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		<title>By: rascalsout</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583775</link>
		<dc:creator>rascalsout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;. . . except in Chair Waxman’s hearing room, that is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . except in Chair Waxman’s hearing room, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: rascalsout</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583770</link>
		<dc:creator>rascalsout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why is JOOOHHHN BOOOLLLTON [as best I can imitate Rachel Maddow’s hilarious take in print] allowed to speak into a microphone anywhere?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is JOOOHHHN BOOOLLLTON [as best I can imitate Rachel Maddow’s hilarious take in print] allowed to speak into a microphone anywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Marvel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583529</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R. Marvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i “Howard Baker seemed to actually care about the principles involved.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Fooled the shit outa you, didn’t he?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Howard Baker (who was Everett Dirksen’s son-in-law) was Nixon’s “Mole” on the Senate Watergate Committee…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  You oughta read some of the transcripts of Nixon’s Oval Offrice tapes…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i “Howard Baker seemed to actually care about the principles involved.”</p>
<p>  Fooled the shit outa you, didn’t he?</p>
<p>  Howard Baker (who was Everett Dirksen’s son-in-law) was Nixon’s “Mole” on the Senate Watergate Committee…</p>
<p>  You oughta read some of the transcripts of Nixon’s Oval Offrice tapes…</p>
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		<title>By: Sachem515</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583351</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachem515</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Will someone please change Glenn Greenwald’s Blogroll URL to the Salon address.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will someone please change Glenn Greenwald’s Blogroll URL to the Salon address.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8217;sconset</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583321</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8217;sconset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Neil @ 156:  Yes, the media is so far removed from the american people that they feel they can spew any kind of nonsense and it will be believed if it is context of the “story line”.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have said many times, that I refuse to bother with these shows any more because they are a waste of time.  Our “press corps” (such as it is) is comprised of very lazy, overpaid individuals who are doing the bidding of the corporations that pay them their big salaries.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MTP  and Matthew’s are SO predictable–all the panelists who are “journalists” have a very smug attitude that they are sooooo bright and travel in such venerated circles–when in reality they are all very insecure, little phonies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know for a fact, that Chris Matthews wants Guiliani to be the next president and he is pushing that agenda so hard that it is sickening. I know this because 2 very close friends of Tweety’s who spend time with him told me.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I come here on Sunday, as well as Atrios, Think Progress and Crooks and Liars to see who said what–otherwise, I would have very high blood pressure–and these folks in the press, don’t mean a thing to me because they are phonies pretending to be journalists.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil @ 156:  Yes, the media is so far removed from the american people that they feel they can spew any kind of nonsense and it will be believed if it is context of the “story line”.  </p>
<p>I have said many times, that I refuse to bother with these shows any more because they are a waste of time.  Our “press corps” (such as it is) is comprised of very lazy, overpaid individuals who are doing the bidding of the corporations that pay them their big salaries.</p>
<p>MTP  and Matthew’s are SO predictable–all the panelists who are “journalists” have a very smug attitude that they are sooooo bright and travel in such venerated circles–when in reality they are all very insecure, little phonies.</p>
<p>I know for a fact, that Chris Matthews wants Guiliani to be the next president and he is pushing that agenda so hard that it is sickening. I know this because 2 very close friends of Tweety’s who spend time with him told me.  </p>
<p>I come here on Sunday, as well as Atrios, Think Progress and Crooks and Liars to see who said what–otherwise, I would have very high blood pressure–and these folks in the press, don’t mean a thing to me because they are phonies pretending to be journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaLiberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583266</link>
		<dc:creator>AlphaLiberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Durbin was great and on message!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durbin was great and on message!</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583262</link>
		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-583133&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank Probst @ 125 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Democratic rebuttal talking point:  We just passed an Iraq funding bill.  With a timetable to bring the troops home.  Bush has threatened to veto it.  We ARE focusing on the issues.  It’s the Sunday talk shows that are focused on scandals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shorter rebuttal: These scandals &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; issues.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-583133"><em>Frank Probst @ 125 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Democratic rebuttal talking point:  We just passed an Iraq funding bill.  With a timetable to bring the troops home.  Bush has threatened to veto it.  We ARE focusing on the issues.  It’s the Sunday talk shows that are focused on scandals.</p>
