Snap!

Dang, did it again! I gotta get a life!

conniptionfit — you are cracking me up. *g*

Christy Hardin Smith @ 2

conniptionfit — you are cracking me up. *g*

Honey, it aint nothin’ to what yer doin’ to me!

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I was actually waiting for a new thread, so I could post a link to the transcript.

conniptionfit @
2

Dang, did it again! I gotta get a life!

Well, aren’t we getting greedy. You beat me out just last thread!

Oh, well, off to my nap.

Heh. Loved the look on David Frum’s face at the close. Bill Maher – truth teller.

“pretending to be a cowboy or fighter pilot…”

Or PRESIDENT I might add.

Buscho despicable…. and that is putting it diplomatically.

Wow, everybody is getting into the “Special Commentary” business these days.

And a good thing too!

One of these days we gotta have a thread where we can get the story behind some of thse screen names-FIGBASH! On second thought, could it BE any better than my own sick, fevered imagination?

Not a president, but he plays one on TV.

Maher’s Mark Twain quote needs to be entered at the top of today’s national lexicon:

[paraphrased] “Patriotism is serving your country all of the time, and your government when it deserves it.”

The wing nuts have become victims of the slow drip, drip of Rove type Kool-aid so they actually think in the paradigm which even the USSR’s Michael Gorbechev rejected when he said; “never confuse your country with your government. They are two different things.” [paraphrased]

In this vein, every time someone says Bush is head of my country, or this nation’s leader, I inform them he is not. He is head of the government, not my country.

Renee in Ohio @ 13

Not a president, but he plays one on TV.

And NOT very convincingly!

Which is sad, conniptionfit, because I would think most people, with the amount of help and money he has behind him, should be able to convincingly play that part.

tbsa @ 10

Buscho despicable…. and that is putting it diplomatically.

Here’s how I put it “diplomatically.”

Renee in Ohio @ 16

Which is sad, conniptionfit, because I would think most people, with the amount of help and money he has behind him, should be able to convincingly play that part.

Hey, I got a 16yr old sittin’ around the house not doing anything….

BobbyG @ 17

tbsa @ 10

Buscho despicable…. and that is putting it diplomatically.

Here’s how I put it “diplomatically.”

I like the way you think!

conniptionfit @
5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I wish that I could but thanks to this “wonderful” economy of Chimpy’s, the employment position somewhat precludes it for the time being…

How likely is it that they will get busted for treason – or anything else? I like John Dean’s take.

By JOHN W. DEAN
It Seems Likely Bush, with Fielding, Will Go to the Wall on Executive Privilege

This time, it is my belief that Bush — unlike Reagan before him — will not blink. He will not let Fielding strike a deal, as Fielding did for Reagan. Rather, Bush feels that he has his manhood on the line. He knows what his conservative constituency wants: a strong president who protects his prerogatives. He believes in the unitary executive theory of protecting those prerogatives, and of strengthening the presidency by defying Congress.

In short, all those who have wanted to see Karl Rove in jail may get their wish, for he will not cave in, either — and may well be prosecuted for contempt, as Gorsuch was not. Bush’s greatest problem here, however, is Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem.

Friday, Mar. 23, 2007

Renee in Ohio @ 13

Not a president, but he plays one on TV.

or fighter pilot.

Why is it that so few people with a public forum can speak this plainly? The truth is such a rare commodity these days, yet those who speak it do us and themselves a great sevice. Just look a the popularity of both Maher and KO.

A White House in denial. What else is new?

(snip)

White House officials on Saturday continued their offensive against Congress and repeated their charges that Congressional Democrats were “playing politics” with the issue. They said the new batch of documents — released late Friday — would not further harm Mr. Gonzales’s credibility and expressed confidence that he would survive the controversy.

“The attorney general understands that he has to repair some credibility on the Hill,” said a senior administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity. “But I don’t think this release of documents changes the dynamics.”

Another anonymous “senior administration official.” How many of them are there, really?

Re: prior thread, I wonder if the FDL crew can access information regarding the contributors to the Blue America page. I observed on the last thread that it would be good if we could do that. Maybe we could identify large contributors, and try asking for bigger dollars for specific candidates.

I am willing to do the asking.

dakine01 @ 20

conniptionfit @
5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I wish that I could but thanks to this “wonderful” economy of Chimpy’s, the employment position somewhat precludes it for the time being…

I know my contribution wasn’t what I wish it could be, (I did give a little) but it is important to me that folks like Carrol, and Patrick are re-elected. These are people we can all be proud of having in our party.

Hm, I’ve got a picture of him playing fighter pilot too, come to think of it.

dakine01- I get that. Mostly I was shaking my finger ’cause not many of us stuck around to take advantage of the opportunity to ask Carol some of the government/ procedural type questions that we’ve been asking eachother. You know- expert stuff.

Renee in Ohio @ 16

Which is sad, conniptionfit, because I would think most people, with the amount of help and money he has behind him, should be able to convincingly play that part.

years from now, i have no doubt it will come out that bush suffers from some sort of mental impairment.
i’m not soliciting jokes. i mean that seriously.

I do love Waxman. He has such a way with words.
From the previous thread:

http://oversight.house.gov/Doc…..-81505.pdf

Good going Bill Maher. Tnx to great blogs like FDL and C&L which find great vidclips and make it unnecessary for me to watch TV. The toobz are much more fun anyhow, especially with truth-tellers like Maher on tap.

Tnx FDL for this gem.

Have you gotten your Pulitzer Prize yet?? :)

Puesto @
14

Maher’s Mark Twain quote needs to be entered at the top of today’s national lexicon:

[paraphrased] “Patriotism is serving your country all of the time, and your government when it deserves it.”

The wing nuts have become victims of the slow drip, drip of Rove type Kool-aid so they actually think in the paradigm which even the USSR’s Michael Gorbechev rejected when he said; “never confuse your country with your government. They are two different things.” [paraphrased]

In this vein, every time someone says Bush is head of my country, or this nation’s leader, I inform them he is not. He is head of the government, not my country.

It gets my goat when he insists, “It’s MY job to protect the American people” I always say (to the TV) No, it’s your job to protect the Constitution!

Masaccio—may I send mail to your address listed with your commenter info?

dmg @ 29

Renee in Ohio @ 16

Which is sad, conniptionfit, because I would think most people, with the amount of help and money he has behind him, should be able to convincingly play that part.

years from now, i have no doubt it will come out that bush suffers from some sort of mental impairment.
i’m not soliciting jokes. i mean that seriously.

Early onset alchoholism

dakine01 @ 20

conniptionfit @
5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I wish that I could but thanks to this “wonderful” economy of Chimpy’s, the employment position somewhat precludes it for the time being…

at some future point i hope to, too. let’s just say no one would want to be in my shoes financially right now.
but things will change.

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

you know, every time I hear about the service Valry Wilson gave to this country I get those shivers when you are awed.

Then when I read about her husband and his service…it’s really mind boggling isn’t it.

And these fools and morons in office that try to bring their reputation to denigration.

and the fools and morons that continue to support their “party” leaders

yet we are America after all, and though votes were stolen by the 100’s of thousands, democracy arose never the less to spread her wings and regain flight

yet the flight is cumbersome as we attempt to bring these criminals to justice, the wheels turn much too slow and the damage being done far too great

how long will America and her constitution suffer the harm from those in office today?

dmg @ 35

dakine01 @ 20

conniptionfit @
5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I wish that I could but thanks to this “wonderful” economy of Chimpy’s, the employment position somewhat precludes it for the time being…

at some future point i hope to, too. let’s just say no one would want to be in my shoes financially right now.
but things will change.

