asked is: cui bono. Who profits either in power or monetarily or both by using, by now well established, techniques of mass manipulation and exploitation.
HotFlash re Indian Trust fraud—That money is GONE. There’s no giant pot of money sitting somewhere waiting to be distributed to the tribes.
Kathleen @ 19
Congress wants to do oversight. I think they’ll settle for transcripts and testimony in a closed hearing. I don’t know whether Leahy or Waxman will give on the oath part though. We may get stuck there. I hope not.
Honest people have no fear testifying under oath.
sung to the tune of the 70’s Union Label jingle :)
Look for the Rovian Label,
While you are watching your country decline.
Remember somewhere his minions sowing,
And pundits toeing, the WH line.
He works hard, but who’s complaining?
with so many departments to bend his way.
So always look for the Rovian label,
The Math is deadly to the U-S-A !
peterboy @
10
Zbig was on Bill Maher last Friday night. If his advice was followed in the Iraq invasion (no one believes Iraq was a front on the war on terror, right?) it would have been over and done, and the war in Afghanistan would have been completed as well.
As it is, America is losing both wars. A Superpower needs intelligent leadership or it will collapse (see USSR).
Waxman needs to hold hearing into why America lost both wars. Although I am a Canuck, I might have a clue:
You administration is acting like the administrators of General Motors & Ford. They waste Billions, implement idiotic plans, find themselves with heavy losses and blame others for the debacle. Then they are given multi- million severance packages and Congressional medals of honor.
When shareholders & the American public imprison executives for gross incompetence, America will have better leadership, in government and business.
So how do we go about influencing the FBI to send out somethin akin to one of those 140,000 “security” letters, that would force Yahoo, or yawhoever, to cough up Rove and company’s clandestine emails?
As we all know, nothing that’s on the net is ever really “deleted” (except for the Gabbly chats, thank goodness!;)
If they can spy on me for participating in peace protests BEFORE the war, and can get my personal emails from MY provider, then they should most certainly be able to demand as much from Rove’s provider(s).
Using the Google on Alice Fisher yields this nugget:
I loves me some sunshine!
“And let’s take a little time to think about all those questions about RNC and other outside e-mail usage — which would not, of course, be an attempt to end-run legal requirements to save any and all official correspondence for review out of the West Wing, now would it? “
I think you guys are starting to uncover something very, very HUGE. I now belive there might be a whole back-channel of emails floating around….possibly even touching upon items in the Fitz investigation, and even before. I DOUBT that these folks just starting using yahoo et al accounts in the Winter of 2006. There’s a bunch of snakes underneath them rocks!
Ghostman
RealWorld @ 94
Or nicking of hard-drives!
Thad Beier @
4
You are oh so right! Unfortunately, I have the misfortune of being “represented” by the underwhelming Lamar Smith, R-Idiotsville
Hi All,
I’m a longtime lurker swimming into the Lake for the first time. First off, I want to say how much I admire the great work Christy, Jane, Marcy and all of the FDLers. Keep it up!
There was something that struck me as very odd during Libby’s GJ testimony. At one point Fitz said something to effect of “you aren’t very big on e-mail, are you”, to which Libby replied something like “ummm, ahhh… not in my current job. I was in former job, but not in my current job”. Why wouldn’t a Very Busy Man with a Very Important Job use one of the most efficient means of comminication available?
Also, if Fitz knew that White House officials were using non-official e-mail accounts to conduct official White House buisiness (which is illegal), wouldn’t he be obligated to disclose/report it?
Kathleen @ 88
Fitzgerald offered the evidence produced at trial. He could also offer evidence that did not come through the Grand Jury process. The Grand Jury stuff not used at trial would I believe still be off the table.
newspaperbrat @ 29
What is the topic of their talk? panel? Beside O’Reilly’s extremism, what is the issue appalling the local dems? he guy is on TV everynight and on the radio everyday, doesn’t a tet-a-tet give Leon a chance to talk sense and let O’Reilly look foolish by comparision?
Since Waxman is featuring prominently in this thread, is there any news as to the status of Condi’s response to his demand that she respond to his questions about what and when she knew about the Niger forgeries? The deadline was March 23. Would you like that tea with a subpoena, Ms Rice?
Slightly off-thread, but there’s a lot of news about advertising revenues dropping for the Dead Tree publications, their only bright spot is that their internet revenues are rising precipitously.
