hiya, Jane !

No doubt it would have made the concern trolls uncomfortable, who keep on finding new and creative reasons why Elizabeth and John Edward should just curl up under a rock somewhere and stop making them feel icky.

How marverlous that they refuse to do so.

Indeed.

Hey Jane!

What an inspiring answer she gave: she is denying the cancer the power to dictate her life. We all live under the shroud of mortality. It shouldn’t stop us from living or lessen our joy. Elizabeth Edwards is showing it can even increase our zest for life. I felt uncomfortable right after their announcement, and now I see how wrong I was.

Interesting piece on segregation in the blogosphere here.

DEATH be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not so,
For, those, whom thou think’st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better then thy stroake; why swell’st thou then;
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.
- John Donne

Damn these people who tell others how to live when sick! Next you know, they’ll be telling us who we can love and marry…. oh, wait, they already are.

I really don’t wish illness on anyone (and Rush seems to have his share, denied or not) but just for once couldn’t these evil schmucks think of wearing someone else’s moccasins for a mile or so? They so quickly judge the choices John and Elizabeth Edwards made for themselves, their family, and their family business. The spokesbots of the right are so eager to direct the thoughts of authoritarian followers away from the natural human reaction of empathy — surely a dangerous emotion when the empire acts so inhumanely across the planet.

[[[[[JANE]]]]]

I have such respect for Elizabeth, especially after reading her book. It’s made me take a renewed look at John.

Bravo Kay Yow, Elizabeth Edwards, Jane Hamsher, Steve Kreiser, Judy Dixon, and the millions of others who are living their lives fully while dealing with illness.

You are an inspiration Jane and I didn’t know you were motivated to start this FDL after diagnosis. Now I’m off for a bike ride with my husband to celebrate this glorious 73 degree day.

Jane,

Lance Mackey, winner of this year’s Yukon Quest and Iditarod sled dog races:

Mackey was diagnosed with throat cancer in 2001 but continued dog sled racing entering the 2002 Iditarod race. After scratching from that race, he took a full year off from racing to recover from the disease. He is now considered cancer free, however, Mackey suffered nerve damage in his left index finger as a result of the operation to remove the cancerous tumor. The nerve damage caused such unbearable pain in the finger that Mackey chose to have the finger surgically removed.

Dog lover, racer, competitor, cancer victor! I’ll see if I can push somebody up here in the radio business to interview Lance about Elizabeth Edwards.

I have to say the people who impress me most are the ones who don’t give in. I absolutely love fighters. Those that come from behind, if you will. Ms. Edwards is one of these rare folks who I admire. Actually, I like her husband too. Very much.

Beautiful Jane.

coincidentally and happily, cspan 2 is replaying Elizabeth’s speech and Q&A on her book “Saving Graces” right now.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/in.....mp;Code=CS

Hi Janie, how ya feeling today? In SillyValley, it’s been fairly warm and the hummingbirds are swoping in on the feeder, and dogfighting each other.

I’m pleased Edwards is staying in and I like Elizabeth’s reasoning. I have to say, she’s a lot more courageuos than anyone in the fucking Clusterfuck administration.

I hope Edwards can put up a good fight in California. I’m more of a Bill Richardson guy, Edwards doesn’t want us out of Iraq fast enough, but I’d still volunteer the band to play any fund-raiser they didn’t get some headliner for.

I’d also play for anyone challenging Boxer in the primary.

Hang tough, Jane, we need you to keep pissing HoJo off.

Breast Cancer must drive the reactive, neocon type critters nuts. It uses two nasty words to describe it.
Breast
and
Cancer.
Both untouchable unless cloaked in the darkness away from sight.

Go Kay Yow, Go John and Elizabeth Edwards, and go Heels.

Lance Armstrong is the poster boy for this story…he never took NO for an answer and we all know how that worked out.

On another note I am a graduate of UCONN, my son played in the pep band for the girls’ baksetball team, and I’m with you, Jane, I really wanted a symbolic as well as real victory for Kay Yow and her girls.

Ed*ard Teller @
11

Jane,

Lance Mackey, winner of this year’s Yukon Quest and Iditarod sled dog races:

Mackey was diagnosed with throat cancer in 2001 but continued dog sled racing entering the 2002 Iditarod race. After scratching from that race, he took a full year off from racing to recover from the disease. He is now considered cancer free, however, Mackey suffered nerve damage in his left index finger as a result of the operation to remove the cancerous tumor. The nerve damage caused such unbearable pain in the finger that Mackey chose to have the finger surgically removed.

Dog lover, racer, competitor, cancer victor! I’ll see if I can push somebody up here in the radio business to interview Lance about Elizabeth Edwards.

Nice, ET.

Renee in Ohio @
5

Interesting piece on segregation in the blogosphere here.

For me the short term (until 2008) political translation on this issue is “universal health care.” Ned hit hard on it and was rewarded in the primary.

If we work hard together on this issue, it will naturally bring people of different ethnicity and socio-economic standing together.

As Jane pointed out yesterday, it was Maxine Waters and other African Americans who led the “Out of Iraq” Congressional Caucas. MLK did the same on Vietnam.

The politics of this, writ large have other applications.

To wit:

Live life on your own terms, not in fear of what might happen.

That’s not forgetting 9/11. That’s living free. There’s no reason to have 9/11 define or change who we are, just as there’s no reason to have cancer or HIV or Parkinson’s or whatever define who you are or how you live.

it’s spelled vale, not veil.
John has my vote :)

Georgetown or UNC?

Neil @ 22

Georgetown or UNC?

Anybody have a link to graduation rates for Division 1 basketball teams? My guess is that Georgetown graduates a higher percentage of their players than UNC.

