
Yes, Rush Limbaugh is a pig, and nobody was surprised when he started slinging mud at Elizabeth and John Edwards immediately following their announcement that her cancer had returned. It's what he's paid to do. His job is to make fun of Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease -- to interject the unspeakable in to the public discourse that gives the lizard brains irrational rationale to keep on thinking what they want to think. And because he does it on behalf of power, he will pay no price. Someone on the left doing the same thing would be pilloried and banished, but Rush is sanctioned to be an out-of-control id, an omnivorous, self-indulgent glutton whose rapacious apetities can not be satiated.
As Olbermann says, unless decency comes in pill form, it just isn't something Rush is going to manifest.
Jay Carney, on the other hand, is not paid to be a professional pig, he's supposed to appear "reasonable." He obviously took a lot of shit for his patronizing piece on Elizabeth Edwards, and thus decided to revisit it. As did Ana Marie Cox, who also wrote at Swampland:
First of all, this framework presents what might be -- in the eyes of both John and Elizabeth -- a false choice. From all they've told us, the Edwards family sees those duties (as husband, as father, as candidate), as overlapping. Surely, one reason John Edwards is running for president because he wants to be a part of creating a better world for his family. Which brings us to the second problem: The decision to keep the campaign going was not John Edwards' alone to make. (And I find the presumption that it could be startlingly archaic.) John may find himself pulled to simply concentrate on his family, but I think Elizabeth would push back. I think she already has.
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Is that decision selfish, given that the couple has two small children? I can't say -- and I'm not sure if anyone who doesn't know the family can -- but I don't think it's a question with a standard answer. The family already has been through two grueling campaigns, so I think they know what lies ahead in that realm.
It's a very thoughtful piece, and I think she gets to the heart of the matter -- nobody can say what they would do in the Edwards' shoes, because they alone know their situation and what will work best for them. But that doesn't stop Carney from trying:
Everyone will come at this question from his or her own personal perspective. As the parent of two young children, I know I couldn't make the same decision that the Edwards made.
He then drifts off into some rambling justification about how much his kids mean to him, blah blah blah, as if supposedly the Edwards' must stand in stark contrast to his strong feelings of parental responsibility.
(*yawn*)
Okay, here we go. if Jay Carney is a cancer survivor, it's surprising he didn't mention it, so I'm going to assume he's not, and seriously I doubt he or anyone else who has never heard a doctor use the big "c" word can reliably predict how they would respond. I've frankly never heard a cancer survivor who said "yeah, it was pretty much just like I thought it would be." One of the many problems people with cancer face is the quote-unquote "well meaning" concerns of friends who have had an aunt or a sister or a parent who had cancer and thus know all about it and therefore what you should do. And sometimes you have to accommodate those feelings because they are very strong and you realize that your disease strikes others when it strikes you. But in your heart you know that much of this need to "control" stems from issues they haven't faced within themselves that have absolutely nothing to do with you.
As Atrios said:
People who get a serious illness, or become disabled, lose both their agency and their humanity in the eyes of many. They become freaks who have to prove they are human in every interaction, and have to reassert their own agency at every moment.
For some reason the most natural and seemingly healthy impulse - to go on with your life as you had intended to the best of your ability - seems to be the most alien to those not experiencing a tragic illness.
Does Carney know for sure he wouldn't wake up one day and see a look of terror in his kids' eyes, who know something is wrong because Daddy's just lying around the house in his bathrobe, and catch a glimpse of himself in the mirror and realize this thing had beaten him? Does he know for a fact that he would not grab his clothes and rush out the door and -- I don't know -- run for President or something, because right then at that moment what he and his kids needed more than anything in the world was to have them look at him and see a whole, functioning, healthy, vibrant human being with a passion for living? I can't say, but I seriously doubt he can, either.
Carney is a "concern troll" whose issues probably eclipse those of Elizabeth Edwards, and the longing for her to just get off the national stage and out of his line of sight is quite self-serving, and dragging his kids into it -- invoking "other parents" as if this somehow elevates both his sentiments and the discussion -- is pretty repellent.
I hope Carney never finds out what it's like to hear the "c" word, but from experience I can tell you that it's unlike anything you anticipate. One day you might just find yourself throwing up your hands and saying to everyone's surprise -- including your own -- "what I'm doing with my life right now feels irrelevant, the world is in a bad place so I think I'll start a blog."
You never know.
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Jane!
ewww.
HI Jane!
Ready for the game?
Rush Limbaugh is last.
Quick reminder that I’ve posted the transcript of Bill Maher’s remarks about the Plame outing here.
TiredFed @
3
I’m watching the game. Took my walk and got my basketball privileges restored early.
Hey Jane, good to see ya
the word cancer is like hearing a sentence. my brother died from it. my mother-in-law has had two forms (at the same time). not something you ever want to hear. I can imagine it must change your outlook on life.
Hope you took your walk today.
It’s on?? crap, lost track of the time (too much laundry!!!)
You started one; you have done so much else. The future for us begins today. Be well and keep up the good fight not to mention the faith.
Hey, Jane,
Your closing paragraphs gave me a big smile. (I hope they were supposed to.)
Rock on!
My brother-in-law had cancer; my sister’s lfe got a lot tougher - she had to take him to chemo and back, and do a lot more at home than before - but she kept working, partially because she had to, but partially so there was something in her life that wasn’t her husband’s cancer.
Let’s not forget, as well, that the Edwards family has access to the best healthcare, as did my brother-in-law, through his insurance. After my first reaction of prayers for Elizabeth Edwards, my second thought was that it was good that they weren’t among those who didn’t have access to health care. And I don’t think it’s inappropriate for them to say so - it’s a huge issue, and unconscionable that it still is one.
Oh, and I hate to tar pigs by comparing them to Rush. Perhaps a mosquito - annoying, noisy, and disease-spreading?
TiredFed @
8
And later tonight — women’s basketball!
We’re cooking fish for dinner.
I just like watching basketball.
The Edwards are showing some of that fearlessness that gets talked about a lot around here.
Carney is showing fear and that’s why he works for a fear-creation outlet like Time magazine.
and we are SO glad you decide to start a blog! you may have changed the world with this little “distraction.”
In the flap about Elizabeth Edwards’ health, why did no one mention Vice’s? From what is publicly known, his is much worse than hers. So bad, in fact, that John Dean argues in Worse than Watergate that he shouldn’t be Vice, if all were made public.
Oh silly me, He’s an R (everything they do is right) and she’s a d (everything they do is wrong). I forgot for a moment.
Jane Hamsher @ 12
OK, gratuitous exhortation time…Go Bruins!
Hi Jane!
we’re watching Ohio State (wife is from Akron) and Memphis. UCLA on at 7 here. Good women’s game on tonight?
“As the parent of two young children I chose to become addicted to Hillbilly Heroin. Oh man I love it. Hey did I tell you or my two young children about my little ‘vacation’ in the Dominican Republic (nudge nudge wink wink)? Hey, what happens in the Dominican Republic stays in the Dominican Republic!”
Jane, you are an exceptionally beautiful human being. I am quite certain of that.
This blog you have created is as good as it gets. Outstanding!
I always look forward to your posts because they present a perspective and depth of understanding all presented with a style and clarity of writing that is downright awesome.
Love you gal!
I want a bumpersticker that says
‘Pelosi / Edwards ‘07
A Woman’s Place is in the White House’
And Rush and Carney can take long walks off a short dock.
eCAHNomics @
15
I was actually going to do a snarky piece replacing the Cheneys for the Edwards in Carney’s article but it seemed like more effort than the article deserved. But yeah, I agree. And then there is the fact that Cheney actually SHOULD call it quits for the good of the nation, which kind of kills the point.
For some people, that choice would be just as irrelevant.
If you’re Jane Hamsher, though…
(Thanks for making that decision, Jane.)
wish I had known Carol Shea-Porter was going to be on. I’m not a quick thinker. She’s on Armed Services - would have wanted to ask her about AUMF, Walter Reed, and a few other things. Oh well, so glad she was here.
Jane Hamsher @ 22
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with his physical health.
jane - you’ve been blogging up a storm, and i’m loving it. i don’t know how you do it, but somehow your posts almost always inspire me… thank you.
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh can stand himself.
Must take pills to look in the mirror.
Mutant Poodle @
11
The difference between Limbaugh and pigs is that pigs are clean and intelligent.
My sister had cancer and I have no idea what she went through other than what she shared with me as we were (and are) living in different parts of the country. My mother had just about every lung disease except cancer and I know what I observed of what she went through but really can’t know it for myself. I do know that because of her problems and the fact that she smoked and drank, I do neither.
For myself, I had a serious lung disease when I was seven that put me in the hospital for two weeks. I’ve since discovered that if I had been born as little as ten to fifteen years earlier, I most likely would not have made age ten but would just have been another victim of “consumption.” Fortunately, at the time I had no clue just how sick I was, just knew I had a bad cough that freaked the adults out.