Seems to be reliable evidence that while the public is willing to read a season of lies like we did during this last election cycle, but they aren’t willing to advertise on the same pages as those lies.
That would be a great name for our political cycles, call it “Season of Lies.” Like a bad winter storm, or more rain after a bad flood, this “season” falls upon us with unyielding regularity.
Waxman was on the right track a couple of weeks ago during the Plame hearing when he questioned those two dudes about WH security. They need to investigate security breaches in the WH. They need to find out if Kaarl is using an outside e-mail server. That is their job. Abd Josh Bolten is supposed to tell Waxman what steps they are taking to address WH security, right? Let’s get to the bottom of that. In fact, that single step will expose what Karl is doing quite vivdly.
Off topic food warning: Stay away from the Pringles Select Szechuan Barbecue rice cakes if you know what’s good for you. They are more addicting than crack. This is not a product endorsement. If you see them in the snack aisle, run away as fast as you can.
Welcome Stormy!
Hope to hear from you often.
Hehehe.. shouldn’t Abramoff & co have to pay restitution?
egregious @
97
Christy Hardin Smith @
38
Christy, if memory serves me, didn’t Savafian come to the WH from GSA? Truly a tangled web with all threads leading to the WH political office.
Can’t put them down…
on March 14th, Henry’s sponsored repeal of this passed the House, it is now on it’s way to the Senate
Exec Order 13233
Neil @ 108
I don’t think responsible dems should ever dignify the swamp that is Foxnews by inviting its lead agent provocateur as a panalist at our events
Break out the Windex!!
Puesto at # 88 says:
This statement reminded me of something I heard a few days ago: that it is the AG that has the responsibility to ask for the resignations of members in his office. The President only has power to nominate their replacements. (I am paraphrasing)
That would make sense but it contradicts almost everything else I heard. My question is, does anyone know if that’s true?
And one more factor relating to my previous post, as these normal advertising revenues drop for the Dead Tree publications, they become more and more dependant on political advertising to survive, so they are not likely to help the public in its discover and discourse to rein in these increasingly outrageous sums.
Wealthy candidates, which certainly includes most Republicans and many fewer Democrats, aren’t just buying advertising any more, they buy those ads to assure editorial support and the subtle, sneaky subterfuge that goes with it.
GSA shenanigans: I live in Mike Ferguson’s district in NJ in a town that, up to last year, had a very large GSA National Stockpile facility. Last year, the government turned the facility over to my township (run Oh so conveeeeeniently by Republicans). And the committee sold it for pennies to a long distance trucking firm so they could use it as a depot. Traffic patterns are not great here either so not only did the trucking firm get a sweet deal on taxes, they are going to snarl traffic even more than it already is. THEN, there were letters to the editor in the local paper commending Fergusn for doing such a great job cleaning up the messes at the depot sites. Mercury was mentioned prominently.
I don’t know what Mike did or didn’t do but I wonder if Democratic congresspeople with similarly contaminated sites got quick action on getting the their sites cleaned up. The letters to the editor no doubt helped get Mike elected althought the vote as close and Stender nearly pulled an upset. My district was the ONLY one in NJ where there was a real possibility of a Democratic gain.
So, I would hope someone looks into it.
Neil @ 115
Ack!, You too? What about the other flavors? No, No! don’t tell me. I’ll be selling my body for them before you know it.
egregious @ 97
This hs been going on for a long time. They never did proper accounting for the royalties due to the various nations (oil, gas, mining), and the ‘trust funds’ were, I suspect, treated as piggy banks by the administrators (which was probably part of the reason for the poor accounting practices).
New thRedd — Bad Faith
Blub @ 117
Bill Clinton took it right at Chris Wallace and won the day. He used the words “hit job” etc. I believe Clinton knew it was coming, how could he not know if he ever watched Fox news? These head on approach has a neutralizing effective when the Dems are equipped to be effective.
The unfairness and extremism employed by O’Reilly, Coulter and Limbaugh doesn’t stand up well in the context of a conversation about a serious topic. It only does well in the vacuum of its own sheltered stage.
The concern about giving these people a stage is overwrought. O’Reilly has one of the biggest stages all ready.
No, I saw bring him on and have at him. If it goes well, put it on YouTube so the people can see it for what it is.
Did you see O’Reilly on Letterman? “I have a sense that 60% of what comes out of your mouth is crap.” O‘Reilly took it well but there were few watching we didn’t agree. It was an effective slap down. The non-partisan talk show host who, like us, is just trying to understand what is going on pummeled the know-it-all right wing b*llshit artist. Next.