Neil @
22

Georgetown or UNC?

UNC 26, Georgetown 24 midway through first half.

Proud to be chatting with you from Raleigh, NC, (78 degrees) home of Kay Yow and neighbor of John and Elizabeth Edwards.

As another neighbor, Jim Valvano, said years ago:
“don’t give up, don’t ever give up”

{Jane} TAKE NO PRISONERS!

The story of the athlete who overcomes family tragedy and plays in the World Series while his mother is on her deathbed is a cliche you see at least twice a year. The lesson is always “His mother wouldn’t have wanted it any other way”.

This is so disgusting. The vermin are crawling out from under the rocks.

As a young teen ager, my late mother spent seven solid years in a sanatorium for those afflicted with TB. A day in which death was common for this disease. She died an old woman of eighty-six. Waves, Mom. ;0)

Pachacutec @ 20

The politics of this, writ large have other applications.

To wit:

Live life on your own terms, not in fear of what might happen.

That’s not forgetting 9/11. That’s living free. There’s no reason to have 9/11 define or change who we are, just as there’s no reason to have cancer or HIV or Parkinson’s or whatever define who you are or how you live.

Exactly.

The same bedwetters who used “9/11 changed everything” as a pretext to destroy the Constitution are going after John and Elizabeth Edwards with everything they’ve got. All the slimy rhetorical tricks are on display.

Contrast this with the British “stiff upper lip” during the months of the Blitz — which frankly made 9/11 look penny-ante — or the gracious act of Bill and Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, walking the streets of New York near Ground Zero less than forty-eight hours after the attack, sending the message: “The only thing to fear is fear itself.”

DrDave @
21

it’s spelled vale, not veil.
John has my vote :)

Yes, if she’d said “in a vale of tears”. But she didn’t. She said “surrounded by a veil of tears” - which actually kinda works.

I wrote this to Katie Couric

couricandco@cbs.com

Katie,

After facing what you did with your husband, watching the 60 Min Prom with the Edwards, how could you have asked Mrs. E about “facing death”? Geez woman, she so graciously, politely said, “aren’t we all”. It hasn’t even been a week since she got the news, how insensitive can you be? And then asking Mr. E about the possibility of losing his wife. What is wrong with you? I don’t know why they’d even let themselves be victim to you?

I have breast cancer too for the 2nd time. What stands me in good stead is being in denial most of the time and feeling disgustingly well, no chemo etc. for me. Doing natural things and sent Mrs. E alot of helpful info instead of discouraging her.

lori

Pachacutec @
20

The politics of this, writ large have other applications.

To wit:

Live life on your own terms, not in fear of what might happen.

That’s not forgetting 9/11. That’s living free. There’s no reason to have 9/11 define or change who we are, just as there’s no reason to have cancer or HIV or Parkinson’s or whatever define who you are or how you live.

Pach, I see a direct correlation between the people who preach the “curl up and be quiet” approach and their politics.

Elizabeth and John Edwards are blowing big, fat raspberries at those who cower beind their gated communities, voting out of fear of the bogeyman, be it a Muslim, illness, or loss of some sort of personal control.

Should Edwards capture the nomination or be the VP candidate, the GOP may try to make something of Ms. Edwards’ illness. If they do, it will backfire.

John Casper @ 23 “My guess is that Georgetown graduates a higher percentage of their players than UNC”

Really? I would be surprised if G-town has a higher graduation rate for their hoop players than UNC.

I’ll bet the school and/or NCAA doesnn’t break it down by sport, just by student body percentage of percentage of intercollegiate athletes (that graduate.)

Elizabeth Edwards said: “I am denying it control over how I spend the rest of my life.”

That’s just GREAT! And wonderful - and moving. And INSPIRING!

From: Filled with pain and still smiling and moving on.

Sometimes people confuse denial with absolute acceptance.

I sent this to

john@johnedwards.com

If you’re going on shows, maybe it’s a good idea to refuse to talk about the Cancer. Don’t mention the word, keep it very upbeat and off limits. I never talk about it, don’t want it imprinted in my brain.

Elizabeth has to keep it as far from conscienceness as possible. Attitude has alot to do with it. Being constantly reminded only puts pressure on the nervous and immune system.

I think we can beat it by ignoring it and building ourselves to as optimal a state of health as possible. Most important, don’t get to tired, listen to the body, give it a chance to heal.

And haven’t seen a traditional Doc in over a year since diagnosis.

Love to You Mr & Mrs. Edwards

Just my $.02

lori

ha …..just saw president bush Sr. on c-span…they asked him for his most thrilling moment as president and he went into a long answer about how it was standing on pennsylvania ave. watching the Troops Come Home….ha….he just snarked his own kid….

I am in awe of anyone living with a chronic illness/condition who embraces life to the fullest. I had a temporary gastro-thingie a couple of months ago, spent a week on the couch, and marveled at that time about people who get themselves off that couch not just to live their lives, but to live full and meaningful lives. (I realize every ill person has his/her well-deserved time on the couch; but I noticed how dispirited I was — i.e., a bit depressed. It takes great core strength to overcome that, I’m thinking.)

Who the F is this Joan Whatserface, who writes this Boston Globe drivel to which you have linked (and I won’t give her the pleasure of another link)?

I read her column with the care of a lawyer, looking for logic. In the end, she says that only John Edwards can put a stop to his campaign, in order (I guess) to comfort his wife who (as proved by the preceding paragraphs in the column) doesn’t want him to stop.

Perhaps I shouldn’t be looking for logic in the column.

After all, at the bottom she admits that she published a column a few days ago that said that US Senator Sam Brownback comes from Texas.

Maybe she doesn’t have “Preview” on her computer? Or maybe she does, and doesn’t know her illogic and factual mistakes until readers write in and point them out.