Astounding…
Thanks so much for this.
TiredFed @
14
Reminds me of Murtha saying that before she died, his 96 year old great grandmother told him that people are put on this world to make a difference; that he would make a difference. Jane has surely made a difference, and will continue to make a difference. It sort of gives one immortality.
Jane got game.
One day you might just find yourself throwing up your hands and saying to everyone’s surprise — including your own – “what I’m doing with my life right now feels irrelevant, the world is in a bad place so I think I’ll start a blog.”
And really glad you did Jane….
Sometimes, very good things come from a Cancer diagnosis. Mine… (uterine CA) resulted in the adoption of two kids from Korea who 20 yrs later have grown into wonderful adults.
Wow. You move me, and inspire me to action Jane.
Life has a funny way of playing out, and we’re so lucky yours has brought you here.
Swopa @ 23
my feeligs exactly. Well folks, Im off to work. Keep the faith>
I have to say that I was impressed with Tony Snow’s remarks about Elizabeth on the 22nd and yesterday. I wish the best for him, too.
compare and contrast with the character up top, who in fact had Snow sub for him on his radio show when he had his health issues.
Ah. I see NC State v. UCONN. Good game. One of my girls plaved JV ball this year and hopes to play Varsity next year. She plays AAU year-round. Needless to say, we watch a lot of basketball.
Jane, excellent piece.
We’re rooting for Ohio State here [husband], and he graciously will root for UCLA [moi] in the next game. Last night’s loss by USC was a problem for son. Daughter has never gone to a school with a football team [the “fighting” Violets of NYU].
I’m posting so long after reading because I skipped over to read the comments on Carney’s second attempt. Interesting.
As I said earlier in the week, it’s a pity whoop-ass isn’t a cure for stupidity.
OT–here’s a surprise (not), if you live in Manhattan. From rawstory:
Midtown was like Baghdad, without suicide bombers. Militarized vehicles, cops in riot gear, no one on the street. It was the R authoritarianism in full boil. Everything you could see and everything that you couldn’t see.
I would never presume to tell anyone who had cancer how to manage their life.
In fact, I try to never tell ANYONE how to manage their life…unless they ask.
eCAHNomics @
15
And what about the “mental health [sic]” of the Chimp?????
Powerful piece, Jane. We must always remember that but for OxyRush’s mighty spew-mongering about Michael Fox, we might not have won Missouri.
As far as I’m concerned, everytime I see Barbara Boxer and/or Patrick Leahy slam a gavel, I will have that pustulant, bloviating hypocritical drug addict to thank.
That’s some good writing right there.
Thanks, Jane.
Ohio State has a game today?
Don’t laugh–at this moment I know more than my husband does.
I refuse, absolutely refuse, to allow these vicious people to sap one more ounce of emotional energy from my life. I say, hold up a mirror and send it all back at them. Then, shift thinking and action toward making things better for the world. They want people angry, scared, and frustrated for only one reason, and that is to control what we think. Screw them. Tend your garden and love one another.
we need our own TV network, with Keith O. on against the other anchors. we need our own newspaper in every major market. we need radio stations. we need… sigh. we have a lot of work to do.
ok. off to make pizza for me and “the wife.” (haha - dont tell her I called her that, ok?) UCLA comes on in about 5 minutes.
My quick reading put a different vowel in “dock.”
Funny how Rush’s issu4es with back pain and narcotics abuse never seemed to be critical enough to pull himself off the airwaves.
But perhaps he was harkening back to the time when those anal cysts kept him out of his HS football games (oh right, they didn’t- did they) and the US Armed Forces (THAT, they did!).
OT - Mary, over at the Left Coaster has a very interesting article up on Politicizing the Justice System.
snip
Carney’s comments remind me of “Shawshank Redemption”. It seems to me that Carney would rather git busy dyin’. I am sure that is what Carney would want. Laying around in his bath robe. His kids watching him feel sorry for himself. I guess you can’t tell that I think Carney is a complete tool.
Jane, I don’t know what it’s like to sit in a doctor’s office and hear the “C” word. I do believe, though, that you must have always had the determination you’d make the world around you better than you originally found it.
I think this is something to strive for.
I came out of a fundamentalist background. I don’t attend church anymore, but I had those verses drilled into my head. I can’t help but wonder if the kindness and compassion of Elizabeth Edwards’ contacting Tony Snow the other day perhaps heaped a few hot coals on the heads of conservatives who’ve made their filthy lucre smearing Mrs. Edwards and her family.
-S
BTW, walked past UN on way home from errands today and told the Faux News crew that they had spelled their name wrong on the truck. Actually got a friendly grin–perhaps because I was grinning at them and they didn’t immediately catch on.
Hi Jane. When did you and CHS come out from behind your blog name? I know some poor guy is still known as “Mr. Reddhead”, but
my belief in FDL really started when I got to know ya.
Mauimom @ 48
yeah, me too. “duck” heh heh.
As a cancer survivor I know that both my wife and I wanted nothing more that to live life as normally as possible during treatments.
Crawling into a hole is the last thing most cancer patients want to do.
You have to live life, it’s what gives you purpose.
Hopes and prayers to all who fight the good fight and those who support them.
Jane -
I was in the airport in Charlotte, North Carolina when I saw the announcement about Elizabeth Edwards - and immediately thought of you and your bravery and determination.
I’m glad you are being so vocal in support of the Edwards’ decision to go about living their lives. And how nice of Elizabeth to thank you on a previous thread for your support and advocacy.
By the way, where is the hue and cry over Guiliani running for Prez even though he has been treated for prostate cancer? I would think it would be as much of an issue as a man running for president whose wife may yet have a good 10 to 20 years of high quality life ahead of her. Why the double standard? Oh, that’s right, it’s unfair to the Edwards’ children…What a crock.
FYI - I’ll be traveling for the next two months back and forth from east coast to west coast, but would be happy to help out in any way. Please don’t hesitate to let me know…
Brava, Jane. Just stunning.
btw, my girlfriend/future wife and I bought our first Sony Trinitron about 35 years ago to watch the Bruins in one of their championship seasons. Back in the John Wooden years.
LMAO.
Bullseye, as per usual.
OT- Breaking news….
Ledeen says “…Khamenei has taken a turn for the worse—his health is awful…”
Hard to imagine…
dab_from_ct @ 57
Well, now lets be fair to Rudy. He doesn’t have to worry about his children because his children don’t talk to him.
Guiliani solved that one by becoming estranged from his children.
I so agree about no one knowing what they would do, unless they were facing it themselves.
I’ve been on both sides. When I was 11, I had a condition that looked like leukemia. I was even slated for chemo, until a doctor asked one more question, ran one more test. It was scary to hear that I had a disease that was (back then) almost always fatal. Worse, my grandfather was dying of it during that very time. I’d already seen what he was suffering, and that was going to be my fate? Would I get to go to college? Meet someone special and have a family? Even though I was that young, I also wondered, “Oh God, they won’t make a yucky movie like that stupid Love Story thing about me, will they? Oh please, anything but that!”
Speaking of my grandfather, I didn’t get along with him very well before he got leukemia. But, whenever he was in the hospital, it seemed like I was always given “sit with him” duty. He didn’t want to talk or anything. He just laid there. Of course, if he wanted something to drink, or maybe another blanket, I’d do it. Sometimes, he had me read to him. But that was it.
I thought it strange that I was always the person sitting with him, and even weirder that he always asked for me. One day, he finally told me he was sorry for bothering me, I surely wanted to be doing things 11-year-old girls did. I told him it didn’t bother me; I could read in peace and quiet, for a change, rather than my mother nagging me to quit sitting around, get out, do something outside. Then he told me “People don’t understand that, right now, I don’t like all the nagging and fussing and tears and worrying and trying to cheer me up. I just want someone to be here. They don’t have to say anything. Just be here. That’s enough.”
I was young, but I understood what he was saying: Everybody else was too busy trying to tell him what he needed, rather than listening to what he had to say about it. Hell, they hadn’t even asked. I know they were all trying to be helpful, but they were driving him crazy (I understood the sentiment).
Anyway, sometimes, you have to shut up, turn off the control freak in all of us, set aside the old ego trying to “save the day,” and listen to what the other person needs. And then you have to support them in it. It ain’t easy. I had reservations about attending a costume party while my brother was in chemo. But he wanted to go. If it made him feel better (which it did), why not?
It’s the same thing with the Edwards family. I can’t say what is best for them. I wouldn’t presume to do such a thing. Only they know the best path for them to follow.
I would think that facing a diagnosis of cancer, I would want to live as fully and as purposefully as possible. Trying to help her husband win the nomination for President may be just the right prescription for Elizabeth Edwards health.
As someone whose wife has spent two week long spells in the cardiac ICU over the last five years (two sets of stents, doing very well thank you), I can say Carney is missing the most important piece of the puzzle.
