A boy holds an Iraqi flag during a protest in Kerbala, 110 km (70 miles) south of Baghdad, March 24, 2007. Thousands of displaced families took to the streets in Kerbala on Saturday, demonstrating against a government decision to ask them to move out from the government buildings they have occupied. REUTERS/Mushtaq Muhammad (IRAQ)
We've come to the end of the week in which we marked the fourth anniversary of our occupation of Iraq, the week in which some celebrated the passage of the supplemental while others despaired at the total inadequacy of that legislation. It's been another week full of pundits and "experts" and advisors, a week of so much "news" about Iraq, And yet, in the middle of all the debates and strategies and maneuvers, the analysis and pronouncements, the voices always missing are those of the Iraqis themselves.
Tonight, let's take the time to listen to the voices of those who bear the daily cost of our inability to end this war.
Just broadcast this week, a two part documentary - Eyewitness Iraq - is a sampling taken from the reporting of Hugh Sykes, a BBC World Service reporter who has covered Iraq since the invasion. While the stories here have been chosen by a western reporter, listen closely and you can hear the sounds of life in Iraq and the true voices of Iraqis.
Another news source that offers a chance to explore Iraqi voices is the blog kept by the Baghdad bureau of the McClatchy News Service, Inside Iraq. Sahar's latest, Silence is Golden, tells of what she misses in the midst of sirens and gunfire and explosions:
You never really appreciate something until you lose it.
I never really paid any attention to the bliss of silence, until I lost it.
It’s not that I don’t care for the loss of electricity;
It’s not that I don’t care for the loss of security;
It’s not that I don’t care for the loss family get-togethers, or any of the ordinary things you would take for granted living in the Baghdad of my memories, like taking a walk.
No, all these things I do miss; but silence, I miss most of all.
You can read the rest here .
Or browse through the entries at Iraq Blog Count and at Olive Branch Network. IraqBlogCount provides links to over 100 Iraqi blogs. The opinions range across the spectrum and the listings are updated often. OliveBranch Network pulls together blog posts from Iraq - again, the views are diverse, the posts range from political thoughts and descriptions of life as a refugee to poems and art.
One of the participants of OliveBranch is Khalid Jarrar, a brother of Raed Jarrar. Khalid's blog Tell Me A Secret has a heartbreaking post on The Fourth Year:
So as a conclusion i have to say: That it's shameful enough, and hurtful enough to say, and sad enough yet truthful enough, that for most Americans it actually requires terrorism that kills innocent people, and resistance that kills thousands of Americans and burns billions of American money, to make them demand an end to an occupation, but still basing on their own losses and not because of the feeling of responsibility or guilt over what they did to Iraq, now correct me if i am wrong here, but there is something seriously wrong with this moral equation here.
Anas Altikriti, an Iraqi living in London also commemorated the anniversary. His post on the Guardian's Comment is Free site is titled Victims of War:
Exactly four years after the decision to launch a massive military assault on Iraq, the country lies in ruins.
(snip)
Now we find the country and its people facing times much worse than they ever were, even in those dark days. There has been a total and complete collapse of a modern society, which once boasted one of the most advanced healthcare, education and industrial systems throughout the developing world, and which saw the total eradication of illiteracy and the rate of infant mortality reduced to levels better than even those of Spain and Italy. It produced dozens of scientists from all walks of life every single year. This is an indictment of the western values that George Bush and Tony Blair continuously flaunt going to war over. Politicians and scientists will disagree as to whether the number of Iraqis killed since March 2003 amount to 75,000 or 750,000. Take your pick as to whom you find more credible; but it destructs any moral argument we may have to propose that things have gone relatively well since "only" 75,000 people have been killed over the course of four years.
(snip)
And what of those that have seen their lives obliterated? What of the children who can no longer venture outside their front doors, never mind go to school? The academics who can no longer study or produce works of science; the women who constantly fear rape, abduction or the loss of a loved one; the sick who cannot find treatment; the detained, abused and tortured on mere suspicion or for being at the wrong place at the wrong time; the afraid, the traumatised, the terrorised, the injured, wounded and the disabled?
