
As anyone who has followed the Plame case knows, a prime consideration among the news people discussing the case was whether journalism was damaged by Judith Miller's being made to testify and to reveal a source. Most newsies now say that it was not, but — as emptywheel notes in her recent FDL post on the subject — the NYT's Max Frankel is still defending both Judy Miller and his paper on this issue.
Is this a legitimate consideration? This depends in part on whether one sees Miller as a disinterested observer, merely reporting a story — or as an actively partisan operative for a particular political faction. It also depends on whether or not Miller has outed other story sources, and whether it's ever OK to out a story source – and remember, Frankel is implying that the outing of a source is A Very Big No-No and is Never Ever Done.
Let's look at the disinterested observer/reporter angle first.
Judith Miller herself has explicitly rejected the traditional role of journalist as someone who examines the facts regardless of whether they hurt one's preconceived notions; as quoted by Michael Massing in The New York Review of Books in its February 26, 2004 issue, she says the following in response to being asked why she didn't include commentary from WMD skeptics in her stories: "My job isn't to assess the government's information and be an independent intelligence analyst myself. My job is to tell readers of The New York Times what the government thought about Iraq's arsenal." In other words, she's not a reporter, she's a stenographer for the Bush team. (Miller would soon furiously claim to have been misquoted, but Massing, in the letters section of the March 25, 2004 NYRB, firmly stood behind his quotation of her: "Judith Miller is simply wrong. During my hours of interviews with her, she requested that I read back all of the quotes that I wanted to use, and I readily agreed. I distinctly remember reading back the quote in question, and I distinctly remember her approving it. I did this not 'reluctantly' but willingly and patiently, precisely so that I could guarantee accuracy and avoid the type of claim she is now making.")
But we don't even need Miller's own words — words she's tried to disavow — to see that she isn't so much a reporter as she is an operative with an agenda. As is clear to anyone who has been reading about this case at this site, DailyKos, The Next Hurrah, Eschaton, or pretty much anywhere else in the reality-based community over the last few years (not to mention emptywheel's excellent book Anatomy of Deceit), Miller was as much in the hip pocket of Ahmad Chalabi as were the rest of her neocon friends in the Bush Junta – so much so that she actually ordered around American soldiers on Chalabi's behalf. (Trust me, I only wish I were kidding about that.)
As for the whole "outing a source is a no-no and is never ever done" gambit, well, guess what? As emptywheel pointed out way back in the summer of 2005, Judith Miller has burned at least one source before (in this case, Amy Smithson), without needing to be hauled off to jail first — and nobody was running around saying that this spelled The End Of Journalism As We Know It. Funny how none of Miller's defenders seem to know this little bit of her history.
But aside from this hypocrisy about the alleged sanctity of sources, Miller, as a person whose newspaper career spans three decades, should also be aware that in old-school journalism, if a source screws over a reporter with bad information, the reporter is free to out the source. In fact, it is the reporter's duty to out a lying source. As Atrios said, and reporters John Gizzi and David Freddoso at the conservative outfit Human Events demonstrated in 2004, "A source lies to you, and you find out, you burn him. Period." And goodness knows that Judy's sources fed her the most egregious garbage over the years, as the corrections to her articles attest.
Now, Max Frankel must know all of this. He has to, he's a Timesman — one might almost say THE Timesman. But his loyalty to the paper, and to a disgraced ex-Timeswoman who brought shame upon the paper (and, I suspect, a touch of loyalty to the ideology espoused by Miller and her neocon friends), not to mention the utter refusal overall to admit that (just like with Whitewater and Wen Ho Lee) they were hosed by the Republican Noise Machine, is interfering with his vision. Otherwise I can't see how he would have let such a fundamentally dishonest piece as this one escape his keyboard.



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Aha!!!
its day again.
She’s inoperative now…
Operative. That’s pretty obvious.
Eli @ 2
Heh!
Operative. And political prostitute.
Giving up her source was just about the *only* thing Judy did that didn’t damage journalism…
How are we all this fine spring evening?
Eli @ 6
And that isn’t the only thing Judy gave up. Just sayin’.
Keller all but printed that in his explanation of how they could go so wrong in trusting her.
While we’re discussing this, didn’t Tim Russert do a similar bit of kabuki? My aging brain cells say he did, but they could very well be wrong.
We may speak of Miller and this individual’s sell out, rightly so. But the ‘mainstream’ members of my party have their own Millers’
Hey, egregious – I finally wrote that post I alluded to, related to Queen Of Angels. I considered posting it here, but decided I should probably choose a smaller venue for making a fool of myself.
Would be rather bizarre if Judith Miller was working covertly for the CIA.
spinoza @ 11
Good thing for her that this administration protects its spies so zealously.
Those like Miller go to the highest bidder.
Anyone know how Judy’s freelance career is going? Has she found the real killer…er, the WMDs yet?
What happened to TRex’s post on Ann Althouse? It came through RSS to Bloglines, but then I couldn’t click through to comments.
