
("Mad as a Wet Cat", starring Winston from Fourfour.)
Hoooo, lordy. Ann Althouse may need to talk to her doctor about the strength of her hormone replacement patches. She just about took poor Garance Franke-Ruta's head off in this bloggingheads-tv interview. Franke-Ruta is just trying to conduct a normal conversation about blogging, but Anodyne Outhouse apparently came to this interview with a rather large, heavy ax to grind. In fact, watching her display of histrionics, one gets the sense that she may have sat up all night getting ready for her close-up.
Ann Althouse to Garance Franke-Ruta: I know you know some of the people (among liberal bloggers) who are especially nasty to me, so why don't you ask them why they treat me so badly and come back and tell me what the problem is? I mean, not MY problem, what's their problem?
Yes, it's our problem because Princess Ann farts gold dust and shits diamonds, doncha know. We couldn't possibly object to her because she's a suck-up to a bunch of genocidal morons (and their wives) or because her shitty writing hurts like a bad hangover. No, it's because we're bad people, not at all like the warm, kind, inclusive people she's met on the Right who have made her feel soooo welcome.
But right after that is when things go batshit crazy in Annieland:
Garance Franke-Ruta: Well, I think, I don't know, I'm not aware of anything until the whole Jessica Valenti Breast Controversy…um, I know that there were some grudges and hostilities that came out of that. But that's the blogosphere, it's a tough place. Apparently, it's an extremely tough place. And one of the best things that I-
Althouse: Oh, I'm not complaining about the fact that I have to be tough and fight back, because I will. I will stand my ground and I will not accept your…
Franke-Ruta: Well, I, uh…
Althouse: WAIT A MINUTE! WAIT A MINUTE! I don't accept your saying (sneers), "The Jessica Valenti BREAST Controversy". I consider that an insult! I, I, you know, I'm on the verge of hanging up with you for, for, for bringing it up that way! I think it's NASTY and CHARACTER ASSASSINATING to talk about it like that. There's a whole controversy that could be explained if it was one of our subjects that could be explained in a way that would make sense to people, but you just THROW OUT a term that is character assassinating to me…and I don't like it.
Franke-Ruta: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to…
Althouse: (screeching) THERE'S A WHOLE STORY THERE THAT IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME PERSONALLY ABOUT IT, WHY DON'T YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE STORY IS AND RAISE IT IN A WAY THAT HAS A FACTUAL CONTEXT THAT MAKES SENSE TO PEOPLE…(At this point, Franke-Ruta clutches her chest in alarm and mortification.)…INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING OUT A TERM LIKE THAT THAT'S INSULTING TO ME??!! (voice begins to quaver) I FIND IT VERY OFFENSIVE!!
Offensive? Miz Althouse, have you lost your mind? Let's go back in time to the original posts about Jessica, shall we?
Let's take a closer look at those breasts.
I wanted to elevate a discussion from the comments section of a post from Wednesday, you know the one with the photo of the Daou-wrangled bloggers posing in front of Bill Clinton? The first commenter, Goesh, picks up on my prompt — "Let's just array these bloggers… randomly" — and wisecracks: "Who is the Intern directly in front of him with the black hair?"
Eventually, Jessica from a blog called Feministing, shows up and says: "The, um, 'intern' is me. It's so nice to see women being judged by more than their looks. Oh, wait…"
Lady Ann wasn't having that. Clearly, Jessica is just a brazen slut who poked out her breasts as far as she could in hopes of scoring some hot after-lunch action with Big Dog:
Snarky but somewhat conciliatory, I say: "Well, Jessica, you do appear to be 'posing.' Maybe it's just an accident."
Jessica Feministing returns and says:
It's a picture; people pose. And I'm not sure I understand your logic anyway. If I "pose" for a picture (as opposed to sulking and hunching over?) then I deserve to be judged for my looks? I don't see anyone talking shit about the other bloggers smiling pretty for the camera.
Provoked, I decide to actually give her a small dose of the kind of judgment for brains she seems to demanding:
Jessica: I'm not judging you by your looks. (Don't flatter yourself.) I'm judging you by your apparent behavior. It's not about the smiling, but the three-quarter pose and related posturing, the sort of thing people razz Katherine Harris about. I really don't know why people who care about feminism don't have any edge against Clinton for the harm he did to the cause of taking sexual harrassment seriously, and posing in front of him like that irks me, as a feminist. So don't assume you're the one representing feminist values here. Whatever you call your blog….
That's right, Ann. What better way to demonstrate that you're a better feminist than that little Valenti chippie than to call her a wonton harlot, a veritable nymphomaniac, just because she stood up straight for the cameras and smiled like her mama told her to when taking a formal portrait? But, oh, Ann, not content to dig yourself a hole, you just had to flop down in there and thrash around in the fresh dirt a little:
Sooooo… apparently, Jessica writes one of those blogs that are all about using breasts for extra attention. Then, when she goes to meet Clinton, she wears a tight knit top that draws attention to her breasts and stands right in front of him and positions herself to make her breasts as obvious as possible?
Well, I'm going to assume Jessica's contributions to my comments are an attempt at a comic performance, as was her attendence at the luncheon dressed in the guise of Monica Lewinsky. Lord knows we need more comical feminists.
Or are you going to say she's some kind of Karl Rove plant? Alternatives: She's a clueless fool. She's in it for the money. (And you know the blog money is all in the T-shirts.)
So, not only at this point have you accused Jessica of being some kind of Monica Lewinsky wanna-be, you belittle her contribution to blogging, call her a gold digger, a toady for Karl Rove, and "a clueless fool"? (Projection much?) And you're mad because you think that Garance Franke-Ruta is a character assassin?
But maybe this is why the Right Wingers like you. You have perfected one of their favorite maneuvers, the Reverse Malkin, which is where you launch a vicious, factually challenged, hate-filled personal attack against someone and then when they push back, you stand to the side and screech, "Wait! I'm the victim, here!"
Gosh, Ann. Given all that, I can't imagine why progressive bloggers think you're a total waste of space. It's not like you're a high-handed, catty, arrogant, know-nothing mediocrity with the brain-power of a banana slug. It's not like you cheerfully carry water for the Reich Wing. And it's not like your blog is a daily regurgitation of pabulum that would be hilarious if one didn't feel such meddlesome pangs of pity over your utter cluelessness.
Jessica, by the way, is one of ours, a top-notch writer (unlike yourself), a true feminist (ditto), and a brave American patriot who believes whole-heartedly that this nation must be wrested back out of the hands of the incompetent elites who have used the last decade to drive the US straight into a ditch. You fuck with Jessica (or her breasts) and basically, you've fucked with us all.
And that's why we find you so repellent. Not because we're enforcing some kind of ideological conformity and think you should be more like us, but because whatever you may tell yourself your political leanings are, ultimately, you're working for Them. You are perpetuating toxic Right Wing narratives and frankly, your tepid support of progressive causes is worse than no support at all.
But watching this video, I think we've conclusively answered a question that you, Miz Althouse, posed not so long ago: "Do Sociopaths Care What People Think?" you asked, in reference to President Clinton, but it's clear from your petulant freak-out in this interview that not only do sociopaths care what people think, they get downright testy when you expose them to reality, my, my. But, you know, good luck and all, Professor. You're going to need it. It's got to be really hard to wipe all the motes out of your neighbors' eyes while managing to be so breathtakingly oblivious to the log sticking out of your own.
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Late night?
It is late night somewhere I’m sure, but not on the east coast.
Late night is a state of mind
He’s going out on the town and wanted to get this powted before he left.
Er, posted.
She can’t seem to face up to the facts (ba-dum DUM)
She’s tense and nervous and she can’t relax (ba-dum DUM)
Can’t sleep cuz’ her hair’s on fire –
DON’T touch her she’s a real live wire!
Psycho Annie, whatja say?
Squawk squawk squawk squwaaawk squawk squawk squawk squawk squawk squawk betta run run run run run run run awaayyyyy….
Does that mean it’s “all relative”? One of my favorite un-favorite cliches. ;0)
but…it’s only 8:30!
so…what is the official GOP line on that repugnant Republican chippy pawing at W at the SOTU? She seemed positively intoxicated by his dry-drunk man-musk.
Looking at that photo at that top. I once took a shower with my Siamese. That type event will never replicate again.
Hey Phoenix, don’t know if you caught this below, but your well-constructed post forced me to watch 2 hours of Food Network to snap me out of my depression. Bam!
cleter @ 8
That’s the smell of flop-sweat.
Near Zed!
….for FDL’s new Greenland edition?
er…uh……in the tradition of gentle blogospheric feeedback to beloved friends…
Yo therapod!
Get thee to the ER!
They need to check vision and temporal orientation…
It’s before nine – even in Georgia.
Esteemed therapod, your chronobiology is ….well ….deranged. (but not the rest of you.)
Of course, if you’re wearing new shades, perhaps sliding them back would allow a quick reorientation.
Please pardon the egregious (sorry) invasion of your temporal life.
Yours from San Francisco
where skies are partly cloudy after rain, air quality excellent, and I’m squinting to type ’cause the sun’s in my eyes.
Welcome FDL Greenland!
(and thanks Dr. Frist for inspiring this assessment)
dry-drunk man-musk flop-sweat
Somehow (to my good luck!), I had managed to avoid knowing and hearing anything about Ann Althouse until I read about this contretemps and the picture on Pandagon. Ms Althouse needs to get a grip. And a clue. Ms Valenti’s main offense appears to be defending herself for being a human.
Twisted Martini @ 10
Aww gee! Sorry!