What of the nation which never in its modern existence came to see its citizens according to their sect, ethnicity, religion, or nationalistic orientations, yet now finds that not only its political system and constitution - parachuted in all the way from Uncle Sam's back yard - but their entire social and civil structures divided along lines that were, until March 2003, invisible (indeed, non-existent)?
(snip)
Our politicians have a lot to answer for. History will hold them to account and will see to it that their respective legacies are tainted with the faces, shredded limbs and blood of those who endured the ramifications of their decisions, votes and statements made from the luxury of high offices in London, Washington and elsewhere. But before that happens we, the people of free and democratic nations, must. Otherwise, we too will have sold out on our humanity and become complicit in one of the crimes of modern history.
I will be sending Altikriti's piece to my senators tomorrow as they consider their next step and following up with more - it's way past time for us to listen to the people whose land we now occupy and to do our best to give them a seat at the table.
PS - In my Saturday news post at Today In Iraq this week, there's a link to a moving music video produced by Stirling Newberry of the Agonist . The music is from Stirling's Piano Sonata #3 in C "Ares" - click here for the youtube: Ares .
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Siun!
The Iraqis do!
Nobody else, ever.
Hi Siun– going back to read now.
Hi Coz!
Siun @
2
Hiya, Siun!
Siun!
(and now for the treat of reading your post…)
dang it– in mod. already!
heh.
I’ve been staring at that little boy’s photo for two days now …
Hi Kirk!
Bushco doesn’t give a flying fig about those brown folks or any other. I as many other Americans weep for all the life lost in Iraq, Iraqi and American alike.
Angie … in trouble already?
Folks - don’t miss the piece by Stirling … his music is definitely worth a listen.
Great title!
Now to go back and read it.
Nice, Siun!
I was listening to Air America today and they had on a writer from Mother Jones who questioned the idea being put forth by BushCo that withdrawal = greatly increased bloodbath. This would seem to tie into this.
(Oh, and go into the html and take out the first “blockquote” — it’s throwing everything off. Alternatively, whoever’s modding could do that.)
If a foreign power were occupying my country, the United States, as a result of an unprovoked attack, and were killing and wounding my women, children and men, with the intent to steal my country’s resources, and subvet my religion and culture, I would fight the invaders to the end. Would I be a freedom fighter, perhaps a patriot, or an insurgent and a terrorist? It’s sort of a give Iraq back to the Iraqis thing, maybe in the same vein of ‘give Ireland back to the Irish’ and Scotland back to the Scots.
The human side to this is heart breaking. All middle class people who could afford it fled.
I’m freed (thanks mods)– perhaps my gratefulnees over seeing you and your post pushed me over the top, Siun. Thank you and that is a haunting photo, indeed.
He needs his future back and his horrid past safely behind him. We owe them all that and so much more.
Did anyone see Richard Engel’s “War Diaries” on MSNBC? I didn’t, but heard it was unlike anything ever seen on American televion.
PW - thanks … if you refresh, you’ll see it’s fixed now.
I know some don’t like to hear this, but many elected officials in my Democratic Party are also responsible for the Middle East mess. And of particular concern here, is I don’t hear my party speaking about a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian situation.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
DING!
EPU’d from previous thread (but related, since it’s Iraq we’re talking about):
Exactly.
And the worst thing is that Frankel will never, EVER admit that Judy Miller is NOT a reporter, but neocon zampolit.
We’re talking about someone who ordered US troops around on behalf of Ahmad Chalabi. That’s NOT the action of a disinterested reporter. And Frankel knows this. He MUST know this.
Siun @ 6
Hi Siun!
Thanks for sharing that pic -
….. a little boy exercising his freedoms.
Thinking back to the first weeks of US occupation in Fallujah…
US forces encamped on the premises of a religious school.
Peaceful march from Fallujah comes out to exercise their new freedoms and demand US Army leave school to allow classes.
Shots fired - Fallujah folk died from US bullets.
Fallujah - site of intractable resistance to Saddam -
turns against US - and US “freedoms”.
Wish the US soldiers with no crowd control experience who fired on the peaceful protesters had seen more pictures of little Iraqis who - like little Americans - were raised to love their flags.
Maybe we’d need fewer flags for coffins, and fewer coffins - Iraqi or American.
Maybe US troops would never have besieged Fallujah and murdered the males trapped therein.