Eli @ 11
We are WAITING for you to post it here…
…tap, tap, tap…
To be a fool, a fool for love, love of liberty? A noble calling. Go for it.
spinoza @ 12
If she were, she wouldn’t be a neocon. To be a neocon requires one to ignore CIA warnings and to implicitly trust convicted felons and embezzlers. (See: Feith, Douglas; AKA: stupidest fucking man on the face of the earth.)
egregious @ 16
No, there are probably too many mental health professionals in the audience who would either point and laugh, or insist that I commit myself immediately…
I really see no difference in Judy and those in my party who bend over for K-Street.
laurie9 @ 16
I think it got released early and is back in the holding tank.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
They all look pretty much the same in that position…
Eli @ 13
One of the untold stories of this era is the internal struggle at the agency. The faithful patriotic remnant against…well I won’t try to characterize them, I’ll leave that to the grand jury at the Hague.
She could well be an spy…
not one of our regular ones, though.
Maybe for the WHIG or maybe for some other country or other interest(s).
she’s not a reporter.
Phoenix Woman @ 18
If she were, she wouldn’t be a neocon. To be a neocon requires one to ignore CIA warnings and to implicitly trust convicted felons and embezzlers. (See: Feith, Douglas; AKA: stupidest fucking man on the face of the earth.)
I thought that should have been his op-ed bio. “Douglas Feith is the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth.”
Sorry about that Late-Nite Fakeout. I thought I had set the timer on that post before I hit ‘Publish’.
Well, you kids who saw it don’t tell the others what it’s about. I want it to be a surprise.
angie @ 23
Is there such a thing as a NOC spokeswoman?
The Bush zampolit. Those who are loyal to Bush and/or PNAC and nothing else.
Frank Probst @ 24
There’s probably an ongoing war at Wikipedia…
Well, Judy could sign up at the Politico – they’re looking for folks with a Miller-like repuation for accuracy…
Eli @ 19
No, there are probably too many mental health professionals in the audience who would either point and laugh, or insist that I commit myself immediately…
I -AM- a mental health professional, and I offer you sanctuary in your own corner until you are ready to share your brilliance. Blanket, cookies, videogames, pleasant aromas, dancing girls…
….
Um, ready? We need you.
30 years back, when I was doing newspaper work, I learned from hard experience not to get used by a source to hammer someone using the source’s point of view, even though my source of factual information might be that source.
Noted here and elsewhere, Beltway journalism has devolved from being a reporter identifying and communicating facts and a narrative, into stenography of one side’s attacks on the other.
That’s what I love about FDL (contribution coming)–principled writing with fidelity to the facts.
egregious @ 30
Well, except now I’ve already posted it at my place; it would just be leftovers if I posted it here.
I think that if she were CIA, her own brethren would have outed her by now for what she did to a) Valerie Plame and b) the network of covert spies Plame ran in Iraq.
Back in the day, she would have been called a fellow traveler. Uh, sorry, that’s only for the left I guess…
Eli @ 29
There’s probably an ongoing war at Wikipedia…
You think the mods here have it bad.
(Also, I have my next two posts mapped out already…)
TRex @ 26
You mean we can’t mention the dirigibles, the goats, and the whipped peanut butter?
TRex @ 26
Do I have to re-comment? Not that mine are all that intelligent but…
Eli @ 33
Double dog dare you.
Do Senator’s Clinton, Lieberman and the DLC seem to be flying under the radar and being quite quiet these days. Or am I imagining things?
dakine01 @ 35
One of the things I love to do is to take old rignt-wing labels and judo them back onto the righties. So yeah, I’d call her a “fellow traveler” — or a “useful idiot”.
Eli @ 37
Ergo, they can be here first, yes?
[Leggo my ergo]
egregious @ 39
Heh. I just don’t think it’s really an FDL-worthy post – it’s mostly about the workings of my own head, best suited for my own blog.
Id, Ergo and Superergo?
Phoenix Woman @ 42
I think useful idiot is another way the right thought of the left in McCarthy’s day. As in all you fellow travelors are just useful idiots for the commie big shots in Moscow…
It’s not too far fetched that we might have foreign agents/ secret political operatives working for the media is it?
I don’t believe she is CIA as I intimated earlier, but I don’t think I need to don tinfoil to consider the other possibilities.
Phoenix Woman @
38
Or that hunky, totally ripped, blonde god-like creature whipping the peanut butter?
mind -> gutter
Must be spring.
angie @ 46
Nah, I don’t think Judy’s working for anyone outside the GOP.
angie @ 47
Well the Rumsfeld/Feith intelligence gathering branch at the Pentagon needed agents…
Monica Goodling pleading the fifth is the front page, lead story at cnn.com right now.
Traditional media is taking notice.
http://www.cnn.com/
The part of Fredo Corleone will be played by Alberto “Seedy” Gonzales:
Fredo Corleone: It ain’t the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect!
-GSD
Miller is a mole.
Eli @ 49
Nah, I don’t think Judy’s working for anyone outside the GOP.
How do we separate the possibilites?
USA Today poll:
14. Do you think Congress should — or should not — investigate the involvement of White House officials in this matter?
Yes, should – 72%; No, should not – 21%
-GSD
Chris “The Drooler” Matthews and Noron “Ha-Ha” O’Donnell would say otherwise.
TRex @
26
I love surprises.
Phoenix Woman @
7
Phoenix Woman,
I, for one, am just duck soup. It looks like we’ll be America back. And no small thanks to you and everyone at FDL.
TeddySanFran @ 55
So…it was really there? I wasn’t hallucinating?