Phoenix, don’t be, nothing like Paula Deen to snap you out with some good ol’ Southern hospitality.
experiment in fdl hyperspace…
this once was a thread….
the url is now a 404..
and the fdl homepage does not know us.
adrift in cyberspace
the lost thread sends a comment
listening
alone
late edit
one commenter clapping on the lost thread…..
other hands on the lost thread?
alone in cyberspace, what can a lone hand do?
type?
cast?
(out)
Jessica is posing? Just how uptight is Ann? Tight Clothing! my mom wears cloths that tight. Ann seems to be implying that she NEVER WEARS clothes that tight EVER. We need to stake out her local bar, health club etc and get a picture. If she wants to play dirty we should up the ante and expose her as a hippocrite. She just put her personal life up as fair game, who’s that intern! She doesn’t know Jessica but if Ann keeps pushing we will KNOW ANN. I wonder if there are any pictures of her with Newt, MR 3 wives, I was having an affair while I was trying to get Bill Clinton impeached for having an affair. I wonder if she has written about about Rudy or Newt’s affairs EVER. This condeming liberals for being imoral thing while their side can do anything just pisses me off.
oh brave new zed.
Oh that poor kitty!
OK. It 8:02 pm. Time to TREX!
rawk
Klieg lights again.
Does anyone know if Klieg lights are even used in the congressional hearing rooms?
It’s not like you’re a high-handed, catty, arrogant, know-nothing mediocrity with the brain-power of a banana slug
Evening, TRex. I hope this was not meant as an insult to banana slugs everywhere.
I wake up every day, right here, right in Punxsutawney, and it’s always February 2nd, and there’s nothing I can do about it.
I haven’t gotten to the freakout part yet, but Garance is putting up *no* fight whatsoever. She just conceded that the conservative blogosphere is LOW-KEY. Jaysus.
Yeah, before the freakout, GFR was a sellout.
By the way, that should be:
“She thinks she can shit gold and piss whiskey.”
And yes, I wrote that.
Why did my comment need to await moderation?
Okay, I saw the freakout and the leadin to it, and I think the whole thing was completely phony. She’s just playing games with Garance because she can.
She was *smirking* when Garance brought up the “breast controversy” and didn’t look upset by it at all.
El Cid @ 27
On snow?
Also, she was interrupting Garance repeatedly the whole way through, and then blows up when Garance tries to get a word in edgewise. Niiiice.
Can Garance say “Reclaiming my time”?
Suzanne @
24
They’ll get over it.
Hey, can we pair AA up with Cliff Schecter next time?
Eli @
30
She’s a freaking psychotic is what she is.
jerry @
29
That is an excellent question that the mods are scratching their heads about. The filters sometimes have a mind of their own.
Althouse is quite the spectacle. She’s welcomed in the Right Blogosphere…? Funny that, because I first learned she existed at about the time she was in a blogwar with all the Pajamas Media idiots: I could I suppose fish out the stuff they were saying about her on LGF, about how she’s a whore and so on.
Althouse is the most advanced troll on the blogosphere, essentially.
shorter ann
‘waaaaa – they started it – nasty liberals’
TRex @ 33
No, she’s a tool, and I mean that in all senses of the word.
I’m not even sure whether she’s really as stupid as she pretends to be, or whether that’s just cover for her to say staggeringly inane, nonsensical things.
Thers @ 37
So, has she or hasn’t she evolved an opposable thumb, then?
In comparasin to that termagant flipping her lid, the wet kitty looks completely bored.
I would have loved to see Garance call bullshit on AA’s claim not to be conservative, and on her claim that referring to “The Breast Controversy” was somehow offensive, which is absolutely transparent bullshit.
Oh, and welcome, Thers! Always good to see you!
I saw you got the coveted Wolcott link! That’s a big day in the life of any aspiring wit. Congratulations!!
Oh, and Ann? The reason conservatives love you and liberals hate you is because YOU’RE. ON. THEIR. SIDE.
This Althouse creature confuses and frightens me.
I fear it may grow violent.
Please, I beseech you, put it back in the cage.
Please?
phil @ 25
I feel ya…
Eli @ 42
Yeah, she was Althouse’s perfect victim on this one. Shame it wasn’t Jessica Valenti herself on the left side of the screen, or, even better, me. Or Cliff Schecter or Rachel Maddow. That’d learn her.
Dear Mr. TRex,
Just got home after visiting a cousin who has a cat who is a “wringer” for tonite’s pic. He was a stray who recognized a sucker when he spotted one. The poor thing was so scuzzy she had to have him shaved down, leaving only a mane and fluff on the tip of his tail. Having grown out again, the poor thing seems not to have inherited a self-grooming gene so he looks almost as grungy as the day he knocked on the door. His nose is so squished it winds up swimming in gravy whenever he eats. His beautiful amber eyes stay almost slit shut w/lots of gunge buildup. Reqardless of physical shortcomings, he has turned out to be the most loving of all her six pooties and given the nose structure, he definitely has the loudest purr.
Being the cat lover you are, thought you might enjoy this little story.
that woman is a fuckin’ cuckoo.
someone send her to mortville…
*xyz @ 45
Even if we cage it now, it’s droppings will still be scattered throughout the TOOBZ.
Thers @
37
Ooooh! Please do — and hurry, before Charles Johnson scrubs the site!
The chippy in question is none other than the Heiress Apparent to Cruella DeVil Harris, Little Miss Whackaloon herself, Michele Bachmann.
There is more to this than what was written. I guess you have to be a female to see it. But I have noticed this in real life a LOT. When many females get past the “cutie” stage, they get SO jealous of younger women.
I have seen it in real life, I have seen it in chatrooms. These are almost invariably women who got where they are by LOOKS. Women who weren’t as “cute” in youth, or are talented or educated, don’t get dragged into this.
Just watch those who act this way — I will bet they were cutie pies in youth. (And I use the term “youth” loosely. It ends somewhere in the 30s.
Remember that song “Glory Days?” That is them.
“Wake up Campers!”
…”I got you babe…..I got you babe…”
“Conservatives are soooo nice to me!!”
Blecch. Go on, they want you, Althouse, they can have you. You obviously feel more comfortable over there, and jeepers, being treated “nicely” (especially you’re a blonde white girl in media) and never being held accountable for their actions is what they’re all about anyhow.
TRex @ 45
Althouse is a bully, and Garance is not used to dealing with bullies, at least not in realtime.
Not that I would be much better, I’m afraid. But I sure would like to see someone rip her a new one.
Shell @ 52
And Garance is quite attractive.
Ms. Althouse – jealous much?
But Althouse wouldn’t dare let Cliff or Jessica or Rachel anywhere near her. The first lesson righties learn is The Alan Colmes Rule: When debating a non-righty, pick one who thinks it’s ill-mannered to fight back.
Okay, I saw the freakout and the leadin to it, and I think the whole thing was completely phony. She’s just playing games with Garance because she can.
Yeah. And she did the same thing to Jonah Goldberg, actually.
A big giant troll, that’s our Althouse.
Shell @ 52
Yup. And because they suddenly find themselves having to use skills other than looks, they start to freak out.
Shell @ 50
The way I read Althouse’s expression was, “I’ve got a patsy here, and I know just how to push her buttons and throw her off and totally dominate the conversation.” I think she uses this false-outrage tactic on *everyone* who lets her.
What an drama queen. She blows up like a maniac after teasing it out of Garance with “why don’t they like me?” and then smiles coquettishly in between ranting and raving (with periodic sucks on her drink) and goes on and on about the “old flame wars”.
sheesh.
give her some golden globes.
Yeah, I remember Glory Days. Now it’s running around my head, damn you.
Doesn’t mean you’re wrong.
But I still hate you.
Glory days well they’ll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl’s eye
Glory days, glory days
Great, my comment gets stuck in the filter, but the QUANTUM UNIVERSE MACHINE sails right through…
TRex @ 31
Not at the University of California Santa Cruz. Trex, your name will be mud.
angie @ 60
I think it’s very offensive for you to refer to them that way.
Eli @ 65
heh.
Eli @ 61
that whole wave particle thing eludes me again…
AZ Matt @ 62
Isn’t mud a compliment there?
I agree she’s troll.
But she is also mean girl, in that 15 year old way.
Tonight though, looking at her pallor, I realized she is mostly undead. I honestly believe she is some sort of undead energy vampire and she was trying to packetize and then drain GFR’s essence.
kirk murphy @ 67
Actually, I probably should have copied it and pasted it on *my* blog. I collect the stuff.
Pectopah @
23
Oh, how I wish one of the reporters had asked him “What’s a kleig light?” Cuz I bet he doesn’t know. He just said it cuz it was written down.
They were a kind of arc light, which I don’t think are used any more.
I was promised godlike visages covered in peanut butter.
And I get Althouse and the Great Breast Controversy of Summer 2006. Where’s darkblack with that marvelous montage?
Boy, it looks like Althouse’s Mary Spot is that Jessica Valenti Breast Controversy! Great video. Just another dumb Bush tool. Someone better get Ann her smalling salts.
Eli, km, and everyone else, refresh your page…. several comments got caught in a filter hiccup
Eli @ 61
I saw you got the coveted Wolcott link!
Aw, shucks (kicks feet, blushes).
I sure would like to see someone rip her a new one
I believe that Adepts of the Higher Althouse Snark are preparing something particularly ghastly. Won’t appear for a bit, but… be afraid… I must say no more.
Suzanne @ 72
Yep, I refreshed. My quarrel is with the filter, not the mods. And I suspect that “c*tie p*es” was probably the trigger…
Eli @ 66
Like your blog – first saw it tonight!
Hey Teddy, congrats on the front page post.
Thers @ 73
On video? I want to see the look on her face when she realizes she doesn’t have an easy mark.
You collect black holes? Wow. Where do you keep them?
cleter @ 69
Exactly. But that doesn’t stop the spin machine from repeating that. Gonzo said. So did Snow’s pinch hitter.