He doesn’t realize that he couldn’t decide anything by himself. Just as my wife and I did when we made the decision to adopt after her first heart attack, the decision is made together, and the person who hasn’t been ill is completely tuned into the wants and needs of the person who has been sick. That is the sense I got from the announcement made by both John and Elizabeth. You know it wasn’t John making the decision on his own. Based on my experience, that would simply be impossible.
By contrast, look at these two revealing statements by Carney:
In the first quotation, he acts as if he would simply make the decision himself, as if his “I” would make the decision (compared to the Edwards making the decision together). If Carney’s wife is dead or they are divorced, this makes sense. Is she?
The second quotation is more bizarre. First, the implicit moral judgment is just faulty. It implies terminally ill people shouldn’t travel away from their children, but my reading is that his logic applies to elderly people just as well. By contrast, young and healthy parents — send your kids to boarding school, drive in NASCAR without a seatblet, play Russian Roulette all you want. The whole airplane metaphor indicates he’s not clear about what he’s trying to say. Being sick doesn’t increase the odds of the plane crashing — so why even bring it in to the discussion?
But what really is weird is how he puts himself in Elizabeth’s position. He is actually criticizing Elizabeth’s continued participation in the campaign, not John’s decision to keep campaigning. He’s just morally confused.
Carney knows not the first thing about what he is talking about. He’s just dug himself in deeper, and frankly I find his brand of holier-than-thou pomposity insulting. Give a guy a soapbox and he thinks he is the authority on everything. This is a great counterexample.
Considering what you’ve accomplished with this blog, I find this an amazingly powerful and inspiring remark. Brought tears to my eyes.
Jane, you have done so much good. Rock on.
Jane, this is one of the best posts you’ve ever written, and you set the bar high quite a long time ago. Thank you.
Enjoy your hoops and fish. And go Tar Heels!
Jane, you have done so much good. Rock on.
Amen.
Yes, but we’ve all been given a sentence. It’s called life. So we all might as well live while we’re alive.
Scarecrow @ 58
FWIW, Wooden’s last NCAA championship game, 1975, against Joe B. Hall and Kentucky, is imho a great example of what basketball can be. It was pre-shot clock, pre-three point basket, fast break basketball. OT, if you watch it, you’ll immediately see how much weightlifting has changed the game.
Illustrating how fickle they can be, UCLA fans had booed Wooden his final year at Pauley Pavillion. Wooden won ten national championships. I do not think anyone else has more than four. Bobby Knight and Mike Krzyzewski each have three. Dean Smith has two.
Hi Jane,
I’ve never posted here before, or thanked you for being who you are, or thanked you for doing what you do.
This seemed like the right time. The world is better for you being in it. And far better because you took your personal crisis as an opportunity to make the world a better place.
You have.
punaise @
32
Jane’s gonna kick C’s booty. In fact, in just about any fight I can thnk of, my money’s on Ms Hamsher. BTW, my mother just got diagnosed with cancer, and the first thing she did on finding out is hop a plane to Venice with her new boyfriend. (She’s 80) If she tells me on her return that she wants to run for Congress, I’ll say you go gal!
John Casper — I agree - it was thrilling to watch. Check on The Wooden Championships at this site.
Here’s what I wrote to that idiot Jay yesterday (with which I am happy to see Jane agrees):
Jay:
You picked out the absolute worst comment to quote in your post. I read that comment earlier someplace (maybe here, I guess) and thought it was the stupidest thing I ever read.
What if your wife has just died, but one child is having an epileptic seizure, another child is about to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, and there is an anthrax scare in the neighborhood school? Do you just cower in the corner because your wife has just died. Do you abdicate all responsibilities?
What a coward! A selfish whimpering coward!
Certainly not fit to be President - or even, more importantly, a parent!
And if you know you’re going to die in two years, do you not want to try to achieve something that has some meaning - to you personally?
What could have more meaning that trying to get this country back on track? To know your spouse is the best medicine for an ailing country and to fight proudly for him - and for your country -until you can fight no longer. To set an example for your children to fight for what’s right, as long and as hard as you can.
I’m 62 years old - and I’m sick of the shrinking violets around me. Pathetic.
[I pity Jay Carney’s kids!]
Bravo, Ms. Hamsher. In terms of brains, heart, wit, and enlightenment, you might have written the best blog post I’ve read to date — anywhere. It cuts deep, in a lot of directions at once.
John Casper @ 58:
See you’re a college hoops from way back too. ACC background here. I’ve always sworn ACC kids were weaned on college hoops. Vic Bubas. Bones McKinney. Many years later, living in Brooklyn, I “watched” the second half of the game where NC State beat Houston for the NCAA championship over the phone with my dad.
Helen @
61
I was living in CT and working in manhattan when Rudy had his prostate treatment. It gave him a good excuse to drop out of the senate race as Hilliary was about to clean the floor with him…IM(not so)HO
david baerwald @ 72
Carney’s? that’s how I first read it.
wise move.
I like you mom.
This story of Robert Louis Stevenson comes to mind when I think of the extraordinary people, such as the Edwards, as they work for the good of all, even the cowards such as Limbaugh.
Stevenson grew up in Scotland around the turn of the century. His family lived outside a small town, and each evening he would look down upon the town and watch the lamplighter light each of the town’s street lamps. And he would say, “Look, mother, there is a man who punches holes in the darkness.”
This is how I feel about all of you doing yeoman’s work to bring us the light. And those who do this in spite of an illness are the bravest of us all. Thank you, Jane, for this diary. Take good care.
Basketball is the one where you throw the ball at the batter after the huddle, right?
And Adolf (Well named that) Rupp is the one who won 4 championships.
oooooh, Jane, you truly are the Lady of the Lake. Bless ya.
punaise @ 78
I like you mom.
I agree. And Punaise, how do you do that? Take things apart and insert your own words. If you have time and inclination, we could go to the last thread.
Jane, just joined to read your amazing post.
Do you have any idea how good you are — as a writer, as an analyst, as a human being? (Don’t answer that. The rest of the FDL community already knows.)
People react in different ways, and cope in different ways. And it’s nobody’s damn business how they do.
My dear wife has never stopped, not for one minute, since her breast cancer diagnosis 11 years ago. We flew around and obtained diagnoses and treatment suggestions from doctors in 4 countries (which were all consistent, except for one director of a cancer institute in Italy, who was out of date in one respect), and then selected the best possible treatment plan (which included research into the most up-to-date medical journals).
Then she got on with her life — teaching, advocating in her profession, flying hither and yon.
Her daughter flew to the US for her Mom’s surgery and saw not a moping sorry-for-herself mother, but a lady in firm control of her life. And daughter has seen that same action and activism for the past 11 years (not to mention the 50 or more countries Mom has visited during that time).
Life is too short to spend in bed or in regret.
The relationship with the Big C is an intensely personal one.
And it’s nobody else’s damned business how the person and her spouse choose to live their lives AC, just as it wasn’t BC.
John Casper @ 70
I was a student at UCLA for Wooden’s final year. I attended every home game. I don’t recall anyone ever booing John Wooden.
Helen @ 61
and
eCAHNomics @ 62
Yes - pathetically true.
In contrast Elizabeth is being “selfish” for living life to its fullest? I wonder who’s the better role model, as a parent?
What a ridiculous double standard.
I had twin great uncles who both died of Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
The first died at age 8.
The second died at age 88.
It’s a total and complete crapshoot as to why Uncle Johann went as he did, and Uncle Ohni went as he did, eighty years later.
Life is what happened in-between, during those eighty years, and boy howdy, did Ohni LIVE.
Figuratively, we’re all Johann and Ohni. LIVE, dammit.
John Casper @
70
Yeah, all because Philip Bond (I believe it was) missed his first free throws all year in the semi final game, allowing UCLA to escape Louisville. As a native Kentuckian, I watched in my favorite college bar in Bowling Green as all our dreams of a UK-UL champsionship disappeared. Total bummer!
Well, it looks like the Repub’s talking point is that the Dems are ignoring important issues the country is facing and instead focused on partisan distractions, like the US Atty forced resignations. That was Mona Charen, on CNN tonight, and Mr. I hate immigrants picked up on it. The Dem strategist was an idiot and did not push back. Here’s Bush version from his radio talk today:
They never let up. But the Janes are beating them.
Terry Olson @ 83
it all has to do with the placement of blockquote pairs. I’ll drop back to the prvious thread to elaborate in my non-techie way.
You know what, Jane?
That’s pretty much why John and Elizabeth got into politics.
You know about their son Wade, who died in a car accident in 1996? That’s what caused John and Elizabeth to think “What we’re doing with our lives right now feels irrelevant, the world is in a bad place so we think we’ll get into politics to see if we can fix all that.”
For Elizabeth to let John quit now would be to turn their backs on that decision.