Pictures = good.
Thanks.
Kirk … inmportant tale of Falluja. It’s been the site of so many horrors and such staunch resistance.
Is there any way out but to leave right now? Surely more Iraqi blood will spill whether we stay or go, so let’s go. This “bloodbath” the war proponents speak of, it is happening now.
TROOPS
HOME
NOW
It’s not just Iraq, or Iran for that matter. It’s the whole region which is ready to explode.
JML - I saw part of Engel’s piece but hope they re-show it so I can see the whole thing.
Siun, have you had the occasion to read/hear the interviews with Jeremy Scahill wrt to Fallujah, Blackwater and more at Democracy Now!?
It’s here at the link and on the 20 and 21st.
Part 1 and 2 “Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army”
http://www.democracynow.org/br.....p;month=03
chilling stuff.
TSF– out now. right now.
Teddy … I see no other right answer but out now or as our friends at GorillasGuides say “Leave”
This from the Associated Press today:
So, it is starting to turn. But, if you will notice only when the MSM gets continually beaten about the head and ears with the raw truth and they are forced to acknowledge the majority view instead of the corporate view — ie; The Money Shot.
And, on Crooks and Liars yesterday there was a quote from Hannity (I would rather eat dog vomit than watch Faux, so I have to go from other’s who can stomach it..) interviewing a retired Colonel who took the two main talking points used by the Repugs and dispelled them:
1,466 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
oklahoma kiddo and the Firepup Patriots:
“Its sort of a give Iraq back to the Iraqis thing.”
That is indeed what this is all about…the corporate oligarchy has stolen enough from the treasury and trained and equipped enough mercenaries and “contract” workers with taxpayers money so that the fall back position when we get out will be the “partition” of the country into 3 rump states and the corporatists will have 125,000-150,000 fully equipped and experienced troops on the ground to control 2 of the three partitions with Turkey takin’ care of the third. The oil fields in the south are already occupied and bunkered…where do ya think those secure military installations are bein’ built?
“Iraq for the Iraqis” should be our cry from this moment forward…that’s where the politics is gunna come down, fighting for a US withdrawal that takes the mercenaries and corporate “Hessians” with us and leaves the country politically intact.
Make no mistake…this is it for the corporate fascists, if the end game of our politics in the next 2 years does not end with a complete purging of the corporatists from our politics, it won’t matter who is elected…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS THE LAST BATTLE!!
Leave Iraq now? How do we get my party, Demos to stand up for this?
This if WE leave the Iraq’s will commit genocide talking point is bull. With our modern technology WE depending on the numbers MIGHT not have killed as many Iraq’s as Saddam has YET! BUT with our technolgy we are killing Iraq’s at a much FASTER RATE THAN SADDAM DID or the Sunni and Shites are doing now DESPITE OUR EFFORTS TO KEEP THE PEACE. Rather than wait until WE are guilty of Genocide (how many people do you have to kill for it to be Genocide/a Statistic?) we should leave. True Humilty is knowing when despite your best efforts you are only making things worst!
And the saddest part…even if we suddenly had the wisest of leaders and the finest of intentions, I still do not see a solution.
Angie - thanks for the links … I hadn’t heard those but will listen tonight.
There’s also an important story about Petraeus that is not getting noticed -
Editor & Publisher on Petraeus
The scourge of suicides among American troops in Iraq is a serious, and seriously underreported, problem, as this column has observed numerous times in the past three years. One of the few high-profile cases involved a much-admired Army colonel named Ted Westhusing.
A portrait of Westhusing written by T. Christian Miller for the Los Angeles Times in November 2005 (which I covered at the time) revealed that Westhusing, before putting a bullet through his head, had been deeply disturbed by abuses carried out by American contractors in Iraq, including allegations that they had witnessed or even participated in the murder of Iraqis.
His widow, asked by a friend what killed this West Point scholar, had replied simply: “Iraq.”
Now, a new article reveals — based on documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act — that Westhusing’s apparent suicide note included claims that his two commanders tolerated a mission based on “corruption, human right abuses and liars.” One of those commanders: the new leader of the “surge” campaign in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus.
