
A few weeks ago, I wrote a piece angrily pointing out what I saw as a willingness on the part of NPR's "All Things Considered" to freely and gleefully scrape the bottom of the NeoCons' intellectual barrel in selecting guests for political commentary. Witless wonders like Jonah Goldberg, Dinesh D'Souza, and Rich Lowry have been given prime spots in the show's line-up to spew all manner of ideological pollution with no attempts to explain to the audience that people like D'Souza are bargain-basement GOP flacks with long, impeccable résumés of failure. The pathetic dunderheads who haunt NRO's The Corner and the back halls of shady Right Wing publishing houses are the truck stop prostitutes of the information superhighway and should only be allowed to speak in public with a warning label:
WARNING: This person's ideas have no basis in fact and have been cynically manipulated around a fixed ideological point. For entertainment purposes only. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. Basing policy on these concepts can result in serious injury and death.
So, imagine my surprise on Thursday when "All Things Considered" kicked off with a refreshingly unbiased, downright laudatory story about the role Josh Marshall and Talking Points Memo have played in the unravelling of the Abu Gonzales justice department. Most of us know the story of how Marshall and his readers have been on this case for months now and the tale of the now-fabled 3000 page document dump and subsequent all-night data mining expedition. TPM staff and people all across the blogosphere joined forces to drill through the stacks of PDF's in record time, neatly sabotaging the administration's stall-tactic.
Oh, how I wish I could have been a fly on the wall in Karl Rove's little crisis command center when they came in the next morning and announced that a bunch of liberal bloggers had read every single document in less that 24 hours and wanted to know what the hell happened to the crucial missing 18 days of emails around the actual firings. They thought they had bought themselves some time, heh, and it woulda worked to, if it hadn't been for us meddling kids.
Yay.
But anyway, if you haven't listened to the ATC piece, you should. For once, liberal bloggers are being portrayed in Big Media without an anti-blog agenda, and it's amazing how good we come off when someone besides Bill O'Reilly is talking about us. Never once does reporter Robert Smith describe the bloggers involved as amoral, obsessive, and deranged, or even as partisan extremists. He accurately conveys what has been a reporting coup for bloggers, the kind of fair hearing we have long been denied by mainstream reporters. The piece hits its money note, though, when they bring in our friend Jay Rosen:
But the site has gotten people's attention. New York University journalism professor Jay Rosen says that this is the direction some blogs are pushing in: original reporting fueled by the talents and efforts of their readership. How do you trust readers to do a reporters job? Rosen says you wait and see.
"If it holds up over time, we trust it. If other people looking at the same material get the same results, well, that suggests we can trust it," Rosen says. "If mistakes are made and are caught quickly and corrected by the same people who are making them, that says maybe this system can be trusted."
Well, in our case that's true. In the case of Michelle "Wrong-Way" Malkin, and her cabal of fact-free, evidence-denying toadies, you get no correction. It's just rank speculation bouncing off willful obtuseness, ricocheting around a chamber of distortion, what I call the physics of a fart in a bottle. ("Hot Air", indeed.) Apparently no one has bothered to explain to them that in order to effectively report on a story, you can't just make something up because you want it to be true and then try to find the facts that back you up. That's actually about 180 degrees away from the correct approach, but it's that legacy we've been saddled with since the field was largely pioneered by people like Instapundit and the Little Green Footballs guy.
We'll be seeing more of this sort of thing, I suspect, instances where bloggers are actually leading the news rather than just following it around like the old days. Jay Rosen said this about FDL's coverage of the Libby trial, but I think it applies equally to TPM's coverage of the US Attorney firings:
I’m just advising Newsroom Joe and Jill: make room for FDL in your own ideas about what’s coming on, news-wise. Don’t let your own formula (blog=opinion) fake you out. A conspiracy of the like minded to find out what happened when the national news media isn’t inclined to tell us might be way more practical than you think.
If I understand your church, there’s nothing more sacred in it than good old fashioned shoe leather reporting— being there, asking questions and taking notes, scrambling to get down what happened. And yet here are these sinners—Atrios calls them the Dirty F__king Hippies—who walk off the jetways and do just that, the basic reporting, better than the people to whom it is religion. Wild month for the church, right?
Dave Winer said it the other day, and Doc Searls picked up on it: We are the sources, going direct. I’m in that church, if any. And if it wasn’t for NewAssignment.Net, I would have asked for space in FDL’s rotation myself. I could tell they were having a blast. Winer wrote, “Blogging allows us to go direct with our knowledge, experience and insights, without waiting for a reporter to ask us what we think.”
You can write to NPR to thank them for their non-hit-piece blogger story by going to NPR.org and hitting 'Contact'. It would be the polite thing to do.
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ha!
TReeeeeeeeeeex!
It’s nice!
Thanks Treeex!
Jane!
Sorry I’m late, gang. I had a nap that went into extra innings.
nice, TRex !
Gonna give us that thank you letter class, TRex?
It felt good contributing some $$$ to TPM this week. Kind of like kicking Rove in the you know where. :)
I hope more progressive blogs follow the TPM model. We need to replace the mainstream media, not just complain about it.
Bargain basement indeed. Exactly right TRex!
I believe that the blogosphere is the place where we finally get equal footing in terms of having accurate information. Imagine all the scholars who can feed into this stream, who would never have an opportunity in MSM.
Oh yeah. We got our bases covered. Sending my comments to NPR now. Gracias.
“…the truck stop prostitutes of the information superhighway…”
What a great phrase.
Attack Aattaacckk AtttaaacckkkKK!
TRex @ 4
Gotta love those spring training naps.
We are the people formerly known as the audience, and we are here to bust your little paradigm.
TeddySanFran @ 12
I want a t-shirt.
“TPM staff and people all across the blogosphere joined forces to drill through the stacks of PDF’s in record time, neatly sabotaging the administration’s stall-tactic.
They thought they had bought themselves some time, heh, and it woulda worked to, if it hadn’t been for us meddling kids.”
It’s funny because you know it’s true…
republicans make shit up.
Someone at work today was bemoaning the state of the MSM, and wished he could find a place where he could get the straight scoop. I said “Well let me tell you about this great blog that I know…”
Rabble rousers all. Like newspapers used to be back in the day. MSM is finding out that the people know what they are doing. And we are in fact the people. That is what makes it so beautiful.
Margot @ 10
Oh, thank you! It took me a few different tries to get that one how I wanted it, so thanks for noticing.
Echoing the truck stop prostitutes, good one!! I just sent my note to NPR, mentioned Firedoglake.
TRex @ 19
i was gonna add props. i like a well-turned phrase myself.
heard the npr story while it was airing and i held my breath waiting for a gratuitous slighting or bash. didn’t happen. after the relief came a sense of…arrival.
“WARNING: This person’s ideas have no basis in fact and have been cynically manipulated around a fixed ideological point. For entertainment purposes only. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. Basing policy on these concepts can result in serious injury and death.”
This part just makes me feel soft and warm all over.
BTW, does anyone know how I could watch the Justice Department hearings on my computer? I thought I saw that info a few days ago, but can’t find it now.
Me, too! I kept waiting for them to go to someone from The Corner for a rebuttal, or to say that Marshall cheats on his taxes and kicks dogs or something, but it was a clean, well-lighted piece. And we should thank them.
kelven @ 15
The decision by the Libby defense lawyers not to call Shooter & Scooter may have been due to the FDL live-bloggers. Something changed their mind; we may never know what did.
Similarly, as the time Rove counted on — and needed — rapidly compresses due to TPM’s parallel processors chugging through the emails, his calculations must change too. What impact will the blogosphere will have on this scandal? We don’t even know yet, but we can feel it.
Sometimes the paradigm shifts and you hardly notice it, but this time I think we are near its center. Can you feel the shift?
I don’t think the bushies can keep up – I’m sure they are stunned.
certainly looks that way.
Only about ten months left until we’re full on into the canpaign. I intend to bust some chops in my party (Dems). I’m tired of being Mr. Nice Guy. I’m just itching.
EvilDrPuma @ 14
Call CafePress. Make some $$ for Firedoglake!
Yes, I feel it. It feels comfortable and long over due.
I don’t want
to go unremarked. Woo-hoo!
Attack when needed, hand out hugs when deserved.
Good work, TRex!