I suggest a compromise. No Klieg lights. But Oaths and transcripts.
Hey, thanks, kirk!
cleter @ 78
Inside their event horizons, of course.
Picking on the Ann Althouse?
Just look how outraged Ann became.
TRex, you are just so nasty….A real ‘uncivilian’.
And so is the whole darn blot-a-sphere, too.
;>)
darkblack @ 82
Guilty as charged. I hang my head in shame. And so you won’t see me smirking.
Ann Althouse is a boob. what’s with the risque decollete, anyway?
Yup. She’s the slightly-more-polite version of the male righty trolls who delight in going up to women like Franke-Ruta, women they think are fragile flowers who will run away at the first drop of an F-bomb, and start calling them “c*nts” and suchlike.
alt.bughouse
Phoenix Woman @ 84
Same mentality, but completely different approach. Instead of just going on offense overtly, she plays the victim card and turns the dial up to 11.
If Tommy Yum is around, I want to say that the recipe for Belgian Waterzooi, at comment 38 on last Saturday’s Pull Up A Chair thread was just great. And it does taste great the next day too.
The picture with the wet kitty and this discussion made me think of someone else….doing the Pogo!
http://www.cadenhead.org/workb…..possum.jpg
And this
http://www.pensitoreview.com/i…..porter.jpg
cinnamonape @ 88
Oh, I read that second URL as something completely different at first…
Eli @ 87
Exactly. In both cases, they pick on people they figure won’t fight back or call them on their bullshit.
Phoenix Woman @ 90
Yep. I think she spent the first part of the conversation getting Garance’s measure (i.e., Will she call “bullshit” if I keep repeating over and over again how liberal I am?), and then picked something completely arbitrary and petty to attack over, just to show her power.
Eli’
Where is your blog? I always dig your comments.
TRex @ 84
And of course, under the ‘guilt by association’ rules within this bagatelle that we have seen displayed, that my reputation is now besmirched as a result.
I’m shocked…Shocked to find these goings-on
;>)
the quantum universe machine has disappeared again.
and i thought thermodynamics wwas hard to learn when my brain was nineteen…..
And I apologize to Garance, since I’m being kind of hard on her. I know she was completely ambushed here, and had no expectation that the “friendly conversation” was going to turn into a knife fight.
Mocha Dem @ 3
As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
Terry Olson @ 92
Thanks! Just click on my name.
darkblack @ 81
Come on, Darkblack, do your stuff.
“Why are people so nasty to me? I don’t know what I could have possibly done… except, well, what I am about to do… now stand back… I have SOME SERIOUS WHINING TO DO…”
I had never heard of this Outhouse woman before. Some of us do not travel as widely as Trex. I do remember a bit of the stink on the photo at Bill’s get together.
I watched the first couple of minutes of the tape and it was a queasy watch, kind of like waiting for a monster to jump out at you. What is with the facists like me and you liberals do not? I do not think I want to like someone if all the Repugs that they are so wonderful. I mean this lady is bananas.
(I also thought some of Garance’s nonverbal reactions were beautifully incredulous…)
Goodness, I missed an Nnnnn
;>)
darkblack @ 103
she put the Ann in Anngry
kirk murphy @
17
What the fuck’re you smokin?!
darkblack @ 100
Do you think she might do the Exorcist thing of the head doing the 360?
AZ Matt @ 100
I’m skeptical as to whether she’s really pro-choice or pro-gay marriage, but if she is, those are just about her *only* liberal views. She’s a bigtime war and Constitution-demolition enabler (and I’m not just going by her 2004 vote), and that’s more than enough to endear her to the wingnuts.
I didn’t stick around for the AutoAdmit discussion, but her reaction to that was pretty despicable as well:
1) I can totally relate to these women being abused and sexually harassed, because liberals sometimes namesteal me.
2) Why are these women so upset at being called attractive? It’s *flattering* to have your pictures posted up on a bulletin board for men to drool over and make sexual comments about and stalk you!
I propose that people randomly mention “Jessica Valenti Breast Controversy”, even as just a whisper, anytime Althouse is within hearing range of them. Or to post those words in her blog comments for any given thread, embedding within some other statement out of context.
I’d love to see if she’s capable of generating that same amount of phony indignation out of the blue every single time it’s brought up. I doubt it – that takes too much energy.
Ferruge @ 108
I like the way you think. Maybe if she’s going to be at YKos, we should get, “HEY, ANN! TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT MY BREASTS!” t-shirts made.
Ferruge @ 108
I think I might just have to rename my blog…
Hello, and welcome to JessicaValentiBreastControversy.blogspot.com…
Ferruge @ 107
The next liberal to talk to her will be prepared, and will casually bring up the “Jessica Valenti Breast Controversy”, and AA will let it slide without batting an eye.
But will then go completely ballistic on some false outrage that her interlocutor was *not* prepared for, because it’ll be about somenew absurdity that no sane human would ever get upset about.
“How DARE you call me ‘Professor Althouse’! That’s my slave name! How can you be so INSENSITIVE???”
cinnamonape @ 88
Cinnamonape, we try to forget these things. You are intruding. Please.
OT
Over at TPM (the thread is still building with commentary from readers, so no link), Josh is exploring the question of whether it’s possible for Goodling to legally take the fifth. The claim is that she can’t take the fifth pre-emptively against perjury she hasn’t committed. Nobody has said this, but it would seem unreasonable to refuse to testify at all–if there is some crime she fears she may broken, she can invoke the fifth if questions involving that crime arise, but she just can’t say this is a hostile environment, I’m taking the fifth.
Josh speculates that she doesn’t want to testify because the WH hasn’t decided on its story yet–or it’s telling one so lame that she fears a perjury rap if she’s the first one to tell it and Josh and FDL dissect it.
IANAL, but I know you’re out there.
My theory is that they are just gonna stall with everything at their disposal.
Eli @ 107
But don’t you know? 9-11 changed everything. Apparently Ann is one of those liberals a la Dennis Miller who freaked out and began despot-worship and still hasn’t recovered.
AZ Matt @ 107
Honestly? No…Maybe a little greener, and equipped (if you know what I mean)with a strategically ripped blouse, though.
At least Ann apologised for losing her temper in such a bold, haughty fashion
;>)
Shell @
52
One might hope that a professor of law at the University of Wisconsin would be “talented” and “educated.” But we all know of a professor of law at the Unviversity of California, Berkeley who is simply full of shit. So, perhaps nothing follows from someone’s academic credentials.
***!!!Rrrawr!!!***
***!Chomp! !Chomp! !Chomp!***
?Ann-Whohouse?
Ferruge @ 112
Yah. Anyone who could do a 180 like that, their liberalism was only a skin-deep pose.
I can’t remember who it was who asked why it is that when liberals undergo the 9-11 conversion, they immediately buy into every *other* Republican viewpoint, even if it has nothing to do with terrorism.
Well, except La Althouse, of course, who remains *perfectly* liberal in every other way…
!El Gato Negro! @ 116
El gato negro es en la CASA, Yo!
Wigwam @ 114
…And writing at above a sixth-grade level.
OT..but is any thing OT for Late Nite?
There was an interesting segment on NPR today about selling gasoline. The background is that the energy in a gallon of gas is dependent on the temperature. Higher temp, volume of gasoline expands and therefore less gasoline molecules to burn in a gallon of gas.
Now for the good part. In the distribution network, the price/volume is temperature corrected, so that your gas station does not loose money in August and the supplier doesn’t loose money in January. For you, however, the gas pumps don’t temp. correct. This fraud adds about a 3 cent/gallon hidden charge for gas in California and $1.5 billion total per year in the US. In Canada the oil companies have mandated temp correction at the pump. California just approved temp. correcting pumps but the pump manufacture will not sell them because the oil companies have threatened the company with a product boycott.
Since the the fundie Republican base doesn’t believe in physics there will be no objection from Bubba living in Georgia. No wonder the oil companies love global warming, it’s free money for them at the gas pumps.
Eli @
96
Yeah, especially as Althouse tries to claim to be oh-so-polite even as she screeches her fake victimhood at the top of her lungs.
Shell @
52
I believe that you have hit the nail directly on its flat little head.
Heading home, gang. See you in a bit.
I’m skeptical as to whether she’s really pro-choice or pro-gay marriage, but if she is, those are just about her *only* liberal views. She’s a bigtime war and Constitution-demolition enabler (and I’m not just going by her 2004 vote), and that’s more than enough to endear her to the wingnuts.
I could be wrong about this, but she is
a) genuinely pro-choice and pro-gay marriage
b) incredibly firm supporter of strict / original constructionists and against any sort of judicial activism that she doesn’t agree with
that she is more like:
“oh, how sad we don’t have gay marriages. alas and alack. wrings hands. sigh. pity. nothing to be done of course.”
I’m up way later than I meant to be, but before turning in, I’d like to share something I read today. It’s a sermon by Louis Crew, the founder of Integrity (which, for anyone who is not aware, is the Episcopalian GLBT organization).
I found it very touching in a positive, uplifting way. And, speaking for myself, it’s something I needed today. (Click)
when one twin goes, the other darts out for a sec, too.
Gonna make a sandwich, then try not to give half of it to the dang dogs.
be right back…
in the meantime, did anyone come up with a plausible theory as to why Jerome Corsi wants Abu Gonzalez So Very Gone, as evidenced by that insane Worldnutdaily article (but I repeat myself)from last night?
Talk amongst yourselves…
Of course, the cure is to not bother with her at all, once one has enough filmed footage of her to use for mocking purposes.
