
I'm beginning to wonder if the US Attorney firing/force-out scandal may well be the Grand Unifying Scandal that connects most if not all of the other Bush scandals.
Like a loose bit of yarn on a sweater, pulling on it tugs at a whole bunch of other things involving the Bush Junta's extreme politicization of the Justice Department -- not to mention the rest of the Federal government -- and the extreme efforts made by the top players to avoid facing any kind of penalties for wrongdoing.
These are what come most readily to my mind concerning the wide-ranging nature of the USA scandal:
-- There's PhoneGate: Looks like BushCo's people may well have applied pressure to get an RNC operative off on a technicality.
-- There's the similarly-stinky-smelling effort to give Jack Abramoff a cushy deal. [03/30/07 UPDATE: And now there's another Abramoff connection, in the form of Abramoff's involvement in the 2002 firing of a US Attorney before he could take down an Abramoff pal, the corrupt then-governor of Guam. Brilliant.]
-- There's the alleged BushCo sabotage of the tobacco suit.
-- There's the attempt by the Bush Junta to pressure the USAs into investigating bogus "voter fraud scandals" designed to damage Democrats.
-- There's the Bush Junta's cutting short Carol Lam's probes in the Duke Cunningham and Dusty Foggo scandals -- probes that were poised to take down other corrupt congresscritters -- by firing Lam as part of the US Attorney massacre.
-- There's even a Patrick Fitzgerald connection.
The key, I believe, is Karl Rove. This is perhaps a bit like saying that water is wet to most clued-in FDL readers, but he's looking more and more like the ultimate loose bit of yarn whose tugging causes the whole sweater to unravel. Not even Cheney is as necessary to the continued functioning of the junta. Rove is the Bush White House, for all intents and purposes; that's why he's protected so carefully.
Look at the list of scandals above. Notice the ones in which he now know him to have played at least a minor (and probably major) role:
-- There's USA-Gate in general, of course, and most especially the Arkansas chapter of USA-Gate, wherein even DoJ now admits that a perfectly good prosecutor was dumped so Rove's unqualified minion could take the job. And Rove was in on USA-Gate from the very beginning.
-- Speaking of USA-Gate, one reason Rove was so interested in seeing Bush zampolit installed as US Attorneys was to further the GOP's pet cause of pushing politically-motivated, evidence-thin "voter fraud" prosecutions against Democrats.
-- We know that Rove was sufficiently buddy-buddy with Jack Abramoff (who boasted of his ties to Rove and to Bush and Company in general) to hire Susan Ralston, Abramoff's former assistant, as his White House assistant. Ralston no longer works for Rove , having been caught, um, working on behalf of her old boss. (Speaking of Abramoff: Another former College Republican president, Ron Nehring, was apparently the architect of the plan to zap Carol Lam -- and is now the brand-new head of the California Republican Party. And of course Rove in his younger days was high in the hierarchy of that gang of dirty-tricks artistes. Ah, connections.)
-- And as Joe Conason reminds us at Salon, Rove lied like a rug early and often in the Plame case -- which as I've already noted has the Fitz connection to USA-Gate.
These are just some of the reasons why Bush doesn't dare let Rove testify under oath before Congress, much less in an open hearing before Congress. It would be the end of BushCo.
By the way: As Christy just mentioned this morning, Monica Goodling, the DoJ's White House liaison (meaning the DoJ's Rove liaison), just went on an extended leave of absence. This is right after her role as the go-between with Gonzales and the Bush White House in the US Attorney firings was spotlighted. Hmmm.
The heat must be getting to Karl — Specter and Hagel were out on the talk-show circuit dissing Gonzales this morning, so it sure sounds like Rove’s ready to jettison the Gonzo firewall.
Here’s a thought: If Gonzo had left last week over this, the whole bidness would have likely settled down and Rove would be safe. But it would be yet another humiliating loss of a good buddy for Bushie, as Gonzales has been him nearly long as Rove, IIRC. Now, too many reporters are joining with their blogger brethren into focusing on Turdblossom’s role in all of this.
What really hurts the Blossom is that this comes so soon after the Libby trial, and the whole ‘why isn’t Karl on trial here?’ theme of jury nullification the Libby team tried to use. That didn’t have time to fade from the public mind before this came up.
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Phoenix Woman!
katymine @ 1
Katymine!
Grand Unified Scandal Theory — a GUST of fresh air.
I would like to see Waxman or Conyers start asking some questions about why there haven’t been more indictments coming out of the Abramoff case, what with Jack being so cooperative and all.
I was sure a whole bunch of names were going to come out before the 2006 election and take a bunch of corrupt Republicans out of circulation, and… nothing. And *still* nothing, even now that the election is safely past.
On the other hand, if they want to keep a lid on the names until, say, early next fall, I’d be okay with that…
Some FDL readers may not know what a “Zampolit” is. It’s a russian word associated with the dreaded “Political Officer” position. Zampolits made sure everyone, from the general to the private, toed the Party Line. They were immune from even the faint shreds of due process and legal rights in the old soviet union, and to most of the unwritten old-boy patronage protections as well. They could literally whip out their guns and kill on the spot, with impunity, just because. Imagine how much fun life was with them around. And Karlosivitch Rovski is clearly cut from that political cloth. I’m just waiting for him to appoint Rush Limbaugh as the “Minister of Truth”.
Unitary Executive = Unified Scandal?
Bush is more of a Urinary Executive, really…
My two cents on this whole USA-Gate or Gonzales 8 scandal…
If Gonzo had resigned right away …
If they had found positions for the terminated USA’s and/or not sited the firing reason poor performance …..
This whole thing would of skated through without anyone knowing. BushCo/Rove would of replaced the outgoing USA’s with political appointees, they get their 2 years experience, Bush does a ton of recess appointments to the bench prior to leaving to any and all lifetime positions.
Goal: they have finally stacked the bench against any future prosecution.
Let’s see.. In support of your theory, Bill Maher used a metaphor Friday Night for… what did he call it?… “Scandal and Fuck-up of The Week” restaurant….
“I think I’ll have the Harriet Meirs Meat Loaf… or, no! Maybe I’ll order the Katrina Crab Cakes..”
On point, with regard to DOJ, it seems to be the clearing house of Rove’s Fascist, authoritarian agenda… Sort of where the Fascist rubber meets the road.
The Texas method of having partisan elections for judges was Rove’s training ground.. He taught Chimpy everything he knows… Which, granted, is not a lot… But he is still teaching..
oregondave @ 3
Let’s hope it’s a gust that clears out the bad odor left by BushCo.
New String Theory…
…just keep pulling on it.
If you want to destroy my sweater (or crime family government)…
Wo-wo-wo.
Watch me unravel, I’ll soon be naked.
I’ve been contemplating that loose-yarn-in-the-sweater image since it became clear how pivotal these DOJ firings and intimidations were to the Rove Plan for Caligulan Dictatorship… And now, with the discovery of the
super-extra-secret email server at GWB43, the contents of which will hopefully (they damn well better) be subpoenaed, we may have the loosest of all the loose threads, and the most connected– the Rove machine, dangling prettily in the breeze, for all to tug at.
Puesto @ 8
It’s very simple. If you’re breaking the law on a regular basis, then you need to maintain absolute control over the enforcement of the law.
This week, a Very Special TurdBlossom . . .
david baerwald @ 11
I’m sure that server has met with an oh-so-unfortunate fluke power surge by now.
david baerwald @11
The problem of subpoena the GWB43 email server is that it is owned and operated by the RNC.
Can you imagine the shit storm if they did subpoena the RNC by a Democratic Justice committee?
Holly cow…. if you thought a BJ in the oval office was firestorm….
katymine @ 8
That’s exactly it. They got TOO arrogant — they figured that, since for so long their fellow Republicans have been willing to knuckle under, that they could drop all the niceties and smear them in response to the TPM findings.
Ooooooopsie!
Katymine… It seems to me they have not, will not get rid of Gonzo until he is a sufficiently “High Value Target” ie; If we give you his head, will all this go away?
Not until then, IMNSHO, will they throw him under the bus.
BUT, it looks as though this strategy is getting way out of control..
A Republican Congressional staffer was quoted a couple of days ago [paraphrase] “we just hope the time for them to leave gets here before they do any more damage..”
Too late.. Cat’s out of the bag! IF - and it is a big IF - there is a bloodthirsty enough Dem or two to get serious for the long haul.. Big IF..
katymine @ 8
Nice post and graphic PW!
