Comments on: Who speaks for Iraq? http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:23:19 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Diana http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584954 Diana Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:54:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584954 <p>Here’s another Iraqi voice that should be listened to:</p> <p><a href="http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/">http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/</a></p> Here’s another Iraqi voice that should be listened to:

http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/

]]> By: verna http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584636 verna Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:24:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584636 <p>thank you, angie…we need to think about what this has done to the people who live there!!<br /> and you, tsf,for your letter to 60 minutes about katie couric. she is a real sleazebag.</p> thank you, angie…we need to think about what this has done to the people who live there!!
and you, tsf,for your letter to 60 minutes about katie couric. she is a real sleazebag.

]]> By: Via http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584460 Via Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:03:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584460 <p>Heard a particularly heartbreaking story on NPR this morning by an Iraqi who works as an NPR interpreter, I believe. 8 young boys were machinegunned to death while they played soccer in a mixed Shia/Sunni neighborhood by unidentified men who then excaped in a car. Maddened by grief and rage and helplessness, neighbor took up arms against neighbor in this place where people of different sects had coexisted peacefully up until the unthinkable happened to their children. There are not words to express this tragedy, which reflects what this president has inflicted on Iraq.</p> Heard a particularly heartbreaking story on NPR this morning by an Iraqi who works as an NPR interpreter, I believe. 8 young boys were machinegunned to death while they played soccer in a mixed Shia/Sunni neighborhood by unidentified men who then excaped in a car. Maddened by grief and rage and helplessness, neighbor took up arms against neighbor in this place where people of different sects had coexisted peacefully up until the unthinkable happened to their children. There are not words to express this tragedy, which reflects what this president has inflicted on Iraq.

]]> By: mls http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584382 mls Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:01:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584382 <p>Some videos on life in the “red zone” of Baghdad</p> <p><a href="http://aliveinbaghdad.blip.tv/?1=1&&skin=rss">aliveinbaghdad</a></p> <p><a href="http://hometownbaghdad.com/2007/03/16/video-grabs-from-hometown-baghdad/#comments">hometownbaghdad</a></p> <p>And also for this search of the Heavy metal band in Baghdad in Sept 2006<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK9ZkW0HabQ&mode=related&search=">youtube link</a></p> Some videos on life in the “red zone” of Baghdad

aliveinbaghdad

hometownbaghdad

And also for this search of the Heavy metal band in Baghdad in Sept 2006
youtube link

]]> By: Ceris Pseudo http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584361 Ceris Pseudo Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:55:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584361 <p>I agree with some of the posts here as I do feel I can somewhat understand where some Iraqis are coming from - those that attack military forces that are occupying their country. However my understanding only reaches to those that are attacking occupying forces. My understanding does NOT reach to those that are constantly fighting other Iraqis and especially those who truly are (for lack of a better word) terrorists who only target civilians. It’s hard to see all of this going on as it brings conflicting emotions - I wish for our troops to come back home as soon as possible, but I also strongly feel that we need to clean up the mess that we started (it would be horrible to leave Iraq in a state of chaos). I identify with Iraqi’s who hate to see our troops around because they see us as the occupiers, but I also strongly identify with the troops who have good intentions (as my brother will soon be joining them in Iraq).</p> <p>It all leads to a very conflicting scenario.</p> <p>-Ceris</p> I agree with some of the posts here as I do feel I can somewhat understand where some Iraqis are coming from – those that attack military forces that are occupying their country. However my understanding only reaches to those that are attacking occupying forces. My understanding does NOT reach to those that are constantly fighting other Iraqis and especially those who truly are (for lack of a better word) terrorists who only target civilians. It’s hard to see all of this going on as it brings conflicting emotions – I wish for our troops to come back home as soon as possible, but I also strongly feel that we need to clean up the mess that we started (it would be horrible to leave Iraq in a state of chaos). I identify with Iraqi’s who hate to see our troops around because they see us as the occupiers, but I also strongly identify with the troops who have good intentions (as my brother will soon be joining them in Iraq).

It all leads to a very conflicting scenario.

-Ceris

]]> By: farang http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584344 farang Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:29:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584344 <p>It is difficult for me to look at this young boy’s face. I see anger. I see pride. I see determination to rid his country of invaders that have destroyed his childhood.</p> <p>I also see 15-20 years ago, my own sons eyes reflected in his, in that predicament, because I know what I would teach my sons to do to foreign invaders that had come to steal our resources, our country, our dignity.</p> <p>The Cradle of Civilization, and we have 19 year olds from the streets of Compton, California and Nebraska cornfields telling Iraqis how to “behave” and “set up a government.” Oh yeah, “I support” those high school drop outs and criminals we now scrape up to ship off to illegally occupy a country that did us no harm.</p> <p>Sheesh.</p> <p>A suggested plan: Could someone please go back to 2003/2004, and find those speeches Bush gave about “not staying one minute more than necessary to find Saddam, then we leave”, about how “Iraq oil belongs to the Iraqis”?</p> <p>I think we just need to start playing back their own words to these LIARS and CON MEN at EVERY turn now, and hold them accountable.</p> <p>How ’bout it? Anyone now how to find those telvise speeches from back then? I’d love to hear that repeated on video for all blog readers to enjoy.</p> <p>I feel ashamed of my country, ashamed of myself for not doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to make things right in Iraq, as well as can be at this point.</p> <p>Then, I suggest we clean up our own house.</p> <p>I truly oppose the Death Penalty. I voted against it (losing side) in an election years ago in California. I always thought, it shjoil;d be up to the convicted to decide if they want to stay in prison for LIFE, NO PAROLE for premeditated murder, or decide to just take a pill and go bye-bye.</p> <p>But I also remember, as a young child (9?) in Arlington, Va, walking with my buddy John Clouser, who knows how kids get on these subjects, but I DO recall saying to him (ingrained in my upbringing?) that if you kill someone, you go to jail, then then electrocute you.</p> <p>I am now of the opinion that the crimes of this adminstration are such an anathema to Liberty, that the ONLY WAY America will start to recover from this nightmare, is to give Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rice, Zelikow, Frank, Meyers, Bremer, Abramoff, Gonzales and whoever else the investigation into the High Crimes and Misdemeanors of leading my country into an illegal war of aggression, need to pay the ultimate price. Or forever stay in prison as an example of what happens when you mess with My Constitution, Bitches. Their choice.</p> <p>Or we won’t heal as a nation. Call me extremist if you must, but there it is.</p> <p>I suppose now I will be labeled a “enemy combatant” by “The State.” </p> <p>Well, I make my stand here, now.</p> It is difficult for me to look at this young boy’s face. I see anger. I see pride. I see determination to rid his country of invaders that have destroyed his childhood.