Matt Taibbi has got to be one of the best writers in the mainstream press today, and keeps proving it:
The Republicans ran Congress like a basement cock-fighting ring for more than a decade, and two months or so after they’re out of power, they’re already transformed into a bunch of squawking dissidents more pretentious than Rage Against the Machine. And they know how absurd it is, too. When I called Diaz-Balart’s office, and asked his press representative, Victoria Martinez, how her boss could possibly complain about a lack of open rules considering his record, there was a pause on the other end of the line.
“Uh huh,” she said. “I’ll get back to you.”
Click. Should I hold my breath while I wait?
I wonder if Blognia-Herzegovinia is influencing this new crop of writers. Don’t hear this talked about much, but since the Internet is largely young people’s domain, the next generation of writers are cutting their teeth in this new age accountability. The Broders and George Wills of the world are a thing of the past. If you’re invested in cocktail weenies, it might be a good idea to get out now. I have a feeling “the circuit” will be drying up as the “old guard” starts visiting that TV studio in the sky.
patrick rex @ 126
My guess is it’s because Gonzales is Catholic and Corsi hates Catholics (yet oddly enough has never been taken to task by William Donohue).
Of course, the cure is to not bother with her at all, once one has enough filmed footage of her to use for mocking purposes.
I’ve suggested that at times at blogging heads and to her various blogging heads partners but they just look at me all crazy eyed and mutter “hits is hits!”
conniptionfit @ 105
sensory deprivation – trapped between the threads
I think you are right about the cutie pie thang. However I do think that both of these women while in their discussion are trying to put both sides into a nice little box and that really cannot be done out here in the blogosphere you have every kind of individual.
jerry @ 122
When Alito was nominated for the Supreme Court, she wrote a really annoying op-ed in the NYT in which she tried to claim that Alito was much more liberal than anyone gave him credit for (basically because of some rulings that were very pro-religion, but not *Christian* religion), and besides, moderate judges are soooo boring.
I had to rant about that one a bit…
Wow…
Sra. Otracasa, her cabeza go !Poom!
Ooooh just theenk, eef Ann gets all head-’splodey so easily, thees opens up new venues for entertainment, eh?
so.
Althouse phoned it on on her Nookie-a Self Hone
!El Gato Negro! @ 131
I Garancetee you, if she goes up against someone who’s used to arguing with wingnuts and bullies, she does not try that shit.
Garance did not push her buttons, she pushed Garance’s.
punaise @ 103
Oh, for cryin’ out loud, Darkblack.
However, given the fact that AA did come across rather poorly, I’m thinking that:
A) She was so caught up in wanting to “win” that she got carried away, and/or
B) She didn’t realize just how bad she looked – maybe that act plays better over the phone with no video?
Suzanne @
77
Thanks! As I mentioned to Jane in a later email, I feel I betray the Wilsons whenever I read, let alone link to, Novakula. But it’s important to keep an ear on him as the house of Bush deceit collapses. He’ll be an important guide to the implosion (and, no doubt, a survivor).
I Garancetee you, if she goes up against someone who’s used to arguing with wingnuts and bullies, she does not try that shit.
Hence all the Sady, Fun! of late, no?
so.
Sadly, Sadly…
!Sadly, Fun!
Phfffft.
TeddySanFran @ 136
I love to see Republicans writing about Republicans turning on Republicans.
!Dr. OtraCasa! @ 138
There’s an edit button…
from an email today:
This is one her earlier posts:
About that U.S. Attorneys matter.
I think David Brooks — TimesSelect link — has about the right take on it:
When you look at the prosecutors who were fired by the Bush administration, you see some who were fired for proper political reasons and some who were fired for improper ones. Carol Lam seems to have been properly let go because she did not share the president’s priorities on illegal immigration cases. David Iglesias seems to have been improperly let go because he offended some members of the president’s party.
Kool-Aid anyone?
jayackroyd @ 113
IIRC, during the Army/McCarthy hearings, witnesses regularly took the fifth on EVERYTHING. But, once given immunity, a person can’t do that anymore.
I’m confident you’re right about the determination to “stall.”
TRex–Thank you for this powerful post.
Your quote that I’ve referenced above relates not only to Ann Althouse, but to most of the other pundits and Beltway elites controlling the MSM today:
“…Ultimately, you’re working for them…”
More truthful words have rarely been spoken.
Again, I say thank you for speaking truth to power.
Okay, I’m here to tell you that putting the Riesling in the freezer to chill a little and then forgetting about it does not improve its quality.
salon.com:
overreach, perhaps…but still
AZ Matt @ 143
wow.
That’s amazingly obtuse.
I keep rolling my eyes at these mainstream pundits like Kinsley who (oddly) all seem to really want for this to go just away… I am gonna sprain one of my old eyes if I have to hear much more of this crap.
Fern @ 144
Ah, but now you can put it on a stick.
Okay, I’ve posted two anti-bullshit posts from T-rex and have been denied my posts so… What does that say about FDL?????????????
Eli @ 150
drink to forget v. forgot to drink
bilhelm @ 149
That this isn’t your blog?
patrick rex @ 150
I’m still trying to work out what *bilhelm* is saying…
There’s also something (I’ve seen this in MANY movies so it must be true) that you have to take the fifth from the very first question, and you can’t just pick and choose what you plead the fifth too.
I don’t know why that is, but I know I’ve seen it on TV.
I’ve seen it on TV!
it sez the Lake is refreshing…and tasteful.
bilhelm @ 152
Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.
You’re not calling me a Republican, are you? Cuz them’s fighting words. ;}
Fern @
147
did it explode, or was it in a paper cup?
TeddySanFran @ 156
don’t you just hire someone to fight for you?
TeddySanFran @ 154
No, then I would have said that I love to see Republicans writing about Republicans writing about Republicans turning on Republicans.
Eli @ 150
Only if I break the bottle!
bilhelm @ 152
You know, it still isn’t too late to post something that makes sense.
TeddySanFran @ 159
Caught it pre-explosion. This time.
(waving hi to cassie)
TeddySanFran @ 155
My dad had an incident like this once, and decided to use a strainer to try to salvage the situation. He asked my stepmom if he could interest her in a glass of shard-donnay.
So, in case anyone wonders how I got to be this way…
NYT editorial for Tuesday:LINK
Eli @ 98
Eli, great job on your post. I really like your blog. lolo
Fern @ 148
i’ve done that. might i suggest something quite luvly in the way of a timer? works for more things than just rieslings.
I think “Goodling” is a contraction of “Good Underling”.
lolo @ 164
Thanks, lolo! I appreciate it!
I wish I could say that one was par for the course, but it’s kind of an outlier in almost every respect…
Eli @ 165
Nay, I don’t think we really want to know.
Fern @ 162
I love my Ries-es in Pieces.
Wonton harlots love Dim Sum.
Wigwam @ 144
This was during the 50’s and 60’s..HUAC, Red scare stuff and later the Mafia and crime hearings. This was when a witness was asked their name and they refused to answer because it might…..
It is my understanding that the rule was that if you answered any question and then invoked the 5th when another question was asked, you could be charge with contempt of Congress. This was very abusive and could make anyone appear guilty . This was changed so that the 5th could be applied to only questions where it pertained.
back to the original topic-
I think Althouse could have added some more gravitas to her presentation if she’d just done a LITTLE bit more hair flipping and eye batting…
and the sucking noises as she wore that coffee cup out where PURE “This is how we make closing arguments in BIG People’s Court” attorney kung fu.
Fuck being an producer/engineer/drum tech/drummer/computer geek! I am gonna go to LAW SCHOOL and be JUST LIKE HER!
How DARE YOU LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT?? IT’S CHARACTER ASSASSINATING!! WHY DO YOU LIBERALS ALL WANT TO ASSASSINATE ME? ALL THE TIME??? BECAUSE YOU DO!!
Eli @ 170
Brilliant! There are many more “Goodlings” in Shrubworld, too.
kirk, i liked your wormhole poem at 17.
punaise, that salon link is encouraging in most respects, but I’m shocked to read that more than 1 in 4 Americans think it’s okay to fire gay teachers for being gay. Down from 49% in 1990, but still.
LoudounLib @ 172
Actually, “Goodling” reminds me a bit of the term “goodlife” from Fred Saberhagen’s Berserker universe. The giant superpowerful Berserker machines programmed to exterminate all life refer to any lifeforms willing to *assist* them in that goal as “goodlife”.
I… am an enormous geek.
Eli @ 171
funny they would leave out the under on their monica
TeddySanFran @ 174
Dude, that’s lower than the percentage of people who think Dubya’s doing a good job.
AZ Matt @ 167
Shall we take this as an admission that there really was something going on on which she could incriminate herself? I think we shall.
EvilDrPuma @ 178
It would be irresponsible not to.
Is Monica Goodling gonna wear a blue dress when she takes the 5th?
Eli @ 172
I loved it. Very thought provoking.
I’m unable to view the video, but I’m partial towards CHARACTER-ASSASSINATING as an adjective. The next time someone comes around saying such-an-such topic ain’t kewl on this blog, I’m calling them CHARACTER-ASSASSINATING.
Chauncy Gardner @ 128
There has never been anyone to smack George Will down in real time. What the hell is someone with a clue going to do, write a letter to the editor of the local paper whose boss has invest owners profits in buying Will’s column? At best that letter reaches a few thousand who don’t care.
But now, with progressive blogs scrutinizing everything, his shit gets sliced and diced within 24 hours and the autoposy gets spread around the world. And, his colleagues read that autoposy. And they razz him about it. And his boss sees it. And he knows his shit is starting to smell. And he’s getting a bit self conscious about it all. And the comments are getting ever more shrill. Nothing goes unquestioned anymore. What is journalism coming to?