I won’t be bothering.

Oklahoma kiddo @
27

As a young teen ager, my late mother spent seven solid years in a sanatorium for those afflicted with TB. A day in which death was common for this disease. She died an old woman of eighty-six. Waves, Mom. ;0)

You’re very lucky. My late mother was diagnosed with TB in ‘69 when she was fifty and it was all downhill from there with just about every other lung disease EXCEPT cancer. And they thought she had that at one point but the biopsy of the lungectomy showed a different fungus…

The media response to the Edwards family’s situation is a metaphor for their failure to handle so many cancerous situations from which they are constantly averting their eyes. Hugh’s list is an enumeration of over a hundred cancers which the media have refused to competently or professionally address. And when we, family members in this nation, this planet bring them up, the media ignores, scolds or slimes us.

I predict that in five years Elizabeth Edwards will be fine, the blogs will be growing quite well, and many of these purposefully insensitive shills will be off the air, nursing their unhealable wounds, like so many unrepentant Amfortases.

As my predictions here go, this is as optimistic as they get. But I believe we have much reason for hope.

YUCK.

Katie Couric.

Katie Couric is to journalism what panty hose are to…to…well, I can’t say it, it’ll get moderated out.

If you know the history of Waylon Jennings, you’ll know the last part of the expression.

sturgeone @ 37

ha …..just saw president bush Sr. on c-span…they asked him for his most thrilling moment as president and he went into a long answer about how it was standing on pennsylvania ave. watching the Troops Come Home….ha….he just snarked his own kid….

Oh, SNAP!

Neil @
33

John Casper @ 23 “My guess is that Georgetown graduates a higher percentage of their players than UNC”

Really? I would be surprised if G-town has a higher graduation rate for their hoop players than UNC.

I’ll bet the school and/or NCAA doesnn’t break it down by sport, just by student body percentage of percentage of intercollegiate athletes (that graduate.)

I believe nowadays, each sport is broken down including football and basketball. One of the reasons is NCAA is now forcing schools to track so that if atheletes are not making progress, school loses scholarships for that sport. Even if player leaves early, player has to be in good standing. That’s why Kentucky is going to be hosed by Randolph Morris dropping out mid-term to go to NBA.

good health to you, Lori…sending you strength and lots of support for your choices.

laurie9 @ 38

I am in awe of anyone living with a chronic illness/condition who embraces life to the fullest. I had a temporary gastro-thingie a couple of months ago, spent a week on the couch, and marveled at that time about people who get themselves off that couch not just to live their lives, but to live full and meaningful lives.

You have to get up off the couch, or out of bed, or else you’re just giving up on life. I have a couple of chronic conditions that could stop me if I let them, but what fun would that be?

Jane, if you haven’t already, you gotta see The Gonzopedia.

Unfortunately, FDL isn’t linked on the main page and that page isn’t editable, but the whole project is useful for those of us who want to do our own review of things, and share with others.

Among other things, a team of volunteers is scanning in the Gonzo document dumps, using Optical Character Recognition, and producing searchable versions of the emails about the US Attorney firings.

Remarkable.

(An example of the searchable scanning project is Documents released 3-23-07 (10))

Here’s another tale of someone who didn’t let cancer control the way they wanted to live their life. Joe Roth, student athlete at the University of California in the mid-1970’s, went to Cal after a bout of melanoma in Jr. College, went on to play quarterback in two stellar seasons…the second after the cancer had returned. Joe continued to live his life the way he wanted..including going to classes and taking his finals…even though he certainly could have said “screw that” (and lots of healthy athletes who had the pro career prospects of Joe Roth do that anyways)…but Joe was very special.

I still think about Joe…and I see that same attitude in Elizabeth Edwards, Jane and many others with illnesses or with “disabilities” who simply refuse to let these be barriers to LIVING.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/....._n16879106

dakine01 @ 40

Oklahoma kiddo @
27

As a young teen ager, my late mother spent seven solid years in a sanatorium for those afflicted with TB. A day in which death was common for this disease. She died an old woman of eighty-six. Waves, Mom. ;0)

You’re very lucky. My late mother was diagnosed with TB in ‘69 when she was fifty and it was all downhill from there with just about every other lung disease EXCEPT cancer. And they thought she had that at one point but the biopsy of the lungectomy showed a different fungus…

Why can’t we all just live to be say three-hundred. I mean, what’s the difference? That’s what me and my Grandma used to ask each other, when we both knew ‘her time’ was near.

Teddy, what did you do with that moccasin bleach?

When I was diagnosed with cancer (5+ years ago - I’m fine now), I only told a few close friends. At the time, I didn’t understand why I kept it private, as I am normally a very open person. But seeing the reaction to Elizabeth Edwards, I now understand what was in my mind. I didn’t want to be treated as “other”, as “different”. Jane said it very well when she talked about the “concern trolls”. You go, Elizabeth!

Football 12 04 06 graduation rates courtesy of the Boston Globe.

Not only do they break it out by sport, they also break it out by ethnicity.

The dirty little secret about college athletics (football and basketball) is that it’s almost all about recruiting. It’s a lot easier to find great coaches than it is to find great players.
At the Division 1A level, there is very little that separates the coaches and they know it. Everyone watches film, everyone runs the same plays, the same defenses. There are no secrets. Who wins usually comes down to who has more professional caliber talent. It’s not that coaching and effort don’t matter, they do. It’s just that at that level, Division 1A, everyone’s a workaholic, players and coaches.

Unfortunately college coaches spend most of their time recruiting. You’re either evaluating film or on the road. You’re trying to allocate this year’s scholarships, at the same time you’re targeting younger kids. A very, very, very small number of high school athletes (”the difference makers”) get an extraordinary amount of attention.