If anyone wants to see John Bolton get a well-deserved thrashing during BBC question time, here ya go. It’s oh so good. (I am pretty sure pammy is mighty steamed over this.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-zAAsaZPrg
EPUed from previous thread:
Thread Theorist @ 145
Another facet of this scandal is that part of the motive for the unprecedented mid-term firings of the US-Attorneys was to stock the “bench” of potential federal judge appointments. Rove figured that a US-A needed at least 2 years on the job to qualify for a federal judge appointment, and that these appointments would come near the end of Bush’s term. At the very least none of the 8 replacements now stands a chance of being appointed as a federal judge including Rove’s guy, and Tolman as well.
IMO, this is at the heart of the matter. This is typical of Rove’s thinking: control the judiciary long-term. The selection process was secondary. Again, IMO, Rove used Sampson and others to produce a list of those attorneys that they DIDN’T want to ever become judges–because they weren’t “loyal Bushies”, i.e., couldn’t be trusted in future to rule against Democrats. The rest of the complaints–immigration, gun cases, pornography–were just tangential issues to supposedly build up a case against attorneys that they had decided to throw overboard for larger political reasons.
New per Phoenix Woman’s post: All of these actions are tied in to creating the “permanent Republican majority” that Rove and Cheney have dreamed about.
Unified scandals:
Don’t forget USA Black in Guam who was getting too close to the Marianas slave labor and forced abortions thingie.
david baerwald @ 12
Lordy, yes! The GWB43 server! Imagine what the gang at 2600 could do if they cracked that server. (Assuming that it’s still online — one would think that the first thing Rove did when the existence of this server was made public was to move everything to another server.)
I agree, but one thing I would add to the dialog is that instead of just discussing these matters just in terms of Obstruction of Justice, I think we need to frame it more broadly as Abuse of Power. Just as Richard Nixon was rebuked in his efforts to use the IRS as a club against his “enemies list,” we must point out early and often how this President is attempting to stack the deck and subvert the democratic process.
Hey, Eli, did you get my link to Barbara Bush’s picture that I posted at Late night and near the end of previous thread? (To me, it’s even better than the wedding picture.) She’s in a bathing suit. It’s worth the trip. Let me know if you can’t find it and I’ll post it again.
PW,
You are on to the most important connections. This is not tin foil hat stuff but real. Karl Rove’s reach on this political killing squad reaches to every dirty trick the R’s have engaged in since 1999. Ohio, Florida, Foley, caging lists, prosecutions for political reasons, lack of prosecutions -same reasons, targeting emerging leaders and purging unreliable repugs everywhere.
If it is political it is Karl Rove and if it is not political Karl will make it political. Power being the desired product of the conspiracies.
That “middling” rating for Fitz, which came as it did when he was questioning Karl Rove in the Libby trial, was a trial ballon of stupendous magnitude (as Lester Hayes might have said).
Between this bogus rating and the affirmative discussion in early ‘05 of firing all 93 attorneys (which would have included Fitz), we see the bubbling up of a conspiracy to obstruct Fitzgerald’s investigation.
Someone needs to subpoena that GWB43.com server pronto. Who cares if it looks “political”? The people’s business was being conducted on it.
katymine @ 16
The thing is, it is absolutely clear from the emails that we already have that important government (read, People’s) business was being done from that server, particularly as it relates to this specific scandal. That simple fact makes the acquisition of those emails urgent and necessary. And as far as firestorms go, well, these gangsters asked for it, didn’t they? Yes, it is easy to commit the perfect crime if youre in charge of the investigation, but theyre not in charge of the investigation anymore. And I think we’re all about to find out just exactly how very, deeply stupid Karl Rove really is.
Ann in AZ @ 22
Got it. Wow.
Why does anyone bother to argue about whether Karl should be under oath when he testifies before congress? The only answer we should give is: Rove has already amply and repeatedly demonstrated in the Plame case that he cannot be trusted to tell the truth when not under oath Period.
I’m curiuos about this DOJ/WH liason who has suddenly taken a leave of absence. A little voice is whispering to me that the timing here is suspicious-but not for the obvious reason. Has it occured to anyone else that her (?) disappearence might be a red herring designed to send the hounds baying off after her and give the real bad actors at the DOJ and the WH a chance to retool and refine their excuses?
I saw someone interviewed (can’t remember where - sorry) who noted that she was very familiar with Tim Griffin, Rove’s plant in Arkansa. She said that Griffin is “genius in research - opposition research”.
Let’s see… who is the present Democratic frontruner for the presidential nomination? And what state did she come from before magically becoming a New Yorker?
Nothing to see here folks. How could anyone possibly thinks that this thing has Rove-stink?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 5
No problem. I always keep a copy of a dictionary and encyclopedia on my browser when I visit here. It’s a necessity several times a day, and I’m supposed to be good with words. I looked this word up in wiki the first time it was used. Don’t know what I’d do without wiki.
The only thing that will make W surrender Gonzo is the notion that this will shutdown a thorough investigation.
Otherwise, he’s an important firewall between the WH and the law. I look for them to man the ramparts, and not give an inch. Just lie, lie, lie. As always.
But the clock is ticking, and even if W beats the clock and leaves office as scheduled, he should still be hounded for his crimes and put in jail. It’s the only way to restore the office (Nixon got away, and look what his progeny did with little or no fear).
angie @ 19
Oooh, oooh, OOOOOH! Word Salad Pam Nah Gah Like that nasty woman roughin’ up her boyfriend! (Question: During Pammie’s interviews with Bolton, did he ever take his eyes off her breasts?)
katymine @ 15
Maybe G. Gordon Liddy would be interested in putting together an Ocean’s 11 -type caper with the old Watergate Bunch . . .
This guy is “Soooo… Toast!” However, I think the longer Bush sticks by him, the dirtier his laundry is going to get.
“Fetid togs,” both. Maybe Our Naked Emperor can’t get rid of him? As was speculated on a previous thread, if he gets rid of him, Executive Privilege is out the window.. Does anyone have the facts on this theory of EP’s application for an ex pol?
Eli @ 27
Eli—Don’t do it! You’ve already got a girlfriend.
egregious @ 34
No worries. 60 years of hardcore evil have already worked their magic.
Don’t forget the denial of the correct clearances to the Office of Professional Responsibility (acronym check?) personnel so they couldn’t investigate the NSA program. Didn’t that happen in the DoJ as well?
Also, did you mention the complete lack of an internal investigation into who leaked Plame’s name, even though they loudly promised one?
We need a scorecard, to remind everyone of how many threads left to pull. Down the rabbit hole!
It would be particularly Rovian if the liason were found to be taking time off because she’s undergoing chemo, or even better, on bed rest with a premature labor that the partisan Dems could be accused of hounding the poor woman into- and the reason the DOJ wouldn’t clarify her status is because they were altruistically protecting her privacy.
Ok. Is my imagination too fevered here?
Correction, please.. You mean to say “shred and delete” don’t you?
conniptionfit @ 28
LOL Phoenix Woman.
I watched it twice — talk about smarm and condescension– Bolton was oozing both.
(I heart that Iraqi woman and Tony Benn)
I read all this stuff about how terrible things are and I quite agree. But those of my generation, the boomers, the flower children, the hippies or whatever, perhaps did not teach our children well. So yes, I blame the children of the 60’s, like me, in large measure for the state of things. We who stopped the Vietnam War and Lyndon Johnson, have made rather made a mess of things. Some of us stayed true to our beliefs. So many of us did not. Too many. We dropped the ball. I take responsibilty for my failures. Whither did we go?
katymine @ 16
Yeah, but the key is, was any law broken by trying to dodge the government archiving system? Has that yet been explored? Anybody know? Put the offenders under the kleig lights and let ‘em testify. They’ll melt like the wicked witch of the west.
RICO …. it is a RICO crime
Wiki:
Alfred Kelgarries @ 5
Yupper. I keep thinking of Colin Powell’s nominal underling, the zampolit who kept reining him in during one of his last encounters with the media as SoS. He openly fought with her in front of the reporters — and was gone shortly thereafter. (On edit: Her name was Emily Miller, and I wrote about her here.)
Latest FaBlog: Gerontophilia at the NYT
Assuming Dems win everything in ‘08 will they have the will to undo the Republican criminal enterprise? Even as bombs fall on the bunker, Bush is still signing exec orders to continue to “Stalin-ize” the Federal govt. About a month ago there was an order to assign a political operative to just about every Fed agency down to the smallest sub-unit. One example of the new commissar system was the order that US climate scientists couldn’t talk about Polar Bears or Arctic Ice without first getting approval from the political minders. (I suspect most of these “minders” are “6000 year old earth” christianists and mega-corp. lobbyists. Rooting them out isn’t going to be easy.)
We need a word that updates “denazify” to the current situation in our govt.