Eli @ 170
It’s kind of like calling faeries “the Good Folk.” It prevents the misfortune that inevitably comes of openly admitting that they’re a bunch of cosmically powered psychobillies.
LoudounLib @ 177
Goodling, ‘Berto’s Poodling
A Future Bush Moment has just occurred to me.
Dubya is finally being tried for crimes against humanity and the Constitution, and declares that he will take the fifth. Then looks around peevishly and demands to know where it is…
TeddySanFran @ 182
Teddy, you ditched us last night before you told us about Ed Sullivan!
lolo @ 181
Thanks! It’s been stewing for about 15 years, and I’ve almost written about it a few times, but the NYT Magazine story about people who hear voices finally put me over the top.
Wigwam @ 187
Actual journalism.
bilhelm @
152
Is there something I can help you with, kid, or are you just lost?
TRex @ 190
You mean you don’t know? He said they were from you…
WaPoO chatz tomorrow: (questions accepted anytime!)
White House Reporter Peter Baker at 11am eastern
Staff Writer Amy Gardner on Virginia politics at 11am eastern
Associate Editor Rajiv Chandrasekeran at Noon eastern
Opinionist Eugene Robinson at 1pm eastern
WTOP Commentator Mark Plotkin on Local Politics at 2pm eastern
Whatcha get at the Piggly, TRex?
Okay, here’s my sense. On yesterday’s headline I said “Hey Trex, maybe you should visit cheapvalium.com” about your non-issue (I can’t remember yesterday’s issue but it sure didn’t seem that important.) Afterward my first post disappeared. Sure it has a spelling error but no fag on Earth isn’t guilty of that (except Mr. Polonium…. that is). So my post (under impeachment) was deleted.. Does that make sense? Shall anyone but T-rex inform you further? Freedom of speech (spelled hesitantly incorrectly) was blocked by your holier than this sites monitors… Any other real questions??? Any other hypocritical bullshit the truth has to travel through at FDL?
Little Man-
Certain words (like “fag” and “valium”) automatically trigger the spam filters here. Your comments were moved to the moderation queue by a machine, not by any person’s desire to silence you.
However, you have proven to be rude, shrill, and combative enough that you’ve now lost your posting privileges. Moderators have been alerted and your IP is on our list of spammers. If you could have just waited for a moderator to notice that you were caught in the filter, you could have stayed, but by showing your ass, you have lost your chance.
Good luck and all.
TRex
No, T-rex is someone else.
TRex: bilhelm was just saying what we already know about you – you’re “anti-bullshit.” At least that what the “post” says…
bonkers @ 195
So I guess we’re not talking about the one in Washington.
Again, my post blocked? WTF? Is Trex the only fag on earth?
Little Man-
Certain words (like “fag” and “valium”) automatically trigger the spam filters here. Your comments were moved to the moderation queue by a machine, not by any person’s desire to silence you.
However, you have proven to be rude, shrill, and combative enough that you’ve now lost your posting privileges. Moderators have been alerted and your IP is on our list of spammers. If you could have just waited for a moderator to notice that you were caught in the filter, you could have stayed, but by showing your ass, you have lost your chance.
Good luck and all.
TRex
Love me some Eugene Robinson. He’s the best thing at the WaPo, IMHO
AZ Matt @ 145
scarecrow had some interesting commentsabout that Brooks column embedded in a larger posting.
LoudounLib @ 197
I like E.J. Dionne.
Eli @ 194
Keep it up Eli. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Don’t be afraid of your talent whether it is writing or photography. You have a gift.
Again, I’m your senior sweetheart.. What is your problem?
Little Man-
Certain words (like “fag” and “valium”) automatically trigger the spam filters here. Your comments were moved to the moderation queue by a machine, not by any person’s desire to silence you.
However, you have proven to be rude, shrill, and combative enough that you’ve now lost your posting privileges. Moderators have been alerted and your IP is on our list of spammers. If you could have just waited for a moderator to notice that you were caught in the filter, you could have stayed, but by showing your ass, you have lost your chance.
Good luck and all.
TRex
(Also, am I the only one who thinks Samuelson is, like, Krugman’s evil twin or something?)
Eli @ 205
Him, too!
Eli @ 183
Chances are they are the same religious fantasists and home schoolers.
Eli @ 200
Nah. That “post” is most definately pro-bullshit.
At least on the Editorial Board.
lolo @ 200
Thanks. My approach is simply not to worry too much about whether I suck or not. It’s pretty much beyond my control.
Eli @ 204
and don’t forget Froomkin!
TRex @ 203
The ones who think Adam and Eve rode you to church.
TeddySanFran @ 188
I found that particularly galling as well.
Eli @ 191
HA!
angie @ 206
Ohyes. *Froomkin* is the best thing at the WaPo. Although I do like Dionne. And Stephen Hunter when he’s reviewing something crappy.
John Amato over at at C&L seems a tad p.o.ed at Ms.
OuthouseAlthouse:Ann Althouse loses it
Angie @212, how could I have forgotten Froomkin?!
(hangs head in shame)
LoudounLib @ 203
Dude chatz A LOT, too.
TRex @ 208
It didn’t even make *sense*. It didn’t even *refer* to her except in the most indirect sense. I think that’s why she chose it, because she knew Garance would be completely unable to parse its nonsensicality.
don’t look now folks, but there’s a new Monica issue in swampland. AP’s just posted that Monica Gooding, Gonzo’s assistant is going to plead the Fifth Amendment when she’s scheduled to testify before the Senate Committee on the firing of the USAs. Can kharma be ironic?
Suzanne @ 199
Coffee.
Cat food.
Light bulbs.
Notebook.
Sesame Chicken with buckwheat noodles.
though Dan, as Lady Ombudswoman will inform you should you complain to her about him, works at teh online, not The Post.
TeddySanFran @ 217
And I believe he’s an opinion writer, not an Objective Journalist like Howie Kurtz.
LoudounLib– no worries– LOL.
At least we have some people at the Post who eschew weenies, quail wings, sausage, and Kool Aid.
For that I am grateful…
The All-Seeing Eye Of Froomkin is a national treasure.
Eli @ 191
Por eso Paraguay…
TRex @ 206
such strong reactions to a simple poem…
think i am getting close to shutting the book here, folks.
I sure do enjoy your company though.
707 kirk murphy!
From the WaPo:
Dionne column
Hey if you take the fifth shouldn’t you get fired from the Justice department? The whole job description to work at the Justice Dept seems to me to be to fight crime! Taking the fifth because your worried about incriminating yourself should be just grounds for termination. Yet she is on leave probably paid but because she’s a loyal bushie she still has a job. The D.As on the other hand are fired. The WH lies about why they are fired. The WH blames their firing on job performance, yet many of them are the top D.As in the Country. Weasels like Brooks are still repeating lying GOP talking points which their own papers have exposed as lies. Brooks aparently has a Judy Miller class editor. Just how do you claim something in a colume when your own paper says otherwise? Anyway Justice Dept being a loyal bushie is more important than being good at your job, being a loyal bushie means that you can take the fifth and keep your job AT THE FREAKING JUSTICE DEPT.
things come undone @ 226
Ask Fred Hiatt. He’s the master.
If you take the fifth can you be held in contempt of court preferably in jail in D.C county lock up and not a club fed place until you testify?
things come undone @ 229
picky, picky, picky
Blitzkrieg Bop.
Just for the halibut.
Speaking of Mr. Robinson
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..tml?sub=AR
I am gonna try to sleep…again…g’nite all…mebbe.
Insomnia is just no fun at all.
things come undone @ 228
I don’t think so. The whole point of the amendment is that you have a right not to incriminate yourself. Coercing you to do so would deny that right.
So I think that means you can be subpoenaed, but you can opt to take the fifth. But you’re essentially admitting your guilt.
ifthethunderdontgetya���� @ 236
I heard that over the sound system at Kroger. It was a little disorienting.
OT – Rep. Kuchinich
Kucinich noted that since the US “is a signatory to the U.N. Charter, a constituent treaty among the nations of the world,” and Article II states that “all members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state,” then “even the threat of a war of aggression is illegal.”
Obama = “all options on the table in regard to Iran”
therefore, disqualified for support from those who want to think of themselves as beleivers in Peace, ok?
don’t get played again.
Eli @ 238
Delurking here for a question/comment:
Doesn’t Ms. Goodling have to actually appear before Congress to invoke her 5th amendment right? I would think there were some questions that would not be applicable, such as name, employment, etc.
Could this be a ploy to get immunity?
BTW, for the record, IANAL, I don’t play one on TV and I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Josh has a comment up from one of his commenters over at TPM concern Goodling’s taking the 5th:
Capitol Police Arrest Webb Aide on Gun Charges
“To our knowledge, this incident was an oversight by the Senator’s aide,” said communications director Jessica Smith. “Phillip Thompson is a former Marine, a long-term friend and trusted employee of the Senator. We are still awaiting facts.”
link
The local news here said earlier that he was being kept in custody overnight. Kind of surprising that he wasn’t released on PR or bail, but I don’t know DC laws.
no imunity deals its a Rove trap the bushies did the samething during Iran Contra
angie @ 240,
Try this:
Sun and Moon breathing
I think it’s from someone here. About 3 repetitions of this, and my eyes are closing.
things come undone @ 247
Are Goodling and Sampson considering their positions through the prism of the Scooter Libby case? Despite the hue and cry for a pardon, the attitude at the WH seems to be “Scooter who?” and maybe it’s slowly dawning on them that some people are expendable…
Maybe Goodling isn’t taking the fifth because she’s afraid she’ll be prosecuted. Maybe she’s taking the fifth because if she tells the truth, she’ll lose her job.
She’s wants to take the 5th in order to avoid facing the choice she faces: lie (which is not ethical for a person from a Christian college) or lose her job.