A relative of mine died of breast cancer not long ago. She was married, with a pre-school son. When her husband heard the “C” word, he pulled a Gingrich; he couldn’t handle “her” problems, so he found a companion without them. Both continued to work in the same hospital.
My relative stayed at her hospital work for over two years, while single parenting. When she finally succumbed, she was dictating her own symptoms for her research colleagues to carry on with.
The Edwards made a brave choice, consistent with their lives rather than their politics. I think that’s what most frightens the Limbaughs and Bushes. It’s something they would never dream of doing, and wouldn’t know how if they did.
Good post Jane. I’m de-lurking during a commercial in the Bruins v. Jaywaks (23-29) game to give a shout out to people living with cancer. Beat it. We’re all puling for you; Elizabeth Edwards, our Jane, my friend from college living with complications from treatment for Leukemia.
Coolio
Scarecrow @ 89
Bush invokes the people’s business only when he wants to. 70% of those people want him to get out of Iraq. Where’s the people’s business there?
It must be really hideous to live one’s life and only be able to see and expect the most perverse and rotten traits people can possess. Anyone who has ever been loved or cared about doesn’t do that.
With cancer or any other life threatening illness,the disease belongs to the patient,no one else. They have to do what works best for them. And I would think that having a life full of joy and activity,treasuring every day as a gift would be a great choice most folks would take.
I’d want my kids to look back on my life and smile at what I did to be with them,as a vital,upbeat mom. Wouldn’t that be the best gift of all? To not become the disease or let it beat you down?
Rush isn’t just made uncomfortable by sick people,he’s scared shitless of them. I wonder,if Rush had cancer,would he have anyone there for him? Where is his devoted spouse of 30 yrs,his children,his family,his well wishers? At night,right before he falls asleep,when sleep comes,he’s the same scared little boy he’s been his whole life.
I’d almost feel sorry for him,but then I remember that he does what he does by choice. If he gave it all up tommorrow,he’s got plenty of money to live off of. So he doesn’t do it for the money,not anymore. It’s a concious choice on his part every day to be an evil shit. I don’t have much respect for that.
dakine01 @ 77
Uh-huh. And the beauty of that, IIRC, is that he didn’t cough up ANY of the $20-plus-million campaign kitty he’d raised for that race. Rick Lazio had to start from scratch.
Scarecrow @
88
Congress is gonna do the peoples business. Taking back this country from jackasses like Chimpy McFlightsuit, Abu Gonzales and Shooter.
Jane, I come from a “cancer family” starting with our young great-grandfather in 1902 and on to too many relatives to list. Thank you for the beautiful views you give into a room I may, myself, someday have to occupy.
global yokel @
64
You heard Elizabeth at the end of her comment, right? This election is too damn important to quit now. Sorry to turn it into HRC bashing, but Elizabeth Edwards shows leadership, HRC doesn’t.
Badwater, I wasn’t there. I have heard the anecdote from at least one college coach. Here’s a quote from Wooden. He doesn’t appear to have overly fond memories of all the UCLA alumni:
Bold is mine.
Six months ago, there was only a possibility of taking the House, but then the Dems got 232 seats. They needed every one of them to get the 218-212 vote Friday to put an end date into the supplemental appropriation bill.
Polls now say that a growing majority of the country wants out of Iraq — but somehow, Bush wants to ignore that, implying that yesterday’s vote isn’t the people’s business. He’s dead wrong. Everything Nancy Pelosi has done since November has been the people’s business.
And blogs like this one, with Howie et al, are a big reason for the turn around.
Scarecrow @ 101
I’ll admit to blasting Nancy for inaction on some essential items, and for presiding over dropping the Iran clause from the supplemental…
But she can sure count.
Tonight at 9 the Connecticut women’s team plays NC State. NC State is coached by Kay Yow who had a recurrance of cancer from 20 years ago. There is a nice piece about it that is running on the ESPN station carrying the women’s games today. Talk about going on - she missed about 16 games. The team wasn’t doing well without her. Since her return they beat #1 Duke and won 12 of 14 games. I’ll surely be watching and rooting for her and her team tonight.
On a related note, the irrepressible James Wolcott draws our attention to the Great White Jonah Whale:
selise @ 26
Hey Selise. How are you?
I’ve been so busy the past few weeks I can only tune in for a short time every evening to read the various posts at FDL (to find out what is going on in the world) but unfortunately not enough time to read the comments.
I have been thrilled to see the many vintage Jane “take no prisoners” pieces. Just amazing honesty & insight presented to us in beautifully written prose. It reminds me of the old times.
anangryoldbroad @ 95
Wow. You know, between the lines of your comment and Jane’s post is the difference.
You see, Limbaugh looks at everything in his life through this very narrow lens, the same one that so many so-called conservatives use: what’s in it for me? They call it Randian philosophy, or “enlightened self-interest”, but it’s still all about them. Carney’s commentary, as MarkC (65) points out, is all about “I”, me, mine, as if nobody else entered into the equation. More “enlightened self-interest.” They see the world as either giving or taking from them personally; if Elizabeth Edwards decides to live large and fight, it must be taking from somebody and probably them, too.
But the difference is that the Edwards family made the decision to continue to run for office because they could make a positive difference in the lives of others. Jane decides to kick ass and take names in her blog because the world needs help getting out of its bad place. The Edwards family, Jane Hamsher, they don’t see it as an option to worry and fret over themselves; they worry about all of us, and they f*cking DO something positive about it.
You know, right now, the only candidate other than Gore (should he announce) that I can support is Edwards. He’s the only one of them that has actively gone to the Gulf and tried to help that region; he didn’t act in “enlightened self-interest”. He acted selflessly (as did Gore in the wake of the hurricane).
That’s the difference.
I will continue to hold my party, the Democrat’s feet to the fire. I want out of Iraq now. No further unprovoked attacks by my country on other countries. And a fair settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That is; a homeland for the Palestinians. There is absolutely no wiggle room, Dems.
Howard Zinn says:
When a social movement adopts the compromises of legislators, it has forgotten its role, which is to push and challenge the politicians, not to fall in meekly behind them.
Hugh at 4:40, yeah, I blanked on the Baron, Adolph Rupp. He won all four with all white teams. He said African Americans were too dumb to play for him. It was no surprise to me when a former player of his, Dan Issel, lost his job coaching the Denver Nuggets, because he called a fan a “sp*c.” Rupp was a great basketball mind and an unapologetic white supremacist. It still bothers me that UK has his name on their court.
After my first mastectomy, I noticed that people were treating me different — and their eyes would drift downward every so sneakily to see how I had changed.
Finally I had a big button made and pinned it on the spot where there used to be a boob. It said, “It was this side.”
That broke some ice and eventually things got back to normal.
John Casper @ 99
As students, not yet alumni, we certainly did boo lots of opponents. Booing Notre Dame’s Digger Phelps, however, was frustrating because he actually like it and would play to the crowd.
I’m just amazed that Rushie hasn’t come out and accused John Edwards of beating Elizabeth. The way his mind works, I bet he figures that’s how she got the sore rib that lead to the discovery of the cancer. Or has he and I just haven’t heard about it yet?
It sickens me when I think of all the money this country has sunk in that giant sand trap called Iraq…and for nothing. Think of all the good that could have been done. Research into cancer and heart disease that could lead to cures. The development of alternative energy to make us energy independent. The list goes on and on.
just getting ready for the weekend myself, here’s what I’m going to get off to waxman among other congressman;
both quotes referenced from think progress
The AP reports:
Gonzales approved plans to fire several U.S. attorneys in a November meeting. …
The Nov. 27 meeting, in which the attorney general and at least five top Justice Department officials participated, focused on a five-step plan for carrying out the firings of the prosecutors, Justice Department officials said late Friday.
There, Gonzales signed off on the plan, which was crafted by his chief of staff, Kyle Sampson. Sampson resigned last week in the wake of the political firestorm surrounding the firings.
UPDATE II: On March 12, Gonzales denied any involvement in the prosecutor purge:
I was not involved in seeing any memos, was not involved in any discussions about what was going on … That’s basically what I knew as attorney general.
UPDATE III: New documents released tonight, “including Gonzales’s appointment calendar, show that the attorney general and his deputy, Paul McNulty, participated in an hour-long meeting about the firings on Nov. 27. Seven of the eight prosecutors were let go on Dec. 7.” The meeting occurred during the 18-day gap in documents the Justice Department had previously released.
combined with this today
there is no way to parse these statements, they are clear, depraved, unadulterated, contemtuous, bold, in your face, up your butt, lies
(are there any other descriptive expressions for lies?…let me know)
waxman needs to use this data to say as follows;
[prefaced by the perennial IANAL]
“we are inviting the attorney general to appear within these halls of congress, without restraint in any form before this body to answer questions and bring us to terms with what appears to be deliberate lies and deliberate obstruction of justice.
if he refuses this generous offer from congress in performing our sworn oath to this body of legislation, we will be left with no choice but to refer this man to hearings of impeachment to begin 24 hours from the time of our next hearings which are scheduled for tomorrow.
he will be tried for impeachment in absentia until the time he appears, and if he does so appear willingly, he will take sworn oath, in public and on the record, and he will answer ALL question involving this and other issues that are of concern to our national security, our justice system and our law.
if said questions are felt of a classified nature by the attorney general, this body will hear testimony behind secure doors where WE, the body of congress will determine the extent of secret (on the record) testimony will take place.”