Most of Miller’s reporting in the last fifteen years or so is sort of a variant on Laurie Mylroie’s crackpot notions, and that probably explains her indifference to information which contradicts the neo-cons’ views.
It’s sad that the NYT didn’t figure this out a long time ago… but, even if they had, that probably wouldn’t have been enough to change the behavior of the Times with regard to passing on the administration’s pronouncements on Iraq. If Miller hadn’t been taking out Cheney’s trash, Michael Gordon would have.
If one looks at what Hillary says now and say ten or 12 years ago, what is one to make of the contrast?
If a source lies to you intentionaly do they deserve to be protected.
angie @ 47
Oh, there are definitely CIA folk in the media. Walter Pincus is thought to be one. I just doubt that Judy is one, is all.
This is a ridiculous argument. She was protecting the name of her sources, not out of some journalistic ethics, but because she knew the sources were bogus and her story would have less credence if we knew who was feeding her the “intelligence”. It has been quite obvious from the beginning that she was working as an operative, at least in my opinion.
That I don’t know, OK @ 53…
But it is surely not the first time I’ve considered it.
I mean we do know the corporations control a lot of our media, what’s to say that there are not other even more nefarious tentacles to this beast of propaganda and spin?
Really PW? Walter Pincus? I never knew that…
I would feel better if Judith Miller was a paid operative working for the CIA or another government agency. Not because I would have the slightest bit of respect for her, but at least it would mean she had a clear, if submerged, set of loyalties and she was using any means at her disposal.
Her sanctimonious stance is what is ultimately most disturbing, and the idea amongst others in the MSM that what she does constitutes journalism is equally distressing.
Rayne @ 48
And how are we supposed to get any work done?
Spring has sprung
The grass is riz
I wonder how
Fitzpatrick is
[apologies to the wapo writer “how the pandas is” henry? something]
[da, da, lhp already told me to get my mind out of the gutter. If we cd only get our nation out of the gutter.]
TRex @ 26
What happens between the threads changes all the threads.
And the circle is sacred.
What happens between the threads, stays between the threads.
Now, may I interest you in tickets to the next eye of newt social?
What passes these days for ‘radical’ is merely common sense. There are ‘agents’ all around. Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean “they’re” not after me.
things come undone @ 60
Hell no. But Judy-wuudy was so wedded to the neocon/Bush agenda, and to the idea of access to the powerful, that she gleefully junked her duties as a journalist.
steve ex-expat @ 62
It’s obvious to most of us, but I wanted to put some of the information eggs that show this in one easy-to-find basket that people (even if it’s just me) can bookmark for future reference.
Montag@58
Is Mylroie an alcoholic? Her book reads like it was written by one & she looks like one the times I’ve seen her on TV.
Joe Scarborough just showed a series of Katie Couric’s “some say” questions to Elizabeth and John Edwards on 60 Minutes. I hope that phrase becomes permanently associated with her and that she never lives it down. “Some say Katie Couric is a tool…”
angie @ 47
Well, no, ever since Operation Mockingbird became public knowledge. The CIA’s been buying friendly journalists for a long, long time (they say they stopped after the 1975 hearings, but I wouldn’t believe that for a second).
But, it doesn’t make sense that she was doing the CIA’s bidding here. The CIA ended up with its ass in a crack–in part, because of her reporting. This was WH stuff, and it was they who pointed her to Chalabi and Curveball and his other lying friends. And, there’s no doubt that the Heritage Foundation and the Manhattan Institute, etc., have her on speed dial….
This is somewhat unrealted to Judy Miller but pertinent to the Plame case. There is one thing I have been wondering for some time ever since Murray Waas’s article on the inhouse investigation of AG came to light. One of things in that article was the WH officials used RNC email to conduct official business. Now, I am wondering if they turned over emails regarding Valerie Plame from those accounts to Patrick Fitzgerald during the invesigation.
angie @ 63
;0)
Speaking of journalistic fraud, Poolboy Vandehei and Mike “Ball Cupper” Allen are having a tough time at Politico these days.
They are laying stink bomb after stink bomb.
They are making Judith Miller look acurate.
-GSD
Damn! I want photos!
Okay, finally on topic…I vote operative, and I would have voted operative long before the run-up to the Iraq War.
There was a post at Attytood at least a couple years ago that discussed Miller’s “attendance” at an interrogation of a Palestinian by Israelis. I wish I could remember all the details; I’d point you to the page, but the post has been excised.
???
Here’s a description that was posted at another site:
First, what the hell was a reporter doing sitting in on a torture session, and then never reporting on the torture?
Second, what the hell happened to the post? All that’s left are the comments that were attached to the post. I’ve looked several times for this and it disappeared…what agency could do that? I don’t think I’ve ever seen Will Bunch acknowledge scrubbing it, have you?
Ahem.
This is somewhat unrealted to Judy Miller but pertinent to the Plame case. There is one thing I have been wondering ever since Murray Waas’s article on the inhouse investigation of AG came to light. One of things in that article was the WH officials used RNC email to conduct official business. Now, I am wondering if they turned over emails regarding Valerie Plame from those accounts to Patrick Fitzgerald during the investigation.
neurophius @ 71
Joe Scar did something good?
faints
eCAHNomics @ 70
Dunno. Does it matter? Going by her work alone, it’s apparent that something’s awry.