Easier to plead the 5th than face the consequences of her actions.
neurophius @ 247
TPM mentions that you can’t just ‘take the fifth’ because you don’t feel like answering or you don’t like the people who are asking you questions. You can’t avoid perjury charges. The point of the 5th is to avoid self-incrimination. So unless answering the questions will reveal a previous crime, she has no legal basis for taking the 5th.
Any Cheney sightings recently?
Is Rumsfeld still accessing DOD records?
Why can’t Senator Webb’s aide be released rather than locked up for the night in jail?
EvilDrPuma @ 184
i quite agree. now, i appear here to
offer this graphic, humbly ’shopped
up tonight by yours truly, to refer,
in shorthand, to the entire meme we
chant relative to purge-gate. all in
one tasty little package, to boot!
it is now public domain, for any f.d.l.
author, commenter, or other, to post
and re-distribute as they see fit.
oh, yeah. ann WHO-house?
priceless.
carry-on.
– nolo
neurophius @ 250
Maybe at this point she’s just scared witless. Although she’s smart enough to lawyer up, and with a pretty pricey one at that. (Which raises the question of who’s paying, but I digress.)
This seems to be a case of where hiring by ideology vs. competence is going to bite this administration on the ass. She was a nice, compliant little Kool-Ade drinker who never possessed the first-rate legal mind that would have questioned the machinations of this administration. If she had, if her ethics told her she worked for the American people, not “the Bushies,” she wouldn’t be in this predicament right now. OTOH, she’d never been hired by them in the first place.
TRex @
196
Hey Suz and Trex- just finished my lecture on bee learning. Flowers and nectar and waggle dances and so forth. Scanning through the comments, it looks like I’ve missed a really tasty evening.
p.s. I just rescued this comment from the auto-dumpster. Had to make a slight revision to get it back. ;)
Alicia @ 252
Right. But that won’t stop her from taking it. You don’t have to confess to a crime in order to take the fifth. For her, taking the fifth would not be done in good faith, if in fact she were doing it to avoid losing her job. But how is anyone going to prove that?
vg YGM
neurophius @ 257
Of course, maybe she’s afraid she will be prosecuted AND lose her job. Like Scooter.
Ferruge @
108
I did that a few times in ol’ Haystack Head’s blog. As in “Oooh, look over there–feminist breasticles!” It was fun. She kept repeating that she was really, really talking about Clinton when she mentioned feminist breasticles, and how dare we put words in her mouth.
Yeah, right. Sure she was.
Suzanne @ 258
Finally found it. Thanks! I didn’t have THAT window open.
Alicia @
252
So, taking the fifth de facto incriminates one?
neuro, i think she is feeling trapped and wanting to be able to avoid having to make that choice. if she lies, everyone will know she lied, her church family included. if she doesn’t lie, she loses her job etc.
too bad she did not think of this before she did whatever it is.
Kristine @ 249
I honestly don’t know, but this scandal is big the kind of big that gets pardons, so if Goodling and Sampson are acting like they are not expecting a pardon. Then maybe its because bush can not pardon anyone if the crime involves bush’s own impeachment.
Suzanne @ 263
i.e., accept a job with the Bush administration?
neurophius @ 257
That is why she needs to appear before the Senate. I don’t believe you can take a blanket 5th, in effect refusing to testify ahead of time. After all, does she know for a fact what questions are going to be asked? Also, as I mentioned above, some questions, such as name, employment, background info cannot be covered by the 5th, so there are some questions she can answer. Thirdly, and most importantly, with skillful questioning, some information may be elicited without necessarily implicating Ms. Goodling.
Bottom line, IMHO, she still needs to get her butt up to the Hill. We’ll see what happens after that.
patrick rex @
177
I’d love to get her in a room with Ann Coulter and watch the two of them spazz each other into a coma.
Sharoney @ 267
I’d pay good money to see that!
Whatever the political issues (and I haven’t read the thread yet), but, day-um that pic is of one unhappy cat.
My 2 cents: I think Goodling is taking the 5th because she’s afraid that under sworn testimony it will be shown she knows too much about one thing and practically nothing about anything else regarding her job, why she’s in it, or about the law.
sporkovat @
243
Obama = “all options on the table in regard to Iran”
therefore, disqualified for support from those who want to think of themselves as beleivers in Peace, ok?
don’t get played again.
How’s a politician going to get APEACT support without threatening Iran? And, more to the point, how’s a politician going to get elected president of the USA without such support?
Sharoney @ 264
I’d like to see Ann Coulter in another 10 years try to work that black mini…
Alicia @ 272
I have to wonder if Coulter will survive another ten years. She looks awful.
thingscomeundone@264
I’d say the White House was in full panic mode right now. I think for the first time they are being subject to oversight and they just can’t handle it. I’d almost take pleasure in the meltdown until I realize that this is my government that is falling apart. I can only hope that we don’t face another Katrina sized disaster right now, much less any sort of attack on our country, because we would be so screwed.
TRex @ 273
Time for Darkblack to do a take on “A Portait of Dorianne Grey? Probably not. Ann doesn’t provide enough contrast from inital to final to make the theme interesting.
Wigwam @ 271
How’s a politician going to get APEACT support without threatening Iran? And, more to the point, how’s a politician going to get elected president of the USA without such support?
Al Gore can and will if enough Americans awake in time.
ReElect President Gore. Accept no substitute. Imagine a Gore/Edwards ticket or a Gore/Pelosi ticket or just fill in the blank. We can do this friends – we the people matter.
TPM has Monica’s picture up. Jesus Camp, Class of ‘95, if you ask me.
TRex @ 270
Well, she is pushing 50 pretty hard. Considering the discussion about women’s looks and how those that get ahead because of them (which Ann herself flat-out admits) have trouble when they lose that particular ‘all-access pass’ and have to get in line with everyone else, I must say that I am going to enjoy watching her try to stay in the public eye without her ‘Skeletor Barbie’ mojo…
Ann Coulter anyone have any ideas what sent her over the edge? Alcohol, Drugs (which ones/all of them?) and or insane (please a specfic disorder I can google and not toadlicking, shroom eater bugnuts crazy) although eating the flower off THE turdblossom might explain it (shrooms grown out of cow piles, hence the name turdblossom)
Ed*ard Teller @ 270
I agree. Remember all the administrators hired in Iraq based on ideology rather than experience? I suspect the same was true in other Administration positions, and Ms. Goodling will no doubt prove that point. Quite frankly, for someone so highly placed in the Justice Department, her educational background seems, to be kind, second rate.
I require a gallon of brain bleach before I will even think about AC in a black mini 10 years from now.
Suzanne @ 281
…in a black Mini, delivering pizza.
Ed*ard Teller @ 277
I see you are still standing after your viewing. Jesus Camp. Wasn’t it horrific?
Will Monica Goodling wear a blue dress when she refuses to testify?
Kirk, you have mail
hey ET we are thinking alike – i think i asked that upthread :) how’s alaska tonight (and the et clan)?
Ed*ard Teller @ 284
Hey – I made a crack about “will she wear a beret” earlier today. GMTA!
spiderpaws @ 285
Hey, don’t make me jealous. “my fdl handle” AT mindspring DAHT com
hey spiderpaws
jacqrat…I’m words on your screen…
Jacqrat @ 283
No, it wasn’t. I live in an annex of Jesus Camp, the Matanuska-Susitna Borough in Alaska. I’ve coached, volunteered in scouting, given private music lessons to and otherwise had contacts with well over a hundred kids like those in the movie over the past 15 years. I’m working with Jesus Campesque kids right now. I’ve gotten to know many families who very well could have been in the movie. Some are friends. Some would still be friends, onty their pastors have instructed them to not deal with me.
My wife and our friends with whom we shared the movie were shaken. But, I’m sorry, people who believe in superstitions are all around us. The folks in Jesus Camp are only a bit more motivated and nutso than 80% of the church, synagogue, mosque or temple-going population of the planet.
Waving at Suzi ((())))((()))^^^*
spiderpaws @ 290
Doesn’t mean I don’t want to be your friend. I see beyond words – you know that.
Ed*ard Teller @ 284
Why doesn’t the FBI put a wire on her best friend, get her on tape, then kidnap Monica and stick her in a room full of agents and browbeat her until she breaks?
Oh, that’s right. She works for a REPUBLICAN president.
Eli @
236
And he probably learned it from the Wall Street Journal editorial staff.
Monikarma, baby.
Suzanne @ 286
ET clan doing great, except I’m pissed at ET, Jr. for choosing a college where I’m afraid he’s going to have adjustment problems. And – he can’t remember who he loaned my snowboard to! Winter is still hanging in here – it was minus 15F two nights ago and the snowpack is still deep for late March.
This morning, I got up to get the paper and there were three moose browsing on alder buds above where I’ll be starting my garden in five weeks. The sun was rising in the background. What a picture! I raced in to get my camera, but when I got back they were gone.
things come undone @ 279
She’s a legacy wingnut. I seem to recall a mention somewhere that her family’s idea of dinner together was discussing politics of the day, from an extreme right point of view.
And then we wonder why Anne is anorexic? Imagine having that kind of bile spewing over your canapes every night. You’d have nothing but bad associations to food ever after, too.
Dang, ET, that is still friggin cold. My peony is budded but has not bloomed. I hope ET jr remembers quickly – not much snowboard time left.
That’s about it for me tonight, folks. G’nite all.
My questions for the night;
Is the Abu story from Texas true and why haven’t we heard of it?
Is Nancy Pelosi a steely Italian Mama or what?
Where is Cheney and what is he doing?
spiderpaws @ 292
Hmmm, those look suspiciously like breasts! Bouncy, pert, young breasts! Yu’re not – gasp! – referring to Jessica Valenti’s young, pert breasts are you? How could you assassinate Althouse’s character like that!