Unfortunately in the same boat. Loved having her at the lake, though

Yeah. Fetal alchohol syndrome. Babs should laid off the sauce while she was breeding

Well that was certainly hard hitting.
I wonder how many people saw that.
I wonder how many people are emailing that YouTube clip around.

OT–but important:

From the NYTimes:

When John and Elizabeth Edwards learned on Wednesday that Mrs. Edwards’s breast cancer had returned, the presidential campaign, which often seems removed from daily life, suddenly mirrored reality for thousands of American families facing a deadly illness. Mr. Edwards’s choice — whether to scale back a demanding career to be with his spouse — is one faced throughout the nation.

(snip)

Many spouses, like Mr. Edwards, decide to keep up their work life, for reasons that include practical necessity and their psychological well-being, or that of an ill partner. Faced with this difficult choice, some are more likely to alter or curtail their careers, but many others say that focusing on work can be a relief, a ballast and a needed escape. And many doctors and therapists who deal with cancer patients and their families endorse this thinking.

(snip)

RGB @31

Yes, but please use this one instead.

Christy!!!!!

Did you happen to catch TRex’s song for you last night?

I’ve been thinking about it all day – Agent Scully, indeed! (That last walk she takes down the hallway captures your attitude nicely.)

Love you so much, thank you for all that you do. (and belated Happy Birthday to Ms. Peanut!)

conniptionfit, dmg, Wil, et al: Maybe we should put together a firm for unemployed/underemployed refugees of the reich wing econmy. My skills are Software Quality Assurance and Testing with some Accounting training from the AF and generally being an overall pain in the a** (kinda required for QA)…

Any thoughts?

Notice how Shea-Porter answered a direct question about whether anyone in the House — where impeachment must originate — is speaking of impeachment against Gonzalez. She said to the effect — Congress is paying just as close attention to all this as you all are.

Lying to Congress is a crime, which, among other possible crimes, was listed by the NYTimes in an editorial last Monday..

It seems to me, with the Special Prosecutor law now dead, that impeachment is the correct way to get to the bottom of whether Gonzalez lied to Congress. And, I believe he was under oath when he testified a couple of weeks ago, which, as of the e-mails on Friday, we now know was at least a lie or two regarding he “was not in on any discussions of the fired USA’s.” [paraphrased]

I still say the Bush/Rove strategy is to build up Gonzalez as a “higher-value target” to see if the opposition will back off and end all this when his head is offered. Regardless of what the press says, Bush has a history of being very loyal, until the end, when the back-knives come out.mrobinsong @
21

How likely is it that they will get busted for treason – or anything else? I like John Dean’s take.

By JOHN W. DEAN
It Seems Likely Bush, with Fielding, Will Go to the Wall on Executive Privilege

This time, it is my belief that Bush — unlike Reagan before him — will not blink. He will not let Fielding strike a deal, as Fielding did for Reagan. Rather, Bush feels that he has his manhood on the line. He knows what his conservative constituency wants: a strong president who protects his prerogatives. He believes in the unitary executive theory of protecting those prerogatives, and of strengthening the presidency by defying Congress.

In short, all those who have wanted to see Karl Rove in jail may get their wish, for he will not cave in, either — and may well be prosecuted for contempt, as Gorsuch was not. Bush’s greatest problem here, however, is Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem.

Friday, Mar. 23, 2007

this one’s for you,
mr. karl rove, and
you, mr. dick cheney:
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more here.

Talk about somebody getting paid for doing nothing. Why doesn’t the Bush administration just pay this ridiculous woman to stay home?

Rice seeks ‘common approach’ on Mideast trip
Secretary of state hopes to get Israelis, Palestinians on the same page

WASHINGTON – U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Friday she hoped to persuade Israelis and Palestinians to agree on a common set of issues to discuss as she headed to the Middle East amid skepticism about the U.S. commitment to pursuing peace.

My overriding impression of bush is that first he is a sociopath.

Second he act as if he was running this country from some country club where he and his fellow slime balls tell stories about all the money the money they are raking in.
The profits they engender from the deaths of so many as if they were playing a game of golf, laughing and joking with not one thought or twinge of conscience, it is just a game to them, nothing more, no thought to duty, honor, character, and not a jot or tittle of integrity.

Bush doesn’t give a shit because he is empty, hollow, and has no capacity to experience empathy.

conniptionfit @ 5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I was disappointed and quite surprised. Perhaps this was neither the best day nor time of day for any activity from the commenters on the sidelines. Perhaps some potential donors would prefer to show their support for something other than radio.

My suggestion is we should have a brief follow up next Tuesday. Indicate the total amount received. Provide other ways to donate to Carol’s campaign. Why not just checks or credit card donations to her campaign committee to use as they see fit. It is obvious they will not waste it.

If ever there was a politician worthy of our support, Carol Shea-Porter is that person.

How about Shea-Porter for President, Richardson for VP, and Finegold for Attorney General? We certainly need candidates in their image and not just what has captured the media attention thus far.

Now that’s a clip that should be seen by all Americans even if they’ve got there head up there somewhere.

Crooks and liars has an interesting bit about Bush owing the government $40 mil.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..ed-limits/

mrobinsong @
21

How likely is it that they will get busted for treason – or anything else? I like John Dean’s take.

By JOHN W. DEAN
It Seems Likely Bush, with Fielding, Will Go to the Wall on Executive Privilege

This time, it is my belief that Bush — unlike Reagan before him — will not blink. He will not let Fielding strike a deal, as Fielding did for Reagan. Rather, Bush feels that he has his manhood on the line. He knows what his conservative constituency wants: a strong president who protects his prerogatives. He believes in the unitary executive theory of protecting those prerogatives, and of strengthening the presidency by defying Congress.

In short, all those who have wanted to see Karl Rove in jail may get their wish, for he will not cave in, either — and may well be prosecuted for contempt, as Gorsuch was not. Bush’s greatest problem here, however, is Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem.

Friday, Mar. 23, 2007

Can’t recall who it was but someone on a thread last night re-named the Unitary Executive Theory to the URINARY Executive Theory since all he’s doing is p*ssing on the Constitution

BobbyG @
17

tbsa @ 10

Buscho despicable…. and that is putting it diplomatically.

Here’s how I put it “diplomatically.”

Funny! I’ve never seen such a colorful military group before or since Mission Accomplished.

Renee in Ohio @ 36

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

Dry drunk syndrome? Google it.

Thanks to Bill Maher for putting the Plame leak in proper perspective. I hope it gains a wider audience with the help of YouTube.

I have in the past. I’m probably thinking of some sort of “alcohol-induced dementia” though.

Rocket Scientist @ 49

conniptionfit @ 5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I was disappointed and quite surprised. Perhaps this was neither the best day nor time of day for any activity from the commenters on the sidelines. Perhaps some potential donors would prefer to show their support for something other than radio.

Hello,

The money that was donated today via Carol’s Blue America account goes to her campaign – not for radio spots. That would be Blue America PAC (or at least that’s what we spent most of the ‘06 money on… )

There is a difference! And I might add, any of you who do not have cash BUT have skills and want to help out, we are looking for people to help coordinate an Ebay auction. Email me at “my fdl handle” AT mindspring DAHT com.

nolo @
46

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Clever, Nolo.

Pretty great rant by Maher. Why do Republicans hate our country and the people in it?