(he is welcome to edit and plaguerize my work if he likes)
this isn’t quite the image I went in search of for a Carney illustration.
Jane, I just wanted to say thank you SO much. I cannot tell you how sickened I was by Jay Carney’s article and his nauseating, self-justifying, a**holeish follow-up.
You always articulate beautifully what I, and thousands of others, feel. Your posts detail our frustrations with the perfidy and incompetence of the current administration, and our incredulousness with the weakness and compliance of the media. Bless you for what you do, and how strong you are. Thank you, thank you.
I am in awe of Elizabeth Edwards - I so admire her strength and, for lack of a better word, her humanity. I honestly can’t think of a better role model as “first woman” of America.
As for you, Jane, all I can say is I’m incredibly grateful for your decision to start a blog, though I’m sorry that cancer was part of the impetus for it. Your ability to do so much just after your surgery is nothing less than Herculean.
It makes perfect sense to me that Elizabeth’s diagnosis would make her even more committed to using her life to work for what matters most to her, making our country a better place for her children and for all of us. She speaks so poingnantly of all the people with cancer who don’t have the advantages she has.
I’m so grateful that she is willing to be out there in public as an example to all of us of a life well lived as it’s being lived to its fullest.
Only one quibble, Jane, with an otherwise kick-ass post.
Limbaugh wouldn’t take decency if it came in pill form; look at the guy, diets come in pill form and he’s still, um, zaftig.
Limbaugh would only take decency if it gave him a hard on so he could screw underage prostitutes in third-world countries. But we all know that’s not decency.
Seineman @ 110
It’s funny you mentioned that– did I hear John Edwards say jokingly that he had hit her, at their press conference? I thought I heard him say, when she was talking about the pain in her ribs, something like “Actually I hit her.” I hope I’m wrong.
Propagandee @
104
Mr. Goldberg could pretend to be Attorney General. His imitation of the nation’s top advocate for civil rights and criminal justice could impress a four-year old. His imitation of a journalist might be equally convincing.
Just tuned in and have only read your post, Jane.
I am in more tears than I ever have been before while at the Lake. Maybe it’s because I can’t change the world and study at the same time for much longer. Maybe it’s because I have to go back for an ultrasound after my mammogram and I too am scared.
But you have to live. You have to try to do what you can while you can.
Thanks so much for not just changing the world, but for showing us all why you and we have to do it to be fully human.
You have an excellent memory.
It’s an old New York trick that Al McGuire used as well (both were New Yorkers). On the road they would incite the crowd against them to get their attention off their players and the referees. They coached in a completely different way at home.
OT, I love Wooden. He treated his players with a modicum of respect that Knight and most other coaches do not. There’s a great clip of him yelling at Walton, “gracious sakes alive Bill, don’t throw the outlet pass to the center of the court.” Knight would have called the kid a goddamned, motherf*cking, c*cks*cking pussy about fifteen times to get the same point across.
punaise @
113
Probably not this one either.
I have not concluded which is more distasteful to me. A Republican or a wishy-washy Democrat.
I’m a lung cancer victim, and, with those credentials, don’t feel too bad for wistfully hoping that a similar experience might inconvenience Mr. Limbaugh for a while. I can’t imagine, though, that his syphilitic corpulence would be an attractive host for any pestilence with even a modicum of self-respect.
I mean, Christ, he could gag a maggot.
Seineman– while I agree that the invasion and occupation of Iraq is completely wrong, um that “giant sand trap” is home to millions and is the cradle of civilization. ;(
Jen has posted an update on Steve Gilliard– sadly, he still suffers mightily.
http://www.thenewsblog.net/
Oh and Jane thank you for being you, for this post and for this wonderful forum that is a place to learn, share and engage while organizing a powerful movement to actually fix this world while making our country and her people live up to our potential for good.
Hey Maura!
I quit reading about half way through the thread. Jay Carney is an asshole. He’ll never be anything but, unless it would be a 14 carat beltway whore.
This is the guy that thought there was nothing to the USA firings.
Don’t know if anyone aside from myself is a Peggy Lee fan. But PBS is doing a thingy on this very talented woman at 8:00pm central, tonight. FYI only.
angie @ 124
you know, before the war we were warning all that Iraq would turn into the next vietnam
we were laughed at and told a thousand differant ways why Iraq wouldn’t become a “quagmire” (I’ve come to hate the word I have to say)
anyway, we need to gather those “vietnam” warnings and parse them with the “don’t be rediculous” assurances
we need to embarrass the cheerleaders of this war every which way we can
that Carney ass oughta STFU.
I guess that the heavy lifting is going on over at TPM Muckraker and Daily Kos (click on links for some cool stuff). I thought I’d share this from the former:
From the McClatchy article last night:
McClatchy’s article draws this stark conclusion:
angie @ 124:
Thanks for letting us know about the Steve Gilliard update. So glad his mom is bringing in a patient advocate. Prayers and best wishes to Steve.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 126
better put on some Black Coffee
Celtic Music @ 130
Seconded.
So why isn’t Humpty Dumpty attacking Tony Snow?
John Casper @ 120
That’s quite true. I watched a few practices and, even there, Coach Wooden never raised his voice or lost his composure. You could tell that his players truly wanted to please him
Joe D. @ 125
Big mistake, JoeD. Read the closing paragraph.
Maybe this sort of un-Christian crap is the reason why the right got their sorry asses kicked in the last election.
The American people simply aren’t that nasty. It may take them a while, but they’ll eventually come around to an understanding of who shares their point of view and repudiate anyone doesn’t.
Goodbye Archie Bunker, and goodbye Rush. The former is a fait accompli; the latter is just a matter of time.
Right on Jane!
dab_from_ct @ 104
howdy dab! (waving madly)
Jane, you are a true inspiration to so many people for so many reasons!
You are a wonderful human being, Jane Hamsher. Thank you.
John Casper @ 108
If I may, Rupp Arena is NOT a campus facility but is in downtown and has a separate management. Just to set the record staright.
Adolph was a pig and probably racist, but there’s also evidence presented that he wasn’t quite as bad as he’s made out to be. Running of Bear Bryant didn’t help things either. Of course, he wasn’t helped by his first black recruit (Tom Payne) who left after one varsity year and wound up going to prison for rape.
perris @ 112
On March 14, 2007, principal associate deputy attorney general William Moschella insisted that he pursued changes in the Patriot Act — that allowed the President to unilaterally install U.S. attorneys — “on his own, without the knowledge or coordination of his superiors at the Justice Department or anyone at the White House.” But as TPMmuckraker notes, new e-mails “suggest that he discussed the need for proposed changes with other Justice Department officials on Nov. 11, 2005, around the time when the bill was being drawn up.”
ouch.
Re: #126
I so admire people Like this. Sadly, Ms. Lee passed away as a result of diabetes after many, many years of poor health. And Bush does not support stem-cell research.
Lee was born Norma Deloris Egstrom in Jamestown, North Dakota, the youngest child of seven. After her mother died, her father remarried and her stepmother was very cruel to her. She took solace in the music she heard on the radio. She first sang professionally with KOVC radio in Valley City, North Dakota. She soon landed her own series on a radio show sponsored by a local restaurant that paid her “salary” in food. Both during and after her high school years, she took whatever jobs she could find, waitressing and singing for paltry sums on other local stations. The program director of WDAY in Fargo (the most widely listened to station in North Dakota) changed her name from Norma to Peggy Lee. Tiring of the abuse from her stepmother, she left home and traveled to Los Angeles at the age of seventeen.
These guys can’t fall on their swords fast enough.
More on Rove’s use of US Attorneys to suppress Democratic votes in the 2008 elections. McClatchy’s article, New U.S. attorneys seem to have partisan records, includes this:
This is behind the US Attorney firings.
They are lining things up for the 2008 election.
Way late to the thread (work!), and probably close to EPU-land.
Carney is a joke.
But Jane, on the other hand - you totally rock!
FYI, I saw somewhere today that John and Elizabeth Edwards will be on 60 Minutes tomorrow night. Won’t swear to it, as it wasn’t a TV programming source.
RBG @
121
You two funny. Thanks again.
Best wishes to Alison…
News Grinder - you rock too. I imagine the cancer cells in your body said “shit, we made a wrong turn. Let’s get the hell out of here.”
Alison @ 119: You’ll be okay. No matter what.