Remember Molly. She taught us so much.

What is this newfound concern trolling anyway?

Compare and contrast with their treatment of resurrecting and “saving” the very unfortunate Terri Schiavo while demonizing her husband who knew her wishes!

Elizabeth is very much alive & vibrant & and it is HER right to make her own decisions with her husband and children.

Millions of people all over the globe are capable of making their own decisions when faced with illness. We all have to do it.

These thugs and others make me sick.

Not one of my dear (mostly too too young) friends who have passed from terrible diseases ever stopped living– in fact, they lived more and better.

many of these purposefully insensitive shills will be off the air, nursing their unhealable wounds, like so many unrepentant Amfortases.

Having failed to ask “What ails ye, uncle?”

Mary McCurnin @ 53

Remember Molly. She taught us so much.

I’ll always remember Molly. ;0)

((((((((Thx dipper)))))))))

I want others to know about what’s going on in other parts of the world too that our govt. won’t acknowledge. The criminal Pharmas have to pay their stockholders and buy off the FDA.

Essiac

https://essiac.readyhosting.com/index.htm

Respan ( I found about this on DailyKos and researched it)

http://www.anticancer.net/vaccine.html

DCA RESEARCH INFORMATION

(It would be great if the funds needed could be raised to do the trials. We could both volunteer ;o}}) 1.5 million isn’t very much in the scheme of things.)

http://www.depmed.ualberta.ca/dca/

http://www.newscientist.com/ar.....ncers.html

DCA and Cancer

http://www.thedcasite.com/

750 mg every 12 hours (a total of 1500mg or 1.5 grams per day) Rather than trying to prepare your own, you can purchase Sodium DCA from a pharmacy in Edmonton, Alberta called Market Drugs Medical. You will require a prescription from a medical doctor. The phone # is 780-422-1397. The cost is approx. $2.00 per 500 milligram capsule. Ask for Ron in pharmacy.

http://www.dichloroacetate.org/viewtopic.php?t=21

Even though you’re Mrs. John Edwards, we’re just guinea pigs for these Docs.

[Mod Note; FWIW, more than two or three links may result in your comment being trapped by the spam filters. You may want to break up this many links into several comments in the future. Thanks.]

this had me bawling my eyes out …you probably have to be a college basketball fan to appreciate the weight of this tribute

Duke players wear pink laces in solidarity with Coach Kay

in her mother’s final days of battling cancer, Coach Yow would spend the entire day at her bedside, and once her mother fell asleep would go one floor up and sit the night through with the family of Jim Valvano

watertiger @
31

Pachacutec @
20

The politics of this, writ large have other applications.

To wit:

Live life on your own terms, not in fear of what might happen.

That’s not forgetting 9/11. That’s living free. There’s no reason to have 9/11 define or change who we are, just as there’s no reason to have cancer or HIV or Parkinson’s or whatever define who you are or how you live.

Pach, I see a direct correlation between the people who preach the “curl up and be quiet” approach and their politics.

Elizabeth and John Edwards are blowing big, fat raspberries at those who cower beind their gated communities, voting out of fear of the bogeyman, be it a Muslim, illness, or loss of some sort of personal control.

That is a very good point.

Neil @
33

John Casper @ 23 “My guess is that Georgetown graduates a higher percentage of their players than UNC”

Really? I would be surprised if G-town has a higher graduation rate for their hoop players than UNC.

I’ll bet the school and/or NCAA doesnn’t break it down by sport, just by student body percentage of percentage of intercollegiate athletes (that graduate.)

Actually the NCAA does issue graduation rates by individual sports for schools. The school I teach at regularly is exposed as having horrific graduation rates at in football, basketball and baseball which they tend to try and justify by the higher graduation rates in gymnastics, tennis, softball, volleyball, crew, and track/cross-country.

Really? I would be surprised if G-town has a higher graduation rate for their hoop players than UNC.

I don’t know and I don’t have a horse in the race. John Thompson III used to coach at Princeton. I’m not sure how good his Dad was at getting his kids to graduate. I suspect it wasn’t very good. Roy Williams imho is like most college coaches, he’s in it for Roy, although he would never admit it. He’s a great recruiter, no denying that. I don’t mean in anyway to diss the tarheels. I truly have no idea what their graduation rate is.

While I detest Bob Knight as a malevolent human being, he is/was a phenomenal basketball coach wrt X’s and O’s. At least at Indiana he made his kids go to class and graduate at a far far higher rate than his peers.

Jane,
It’s a difficult topic for those of us never having been diagnosed with a terrible disease. I think that’s why there are so few comments.

I certainly don’t know the right thing to say, except that should I ever get the “news”, I would hold you and Elizabeth as examples of the right way to behave.

Think of all the pups, the old doggies and most importantly, all the BLOODHOUNDS you have let loose! Thanks again.

cinnamonape at 3:15 pm

Very well stated, thanks.

It’s outrageous that Bush opposes stem-cell research purely to satisfy his ultra right wing fanatical fans.

I would like to do my own research on Bush’s tiny stem-cells.

Ed*ard Teller @ 41

The media response to the Edwards family’s situation is a metaphor for their failure to handle so many cancerous situations from which they are constantly averting their eyes. Hugh’s list is an enumeration of over a hundred cancers which the media have refused to competently or professionally address. And when we, family members in this nation, this planet bring them up, the media ignores, scolds or slimes us.

Exactly…as John Dean once said “There is a cancer on the Presidency” and the media simply has turned away from it time and again, largely to deny their ongoing responsibility for it.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 62

It’s outrageous that Bush opposes stem-cell research purely to satisfy his ultra right wing fanatical fans.