Thanks Siun…
I wonder how the whole tragedy may have gone if the Falluja troops were civil affairs forces.
and I’m ignorant…
from your postings, seems the proper spelling is “Falluja”?
(and mods - your message last night seen. Thank you for the correction. Apology to y’all.
Will train myself to cease “troll patrol”…Lake is changing in good ways!)
I didn’t see it (was at a forum at church that I hope to find time to write up before too long), but here’s a post about Katie Couric’s interview with John and Elizabeth Edwards.
1,466 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AN..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo and the Firepup Patriots:
“Leave Iraq now?” That’s not the question…we’re leavin at some point in the next 18 months, that’s what the resolution passed Friday means. What is important is not that we leave right now but that when we leave we take the oil companies with us and leave Iraq for the Iraqis and their neighbors.
KEEP THE FAITH AND FIGHT FOR THE IRAQIS!!!
It is very refreshing to see someone - finally! I thought I was the only one - call what our government has become - Corporate Fascist State of America.
As Mark Twain said; “Patriotism is supporting your country all of the time, and your government when they deserve it.”
And… compliments of Downwithtyranny.blogspot.com a Sinclair Lewis quote:
NorskeFlamethrower @ 28
Kirk - there are often multiple ways to spell arabic words in english letters … I’ve seen several for Falluja so I use the one that Al Aswat uses in their English edition:
http://www.aswataliraq.info/print.php?sid=40219
Sundays with Siun
An appropriate way to end the week, reflecting on the harm don in our name.
This is the 800 lb gorilla.
While the number of American lives lost, destroyed and damaged is far from trivial, it is dwarfed by the damage wrought abroad in our name.
Norske - I do hope we are leaving though 18 months is way too long … but …
the legislation allows for leaving “an undisclosed” number of troops behind to do …well … to do the things W claims they are doing now.
What Profit it a bushie to gain the whole world (conquer Iraq) only to lose their Imortal Soul in the process (lying about WMD, unprovoked war, Unintentional Genocide “just how many DO we have to kill”)…and never make a profit from Iraq’s Oil? God and Capitalism frown on the bushie’s pride!
Khalid Jarrar’s piece is important to read - remember that he is the brother of Raed and part of that famous Iraqi blogging family. He has given up on nonviolence … and feels the only way to get the US out is to fight …
read all of his post … and see what we have done
the image that most haunts me, i saw in a movie called “jenin, jenin” (2002) about the refugee camp in the west bank that’s been all but obliterated. in one of the scenes was a girl maybe 11 or 12 years old, with a look of great dignity and focus, way more serious and searing than anyone that age should need to look. the sense i got of her was that in a few years she’d be leading the opposition. after the movie, there was a moderated discussion in the theater that seemed anti-semitic to me because people were talking about all the jews in high positions of government - like wolfowitz, perle, etc. that was my intro to the neocons. i stayed up all night googling and reading about pnac. and dropped the picture i’d created that the discussion was anti-semitic. when it was clear to me in the weeks preceding our destruction of fallujah that our government was going to take a page out of the israeli playbook, i was walking around like a crazed person. what with white phosphorus and all, the reality was even worse than i’d feared. even writing this now, i’m just sickened by what these monsters have been doing.
i’m very happy to see the unraveling happening these days of the lunatic government tapestry. i put in the end of another thread, but i add it in here as well ’cause i don’t think anyone saw it. i’ve been getting concerned about bush feeling cornered and the “patriot” act giving bush the ability to declare martial law. i wrote my congressman that it’s a concern and i’d like to see that rolled back. think i’ll call him too. anyone else think this needs attending to asap?
Who speaks for Iraq?
Oh that’s easy.
Donald Rumsfeld.
Siun @ 32
When is the MSM going to ask Petraeus about this because history will and history will wonder how come the press doesn’t ask about this. Yet they give judy miller a Pulitzer for lies that started an unprovoked war.
Greenwarrior … important points. Again in my news post yesterday at TII, there was a piece from the UN IRIN news service about Iraqi women who are training to become suicide bombers …
http://www.middle-east-online....../?id=20128
Also a discussion from the Progressive on the new focus amongst US mil leaders on a new Salvador option to follow the inevitable failure of the surge:
http://progressive.org/blogressive/031507/amaya
Siun,
I am sitting in my living room with my 20 year old, who’s got kd lang playing Leonard Cohen on the CD player. It’s quiet and sorta sad and loving and tired afer my mother in law’s birthday party we held here this afternoon.