Speaking of “attack when needed,” comments regarding Ms. Couric’s performance tonight may be directed to:
60m@cbsnews.com
“Truck stop prostitutes of the information superhighway.”
Use that in the headline, for God’s sake. Not ebough people saw it.
the ‘reality based’ blogosphere:
an amazing difference from just looking through a newspaper and thinking ‘oh nothing much in here.’
Katie “some people” Couric is why I no longer watch the CBS Evening News.
I’ll do my best to sent a big thank you to npr, but I could use a few lessons, thats for sure.
You promised a thank you lesson….
:)
I missed 60 minues. What was the issue? did they do a hit piece on the edwards?
Whenever I’m reading an article in the MSM now I often want to comment. It’s frustrating that I can’t. Thanks TRex.
A very nice post for a Sunday evening Mr. Trex. I heard the NPR piece the other day and thought it was well done in especially it let Josh talk about his work. Friday news dumps will never be the same for the Reps.
Nothing like the truth to hang around their necks. Now the Judiciary Committee has to take action. Brilliant post TRex. Another exciting week to look forward to.
Some say CBS has lowered its standards.
Urban Pirate @ 35
The usual rules apply.
1. No more than 4 paragraphs.
2. No more than 12 sentences.
3. Be honest and polite.
4. Don’t gush.
For me the last few weeks of the Bushsh*t stuff that has been coming out has been intense and I do appreciate this site, Talking Points Memo, Dkos, and other sites keeping me up on the latest meltdown in Bushlandia. It has almost been info overload.
AZ Matt @ 42
Imagine how it must look from the inside! Poor Karl.
Where’s Rove these days?
another question i have.
Why arent digby and trex syndicated?
I mean that seriously. have you not tried t? is there not a market? is there some other issue?
Renee in Ohio @ 40
Some say Katie pays the editors extra to make her look tough.
I want to see junya have another temper tantrum, just like the one he had after he got BEAT BY A GIRL!
I hear he’s romoving Tony Snows ulcer
Oogah.
Glenn Greenwald had a clip of Matthews and Noron and Gloria Borger carping about “Democratic overreaching” in investigations.
The old “don’t want them to seem too partisan”.
Funny, they aren’t aguing that Bush looks too partisan for firing any USA that was unwilling to fellate Bush at the drop of a hat.
Sick and sad.
-GSD
Props to NPR — hell, it’ll feel downright nice to commend them on a job well done after cursing them to kingdom come on a regular basis over the past six years. Back then it appeared that the powers that be at NPR had decided that the strategic position of NPRs reporters would henceforth be “kiss ass first, ask questions later; never follow up, and never, ever challenge authority.”
I wonder if those same geniuses have now decided that giving air time to the Fox Lite duo of Juan Williams and Mara Liasson while supporting the need for airtime of the the neo-con pundits is counter-productive in the long run, since it alienated the base without shifting the fundamental perception among the hard-core GOP’ers that NPR is dirty fucking hippie radio…
They failed miserably when the voice of dissent most needed to be broadcast, and it’s been years since I gave to my local NPR affiliate (the money’s been going to Democracy Now! instead) — I’ll wait and see if NPR is finally back as a worthy cause.
Sweet! And about time!
Terry Olson @ 44
If there is any justice at all in the universe, he has another kidney stone.
This “overreaching” — I like it, so far.
More please.
OldCoastie @ 47
I think we’ll be seeing puh-lenty of those in the next few months. I expect the toddler in chief to be stamping his little size six cowboy boots a lot before the war is over.
TRex @ 52
See, Mister Incivility! — it’s this wishing pain on others that’ll earn you a time-out from Dean Broderella
Suzanne @ 34
I hear that’s a common neurosis. I’ll bet CBS is kicking itself for signing her multi-year contract.
You do not get it. Just peel under the neocon label, which is nothing but a politically correct label. Just peel under…
WaPoO chatz tomorrow:
Chief Political Reporter Dan Balz at 11am eastern
“Media reporter” Howard Kurtz at noon eastern.
DeeCee Non-voting Congressional Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton at 11:45am eastern
And what experience does Donald Rumsfeld have in “Guest Editing” for the new LATimes. That would be like having Mick Jagger guest edit TRex.
Terry Olson @ 58
Mick Jagger is a smart guy. He was at the London School of Economics before he joined the Stones. He can guest edit me any time.
GSD @ 49
i endured about a minute and a half of it before i had to click it off. literally unwatchable.
I was just getting used to my role as a dirty fucking hippie. Now all of a sudden we’re respectable?
I still give to my local NPR affiliate (MN Public Radio) because their local programming is so often very good, but everytime I send a complaint to NPR for something on Morning Transcription or All Things Conservative, I always CC the complaint to MPR with a note that suggests they find a better news program.
TRex @ 59
Bad analogy.
global yokel @ 61
We’re The Resistance. We will be the rock stars of history.
TRex @
23
Yeah, but isn’t it more than a bit ironic to be thanking them for not kicking us in the shins?
TRex @ 59
So did Cherie Blair (wife of Tony) – I don’t see you inviting her to edit you.
Brilliantly written post, TRex!
I must go to sleep. Have a great night, FDLers! Here’s hoping I don’t have nightmares of those truckstop prostitutes on the information superhighway.
montag @ 65
They didn’t have to acknowledge the blogosphere’s role in this at all.
Keith Richards on the other hand…
Trex,
I bet a lot of people are admiring that phrase and simply not commenting.
Kind of like I wonder how many people would be delighted by a TRex book, pen and notebook set.
Where is this “author detention” place we’ve heard about from Marcy? ;)
montag @ 65
irony is the kindest way of putting it.
but it comes with the territory. it’s assumed.
Ding
GSD @ 49
I saw that tonight and it mad me so angry. I just want to jump up and punch my teevee. They bitch about Iraq and then when we finally make a little step in the right direction they start to push it back. It all boils down to them controlling the message and let me tell you those days are over. They passed on the Libby trial by sticking their fingers in their ear saying…lalalalalalala she isn’t covert…lalalalala, funny how that turned out. Now they are saying everything negative about bringing home the troops and I really think they expect the Republicans to win in 08 and this is as good as it is going to get for us. Sorry for the rant I am on heavy drugs so I hope I make sense. I am sure my grammar and spelling are terrible, sorry. Oh and GSD thanks for making me laugh every time you post. You crack me up. lolo
INteresting how this whole Friday afternoon document dump USED to work:
dump loads of documents on a press corps that is largely 40 hr wk Washington Journalists, late on Friday afternoon, assuming that the newsrooms will be running a skeleton crew of newbie employees (and whoever lost the straw-drawing) over the weekend, and that it’ll fade from the public consciousness by Monday 9am.
and now for the new model-
a bunch of citizen muckrakers getting off from THEIR 40 hour a week jobs on Friday afternoon with NOTHING better to do than to paw through a document dump all weekend.
Put on some coffee, Josh, and order a pizza! Let’s RAKE!!
TRex @ 69
Is this the time when I tell my old story (again) about being in the studio audience when the Stones first appeared in America on the Ed Sullivan Show?
Who is the guy in yellow glasses?
TeddySanFran @ 76
um… SHYEAH!
Yeah, tell that story, TeddySanFran.
Are ya finished typing that Stones story, Teddy? (internet version of are we there yet)
TeddySanFran @ 76
You must have been about 2. *g*
TeddySanFran @ 76
I haven’t heard it, Teddy. Tell us, please.
Here is a great photo of — Al Gonzo – Banality of Evil via Jesus General!
TeddySanFran @ 75
Whoa, Teddy. So cool! I saw the Beatles in San Diego when I was 14ish. I swore I wouldn’t scream, but it became groupscream in a hurry.
I remember watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, but not the Stones. I do love the Stones, though.
Terry Olson @ 77
Oooh I know, I know, pick me (at last a question I can answer). That’s Ali G, comic creation of Sasha Baron Cohen, creator of Borat, among other.
AZ Matt @ 82
Painful. Is he married? Just imagine…gag.
Jesus General takes a shot at the Frenchies beseting The
InquistorAttorney General:….
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that the Demislamunistofascists would undermine our national security by questioning the veracity of Our Leader and Inquisitor General Gonzales, the Iron Fist of the Conservative Christianist Cultural Revolution. It’s what they do. But I must admit that I’m very taken aback by the fact that they would so openly and apologetically support Al Qaeda.