The Snowflake Cowboy.

yech.

I’m never gonna forgive him for that veto. Never.

(among hundreds of other things and hundreds of thousands of lives that he has ended and ruined)

John Casper @
52

Football 12 04 06 graduation rates courtesy of the Boston Globe.

Not only do they break it out by sport, they also break it out by ethnicity.

The dirty little secret about college athletics (football and basketball) is that it’s almost all about recruiting. It’s a lot easier to find great coaches than it is to find great players.
At the Division 1A level, there is very little that separates the coaches and they know it. Everyone watches film, everyone runs the same plays, the same defenses. There are no secrets. Who wins usually comes down to who has more professional caliber talent. It’s not that coaching and effort don’t matter, they do. It’s just that at that level, Division 1A, everyone’s a workaholic, players and coaches.

Unfortunately college coaches spend most of their time recruiting. You’re either evaluating film or on the road. You’re trying to allocate this year’s scholarships, at the same time you’re targeting younger kids. A very, very, very small number of high school athletes (”the difference makers”) get an extraordinary amount of attention.

One of the major downsides for Kentucky losing Tubby is his emphasis on the classroom. I believe I read that last semester, the MEN’S b’ball team had the highest GPA of all the sports at UK

Go Jane!!! Many meanings. Delurking to say Go Jane and FDL.

Georgetown hanging in there, eh?

angie @
54

What is this newfound concern trolling anyway?

Compare and contrast with their treatment of resurrecting and “saving” the very unfortunate Terri Schiavo while demonizing her husband who knew her wishes!

Elizabeth is very much alive & vibrant & and it is HER right to make her own decisions with her husband and children.

Millions of people all over the globe are capable of making their own decisions when faced with illness. We all have to do it.

These thugs and others make me sick.

Not one of my dear (mostly too too young) friends who have passed from terrible diseases ever stopped living– in fact, they lived more and better.

Why angie, don’t you know? They ALL have a direct pipeline to Gawd and know exactly what he thinks about everything and if you don’t believe me, just ask ‘em and they’ll tell ya fer sure…

(Yes, I had my walk today. I earned my basketball watching privileges.)

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Jane,

A little link editing needed.

You have linked CBS twice. The second time is under “NYT.”

The proper NYT web page is linked, instead, at “Kay Yow.”

There is no proper link for “Kay Yow.”

(And that’s what I wanted to read!)

Jane Hamsher @ 71

(Yes, I had my walk today. I earned my basketball watching privileges.)

ha! i was just about to ask… ;)

Oklahoma kiddo @
64

It’s outrageous that Bush opposes stem-cell research purely to satisfy his ultra right wing fanatical fans.

His friends can all go to hell. The stupidest of his right-wing supporters can be found here. Some serious great unwashed here. Un-brained, too.

mi’ lady jane;
i just hit paypal for the third time this week…i was waiting till i had the spare change in my budget, but added more because i recognize your spitfire (or spit and fire) attitude………and felt it needed even more of my support. in the tangible way.

for many reasons i won’t get into, no need, i completely love what goes on here, love what you are doing, see the best for you and see a train comin’ round the bend-that you helped supply the coal to power it……

((((you go girl))))

love,
dayna

bookwoman @ 17

Lance Armstrong is the poster boy for this story…he never took NO for an answer and we all know how that worked out.

But — but he’s a Republican! So it’s OK if he does it!

No doubt it would have made the concern trolls uncomfortable, who keep on finding new and creative reasons why Elizabeth and John Edward should just curl up under a rock somewhere and stop making them feel icky.

How marverlous that they refuse to do so.

Well. Are concern trolls going after Mitt “I Told My Wife to Shut Up About her MS” Romney? I mean, here’s a man who’s basically ordered his wife to shut up about her Multiple Sclerosis so he can run for president. It began with a press conference before he even became governor of MA. When she began to express doubts about her health, he told her to shut up, in front of a room full of reporters.

So, Concern Trolls of Murka, please do turn your attention to ‘Slap em Quiet’ Romney… you’ll surely want to have him pay more attention to Ann and her MS, right?

That Joan Venocchi Globe column just p-o’d me in the worst way today. Love how she uses the term “political observer” to then rake the Edwardses over the coals about how they chose to lead their lives given all the circumstances they’ve dealt with and are dealing with right now. What a joke, no she’s judging them based on what and how she believes they should lead their lives even though she has no personal knowledge of their family and support networks or medical recommendations. How dare she, no what they need right is for hacks like herself to give them empathy and support instead of condemning them about how they should lead their own lives under these circumstances. I’m always amazed at how all these “political observers” are experts in telling other people how to lead their lives when they know very little about it personally and when it doesn’t jive with their own preconceived notions.

I wish some politician would just say “the following matters are not the concern of the government: health decisions, marriage decisions, beginning of life decisions, end of life decisions, religious affiliation. These are personal family decisions, and not the business of government.”

Why can’t that happen? Is it so very revolutionary these days?

Personally I really wish that “Big Time College Sports” would go the way of European Club Sports or the “minor league baseball” system. I see Division I athletics really tainting the University system in very malevolent ways (cheating, pampering of athletes by reserving class-spots for them, shunting money into athletics that could go into academics, fostering alumni pride principally on the basis of sports rather than the scientific or other accomplishments of the school, it goes on-and-on). We’ve become an athlete-obsessed society and have neglected how very little productive benefit this has overall.

I’m saying this as a former two-sport Division College athlete and recordholder at a Pac 10 school.

Scholarships intended for affirmative action programs are awarded to athletes who have “leadership” or “performance” points on admissions. These knock out minority and economically deprived kids that deserve these spots on academic performance and would likely have much higher retention rates.