And then I get to open FDL and see that haunting face you’ve posted for us.
There’s much to think about, and we have to do it now, and we have to think hard to get it right.
So your post is just right.
It’s time to turn the machine around. Thanks for your good work.
Things come undone - I have not seen anyone pick up the Petraeus story and that link is to Editor and Publisher so the MSM knows it’s out there!
The only solution after all of our longstanding foreign policy fiascos is to leave and stop the brutal occupations and honestly engage in brokering a just Palestinian/Israeli peace.
We have created every ounce of animosity by our greed and our own imperialism and our unevenhanded and hamfisted foreign policy.
We want what they have under their sand and feet and don’t seem to give a damn about the people. We won’t wean ourselves, so we borrow or steal what we want thru bloodshed and shady dealings.
I remember not to long ago trying to understand the prevailing talking points that it was in “our national interests” and for “our national security” to have a presence in someone else’s land. I did not buy it then, nor do I now. The only way to have a presence is to be an invited guest. We are no longer invited or wanted except by some in power that have played footsie with us for too long while neglecting their own people and engaging in a dangerous but lucrative game with us. The regular people are dying and are rightly angry at us. Our continuing aggression and cruelty is harming our interests/security and is killing hundreds of thousands! Yet people still cower in fear here and prolong the agony over there.
Get out. Apologize. Pay reparations. War Criminals to the Hague and a new real promise of a just foreign policy with results will help put us on the right path. Then apologize again and mean it.
Some in this government should have had at least a modicum of respect and knowledge of the culture and history and people of the region that they have destroyed.
/rant
Siun I’m just trying to shame the MSM into doing their jobs. I hope it works.
Alison @ 46
I absolutely adore Leonard Cohen’s work. As to Lang, she did a terrific job commenting on and off during a Peggy Lee (I’m a big fan of this very talented person) PBS special last night. ;0)
greenwarrior, I do agree. Bush/Cheney need to be reigned in immediately. This should be the next call to action. We need to drastically change the UnPatriot act.
Alison … your 20 yr old has great taste!
OK Kiddo - I’ll have to look for the Lang show on Peggy Lee … KD Lang is one of my faves.
I am sick of David Brooks concern troll atitiude about genocide in Iraq. I never hear him demanding we send American troops to stop genocide anywhere else in the world. Allthough considering the Great Job we are doing in Iraq maybe its for the best.
Things … the problem with all the talk about US troops being used to prevent genocide is that the sectarian violence is part of a US strategy … it is not of Iraqi origin.
Oops. The 20 year old is home and sad and wishing life were easier.
kd lang is for crying.
Oops.
Alison @ 46-
Is that Cohen’s “Hallelujah”? lang’s version is haunting and passionate. Beautiful.
Alison … my youngest just turned 21 … life is not simple for that age.
Before losing this in a server glitch this AM, I was going to post this about Specter’s pending appearance/performance during the then upcoming Sunday Morning Talking Heads…
=====
Gads, Arlen Specter. From the “Magic Bullet Theory” down to “WhoDat Snuck the Fascism into the Patriot Act?”, one stellar contribution after another to the demise of the American body politic.
Go F&ck Yourself, Arlen Specter. Nothing good will ever come of listening to you. Your stupid attempts at “compromise” with the WH on the US Attorney firings will never come to any good… You’ll give in and sell out at the last moment — as ever.
Go F&ck Yourself, Arlen Specter.
much more here:
http://www.informationclearing.....e17359.htm
(i hope i have not created a problem dear moderators!)
S.O.S. from MA @ 58
It is a pleasing thing to note at this juncture in time that the above was spoken to Pat Leahy on the Senate floor by Dick Cheney.
I have no doubt that Sen. Leahy has not forgotten. Arlen would be well to remember, too…. :)
Alison @
55
yeah, calling all angels is a good one for wishing life were easier.