Does the Yoonitary Decider have the power to refuse, deny, negate (is quash the word?) a subpoena of his brain - Rove, and his heart - Meyers?
katymine @
43
Well, 10 out of 12 aint bad! RICO!, Rico Suave!
grayslady @ 20
Aren’t there already an inordinate number of judicial openings that have been left unfilled due to their nominees not receiving confirmation? I vaguely remember a figure near or at three digits.
hey, when do the peeps get nuked?
i’ll be check’n back later and i better see some nuked peeps.
I blame the children of the 60’s,
i don’t. kids today don’t think about it because they aren’t facing a DRAFT! which we damn bloody well should have if we are going to continue this FIASCO.
face it, the ESTABLISHMENT won.
I would love for them to be able to link this scandal to all the other illegal activity this administration has been up to. Unfortunately, the Dems don’t have the spine to push the issue.
Steve @ 45
“Americanization”?
Too late, the Peeps were rescued by McGyver. ;-)
Eli @ 52
“Normalize”?
De-neoconification. It doesn’t roll off the tongue, but that’s the best I could come up with.
OT: Uncloaking just long enough to say that FDL has become SUCH a must-read for me, and the contributions of Phoenix Woman and others I know from elsewhere (hi, Eli!) just make it better.
Amazing place.
I really think that Rove et al see the writing on the wall. That if things continue, it will be another Repug bloodbath in 08 with a possible veto proof majority in one or more chamber. Then you add a Democratic President who will appoint their own slate of USA’s and AG … Oh someone like Gov Janet from AZ or Bobby Kennedy Jr, someone who would go for the gold.
Just look at the write up of the Blackwater book over on Kos. The Blackwater families trying to sue the company have Ken Starr working for BW putting the case in front of friendly courts and stonewalling anything.
It is just like Iran/Contra. Get everyone got off either with pardon or appeal, stop any cases against All these bad actors. Unless we can charter a 747 stuffed with all these yahoos and fly them to the Hague for a REAL show trial.
How ’bout just “Clean up”?
Hiya, Sill! Nice to see you here!
Interesting how Sen. Spector today says Gonzales has a lot of explaining to do. Um, excuse me — he’s had a month to start explaining, but the questions just keep piling up.
“I’m getting a whole “discussion off the books” feeling from these people that needs some serious explanation.”
“How, exactly, is an e-mail discussion waged in non-governmental e-mails protected by Executive Privilege?”
katymine @ 8
Sneaking the little clause into the Patriot act that allows them to put USA’s into office without Senate confirmation leads me to believe that the Administration is well aware that they have committed crimes and are trying to pre-emptively do just what you said: Stack the deck with their people to avoid prosecution. It will be hard for them to now make the case they didn’t realize they were doing anything wrong, or they can’t remember, or whatever other bullshit lies they come up with to avoid paying the piper.
ps @ 59
This confirms my expectation that Arlen will do everything he possibly can to sabotage Leahy’s investigation.
conniptionfit @ 38
I certainly wouldn’t put it past them to have laid this sort of trap!
Excellent post! I’ve also been contemplating the wisdom, or lack thereof, of demanding the AG’s resignation. It’s not enough and should not be allowed as a gesture to cauterize this wound to the resident.
The pressure should be kept on ALL OF THEM for the succinct reasons you’ve outlined here. It’s ALL connected. We must keep the spotlight on them and not allow these snakes to slither away into the night.
TheOtherWA @ 55
“Re-Constitutionalize”
Don’t forget this small item…. which is of course part of this larger issue.
It’s all about getting paid for BushCo and, indeed, the rest of us too as this this Matt Stoller post shows all too clearly.
We need to set our sights a lot higher than ‘just’ getting rid of the current cabal of incompetent thugs.
It’s the folks that put them in place to fuck us over that we’ve got to eliminate.
Yeah, eliminate.
Cleaning these augean stables is gonna be one long and difficult job. Talk about destroying the village in order to save it!
George F. Will seems to think we need anger management in today column so I just left a comment on his front door step:
Mr. Will,
How many of your family members have been serving in Afghanistan or Iraq? This war without end the the current administration has embarked upon strains the relationship between the citizens of this country and the leadership. My sister-in-law cried when she got news that her only son was safely back from Afghanistan. She said she really didn’t understand the stress she was under until that time.
You may have the right as a citizen of this country to voice your opinion but I would say sir, you don’t have the right to belittle others the right to express theirs. Your contempt for the rest of us is unpardonable.
George “Shut the F.” Will
Speaking of authoritarian theocracies.. Check this out from the voice of the LDS.. The Salt Lake Tribune (thanks to TPM) at..
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5517136
I would LOVE to have him defend this in front of a Senate panel.. Just love it! Probably sees nothing wrong with starting a new Zampolit corps, either.. with a creed of “You’re either for us, or agin’ us” chant by the gun wielding Zampolits looking for horns behind every non-believer..
I just love the Mormon taint to all this… This will do NIT Romney about as much good as getting a case of crabs in his and his spouses undies…
What’s that itch, Nit… er, I mean Mit…?
1,466 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen phoenix woman and the Firepup patriots:
This post should have a daily re-posting to keep it as the structure or skeleton to hang all the rest of the fascist crimes that will inundate us everyday from here on out. Well done sister…but I would like to use this post to rock one of my hobby horses.
We need to begin the chorus for impeachment investigations no matter how time consuming or how late in the election cycle it gets. “The grand Unified Theory” gives us the argument framework to do what wasn’t done in the past constitutional crises of 1866 (Johnson impeachment), 1877 (presidential election and the end of reconstruction), 1975 (Nixon Pardon) and Iran Contra…we must use the opportunity of impeachment of the entire Bush executive to purge fascism from our politics, root and branch.
It won’t be enough to just win the ‘08 elections and extend Democratic majorities if we don’t kill Haliburton, Carlyle, corporatist power in the Democratic Party and delegitimize every Bush fascist apparatchik by thowin ‘em in jail. We also need war profiteering trials and war crimes investigations. AND we need to start callin’ everything Republican and everything associated with the Bush administration as fascist.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION WE DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN
katymine @ 16
This where strong and forecful messaging comes in. The game has changed.
In say 2003 b.b. (before blogs) the message from the Democrats was weak, the traditional media was spellbound due to koolaid and cocktail weenies, and the Repugs controlled the media.
In 2007 a.b. (after blogs), the conversation is changing. Yes it would be a shit storm from the mighty wurltizler, however the progressive blogs would turn on the fun and send the shit storm right back at them.
Eli @ 62
Poor Arlen. He’s trying so hard to help Gonzo save himself, but Gonzo keeps saying things that even Specter can’t countenance — such as when Gonzales falsely claimed that there was no right to Habeas Corpus in the Constitution.
RICO …. more Wiki info:
Ok… lets see… when stats show that 80% of their investigations were against Democrats
Eli @
7
As others have said (I believe including yourself) he’s just p*ssed all over that ol’ piece of paper we used to call a Constitution. kinda hard to preserve it with all that foulness soaking in these days.
angie @
19
Wow! Fresh air. I’ve never seen Bolton taken down like that.
Phoenix Woman @ 71
Arlen will happily denounce even the smallest of administration offenses, and happily enable even the largest.
It’s his way.
Millineryman @ 71
Hell, if the RNC is part of this criminal enterprise then I say they go down the toilet too. They supported the phone jamming in New Hampshire, blocking voters from the polls. Ya, they need to go down hard!
The project is laid out here in One Party to Rule Them All by Hamburger and Edsall. But, even they do not appreciate the levels of corruption and violence that these people have prepared to unleash, if necessary, to prevent a loss of the presidency in 2008. Their Praetorian guard is organized. Massive detention centers have been built. The President has acquired the authority to nationalize the National Guard of each and every state at his pleasure. The President can now compel citizens to spy on other citizens — see the anonymous op-ed in today’s WaPo.
Somebody (sorry can’t remember who) on the net pointed out only yesterday the concurrence between the nine or so states that Rove declared to be crucial to the 2008 election and the jurisdictions of the fired USA’s. What better way to cover a stolen election, que no? As Rove claims, “you have your math, I hve mine.”
katymine @
16
They shouldn’t be using private servers to conduct government bidness. I don’t recall the law but there is one I believe that bans such use. Of course, what’s a few more broken laws with this crowd?
DING DING DING! We have a winner!
AZ Matt @77 I agree.
Take ‘em down. And hopefully MacGuyver will be busy tending to the Peeps to rescue them.
The whole deal here is that unlike every other scandal, the Bushies didn’t close ranks fast enough, and they misunderestimated the speed of Congressional oversight. The DoJ wasn’t used to dealing with actual oversight. They were used to dealing with the GOP Congress.