And they are helping Al Qaeda. We know that, because Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to erasing those 18 days worth of emails. He hoped that it would weaken Our Leader, so that his allies in Congress would succeed in their plan to put “In Mohammed We Trust” on our money.
….
!Viva El Generalismo de Jesus!
TeddySanFran @ 76
At least you didn’t see them on the Dean Martin show.
;>)
To be fair: the approach taken by TPM was pioneered by Pamela Jones and the crew of legal-proceedings groupies at Groklaw. Although the scale (and maybe the stakes) are lower, the many-eyes effect applied to intellectual property legal issues was established there a few years ago and has been repeatedly confirmed since then.
Jeez, TRex – sometimes, like tonight, Late Nite FDL is music. Here’s to DFH’s everywhere.
Don’t forget John Yoo in your list of truly awful ATC talking heads.
Thanks, Persiflage.
CSPAN Book TV had Tom Dealy on last night. Tonight was Chalmers Johnson (He was great). Now Kool Aid General Michael Delong author of A General Speaks Out. He’s a real Kool Aid type. I’m gonna turn it off. My blood pressure is going up. I can feel the arteries in my neck swell listening to this man tell one half truth followed by lies, misdirection, obfuscation, war mongering, and etc.
Here’s Mikey:
Couldn’t get Bin Forgotten in Tora Bora cuz they would have killed too many innocents in villages. Getting the country united (Afghanistan) was more important that killing one man.
Been on Hardball, OReilly several times. Don’t wanna be a mouthpiece, he says. (A real principled sort he is.)
More bad news for the Rovers:
Fitting for these times:
“It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798.
You guys need to see this, I promise:
Prosecutor Scandal: Covering up for pedophiles
Suzanne @ 34
She’s known as The Perky Dementor, for her ability to suck the joy and soul out of her viewers and do it with a smile.
sunny @ 95
Link didn’t work.
Terry Olson @ 98
Ok, try this. Sorry.
patrick rex @ 75
Uh-huh. That’s why the Friday Night Doc Dump is now not only useless, it’s counterproductive — because there’s no way that the doc-dumpers can vet thousands of pages of stuff in a few days before they dump it: There are a lot less of them than there are of us.
TRex,
Great post. I loved the prostitutes on the information super highway describing the wingers. But dammit man, you hit the metaphorical grand slam with the physics of farts in a bottle sentence. That was pure unadulterated brilliance.
I come from a family of physicists, let me see if they can come up with a mathematical formula to prove your statement.
Yes. I’m a geek. And I’m damned proud of it!
TeddySanFran @
58
Anybody else see Little Howie Kurtz on CNN last week? He said (honest to God!) that WaPo broke the U.S. attorney story – no credit to Josh or mention of anything related to blogs – nope – just all the credit to the Washington Post.
That’s the same interview where he said that reporters have been “badgering” poor Tony Snow and that reporters shouldn’t “appear to be taking sides.”
I think we could send some interesting questions Howie’s way in his “chat” tomorrow, eh?
darkblack @
88
darkblack @
88
Actually, that was before he had his own show. Dino was hosting Hollywood Palace, a variety show, when in his role as MC he repeatedly insulted the Stones, who were the musical guest. (Sample–after a trampoline act: “That’s the Rolling Stones’ father. He’s trying to kill himself!”) It apparently still rankles them, over forty years later.
Damn. Don’t know how I doubled the quote in 103. Apologies.
Sunny at 99,
I’m not familiar with WorldNetDaily, but if that story is true, it would explain why Abu Gonzales is suddenly out hammering away for the children.
Anyone else see these calculated, slow-motion events as more of that “throwing the little ones to the wolves” from that ancient Ukranian legend? Josh Marshall’s observation that Gonzo has been doing EXACTLY what Karl needs him to do (stall-off the inevitable investigation into WH’s poltitcal involvement in the DOJ firings) is right on the money. This is one series of stalls after another, all lined up to protect????
We can all fill in those blanks.
Sometimes, even the DOJ shenanigans seem at times to be little more than a diversion from the inevitable investigation into “intelligence fraud” leading up to the war.
But then, they did get Capone on tax evasion, so they didn’t have to try him for bigger, badder crimes.
Whatever isue finally triggers articles impeachment, matters not. I mean, who really cares where the idea starts, right?
As long as it ends with Karl, Deadeye and Dubya testifying before Congress, under oath, on the record, and in response to the committee’s (or the jurie’s) demands, not their own chosen game plan.
AZ Matt @ 38
Friday news dumps will never be the same for the Reps…
…now THAT is historic. Much like FDL’s experts picked apart the Libby trial, TPM’s two-day “dump marathon” shredded their plans to stall this off.
If there is one thing we need to facilitate here on the blogs, this one in particular, it is to keep the news dump from getting lost over the weekend.
It has been working mahvelously so far, and I got a very clear psychic image when TRex wrote something akin to “fly on the wall in TBlossom’s control-closet” I could just see in my mind’s eye, Karl grimacing and crushing an anonymous printed report about TPM’s quick perusal of all those pages, and he was cussing out loud, then he turned to someone and screamed, “we’ll get even,” and when they asked him “how” he said, “just give me a f—-king blog-based thing.”
DeeLoralei @ 101
Actually, I think one could make some pretty good estimations with the perfect gas laws, a typical bottle, the volume of the average right-winger’s fart and normal body temp (plus a couple of degrees F, because all right wingers are badly overheated) and the bottle at STP. From that, one could calculate the entropic loss from gas cooling, and residual gas pressure.
But, you’d still have a greasy, Cheetohs shit-flecked cloud in a bottle….
Ah..Oh…. not good news for McCain on our local TeeVee news….. amazing…. “poor McCain dropping in the polls”……”and he is not making the fund raising numbers” …….aaahhhhh poor thing!
AZ Matt @ 83
Oh m’lord-a-mighty! That’s a terrible picture of anyone, much less the USAG, A/K/A, the, “Top Cop”. Looks more like, “Slop plop”, y’ask me. Interesting perspective, though, as in I never noticed that shitty toupee on his head before. What a putzy-lookin’ cartoon faced rube. I’m embarrassed for the whole Justice Dept now.
(OT part of this post:
I noticed an article about the,{actual}, Ivory Billed Woodpecker, tonight and thought the person who’s Blogger S/N is that might not have seen it. The link to the Yahoo! News story from AP, is below and I was wondering if anyone here knew how to FWD: this to him? Or if he stops by can see it for himself:
IBW Article
Thanks)
it’s a veritable italics extravaganza!never mind, those mods are on the J-O-B~
Jacqrat @ 110
The Lurking Mod is fastest of them all. Had it fixed before I could get to it.
sunny @
99
Mmm, probably not. Look who wrote the article:
Jerome R. Corsi…has written many books and articles, including co-authoring with John O’Neill the No. 1 New York Times best-seller, “Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry.”
Be a cryin’ shame if McCain was losing steam. Or gas.
Texas Monthly has been following that story that Sunny linked to.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/co…..his-am.php
I’m not great at searching and didn’t see it elsewhere. I did notice Corsi’s name…
Terry Olson @ 112
Sad to say this about anyone but McCain is showing early signs of the type of mental confusion dementia victims are associated. And he goes blank these days before the press corps more often then Bush working without a telepronter.
newspaperbrat @ 113
It’s so hard to hold that many conflicting opinions at once.
TeddySanFran @ 94
Adding to TSF with additional info in the story concerning J. Scott Jennings:
Shall we start adding 2 plus 2 and see if they equal 4? Jennings is doing political stuff at GSA and at Justice over the fired USA’s. Who gives him his orders?
estiv, so you think that scandal might be a bright shiny thing to distract us?
Suzanne @ 116
His seedy gay porn past will be arriving for scrutiny in five…four…three…
Newspaperbrat,
That was sad last week when he needed to check with his staff on his condom position.
Did that sound wierd?
TRex, I’m still waiting for Teddy’s Stones story – or did I miss that?
TRex…. great post as always.
Lolo @ 74 – Remember when the standard rethug refrain, repeated multiple times daily last summer/fall?? (I’m sure a la turdman…)
“re the war in Iraq, the Democrats just don’t have a plan…”
I remember Charlie Rose parroting it dutifully one night… yeah, we need to do something different but the Democrats just don’t have a plan.