This Iraq war is going to be like slavery and the extermination of the Native Americans to our national sense of self, which is to say, we will not as a people face up to what we have committed for a long time, if ever. There are a lot of reasons for this, but I think the sheer pain of putting yourself in the shoes of someone you have tortured and disfigured and ruined is too hard for most people to bear. There will always be Abolitionists — that’s really what we are here; but we will be in the minority. No one thinks much of what we did to the Vietnamese. It’s always all about us. Mr. Bush isn’t the only solipsist among us.
Angie … thank you for posting that. The sectarian divide in Iraq is just so much propaganda used by this administration and their allies to see us more war.
“21 … life is not simple for that age.”
I recall my daughter as a 16 year old. Yes I spoiled her. She was the apple her of pop’s eye. However, there were rare ocassions when I thought I’d be better off dead than have a teenage daughter. Enjoy the kids while they’re young, for in the blink of an eye they are grown. I’d give anything to go back and spend one day with my kid when she was young. And full of herself.
Thanks Siun, I appreciate your dedication to this.
There are so many emotions raging through me, anger, frustration, disbelief that my government is responsible for this. It my duty going forward to work hard, and make sure a government like the present one NEVER gets it’s hand on power again.
My hope is that these criminals got so intoxicated on power and greed that they forever destroyed the military industrial complex.
On a different note, KD Lang is great live. I was so fortunate to see her on the Constant Craving tour.
She’s one of my all time favorites. I’m listening to Absolute Torch ans Twang right now actually.
montag @ 60
HeeHee, that’s just wot I was thinking too when I chose that epithet… /Snark
Millineryman - Torch and Twang! I can listen to that over and over …
and Knut … you are so right.
Siun @ 45
i take it you didn’t include these links to cheer me up! horrible, both items.
NFT@35 and yes, we need to take our forced and obscene contracts for oil with us when we go.
I have to say I am radically partial to pulling out of Iraq now. ;0)
NorskeFlamethrower @
28 says: ” … 125,000-150,000 fully equipped and experienced troops on the ground to control 2 of the three partitions with Turkey takin’ care of the third. The oil fields in the south are already occupied and bunkered…where do ya think those secure military installations are bein’ built?”
One problem here is if Turkey does take care of the third section. I assume you mean the Kurds and I realize that would be the Turkish wish. But given how we’ve already treated the Kurds by refusing to support their uprising after the 1st Gulf War, this would just compound an already unmitigated disaster.
Siun @
54
So let me get this straight. Our policy is to Promote Violence then, by setting one sect the Shia vs Sunni and leave the Kurds to the Turks as we take out Iran’s nukes while oil companies hire blackwater mercs to control the oil fields. This sounds like the book of revealation, but we’re on the wrong side. No wonder those false phrophet fundeMENTAList Preachers are ALL bushies!
We are now dealing with Stage II of Mission Accomplished in Iraq: the peripheral war.
Fighting our way out of the center of Baghdad.
Sorry, Siun, for the OfT —
I just sat through that stupid 60-Minutes attempted takedown of John and Elizabeth. Clearly, TradMed and its allies most fear Edwards as our nominee. What a performance sweet Katie put on — her jutting chin, her tough attitude, her need for so many edits!
Jeez. Here’s my email to CBS:
AP - Prime Minister Tony Blair on Sunday called the Iranian seizure of 15 British sailors and marines “unjustified and wrong,” saying in his first remarks on the escalating confrontation that London saw it as a “very serious situation.”
Every day in every way our country is nothing more than a war machine led by war criminals and fed by the masses who will not face up to this reality and demand it stop.
We are killing and robbing Iraq for oil. I don’t want to buy stolen bloody oil at all, much less twice.
I have no pride for my country, only shame. Any pride I thought I had was just an illusion to begin with. We are no better now than we were in 1965 when I was born. Most of this country consists of souless parasites who are not even cognizant of their host.
Where are all of the people? Why are they so silent?
Another week starts and I will write more letters, make a few calls, and morn for all the good in the world that we simply meet with bombs torture and bullets.
TO THE HAGUE!
TeddySanFran @
73
Nice. I don’t have a problem with the questions really but hiding behind “some people have said” is bogus. Great letter!
TSF - she is so transparent about it, too. In addition to the “some people say” bs, during her bs questions the positive things that some people say were recited in a flat, affectless voice, while the juicy spipes were more lilting, even flirtatious. Bitch. She really ticked me off.