The intertoobz is bubbling about Turdblossom’s use of the GWB43 server for his email 95% of the freakin’ time. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/24/125331/162

Did Fitz know that? Doesn’t that count as “New Information”? An excellent point is also made that since so much of his “work” is overtly political, that puts him way out of contention for an executive privelege claim. He would still obfuscate and smarm and writhe like the lizard he is but it would still be important to do.

Accountability People!!!

Also, over in the other Washington, Abu Gonzo was evading and squirming against some tough questioning by two Seattle radio folks:

http://www.horsesass.org/?p=2716

He refuses to answer a very simple question: why were they fired?

Check it out

The view here is that the Bush situation is not all that complicated. Rich (not self earned wealth, mind you), spoiled brat.

dakine01 @ 44

conniptionfit, dmg, Wil, et al: Maybe we should put together a firm for unemployed/underemployed refugees of the reich wing econmy. My skills are Software Quality Assurance and Testing with some Accounting training from the AF and generally being an overall pain in the a** (kinda required for QA)…

Any thoughts?

Dakine01: Please see my comment in 56 looking for skilled people.

Biodun @
24

Another anonymous “senior administration official.” How many of them are there, really?

More to the point, how many WH reporters are left who are willing to grant anonymity just to give yet another bit of spin or trial balloon talking point a push around the carousel?

Other than Tim Russert, of course.

;>)

Renee in Ohio @ 36

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

What’s alcohol-related dementia?
Alcohol related dementia is a form of dementia related to the excessive drinking of alcohol. This affects memory, learning and other mental functions. Korsakoff’s syndrome and Wernicke/Korsakoff syndrome are particular forms of alcohol related brain injury which may be associated with alcohol related dementia.

I am not willing to let Bush off the hook lightly by blaming his behavior on alcoholism (although that could have been a contributing factor). I believe he has some fundamental character flaws that go way back.

masaccio @ 25

Re: prior thread, I wonder if the FDL crew can access information regarding the contributors to the Blue America page. I observed on the last thread that it would be good if we could do that. Maybe we could identify large contributors, and try asking for bigger dollars for specific candidates.

I am willing to do the asking.

We have done well today in terms of raising money for Carol. People give what they can give and I have found the FDL crowd to be super-generous. I don’t ever want to pressure anyone to give more than they feel comfortable giving, whether they donate $500 or $5.00.

We raised more for Carol in 90 minutes than we have raised for Patrick Murphy and for Steve Cohen in several weeks. The way Blue America works is that every week there are people who contribute more to the candidates on the list, not just the one candidate we are talking to that day. In fact Charlie Brown and Murphy both had a good day today thanks to Carol’s donors who threw a few bucks to each of them when they gave to Carol. Last time I looked we were over $1,400 for Carol. That’s excellent because it is indicative of a solid $2,000 weekend. There’s no reason to think we won’t raise $30,000 for her by election time.

Masaccio, I can well understand your anxiety, but chill. I don’t want anyone to ever feel pressured. If you have any ideas about getting non-contributors to kick in– either FDL lurkers or non-FDL folks– please, let’s talk. Jacquie and I are starving for new ideas about how to make this work even better. Remember, though, last cycle we raised $545,000 this way… and the DCCC is polite to me even though I curse Emanuel out at least once a week.

I’m always looking for books and CDs to offer as premiums for donors and I try to do a match every week. But I bet you– and others– will have ideas that can make it better. I want those ideas.

This is the link for #65

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/….._6246.html

conniptionfit @ 5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

i thought it was a good idea for me to refrain from participating… i’m still so upset and angry about the house vote yesterday to provide supplemental funding for the war… i knew i couldn’t participate w/o saying something about that… and i don’t think carol needed to be hearing from me on that subject.

… i did have a good talk with my own rep (jim mcgovern – who i think very well of) about it this afternoon. it was distressing (i started bawling and couldn’t stop)… and i don’t know if i feel better or worse now.

Help save me…. still reading through the comments of the DOJ document review over at TPMmuckraker….

Interesting points…. why are DOJ employees using Yahoo email addy?

Christy…. can you address the issue of government employees using NON gov. email addresses for Government business?

Anyone want an eyeopener on poor business practices put into government emails go take a gander. Didn’t anyone learn appropriate business language? Some of these people sound totally inept.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002809.php

selise @ 66

conniptionfit @ 5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

i thought it was a good idea for me to refrain from participating… i’m still so upset and angry about the house vote yesterday to provide supplemental funding for the war… i knew i couldn’t participate w/o saying something about that… and i don’t think carol needed to be hearing from me on that subject.

… i did have a good talk with my own rep (jim mcgovern – who i think very well of) about it this afternoon. it was distressing (i started bawling and couldn’t stop)… and i don’t know if i feel better or worse now.

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Jacqrat @
60

dakine01 @ 44

conniptionfit, dmg, Wil, et al: Maybe we should put together a firm for unemployed/underemployed refugees of the reich wing econmy. My skills are Software Quality Assurance and Testing with some Accounting training from the AF and generally being an overall pain in the a** (kinda required for QA)…

Any thoughts?

Dakine01: Please see my comment in 56 looking for skilled people.

Just sent you an e-mail with my real name and such…

Howie,
I know there must be a good reason you don’t use Paypal. Can you explicky?

Oh, and I wasn’t putting in the right expiration date….

Maher’s been on fire lately, and Frum did have the poopy-diaper look at the end.

Perhaps I’m naive, but I don’t think Bush’s manly petulance is going to carry the day on the USA scandal, because most people in this country see him as the whiny incompetent that he is. And he has a bit of a credibility problem.

The Rude Pundit (bless his Rudeness) wrote after Katrina that the debacle of New Orleans was the tipping point for this administration – that the veneer of competence was washed away and, quoting Nietzsche, I think (can’t find the post) noted that once the bell has been rung, it cannot be unrung.

Bush might have a chance if people still thought of him as the straight-talkin’ Texan bringing honor and dignity back to the White House, but most floks now see him as the small, overmatched hack that he is, so his stand on principle looks pretty lame.

It doesn’t help that Abu G turns out to have lied about this only slightly less often than he has opened his mouth.

George Soros on Israel, the US, and AIPAC in the NY Review of Books:

The Bush administration is once again in the process of committing a major policy blunder in the Middle East, one that is liable to have disastrous consequences and is not receiving the attention it should. This time it concerns the Israeli–Palestinian relationship. The Bush administration is actively supporting the Israeli government in its refusal to recognize a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas, which the US State Department considers a terrorist organization. This precludes any progress toward a peace settlement at a time when progress on the Palestinian problem could help avert a conflagration in the greater Middle East.

(snip)

Condi, currently visiting the Middle East seeking solutions, should read Soros’s thoughtful piece. But I bet she hasn’t, and won’t.

I read Justin Franks book – “Bush on the Couch” the summer of 2004 on a road trip to Vancouver BC. Dr Franks has the creds as he is ex-CIA profiler using CIA methods to profile persons of interest.

Scared the sh*t out of me then and it scares me more today. Bush’s last presser I heard via the radio so it was only audio…. boy did he sound drugged, slurred speech and bad case of the cotton mouth.

Jeb Bush denied honor at U. of Florida

thank you Jacqrat @ 68. i think jim also felt bad, ‘cuz he gave me a hug too (and that sure hadn’t happened before).

Renee in Ohio @
55

I have in the past. I’m probably thinking of some sort of “alcohol-induced dementia” though.