I loved the irony of it… the rethugs CREATED the damn nightmare, but it was the Dems’ responsibility cus “we didn’t have a plan”…. to get us out of the nightmare.
Well, they can take that meme and shove it.
Imperfect as it is, the Pelosi bill is at least a beginning to the end of the nightmare…. lord help the Iraqis for all the rethugs have put them through.
From the WaPo Bobby Novak column, 3/27/07:
Bob is waking up to the fact that the rats are jumping off the S.S. Bushlandia and are swimming for dry land.
estiv @ 112
sunny @
99
Terry Olson @ 98
sunny @ 95
You guys need to see this, I promise:
Prosecutor Scandal: Covering up for pedophiles
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Link didn’t work.
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Ok, try this. Sorry.
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Mmm, probably not. Look who wrote the article:
Jerome R. Corsi…has written many books and articles, including co-authoring with John O’Neill the No. 1 New York Times best-seller, “Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry.”
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dirytrick??
*edited to remove blockquotes by Mod*
Scott Jennings was a big user of the (perhaps illegal) stealth email accounts at gwb43.com:
link
AmIDreaming @ 88
This brings up an interesting comparison of the progressive blogs to the open-source software movement. And, also to the Wikipedia.
But there’s a much earlier effort that seems to have harnessed similar efforts by a distributed, dedicated group of volunteers, namely the creation of the Oxford English Dictionary. IIRC it was begun in the 1870s and completed in the 1920s, and was carried out by volunteers all over the globe, several of whom were in prisons.
lolo @ 123
Umm, let’s put it this way. When it comes to journalistic ethics, Corsi makes Novak look like Mother Teresa.
Terry Olson @ 119
Wierd and confused! Presidential Fever fries conservative’s brain cells – just ask Nancy Reagan.
AZ Matt @ 123
I loved the article on HuffPo today about Hagel – in a recent print interview he said that the presidency “is not a monarchy” and that Bush thinks he has no accountability,
but that’s incorrect because there is such a thing as impeachment..
probably just rhetoric… but some rethugs are really getting tired of Bush’s “go it alone” policy that totally ignores the senate….
That World Net Daily article is some bad mojo. Not sure what’s going on there, but let me fill you in on some contextual details-
World Net Daily is also known as the World NUT Daily, and is a right wing propaganda site. BIGTIME nastiness there.
Next interesting and alarming fact about that article- the author.
So… what’s going on in this article calling Abu Gonzalez an accessory to a child molestation racket?
Let’s take this quote on its face:
Something about that paragraph has the familiar redolence of the kind of bullshit that sends me running to Snopes.com. It’s that overheated right wing “Of course they had all-night sex parties” tone. It says “I have just barely the emotional maturity of a middle schooler.”
However, I had the same reaction to the first wave of info out of Abu Ghraib, ie- “This has to be propaganda. There’s no way this happened.” So maybe the heinous crime they’re describing happened after all?
This thing is kind of baffling- see also the quote from Matt Angle from the Lone Star Project? Matt used to work for Dem Rep Martin Frost, one of the Texas Dems who got screwed by DeLay’s redistricting coup.
WTF?
Is this the Mellon toolkits throwing Gonzalez under the bus? Why did they let Angle’s quote about how Gonzalez was Rove’s boy slip into the article? Is Rove going under the wheels too?
Is WorldNutDaily going after Gonzalez because he’s hispanic? Is this an attempt by the Mellonheads to suck up to the anti-immigrant right wing base, which is pretty much all that the Bushies have left?
The floor is OPEN.
montag @ 126
Now Abu can do his refrain, “I am fighting for the children, the left wing media is trying to ruin me,” or some such nonsense
Terry Olson @ 120
It was, but honestly, I took that to be clumsy handling of the press corps’ flip-flop obsession (hence the need to “find out my position” rather than just saying what he actually believes or what would make sense politically.) Of course, since that whole obsession was largely fomented by Republicans, I still don’t have any sympathy with him about it, but it didn’t strike me so much as forgetfulness (age-related or otherwise.)
Five more Americans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..ref=slogin
AZ Matt @ 123
Yeah, they were all happy to be led by a sociopath who cared about no one but himself as long as they were winning. For once, I actually hope that Novakula is right; I haven’t seen a lot of signs yet that Republicans are abandoning ship.
Redshift @ 133
True enough. Wonder what the “abandon ship!” signal will be? Kindasleezza Rice calling for her “husb…”’s impeachment?
Well time to use the google to see if there is any other information out there. Some thing for us to chase and divert us from the document drop. HA! don’t they realize how many troops we have on this?
they send Abu on a road trip because he loves the little children and now there are so many knives sticking out of his back, he can’t count ‘em all…
he’s thrown under the bus like I’ve never seen before! remember when this all started and they thought for about 10 minutes they would throw Harriet under the bus?
wonder why they abandoned that little plan?
montag @ 107
I really could have done without that visual.
Patrickrex@130-
Good, quick research (or previous knowledge). Sounds like a lot of sex connections involved…
More nails for the coffin. From WaPo:
Ex-Prosecutor Says He Faced Partisan Questions Before Firing
By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 26, 2007
WaPo Link
OldCoastie @ 136
Could have been that Bush came out of his megalomaniacal haze long enough to realize that they were going to trash his favorite note-writer. Without Harriet, who’d be left to sing his praises? Pickles? Boooorrringgg.
Redshift @ 134
It would be nice if Novak were right but I have little faith in those “dead enders” jumping ship from the GOP. All of the death and destruction brought on by assinine policy with no regard for truth or law. These people are essentially incapable of admiting they are wrong, IMO it would be the equivalent of a mushroom cloud going off in their tiny little minds.
TREX — Please do not forget that many people in the blogosphere, like myself, are professional journalists with degrees in journalism and many years experience in investigative journalism, who for various reasons are not employed full-time by newspapers etc. at the moment.
Thanks.
sweetgumroot @ 137
Sometimes, science is ugly. :)
OldCoastie @ 137
Most likely because Harriet is not willing to go to prison for her boi king.
Terry Olson @ 139
I used to blog a lot. I mean, A LOT. So, I kind of see these shitbags coming. My favorite ever quote about Jerome Corsi:
Now THAT is breaking through the bottom of the barrel and auguring into the earth’s crust…
The mods must have been working overtime tonight! Not calling Mr LGF by name and giving him sufficient credit is second only to calling LGFers genocide supporters in bringing out the snotball hordes. I bet you he’s crouched in his basement as I type, muttering “I caught the kerning problems, yes, it was me.”
montag – I’m thinking there is a reason they didn’t want to cross Harriet – did she learn her lesson with the supreme court nomination?
If the ship slides beneath the waves and they are still aboard, tough cookies.
montag @ 107
I hunted around for a nice physics animation of gas in a bottle as an illustration, but I’m afraid my google-fu failed me this time.
I’m thinking none of these clowns want to go to jail but are dumb enough to count on a pardon… Harriet has herself some “insurance” of some kind (WAG) and isn’t so stupid to count on shrubya in the end.
OldCoastie @ 150
Gosh OldCoastie – I dunno – it looked to me like little Harriet made it pretty obvious she was love-sick when those sad little greeting cards to Bush were revealed a few years ago.
OK, here’s a Dallas News story about the Texas Youth Commision.
OldCoastie @ 147
Don’t think that figured prominently in it–just going by inferences. That was pretty much Bush doing his own version of court-stacking, from best guesstimates.
Keep in mind her own sense of self-protection. She left government before all this shit came up, so she knew what she’d been doing (which is now wholly apparent from all the emails), and she probably had an excellent idea of how much of it was going to come down directly on her head. Getting out of government was the most obvious thing she could think of.
Her role in the WH was to be an ass-kissing factotum protecting Bush from harm. She is, likely, at this moment, hoping to evade questioning by being a private citizen once again. I don’t think that ploy is going to work….
the little green fascists are here?
Maybe they can shed some light on this Worldnutdaily thing….
So, boys… what’s the deal? is it time to play “King of the Mountain” with the bus wheels? Is it gonna be “Last Man Standing” with your authoritarian cultist heroes? Who is the smart money on?
I said SMART, not “Scaife.”