Specifically, Diane Feinstein started asking questions about Carol Lam. And it went all downhill from there. Josh Marshall plowed into the muck and got his brass ring, and while the A team of Rove and company were putting out the fires from Walter Reed and the Libby trial, that left Kyle Sampson in charge of the whole USA firing thing.
Problem is, Kyle Sampson ain’t no Karl Rove. He was found wanting on the whole cleanup and coverup AND he was the first guy to get sacked. That left the Bushies wide open.
The question is will Bush get rid of Gonzo before the burnthrough claims Rover? And secondly, if Gonzo gets the Fredo treatment and is fired “for performance reasons”, what’s left to stop him from saying where the bodies are buried?
That’s why he’s still around. Which will do more damage, Gonzo’s boot at this late date with nothing left to lose or risking Rove under oath in the dock?
charley 50
i don’t. kids today don’t think about it because they aren’t facing a DRAFT! which we damn bloody well should have if we are going to continue this FIASCO.
The fact that there has been no draft, thus far (and a media that faithfully disseminates pure propaganda) has been the linchpin that has prevented Bushco’s unravelling. This got them close enough to 50 percent of the vote in 2004 to steal the election the second time. No sacrifice has been required of the cheetos-munching 101st fighting keyboard commandos and other pro-war types not willing to lay their own *ss on the line.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
OK kiddo, why is it always incumbent on our generation? Nobody died and left us the boss. It’s time for another generation to educate themselves about government and war and to pick up that ball. Yes we are at fault, but no more than any other citizen that has let this happen. Our greatest sin was not educating the younger generations enough about the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, checks and balances, and the consequences of losing the above. But it’s their turn now! Talk to the children, your grandchildren, etc., just as those in the greatest generation talked to us about the horrors of war. We are becoming old and somewhat feeble, and we should not be relied upon to save the world now. Those that are going to live in it for years to come, the college students, the young families, need to step up, just as they did when we were young. No I am not advocating that we back down one inch, just that we must be on our own crusade to inspire the younger generation to save their own world.
The Bush Administration is fighting tooth and nail to keep this card in place. If it falls, the whole house comes down.
Long live the Republic.
Bringing this forward from bottom of previous thread…
Since the Senate majority is still too slim to support impeachment (even if articles could be gotten through the House - but without any Republic support, would just be construed as “partisan payback for Clinton”), then the best option is ongoing investigations/subpoenas, the whole mishegas.
Keep hammering on rule of law and oversight. Let the various committees of the Senate and House pick a day of the week and do their thing so that there is something every day. Keep the lights shining on the cockroaches and keep ‘em scurrying.
Even if the Chimpy claims EP, it can be worked around. I believe Leahy and Schumer and Waxman have a number of disgruntled career lawyers and civil servants who are ripsh*t over the last six years.
There is no way that the Republics can gum away ALL the crap they’ve been floating and outside of the 30%, the rest of the country has been catching on. Frame the talking points from the left in a reasonable, deliberate tone. Let Brit Hume, Rust Limpballs, Hannity, O’Lielly et al froth at the mouth, slap ‘em with the truth, and we can pretty much assure the Republic scumsuckers will be mostly irrelevant for the next generation.
My $.02
Bushie-gate!
Says it all:
– This president longs for a legacy; here’s one with his name.
– He loves using nicknames; let’s return the favor.
– It’s condescending; gosh, just — again — returning the favor.
Bushie-gate!
Bushie-gate!
Bushie-gate!
People only lie to cover up what they perceive as an action worse than the lie.
Bushie-gate!
Bushie-gate!
Bushie-gate!
Start answering the phone that way — add a little fun to your day.
OK, time to cut back on the caffeine.
if you know the Abunocchio! of life, you can live with any bovine scatology
Great post, but I suggest that we try to avoid reinforcing in the broader, ex-FDL, world the meme that “The key, I believe, is Karl Rove.” At one level this is undoubtedly true, but I fear that this often-expressed sentiment leaves Bush off the hook. We need to rememember that American voters (at least a near plurality) voted for Bush and Cheney. Most people are not political junkies and even today probably do not know or really care who Karl Rove is. In a few years we don’t want to find people adoring that nice-man-George-Bush-who-was-just-betrayed-by-his-advisors. To avoid having a Saint George put alongside Saint Ronnie, we need to ensure that the ultimate responsibility for the crimes of the Bush administration is placed where it belongs, on George W. Bush. Our message must be that Bush lied us into the Iraq War. Bush failed to protect and restore New Orleans. Bush illegally corrupted the U.S. attorneys and the Department of Justice. All these other guys are just his agents.
I am not disputing that Rove and Cheney are the masterminds behind these crimes, but we need to demolish the abililty of the Republicans, or any political party, to nominate and elect a pleasant-seeming front man while they operate their criminal enterprises in the background.
Ron @ 78
McClatchy, by way of Digby.
conniptionfit @ 38
yeah probly but whatthehell
tedb @ 88
I think it’s also vitally important to keep reminding voters that Bush was *allowed* to do this by the Republican Congress. Every single one of his crimes and fuckups can be laid at their doorstep because they either voted for it, or failed to investigate it. They need to pay for that with their jobs in 2008.
charley @ 50
Thank you Charley, any relation to Charley Rangel? I believe he has a definite point. If you want hegemony to be your foreign policy, you can’t really do it with an all-volar army.
Leave Gonzo in as AG…. start the hearing then proceed to the Impeachment of Gonzo… find the bodies and then work up the
chain… Get the Senate to vote after conviction which will prevent these bad actors ever from public service.
Clean house NOW and make sure these yahoos cannot comeback in 10-20yrs to try to it again!
John Dean at FindLaw
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20061215.html
I have heard many times the old saw about how the cover-up is worse than the crime attached to this scandal. I disagree, and this post of Phoenix Woman’s underscores why I think the crime is still far worse than the cover-up has been, even considering just how inept that cover-up has been so far.
Something is seriously rotten at the heart of the American system of jurisprudence, and Lady Justice has lost her blindfold and instead is being made to only look in one direction, the direction where GOP = always protect Dems = always prosecute regardless of the merits of the case. This degree of politicization is something that totally destroys the concept of the rule of law and the premise that all citizens are created equal, one of the core American principles until recently. It is also clear that this politicization of the judicial system was intentional both to harm the opponents of the GOP as well as to protect them, and especially to protect Bushco from the repercussions of taking the Constitution and using it first to wipe up vomit and then to wipe their behinds with before pissing on it for good measure.
You Americans have a very serious problem here, far deeper than I think most of you even now are comfortable going, into the realm of what was until recently basically the purview of the “tinfoil hat brigades”. I have been very concerned with what I had been seeing the GOP do to judicial appointments since the GOP takeover in the 90s, and this accelerated enormously once GWB came to power. I have not accepted either the 2000 nor 2004 elections as valid because of how little trust I have in your judicial system to be fair a free of political imperatives being the dominant/driving force within it, especially at the federal level. I have other reasons aside from the judicial (things like how both times the election turned on one State, and in both cases the Sec of State responsible for election integrity and fairness was also chairing that State’s elect Bush committee, that is not the appearance of conflict of interest it is the very DEFINITION of conflict of interest) for distrusting those results, but without a fair and honourable and most importantly politically neutral judicial structure (especially regarding prosecutors and judges) how does one even show how bad the damage is to the average citizen let alone actually really repair it?
I do believe that this issue is like a keystone in an arch, remove it and the whole thing will crumble. The GOP and especially the Bushies have understood the need to own the judicial system to be able to do all that they have done over the last several years. When the system of law enforcement and prosecution is turned into a political tool then one no longer lives in a democratic open society but something far uglier and more dangerous, and that is alas where America is right now. This is what America has become, it is one of the reasons I will not cross the border anymore, even though I know I have no reason aside from my political opinions to fear at all. These days that is enough, and what that says about what America has become not only speaks volumes but fills them as well, and not with anything good/positive.
Puesto @ 69..If Kyle Sampson spills his guts this week, he is in for a world of social and professional hurt. With Hatch and Cannon probably up to their eyeballs in this shit, they will push back. Having had a few friends who got on the wrong side of LDS politics; it can be very unpleasant.
Steve @ 46
We certainly need to get rid of all these directives, but I think the worse problem is all of the career government employees who have resigned or been forced out and taken all their expertise with them. The ones who have been replaced have been replaced by unqualified toadies, and this is going to be the bureaucratic legacy of this administration. It’s going to take a long time to identify and weed these folks out.