Judy in that photo looks mysterious, almost like a spy. Do you think she wanted to be secretly like Valerie Plame? Was her meeting with Libby one of excitement and intrigue? Was she the new Agent 99? If only she could have been a Bond Girl then she would have never been a shill!! Oh poor Judy!!
laurie9 @
16
Maybe it came up before it was supposed to. Naughty TRex.
neurophius @ 71
I understand I may be laboring under some sort of idiocy. But why does Couric get paid for her tripe? ;0)
neurophius @ 71
That phrase still reminds me of Outfoxed by Robert Greenwald.
He did a compilation of Fox Bots running that line over and over. It was brutal.
I forgot until tonight that Katie lost her husband due to cancer. Some people say that she used the sympathy to advance her career.
-GSD
Rayne @ 77
My guess is that Judy and/or her MYT bosses complained and said it couldn’t be proved, and Bunch’s bosses scrubbed it.
(on edit: Here’s what you get when you Google the opening sentence of that paragraph.)
Phoenix Woman @ 79
Blind hog finding an acorn?
dakine01 @ 39
No, I’m leaving the comments that got in so far. I don’t have the heart to delete them. Too bad there won’t be a Zero to race for, though.
I really don’t like being so blunt… but sometimes I can’t help it. Miller is a whore.
The question corporate journalism keeps asking is Bullshit! They want everyone to focus on their rights as journalists to cover up the fact that they are corporatist whores.
Miller was whored while she worked for the NYTimes. The money shot is for the corporatists to cover up the smudge on their face by obfuscation, like all good avaricious corporatists.
She was whored, along with her employer, the NYTimes. They want to shift the issue to one of protecting their bottom line. They need to access lying pols to make money.
Fuck the corporate whores, whore journalists and the lying pols. If lying wasn’t a currency in DC, these whores would not be making profit off it, year in, and year out.
What, no mention of Needlenose, where yours truly was nailing this angle in 2003, before anyone else?!
Sigh.
1,466 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo and the Firepup Patriots:
“Do Senator’s Clinton, Lieberman and the DLC seem to be flying under the radar and being quite quiet these days?”
Yes indeed brother, but not to worry, there is not a snowball’s chance in a hot place that either Mrs. Clinton or Joe Likuderman will get the Democratic Party’s nomination fer anything in 2008. Al Gore is gunna run the table after he declares in September-October, 2008 if he isn’t in the White House already.
KEEP THE FAITH, THE BASTARDS ARE GOIN’ DOWN!!!
Phoenix Woman @ 85
Is Judy a sadist? She gets off on torture and death?
Swopa @ 90
Swopa, You Are The MAN!!
AZ Matt @ 91
One is often defined by one’s friends….
Although this does not include anyone from NYT it is this post gives an interesting look at the MSM/neo-con connection.
AZ Matt @ 92
Who knows? But Googling the first sentence of the excised post brings up all sorts of stuff about the incident.
neurophius @ 71
I think Bush owns the Copyright on “some people say ” and the derivatives thereof ; )
ouch
montag @ 80
Idle curiosity. Just an hypothesis I’ve had ever since I read her book but I’ve never seen anything on it. BTW, Mylroie was absent from the scene for a large part of the pre-war runup, whereas you would have expected her to be all over the place.
Phoenix Woman @ 38
OK, this sounds like a good reason to stay up late night.
Great post, Phoenix Woman… on the heels of Emptywheel’s great post (was that yesterday or the day before? I can’t remember). The Loyal Bushies (TM) managed to turn journalism on its head and get the MSM to initially jump to the notion of “protecting journalists sources” when those so-called journalists were actually shilling for the government. Fascinating.
I’m curious how most journalists view Miller today.
I’d better stop typing now. I’m suffering with my first flu of a couple of years – I have a fever of almost 101, and my head & chest is killing me. Funny how the cats want to cuddle when I’m sick – but I don’t exactly feel like having a warm 18 pound fuzzball laying down on my chest right now!
I think I’ll make more tea and refrain from commenting until the whipped peanut butter covered men come out to play.
WTF?
Over a decade of very real world activism (lots of clinically paranoid conspiracy theories) and half my week around patients who are often psychotic. Conspiracy theories bore me.
Your comment is NOT conspiracy theory.
Rayne, I agree with you 100%
Judy Miller is (or was) an intel asset; if not for US “mainline” spooks, then for the AIPAC/VP/”stovepipe” spooks.
Or both.
Good catch.
Rayne @ 77
bolding – kjm
Swopa @ 90
Uh-oh! Swopa’s going to hunt me down with his sharp and pointy proboscis! I may not live the night.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
You didn’t know me then, but I was saying the same thing in real time. In fact I called her a breathless whore, because every time they found a rusty barrel in Iraq, she would write a breathless story for the front page of NYT–this is it! this is it! this is really it!! this time they found the WMD!!!!!
I mean September-October 2007 …(good lord, growin old is a mother and I can’t type either)
LandOfTheFree @ 100
((((hug))))
Get some hot tea and try gargling warm salt water!
eCAHNomics @ 97
As I recall, she was busily churning out papers and talking points at her make-work job at AEI. Not that any of them were suitable for more than internal use.
I dunno. But, I’ll bet she was calling Doug Feith twenty times a day…. :)
Puesto @ 89
The Bush family got a two-fer from Judy Miller: War on Iraq plus the destruction of the NYT’s credibility. The Bushes have always hated the power the NYT wields over the chatterati; said power is much lessened by their complicity in the runup to the War.
montag @
94
Which explains why Novak and Rich Lowry at the National Review are calling Chimpy “incomptent”.