Some variant on the DTs (delirium tremors) maybe?

Jeepers. I always thought of Maher as a centrist, haven’t spent much time watching him for years now because he was too far right of me to waste my time.

But wow, he actually got the outing of Plame dead-on for somebody who’s as centrist as I think he is.

We have definitely passed the tipping point.

BobbyG @
17

tbsa @ 10

Buscho despicable…. and that is putting it diplomatically.

Here’s how I put it “diplomatically.”

I served my country honorably and when I see this picture it makes me want to do things like Fucking scream and #$%%%^
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selise @ 66

i thought it was a good idea for me to refrain from participating… i’m still so upset and angry about the house vote yesterday to provide supplemental funding for the war… i knew i couldn’t participate w/o saying something about that… and i don’t think carol needed to be hearing from me on that subject.

… i did have a good talk with my own rep (jim mcgovern – who i think very well of) about it this afternoon. it was distressing (i started bawling and couldn’t stop)… and i don’t know if i feel better or worse now.

Selise, only 4 members of Congress have a 100% on Iraq. Your congressman, James McGovern, is one of those 4. Trust the guy. He voted against Bush on every single bill that came up since the war was proposed. McGovern has been a saint– the purest of the pure. There are too many reactionary Dems plus rubber stamp Republicans– apparently all of them but 2– for Pelosi to have gotten anything stronger. A dozen congressmembers told me how anguished they were about the bill this week but in the end they felt this is what they had to do to move the process along.

I’ve been trying to write about it– and figure it out– at Down With Tyranny, as you know. I just put up a piece a few minutes ago that tries tackling some of the issues we’re all feeling on this vote.

Some of us have been saying this for three years, since Kristoff and Krugman first made a big deal out of it: It was Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson who were doing the right thing and got busted for outing a dirty trick run out of the OVP.

But Maher just said it with a “WOW”. Good on ya.

dakine01 @ 44

conniptionfit, dmg, Wil, et al: Maybe we should put together a firm for unemployed/underemployed refugees of the reich wing econmy. My skills are Software Quality Assurance and Testing with some Accounting training from the AF and generally being an overall pain in the a** (kinda required for QA)…

Any thoughts?

Sounds great to me. Financial Accounting, Non-profit administration and social services for Homeless, HIV/AIDS nd chronic mental illness. Also have done a lot of software conversion, systems implementations. Any takers?

howieklein @
64

masaccio @ 25

Re: prior thread, I wonder if the FDL crew can access information regarding the contributors to the Blue America page. I observed on the last thread that it would be good if we could do that. Maybe we could identify large contributors, and try asking for bigger dollars for specific candidates.

I am willing to do the asking.

We have done well today in terms of raising money for Carol. People give what they can give and I have found the FDL crowd to be super-generous. I don’t ever want to pressure anyone to give more than they feel comfortable giving, whether they donate $500 or $5.00.

We raised more for Carol in 90 minutes than we have raised for Patrick Murphy and for Steve Cohen in several weeks. The way Blue America works is that every week there are people who contribute more to the candidates on the list, not just the one candidate we are talking to that day. In fact Charlie Brown and Murphy both had a good day today thanks to Carol’s donors who threw a few bucks to each of them when they gave to Carol. Last time I looked we were over $1,400 for Carol. That’s excellent because it is indicative of a solid $2,000 weekend. There’s no reason to think we won’t raise $30,000 for her by election time.

Masaccio, I can well understand your anxiety, but chill. I don’t want anyone to ever feel pressured. If you have any ideas about getting non-contributors to kick in– either FDL lurkers or non-FDL folks– please, let’s talk. Jacquie and I are starving for new ideas about how to make this work even better. Remember, though, last cycle we raised $545,000 this way… and the DCCC is polite to me even though I curse Emanuel out at least once a week.

I’m always looking for books and CDs to offer as premiums for donors and I try to do a match every week. But I bet you– and others– will have ideas that can make it better. I want those ideas.

Anyway to get with Molly Ivins estate and maybe offer some of her writings? It would honor her and keep her stuff current…

Condi shops and plays the piano. Her hobby is being Secretary of State.

Howard Zinn is being true to us, selise

Timetables for withdrawal are not only morally reprehensible in the case of a brutal occupation (would you give a thug who invaded your house, smashed everything in sight, and terrorized your children a timetable for withdrawal?) but logically nonsensical. If our troops are preventing civil war, helping people, controlling violence, then why withdraw at all? If they are in fact doing the opposite—provoking civil war, hurting people, perpetuating violence—they should withdraw as quickly as ships and planes can carry them home.

(snip)

It is not easy, in the corrupting atmosphere of Washington, D.C., to hold on firmly to the truth, to resist the temptation of capitulation that presents itself as compromise. A few manage to do so. I think of Barbara Lee, the one person in the House of Representatives who, in the hysterical atmosphere of the days following 9/11, voted against the resolution authorizing Bush to invade Afghanistan. Today, she is one of the few who refuse to fund the Iraq War, insist on a prompt end to the war, reject the dishonesty of a false compromise.

Except for the rare few, like Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Lynn Woolsey, and John Lewis, our representatives are politicians, and will surrender their integrity, claiming to be “realistic.”

We are not politicians, but citizens. We have no office to hold on to, only our consciences, which insist on telling the truth. That, history suggests, is the most realistic thing a citizen can do.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/24/65/

Wil @ 81

dakine01 @ 44

conniptionfit, dmg, Wil, et al: Maybe we should put together a firm for unemployed/underemployed refugees of the reich wing econmy. My skills are Software Quality Assurance and Testing with some Accounting training from the AF and generally being an overall pain in the a** (kinda required for QA)…

Any thoughts?

Sounds great to me. Financial Accounting, Non-profit administration and social services for Homeless, HIV/AIDS nd chronic mental illness. Also have done a lot of software conversion, systems implementations. Any takers?

I’ve also done the system conversions and implementations. Worked on multiple state and local gov’t programs for child welfare, child care, and child support. Sociology major first time through school (albeit without degree)…

Oklahoma kiddo @
59

The view here is that the Bush situation is not all that complicated. Rich (not self earned wealth, mind you), spoiled brat.

and dont forget, he’s a bully.

katymine @ 67

Help save me…. still reading through the comments of the DOJ document review over at TPMmuckraker….

Interesting points…. why are DOJ employees using Yahoo email addy?

Christy…. can you address the issue of government employees using NON gov. email addresses for Government business?

Anyone want an eyeopener on poor business practices put into government emails go take a gander. Didn’t anyone learn appropriate business language? Some of these people sound totally inept.

link

They’re supposed to use their government e-mail addresses for official government business. However, breaking the law and firing people to obstruct justice fall outside the realm of official government business, so from a legal standpoint, they were correct to use personal e-mail accounts for these interactions.

Biodun @ 72

George Soros on Israel, the US, and AIPAC in the NY Review of Books:

The Bush administration is once again in the process of committing a major policy blunder in the Middle East, one that is liable to have disastrous consequences and is not receiving the attention it should. This time it concerns the Israeli–Palestinian relationship. The Bush administration is actively supporting the Israeli government in its refusal to recognize a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas, which the US State Department considers a terrorist organization. This precludes any progress toward a peace settlement at a time when progress on the Palestinian problem could help avert a conflagration in the greater Middle East.

(snip)

Condi, currently visiting the Middle East seeking solutions, should read Soros’s thoughtful piece. But I bet she hasn’t, and won’t.