{{{{{{Alison}}}}}}}
Jane?….what is the point in amplifying this mans every word? The guy is never going to change or stop. The folks that listen to him are never going to change or stop. What is the point in expressing outrage at this mans intentionally outrageous remarks?
Look lets suggest that you are a New York Yankees fan and became one because they were winning. You then find a sports station on the AM radio that never announces a Yankees failure. If they lose it is because the ref’s were biased or the other guys cheated. If the Yankees lose 16 to 0 it was ‘their best game ever’ and the ’score does not reflect the game’ or whatever. You never, on that station, have to confront the fact that you sacred Yankees lost. That they were beaten or bested. Limbaugh, FOX, The Washington Times and the Wall Street Journal OP Ed’s..they are that station and the folks that go there are never going to change. They are afraid to.
Limbaugh is not listened to by the vast majority of the American people…unless your re-transmission of his garbage gets to them. I only get Limbaugh’s message from his critics..aint that sad?
Frank Rich (Times Select) has a devastating column on Gonzales. Here’s a sample:
Carney is part of the (crashing) wave of mediocre pundits who do no real research, have no original thoughts, and care primarily about serving power in order to maintain a plush lifestyle. All that hand-wringing about what *he* would do - after his “discomfiture,” no doubt. Honestly, I don’t believe he’ll get your argument, unfortunately. Anything that threatens the complacency of people like Carney is quickly deflected. He’ll simply keep stretching to find some way to repeat the same “concern” for the Edwardses, reiterate his “discomfiture” (poor thing), and let us know how very differently he would react in the face of the “sad news.” Pig.
I glanced at Limbaugh’s website and the gist of his remarks was this: “I suggested in passing on the radio that the Edwards’ campaign was being jumpstarted with this little press conference—and now everyone is attacking me. I told you this would happen. Now I am a victim. No—now I am THE victim.”
I think it is too charitable to say Mr. Limbaugh is paid to be the caricature of Republican civility.
We all know someone with cancer and we all know what it can do. We all know it is met in different ways. I think we also know that the Edwards—who have been together longer than the serial Giuliani’s and serial Gingrich’s—have worked through tragedies before, and know perfectly well second guessing by rank amateurs doesn’t deserve their attention when there are more important things to attend to.
dakine01 at 5:35 pm
Thanks, I didn’t know that about Rupp Arena.
I’m very interested in what you meant by Rupp “running Bear Bryant.” I know the Bear coached at KY, I didn’t know they had a falling out.
Both men represented/profited from the fan bases that they represented at the time, mostly segregationists. Dean Smith had the first African American player in the ACC, Charlie Scott, which is one reason I think he is remembered so fondly. Nobody in the 60’s and 70’s (except for Texas Western) was playing five African Americans at the same time. The old rule was “two at a time at home, three at a time on the road.”
Branch Rickey and MLB integrated in 1947.
According to wiki, Tom Payne’s problem with rapes began after he left KY. I’m not an expert, but as far as I know, Payne was also Rupp’s only African American recruit.
Jane,
You make me proud to be a human being.
Thank you.
IMHO, one aspect is that it’s about restoring a modicum of civility, and reality to political discourse. Nobody at FDL takes Rush seriously, but a lot of moderates and conservatives listen to him. He and Coulter set the margin on the right. The further to the right they set it, the further other Republicans can go to the right, but be seen as more “moderate” than Rush. That pulls a lot of Dems to the right too. We can spotlight posts like this to the traditional media and hopefully marginalize Rush more than he already is.
Back here at comment 121 I put together a little analysis of the work on the disproportionate prosecution of Democrats done by Shields and Cragen. I noted:
But it has been bothering me that I had to factor out MI. That seemed just odd. So I finally woke up and asked how many USA’s are in Michigan. Well, there are two, East and West. It turns out, only two of the eighteen cases in MI were handled by the Western MI office, the remaining sixteen were handled by the Eastern office. So guess who ran the Western office. Surprise: None other than the former USA Margaret Chiara. Her democrat hit rate was actually very low, roughly half of the national average. (Her district had a population of roughly 3 million). This just reinforces the point that the fired USA’s did have a productivity issue and that the metric was: cases involving democrats.
I’m still goin’ with Republican(s) but I agree, it can be a toss-up.
Prof @ 145
Today’s Republicans are master’s of projection, deception, misdirection, obsufacation, and dereliction. They will not change until many in this cult are incarcerated to either state/federal pententiaries or asylums for extended periods of time.
During the past Presidential election it seemed to me and continues to do so that Elizabeth Edwards was a woman who has the charisma to lead a nation, more so than her husband, more so than Hillary Clinton. I felt that Michael Dukakis showed his colors when he continued to run despite his wife’s illness, but Elizabeth Edwards is a different kettle of fish. I only wish someone like her, smart, down to earth, tangibly real, would wind up with the nomination.
Thanks for that Scarecrow @ 153– I was only able to read the available snippets at Raw Story.
Richard, I think it’s important to expose the trash being spewed by the likes of Limbaugh.
It’s also the reason I listen to the preznit and others when they speak.
It’s not pleasant, but there is nothing worse than ignorance and if these fools control even 30% of our country, we need to be informed. I also believe that some people will change when they realize the enormity of the lies and spin that have held them enthralled and imprisoned.
I also very much appreciate the neverending and bright sunlight emanating from this blog.
Celtic Music!
I grew up on Tobaccy Road. Dating self: I remember When Reynolds Coloseum was built; Couch Everett Case; Bucky Waters; Ron Shavilick (sp?) Billy Packer. Raleigh was a very small town back then. When I was in grade school, I used to walk to Reynolds to watch the Wolfpack practice and shag balls for free throw practice. The world has moved on and nobody would let a ten yr old boy do this quite alone.
Thanks for the nostalgia
Pet Celtic Music’s comment above
Vic Bubas
Bones McKinney
New thread: Eli
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Hey Eli!
RealWorld @ 159
But it has been bothering me that I had to factor out MI. That seemed just odd. So I finally woke up and asked how many USA’s are in Michigan. Well, there are two, East and West. It turns out, only two of the eighteen cases in MI were handled by the Western MI office, the remaining sixteen were handled by the Eastern office. So guess who ran the Western office. Surprise: None other than the former USA Margaret Chiara. Her democrat hit rate was actually very low, roughly half of the national average. (Her district had a population of roughly 3 million). This just reinforces the point that the fired USA’s did have a productivity issue and that the metric was: cases involving democrats.
The case in Michigan is an echo of Western Washington where John McKay was fired for not pursuing alleged a voter fraud case in the Washington gubenatorial race that was won by the Dems. Wash. Republicans where livid that the office slipped from their hands and someone had to pay for the loss. In Michigan, the Republican candidate for Governor, Dick DeVos (think Amway)from W. Mich. and an extreme rightwing fundamentalist was soundly defeated by the incumbent Dem. Jennifer Granholm. IMO the state party was livid and embarrassed. Someone had to pay for that one as well.
Jane, you go right on making those @sshats uncomfortable!!! And Mrs. Edwards too!!!
There was a comment board about the Edwards’ decision to stay in the campaign up at our local paper’s website. People were wringing their hands that John was exploiting Elizabeth’s health, and that she basically was just being stoic for him. I remarked that the fact that Elizabeth was refusing to wither away, out of the public eye, was obviously making them uncomfortable - how dare she! Trolls.
John Casper @
156
Payne was Rupp’s only black signee. I think he had some prolems with the law before he left UK but not real sure what they were. Rupp had half-heartedly attempted to recruit some of the KY natives such as Wes Unseld, Butch Beard, Clem Haskins, and Jim McDaniels but they all went to UL or WKU. Both Ed Diddle at WKU and John Dromo at Louisville were recruiting and playing blacks at least ten years before Rupp.
As an aside, the WKU team with Clem, Greg Smith (played for the Bucks with Alcindor/Jabbar), and Greg’s brother Dwight (died in car accident) lost to Cazzie Russell and Michigan on a disputed play before Michigan lost to UK. Most folks in Bowling Green swear that the WKU team which had at least three black starters would have beaten UK and then been the team to play Texas Western
Rupp and Bear were both alpha dog types and Rupp was more entrenched so Bear split to Texas A&M.
Prof @ 83
Nice, if your economic situation permits. For many of us here (and millions not here) the possibilities are very, very limited. If I get a CA Dx–at my age an ever-increasing possibility–being divorced and paying for my own supplemental insurance, I am going to have to keep working until I can’t. And then, I am thrust upon the tender mercies of Medicare and Medicaid. And I seem to be among the more fortunate.
That’s the situation all too many face.
Prof @
129
I wonder how long it will be before some big “investor” comes along and forces a breakup of McClatchy. The forced sale of Kight-Ridder struck me a suspious as hell.
kiotidada @ 164:
How could I have forgotten to include Everett Case? My dad (NC State alum) always thought EC was quite the classy guy.
Shagging balls for the Wolfpack? I probably could have sold my autograph to my friends if I’d done that.