Which we know is the nicest possible thing that could be said about Bush these days.
He wasn’t incompetent, he was doing all this horrible shit with deliberation.
-GSD
This is similar to the two-fer they got when they conned Tony “Poodle Boy” Blair into backing their PNAC Platoon Plan to invade Iraq. They got some extra warm bodies, plus the chance to destroy the once-wildly-popular Blair (and take down what was left of the Labour Party he’d been triangulating into irrelevance).
All of the Republicans, and almost all of the Democrats fail to come to grips with the injustice of what’s being done to the Palestinians. I want this horror perpetrated in my name stopped.
Well, later taters! Play nice with the blonde men, the dirigibles, and the whipped peanut butter until TRex shows up! (I’ll try to sneak back later if I can; otherwise, adios, amoebas!)
Australian detainee Hicks pleads guilty in Guantanimo Bay.
He pleaded guilty to a late night specially convened military commission after an apparent deal was reached between his defence attorney and the prosecution.
The US now finds people guilty in secret tribunals in the dead of the night.
Welcome my friends, to the machine.
-GSD
o/t
LMAO as I drive by -
Waxman Asks WH for MZM/$140 Office Furniture Contract Info
Why should she let her bosses know? “Beating up an Arab” was part of her job description…
“You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover – Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program…”
God, I miss her.
cbl @ 113
I saw elsewhere that the info for MZM has been dissappeared from the records.
-GSD
How can we get the Pulitzer Committe to admit that they made a mistake and take away Judy’s Pulitzer. bush the Times and Judy would all be shamed then and the lies about WMD story would get play again further weaking bush.
GSD @ 108
“Incompetent” works for me. As the defacto head of the Republican Party (Bush) they’ll be out of power for at least a generation “some people say”
My RSS says there’s a Trex piece [Late Nite FDL: Lethal Levels of Peroxide and Petulance] that’s nowhere to be found on the site.
Is the NSA acting up again? Or was it something he said?
Coz,
While I appreciate any Republicans stepping away from Bush, because it helps to sap him of his vampire powers bestowed on him by Darth Cheney. It is still a very cheap and sleazy cop-out.
Suddenly the Republican Party notices this prick is incompetent? Seven years into the game?
They’d be cupping his nuts if he and Rove had pulled off the ‘06 elections.
-GSD
GSD -
Laura Rozen was mistaken – contract is still available for perusal
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/005883.html
Just a warning for all the Bush Administration Sinners, of which there are many, the Pope has a special word for you:
Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, the Pope has said
BE WARNED and repent to Waxman, soon to be Saint Henry.
I want out of Iraq now. I want my party to prevent unprovoked attacks other countries. I want a just and fair settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
GSD @ 119
GSD- sometimes when newbies come onto this site, they complain that “I don’t get a response”. And people say, “but we do read the comments, even if we don’t respond.”
I would just like to weigh in and say how much I enjoy your comments, tho I hardly ever respond to them. Because they don’t need further comment, because the point is clear.
Kudos from a long-time faithful reader of GSD’s comments. Much enjoyed and appreciated.
GSD,
It was obvious to me after Iraq and for sure, Katrina, the guy was incompetent. That doesn’t mean it’s mutually exclusive of anything else in addition to that ; )
AZ Matt @ 119
These guys would be perfectly happy with hell on earth (doing a pretty good job, so far), just so long as they could run the joint.
Still/again OT for Kirk Murphy.
Addy dint woik!
Go here http://www.westernroundtable.n…..&gen=1
(and anyone else who cares about the environment and our fellow passengers on this bright blue ship) for the latest push from the “Wise Use” movement.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
Am not sorry, CBS brought this on itself. She is a caricature of a news person, even in comparison with all the other bad ones.
Mickey @
118
Premature publication…
Mickey @
118
Please click on this link to see what TRex said:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-585653
apologize if this has been posted before:
http://www.commondreams.org/ar…..03/26/102/
If the Pulitzer is to have any meaning as an award for excelence in journalism then letting a I have one source (the whitehouse) thats biased (the WH was pushing for war at the time). I see no need to identify my source as the WH or point out their bias. Never mind not getting independent confirmation of the “facts”. Oh and the story she won the Pulitzer with turns out to be a complete Lie told to her by her one source. Does the Pulitzer committe have any integrity or have they been infiltrated by “loyal bushies”
angie @ 63,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
Hypatia -
thanks for the alert.
For pups: the “wise-use” movement is astroturf (Faux citizen paticipation) bought and paid for by off-road vehicle manufacturers and privatization front groups…..with the big bucks coming from ranching and mining.
Hypatia, my outgong email sever is often hinky: tonight is extra-hinky.
Email is kmurphy (spambotsblow) riseup (spammers=purulence)
net.
If that still fails, let me know and I’ll start another one.
Margot @ 132
Thanks so much! I did a bit o’ research b/c montag mentioned it.
The Israeli government seems bent on a preoccupation with drawing a compliant Bush Administration and America into a possible Middle East war, or worse. I am sick to death of it.
Big News! The Republican Front Runners are about to get their tushes kicked:
Valley Girl,
Awe, shucks. Thank you very mucho.