Neil @ 97
I think Leahy may proceed without the testimony of Rove and Miers, and accumulate a body of evidence so strong that they can proceed directly to impeachment of both Gonzo and Rove. I believe Leahy said something the other day about, of course most people would want their people out testifying first because the last person in line may take all the flack (grossly paraphrased, but I think that was the gist of it.) How does that scenario work for us? Could it be a shortcut?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 64
Keg and tap? How about keg and fuse, as in hoisted by their own petard!?
dakine01 @ 114
whether an octopus or an arachnid, this “oc-cult” White House seems to have at least eight legs…
I saw a “faith-based” cartoon once, wish I had kept a copy and haven’t been able to find it since, that showed the WH reaching out as an octopus with eight legs going to eight identifiable entities that received faith-based moneys.
Scientologist, Moonies, Krsnas, Evangelicals, Black Baptists, Opus Dei, I don’t remember all the “guilty parties”, but each of them represented one of those tentacles of Constitutional transgression. And Rove was in the middle of it all, telling David Kuo “just give me a f—king faith-based thing.”
Now, looking at how those WH tentacles reach into EVERY nook and corner and cranny of our entire system of government, it seems more like some profane hybrid creature, the marriage of an octopus and a centipede, with a thousand profane tentacles, slithering perniciously into all the places we once considered sacred.
JEP @ 128
Who raised Cthulhu from the depths?
Wasn’t that back in 1983, somewhere in Philadelphia?
Ann in AZ – I am far from an expert, just another opinionated AH, BUT it seems to me an Emperor in the United States can delegate anything.
However, your question brings to mind a process while trying to answer it which makes this point very interesting. For example:
Who did he delegate the authority to?
How was this done – orally, or in writing?
If so, what were the criteria used for the “delegatee” to carry out this agenda? eg; “You are hereby delegated the authority to fire attorney’s who _____________ . [Fill in the blank]
As Trent Lott said in 1998 regarding another President taking executive privilege: “It seems they are hiding something.”
Once I learned that Leahy was a prosecutor for 8 years (I believe that is the number) I became much more comfortable with him as one of the helms-persons on this.
Ann in AZ @ 119
P J Evans @ 129
Is that pronounced “Karlooloo”?
Christy, does Congress have the right to supoena service providers like Yahoo and HotMail for their records?
In case you don’t know yet:
kos link
Knut Wicksell @ 109
Who came up with those Niger Documents? Micheal Ledeen, Rhode, Doulglas Feith. The death of Sismi military intelligence official Nicolo Calipari was no accident.
When will we see Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence be completed? ( Senator Pat Roberts did his very best to delay and divert the completion of Phase II) Senator Rockerfeller we are watching and waiting!
When will we witness those responsible for the WMD INTELLIGENCE SNOWJOB held accountable? This is the very least that congress can do for those who have needlessly lost their lives in a ‘war of choice”
Hopefully the Democrats do not need lies about BLOW JOBS like the Republican controlled congress to pay attention and to do their jobs. CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT
DE-ESCALATE
INVESTIGATE
OR LOSE IN 2008!
LS @ 134
THANK you!
Why is there a political affairs office at the White House? I ask myself this every once in a while.
Their official tagline is: “The Office of Political Affairs ensures that the executive branch and the President are aware of the concerns of the American citizen.” Of course stories like this one, and below, describe a push, not a pull of information.
http://dreckless.blogspot.com/…..tical.html
Morning All! Fantastic discussion. I learn so much from all of you.
RE Ann in AZ “I think Leahy may proceed without the testimony of Rove and Miers, and accumulate a body of evidence so strong that they can proceed directly to impeachment of both Gonzo and Rove. I believe Leahy said something the other day about, of course most people would want their people out testifying first because the last person in line may take all the flack (grossly paraphrased, but I think that was the gist of it.) How does that scenario work for us? Could it be a shortcut?”
I’m not sure it is a short cut more like an end around.
If Leahy can get the goods on Rove and Miers without the help of the White House that makes Bush et al look far worse than if they came clean.
Of course this is just another little game of obstruct until 2008. It is the game they are planning to play everywhere….even Iraq. Then they aren’t held accountable..
LS @ 134
GO HENRY!!!
JF @
48
Sibel Edmonds! Sibel Edmonds! Sibel Edmonds!
Her testimony could bring them all down for good!