The case in Michigan is an echo of Western Washington where John McKay was fired for not pursuing alleged a voter fraud case in the Washington gubenatorial race that was won by the Dems. Wash. Republicans where livid that the office slipped from their hands and someone had to pay for the loss.
Indeed, Dino Rossi could have had another recount, if someone had wanted to pay for it. The WA GOP decided to pursue the “fraud” thing in court instead. They cherry-picked a courtroom with a Republican judge in Eastern Washington, and even this hand-picked judge dismissed the case, with prejudice.
John McKay simply paid attention to the news stories, I guess, and saw that the stories whipped up by the party operatives was without any merit whatsoever, with respect to evidence of systematic fraud that benefited Democrats. The Democrats actually had a much better case - and still do; GOP operatives have been illegally protesting individual voter registrations, and as a result hundreds or thousands of Democratic voters have been kicked off the voter rolls, and will have to try to clear up their registrations before the next election. I know this for a fact, as two people in our household were punted just before this last election day.
dakine01 at 6:06 pm
Wow, thank you so much.
I remember all those guys, Wes Unseld (obviously), Butch Beard, Clem Haskins (cheated horribly as Coach at MN where Tubby is going), and Jim McDaniels(7 footer with an unbelieveable outside shot).
I remember Greg Smith vividly with the Milwaukee Bucks.
Thanks again for all the detail. I recall the names from my youth, but I had no knowledge of their connection to Rupp or KY basketball.
Prof @ 129:
McClatchy’s article draws this stark conclusion:
Taken together, critics say, the replacement of the U.S. attorneys, the voter-fraud campaign and the changes in Justice Department voting rights policies suggest that the Bush administration may have been using its law enforcement powers for partisan political purposes.
I knew about the first two elements but not about the voting rights policy. What are the chnages in the voting rights policy?
Celtic Music @ 147
They’ve been advertising it on CBS tonight.
Neil @ 175
I sure hope waxman reads the kos and the rest of the tubes to get some of his fuel for questions
and I sure hope waxman suggests impeachment of obu torture!
I am telling you, mention articles of impeachment and watch the repukes just go out of their mind
John Casper @
174
Since I’m a KY native, I tend to know a bit about the b-ball from my school days. I was a freshman at Western when McDaniels was a senior. We wound up at the final four and lost to Villanova in double OT. to get there we had to beat jacksonville with Artis Gilmore on a last second shot. We blew UK off the court (in the first game UK and Western ever played - may have been Rupp’s last game not remembering what year he retired), beat Ohio State in OT in regional final before losing to Villanova with Howard Porter and Chris Ford.
My son was 3 when I was diagnosed with cancer(he’s 13 now). The LAST thing I would ever have done was not do what I was already doing because what I was already doing was what I considered the right thing to be doing in the first place.
John Casper @ “Nobody at FDL takes Rush seriously, but a lot of moderates and conservatives listen to him. He and Coulter set the margin on the right.”
Yes. They need to be critiqued frequently and fairly so that less sophisticated listeners have a chance to compare their rant with a more reasoned and reasonable assertion.
I’ll never forget Matt Cooper and Robert Novakula (the douchebag of Liberty) on Charlie Rose. Both answered questions and neither contradicted each other. Novak had his complete list of characterizations and framing including the usual such as contempt for Joe Wilson and belittling the impact of the disclosure about Valarie Plame and her role at the CIA. Finally Novakula, the douchbag of Liberty, launched into Fitzgerald claiming the no underlying crime and perjury amounting to unjust prosecutorial judgement. Matt Cooper wasn;t going to allow that bullshit to stand and so he said, “Isn’t it ironic that the same people who cheered on Ken Starr who turned his investigation into a national symposium on sex are now complaining about how Fitzgerald conducted the investigation.” The douchebag had nothing to say in response.
Cooper’s response was measured, articulate and clever. He framed Starr’s style as a fair point of comparision, especially for those who support Starr, and he mocked it at the same time. For Matt Cooper, it was not personal, he was just tired of hearing Novak’s bullshit go unchallenged. So am I.
I’m also tired of hearing Rush’s, O’Reilly’s, Malkin’s and Coulter’s arguments in the comments section of Tha Nation and elsewhere freepers go.
Helpless Dancer @ 171
Would it be unreasonable/not useful for us to buy up shares of McClatchy? Never done such a thing so I don’t know. There are a lot of us, might work.
I’m late to teh thread… Carney’s an a**hole. Like many have said: You’ll never know unless it’s happened / happening to you. What pisses me off even more is the fact that carney will never ever run for president so he can just STFU.
ho-ok: I work for the fire dept emt-paramedic, about 2 months after my dad died (had alzheimers) we ran a call on an elderly gentleman about my dad’s age who also had alzheimers, his wife and son were there and we transported him to the hospital. While enroute, his son was riding up front with me and we talked. Since I have no idea what his father was going through, I certainly knew what the son was going through. I asked the son how he was feeling, with a heavy sigh, he replied “I don’t know what to do”, he talked the whole ride to the hospital. When we arrived he thanked me for listening and asked me again what he should do, I told him, you’re already doing it. Of all the calls I’ve run since (1994), that one has always stayed with me and I’ve never talked about it til now.
Thank you Jane and all of FDL for everything
I have a huge family in the fire department and feel an even bigger one here.
On a personal note: I had a body scan and it showed something “they had never seen before” I told my wife and my brother, they both just about freaked out. Subsequent tests have determined it to be nothing of any consequence. It’s just funny how those around you act.
My father-n-law listens to rush.. I just laff at him when he tries to tell me what rush said that day.. Then I say Hillery in 08 and laff some more
just another glimpse of Jane in action
Griffin @ 184
thank you for that.
;)
I know this is way EPU-ed, but thanks, Jane! For this post and for every posting and this blog…and thanks for taking your walks and taking care of yourself for us.
The Palm Beach Pravda pillhead Limbaugh is a worm…officially declared so by Imus Friday morning, I think it was in his conversation with Fineman which is likely still up at the wfan.com website, Instant Replay left column.
And smarmy Carney should count his blessings he is so totally lacking in the life experience of adversity that might addle his “feelers” because he’d obviously be totally unable to handle anything more testing than a hangnail. And maybe not even that. Putz.
Jane, how ’bout them ducks?
Tlazolteotl @ 173
I’m EPU’d, but I had to mention the following. I was one of those voters in 2005. I wrote to a reporter at the Seattle Times and urged him to research whether or not the purge 13 days before 2005’s election was also motivated by Republican party politics (the woman who filed voting challenges on 1900 voters is an officeholder of the King County Republican Party.) So far, I’m not getting a lot of traction. Very few of the above challenges were found to be enforceable.
I might also mention that there is verbiage in the voting challenge paperwork in Washington that the challenging party has to have “personal knowledge” of deliberate fraud to file said challenge. The woman in question did not. The Republican King County Prosecutor, Norm Maleng, refused to file the 1900 counts of perjury she’d earned.
-S
Bluetoe @ 167
The case in Michigan is an echo of Western Washington where John McKay was fired for not pursuing alleged a voter fraud case in the Washington gubenatorial race that was won by the Dems. Wash. Republicans where livid that the office slipped from their hands and someone had to pay for the loss. In Michigan, the Republican candidate for Governor, Dick DeVos (think Amway)from W. Mich. and an extreme rightwing fundamentalist was soundly defeated by the incumbent Dem. Jennifer Granholm. IMO the state party was livid and embarrassed. Someone had to pay for that one as well.
DEEP in EPU zone, no hope of catching you folks…I’m wondering if the demographics would preclude the Democratic prosecution rate. Lower Peninsula-Western Michigan is RED, with a few exception, just smallish pockets, where Eastern Lower is more mixed. Upper Peninsula has trended blue for a long time, little change there, and it’s so damnably sparse in population and rural that it’s disposable in terms of vote.
I think there’s something else going on with the Chiara story, particularly in light of a 10-OCT-07 meeting, Subject: “Chiara Investigation Request”. See Silver Owl’s comments in ePlurbibus Media’s Community pages under my Chiara post from this morning…lots to mull over.
I believe it has been a while since I told you how smart, sensible, passionate, articulate, lovely, strong, and beautiful you are.
God bless you and your work. You are an inspiration to an awfully lot of people, personally, professionally, and bloggishly.
I don’t worship anyone. But you’re in the ballpark. :-)
John O
Shit.
I posted something really nice and it seems to have disappeared.
Shorter: Jane, you are a hero and Goddess of the highest degree, and Jay Carney can eat me.
Thank you for everything you do.
J
Jane, thanks as always for putting your personal perspective on this. Three thoughts have occurred to me as I’ve followed the Edwards news.
1. It’s not my place to have an opinion about THEIR choices related to personal health issues.
2. Two presidential candidates that I know of — McCain and Giuliani — have had cancer. Themselves, not their spouses. Did Mr. Limbaugh suggest that they should not run?