-GSD
GSD @
115
It’s back. It apparently just got hard-to-find, as things sometimes will.
Judy: Op for parties yet cloaked, would be my guess. Too many trumped-up incidents surround her, some of which are recounted here—and don’t forget that “anthrax” letter, an inexcusable overplay. (Doubt that who ever they are are the slickest types.) And, aren’t some excrescences like Frankel’s column and some of the other more cloying attempts to paint her a 1st Amendment martyr also attempts to rehabilitate her for later use, without any real rehabilitation taking place.?
things come undone @
116
That will never happen so long as people like William Safire sit on the Pulitzer Committee.
OT – Countdown is on again, now
Dan Abrams is tinkering! LOL ; )
angie @ 129
Well, it’s not so much that they’re anti-death penalty – they just thought it was an excessive punishment for voter fraud.
AZ Matt @ 134
So, Tancredo’s lead balloon of a campaign needs a whole lot of hot air to get off the ground. Bay should supply plenty of that….
heh, Eli.
booshco and abu just like the death part it seems– no matter where, no matter why.
angie @ 142
Killing someone is the ultimate expression of power. It’s like a bully’s wet dream.
Especially when there is never any remorse, Eli.
None.
Sociopathic bullies.
A close reading of “Countering WMD Proliferation After Iraq” by Judith Miller in In Search of an American Grand Strategy in the Middle East: A Report of the Aspen Strategy Group, edited by Kurt M. Campbell, March 2004 is important because 1) Miller is writing as a US strategist, not as a New York Times reporter 2) Miller extracts lessons from her two month embed with a US military unit searching for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq from March to May of 2003 (the Expeditionary Task Force’s Mobile Exploration Team Alpha) into lessons to be applied to US policy vis a vis Iran 3) While laying to rest persistent questions about Miller’s strange correspondence with Lewis Libby, it points to a specific line of questioning for Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald about whether Miller may have shared her strategic conclusions – which appear to be premature and risky – with Lewis Libby and Vice President Richard Cheney when they all happened to be vacationing in Jackson Hole, Wyoming in August 2003.
The scope of the Aspen paper illustrates that Miller – along with a number of other high powered and influential Aspen Institute conference participants – was contributing to a counterproliferation policy agenda which was broader than simply reporting on WMD in Iraq. In In Search of An American Grand Strategy in the Middle East, Miller is speaking as a US strategist, not a reporter. Miller shows little interest in whether David Kay’s Iraq Survey Group would find the WMD that the XTF was unable to find under her embedding, but is eager to apply the lessons learned to other “American counter-proliferation efforts elsewhere in the Middle East.” (p. 51)
Miller, the security strategist, makes the following points.
1. “Patriotic but often ill-informed” a majority of Americans will support preventive war…”against terrorist threats potentially involving unconventional weapons.” (p. 52) but that their support would erode “if Americans are eventually persuaded that the war in Iraq was….a fraud, an invasion sold to the public by false or cherry-picked intelligence.” (p. 52) As one of the most prolific and widely read reporters in the run-up to the Iraq war, Miller is surprisingly focused on gauging public support for the war rather than critiquing her own reporting, now discredited even by her New York Times editors.
2. Lessons learned even before David Kay’s Iraq Survey Group had concluded its investigations and reached its conclusion that there were no WMDs in Iraq were to be applied to counterproliferation policy vis a vis Iran. Miller recommends permanent regional and international US weapons hunting teams, with enhanced powers, coordination, training and flexibility and even with embedded reporters because: “For the US, the presence of journalists would help avoid charges of having planted incriminating evidence against proliferators.” (p. 58).
3. Miller also recommends expansion and intensification of the 1991 Nunn-Lugar “Cooperative Threat Reduction Program” by which the US buys “spent” nuclear materials from the former Soviet Union member states as a key component of US counterproliferation policy claiming that, “No other single program has been as useful for overt intelligence gathering – what journalists call “ask-int” – fostering international cooperation and coalition building, self-policing, denying dangerous materials and expertise to would be proliferators, and fostering scientific cooperation that has led to improvements in WMD defenses and counter-measures.” (p. 57) This last point – linking the buy back of nuclear materials to any kind of intelligence gathering however facetiously – seems particularly ill advised especially in the aftermath of the WMD debacle in Iraq.
The fact that Miller ran into Libby accidentally at a rodeo in Jackson Hole, Wyoming in August 2003 while Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife Lynne were also vacationing at their nearby home, and that Libby asked Miller specifically about the Aspen strategy conference suggests that some of Miller’s strategic lessons and ideas may have made their way into discussions of the White House Iraq Group.
kirk murphy @ 133
Je ne comprends pas. . . (sorry Punaise, been a long time). Kirk, can’t translate that! Connect with me in the Banana Republic of Florida at jbuhrman AT tampabay DOT rr dot com. We have much in common
angie @ 144
Remorse is an admission of error.
Did you say operative? According to Carl Bernstein, over 400 reporters were working for the CIA as part of Operation Mockingbird. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O…..a_contacts
And, Wayne Mddsen is reporting on connections between members of the corporate media and their neo-con relatives at
http://waynemadsenreport.com/Politjournincest.php
(rimshot)
Late night humor from U.S. News & World Report:
Sampson also is likely to portray the whole U.S. Attorney firings as a “mundane pseudo-scandal,” and say that no one in the administration was guilty of anything other than faulty political judgment and of organizing a flawed bureaucratic response to the allegations of malfeasance. “I don’t think he’s aware of any improper motivations for the firings,” says Sampson’s associate, “nor is he aware of anybody doing anything other than doing their level best to give accurate information to Congress, no matter how badly the effort got botched.”