I also see 15-20 years ago, my own sons eyes reflected in his, in that predicament, because I know what I would teach my sons to do to foreign invaders that had come to steal our resources, our country, our dignity.

The Cradle of Civilization, and we have 19 year olds from the streets of Compton, California and Nebraska cornfields telling Iraqis how to “behave” and “set up a government.” Oh yeah, “I support” those high school drop outs and criminals we now scrape up to ship off to illegally occupy a country that did us no harm.

Sheesh.

A suggested plan: Could someone please go back to 2003/2004, and find those speeches Bush gave about “not staying one minute more than necessary to find Saddam, then we leave”, about how “Iraq oil belongs to the Iraqis”?

I think we just need to start playing back their own words to these LIARS and CON MEN at EVERY turn now, and hold them accountable.

How ’bout it? Anyone now how to find those telvise speeches from back then? I’d love to hear that repeated on video for all blog readers to enjoy.

I feel ashamed of my country, ashamed of myself for not doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to make things right in Iraq, as well as can be at this point.

Then, I suggest we clean up our own house.

I truly oppose the Death Penalty. I voted against it (losing side) in an election years ago in California. I always thought, it shjoil;d be up to the convicted to decide if they want to stay in prison for LIFE, NO PAROLE for premeditated murder, or decide to just take a pill and go bye-bye.

But I also remember, as a young child (9?) in Arlington, Va, walking with my buddy John Clouser, who knows how kids get on these subjects, but I DO recall saying to him (ingrained in my upbringing?) that if you kill someone, you go to jail, then then electrocute you.

I am now of the opinion that the crimes of this adminstration are such an anathema to Liberty, that the ONLY WAY America will start to recover from this nightmare, is to give Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rice, Zelikow, Frank, Meyers, Bremer, Abramoff, Gonzales and whoever else the investigation into the High Crimes and Misdemeanors of leading my country into an illegal war of aggression, need to pay the ultimate price. Or forever stay in prison as an example of what happens when you mess with My Constitution, Bitches. Their choice.

Or we won’t heal as a nation. Call me extremist if you must, but there it is.

I suppose now I will be labeled a “enemy combatant” by “The State.”

Well, I make my stand here, now.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584341 selise Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:25:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584341 <p><a href="#comment-584095"><em>Siun @<br /> 86 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Angie - we all keep fighting and doing all we can to raise the voices of the Iraqi people. We need to decide who we stand with and I chose that little boy who demands justice.</p></blockquote> <p>i’m so sorry to have missed this discussion…</p> <p>to suin (and all the commenters here) - thank you so much for caring about iraqis, and for not letting their voices be silenced.</p> <p>.oh. and…. OUT NOW!!!</p> Siun @
86

Angie – we all keep fighting and doing all we can to raise the voices of the Iraqi people. We need to decide who we stand with and I chose that little boy who demands justice.

i’m so sorry to have missed this discussion…

to suin (and all the commenters here) – thank you so much for caring about iraqis, and for not letting their voices be silenced.

.oh. and…. OUT NOW!!!

]]> By: montag http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584148 montag Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:48:44 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584148 <p><a href="#comment-584114"><em>GSD @ 94</em></a></p> <blockquote><p> Notice the miraculous decrease in American troop deaths for March………The surge is working!</p> <p>Delusional is the kindest thing one can say.</p></blockquote> <p>Does that include the five announced today? Four in Diyala, one in NW Baghdad?</p> GSD @ 94

Notice the miraculous decrease in American troop deaths for March………The surge is working!

Delusional is the kindest thing one can say.

Does that include the five announced today? Four in Diyala, one in NW Baghdad?

]]> By: GSD http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584129 GSD Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:31:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584129 <p>Stats for Iraqi military and civilian deaths show more unremarkable results:<br /> <b><br /> Period Total<br /> Mar-07 1211<br /> Feb-07 1531<br /> Jan-07 1802</b></p> <p>-GSD</p> Stats for Iraqi military and civilian deaths show more unremarkable results:

Period Total
Mar-07 1211
Feb-07 1531
Jan-07 1802

-GSD

]]> By: Mabel’s Wig Shack http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584125 Mabel’s Wig Shack Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:29:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/25/draft-who-speaks-for-iraq/#comment-584125 <p>thanks for this post siun.</p> thanks for this post siun.

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