Third, I’ve known many women who have had breast cancer. I’ve never known one whose husband quit his job because of it. In fact, I’ve never personally known a cancer patient who quit his or her job outright. Cut back, yes, quit no. I’m sure it’s happened, but I have yet to encounter a case. Again, it’s anyone’s personal choice; I’m just observing that it doesn’t seem to be the average or common choice, so why would anyone ASSUME that Mr. and/or Mrs. Edwards would/should take that action?
But as you note, fascist radio hosts get paid to trash people’s lives, so …
MarkC @
65
I recall awhile back that Carney and his wife, Claire Shipman, both happened to be on one of the Sunday morning shows, and Shipman was making a comment about one of the issues. I honestly don’t remember what the issue was, because I was so struck by her prefacing it with the fact that she was about to disagree with her husband.
Perhaps that “qualification” might have been more appropriate at a dinner part, tho’ I am not convinced, but certainly not on a Sunday morning pundit’s program. [Perhaps a little insight into his family’s gender politics?]
Organic George @ 56 and Jane
Very Old Cancer Survivor here — wrong diagnosis when I was 27, thus it spread, and we got it at stage three when I was 30. That was 37 years ago last January, January of 1970. In the meantime I was a NIH sponsored chemotherapy volunteer for a very experimental treatment, that has long since been discontinued because more advanced ones are now available. My problem was Melanoma. Among other things, this meant organize your life so you avoid the sun — if you wish to swim on a hot day, well you do it after the sun goes down. You certainly don’t do any work that requires you be in the sun — and that actually means avoiding driving unless you can point the car out of the sun, which does not necessarily take you where you wish to go.
For me, the chemotherapy probably caused early onset Rheumatoid Arthritis — and no amount of willpower can change the fact that you can’t walk, you can’t trust balance going up and down stairs, and all the rest. They fixed you on one level by altering your immune system, but on another, you still have to figure how to cope.
Would I do it over again if I were 30? of course. Would I do it again, most probably not.
What I find missing here is the practical side of coping and just getting on. A few years ago I found a home delivery for groceries and that is a godsend. Many communities don’t have such — and it is a necessity if you wish to still live with your dog and 8000 books, all of which you have read or partially read. Too much of the on line political organizing demands that I attend meetings. I don’t do that any more. I served years on the State Central Committee of the DFL, but no way would I drive beyond my recovery zone to any meeting. In fact the idea of a meeting puts me off.
I am sorry that Elizabeth Edwards first round of treatment did not zilch out the Cancer. I hope her second round throws her into long term remission even though it will not be a cure. But lets be realistic about her situation. She may be OK with treatment, but she will live on the edge of a dime for years. Many of us do. And many of us need accomodations not found in assumptions that everything is just fine and dandy, and not necessarily answered with just prayer.
First of all, the concept of “public service” is clearly lost on Carney. His conceit, that he–who has never battled cancer–has the right to judge, is just obnoxious and self-absorbed. But worse, Carney clearly makes this judgment out of fear; fear that he has admitted he would gladly teach to his children.
Secondly, since Carney has no courage, he has no conception of the spiritual fulfillments which sustain cancer survivors’ physical strength–and perhaps impact survival, but at the very least, give life meaning while one is alive. Elizabeth Edwards isn’t dead; she is a cancer survivor, not yet a victim. Why shouldn’t she live her life to the fullest while she is alive–particularly if it gives her spiritual fulfillment?
Thirdly, and most importantly of all, the Edwards know what Carney does not: That “small children” as well as big ones learn lessons of life when a parent is seriously ill. The lessons that Carney’s “two small children” would learn is to just GIVE UP, CURL UP, and DIE. The lesson that the Edwards’ “two small children” will learn is that life takes courage, commitment to ideals, dedication to something GREATER than yourself. I know these lessons: I am the child of a cancer victim, who ultimately lost a seven-year battle, but the lessons learned from watching a spirited woman who refused to give in or give up are with me every single day since.
How sad, for Carney’s children, that their father would teach them to give up in the face of adversity; to cringe and cower and give up all meaning in life, just because they are diagnosed with a disease. And, how pathetic, Carney’s selfish, conceitful fantasy of his own struggle with cancer, just so he can judge someone who actually does have cancer.
John And Elizabeth Edwards are living life to the fullest while they are still living, dedicated to ideals larger than themselves, committed to public service, but, as well, secure in the close bonds with their children. They are a rare example of truly devoted parents, committed to each other, committed to their life goals, and committed to their children. One of them happens to have cancer.
Lastly, it is a truism that our biggest obstacles are often our greatest opportunities to make a difference in others’ lives. The spotlight the Edwards’ campaign can shine on HEALTH CARE ISSUES in this country presents just such an opportunity. That John and Elizabeth Edwards struggle with the same fears, struggles, and experiences that other Americans do as they work jobs, raise children, fight cancer, insurance companies and judgmental twits like Carney–not to mention ANAL CYSTS like Rush Limbaugh–could be profound.
That is a legacy to their children they can be proud of; I doubt Carney can comprehend that, but he should ask himself–What legacy would I leave to my children, what lessons would I teach them with my example?
Jesus H. Christ, Jane.
Look, I’m not going to be shy. I adore you. You are eloquent, fiery, strong, intelligent. Beautiful.
Keep up the good work.
I pray for you.
Preface: several months ago my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer.
What we’ve come to realize: nothing’s changed but our awareness of death.
A friend who is undergoing treatment for prostate cancer called his diagnosis “one more loss of innocence”.
Cancer victims may live for another 15 or 20 years, or they may die in 1. But this is something they share with the rest of humanity. Nobody knows for whom the bell tolls or when. A cancer diagnosis simply and absolutely wrecks our illusion that it won’t ring for me or anyone I love. But it will.
The upside is, this makes each day palpable and of infinite worth.
Jane, you are spot on. I had a very dumb little cancer event (malignant melanoma, caught early) the past couple of months. My reaction was NOT to write my will, but to go to a scrapbooking retreat, increase my letter writing, study for my java certification. To plan things out with my little daughter better. It was totally and completely to engage with life. I’m trying not to lose the lesson.
It did occur to me during that time when I was reading FDL, This must be why Jane Hamsher is living so keenly. None of us have an inexhaustible supply of chances and she knows it.
DItto #196
You are my inspiration…..
Thanks for this thread on Elizabeth. In her courage and love of life, I saw my son’s story. He died of complications of diabetes a few months shy of his 50th year, but never in the 20 years of this disease’s slings and arrows against his body did he lose determination to live, albeit with his limitations. He continued to work as a construction designer, at first full time, then sporadically between hospital stays. He lost first his toes, then his left leg. His prothesis never fit him comfortably, but he appeared at our wedding anniversary celebration wearing it, knowing it would please us to see him walking. Even when he went on disability, he continued to design - trying to get a patent on a wheel chair to be used in the driver’s seat of his car. He never gave up, even in great pain. Only the night he died did he tell his dad he might not make it - not for himself but to warn us of what he knew the morning might bring. His example is such a beacon to us, and I saw the same thing in Elizabeth’s eyes the other day.
One thing that should be remembered is that Rush belittling people with cancer/diseases is deeply political.
“See we healthy, God-fearing Republicans don’t need no socialized medicine. Those weak, sinful, whining liberals, they go running to the government for help when they get their degenerate selves sick.”
Remember that Rush will be leading the attacks when the fight for universal health care comes.
It has been my personal experience that the majority of us have convinced ourselves that life is a bowl of Sugar Corn Pops. When a problem intrudes itself into a person’s life, those who are not directly involved prefer that the person go off quietly into a corner - it’s too scary to realize the same thing could happen to you, and, we don’t like the idea of having to deal with the unpleasant.
You have the courage and wisdom to realize that life is right now, this moment - that’s all there is - so you choose to live, and as an adjunct, continue to make our lives better. By so doing, you enrich the lives of many, many people, most of whom you don’t even know.
Late to the party Jane, but damn, you are a fine writer!
I love what you have to say about this issue because you shut up all the concern trolls and all the rest of us who have had second hand experience and thus know what should be done.
All I can say from my own brushes with tragedy is that I tried to find the silver lining or lesson from the experience.
If all this “well meaning” advice continues I hope Elizabeth Edwards will issue a statement that wonders if any of the concern trolls would like complete strangers to butt into their lives and tell them what to do.
Sending positive energy to the both of you. You make the world a better place.
Jane, check out this infuriating op-ed by Joan Vennochi in the Boston Sunday Globe today –
http://www.boston.com/news/glo.....a_husband/
Basically she says that poor Elizabeth is crazed by the loss of her son and her own cancer, and has become a whirling dervish so that she won’t have to think about them, and it’s time John stopped being a politician and was a good husband instead, stopping this terrible merry-go-round so that poor Elizabeth can lie on her fainting couch and expire in a proper and acceptable manner.