In addition the schools use these athletes to imply that they are successful at recruiting minority and disadvantaged students. But all they are really doing is recruiting indentured servants for their “money sports”.

the concern trolls, repubs: the 30%-ers, all are afraid: they (bushies) have used nothing but fear tacticts, the country is waking up, is no longer afraid.. the momentum is building

ok kiddo @27

As a young teen ager, my late mother spent seven solid years in a sanatorium for those afflicted with TB. A day in which death was common for this disease. She died an old woman of eighty-six. Waves, Mom. ;0)

oh MAN

((((kiddo))))

Something the casual fan does not appreciate about college basketball is the sophistication. In “man to man” (the non-sexist reference is “player” defense), you often have to “switch” if you’re “picked.“
It sounds easy, but at this level everyone runs different defenses. Sometimes “bigs” only switch if they are picked by another “big.” Sometimes they switch every pick and every cross (that’s pretty much what zone defense is) . Sometimes they switch just on one player. Sometimes they only “hedge” which is not a switch. Whether the defender goes over or under the pick also makes a huge difference.

Like almost everything else, this trickled down from the NBA.

OT, a “small” like John Stockton picking a “big” inside the lane area creates a huge advantage for the offense. Opposing coaches’ solution to Stockton setting these picks was to tell their bigs to “break his arm or anything else,” if he does it.

Jane Hamsher @
70

Georgetown hanging in there, eh?

UNC 73, Georgetown 65 with 9:14 remaining in the second half

UNC is killing Georgetown with their depth. I think that’s why the huge discrepancy in rebounding.

Phoenix Woman @ 78:

But — but he’s a Republican! So it’s OK if he does it!

In fairness, I’m not positive what Armstrong’s political affilitation is, but he

opposes the Iraq war and wants more spending on cancer research (Time Aug. 29, 2005)

But I get your drift…that the same standards don’t hold for the wingers. They just like to smear the “opponent”.

watertiger 31

Pach, I see a direct correlation between the people who preach the “curl up and be quiet” approach and their politics.

Elizabeth and John Edwards are blowing big, fat raspberries at those who cower beind their gated communities, voting out of fear of the bogeyman, be it a Muslim, illness, or loss of some sort of personal control.

watertiger–my best friend just went home from a weekend here and we were discussing this…she is an art teacher…

our culture has taken a turn, for the good, we were talking how it is happening now

many are taught ‘curl up and be quiet’ (i was) and exemplefies itself in even little ways in our everyday lives,(sleeping late, what we each, career choices, mate choices, etc..) but we each encourage each other to live our own lives to the fullest–we only get one, and as each one does this it encourages someone else, coaxes someone else out of their shadows that they can do the same in their own way in their own lives…..so, what you said, yeah.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @
86

Jane Hamsher @
70

Georgetown hanging in there, eh?

UNC 73, Georgetown 65 with 9:14 remaining in the second half

They could still make a run and close it but it’s looking unlikely.

cinnamonape at 3:37 pm
Thanks.

Georgetown Graduation Rates
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/inst2006/251.pdf

UNC, Chapel Hill
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/inst2006/457.pdf

Phoenix Woman @
78

bookwoman @ 17

Lance Armstrong is the poster boy for this story…he never took NO for an answer and we all know how that worked out.

But — but he’s a Republican! So it’s OK if he does it!

I don’t think that Armstrong is a Republican, though the Bushies have tried to spin him that way. According to this article he describes his political views as “Middle to Left”, and that he was telling Bush (who he befriended when the latter was Governor “as fellow Texans”) that the war in Iraq was going to be a disaster long before most folks…and that it would be a drain on FUTURE generations of Americans.

http://www.lancearmstrongfancl.....nline.html

I think it’s possible that Armstrong has surrepticiously made political contributions to Kerry through some of his lesser known “employers”.

http://www.fundrace.org/neighb.....rch=Search by Location&type=loc&zip=32822

Thanks very much Neil.

I’m always a little more vigorous in my pursuit of a information when my curiosity has a company. Thanks John.

Loks like Georgeown will compete for the win.
74-77 @ 3:15

Did anyone watch the D2 championship yesterday. Talk about a fantastic finish! Marcy’s college won it’s first ever national championship in men’s D3 basketball last Saturday. The senior captain forward Dan W. is gong to med schoolnext year.

i started to quote all of the college sports discussion people, and i decided not to……..my former husband was a coach at a division I school, won’t say which sport……it has taken me three years later to be able to enjoy watching any sport again, really….my head would spin from the things involved, i’m not kidding, it is ugly ugly ugly…….it is as intense and involved as the politics we discuss in this forum, and the manuevarings(sp?) are all very secret……it is as dark and ugly as the bush white house……..there are some good things, and the rest is ugly…….i hear someone is a student athlete and i fell deep compassion for them, and hope that they have good coach. it is a game, a big game, and people need to understand that they are being ’spun’ with sports the same way they are being spun in politics………i’m done with my rant, maybe i’ll write a book about it someday, no, it’s too ugly, best left unsaid……..so, enjoy what you’re watching, but what really goes on is not what you’re seein’ on tv……

One of the things paradoxically that has helped Georgetown is the fouls. The aerobic demands of basketball diminish dramatically when the “bonus” comes into effect (seven fouls = 1-1). Instead of inbounding after a foul, players get a rest, at the free throw line. It increases again on the “double bonus”, (ten fouls = two free shots).

and please excuse my rant at 97

the first time i’ve ever done that………felt really good to say that out loud, it is verboten to do that……….wow, i feel real now.

dmac at 4:06,
Thanks very much for your comment.

Have you read John Feinstein’s SEASON ON THE BRINK?