Seriously, though… my prediction? Last man standing will be the diseased purple, throbbing heart of Dick “Shooter” Cheney, enclosed in the same fart-smelling bottle, attached to a larger bottle which will hold his evil brain. Bush? Impeached. Gonzalez? Disappeared. Rumsfeld, Miers, DeLay, et al? They’re already gone…
It’ll just be that green brain in a soup of saline solution and Johnny Walker, throbbing there… plotting… the next move….
gbear @
63
gbear! another ’sootan. I give every other year at best. The Current is a cool thing. Keri Millier is pretty good. Eichten is just hilarious. Favorite quote: “Now, Governor..”
KFAI has Amy Goodman, tho. And better music.
patrick rex @ 155
AAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!
Well YOU can just rock me to sleep tonight.
Bloody hell.
Good night!
I’m off to bed.
patrick rex @ 154
Gaaaaahhhhhhh!!! The Telltale Brain!
g’nite TRex
montag @ 144
Speaking of visuals, where’s DarkBlack?
Trex,I personally liked the “clean, well-lighted piece’ reference.
Terry Olson @ 160
I hope he’s working on the Cheneybrain… oh, I do…
lolo @
136
That is what those MF’ers in DC don’t understand(and that goes for the MSM as well as Rove’s goons). We have the numbers. What was the name of that old album by Public Enemy? ;-)
what now, fellow geeks?
I Love Jane Hamsher @ 163
‘Fear of a Blog Planet’? ;-)
Most of my heroes don’t appear on no stamp…
what now, fellow geeks?
a visit from your friendly nsa representative about the results of your search?
patrick rex @ 164
nmap, of course.
I’m still thinking The Clot may take Cheney out… how about in the end there is a simpering, raging, babbling little junya having to hold the bag all by himself?
over and out, pups… see you on the flip.
MelodyMaker @ 167
Now, that would be ballsy. You first.
Looks like some Kossacks have been thinking the same thing I have.
Gosh, there’s something in this scandal for everyone…
I might actually blog again…
maybe. I might just leave it to commenting here, though.
on that note, folks… I am turning in. MM- if you scan that server… you better email me the results. ;-)
TeddySanFran @
31
Here’s my letter
Dear CBS:
Did Katie really need to be that combative?
It seemed so cruel and insensitive to repeatedly imply through her questions that she believes Elizabeth is about to die, that John Edwards is selfish to run for president anyway, and both are selfish parents because they’re not doing the prepare-for-death cower-in-the-corner family vigil.
This is a couple that’s already endured the loss of a child. They have an exquisite understanding of what loss is and how they cope with it. This is also a couple that likely underwent extensive and painful treatment to have their two youngest children.
Does Katie really believe that the Edwards are not madly in love with those kids, and want the very best for them? Does she really believe that the Edwards haven’t built a strong support system to provide for those children if ever it becomes needed?
The airtime would have been better spent asking the Edwards where they summon the strength to face the difficult challenges they’ve faced. Whether coping with cancer has taught them anything about the need for health care reform in this country? Or maybe Katie could have asked how their personal struggles might impact John’s world view, or any policy decisions he might make.
Anyone at anytime can have a health crisis emerge in their family. Ronald Reagan was diagnosed with colon cancer while president, and he suffered a life threatening gunshot wound. Betty Ford and Nancy Reagan both battled breast cancer while serving as First Lady. Not long ago Laura Bush was diagnosed with cancer on her leg, while George W Bush had skin cancer on his face. In any of these instances the cancer could have turned the corner and become life threatening.
None of us know what tomorrow will bring. But the optimists among us expect that our leaders will be able to cope with whatever personal crises are thrown their way. I would expect no less of John Edwards.
It would have been nice if Katie had done a little homework on past presidents and how they dealt with crisis before she undertook this interview.
Sincerely
O&Oer
patrick rex @ 164
Pardon me?
Hey, we didn’t get TSF Rolling Stones story…
nice letter o&o
terry olson, it was a tech thing about the gonzales scandal
patrick rex @ 169
Got nothing.
MelodyMaker @ 175
patrick rex @ 169
MelodyMaker @ 167
>patrick rex @ 164
what now, fellow geeks?
nmap, of course.
Now, that would be ballsy. You first.
Got nothing.
Hey, someones knocking on my door. Wish me luck.
(MOD NOTE: Too many nested comments will bust the margins. Please keep it to no more than 2 or 3 at the most. Thank you)
MelodyMaker @ 175
patrick rex @ 169
MelodyMaker @ 167
patrick rex @ 164
sully:~ patrickrex$ host gwb43.com
gwb43.com mail is handled by 10 mailscan2.smartechcorp.net.
gwb43.com mail is handled by 10 mailscan1.smartechcorp.net.
sully:~ patrickrex$ ping gwb43.com
ping: cannot resolve gwb43.com: Unknown host
sully:~ patrickrex$
=========
what now, fellow geeks?
———–
nmap, of course.
———–
Now, that would be ballsy. You first.
———-
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Got nothing.
zigfried
Terry Olson @ 172
Just doing a little snooping on who owns the mail server that Karl Rove has been using to evade the Electronic Documents Act.
It’s hosted by a company called Smarttechcorp in Chattanooga. Interestingly, the same company handles the RNC’s server AAAAANNNNNDD “www.isupportjoe.com.”
A little blast from the past, eh?
I hope that whoever gets into the White House from our side is more tech savvy than these weasels. Seriously.
Why aren’t these shitbags using encryption? I mean, I’m GLAD they’re not, but who could be this stupid? Was it hubris that made them think that they could pull this off?
I hope that the dem campaigns are using encryption and taking serious measures to protect their correspondence.
Anyone out there well-connected enough, email this page to any mac using campaign workers you know.
ok, i think i fixed the busted margins.. everyone refresh
please keep the margins in mind when quoting comments
thanks :)
MelodyMaker @ 176
That’s NOT EVEN funny…
ok,
a little lol.
f’real, though. It’s time for me to go to bed.
Good luck, y’all.
Be well.
patrick rex @ 180
oh crap….
Patrick Rex and Suzanne,
This is the whole big deal. I have no techie skills, but this is the possible sloppy access to info on the part of the administration. Good on you!
YOU PUNKS ARE DEAD!! EXPECT A NSL TODAY!
haha. It’s still me. Now that’s not funny.
Melody Maker – you see that story in Sunday’s WaPoo about the guy that got a NSL and its accompanying gag order… dayam, that sent chills through me
But where did I read that they bought a company in the south that maintained their secure RNC computer system?
Suzanne @ 185
I did. Anonymous is dead too. Land of the free and home of the brave, indeed. Sam Adams would be proud.
I’m in DC tonight. Anybody you want me to talk to?
Oops, was that freedom of peach?
That’s it for me tonight, folks. G’nite all.
Patrick 4/4 @ 188
Call Waxman. Ask him to find out why Colin Powell went along with these criminals.
Terry Olson @ 191
The lights are on at the Capitol. I’ll just stroll on over…
oo. I’m up too late! At least my socks are dry. peece, out.
Terry Olson @ 191
Ask Waxman if he is going to have hearings about Sibel Edmonds. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!
lolo @ 194
Right after I get back from the Mayflower. I want to know if Pickles is in residence.
whois gwb43.com:
Republican National Committee
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US
Domain Name: GWB43.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Republican National Committee dns@RNCHQ.ORG
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Washington, DC 20003
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1.4236647678
Fax: 1.4236647680
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Oh and give Jack Murtha some love
lolo @ 197
I may have to. Did you know you can’t get room service at 2 in the morning? Sucks when your plane gets in at 1:30 – 3 hours late.
Cashews and cabernet from the mini-bar. Yum!
Patrick 4/4,
Give my best to Nancy and Russ.
And my worst to Brian and Darrell.
deth @ 196
http://www.robtex.com/dns/gwb43.com.html http://cannonfire.blogspot.com…..email.html
Here is some more info on this
Terry Olson @ 199
No prob on the Nancy and Russ.
Do you know how many Brians and Darrells are in the DC phone book?
Bilbray and Issa.
Terry Olson @
202
I could have stayed in California for most of these.
Night all. I’m getting up in 4 hours.
anyone still up and interested in a small Abu G report plus a Congress report ? Sorry I haven’t followed this thread…
Im still here Spidey.
spiderpaws @ 204
Me too.
And me as well (Waving to pete)
Gonzales is under relentless pressure til mid may with Saturn opposing his natal moon…Bush pugnacious and Saturn slows the Congress til late April…then the Gloves Come Off and to quote another astrologer “Congress will enter hitherto unexplored territory with great resolve”.