The Sec. of State can visit all she wants to. The impression is it’s neither ‘here nor there’.

It’s not just Democrats. Anybody – left, right or in between – should be mad as hell. Whatever the OVP imagined it was protecting by outing Plame was not worth this tactic or its consequences.

Let’s see who can get legit access to the CIA damage assessment on outing Plame, Brewster Jennings, and its network. (Which seems to have been Hoovered up with a lot of other dirt about this scandal.) Somebody paid with their life; people disappeared, lost their jobs, their credibility, their safety because they were connected to Plame’s intelligence gathering, or their govt or their enemies thought they were.

The liability, like much else is on Dick Cheney’s desk. He was aided and abetted by Libby, Rove, Fleischer, McClellan, Armitage and Mr. Bush. Too right these men should be afraid of a Congress wanting to investigate their doings while the trails are still fresh.

TiredFed @ 86

Oklahoma kiddo @
59

The view here is that the Bush situation is not all that complicated. Rich (not self earned wealth, mind you), spoiled brat.

and dont forget, he’s a bully.

A bully? Very much so.

katymine @
67

Help save me…. still reading through the comments of the DOJ document review over at TPMmuckraker….

Interesting points…. why are DOJ employees using Yahoo email addy?

Christy…. can you address the issue of government employees using NON gov. email addresses for Government business?

Anyone want an eyeopener on poor business practices put into government emails go take a gander. Didn’t anyone learn appropriate business language? Some of these people sound totally inept.

link

1. It shouldnt matter whether email was on govt server or yahoo, all such are govt. property and are subject to Congressional oversight (sent to govt. email address by govt. employee on official govt. business).
2. My agency just recently gave us Internet access to email servers at work. So, up until then, would have used private account for email from home. I’m not a crackberry addict, so my only option would have been yahoo or whatever.

Found this nugget to refute prosecution of Immigration cases!

stats-man re: Carol Lam and immigration prosecutions numbers

in PDF 7-1 page 33 there is a memo from Sampson regarding his own research into the complaints by Southern Cal congresspeople about the supposed “lack” of alien smuggling prosecutions. His findings were:

San Diego – increase of 42% in number of alien smuggling prosecutions over the prior four years
Arizone – 91% increase
New Mexico – 8% increase
West Texas – 12% decrease
South Texas – 77% increase

AZ.. almost a 100% increase in prosecutions. One thing they tried to tie to Charlton firing was refusal to push for the death penalty for a murder case, no body, no weapon, just witness statements who were druggies. And not going after Adult Porn….. another holdover from Ashcroft I am sure.

jacqrat

I just sent you my details.

This community amazes me. Why was a lurker for so long. The support and encouragement I’ve gotten here over the last few weeks has come close to bringing me to tears on a couple of occasions, and the kicks in the ass to get off the blog and go to interviews for jobs I didn’t want, but desperately needed were well received.

Thanks, pups.
Wil

selise @
66

conniptionfit @ 5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

i thought it was a good idea for me to refrain from participating… i’m still so upset and angry about the house vote yesterday to provide supplemental funding for the war… i knew i couldn’t participate w/o saying something about that… and i don’t think carol needed to be hearing from me on that subject.

… i did have a good talk with my own rep (jim mcgovern – who i think very well of) about it this afternoon. it was distressing (i started bawling and couldn’t stop)… and i don’t know if i feel better or worse now.

Hearts go out to you, selise. However, I have Lantos (Fool-CA) as my rep. And there are no hugs coming from that pugnacious war-monger. A little envy from the CA-12th.

thanks howie and angie… off to dwt…. but, before i go – one good piece of info is that jim told me that speaker pelosi has promised there will be a vote on a stand alone bill to tell bush he can’t attack iran w/out congressional approval. i had read reports of this, but it was nice to have it confirmed.

One thing that very much bothers me about the Dems, is will my party actively pursue a fair and just peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians if we win the WH back? Or will it just be more of the same? If so, I will possibly become angry.

This vile man turns my stomach!

“March 13, 2007 –Our White House Press Corps sources report further
disturbing news about President George W. Bush. Our sources have witnessed a
clearly inebriated Bush approaching members of the press corps and making
rude comments, including one particularly crude remark about First Lady
Laura Bush. In that case, Bush, nodding toward Laura, called her a “c**t.”

While Bush’s drinking is no secret to the White House press contingent, that
particular comment was reportedly the worst they have heard uttered by Bush.
Our sources also report that Laura Bush’s stays at the White House are less
frequent and that her overnight trips to the Mayflower Hotel often coincide
with the president’s drunken binges….”

link

selise @ 95

thanks howie and angie… off to dwt…. but, before i go – one good piece of info is that jim told me that speaker pelosi has promised there will be a vote on a stand alone bill to tell bush he can’t attack iran w/out congressional approval. i had read reports of this, but it was nice to have it confirmed.

Brava!

newtonusr @ 94

I have Lantos (Fool-CA) as my rep. And there are no hugs coming from that pugnacious war-monger. A little envy from the CA-12th.

i know i am very lucky to be represented by jim mcgovern. that doesn’t mean i always agree with him (we’ve gotten into it a bit over israel/palestine)… but i don’t think i’d trade him in for anyone else.

Good point. Alberto Gonzales has demonstrated that he should not be permitted to remain at the DOJ. But he is not really among the high value targets who most deserve to be removed from office.

He’s chafe, ejected from the aircraft to distract oncoming missiles. The high value targets who most deserve investigation, and probably removal from office, use RNC e-mail servers, and are in the OVP and EOP.

gaspard @ 97

This vile man turns my stomach!

“March 13, 2007 –Our White House Press Corps sources report further
disturbing news about President George W. Bush. Our sources have witnessed a
clearly inebriated Bush approaching members of the press corps and making
rude comments, including one particularly crude remark about First Lady
Laura Bush. In that case, Bush, nodding toward Laura, called her a “c**t.”

While Bush’s drinking is no secret to the White House press contingent, that
particular comment was reportedly the worst they have heard uttered by Bush.
Our sources also report that Laura Bush’s stays at the White House are less
frequent and that her overnight trips to the Mayflower Hotel often coincide
with the president’s drunken binges….”

link

Bush family values in action! Republicans, you must be so proud of your boy king.

recovering lurker @ 53

Renee in Ohio @ 36

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

Dry drunk syndrome? Google it.

Yup, a so called person who is abstaining, but doesn’t have a program of recovery.

TiredFed @ 86

Oklahoma kiddo @
59

The view here is that the Bush situation is not all that complicated. Rich (not self earned wealth, mind you), spoiled brat.

and dont forget, he’s a bully.

I looked up “Self-absorbed, smarmy FRAT BOY” in the dictionary and saw his photo…

gaspard @ 97

This vile man turns my stomach!

“March 13, 2007 –Our White House Press Corps sources report further
disturbing news about President George W. Bush. Our sources have witnessed a
clearly inebriated Bush approaching members of the press corps and making
rude comments, including one particularly crude remark about First Lady
Laura Bush. In that case, Bush, nodding toward Laura, called her a “c**t.”

While Bush’s drinking is no secret to the White House press contingent, that
particular comment was reportedly the worst they have heard uttered by Bush.
Our sources also report that Laura Bush’s stays at the White House are less
frequent and that her overnight trips to the Mayflower Hotel often coincide
with the president’s drunken binges….”

link

How accurate is he, it seems like we’d be hearing more of this from other sources. I mean it was common knowledge that Nixon was tanked his whole time in office, but all we hear is that w is a dry drunk, not an active one

Frank Probst @ 87

They’re supposed to use their government e-mail addresses for official government business. However, breaking the law and firing people to obstruct justice fall outside the realm of official government business, so from a legal standpoint, they were correct to use personal e-mail accounts for these interactions.