This one’s turned into quite a nailbiter. Go Heels!

And I have to say, it’s looking a lot like the end of another UNC-Georgetown game in 1982.

dmac, i’m glad you can enjoy the sport of it again. don’t think about again. three years is long enough.

Elizabeth!

If only those losers could figure out that your nation is badly in need of inspiration, and here it is.

I personally would love to see the college game go back to the 45 second clock. I think it would reduce the premium on athletic ability. I love the three point shot, however. That has been a great change.

Jane I don’t think illness makes them feel icky at all. After watching this bunch in action lo these many years, my inclination is that they are just a bunch of bullies. Elizabeth Edward’s cancer will be used as a cudgel by some to try and beat her into submission. It’s not personal. If you happened to be clinging to cliff by your fingernails and one of them passed by, they’d probably step on you just because they could. I don’t worry about anyone undermining the confidence of Mrs. Edward’s decisions, I don’t even worry about having a poinsoning influence on public opinion. Most adults without an axe to grind get exactly what the Edwards’ are saying about living fully, with goals and passion. Would that all could have the courage to embrace life so fearlessly. Pity the concern trolls, they are very small and mean.

The play here for GU is called “homerun.”

Anyone remember Duke Kentucky, Grant Hill’s throw to Christian Laetner?

I suspect that will be Georgetown’s first option. The clock doesn’t start until someone catches it.
GU will have other perimeter shooters available.

my dad coached college football and needed years after retirement to get over how unsatisfactorily it all ended.

With the game in overtime, Emptywheel has a new post upstairs.

G-town doesn’t get the shot off. WE HAVE OT! John C’s call for a pass to within 15 feet was a great idea. Put him on the bench!

New marcy upstairs and OT on the tube…

John Casper @
107

The play here for GU is called “homerun.”

Anyone remember Duke Kentucky, Grant Hill’s throw to Christian Laetner?

I suspect that will be Georgetown’s first option. The clock doesn’t start until someone catches it.
GU will have other perimeter shooters available.

Please don’t bring up those bad memories… :}(

Mary McCurnin @
65

I would like to do my own research on Bush’s tiny stem-cells.

Or how about his brain stem?

John Casper @ 107: Yes.

And I too liked the 45-second clock. Mainly because it you could actually watch plays develop. A bit more elegance to the game. Then, one of the reasons I like baseball is because I think it’s elegant.

Damn, UNC can’t buy a rebound.

dakine01 at 4:19 pm

Deepest apologies.
I was rooting for Kentucky (but not being from the Blue Grass state, I recognize that I cannot feel your pain). It’s a very common play, I just mentioned it because so many people have seen it.

I have a friend who was given a few months to live and she’s approachng her second year. From the very beginning she behaved as if nothing unusual had occurred. She did not miss a beat. In fact, if anything, she picked up the pace.

She has two young kids. Young - but old enough to know that something was up. They’re nine and seven. When crises occur, don’t we always say that the best thing for our kids is to keep to the routine? What the Edwards family has chosen to do is to continue their routine, which is the best course for all of them.

What do these insane people want them to do - go home and stroke each other. I wish they’d all just mind their own pathetic business.

Celtic Music @ 114

John Casper @ 107: Yes.

And I too liked the 45-second clock. Mainly because it you could actually watch plays develop. A bit more elegance to the game. Then, one of the reasons I like baseball is because I think it’s elegant.

Damn, UNC can’t buy a rebound.

You are so right. Even the NBA coaches recognize that our game has “gotten ugly.” I really enjoy what the Phoenix Suns do as well as the Europeans. The marketing people almost ruined the NBA imho with all the “illegal defense” stuff. High school basketball, because it doesn’t have a clock has some purity the older levels don’t.

Nice to watch the game with you guys!

My team lost, but I have to say there was something nice about seeing John Thompson’s son coaching Pat Ewing’s son at the same school. Guess they got even for 1982.

john casper

dmac at 4:06,
Thanks very much for your comment.

Have you read John Feinstein’s SEASON ON THE BRINK?

no, thank you, i will write it down……i did read the coach’s wife, by a notre dame coach’s wife in order to try and understand it all at time, but it didn’t help……..i wish i could articulate how it is as involved as the bush white house…….what you hear personally from a coach or from an ‘insider’ is not what you would hear when you are on the INSIDE………..i wish more people understood this……..my own parents are athletic supporters, big money, presence, etc., it was hard to articulate to them……..there are good programs out there, don’t get me wrong, but it is as complicated and as ugly as the bush white house……and this is the first time i have articulated it in public………just so ya know……..is as locked down an environment as you could ever see………i worked for a ‘privacy matters’ corporation, it wasn’t as private as these dudes are………it’s locked down, and people don’t have a clue what goes on in college sports, it’s something that has not been exposed. and won’t be.

Based on my experience, which doesn’t compare with your’s I would certainly agree.

Feinstein’s book is about Bob Knight, but I think he is emblematic of many coaches.

There has been some talk of a coaches’ union, especially for assistant coaches. Providing some financial security is important, to counter the moving that most coaches families have to go through.

Celtic Music @
118

Nice to watch the game with you guys!

My team lost, but I have to say there was something nice about seeing John Thompson’s son coaching Pat Ewing’s son at the same school. Guess they got even for 1982.

Well said.