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..ampson.htm
spinoza @ 12
I believe she & Woody both are. I think Woody was trained in journalism aboard a Navy Ship.
greenwarrior @ 149
Really. Has he been under hypnosis or something?
According to Carl Bernstein, over 400 reporters were working for the CIA as part of Operation Mockingbird. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O…..a_contacts
And Wayne Madsen is seeking additions for inclusion on his list of corporate media and their neo-con relatives at http://waynemadsenreport.com/Politjournincest.php
Eli @ 153
It might be the Kool-Aid.
landofthefree @ 100
Funny how the cats want to cuddle when I’m sick
Yours do that too? It seems to be a cat thing: taking care of their people. Get them to lie next to you, if you can.
GSD @ 137
Thanks to you too, from a long-time fan.
If the Democrats are not part of the Israeli-Palestinian solution, then what are they?
P J Evans @ 154
When I was a kid, I had a cat who was so maternal that she actually licked my eyelids clean when they gunked shut.
Not sure if that’s more “Eww” or “Aww”…
P J Evans @ 156
It’s true of both cats and dogs, isn’t it? Everytime I feel sick or sad, well they become more attentive, loving and watchful.
Feel better LandofTheFree.
OK @ 158– they are part of the problem. ;(
And where is the stand alone legislation wrt Iran promised by Nancy???
Eli @159 – as a cat lover myself, I’d say that’s more “Awww” ;-)
Eli @ 158
I vote Aww.
I once had a very maternal dog. She used to edge momma cat away and surround all the little kittens. She did the same thing with her dog girlfriends with puppies. Somehow they all let her do it. No, I didn’t get pics of her with the kittens. It was really sweet.
Eli @ 153
Oh no, he’s not. Is he actually going to try ro lie to Waxman on Thursday? Big Hank will wipe the floor with him. Gotta set my TIVO.
LoudounLib @ 159
She was very good to me. She also took care of the giant flying cockroach for me – that was much appreciated as well.
Eli @ 158
Aww….
(I’m kinda envious.)
Eli @ 163
what did she feed it?
C&L has a video up of Keith O kicking the Bugman’s butt.
Auf Wiki:
A purr is a sound made by some species of felines and is a part of cat communication. It may also have a medical significance.
Maggie Atwood goes into purring as a healing tool in Oryx and Crake.
Oh please, let Sampson be that stupid. Waxman’s got us Hoovering and indexing both document dumps; he knows more about Sampson now than Sampson does himself.
greenwarrior,
I had a dog like that, too. She actually took over a litter of pups from our other dog, who seemed very glad of it! Produced milk and everything.
Margot @ 168
milk even! wow!
Eli – that’s an “Awww” unless it’s your eyes, I’d guess. One of my boys has a serious licking habit, and his tongue is very rough. Add that to the catbreath, and it would be hard to grin & take it!
The two cats are now just watching me, as it’s about time for their “dinner”. They’ll skip the cuddling when it’s time for grub, that’s for sure.
I’m turning in for the night. Enjoy those peanut butter dipped men in the thread-to-come!
greenwarrior @
151
A good little Rover, eh?
-GSD
LandOfTheFree @ 169
I don’t remember it being unpleasant at all, actually. And quite a relief – not being able to open your frickin’ eyes is pretty damn miserable.
Peanut butter and dirigibles comin’ right up!
LoudounLib @ 160
>^..^
new
zthreadthe circle is open, yet unbroken
Cozumel @ 175
sweet, cozumel
TRex is upstairs (and no longer suffering from that little being premature problem)
Suzanne @
178
Hooray!
Judy Miller: Reporter or Partisan Operative?
“reportisan”
Phoenix Woman @ 179
The relief of the delay
kemo @
114
Very funny!
Actually, when her book comes out (and don’t doubt for a second that someone known as a writer isn’t going to write some good fiction) I for one will read it. I don’t know why except maybe it’s for the same reason I watch a whodunnit or other suspense movie — I can’t stand walking away and not finding out what’s gonna happen next. This is a truly surreal time and her part in it is tragi-comic farcical and bizarre (sadist-writer, CIA operative or just a whore? It’s too much).
An interesting tale of CIA domestic operations in the 1950’s-1960’s that I discovered today while doing research on a completely different project.
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/nsa/nsa.html
I think that probably she was working for Karl Rove.
(2 new posts in my blog since I saw y’all the other day!)
If a source lies to you, their lie becomes the story.
What do I know. I only have 20 years experience in investigative journalism.
EPU’ed but what the heck.
I doubt if Judith Miller ever had a relationship with CIA. She is far too ideological, and they totally avoid recruitment among those with a potentially conflicting agenda. But Miller did serve for a number of years as NYTimes Bureau Chief in Cairo, and one would expect she perhaps knew some of the officers, and from time to time she might have been debriefed. I can’t believe she would have had better access than what they could organize on their own terms. CIA used Journalists in the past in what were termed “denied areas” — E. Europe and Soviet Union, where Journalists had a slight bit more freedom to travel about, talk with people, attend various meetings and all than would have been the case for Diplomats and CIA Officers. But CIA also used Missionaries, Scientists, Businesspersons, Travel Agents — they had a whole host of covers.