Using outside communications systems to evade record-keeping seems like strong evidence that they knew they were involved in wrongdoing. Kinda reminds me of how we heard during Fitzgerald’s investigation that White House aides had taken to using prepaid throwaway cell phones.

Just like the terrorists.

conniptionfit @
5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

Well, I went right over there (clicked the link) and contributed.

I’m glad to know Carol better and will look forward to more info on her & possible future work/contriubting on her behalf.

Am I the only one not impressed with maher’s credentials? Here is a man who repeatedly conflated Gore & Bush in 2000 (remember “Gush” and “Bore”?), and in effect helped give Bush a leg up. Repeatedly put Ann Coulter in front of a huge mainstream audience with no apologies and no rebuttal. Repeatedly saves a seat for any Right-wing nutcase capable of slithering onto his set to mouth Republican talking points. Repeatedly talks crap about Democrats and “the Left” without lifting a rhetorical finger against the Republican leadership or the Right. Sure, he talks a good game against Bush now, where was he 6 years ago when it would have mattered? Easy to join the party late, let’s not give him any break for it.

Even today, he plays rhetorical games. Last week he rails against Bush, then ends with calling Dems “mediocre” (presumably because they have failed to stand up sufficiently to the Administration and put in place a timeline to bring the troops home). I don’t see how failing to stand up to evil is equivalent to perpetrating evil. This week he calls Republicans “macho, but naive.” I would infinitely prefer to be called naive to mediocre. Even the formulation is false–His mediocre comment is clearly directed against the Dem leadership, while his naive comment seems aimed at Republican votes. After 12 years of Republican control of both houses of Congress, he can’t muster *any* comments on the results of Republican leadership? It’s painfully easy to mock Bush these days, with his proven record of incompetence and sub-30% approval. Bush is a symptom of the problems of Republicanism and the modern Right, not the cause. Republicanism will give us more leaders of Bush’s caliber if we don’t address the underlying issues: Intellectual dishonesty, willingness to say/do anything to win elections, influence of corporate/religious/moneyed groups willing to buy special treatment at the expense of the greater populace, lack of respect for good government, hyper-partisanship including the demonization of your enemies, victimization techniques such as the “liberal media” charge, tax cuts/gay marriage/terrorism/host of other issues used to bash Dems to ensure victory–let’s hear maher discuss these issues week after week, and hammer home the underlying issues of the modern Right rather than picking on one unpopular president out of his depth, but installed by a Republican machine devoted only to power for its own sake.

–Brian

This of course is no surprise here:

Bush, key senator still backing Gonzales

“He has always been straightforward and honest with me,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah. “So, unless there is clear evidence that the attorney general deliberately lied or misled Congress, I see no reason to call for his resignation.”

tbsa @ 102

recovering lurker @ 53

Renee in Ohio @ 36

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

Dry drunk syndrome? Google it.

Yup, a so called person who is abstaining, but doesn’t have a program of recovery.

There can also be organic brain danage if the amounts of ETOH consumed are extreely high, over a long period of time. Scans show that you can literally dissolve parts of the frontal lobe, can also be known as ETOH dementia, not a doctor, just play one on tv

Hearts go out to you, selise. However, I have Lantos (Fool-CA) as my rep. And there are no hugs coming from that pugnacious war-monger. A little envy from the CA-12th.

No doubt, I am stuck with Devin Nunes, 21st CD, worthless warmonger as well. Sick of reps who call themselves dems but are nothing but republic party want to be’s.

gaspard @ 97

This vile man turns my stomach!

“March 13, 2007 –Our White House Press Corps sources report further
disturbing news about President George W. Bush. Our sources have witnessed a
clearly inebriated Bush approaching members of the press corps and making
rude comments, including one particularly crude remark about First Lady
Laura Bush. In that case, Bush, nodding toward Laura, called her a “c**t.”

While Bush’s drinking is no secret to the White House press contingent, that
particular comment was reportedly the worst they have heard uttered by Bush.
Our sources also report that Laura Bush’s stays at the White House are less
frequent and that her overnight trips to the Mayflower Hotel often coincide
with the president’s drunken binges….”

link

Is there any chance that this is true? I mean, a real, factual account of Chimpy saying this, actually being inebriated, openly, in front of the WH press corps? Is anyone setting aside the “we’re gonna get the fucker now” argument and suggesting that “the press corps’ duty now is to step up for the preservation of our Republic?”

Terry Olson @ 52:

Funny! I’ve never seen such a colorful military group before or since Mission Accomplished.

I didn’t know the Tellytubbies had joined the service!!

I guess no one “asked.”

newtonusr @
94

selise @
66

conniptionfit @ 5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

i thought it was a good idea for me to refrain from participating… i’m still so upset and angry about the house vote yesterday to provide supplemental funding for the war… i knew i couldn’t participate w/o saying something about that… and i don’t think carol needed to be hearing from me on that subject.

… i did have a good talk with my own rep (jim mcgovern – who i think very well of) about it this afternoon. it was distressing (i started bawling and couldn’t stop)… and i don’t know if i feel better or worse now.

Hearts go out to you, selise. However, I have Lantos (Fool-CA) as my rep. And there are no hugs coming from that pugnacious war-monger. A little envy from the CA-12th.

Try having the wondrous Lamar Smith, (R-Idiotville/TX)…I’m back in one of those districts that’s so conservative I’m a commie. I’m always far less agitated when in a district so liberal that I’m a moderate :})

Oklahoma kiddo @ 108

This of course is no surprise here:

Bush, key senator still backing Gonzales

“He has always been straightforward and honest with me,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah. “So, unless there is clear evidence that the attorney general deliberately lied or misled Congress, I see no reason to call for his resignation.”

How about yours, Orrin? We could use a real human being in the Senate from Utah.

Wil @ 109
tbsa @ 102
recovering lurker @ 53
Renee in Ohio @ 36

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

——————————————

Dry drunk syndrome? Google it.

——————————————–
Yup, a so called person who is abstaining, but doesn’t have a program of recovery.

———————————————
There can also be organic brain danage if the amounts of ETOH consumed are extreely high, over a long period of time. Scans show that you can literally dissolve parts of the frontal lobe, can also be known as ETOH dementia, not a doctor, just play one on tv

——————————————-
I think I’ve heard the term used as “wet brain.”

Brian @ 107

Am I the only one not impressed with maher’s credentials?

–Brian

Brian-
I haven’t heard anyone suggest he run for public office. He just lit into ChimpCo like a hurricane last night, and it was more than amusing to watch.

gaspard says,

I’ve placed that March 13th waynemadsenreport.com item in several blogs over the past ten days and had no response. The White House purportedly denied the incident without comment on March 14th.

I am not interested in whether Mr. Bush publicly refers to his wife by using the most guttural slang about the female anatomy left in the English language. That would not surprise me.

I am interested in whether Mr. Bush, an obsessive compulsive alcoholic who cannot change his mind or admit error, is no longer dry. That would reduce his inhibitions and further impair his judgment.

Mr. Bush has his finger on the nuclear button. He is in command of major combat operations in the Middle East. He makes life and death decisions every day. If he is drinking again, it’s a matter of national security and public concern. If this is happening and the WH press corps knows about it, but is keeping quiet, that’s another scandal.