TeddySanFran @ 73
Man, Teddy, say it!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 74
Well, Tony, the time to think about this sort of thing was four years ago, instead of letting Boy George lead you around by the dick….
Does it occur to anyone that Fitz, given the “mediocre” rating, was threatening with firing if he didn’t back off Rove? He backs off Rove and gets to keep his job?
whamo @ 80
Grand jury heard Rove five times. It was up to them to hand down an indictment, not Fitzgerald. I would guess that they would have, if Rove himself hadn’t groveled a good deal.
I don’t think for a moment the Iranians are stupid. The impression here is that, the U.S., the British, the Persians, and the whole of the Middle East knows full well what is going on with this supposed British Navy bungled car smuggling event in the Persian Gulf a couple of days ago.
Siun, I just want to thank you for all that you do here and everywhere.
The war(s) and the suffering must be remembered and our actions exposed, even though our CM and the WH would have it otherwise.
I have such a heavy heart and conscience. I would like to have a reason to feel proud again. I’ve been against all of these wars and yet they go on and on and on.
Thank you and the wonderful people at GorillasGuides,Today in Iraq, etc. How I worry about Riverbend, too.
(did you see the smackdown that an Iraqi woman and Tony Benn gave Bolton on BBC question time? priceless!)
Eureka Springs, AR @ 75
It is about oil. Has been from the start.
Suin-Torch and Twang is great blend of vocals, music and styles. I just love it.
Bravo Teddy.
Angie - we all keep fighting and doing all we can to raise the voices of the Iraqi people. We need to decide who we stand with and I chose that little boy who demands justice.
So as a conclusion i have to say: That it’s shameful enough, and hurtful enough to say, and sad enough yet truthful enough, that for most Americans it actually requires terrorism that kills innocent people, and resistance that kills thousands of Americans and burns billions of American money, to make them demand an end to an occupation, but still basing on their own losses and not because of the feeling of responsibility or guilt over what they did to Iraq, now correct me if i am wrong here, but there is something seriously wrong with this moral equation here.
no shit there’s something wrong here. I am in complete agreement.
There’s definately something very wrong here, Mabel’s Wig Shack, and it ain’t just about Iraq, though that debacle and crime in itself is enormous.
It’s all over the place.
And what of those that have seen their lives obliterated? What of the children who can no longer venture outside their front doors, never mind go to school? The academics who can no longer study or produce works of science; the women who constantly fear rape, abduction or the loss of a loved one; the sick who cannot find treatment; the detained, abused and tortured on mere suspicion or for being at the wrong place at the wrong time; the afraid, the traumatised, the terrorised, the injured, wounded and the disabled?
but Pastor John Hagee and the American faithful were ‘blessed’ by Jesus Christ today with parking spots and jello and tv so what seems to be the problem?
Angie’s and Mabels … it really is shocking how little we even mention Iraqis in our discussions of the occupation except to blame them for not “behaving.” Even in the legislation that gets discussed, so much hinges on “the Iraqis stepping up” as if they were the occupiers …
I cannot imagine what the iraquis have gone through. what a frickin nightmare.
TRex upstairs
Thanks Suzanne!
Period US UK Other Total Avg Days
3-2007 *75 *1 *0 *76 *3.04 25
2-2007 *80 *3 *1 *84 *3 28
1-2007 *83 *3 *0 *86 *2.77 31
The above Iraq/US war death statistics for the past few months.
Notice the miraculous decrease in American troop deaths for March………The surge is working!
-GSD
From Dick Cheney, to James Inhofe, to Tom Delay to Ann Coulter to the generals in Iraq to the Iraqi leaders working with the US.
Delusional is the kindest thing one can say.
Siun @ 90– I try not to hate, but I hate that meme that has become part and parcel of even the dems rationale for their shiny legislation.
I despise it.
More of the same old “blame the victims” trash.
blech.
WE are responsible for the mayhem.
thanks for this post siun.
Stats for Iraqi military and civilian deaths show more unremarkable results:
Period Total
Mar-07 1211
Feb-07 1531
Jan-07 1802
-GSD
GSD @ 94
Does that include the five announced today? Four in Diyala, one in NW Baghdad?