…basically a fight like we’ve never seen.
Stock up on popcorn and get ready for hearings on impeachment.
Hitherto unexplored territory? Impeachment maybe? What’s Bush’s overall prospects?
An army of Davids?
(Waives to persiflage) Thanks for the report Spidy. I think we buy popcorn futures.
I’ve got to go – tennis with the brother of the Future Mrs Downunder who will beat me badly, he’s 15 years younger and in shape.
Good night, good morning or good afternoon as the case may be.
TRex @ 19
So would that be TSPOTIS or TSPOTISH?
Hi Spidey! Interesting. I’m betting Abu is gone Wednesday, the day before Kyle Sampson testifies; he’ll be ordered by Leahy to appear (if he keeps his job that long), or subpoena’d (if chucked)…
By that time, Chimpy should be in a pretty good lather, flailing about and throwing more of the crew overboard!
Bye Pete
The most interesting part is the Congress’s chart…they are going where no Congress has ever gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is going to be so satisfying.
It will be impossible for Gonzales to stay afloat with aspects like this…Bush’s chart says he will be incredibly aggressive and fight like a cornered rat.
spiderpaws @ 217
Any hints when Chimpy loses steam?
I think Sampson puts one into the USS Chimpy just above the waterline on Wednesday. Abu cannot be the sitting AG when that happens, ’cause he’d need to be fired immediately. ChimpCo is begging for a replacement, someone who’ll play ball and be confirmable. I don’t see another way.
Ain’t this sad and fun?
patrick rex @
165
“It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back”
:-)
The Corsi/TYC story is more than passin’ strange. The spectacle of Mr. Swift Boat himself tying the “pedophile coverup” accusation to AGAG makes you wonder whether Alberto is just on the verge of switching party affiliations. Is the appearance of this story evidence of a high-intensity behind-the-scenes war in wingnuttia?
I of course don’t trust anything Corsi says. So I wanted to take a look at the verifiable facts around the case.
The Houston Chronicle runs a blog about the TYC issue, and it’s pretty good. In the last week, there have been major resignations of TYC officials, and apparently a grand jury is deciding whether to issue indictments (see this Mar 20 article on the prospects of such grand jury indictments).
The July 28 2005 letter linked from the Corsi hit-piece looks authentic to my eyes (yes, I happen to be an expert on kerning), and sure sounds damning. From the looks of it, Ranger Brian Burzynski wanted to pursue civil rights prosecution against the principal and assistant superintendant, but the Assistant US Attorney, Bill Baumann, declined. The reasoning may, for all I know, be sound from a legal point of view, but stinks to high heaven when read as plain language.
The AUSA appears to recommend prosecution under Texas penal code rather than federal law, arguing that the chances of conviction are higher. If one wants to give Baumann the benefit of a doubt, this is not unreasonable. Prosecutors need to choose the right charges, ones that speak to the seriousness of the crime, yet have a good chance of being successfully prosecuted.
So the letter here is not a smoking gun, but I think it’s now reasonable to ask whether there was political pressure from Washington to deny Federal prosecution, as this Matt Angle guy accuses.
Angle is a Democrat who has opposed DeLay with some success. Why he’d have chosen Corsi of all people to break his story defies my imagination.
The one I’d really like to hear from is Burzynski. If he backs up the accusations of high-level interference stalling the prosecutions, then the story has legs. The local prosecutor, Randall Reynolds, seems to have even more culpability here than the US Attorney’s office. From the mysanantonio.com article cited above, “The Associated Press reported Tuesday that Reynolds declined to prosecute nearly all felony cases that came before him in 2005 and 2006. Reynolds has not return repeated calls for comment.” Among other things, Reynolds appears to be only working part time on the public’s behalf, also running his own private law office at the same time (talk about cause for firing underperforming prosecutors!).
The fact that federal prosecutions were turned down, and that this has stalled the case, is publicly known. See this Texas Observer article for considerably more discussion.
Blogger “marc g” has put together a good overview of the case, including a copy of a timeline from the Dallas Morning News.
There’s plenty of wrongdoing and incompetence in this case, but I think it’s premature to pin any of the blame on Abu G just yet. My suspicion is that Corsi’s article may be more a bizarre political theater spectacle than an actual link to Washington. Of course, Abu G comes from Texas, so the idea that he’s implicated is not so outlandish.
I should add that blogger Charles Kuffner is on the case as well, including what looks like pretty damning evidence that Gov. Perry’s office knew about the TYC abuse, even though Perry himself has, in typical “loyal Bushie” fashion, denied knowing anything about it until the public stench from the media got too intense to ignore.
sunny @
99
kinda makes ya wonder what Abu Gonzo is doing on tour protecting our children. I agree with whoever it was that said “you keep the hell away from my kids” in response to Abu’s (really weird) press conference.
cc in nm @ 129
I loved the article on HuffPo today about Hagel – in a recent print interview he said that the presidency “is not a monarchy” and that Bush thinks he has no accountability, ————–
Hagel was quoted as saying that impeaching Bush should be an alternative in an article on MSNBC today.
Human @ 220
I think the core issue in this matter is if the feds had jurisdiction. From outward appearances, they did not, since it was seemingly entirely within the state and state offices.
Even if national feds were advised of problems in the Perry administration in Texas, that does not mean that the cases themselves are federal. Outside political federal interference in state matters would be of concern to unbiased federal authorities, but not the underlying abuse cases themselves.
Thus far, I can’t see anything federal in this, so any recalcitrance to proceed on the part of a US Attorney would greatly depend upon other information that might involve the feds that might or might not have been ignored.
And, that’s why Corsi’s writing, in particular, deserves considerable skepticism.
Communications over state lines, political interference by the White House, Texas ties to the feds in the matter, yeah, that can be investigated federally, but not the abuse cases themselves.
kairos in cal-
Here’s to hoping Hagel keeps lobbing these grenades at them.
TRex,
Thanks for the heads up! I wrote to NPR, as you suggested.
Late night Firepups, here in Hawaii, its only 11 PM, and I know we’re probably in EPU-land, but I just posted a diary on Dailykos on the Kissinger-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz New World Order. Please tell me what you think.
Bob in HI
kairos in cal @ 223
Just keep in mind that Hagel is no fuckin’ prince, and he’s thinking about runnin’ for office, too. Only, he’s held back on officially announcing. This is the guy, when he was running ES&S, managed to get the state of Nebraska to outlaw all vote recounting except by his own goddamned electronic machines, and then lied about his financial relationship to ES&S on his disclosure forms.
And he’s a Repug who supported Bush’s war in the first place.
NONE OF THESE BASTARDS CAN BE TRUSTED! They’re fuckin’ repugs.
montag @ 224:
I see what you’re saying (and definitely agree that Corsi’s writing should be taken with a large block of salt), but don’t agree that there was nothing federal about the case. The investigating Ranger, Brian Burzynski, (and from what I can tell, one of the very few actual good guys in this whole sordid affair) wanted to pursue a Federal charge under 18 USC 242. Given the egregiousness of the crimes, it seems likely to me that such a case could stick. The argument given by Baumann is based largely on the difficulty of proving that the sexual abuse was “aggravated”. To me, the fact that these were youth inmates under direct authority of the (not yet) accused, and that there’s a well-documented pattern of extending the terms of kids who opposed them, is pretty damn good evidence. Yet, the AUSA seemed to believe that it would be difficult to prove that the victims really were victimized, using language that verges on claiming that the victims may have actually enjoyed it.
There would be no federal issue here if the case had been properly prosecuted at the state level. Yet, that didn’t happen either – the grand jury still hasn’t sent down indictments, and the clock is ticking fast on the statute of limitations. Adding insult to injury, it now seems that Perry’s office lied about the extent of their knowledge of the case.
Thus, I conclude that it is premature to implicate Abu G in a pedophile coverup, as Corsi does quite sensationally. It is reasonable, though, to demand answers about who knew what when, and who is responsible for the massive fuckups that have held this case up from going to trial. Reynolds is plenty culpable, but when you look at the whole pattern, it’s at least plausible that he is the fall guy for more serious misconduct at higher levels. I have no idea what Corsi’s game is, but if his piece causes these questions to be asked, he may well have done a service.
montag @ 227
This is kind of touchy. I greatly admire Hagel’s service and his stance on the war. He doesn’t just think it, he says it. And he’s been saying it loudly, and beating most Democrats to it. His criticisms have had an almost personal bent, directed at Chimpy, Shooter & Field Marshall Rumsfeld.