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<p>Shorter rebuttal: These scandals <em>are</em> issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583258</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The growing bipartisan movement to investigate the US Attorney firings to determine the motives behind the terminations and the people involved (including DOJ, White House and elected Reps) is necessary to restore confidence in the integrity of our system of independent prosecutors. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Throwing Abu Gonzalez under the bus does not accomplish that. Abu has his own integrity problems, which may lead to his resignation but the investigation cannot end there.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On MTP, Specter and Durbin agreed that WH testimony will be necessary as is a transcript. Of course Specter says a lot of things on matters of principle and later, away from the camera lights, backtracks.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The remaining sticking point is whether the hearings are public or private and whether witnesses take an oath to tell the truth.  Because to BushCo politics is everything, I don’t think Rove will testify in a public hearing without a court battle that decides he is compelled to do so. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Litigating the balance of power between the congressional subpoena and executive privilege will take twenty months.  That path has only political value not a substantive one.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So get White House officials in private under oath and with a transcript.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The panel on Chris Matthews saw Rove’s involvement in the US Attorney issue as strictly political payback, and an opportunity for the Dems to rake Rove over the coals. They bought into the Presidents talking point.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is was shocking to me they have no sense of the relevance of:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;-&lt;/b&gt;Rove’s history of manipulating FBI investigations against political opponents,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;-&lt;/b&gt;the facts regarding prosecutions of Democrats versus Republicans,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;-&lt;/b&gt; the lies by senior officials indicating a cover-up of the purge, and&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;-&lt;/b&gt; no recognition of the role of a well documented motive, the agenda to cement a permanent Republican majority.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;-&lt;/b&gt; BushCo tendency to use all the levers of power, legally or otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;-&lt;/b&gt; Bush’s assigning importance to the issue by declaring, “there is no indication there was any wrongdoing.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is it just me or are our most televised pundit class completely out to lunch?  The dots I connect are speculative but there was no mention of these at all, only mention of political motivated political payback for the purpose of retribution only. And this, after a segment investigating the seriousness of the US Attorney purge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The growing bipartisan movement to investigate the US Attorney firings to determine the motives behind the terminations and the people involved (including DOJ, White House and elected Reps) is necessary to restore confidence in the integrity of our system of independent prosecutors. </p>
<p>Throwing Abu Gonzalez under the bus does not accomplish that. Abu has his own integrity problems, which may lead to his resignation but the investigation cannot end there.  </p>
<p>On MTP, Specter and Durbin agreed that WH testimony will be necessary as is a transcript. Of course Specter says a lot of things on matters of principle and later, away from the camera lights, backtracks.  </p>
<p>The remaining sticking point is whether the hearings are public or private and whether witnesses take an oath to tell the truth.  Because to BushCo politics is everything, I don’t think Rove will testify in a public hearing without a court battle that decides he is compelled to do so. </p>
<p>Litigating the balance of power between the congressional subpoena and executive privilege will take twenty months.  That path has only political value not a substantive one.  </p>
<p>So get White House officials in private under oath and with a transcript.</p>
<p>The panel on Chris Matthews saw Rove’s involvement in the US Attorney issue as strictly political payback, and an opportunity for the Dems to rake Rove over the coals. They bought into the Presidents talking point.  </p>
<p>Is was shocking to me they have no sense of the relevance of:</p>
<p><b>-</b>Rove’s history of manipulating FBI investigations against political opponents,<br />
<b>-</b>the facts regarding prosecutions of Democrats versus Republicans,<br />
<b>-</b> the lies by senior officials indicating a cover-up of the purge, and<br />
<b>-</b> no recognition of the role of a well documented motive, the agenda to cement a permanent Republican majority.<br />
<b>-</b> BushCo tendency to use all the levers of power, legally or otherwise.<br />
<b>-</b> Bush’s assigning importance to the issue by declaring, “there is no indication there was any wrongdoing.”</p>
<p>Is it just me or are our most televised pundit class completely out to lunch?  The dots I connect are speculative but there was no mention of these at all, only mention of political motivated political payback for the purpose of retribution only. And this, after a segment investigating the seriousness of the US Attorney purge.</p>
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		<title>By: Waiting in Texas</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583246</link>
		<dc:creator>Waiting in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Remember last year when it came out about the NSA spying scandal and only 8 senators (Intelligence Committee?) were briefed on what was really going on. Hatch and Rockefeller for sure. Who were the others? Remember where Rockefeller pulled that letter out of his safe regarding his concerns of the legalities to Cheney? Also, what committee was it that Specter was on when he didn’t swear in Gonzales?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember last year when it came out about the NSA spying scandal and only 8 senators (Intelligence Committee?) were briefed on what was really going on. Hatch and Rockefeller for sure. Who were the others? Remember where Rockefeller pulled that letter out of his safe regarding his concerns of the legalities to Cheney? Also, what committee was it that Specter was on when he didn’t swear in Gonzales?</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/sunday-talking-head-thread-47/#comment-583225</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob Scheiffer said the Eubanks scandal is more important than the firing of USA’s.  If anything it just corroborates the fact that this Admin. politicized the DOJ.  Get a clue Scheiffer!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Scheiffer said the Eubanks scandal is more important than the firing of USA’s.  If anything it just corroborates the fact that this Admin. politicized the DOJ.  Get a clue Scheiffer!</p>
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