I still remember the young MJ knocking down that shot.

thanks neil-it surprised me how long it took me to be able to just watch sports……..and i was a diver, a swimmer and a tennis player, so i like sports, grew up on them, and the arts……took a long time for the sour smell of college sports to wear off……..it’s heavy…..really……people just don’t know…….it’s an intense arena. and it’s all privately kept within the universities……..and will be forever…….meanwhile, people watch it, love it, and spend money on it……..so it will go on…….but what i saw was sickening and took a long time to forget……….so, thanks………now i watch and try not to think about it……..go back to the glory days when i didn’t know what goes on………sometimes i think that is being a simple-minded fool to just ignore what i don[t like, but then i thought, the machine rolls on and there’s not much i can do about it……..it is what it is, and it seems to work, people love it, and it provides income for the university, but what the cost? not apparent yet…….appears to be none right now…….we’ll see…….

in my mind’s eye

I have a friend who was given a few months to live and she’s approachng her second year. From the very beginning she behaved as if nothing unusual had occurred. She did not miss a beat. In fact, if anything, she picked up the pace.

She has two young kids. Young - but old enough to know that something was up. They’re nine and seven. When crises occur, don’t we always say that the best thing for our kids is to keep to the routine? What the Edwards family has chosen to do is to continue their routine, which is the best course for all of them.

What do these insane people want them to do - go home and stroke each other. I wish they’d all just mind their own pathetic business.

yeah, i knew someone like that, too………

Watching the Edwards piece now. Really moving. “We have to live today the best way we know how. We have to be really sensitive about the way we have chosen to serve our country, and our children.”

Never, ever let anyone dictate to you how you should live your life…..

Especially because it is so finite…

dmac, I doubt this will help, but you’ve eaten fruit from the “tree of knowledge.” The Genesis myth, expelling Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, hasn’t stuck around so long, because it’s about God or nudity. It’s about the human experience of lost innocence. It’s rare, however, that I read someone describe it as heartbreakingly well as you did.

John Casper @ 107

The play here for GU is called “homerun.”

Anyone remember Duke Kentucky, Grant Hill’s throw to Christian Laetner?

I suspect that will be Georgetown’s first option. The clock doesn’t start until someone catches it.
GU will have other perimeter shooters available.

How could anyone forget??

thanks john casper, i thought i spit all of that out for no apparent reason, not so……….

dmac, I doubt this will help, but you’ve eaten fruit from the “tree of knowledge.” The Genesis myth, expelling Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, hasn’t stuck around so long, because it’s about God or nudity. It’s about the human experience of lost innocence. It’s rare, however, that I read someone describe it as heartbreakingly well as you did.

Pam @
124

Watching the Edwards piece now. Really moving. “We have to live today the best way we know how. We have to be really sensitive about the way we have chosen to serve our country, and our children.”

It was nice, wasn’t it?

(this is my sister, btw)

A lot of people are still operating off the old model of sickness and cancer. Back in the day, when you or someone you knew got sick, you lay down and played the part. You took the extra pity and got waited upon, extra treats, no work, no blame (hell, you were sick!) no one could pick on you or say bad things about you. However…you had to act sick and not do anything that could be done for you.
If you had incurable cancer or were “retarded”, everyone pitied you and kept you in the back bedroom out of the way of normal, healthy people. You got a tray and spent your days with books, looking out the window over the lawn and watched everyone else running and playing and having fun. If you were lucky, you got a visitor…and you were damned grateful for it.
Fast forward 25-30 years and not only can you be sick and not show it, you can actually have a life! You can work, party, have kids (yes, disabled people have children now! For years it was FROWNED UPON)
The old model no longer serves in any shape, form or fashion. thank goodness. In the meantime, it is up to us to educate the ignorant and let them know it is no longer cool to keep the lunatics and sick locked in the attic.

Pet food maker to pay for vet bills

Same poison that killed and sickened animals is used in Cancer drugs

Entire USA Today Article

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n......htm?csp=1

“Aminopterin, also used as a cancer drug, is highly toxic in high doses. It inhibits the growth of malignant cells and suppresses the immune system. In dogs and cats, it can cause kidney failure,(and in humans?) according to Donald Smith, dean of Cornell University’s College of Veterinary Medicine.”

1. My father died young after a long and debilitating illness. We had good days and bad. Being Mr. Responsibility, his greatest concern was leaving behind a young wife and two young sons with his work unfinished. He never realized he “…finished the course…” because he taught us how to carry on with life, and face down death with dignity and grace. I hope to do half so well when my time comes.

2. The regard with which the Edwards hold each other was a beautiful thing to see. Thru sickness and in health.

3. And the cherry on the cake - Georgetown hung tough, UNC did some poor game management, and my TarHeels lost.

This Irishman needs a drink.
Gonna

Aminopterin Killing animals and People too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminopterin

Apologies for all the posts, I keep doing “Google” research

lori

I want to leave myself out of what I say in comments but thought that it would help if I said this; I have worked and lived through two bouts of interferon and then one more that I had to end in the middle of the course. you don’t surrender your self to any illness if one can help it, that would lessen the life you have left. In the present one continues to have dreams and aspirations and surprise, surprise, you get filled with all kinds of creative juice, mine in the pursuit of shape and sound, and learning how to play guitar at 65 years of age. wah fucking hoo life is 360 degrees and precious to the end. this said not to elicit sympathy but to celebrate life no matter what it holds for us, despair, joy, love, or any emotion you can name. Thanks all for the care you display for our country and the world, yea I am quite sentimental and easily moved to tears so forgive me if I bubble over the top of the glass. I am a little afraid to post this so that means I should.

Wow, when I read that link to Vennochi’s article titled, “Maybe It’s Time for a Candidate To Be a Husband”…all I could think of was:

Maybe It’s Time for Clueless Pundits to Shut the Fuck Up.

What an awful, awful concern troll article.

Kay Yow has been an inspiration for many years. She runs a solid program and is very active in the community. It’s a shame that it took her cancer to get her the national recognition that she so richly deserves as one of the finest basketball coaches in the United States.

I hope she is able to continue for many years to come.