OTOH, the ES&S business may turn out to be a sin, a crime, and a conspiracy. And a look at his voting record and stance on social issues isn’t a lot different from that of some for whom we have much less admiration.
But on the war, I believe his stance is principled. He is entitled to talk to this with as much authority as anyone who served.
Human @ 228
But, that law reference suggests a civil rights violation… which is civil, not criminal. The feds might, with a stretch, come in with a civil rights charge, but not on the original crime. That’s the way it would have to go down at the federal level, I think, from the circumstances.
Just a guess, though.
newtonusr @ 229
What does Hagel’s service have to do with this? I’ve known in-country vets who were fakes, frauds, phonies, drug dealers, addicts and black-marketers. Should I give them a break because they were in-country when they did those things?
I’m not saying that Hagel was any of those things, but service in Vietnam, per se, is no recommendation for anything.
And, did he talk this way from the outset, or did he begin talking that way when it offered him a political advantage?
The answer’s obvious.
With one caveat… The state’s refusal to bring charges or widen the investigation could lead to a civil rights prosecution. IIRC, Texas declined further action due to the difficulty in proving the assaults caused pain or injury (what a fucking planet!). If the state of Texas is their de jur (is that right?) guardian, the state could be held in a civil rights action as well.
But it’s Texas, and it seems a lot like the version Chimpy left behind. Doesn’t seem likely.
Oops – thst’s 18 USC…
I bought “Jesus Camp” Saturday and brought it to this month’s dinner with longtime friends on Sunday. Just returned.
Ms. ET and the others were far more shocked than I was. I was mostly amazed at the smoothness of the woman who ran the camp. It is a very well made movie. Too bad we can’t find it at Blockbuster or Fred Meyer – at least where I live.
newtonusr @ 232
Yeah, I mention the civil rights aspect of it in a later post. That might involve a hand-off to that division of the DoJ, though. Gets complicated with regard to culpability with regard to the White House and the local USA.
Ultimately, this is just more Repug assholery, Texas-style. Perry should get reamed on it, first and foremost, but, criminal prosecution by the feds is an iffy issue.
montag @ 230:
The law cited is definitely a felony criminal offense. What makes it so is that the deprivation of rights is done “under color of law.” In most such cases, this means police officers, and the law also explicitly lists “prisons guards.” Since this is a youth facility, the suspects are not technically guards, but a good argument can be made that “color of law” applies given their official power over the victims. AUSA Baughman’s letter does assert that this might be difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt, though. And of course it is true that anything you have to argue about, you have a chance of flat-out losing before a jury.
The mainstream account that squares most directly with the Corsi piece is this 22 Mar article in the Austin American-Statesman. That article cites emails between Burzynski and state Assistant AG William Tatum (obtained under Texas Public Information Act), but they don’t quote from Baughman’s letter. To my knowledge, Corsi was the first to publish that, and the language therein is tone-deaf at best, and fairly damning of the US Attorney’s office in any case.
To avoid going to deep into the weeds, the best argument that it’s Federal is that the Ranger wanted to prosecute it that way. As I’ve said before, he’s about the only one in the story who has credibility. Among other things, he seems pretty savvy about the prospects for successful prosecution, saying that his decision to pursue federal prosecution was based on a “weak prosecutor” in the person of Reynolds. If Burzynski comes forward and says that the prosecution was actively suppressed, then the story is for real. I have a hunch we’ll find out pretty soon.
Bogota Colombia, March 24 U.S. – officials are turning over one of Colombia’s most notorious gangsters to serve a 12-year prison term in his homeland, a report says.
Pablo Esquidez was convicted of a drug conspiracy in Miami and is expected to arrive in Colombia within the next few days under heavy security to prevent a possible assassination attempt. The details of the transfer are secret.
Esquidez is scheduled to serve his sentence in Colombia for the U.S. conviction.
If you saw that headline, would it shock you? Busted in the USA, but returned to Colombia to serve his sentence? Don’t worry, it didn’t happen. But this did:
TEL AVIV, Israel, March 24 – U.S. officials are turning over one of Israel’s most notorious gangsters to serve a 12-year prison term in his homeland, a report says.
Zeev Rosenstein was convicted of a drug conspiracy in Miami and is expected to arrive in Israel within the next few days under heavy security to prevent a possible assassination attempt. The details of the transfer are secret.
Rosenstein is scheduled to serve his sentence in Israel for the U.S. conviction.
Makes no sense to me for some reason.
Hey montag-
1) no one said give Hagel a break
2) no one suggested “service” bought instant goodwill
3) we all pick and choose. I think Bubba Clinton is a walking shell game, and I’d vote for him again in an instant. I think Rudy was great for NY and the nation in the days after Sept. 11, but he’s a contemptible douche-bag and I wouldn’t piss on him if he were on fire. I think Hagel has some heroic moments in his life (past or more recent) where his soul has shown through, but possible election rigging isn’t one of them.
But right now, and actually for a good while now, on the defining issue in America and possibly the world, on an issue that we blister RGJoe for being wrong about every fucking chance we get, Hagel has been courageous.
IINM, Hagel’s first mention above is about him touching gently but unmistakably on IMPEACHMENT. In this he is my brother, and no one in the Republican Party, including Hagel, is getting rich off his quotes. In a Presidential election, he is “Coyote-Ugly”. But tossing flaming objects at war criminals – hey, I’d offer to help.
Human @ 235
No big arguments there, except that a Texas Ranger isn’t a federal prosecutor…. His judgment about the circumstances may not be dead on. And, the likelihood of the circumstances might still indicate a civil, not criminal, case on federal grounds, which would put it in an entirely different ballpark.
Ed*ard Teller @ 236
Some Floridian just got some heavy campaign cash.
newtonusr @ 237
Umm, you suggested it:
Bubba ain’t the subject here.
Okay, this is visceral. Courage my ass. More like calculation on his part. Trust this man and you’re destined to be severely disappointed.
More calculation. Period. Hagel’s a right-winger. Look at his goddamned voting record, will you?
Believe, and be deceived.
TeddySanFran @
24
I don’t think either was ever going to testify. Cheney was a litmus test for voir dire and Libby enabled them to get in evidence they wouldn’t have gotten in otherwise. Libby as victim would not have worked so well if he’d been cross examined.
I said this earlier, but I think the unexpectedness of the TPM reader response makes me even more convinced that the TNG forgeries came from Karl’s shop, and that the stories were planted. That may seem like a non-sequiter, but if it had really been the case that a swarm of independent people came together to take down Rather, then they should have known what would happen to this document dump.
And now they are absolutely, completely screwed. Everything they feed the maw points to the need for more. It’s like Audrey the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. They’ve gotta come up with the 18 days. There’s gonna be stuff there that points somewhere else. They can never say “That’s it. You’ve got everything.” and be believed.
This was an enormous tactical error.
montag @ 238
If the AUSA were competent, then there would be no issue here. They’d be supplying their best legal analysis, which would be helpful but of course disappointing to the Ranger. Nothing wrong there.
But there are other narratives that fit the known facts just as well. I find it equally plausible that Burzynski had a better sense of what would likely fly in court than all the reluctant prosecutors around him doing their level best to avoid actually bringing the case to trial. And, if there were improper interference with the case, then of course Baughman’s letter turning down the case would be couched in the most reasonable-sounding legal excuses he could muster.
In any case, I got a fact wrong in my previous post. The Austin American-Statesman did in fact cite Baughman’s letter, obtained under FoIA, although they didn’t go so far as to put a PDF online. So Corsi’s actual contribution to the record is pretty much limited to the posting of that publicly-available PDF.
I still can’t figure out what Corsi’s angle is in all this. That part is perhaps more intriguing to me than whether the substance of his sensational claims will hold up under closer examination.
Here’s my little love note to ATC for their report:
Thanks for another great post Trex. Rock on.
newtonusr @
239
Floridian? The article pinpoints “US Officials.” At a time when we’re going into foreign countires and abducting people for possibly thinking about killing Americans, we’re letting a person who might have actually killed Americans – this guy is a heroin dealer – get out of the country? At a time when the DOJ is under the most intense microscope in the department’s history, we’re trusting a government whose own departments are at least equally being scrutinized by their citizens for corruption? I really don’t get it.