Siun @
86
i’m so sorry to have missed this discussion…
to suin (and all the commenters here) - thank you so much for caring about iraqis, and for not letting their voices be silenced.
.oh. and…. OUT NOW!!!
It is difficult for me to look at this young boy’s face. I see anger. I see pride. I see determination to rid his country of invaders that have destroyed his childhood.
I also see 15-20 years ago, my own sons eyes reflected in his, in that predicament, because I know what I would teach my sons to do to foreign invaders that had come to steal our resources, our country, our dignity.
The Cradle of Civilization, and we have 19 year olds from the streets of Compton, California and Nebraska cornfields telling Iraqis how to “behave” and “set up a government.” Oh yeah, “I support” those high school drop outs and criminals we now scrape up to ship off to illegally occupy a country that did us no harm.
Sheesh.
A suggested plan: Could someone please go back to 2003/2004, and find those speeches Bush gave about “not staying one minute more than necessary to find Saddam, then we leave”, about how “Iraq oil belongs to the Iraqis”?
I think we just need to start playing back their own words to these LIARS and CON MEN at EVERY turn now, and hold them accountable.
How ’bout it? Anyone now how to find those telvise speeches from back then? I’d love to hear that repeated on video for all blog readers to enjoy.
I feel ashamed of my country, ashamed of myself for not doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to make things right in Iraq, as well as can be at this point.
Then, I suggest we clean up our own house.
I truly oppose the Death Penalty. I voted against it (losing side) in an election years ago in California. I always thought, it shjoil;d be up to the convicted to decide if they want to stay in prison for LIFE, NO PAROLE for premeditated murder, or decide to just take a pill and go bye-bye.
But I also remember, as a young child (9?) in Arlington, Va, walking with my buddy John Clouser, who knows how kids get on these subjects, but I DO recall saying to him (ingrained in my upbringing?) that if you kill someone, you go to jail, then then electrocute you.
I am now of the opinion that the crimes of this adminstration are such an anathema to Liberty, that the ONLY WAY America will start to recover from this nightmare, is to give Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rice, Zelikow, Frank, Meyers, Bremer, Abramoff, Gonzales and whoever else the investigation into the High Crimes and Misdemeanors of leading my country into an illegal war of aggression, need to pay the ultimate price. Or forever stay in prison as an example of what happens when you mess with My Constitution, Bitches. Their choice.
Or we won’t heal as a nation. Call me extremist if you must, but there it is.
I suppose now I will be labeled a “enemy combatant” by “The State.”
Well, I make my stand here, now.
I agree with some of the posts here as I do feel I can somewhat understand where some Iraqis are coming from - those that attack military forces that are occupying their country. However my understanding only reaches to those that are attacking occupying forces. My understanding does NOT reach to those that are constantly fighting other Iraqis and especially those who truly are (for lack of a better word) terrorists who only target civilians. It’s hard to see all of this going on as it brings conflicting emotions - I wish for our troops to come back home as soon as possible, but I also strongly feel that we need to clean up the mess that we started (it would be horrible to leave Iraq in a state of chaos). I identify with Iraqi’s who hate to see our troops around because they see us as the occupiers, but I also strongly identify with the troops who have good intentions (as my brother will soon be joining them in Iraq).
It all leads to a very conflicting scenario.
-Ceris
Some videos on life in the “red zone” of Baghdad
aliveinbaghdad
hometownbaghdad
And also for this search of the Heavy metal band in Baghdad in Sept 2006
youtube link
Heard a particularly heartbreaking story on NPR this morning by an Iraqi who works as an NPR interpreter, I believe. 8 young boys were machinegunned to death while they played soccer in a mixed Shia/Sunni neighborhood by unidentified men who then excaped in a car. Maddened by grief and rage and helplessness, neighbor took up arms against neighbor in this place where people of different sects had coexisted peacefully up until the unthinkable happened to their children. There are not words to express this tragedy, which reflects what this president has inflicted on Iraq.
thank you, angie…we need to think about what this has done to the people who live there!!
and you, tsf,for your letter to 60 minutes about katie couric. she is a real sleazebag.
Here’s another Iraqi voice that should be listened to:
http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/