Ann in AZ @ 85
My point is and remains, that perhaps if we (in the 60’s) had taught our children better, then perhaps our children would have tought their children better. And so on. Many of my generation became obsessed with things other than right and wrong. Things like money for example. And I talk to kids every day. It’s my job. But I do understand what you’re telling me. ;0)
In June of 2000, I had a conversation with an intoxicated Greenberg Traurig lawyer from the Tallahassee office. He was busy bragging about the meeting he’d had with “Jeb, Karl and W” the day before and how the election was “all sewn up”, when I interjected that I thought it was going to be close, and that it might actually come down to Florida. He responded with a smarmy smack on the back and said, “Florida’s in the bag, trust me, Florida’s in the bag”. My attempt to push the point was thwarted when one of his pals escorted him away from me.
Since then, I’ve seen Karl’s ugly mits on everything. The ash heap of history waits him.
katymine @ 95
I like your thinking!
At a Democratic presidential forum focused on health care, Edwards pressed his rivals to provide a detailed plan to cover the nation’s uninsured — estimated at about 47 million — and describe how they will pay for it.
Obama said when asked whether he would raise taxes to reach his goal of universal coverage by the end of his first term.
“I can tell you I will do whatever it takes,” the Illinois senator added.
Clinton did not say whether or not she is considering a tax increase, but said she cannot see putting more money into what she described as the current broken system.
The D’oh-sider thinks it’s almost time to achieve the Evolutionary Level Above NeoConservatism … Red Alert!
;>)
These people are indeed serious about dominating the political scene for a generation or more and they will not go quietly into the night. Like Nixon they are hellbent to create some sort of new age facism and they believe “we the people are powerless to stop them.
TheOtherWA @ 55
How about going with a simple “de-louse”
We need to rememember that American voters (at least a near plurality) voted for Bush and Cheney. Most people are not political junkies and even today probably do not know or really care who Karl Rove is. In a few years we don’t want to find people adoring that nice-man-George-Bush-who-was-just-betrayed-by-his-advisors. To avoid having a Saint George put alongside Saint Ronnie, we need to ensure that the ultimate responsibility for the crimes of the Bush administration is placed where it belongs, on George W. Bush.
Good point. I am afraid that the “base” will do so anyway.
The main difference in Reagan and Little Boots is the public demeanor of the two. Dutch was always “dignified” and chummy when he was in front of the cameras, even when he was becoming increasingly senile.
Little Boots is becoming more childish and feral with every passing day. As the Congress continues to investigate his admin and the scandals pile up, I expect his behavior to become nastier, which is his true persona. I don’t think this will play well to the public.
Ole Sarge @ 103
Since we now know that this is going to come to pass, I wonder what GeeDub feels about the obscurity that await him in 2009.
Ann in AZ @ 85
Love you both, but this hurt my feelings. I am the child of your generation. I have taken to the streets. I have calld and screamed at that warmongering, pig fuckin rep of mine (Heather Wilson (R-Pete Dominici’s ass)). I write letters to my papers. I write letters to senators, congresspeople and committes in general. I work on political campaigns. I work on voter registration drives. I have been an election monitor.
And don’t you dare say that I am not educated in war, I was watching Viet Nam coverage at the age of 3. I know the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
You taught us well.
We have stepped up, and will continue to do so.
N.flamethower, If the 9/11 investigation is reopened, all your dreams might come true.
Wolf in sheeps clothing, do you trust anything Chuck “voting machines” Hagel has to say?
Elliott @ 99
That sums it up. We are living with the legacy of failing to hold the Watergate era and Iran-Contra operatives accountable to the law. This time, the young Rumsfelds and Cheneys of this admin. have to be tried and convicted or in 10-20 years they will be back. It’s like the “Night of the Living dead” except this time they need to be dealt with in court.
Sachem 515, GW will be on his already purchased 10,000 acre ranch in Paraquay in 2009.
TheOtherWA @ 55
Neo-nuke?
gbear @ 104
I prefer neo-convicts.
De-Rovate… na… Purge BushCo… … na
Impeach them all and then let God sort them out!
“…The Grand Unifying Scandal…”
For a coup [d’etat] to succeed, it need only succeed…because who then controls any investigation?
No matter any witnesses, document trails, evidence or outrage. That principle of covert ops was long ago established.
As for any investigation, control of SCOTUS and US Attorneys General is a desirable target to offset an unweildy Congress. We are seeing the co-opting of the justice system to establish and then maintain control.
[EPU’d from prior thread]
Good for you, Wil @108. ;0)!!!
Saying Gonzales has a “credibility problem” is a lot like saying OJ Simpson has an “anger management problem”.
Eli @ 93 and tedb @ 88:
Agree that neither Bush/Cheney nor the Republican Congress should somehow be absolved by laying everything on Rove. But I also want to see the radical conservate ideology this admin has pushed take a hit too.
And I want it to take a hit in a way that MSM has no choice but to cover it. And can summarize it in punchy headlines/sound bites that the average low-information voter gets. If it gets personalized to Rove, Libby, and “a few bad Republican apples,” (good, they’re gone and that’s over), the game can, and will, continue.
katymine @
114
Yes, but trial by their “fire & brimstone” diety not the compassionate forgiving one.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 5
Thanks for that. I did wonder.
Oklahoma kiddo @
41
Wear your love like heaven…
“Grand Unifying Scandal”
For a coup d’etat to succeed, it need only succeed…because who then controls any investigation?
No matter any witnesses, document trails, evidence or outrage. That principle was long ago established.
As for any investigation, control of SCOTUS and US Attorneys General is a desirable target to offset an unweildy Congress. We are seeing the co-opting of the justice system to establish and then maintain control.
Eli @
91
Yup. The McClatchy/Knight-Ridder folk have been kicking ass and taking names since TPM first broke this story. They may not have been the first set of boots on the ground, but of all the MSM they’ve done the heaviest lifting since then.
Do a search on Bush and Paraquay. He is planning his escape already. No extridition.
Great, great post, PW.
I’ve said it before, but all of this administration’s outrages are a microcosm of their agenda; namely, to co-opt the institutions of government for the aquisition and maintenance of power. All roads lead to the same cesspool.
This one is getting as much attention, let’s face it, because of the Dem’s new-found subpoena power. Christ, imagine what we could have done with the wiretapping scandal. Or a dozen others.
This one will do.
Eli @
15
Easier said than done… Sorta like putting the toothpaste back in the tube. We’ve already got the return address on a lot of these 3000 emails that Josh Marshall’s crew have been auditing. The path is clear, let’s walk it! Subpoena! RICO! Rico Soooaaaahvey!
Sachem515 @
100
They really do behave as if they don’t believe in a just God, eh? For all their pseudo-moralizing.
Steve @
110
Another prime example is Elliot Abrams. Convicted of lying to Congress about Iran/Contra. Overturned on technicality, I believe pardoned by Bush I and now in the Chimpy’s State Dept…
tommy yum @ 125
Could have done? There were hearings 2 weeks ago about the misuse of the NSL’s by the FBI They are still looking at the wriretapping et al. This one is just making the most noise right now.
oregondave @ 33
Seniors sighted at 6 o’clock. I repeat seniors sighted at 6 o’clock.
tommy yum @ 125
That’s another point: Even with Rovezales dissing the competence of the USAs, this would never have become the Big Deal that it is now if the Democrats didn’t win back Congress last November.
Yes, folks, elections do matter — and they have consequences.
That’s “Grand Unified Scandal”
The pathetic Republics keep insisting their crooks and liars have to get their credibility back. When has Gonzo been credible? Or Rove? Or Bush? Or Cheney? Or anyone else in the regime?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 5
tipping point for me was bush’s post 2004 election smirk about having political capital and gonna spend it, goddamnit. i said aloud, “uh-oh…”
it’s all about the 50.1%-whatever it takes-style of the direct advertising mailman, mr. karl. a marketeer, for godsakes. not a business policy man, not an analyst, not an experienced voice of conservatism, but a hawker! how could anyone hand over their image, their campaign, their term, their legacy to a direct advertising mail king? his lack of credibility and credentials must have sent shivers thru the old republican guard. they must have known better than to take this nonsense from a slickster. they had to swallow hard to allow karl rove to take over the party. and now? white house of cards…
stagemom @ 133
Who ever thought he meant *all* of it, though?
Then again, I guess that’s always been his approach to capital…
Those readers that are familiar with the book (movie) “Hunt For Red October” will recall the “Zampolit” was the character Sean Connery killed in his stateroom before he could begin the mission of defecting to the US.
Visiting UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon said Sunday that the time is not ripe for meetings with Hamas officials in the new Palestinian government.
This is one for the scrapbook!! Great! Just great!
Frank Probst @ 116
Eli @ 13
Bingo!
katymine @ 95
Drive stakes through their hearts!