The sad thing is that the US media, from what I’ve been able to find out so far, hasn’t even picked up on this. I got the link from an Israeli muckraker.
Sangemon @ 243
Thanks for another great post Trex. Rock on.
I would not have changed anything but “The blogs” to “Some blogs.”
All blogs are not alike. :)
montag @ 240
Dude, I’m not voting for Hagel. He’s not babysitting my kids tomorrow night. He’s not my banker or my priest or my attorney or my parent. I don’t need to trust him, I don’t care to trust him, and I don’t care who trusts him. And I don’t in fact, trust him.
I repeat:
Interesting quote from MSNBC (not his first), regarding Impeachment of Chimpy.
Deep and recorded antipathy towards the occupation.
The fact that he thinks like me on this stuff (and I believe he really thinks the occupation is a scourge, having beaten most Dems to the punch), but has more than just “ties” to ES&S, has a very conservative voting record, and has an R after his name, is precisely why it’s touchy.
jep at 106
[chuckle] In fact, Friday was the worst possible day to do this. It gave all those people with day jobs the weekend to work on this, getting the cherce bits served up and ready for harvesting for the Monday editions.
Instead of the reporters on the forefront going home for the weekend, and maybe putting in a couple of hours skimming, the TPM corps showed up for work early Saturday morning.
newtonusr @ 246
He never thought that from the outset–only much later (I guess that means, in essence, if he wasn’t smart enough in the first place to figure it out and oppose it, then he’s not nearly smart enough to be President now, eh?, so maybe other motives are at work…). I guess that’s my point. He’s not to be trusted because of that–and his voting record. :)
Cheers.
Ed*ard Teller @ 244
Sorry for being flip about it.
My Executive branch nightmare (completely fictional and irrational) goes like this:
ChimpCo begins to take on water after midterms.
Shooter reported “uncomfortable, spends a night or 2 @ Bethesda; OK, though.
Rice puts a stop to rumors she’ll jump in for ‘08.
Cheney home spotted with another shredder-truck in it’s driveway.
Castro dies.
Cheney makes another couple visits to Bethesda in the weeks following shredding party, and Bush makes an unscheduled stop in Talahassee.
Cheney, preferring to give over his duties to someone with an actual human heart, resigns.
Jeb appointed.
Ok, I’m off to bed. After reading the letters and the law more closely, I don’t see any strong evidence of Federal wrongdoing. There is clear evidence of incompetence on the part of the Ward County DA, and a disturbing pattern of indifference and inaction on the part of higher-ups all the way up to Gov. Perry (combined with the usual denials of any knowledge).
Corsi’s article is most definitely a smear. The language used by Baumann is certianly tone-deaf, but there is a very real distinction between what’s obviously an egregious crime on the part of the suspects, and what can be successfully prosecuted as an 18 USC 242 criminal civil rights case. Corsi blurs this distinction and makes Baumann out to look like it’s condoning sexual abuse. Not so, and not fair.
I’m only sure of one fact about this mess: Matt Angle is a total fucking idiot for even giving Corsi the time of day. Matt may be well-meaning and genuinely concerned about the miscarriage of justice, but Corsi’s credibility is nonexistent. The big mystery remains: why is Corsi trying to smear Abu G, at a time when Bush is still standing by him?
Human @ 250
It’s a damned good question, these days, and one worth asking. We might yet get an answer, in time.
Good morning, pups. Today the NYT has Bob Herbert on John and Elizabeth Edwards’ lesson to us about courage and grace, and Paul Krugman on the “Emerging Republican Minority.” Ahhhh, Mr. Krugman, music to my ears…
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and I was in the mood for corn muffins today. (They have little bits of crispy bacon in them. Mmmmm…)
ET-
Israel has an actual body of law to deal with this. I’m trying to find it.
THE WAR IN THE WORDS OF THE DEAD
Newsweek
The families who co-operated with NEWSWEEK did not do so to make unified political statements; their views are as divergent as the broad public’s. “It’s not an issue of being antiwar or pro-war, anti-Bush or pro-Bush,” says Larry Page, whose son Rex died in action. “The real issue is that our young people are there, and they need and deserve our support. My son said to me in one of his phone calls from Iraq: ‘Dad, we’ve taken the fight to them. If we don’t fight them here, we will fight them on the streets of America. They proved that at 9/11. We don’t want IEDs and suicide bombers on the streets of America.’ My son and 3,000 others bravely gave their lives so that you and I could live in liberty and freedom.” That is one view; there are, to say the least, others. “The words of our fallen soldiers bear silent witness to their valiant effort to do their best on our behalf,” says Paul R. Petty, who lost his son Christopher. “They have not been defeated in battle, but neither were they given the wherewithal to achieve the desired result. Ill-conceived notions of a foreign culture led us to believe we could accomplish our goals easily and on the cheap.” The point that unites them is grief—and the centrality of the human story of war.
Is it just me, or are we seeing way too much of John Bolton right now? Seems he’s been in a “secret, undisclosed location” since his ouster, then he shows up on the Daily Show this past week, and on CNN yesterday.
I got an email from a relative that is one of those emails that get forwarded around the country. This one is about immigration, sent by a David Labonte that says his wife Rosemary sent to OC Register which was not printed. In this letter to ed, she mentions a Ernie Lujan who she says suggests that we may as well tear down the Statue of Liberty because today’s immigrants are not treated the same as those who came through Ellis Island.
I did the Snopes thing but did not find much else just googling. I don’t like these emails that people just forward without knowing their origin or veracity. Who is David & Rosemary Labonte & is Ernie Lujan a real person? It would be great to have some more info on this story to send to my naive relative.
newtonusr @ 255
Umm, we’ve always seen too much of Bolton. :)
Given that he got smacked down on “The Daily Show,” and got smacked down on the BBC, I’d guess these are volunteer efforts of his to salvage his and the neocons’ reputations and to promote his book (never discount profit motive with these fucks).
Not that his efforts will do much good. Once an asshole, always an asshole….
Mornin’ all!
montag @ 257
And he’s not doing the newest NeoCon backpeddle – he’s still with the “Ties to terrorism, Iran’s neighbor, Al Queda’s new home” bullshit. He is Shooter, but without the smirk.
newtonusr @ 259
He’s Shooter without Shooter’s stock portfolio…. A wishful thinker, if you will. :)
There’s a lot of similarities in the honor system that is eBay, and blogging.
At least one of the similarities involves peer pressure, feedback with eBay and comments for blogs. It’s not a perfect fit but it’s a start.
Biden on Imus this morning asking Imus to help him push the WH so that v-shaped vehicles get authorized in the supplemental. “This isn’t about saving money, this is about saving lives.”
Biden says the WH is footdragging and saying well you just want to get us out of there soon anyway so why bother [my paraphrase]. A cynical and soul-less powerplay by the WH IMO.
One important area of pushback…success is built on individual “stones”…Success on this front will help leverage against this corrupt administration and there’ll be less dying and maiming for everybody…including the Iraqis Siun so powerfully posted about yesterday.
Marcy, addendum to EPU two threads ago:
Jay Rosen looks like another good receipient of your latest. Even though he’s familiar with FDL, I don’t know how religiously he reads it.
Hmm, and perhaps an appearance by you before budding journalists to articulate the ills of the current media. . .
good morning!
mornin’ all,
thanks for the corn muffins Marion, we make ours with canned cream corn in place of water and sometimes use diced mild chiles – will have to try the bacon bits : )
so what do we have teed up this week ? Kyle Sampson on thursday – I see Waxman is pursuing the Eubanks/Tobacco Settlement storyline, but not to the hearing phase yet, from yesterdays news suspect he may be equally curious about the Civil Rights Div.. that’ll be just fine with this hippie
New thread upstairs…
I knew I was behind on the threads, but has everyone else seen this ???
but, what will we tell Broderella ??? (11 sec.)
sweet baby jesus, the Great Rupture continues unabated
Renee in Ohio @ 40
Funny!
Ed*ard Teller @
233
I *TOLD* you, you “Big, Tough, Alaskan Male™”.
Astrology.
That’s all progressives need to enhance their credibility on the science of global warming.
Heh.
Healing crystals, dude.