… who is Jessica Valenti? Jack Valenti’s daughter?
spiderpaws @ 300
1) What Abu story from Texas?
2) Yes
3) At an undisclosed location, doing the Devil’s work
I just love the idea of Nancy Pelosi running the big House and whipping the fellas into shape AND whipping up maybe some squid with ink…or a mushroom risotto…yum
LJ/Aquaria @ 295
Why doesn’t anyone call Brooks on this he’s on tv everyweek with Mark Shields on PBS. Does Brooks have it in his contract that he will only appear on tv if NOBODY asks him about how his colume and his newspaper contrdict each other?
[Mod Note; please don’t re-quote more than twice, thanks, The Margin Faerie]
fahrender @
224
There’s No Need to Fear! Reader of Andrew Sullivan advice is here!
heh…Bush is probably worried she’ll be over to his place next measuring for the curtains…ya think?
Hey Hey A. A.
Archive
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The stuff you’ve written gets saved…
Apparently, no one has explained this to you.
Thanks for the laughs.
:)
spiderpaws @ 306
Yeah,like, maybe it’s curtains for Bush?
ET – I think in the past five days the bald eagles headed your way. They do love our Kings River and it’s always a bit sad when they leave. Wont be cool outside again til just before they return. Usually this is the week for collecting bags full of wild morel mushrooms but we need rain.
meanwhile I spend my mornings on the back porch with coffee and talking back and forth with the big old wild gobbler prancin’ through the ceders looking for a gal.
eureka springs eternal…)
Good questions spiderpaws
I have a question too.
Where is Senator Russ? He sure has maintained a low profile during the senate judiciary committees oversite over the DOJ fiasco.
Why do we think NewMonica has any Xtian compulsion to truth-tell? Surely a law degree from Pat Robertson’s University gives one all the wiggle room needed in that arena.
GQ interviews Senator Hagel.
TeddySanFran @ 310
Zing!
TeddySanFran @ 307
You don’t suppose Oral Roberts University rejected her? *s*
Wow, what an impressive article! It should have a Pulitzer Prize. It must have taken a lot of research to come up with all that. Every time I read one of TRex’s articles I am impressed.
Sorry, in advance…
Asked: Will Monica Goodling wear a blue dress while taking the fifth?
Answered: No, probably just the first two or three.
Seriously, how does an employee @ Justice take five in front of the Congress and have any expectation of keeping her job? What system allows the nations Top Cop’s counsel to decline sworn testimony, unless she’s implicated in a crime? How much higher (or lower) is/should the threshhold be for a lawyer @ Justice?
The first question she hears should be: Have you submitted your resignation yet?
Shouldn’t a Graduate of Pat Robertson’s college have learned right from wrong? If anything she should be confessing her sins not hiding behind the fifth.
spiderpaws @ 300: there’s lots of wrongdoing to go around in Texas, but having read the letter from the AUSA carefully, I really don’t think there’s much to get excited about on the Federal side. Fortunately, the story doesn’t seem to have gotten much traction in the blogosphere.
newspaperbrat @ 276: I’m partial to Gore/Obama myself. The RW is obviously very scared of Obama, and rightly so, but I don’t think he’s quite got what it takes. But as veep, he could be spectacular, and with luck prove his mettle for the time his turn comes around.
Of course, Gore/Ham-Sandwich would be a vast improvement over what we have now.
And Clinton for Senator from New York all the way!
OK — I just watched the clip of “the issue” on C&L. All I can say is The Left needs a better spokeswoman than the woman who kept saying I’m Sorry and letting Bleached-Hair continue with her hilarious lines such as “the right-wing blogs are SO nice to me and the lefty ones are so mean!” That DID cause me to laugh.
I don’t really care why Ann was doing this, or what she was attempting, but she came off as a complete imbecile. My suspicion is that she was sucking up to the RW blogs. Did she need to do that, though? Lame.
And, for the record, I would bet $1000 that it IS the change causing her to implode. Now, go ahead and call me sexist. I don’t care — and I am not sexist.
Shell @ 318
I’m not gender or age-qualified to opine on your “change” theory or whether it’s sexist (strikes me as not). But It’s pro-forma for ReichWingers, when confronted with incontrovertible evidence of their shameful behavior, to run to “victimhood” like rats to the woodpile.
She just exploded at the mere possibility that she’d be on video and confronted with her prior statements and the shameful defense that followed. It worked, sorta.
OT: I have minimal actual knowledge of the details of this case, but I’m going to vent anyway .
CNN is reporting that one Abdul Malik, accused of an Al Qaeda-claimed hotel bombing and attempt to down an airliner, has been transferred from US military custody to Guantanamo Bay.
Assuming that Malik is guilty of planning or participating in the bombing and attempted airplane downing, I have no doubt that he is a bad person. Assuming that Al Qaeda was actually behind the events it has claimed (and that Malik is associated with Al Qaeda), I have no doubt that he was seized because of his probable knowledge of Al Qaeda structure, personnel, plans, targets, etc., and that the US government was salivating during his capture and interrogation.
And — again, assuming that he *is* linked to the bombing and attempt on the airplane — I also have no dobut that the world is a safer place now that he is safely locked up in Guantanamo Bay.
Now, as far as I know (and as far as the American public has been told), everyone that is or has been incarcerated at Guantanamo has been accused of either taking or planning to take action against US citizens. The accusations take various forms and charges, differing locations and conditions and reasons, on or off the battlefield, etc, but they all come down to one of two things: the person is accused either of actually attempting to hurt a US citizen, or is accused of planning to hurt a US citizen.
But, here’s the thing: that hotel that Malik is accused of being involved in bombing? The hotel is in Kenya; it’s owned by Israelis; the bomb killed ten Kenyans and three Israelis. There’s no evidence that US personnel or assets were ever threatened, much less any action actually taken. And the airplane that he’s accused of being involved in the attempted downing of? It happened the same day as the hotel bombing; it also occured in Kenya; it was an Israeli plane. AFAIK, there was never any list of nationalities of the passengers or crew, but I think it’s safe to say that any Americans on the plane were not the primary targets.
Now, the Al Qaeda link may, in some warped Bushian fashion, have given sufficient cause to lead to his (presumed) kidnapping and (presumed) torture. However, that’s where it should end. As far as I can tell, Malik’s never been accused of targeting US personnel or assets. If he’s never targeted the US, then we have no right to indefinitely detain him, and he should be turned over to the authorities in either Kenya or Israel. Otherwise, Guantanamo becomes loses whatever small shred of legitimacy it had and becomes simply a place that the US interrogates and warehouses anyone that the US government dislikes.
Ed*ard Teller @ 270
But you can’t do that is what the letter writers are telling Josh. If you could, nobody would ever testify. Being incompetent is not a crime. The argument the lawyer seems to be making is that the evil democrats will make her lie, and then she’ll be in danger of perjury charges.
But you can’t do that either. You can’t take the fifth to avoid testimony that is intended to be perjury.
At least, that’s what the letter writers are saying over at TPM.
I think they’re stonewalling with everything they got. Anything that will get things into courts and therefore moving glacially, they’ll do. This is all greatly complicated by the fact that the people in charge of taking any contempt citation to court work are the US Attorneys. Which again illustrates how corrosive it is to politicize the justice department.
Good morning, pups. Today in the NYT we have Rory Stewart with wishful thinking (he says we should acknowledge our limitations of knowledge and power in Iraq and Afghanistan), and Nicholas Kristof explains how Kiva, one of my favorite organizations, works. He’s become partners with two merchants in Kabul. Me? I’m partnered with people in Uganda. Please let him tell you about Kiva.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and so are (drum roll, please) waffles. I was up really early this morning! Have a wonderful day. OOOH, did I tell you? My first asparagus spear poked its head up yesterday! I put bare roots in the ground 2 weeks ago, and now I know that at least one of them woke up. I’m so excited I could burst!
mornin’ marion
our tulips, which i feared had met an untimely demise by the January thaw and subsequent deep freeze here in IL, are coming up as well.
fresh asparagus …. mmm
I’m glad your tulips made it, Mack. Down here we have to look on them almost like annuals, or dig them up every year. (The squirrels LOVE them, and it just doesn’t get cold enough to make them happy.) I’m looking forward to eating asparagus next year, but this year I’m going to let the stalks that come up feed those roots!
Mack @ 322
Where are ya in Illinois? I’m from Urbana but I’ve been down here with the tulips in Georgia for 23 years now!
I’m’re in Chicago
The squirrels take many bulbs, but relocate more so they come up in surprising locations
Mack @ 325
Mack @ 325
Aha, we used to find tons of wild asparagus along the railroad tracks down in Central Il but I don’t suppose there would be much along the El. Maybe on the Aurora n’ Elgin!
Aaaaah, “netted” again after three days; life is good. Waves “hello” to Marion & Mack…….twolf, I know you’re out there *g*.
Marion, thought sparrowgrass had to be in ground *years* before any results? Or maybe that was just sufficient quantity for eating?
Mack, glad the tuips are going to make *you* happy this year. Spring bulbs starting to fade in NC depending on variety. I’m waiting for the wild crabapple and wild pink azalea to brighten up the woods. Book says the azalea (R. nudiflorum) “only faintly fragrant, if at all”; I beg to differ.
Mornin’.
raven
i used to stalk the wild asparagus in western michigan back in my college days
my roommate introduced me to the hunt
nothing quite like it
prior to that i thought asparagus tasted like that slimy stuff in cans
our foraging here consists of finding a decent market in our part of town
Mack & raven -
Is there any difference in taste between the wild and cultivated asparagus? It’s one of those veggies (like spinach) that appear to have little, if any, relationship to each other in the canned vs. fresh forms.