Frank Probst @
87

katymine @ 67

Help save me…. still reading through the comments of the DOJ document review over at TPMmuckraker….

Interesting points…. why are DOJ employees using Yahoo email addy?

Christy…. can you address the issue of government employees using NON gov. email addresses for Government business?

Anyone want an eyeopener on poor business practices put into government emails go take a gander. Didn’t anyone learn appropriate business language? Some of these people sound totally inept.

link

They’re supposed to use their government e-mail addresses for official government business. However, breaking the law and firing people to obstruct justice fall outside the realm of official government business, so from a legal standpoint, they were correct to use personal e-mail accounts for these interactions.

IANAL but seems to me to pretty much preclude the presidential privilege WRT harriet and karl testifying

Oh crap, sorry about the margins….
My bad!

gaspard @ 97

This vile man turns my stomach!

“March 13, 2007 –Our White House Press Corps sources report further
disturbing news about President George W. Bush. Our sources have witnessed a
clearly inebriated Bush approaching members of the press corps and making
rude comments, including one particularly crude remark about First Lady
Laura Bush. In that case, Bush, nodding toward Laura, called her a “c**t.”

While Bush’s drinking is no secret to the White House press contingent, that
particular comment was reportedly the worst they have heard uttered by Bush.
Our sources also report that Laura Bush’s stays at the White House are less
frequent and that her overnight trips to the Mayflower Hotel often coincide
with the president’s drunken binges….”

link

Anybody know anything about the credibility of Wayne Madsen’s reporting?

Here’s a bite-size summation of the USA firings:
http://www.usatoday.com/printe…..23.art.htm

Brian @ 107
Am I the only one who thinks you didn’t read most of the comments here?

I’m sure you didn’t read mine.

newtonusr @ 111

gaspard @ 97

This vile man turns my stomach!

“March 13, 2007 –Our White House Press Corps sources report further
disturbing news about President George W. Bush. Our sources have witnessed a
clearly inebriated Bush approaching members of the press corps and making
rude comments, including one particularly crude remark about First Lady
Laura Bush. In that case, Bush, nodding toward Laura, called her a “c**t.”

While Bush’s drinking is no secret to the White House press contingent, that
particular comment was reportedly the worst they have heard uttered by Bush.
Our sources also report that Laura Bush’s stays at the White House are less
frequent and that her overnight trips to the Mayflower Hotel often coincide
with the president’s drunken binges….”

link

Is there any chance that this is true? I mean, a real, factual account of Chimpy saying this, actually being inebriated, openly, in front of the WH press corps? Is anyone setting aside the “we’re gonna get the fucker now” argument and suggesting that “the press corps’ duty now is to step up for the preservation of our Republic?”

I admit it, as much as I hate Bush and everything he and his cabal has done to this country and the world, this really shocked me. I have heard from political dem friends in DC and a reporter I know that he has been going on binges for awhile now. This kind of news must not be getting out because Bush still holds so many strings. But it should . The American public needs to know what the hell is going on!

Quoting Tiredfed:

1. It shouldnt matter whether email was on govt server or yahoo, all such are govt. property and are subject to Congressional oversight (sent to govt. email address by govt. employee on official govt. business).
2. My agency just recently gave us Internet access to email servers at work. So, up until then, would have used private account for email from home. I’m not a crackberry addict, so my only option would have been yahoo or whatever.

Umm, No!

There is that little thing called the Presidential Records Act that requires them to use government email for conducting government business. Its secure and a trail can be maintained for the historic record.

Government email is secure, unless you count Bush’s spying on citizens as he thinks he is entitled to do. Can you imagine security sensitive government business being conducted via email as insecure as Yahoo? Its a different matter if its personal, but the peoples business should be conducted on government servers. Its the law.

Just another example of the Bush clan’s disregard for the laws of the land.

I posted the opening of Bill Maher’s Real Time and the new rules Here First on FDL late last night in the open thread. I’ve added the entire David Frum nonsense, the Bernie Sanders interview and the ZBIG interview as well.
Enjoy FDLers!

JT

http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/906/
PART TWO OF FRUM INTERVIEW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwM0MF26BSE

Some very interesting reading available at ICH today and two videos as well. One is of our military members killing civilians ;( and the other is the best smackdown of O’Liely that I have ever seen by Sunsara Taylor of worldcantwait. She just nails him!

http://www.informationclearing…..index.html

Wil @
93

jacqrat

I just sent you my details.

This community amazes me. Why was a lurker for so long. The support and encouragement I’ve gotten here over the last few weeks has come close to bringing me to tears on a couple of occasions, and the kicks in the ass to get off the blog and go to interviews for jobs I didn’t want, but desperately needed were well received.

Thanks, pups.
Wil

Stay connected, keep doing what feeds your soul. The money will follow (in God(dess’) time, not yours.

{{{{{{{{{Wil}}}}}}}}}}

Bush and ‘the boys’ along with the Brits have got to be loving this. “increasingly isolated”?

UNITED NATIONS – The U.N. Security Council unanimously voted Saturday to impose new sanctions against Iran for its refusal to stop enriching uranium — a move intended to show Tehran that defiance will leave it increasingly isolated.

Terry Olson @
120

gaspard @ 97

This vile man turns my stomach!

“March 13, 2007 –Our White House Press Corps sources report further
disturbing news about President George W. Bush. Our sources have witnessed a
clearly inebriated Bush approaching members of the press corps and making
rude comments, including one particularly crude remark about First Lady
Laura Bush. In that case, Bush, nodding toward Laura, called her a “c**t.”

While Bush’s drinking is no secret to the White House press contingent, that
particular comment was reportedly the worst they have heard uttered by Bush.
Our sources also report that Laura Bush’s stays at the White House are less
frequent and that her overnight trips to the Mayflower Hotel often coincide
with the president’s drunken binges….”

link

Anybody know anything about the credibility of Wayne Madsen’s reporting?

Here’s a bite-size summation of the USA firings:
http://www.usatoday.com/printe…..23.art.htm

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
.

Wayne Madsen is full of crap. (Probably didn’t need to be said – but I did anyway).

Gaspard:

Mr. Bush has his finger on the nuclear button. He is in command of major combat operations in the Middle East. He makes life and death decisions every day. If he is drinking again, it’s a matter of national security and public concern. If this is happening and the WH press corps knows about it, but is keeping quiet, that’s another scandal.

I admit it, as much as I hate Bush and everything he and his cabal has done to this country and the world, this really shocked me. I have heard from political dem friends in DC and a reporter I know that he has been going on binges for awhile now. This kind of news must not be getting out because Bush still holds so many strings. But it should . The American public needs to know what the hell is going on!

And from what I hear, the President’s excrement is never left where anyone could test it. He has his own personal portapotties when he travels and it leaves with him.

neurophius @ 63

I am not willing to let Bush off the hook lightly by blaming his behavior on alcoholism (although that could have been a contributing factor). I believe he has some fundamental character flaws that go way back.

For clarification, by “way back” do you mean starting 9 months prior to birth?

Renee in Ohio says
March 24th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

It is called wet brain, and it aint pretty but I think bushes problems are not that. He has no conscience, no ability to really feel anything. I even think that is part of what makes it difficult for him when he speaks, what he is saying is not what he is thinking and he gets tripped up, because if he told the truth, we would be horrified.