Kevster @ 11
Kind of sounds like spring cleaning at a revivalist church, doesn’t it. Can I get a HALLELUJAH?
Mussolini…recall who he was? He described his Fascist government as ” the corporate state”, as in: all serve the top chief,and there is only one top chief.
BTW, everyone sort of knows what Fascism is, but do you understand the meaning of “fasces”, from which “Fascism” was deliberately coined by Mussolini to name his political party? A good dictionary merely offers that fasces was a bundle of rods wrapped around an axe, but doesn’t explain what that represented.
dakine01 @ 105
You think you’ve got it bad. I’ve got John Sullivan R-OK AND James Inhoff and Tom Coburn.
What I want to know is, what explains the failure of the mainstream media to cover the purge scandal for so long, and so many other scandals? Do you think somebody just set up newspaper editors to cheat on their wives, and threatened to tell if the editors wouldn’t play ball when they come back some day and ask for something?
It wouldn’t be that hard to do, when you think about it. People wouldn’t talk about it.
Kathleen @
22
Take a look at the clip that’s up @ Crooks & Liars re Matthews et al. laughing about how this is all just a tempest in a teapot. (Linked in Glenn Greenwald’s excellent dissection of this crap.)
Matthews can occasionally rip into a wingnut, but he’s so slavishly eager to please that if he thinks the toads at his teaparty want to poke fun at investigative journalism, he’ll lean that way too.
“On Wednesday, Doan is scheduled to appear before Waxman’s committee to answer questions about the videoconference and other issues.”
Is this going to be broadcast live on cspan?
Or is the party at the webcast:
http://www.oversight.house.gov/
Thad Beier @
4
And you would be right:
Nananananananana Nananananananana WAX MAN!
Swan @ 144
Hey, it worked for J. Edgar Hoover and he didn’t have access to all the information Karl has access to with the warrantless wiretapping!
Phoenix Woman @
147
Ack! I now have an imaage of Henry Waxman in shorts and a cape. Thanks for that.
is there no institution that bushco hasn’t ruined? they’re shameless.
here’s a list of various government agencies mired in scandal so far:
defense
justice
veterans
interior
corp for public broadcasting
GSA
EPA
and now the SMITHSONIAN.
the smithsonians board structure doesn’t just deserve change but is screaming for it.
Swan @
144
See my post @ 145, and go directly to Glenn Greenwald’s analysis and the clip of Matthews, Gloria Borger et al. yukking it up over how this isn’t important.
‘Cause “they” don’t think so, that’s why.
My, my @ 146
Checking personal calendar for Wednesday: clean dog poop in backyard, read FDL, write nasty letters. Hmm, an opening. I think I can make it to Henry’s party!!
Happy Birthday, peterboy.
It might make your day even brighter if you read the latest post on JohnConyers.com with a posters extensive information on compelling bushco to honor subpeonas with links to articles by John Dean.
Look up Senate Sergeant-at-Arms in Wiki – he has the right to arrest the President at the behest of the Senate.
HotFlash @ 85
If only Americas vanity could fade long enough to allow us a cosmetically challenged president. Who was the last homely president? Carter? Johnson? I think Waxman would make a great president. Sadly I doubt he could be elected in the recent future (50 years). The media has turned America into a very frivolous nation.
Steambomb at #154 says:
You think Carter was homely? WTF? He’s not homely! I don’t think he’s a sex symbol, but homely! NOOOooo!
Little darlin, it’s been a long cold lonely winter
Little darlin, it seems like years since it’s been clear
It makes me feel as good as his song does!
Goodling’s invoking the 5th! see Wolfie on cnn
Monica Goodling, senior counsel to Abu Gonzales, liason to WH
Frank Probst @
76
Ding ding ding ding! You win!
Apparently the heat is getting a bit much for Karl, so he’d like to redirect it to someone else who is overweight, bald and arrogant — VP Cheney.
chuteh @
142
It represents the ancient Roman Empire and is also the basis for ‘e pluribus unum’, ‘out of many, one’. In a Fascistic state it doesn’t necessarily refer to the many individuals of the public. It refers to the many rods of the Rich the Corporate the Politically Connected, sort of like the members of a Mafia family bonding together to make one unbreakable weapon.
To Christy….
Re my email of yesterday…I figured out the answer based on todays articles…thanks much.
Will be sending letters/emails to my local people to get them to move….they will!!
We will take it all back yet…one way or another.
Moesie