Waccamaw, I think it’s a years-long process if you plant seeds. I got 2-year-old bare roots from Burpee, so I’m letting what comes up this year feed the roots and I’m hoping we’ll get a little bit next year, but the year after that, STAND BACK, I’m making hollandaise!
Marion -
If you’re interested, I’ve got an easy microwave hollandaise recipe.
Waccamaw @ 335
I’d be interested to see it. I’ve been making it the same way on the stove for about 50 years now (mom taught me when I was about 10) and haven’t curdled one. (The secret is use cold butter and time…) It sounds like yours may be faster! I’m off out the door, but you can drop it off at mgpaquin AT aol DOT com. Thanks!
Mornin’ all!
good morning dears!
Waccamaw,
The difference is analogous to that of store-bought tomatoes and those from your (or in my case a neighbor’s) garden.
At that I am off to shower and attack the work week once again.
Marion – thanks for highlighting kiva.org
i am more inclined towards charity, but this is an intriguing idea and looks to fill a niche very effectively.
Waccamaw @ 331
I am biased but there was something special about the taste of the stuff we “hunted”. Of course this may be partially nostalgia, like how great the salmon we caught in Muskegon tasted!
Morning. Usually, by this time, I’ve got flowers everywhere. Not this year, though. The only flowers I have are what survived post-Katrina flooding (all in pots). We’re moving in May and I’m not investing the time. It pains me to drive past a plant nursery, though.
Good morning, FDLers.
Can Monica take the Fifth Amendment in the US Attorneys scandal?
You may be interested in a little research I have done.
The letter from Monica Goodling’s highly paid white collar criminal defense lawyers cites a few cases for the proposition that Ms. Goodling can take the Fifth even if she is completely innocent, because of various fears that the Democrats on the Congressional committee are . . . well . . . Democrats, and that she may fall into a “perjury trap” even if she tells the truth, as Scooter Libby supposedly did, in her lawyers’ view.
A few law professors have analyzed the cases. For example, in Goodling to take the Fifth, here are some of their comments:
Orin Kerr’s first thoughts, upon reading the news articles, were:
Upon starting to read Monica’s attorney’s letter, he said:
Upon getting the full letter and seeing the Supreme Court case that the letter cites, Kerr opines that the letter:
Then, in the comment thread, Prof. Marty Lederman weights in:
Thanks, Prof. I’ve been poking around over at TPM and apparently Josh is getting the same kind of feedback.
Congratulations FDL on 31,000,000 site visits!
———–Geeks R Us
Prof – Thanks for pulling the research together.
Mack & raven – Wish I could taste some of your memories.
eg – FDL rockz & rulz!
Prof @
342
Thanks prof. Does this last make any sense? I guess Lederman’s argument is that she is pleading the fifth on suborning perjury to Congress. Isn’t that kind of a big loophole? I mean, wouldn’t your first act as an administration official to go tell someone to lie to Congress so you can plead the fifth at some future time? And, jeez, she works for the justice department how are supposed to have some rather deep concerns about perjury.
U.S. Navy shows force in Persian Gulf
Mornin’ All,
Prof – thanks for the info. Just got back from Josh’s place where he posted similar comments from 2 of his readers – both poo-pooing ‘The Committee Will Be Mean To Me’ rationale -
snip
oh and yesterday someone pointed out that as a current Govt. employee, Ms. Goodling may be violating rules about gifts if in fact her attys are working pro bono as initially reported
U of Chicago law prof Cass Sunstein has posted a succinct outline titled Executive Privilege: A Primer, which I commend to everyone interested in just how much Gonzales, Rove, and Bush can — or cannot — keep from Congress as the Congress ramps up its investigations of the US Attorney firings (and other matters).
At the end of his 18-paragraph analysis, he states:
Of course, messages sent from a Republican National Committee account seem entirely different, and it’s hard to understand how they could be covered by a claim of executive privilege.
Good Morning, Firepups,
It’s clear and mild here in central Jersey. The high forecast for today is 77 degrees. There’s a terrific new global warming series starting in the NY Times today–this installment looks at the lost of the “sky islands,” alpine habitats in Arizona.
Mr. NJP and I went to the annual dinner for the Coalition for Peace Action on Sunday, and heard Dr. Hans Blix give us some reasons for hope. Mr. NJP has been challenging the peace movement with his blog [go here and read the post “Lies My Peace Group Told Me”]. It’s not enough to protest, or to call members of Congress to support the best possible legislation. It’s actual, on-the-ground results, like the supplemental bill that passed last week that really matter.
Have a good week, pups.
Work for peace, every day.
“oh and yesterday someone pointed out that as a current Govt. employee, Ms. Goodling may be violating rules about gifts if in fact her attys are working pro bono as initially reported.”
What if they just charge her $1/hour?
Since there is no topic to get off of this early in the day I want to rant some about Pat Tillman. I started to bring this up yesterday but, out of respect for the family, I decided to let it be. Now, upon reading CNN”c report, it seems as if they feel much the same as I do.
The criteria for earning a Silver Star includes heroic action under enemy fire, and the investigation concluded Tillman had not been under enemy fire on the day he died.
The Tillman family noted that while the Army reported “improprieties in the submission of the award, they appear to have intentionally stopped short in every single ‘misstep’ of actual criminal actions. Submitting fraudulent awards is a crime. More than one person participating in the construction of a fraudulent award is conspiracy.”
jayackroyd @ 346
No, she doesn’t have to have lied before.
Everyone has an absolute right to invoke the Fifth Amendment before Congress. Then, if Congress insists on her or his testimony, Congress can grant immunity from prosecution, which removes the right to take the Fifth (because its purpose is only to prevent being convicted by one’s own words, and immunity from conviction gives the needed protection).
After Congress grants immunity, the person MUST testify.
If the person still refuses, she can be held in contempt of Congress.
In other words, Monica wants immunity.
If she testifies and lies in that testimony, she faces the same fate as Scooter Libby. So she will then be inclined to tell the truth. She is just 33 years old, and unlikely to prefer a jail term.
PS, please work to quote only part of previous messages, not the whole thing. Prevents the Ziggurat syndrome.
Believe I read somewhere one of the dozen or so Alice Fisher has yet to prosecute tried this and it did not meet Fed smell test as language of provisions covers such loopholes – I’ll see what I can find
This should be interesting
Prof @ 352
So the fuss over TPM is completely misplaced?
And why isn’t the Dowd letter a whole lot simpler?
On zig-busting, yes I was lazy. Might be nice if there were a link in a post that just inserted a username @ postnumber hyperlink to the quoted message. Or perhaps even make that the default.
Help me, please.
I wrote the word: (starts with a C, has four letters, and ends in T). I was not doing it to curse, but to make a point about gender-based words that are unacceptable. My entire post got deleted — by site owner?
How can the “D” word (male) be acceptable, but not the “C” word (female)?
Women must get over this squeamishness if they want to be equal….
Shell @ 355
And I thought I was off topic!
ABC continues its good reporting in EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Official Ignored White House Guidance yesterday.
Raven — LOL I started in comments on this story, went to bed, woke up, came back. I am still carrying on what we were talking about hours ago!
But the C word was about Ann Althouse. (Find that easy to believe?)
jayackroyd, the Dodd letter is complex because the lawyers for Monica are trying to suggest that she has done nothing wrong, yet still wants to invoke the Fifth. They are trying to preserve her reputation, I believe. Invoking the Fifth tends to besmearch one’s reputation.
Shell @ 360
I think it’s a automatic with the FDL filter that certain words get flagged. I’d go easy lecturing Christy and Jane on what to, and what not to, get over. It’s their blog and they gets to set the rules.
New thread.
The Right to Remain Silent or Not — more Christy wisdom.
New thread upstairs…
Nice work, Prof. Very interesting.
prof @ 361
Pretty hard to have it both ways on this. Another instance of short-sighted tactical error. Now she’s gonna be in couple extra news cycles and there will be even more speculation about what she fears.
Don’t fail to check out Althouse’s podcast vid just below her post about her bloggingheads appearance. It’s just disturbingly weird, compared to the disturbingly enraged of her attack on Garance.
“I’d go easy lecturing Christy and Jane on what to, and what not to, get over. It’s their blog and they gets to set the rules.”
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Who lectured Jane and Christy? Am I missing something? I thought I lectured Ann Althouse. Oh well, I must have been speaking French…..
Yeah that was low of AA to make those comments about another female blogger. It was uncalled for in every way and smacks of the psycho right-wing Clinton hater. I never liked AA style wise or otherwise. Her writing is like pins and needles. She’s not exactly pro-woman. And I prefer pro-women women. What’s frustrating about not pro-women women who think they are pro-women is they can be so blithely misogynistic=Ann Althouse.
BTW Google Image> Ann Althouse and there is a picture of her in a tight pink sweater, the hypocrite!
AA must have attended the same “verbal self-defense” school as Billo. Every time they are confronted with something they don’t like (like the truth) they cry “Character assassination” and “defamation”, etc. on and on. As for her threat, I would have said, “Okay” and hung up on her adding, “Call back when you can be civil.” I wouldn’t hold my breath for it, tho.
With Ann’s little hysterical speech, she has forever associated herself with breasts and all things breast related. Nice going Ann “breast controversy” Althouse!
Jezzus! Did I miss something!?
And must every ONE have to talk like a ‘valley girl’ (Garance Franke-Ruta)? It’s annoying. Is it supposed to insinuate that one has class, money, standing, what?
As for Ann – “vicious, ugly people”……. give me a break….and now, she doesn’t want to bring up old blog flame wars.
Sorry, I misunderstood the caption; it’s Jessica Valenti?