Zandar @
83
And they also thought that the newly-elected Democrats would be easily cowed by their friends in the media arm of the GOP/Media Complex. They thought wrong.
That’s what makes this so delicious.
Bush/Rove is hoping that he can do what he’s done in the past: Ignore it and try to get the press to look at something else.
But that’s not happening. They thought that the KSM non-revelations would be the Bright Shiny Object that took the press’ attention from this story. But the MSM, amazingly enough, wasn’t buying. Which means that the Bushies have somehow managed to piss off a fair number of the Republicans running our corporate media.
So now they’re stuck. It may already be too late to save Rove by jettisoning Gonzales — especially with Harriet Miers having been subpoenaed.
Apparently Fred Fielding has deep connections with Blackwater. There is a good discussion of Blackwater here. Part 1
Part 2
Eli @ 135
My thought at the time was, I can understand that he would think that. But he’s even dumber than I thought to say it.
Zandar @ 83
And the funny thing about this point it that her initial inquiry was regarding a complaint.
Makes me wonder if someone screwed the pooch here. Could the complaint have been to start a paper trail to justify Lam’s removal?
TJ @ 141
He has that same brain-dead “In your face, liberals!” mentality that all his followers have.
Wil @
144
Was it Santorum?
RealWorld @ 142
he was on of their lawyers…
OK Kiddo @ 138– that was a very stupid move in my opinion and so much for democracy, eh?
from the Post:
shunning and snubbing by supposed diplomats is no way toward peace or justice.
Eli @ 13
and the interpretation of the law — hence the federal judiciary.
the scale and scope of their ambitions was breathtaking, and to a degree accomplished. the good guys are going to have to run the table just to get a portion of the system back in working order.
Bush has to protect Deputy Reich Fuhrer Rove at all costs. Karl knows everything.
Wil @ 143
In my document diving yesterday…. DiFi did start investigation of Lam due to complaints about not prosecuting immigration cases. Rep Issa was one big pusher of this meme and then Sensenbrenner. These two even met with Lam about some bogus Border Patrol report/memo that the Patrol will not admit is theirs, then Issa said it was a DHS report.
In the docs, DiFi did stir stuff up for Lam following the complaints but she also then met with Lam and received her performance stats… that is when she started looking at it in a fresh light.
Thankfully DiFi is a Democrat who has an open mind and adjusts her world view when presented NEW facts Vs. Repugs who run around with fingers in their ears saying…..”lalalalalalala”
katymine @ 16
Hey! The NSA must have captured all their e-mails with it’s super-duper homeland security system.
This is a perfect example of potential terrorist activity.
Ask them for copies!
With regard to this sub-thread, it seems the “Shit will hit the fan” when some of these USA’s start putting two and two together from past pressure they may have thought nothing about. I’m sure each and every one of them is on a first name basis with the Congress-persons in their district and State.
All that is needed is a half dozen or so talking privately to their Congress-person, and they don’t even have to come forward. Just tell them where the bodies are buried..
I’m still dubious about Democrat “juevos.” They have been pretty neutered the last 6 years. It’s not like they haven’t been “enabler’s” or anything.. Hear that BILLARY !
dmg @ 147
I’ve been saying here since last Wednesday that the key to unravelling Rove’s power is getting Harriet Meirs under oath on the stand to testify about the use of non governmental communication to relay political instructions from the WH to wherever. She might lie, but her chances of doing that are less than with other key players.
It’s fairly obvious that the U.S., Britain and the Israeli governments disliked the former UN Secretary intensely. Looks like Ban Ki-moon could very well turn out to be ‘their guy’.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
Their new shiny lapdog being led around on a leash.
I was just thinking the very same thing. I miss Mr. Annan.
from wiki:
dakine01 @
87
And I’m bringing forward my response to you from the last thread (jeez, I can’t keep up — as soon as I hit “submit” I’ll bet this is EPU’d — am gonna have to start commenting without reading everybody else’s terrific comments first). Here it is:
You make an interesting point. If their tactic is to bury us in scandal, let’s turn that around against them. Let’s keep beating the drum of corruption in all arenas of the federal government, and then make the point that this is only the tip of the iceberg without the evidence which executive privilege hides from view.
If what we SEE on the surface is THIS ugly, what on earth is under that big rock called the White House? The fish rots from the head down, after all.
Wow, Phoenix Woman! You really put together everything I was vaguely thinking the last few days, w/ lists .
The last couple of days work by TPM and others scouring the docudump, with the increasing clarity of why the particular USA’s were chosen for firing, has really made clear all those connections. It’s amazing.
To whoever said “the coverup was worse than the crime” doesn’t apply here - yes, but the thing is, the cover-up is what gets the publicity. As we know, they’ve been up to equally devious, evil maneuvers forever, but w a Repub Congress and passive MSM, no one thing grabbed them enough to make the headlines.
This thing - the outrageousness of treating USA’s, the bulwarks of federal justice - is what has woken up even the MSM (well, some of it).
The headlines are what will get at least some of the non-politics-folliwng Americans to pay attention, and start putting things together.
PW (and all of FDL, Front-pagers and commenters, not mention Founder Jane) you have my deep gratitude for your contributions to the deductive chain.
(I hope this makes sense - I’m feeling sort of impassioned)
DIGENOVA: Listen, anything you can do to avoid a constitutional crisis. The thing that supports Lanny’s position is, here you have the attorney general and Paul McNulty, the deputy, giving inaccurate, incomplete, inconsistent, incomprehensible answers as to why these people were fired. Under those circumstances, the Democrats’ questions are perfectly logical.
Now, there’s also a little Kabuki theater here on the part of the Democrats. They want to pounce. They have subpoena power. And they’re
going to take advantage of a situation. But the truth is, when you have the type of incompetent performance by an attorney general, which this administration has had to suffer through over the last month, this is what happens.
This is what happens when you don’t have adults in cabinet positions and when you have a deputy attorney general who makes absolutely inaccurate statements before a congressional committee. I mean this requires oversight. Absolutely, but it doesn’t require a constitutional confrontation.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....le.01.html
And that’s from a Republican HACK. Ouch ; )
Ed*ard Teller @
153
Yup, John Dean pointed that out. Whatever else she does, she apparently knows better than to lie under oath — especially in a situation like this, where so much is already publicly known that it would be difficult to craft lies that wouldn’t be immediately shot down.
katymine @ 150
Yep yep yep. That just happened to be the section I grabbed when I started working the docs for Gonzopedia.
Pure Poetry!
Cozumel @ 156
“They’re criminally incompetent and dishonest, but the Democrats should still play nice.”
Dang, EPU’d again?
Well, I just recalled one more Eureka-unraveling-the -sweater moment- Frank Rich’s column this a.m. - did y’all know that at Vinson & Elkins, Gonzales was one of Enron’s
lawyersenablers?Just one more for the Unified Scandal Theory.
Phoenix Woman says:
Stuck for sure, because old Harry is correctly focused like a freakin’ laser beam on Rove. He knows which is the right thread to tug on and is already figuring that Gonzales is doomed:
Cozumel @ 158
Boris said that? Ha!
Watching his partner-in-crime Natasha Toensing dig herself a big-ass hole at the Waxman hearings just brought a smile to my face.
Cozumel -
that DiGenova quote — Wow. If they’re losing guys like him…maybe there are still some Republicans who do still believe in the rule of law. “incompetent performance”, huh.
Bwahaha!
Phoenix Woman –
You’re quicker on the draw than I am (damn these slow fingers!) — I was just about to point out what a hoot it is to hear Boris complain about “when you have a deputy attorney general who makes absolutely inaccurate statements before a congressional committee.”
Does this mean Boris is vewy, vewy upset with Natasha?
Hahahaha!
Oh where are Rocky and Bullwinkle when you need them?
katymine @ 8
That’s certainly one of their goals. The other is, I think, to ensure that real election fraud isn’t investigated, at least when it’s perpetrated by Republicans.
I doubt that Gonzalez was going to resign immediately regardless, which almost certainly would necessitate some form of excuse making. As I observed yesterday, there really aren’t any good ways of polishing that turd. There were eight prosecutors, seemingly unrelated in any way, all fired. It turns out one of them was actually fired for incompetence at the urging of the courts (Kevin Ryan), but the others have records that range from good to exemplary. Any excuse, I think, would have rung hollow.
Phoenix Woman @ 159
Miers and Cathy Martin appear to have been the White House end of the communications conduit between the WH and the DoJ. Neither has the power to fire US Attorneys on her own. Getting either under oath should yield some interesting answers.
Digenova put on quite a performance this morning, trying to play both sides. No quite as headache-inducing as his wife’s (Victoria Toensing)obstreperous testimony last week. They’re both part of the Radical Right. Nothign they say is to be trusted as fair or accurate.