And I rather wish people would consider a little reality — do you want a US political establishment that can’t get open information, let’s say about the immediate politics. economic conditions — of this or that country — and so depends on CIA to gather information, and provide a vetted analysis; or do you think US Policy should be made without this resource? No I am not talking about CIA covert operations here — though sometimes covert information is necessary to good analysis. And yes, there is much to condemn in covert operations (we probably only know about the ones that went bad) and in my mind, even more problems with some of the paramilitary stuff. But folk need to know that much CIA does is about information gathering and analysis. If you need an example of the kind of Product CIA normally produces, I’d suggest a reading of their AIDS in Africa analysis produced and released to the public at the end of the Clinton Administration. (It’s on the net someplace). It is a good example of the kind of analytic work they do.
So as to Judith Miller. Look at the whole body of her work, and you’ll see some of the problems. She clearly has some sort of relationship with the Likud party in Israel as well as AIPAC — part of it is access, another part is advocacy of particular lines. The agenda has shown itself since the 1980’s. I dislike recommending terrible books — but in 1988 she wrote a really terrible one, titled One by One by One. Her topic was comparative memory of the Holocaust in five countries (including the USA) and all I can say is that it is a dangerous mess, particularly if you don’t know good scholarship in this area. It was a political hit-piece of sorts which she tried to wrap in a psudo-academic style. If someone wanted to spend a year at it — a critical review of Judith’s whole body of work would be very revealing and interesting, but it might be hard to get published, and you would have to deal with attacks.
You’re correct spinoza, it would be weird if it turned out she is a CIA Mockingbird, wouldn’t it?
On the other hand, I suspect it is more likely she, like her good buddy the dual Israeli/US citizen Lewis Libby, are MOSSAD.
Just exactly what was her true involvement with the David Kelly story? I’ve always believed this is somehow related to the Plame outing, but I’m not sure how.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..cleId=3549
Sara at #186:
Great post. Maybe she’s CIA (neocon wing), maybe she’s Mossad, maybe both, but she’s definitely an “operative” in a more specific sense than “Phoenix Woman” probably meant to imply.
Finally. Thanks!
Re Judy and AIPAC and the Likud:
Remember the recent trial in Chicago of the Arab grocer (Salah) who was acquitted of lending material support to Hamas. JUDY was the star witness.
For some reason, the Israeli government, the prime minister no less, gave her access to this guy when he was in custody and being interrogated by the Shin Bet for several days straight for allegedly helping the Palestinians. They even invited her to ASK QUESTIONS.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2…..-f03.shtml
The Libby case is not the only criminal proceeding in which Fitzgerald has compelled Judith Miller to testify. She took the stand last November in the trial of Muhammad Hamid Khalil Salah, suburban Chicago grocer, and Abdelhaleem Ashqar, a former university professor from suburban Washington, DC, on charges that the two men had organized financial support for Hamas, the group that is currently the elected leadership of the Palestinian Authority, but classified as a terrorist organization by the US government. Coincidentally, that trial ended Thursday with a jury acquitting the two men of all terrorism charges, while finding them guilty of lesser offenses of lying to federal investigators.
This trial, which attempted to retroactively criminalize support allegedly given to Hamas in the early 1990s, deserves separate analysis. The significance of Miller’s role is that she was called as a rebuttal witness to challenge Salah’s claims that he had been tortured by the Israeli secret service Shin Bet, whose evidence was a major part of the prosecution case. Two Israeli secret policemen testified in the trial, with their faces and voices disguised.
Miller described witnessing an interrogation of Salah by Shin Bet in 1993, while she was reporting for the New York Times from Israel. He didn’t appear to be a torture victim, she said, “He was boasting. He was jaunty. There was no reason to believe that he had been subjected to that kind of treatment.”
Aside from the dubious value of this testimony—Salah was interrogated for weeks, while Miller saw him for a few minutes—there is the extraordinary fact that Miller was invited by then Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Shin Bet chief Yaakov Perry to sit in on a Shin Bet interrogation of a “terrorist,” and the Shin Bet agents even suggested that she could ask questions.
Under cross-examination, Miller claimed that her visit to the Shin Bet interrogation center had been approved by a Times editor. Which editor, she was asked. “I don’t recall,” she answered. “We had a lot of editors.” She admitted that the interrogation had been conducted in Arabic, which she does not speak, and that she relied on the translation of a Shin Bet interpreter. She also claimed she could not recall whether she tape-recorded any part of the session, although she had described using a tape recorder in a 1998 radio interview. Miller was asked directly, by Salah’s attorney Michael Deutsch, “Have you ever been used as a Mossad asset?” Miller said no.
Miller wrote about the interrogation of Salah in a 1993 article for the Times, although she concealed the fact that she had actually been present at the session. In a 1996 book of her reporting on the Middle East as a Times reporter, however, she recounts the incident in detail, noting the invitation to join in the formulation of questions to the suspect, and asking the self-damning question, “Where was the line between journalism and participating in an official inquiry, and, for all I knew, torture?”
Who would let a journalist into a scene like that? No one. She is an agent of Israel, probably Mossad.