So many scandals, so little time.
Phoenix Woman @
141
The more I see this, the more I’m liking the GUS Theory. That’s because of course, the whole point of this mess was that Rove wanted the DoJ to be the GOP’s law enforcement arm, so he could use it to maintain GOP power ad infinitum. The problem is he got a few Type A bulldog prosecutors who wanted to actually do their job to the best of their ability.
The Patriot Act provision to appoint permanent interim USAs was at the heart of this entire mess.
Right now, half the GOP seems to be bailing on Gonzo because they can see the writing on the wall, and the other half is bailing on him because he wasn’t partisan enough.
More than anything, Bush needs this off the front page. You know, something like, say, escalating something like this into an attack on Iran.
Hang on. It’s going to get absolutely crazy around here over the next month or so…
Mrs. K8 @ 166
I think he just knows how bad it looks when husband and wife are both caught lying through their teeth at the same time.
Dem-agog @ 169
True, that.
OTOH, it’s interesting to watch what they say. Have they been given marching orders to say bad things about Abu? Which side of the fascist fence holds their loyalty? The Cheney side? Anybody know?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
I read all this stuff about how terrible things are and I quite agree. But those of my generation, the boomers, the flower children, the hippies or whatever, perhaps did not teach our children well. So yes, I blame the children of the 60’s, like me, in large measure for the state of things. We who stopped the Vietnam War and Lyndon Johnson, have made rather made a mess of things. Some of us stayed true to our beliefs. So many of us did not. Too many. We dropped the ball. I take responsibilty for my failures. Whither did we go?
Ann in AZ @ 85
OK kiddo, why is it always incumbent on our generation? Nobody died and left us the boss. It’s time for another generation to educate themselves about government and war and to pick up that ball. Yes we are at fault, but no more than any other citizen that has let this happen. Our greatest sin was not educating the younger generations enough about the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, checks and balances, and the consequences of losing the above. But it’s their turn now! Talk to the children, your grandchildren, etc., just as those in the greatest generation talked to us about the horrors of war. We are becoming old and somewhat feeble, and we should not be relied upon to save the world now. Those that are going to live in it for years to come, the college students, the young families, need to step up, just as they did when we were young. No I am not advocating that we back down one inch, just that we must be on our own crusade to inspire the younger generation to save their own world.
Wil @ 108
Love you both, but this hurt my feelings. I am the child of your generation. I have taken to the streets. I have calld and screamed at that warmongering, pig fuckin rep of mine (Heather Wilson (R-Pete Dominici’s ass)). I write letters to my papers. I write letters to senators, congresspeople and committes in general. I work on political campaigns. I work on voter registration drives. I have been an election monitor.
And don’t you dare say that I am not educated in war, I was watching Viet Nam coverage at the age of 3. I know the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
You taught us well.
We have stepped up, and will continue to do so.
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I’m sorry Wil, I should have stated that better. It’s my own son I feel I failed over. I said before I feel like we are the Keaton family and he is Alex. My other son doesn’t seem to be quite so unreasonable in his beliefs, but he doesn’t pick up a pitchfork or anything like that. He is fairly familiar with government bureaucracy and the frustration of trying to work within it, though, because he was working for TSA up till Friday. He was a supervisor there, and what he sees is that nobody at the top wants to listen to reason. They want reports that nobody reads, they want statistics that nobody uses, but they don’t want to know easier or better ways of doing things, because everybody just wants to flex their own muscles, except of course for the muscle between their ears. But for those of you younger people who are doing their bit, I say congratulations, you are a true patriot.
Maybe we need to get more like Al Qaeda and go on a recruitment spree, because we need more patriots and less people interested only in get rich quick, corporate ladder climbing.
Eli @ 145
heh. The worm has turned.
Ann in AZ @ 12:32 pm (#174)
Sounds a lot like my job, which was at a different government agency. It was like that during the Clinton years, too. I think it’s a thing that happens in bureaucracy. It becomes important to do the tasks assigned, but not important to understand, let alone embrace, the reasons those tasks were assigned.
On your earlier question, this is our world right now. We are the ones running things. President Clinton and W. Bush are both of our generation, as are most of the governors, CEOs of major corporations, and other folks in power. I understand what you’re saying about inspiring the next generations, but example inspires the young as much as anything.
Alfred Kelgarries @
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we now have one in every dept. a new Regulations officer.
Mrs. K8 @
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MsK8,
This has been EPU’d but wanted to reply - I think this can be done even without EP being invoked, just “normal” oversight and controlling the purse strings. One great way of opening up the cans of worms…
katymine @
43
Bingo!!!! bribery, theft, embezzlement, fraud, obstruction of Justice, racketeering, money laundering, commission of judicial murder(Iraq), and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS A KNOWING ACCOMPLICE to the crimes. Hot diggity. Nary a leg to stand on there. You could flush the whole lot with that alone, though the job would be Herculean, them stables would be cleaned. All the best……
Another question is why did they try to stop investigation of 9/11? 9/11 has probably been the biggest tool they have used politically. That, in my opinion is the motherlode string to pull. An interesting documentary to watch online is “Truth Surge”. It has lots of footage I had not seen before and asks some very good questions.
“Truth Surge” (video)
http://video.google.com/videop.....9872848770
Per OK Kiddo, Ann in AZ, Wil, and MrsK8,
As a member of Wil’s generation (a bit older than Wil, I was born in 1965). I stood up and fought as soon as possible by potesting against Reagan and knocking door to door on behalf a various causes as well as running for local office myself.
But I have always thought the boomer generation
*Dropped the ball before the job was complete…
*Got greedy as they learned how the game of adult (earnings) life was played…
*Chased spirituality without living it…
Worst of all was the fact many of this generation was aware of the three points I mentioned….
That, in a micro-nutshell, is what lessons my generation learned from boomers…
Seems to me (White House Counsel) Fred Fielding is in tight spot, once again.
Chimp and Cheney are on one side claiming breathtakingly vast areas of Executive Privilege, reaching far beyond national security or international diplomacy reasons.
On the other side are a whole army of lawyers and former prosecutors in the Senate and House Judiciaries, many of who are relishing a fight over their Congressionally mandated right and *duty* to provide oversight of the Executive branch.
Even if Fielding does try to take the Chimp/Cheny view, the WH is going to be on the defense for the rest of W’s term. There’s already far too many WH contradictions in play, even before the Sampson and Miers testimony starts in the USA firings.
It looks to be a PR disaster for the Rove and the RNC regardless of how Fielding tries to handle it. Bush’s smirk-mouthed, shifty-eyed attitude in defending Gonzales just makes it look all the worse.
The election really *did* have consequences!
The USA scandals are not the theoretical nirvana of a Grand Unified Theory. They are evidence of the unifying force - Karl Rove - and exemplars of his method of subverting all govt agencies to the sole purpose of re-electing Republicans, and its reverse, preventing the election of Democrats.
From that flows all good: The unchallenged authority of the executive to shield itself from its citizens while engaging in unprecedented levels of spying on them. The ability to corrupt the legislature by allowing it to raid the cookie jar without respite, and the judiciary by staffing it with neophytes who lack the heart and experience to resist that corruption.
How is that paid for? By corporate sponsors, who are first rewarded with legal immunities, tax subsidies and permission to engage in harmful conduct. News media, for example, become not businesseses that gather and distribute news, but disseminators of propaganda, which camouflages those very actions of govt. Hence, for every Paul Krugman we have one one Ann Coulter, two David Broders, three David Brooks, four Bill O’Reillys and George Will in a pear tree.
That control allows the waging of war and corruption of civil society, by declaring the existence of threats so dire that normal social and legal constraints are caste aside. Which enables more control and less oversight, creating a self-perpetuating vicious cycle.
All of which is paid for by the taxes of middle class sods who think the conduct of govt has anything to do with promoting their - or even some objective - interest, a notion that Mr. Rove believes was best buried with FDR and LBJ.
TiredFed @
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sing it, TiredFed!
I hope you’ll educate us (often) about these ominous apparatchniks.
Help us identify, excoriate, terminate (occupationally - only) and denigrate their actions and offices.
Eli @ 91
Thanks Eli, this shit’s happening so fast I can’t keep track anymore. I need to keep a score card
“Mr. President, If Karl Rove didn’t reveal to you that he had spoken with reporters about the identity of Valerie Plame honestly when you requested that anyone involved be forthright about the leak (and you stated that anyone who leaked would be fired), why would you think that the Senate should accept anything that Karl Rove says without it being under oath?”
So, I wonder if President Bush viewed the pre-election Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) sex scandal as being “a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants”?
Or maybe it was an “overblown personnel matter” not deserving of the intense media coverage afforded it before last November’s elections?
Josh Marshall says: “But we know that US Attorney David Iglesias was fired because he wouldn’t submit to pressure from Republican activists and members of Congress to issue an election-timed indictment to save New Mexico’s Republican Rep. Heather Wilson.”
He also points out that what is “missing” from the DOJ document dump may be just as important as what has been released up to this point.
So, let’s look at the clues that might indicate what is “missing”:
1) By last October, Bush, Rove and Gonzales had politicized as much as possible the offices of the U.S. Attorneys.
2) The Mark Foley sex scandal broke like a tsunami wave over the House Republican leadership, the White House political strategists and all the Republicans running for election or re-election around the country…including Heather Wilson of New Mexico.
3) David Iglesias, the U.S. Attorney for New Mexico, is contacted during this critical October pre-election time-frame, to generate anti-Democratic Party publicity, to help Heather Wilson in her bid to retain her seat in Congress.
You do see the pattern, don’t you?
In Karl Rove’s mind, the essential thing before any election is to control “the message,” to control “the publicity,” and the Mark Foley sex scandal had turned last year’s Republican election strategy upside down. Instead of Rove ordering the “swift-boating” of Democrats, the Mark Foley sex scandal was “swift-boating” Republicans around the country, and the scandal was based on facts, not on fabricated lies.
Thus, all the Republican-appointed U.S. Attorneys were mobilized to “pushback” against the negative publicity of the Mark Foley sex scandal in an attempt to push this scandal into the background and replace this negative publicity detrimental to Republicans with news reports of contrived Democratic Party improprieties.
This is what is missing in the emails released. Any internal White House deliberations involving the Mark Foley sex scandal, as well as any communications with anyone in the DOJ that refers to the handling of the Mark Foley sex scandal last October, are not being released.
I don’t believe the Mark Foley scandal was the sole reason for the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys in December, but I do believe it served as a catalyst. Why? Because Rove and the neo-con Republican strategists realized that if certain U.S. attorneys were unwilling to “break the law” concerning “pushback” over the Mark Foley sex scandal, then (in Rove’s and their minds) how could these rogue U.S. Attorneys be trusted to “help” the Republican cause in the lead-up to the November 2008 elections? Thus, eight U.S. Attorneys, who chose following the apolitical, non-partisan “rule of law” over helping the Republicans retain control of Congress last year, HAD TO GO.
Which, of course, makes one wonder how corrupt the Republican-appointed U.S. Attorneys who were not fired are? What did they do to help “pushback” last year against the negative Republican publicity generated by the Mark Foley sex scandal? Can any of them be trusted to follow the “rule of law” and put aside their partisan allegiances, especially in the lead-up to the November 2008 elections?
Any “rule of law” American, whether Democrat or Republican or Independent, should be very concerned over the answer to these questions.
Which makes interrogating Monica Goodling, the DOJ’s White House liaison, that much more important, under oath, in public, before a congressional hearing. Last October, during the midst of the Mark Foley sex scandal, she would have been the go-between, passing Rovian partisan instructions to the DOJ and to the U.S. Attorneys on how to handle the fallout from the Mark Foley sex scandal. Hopefully, her “extended leave of absence” doesn’t involve her skipping the country?
Imagine, as a kind of worse case scenario, that Karl Rove had the following conversation with the President:
“Here’s the plan—-first, we slip in a provision in the Patriot Act, without Congress noticing it, that let’s us replace US attorneys without Senate confirmation.
“Then, we get one of my former political operatives, a guy who did opposition research, and put him in as US attorney in Arkansas (you know, Hillary’s home state). He has subpoena power to do opposition research, he has prosecutorial power to lean on people in Arkansas to say things that we want, and he can bring cases just before election time to drive things our way.
“What could possibly go wrong?”
I suppose it would be protected by executive privilege, if the conversation was just between the two of them. If the conversation led to acts that required investigation as criminal matters, my understanding is that under Nixon cases, executive privilege would give way.
Increasingly, the picture is emerging that the White House sought (and is still seeking) to bring the DOJ under political control. When you consider how awesome the US attorney investigatory power and prosecutorial power is, the potential for gigantic political impact of a political DOJ is clear.
The AG, Rove and White House act like they are guilty of something, and we don’t know what it is they are hiding or why they want to hide it.
I commend the link posted on FDL earlier to TPM:
A key aspect of the U.S. attorney purge that often seems to get overlooked–by those who argue that the firings were business as usual and no different from the removal of USAs at the beginning of a president’s term–is the change to the Patriot Act that was quietly inserted by Sen. Arlen Specter at the behest of the Justice Department.
As close followers of the scandal know, the Patriot Act provision, in essence, transferred the power to appoint interim USAs from the federal district courts to the attorney general and allowed the attorney general to install interim USAs indefinitely, thereby bypassing the Senate confirmation process.
Only the naive or willfully blind would see the Patriot Act amendment as a distinct and separate action from the purge itself. Indeed, vesting such powers in the attorney general was a predicate to the purge, and was one of the very first indications, at least to everyone here at TPM, that the removal of the eight U.S. attorneys was not some random act or unrelated series of acts but a deliberately conceived and executed plan that required time to develop and numerous participants to implement. Otherwise, the Senate confirmation process would have made installing political hacks as USAs difficult and would have provided supporters of the ousted prosecutors with a ready-made platform to challenge the removals publicly.
The individual who physically entered the new language into the statute needs to be questioned under oath about how he or she came to do so. Whoever ordered the language needs likewise to be questioned under oath, and so on up the chain until the purpose and origin of that language is known.
The AG removals very much appear to be part of a larger plan, with an indication of guilty motive inferred from the hidden actions to change legislation, and from intense desire of the administration to hide the truth.
I remarked a week or so ago that the firing of the US attorneys was the the key to unravelling the sorry state of the American political scene. I didn’t feel that way when the Abramoff/De Lay/Cunningham/Foggo et al kept blowing open and disappearing off the radar. These could all be sheeted to individuals rather than the administration itself. I had hopes re the outing of Plame’s covert status but was disappointed that Congress was not interested in pursuing the obstruction of justice that occurred that thwarted further investigation of that crime. At long last there is a window to pursue impeachment because that is the only way to stop the tragedy in Iraq and its escalation into Iran.
The fact that the US MSM has swallowed the British line without any reference to Iran’s assertions that the Brits were captured in Iranian territory is worrying. Blair’s bombast of Iran having ‘days’ to release the captives only adds to that sense of unease. Everybody knows that the Brits by themselves can do sod all. Blair has been burnt toast since the 2005 local elections and he will be forced out by June this year. That is enough time for him to wreak his revenge by tying UK into a prolonged conflict situation. The noises emanating from other EU countries are even more worrying - they (Germany and France most vocally) have pledged full support for UK. It is quite possible that the Brits were in Iranian territory, and given the sophistication of their navigational equipment, knowingly so. Were they the willing proxy to create an ‘incident’?
Does Bush need to go to Congress for overt aggression against Iran? Covert activities have been occurring for some time now. I ask this because the authorisation granted in 2003 is too vague.
Does Bush (Rove) see the expansion of war as a last ditch attempt to silence critics of the decider in chief?
My dad said something interesting to me the other day. In late 1950s and early 1960s, industry made a big switch from reliance on whale fat to hydro carbon derivatives because whales were being hunted to extinction and oil was plentiful with huge untapped reserves. His point was we can do the same today. Maybe this is irrelevant but I didn’t know of this switch till he referred to it casually. He was a research chemist but almost 90 years old now.
I am from Aus but was in the US and Canada for four years until late 2006 and have been hooked by FDL since 2005. You have every right to tell me to stfu but its one world.
via Katymine:
“Since the Senate majority is still too slim to support impeachment …, then the best option is ongoing investigations/subpoenas, the whole mishegas.”
If despite its best efforts Congress can’t get answers, impeach ALBERTO GONZALES. The timing has to be right: when he has lost almost all support (so it will be a-political), even among deniers, and before he is fired.
You really REALLY don’t want to lie during impeachment proceedings, so it might be The Best Means for getting to the bottom of this. Plus impeachment disqualifies you for any future government office or job.
FindLaw’s Writ had a John Dean piece on this idea some time back.It makes eminent sense.
A friend of mine believes that this while thing is indeed Rove’s, but that it’s not quite what people think. The perception is that Rove is protecting the president. The reality, my friend believes, is that he is protecting himself, trying to find a way that his position, power and influence can outlive 2008.
Everything we’ve seen to date is consistent with both hypotheses, but that doesn’t mean my friend’s hypothesis is necessarily true, of course.