John Tully @ 124

I posted the opening of Bill Maher’s Real Time and the new rules Here First on FDL late last night in the open thread. I’ve added the entire David Frum nonsense, the Bernie Sanders interview and the ZBIG interview as well.
Enjoy FDLers!

JT

http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/906/
PART TWO OF FRUM INTERVIEW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwM0MF26BSE

Thanks John – Bill really smokes him.

I am not willing to let Bush off the hook lightly by blaming his behavior on alcoholism (although that could have been a contributing factor). I believe he has some fundamental character flaws that go way back.

Part of recovery is identifying your character defects and applying principals that keep one’s own will from self seeking, self centered machinations. IMHO, bush is no longer “dry.” I wouldn’t doubt that he is drinking to the extent that he doesn’t remember what the hell he’s doing.

Maddy @ 132

Renee in Ohio says
March 24th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

It is called wet brain, and it aint pretty but I think bushes problems are not that. He has no conscience, no ability to really feel anything. I even think that is part of what makes it difficult for him when he speaks, what he is saying is not what he is thinking and he gets tripped up, because if he told the truth, we would be horrified.

>

I posted the same thing upthread.

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citizen92 over at the big orange has a diary up about the National Security threat posed by turdblossom using the gwb43 email system instead of the gov’t one…

interesting angle.

Maddy @ 132

Renee in Ohio says
March 24th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

Not alcoholism–there’s some word for the damage that comes from years of that. Um, “alcohol related program activities”? No, that’s something else…

It is called wet brain, and it aint pretty but I think bushes problems are not that. He has no conscience, no ability to really feel anything. I even think that is part of what makes it difficult for him when he speaks, what he is saying is not what he is thinking and he gets tripped up, because if he told the truth, we would be horrified.

When someone is raised w/ no accountability, well this is how they turn out. It’s almost a sure thing. shrub has never been held to account for any thing he’s ever done. It’s like a virus and until we find a cure, we are at his mercy, couple that with shooter and sheese, what a mess. I long for my country.

George Bush- Dry Drunk

Re Madsen I would differentiate between facts and his conclusions.

His reasoning and conclusions can wander off the path quite a bit.

However he gets his facts from let’s just say some people that know what they’re talking about. Not every source pans out but he has brought to light some very major stuff over the last couple years.

Tap Duncan @ 138

George Bush- Dry Drunk

IMO, George Bush = practicing alcoholic.

tbsa @ 134

I am not willing to let Bush off the hook lightly by blaming his behavior on alcoholism (although that could have been a contributing factor). I believe he has some fundamental character flaws that go way back.

Part of recovery is identifying your character defects and applying principals that keep one’s own will from self seeking, self centered machinations. IMHO, bush is no longer “dry.” I wouldn’t doubt that he is drinking to the extent that he doesn’t remember what the hell he’s doing.

He’s probably drinking again out of sheer boredom. It’s no fun being a Puppet Preznit when no one likes you much.

Lindy@130:

And from what I hear, the President’s excrement is never left where anyone could test it. He has his own personal portapotties when he travels and it leaves with him.

As much as I detest Bush’s actions, I sympathize with him on this one.

If my only friend were a gerbil, I’d do just about anything to keep ‘em.

The secret lives of Mr. Bush. I imagine that there is so much WE don’t know but Other People know (like Cheney) that he can be blackmailed with, this stuff coming out now-even if they are rumours which I doubt- his press office waves it away like flies…
but the other stuff, the blackmail material stuff, probably drives him to drink more than the screams from the hell of his Iraq.

annx @
129

Wayne Madsen is full of crap. (Probably didn’t need to be said – but I did anyway).

Don’t be shy. Say what you really mean. Could you support that conclusion with a few facts?

Wet Brain? Dry Drunk? Or just ASSHOLE???

I’m surprised more hasn’t been written about shrub’s behavior yesterday at the presser… I’ve never seen him so steamed, I don’t think – he was just on the razor’s edge of rage – seems like someone looking at him crosswise would have set him completely off.

OT A man named Bill Mcdanell is walking from San Diego to DC on his own dime with a petition to end this war. He is carrying a cell phone and he answers it. Give him a call and tell him how you feel.
Bill- 619-792-5292
He has a website It is http://www.wtetw.com w/ the phone # so I’m not giving out something I shouldn’t. He’s a brave man, a good man.

Karl’s purge study?

Man things are looking terrible for them. Someone told me that Karl Rove did a careful analysis of why the Republicans lost the last election and found it was Republican scandals that were uncovered in key districts. Then he purged the prosecutors in those districts. We’ll be hearing more of this.

Anyway, Karl’s solution – to purge the prosecutors instead of cleaning up the Republicans’ acts – is exactly the problem. The Republicans need to change their attitude to avert disaster in 2008. They need to fix their party rather than just trying to cover up their flaws. They can’t or won’t do it. The problem is their leadership. It’s rotten. The best thing for the Republicans in the long run would be to impeach and remove Bush/Cheney before they can do more damage, fire our AG, and see Rove held accountable for his illegal acts. Boehner and the other rotten Republican leadership in Congress also need to come to God or hit the road.

But all indications are the Republicans will not clean up their act and actually focus on doing a good job for America. Instead, it will just be more of the same from these Republicans. They are just digging their own . . .

Maher was good. With the caveat, that I would rather have heard Mr. Maher plug Gore, or Edwards, or Pelosi for prez. at the end, rather than a particular Senator from NY.

OldCoastie @ 146

I’m surprised more hasn’t been written about shrub’s behavior yesterday at the presser… I’ve never seen him so steamed, I don’t think – he was just on the razor’s edge of rage – seems like someone looking at him crosswise would have set him completely off.

I have avoided listening to W for a long, long time, but this sounds interesting…
I’ll check C&L.

I understand the ‘Jesus Shield’ for alcoholics not in recovery proportionately decreases for every 10,000 civilian deaths you are responsible for.

Terry Olson @ 150

OldCoastie @ 146

I’m surprised more hasn’t been written about shrub’s behavior yesterday at the presser… I’ve never seen him so steamed, I don’t think – he was just on the razor’s edge of rage – seems like someone looking at him crosswise would have set him completely off.

I have avoided listening to W for a long, long time, but this sounds interesting…
I’ll check C&L.

I can’t watch him with the sound on, but even without sound the body language is very interesting.

mrobinsong @
21

… I like John Dean’s take.

By JOHN W. DEAN
It Seems Likely Bush, with Fielding, Will Go to the Wall on Executive Privilege

This time, it is my belief that Bush — unlike Reagan before him — will not blink. He will not let Fielding strike a deal, as Fielding did for Reagan. Rather, Bush feels that he has his manhood on the line.

such as it is…

…Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem.

My take on this one is “fine, let him go to his Wall.” There’s no shame in losing over and over in a just cause, and this one is definitely one of them. It’s a situation where losing is better than not fighting.

In some ways, we’ve lost the Plame Wars so far, in that their real crime has gone unpunished, but we gotten an amazing amount of mileage out of the fight. It’s the same thing here. Who cares if Alberto stays or goes? What matters is displaying the processes they use to subvert the Democratic process, and blocking the avenue for the future.

For that matter, it’s the same thing with the House Vote on ending the War. Let him veto it all he wants to. He just looks more and more like a stubborn foolish little boy. One day, one of these things is going to stick. Who cares which one? There’s a chink in this Unitary Executive Armor somewhere, and each assault brings out more and more information, undermines more and more of his support.

John Dean might be right. He’s got a knack for that. Harriet Miers may well be the Alexander Butterfield of the New American Century, and that would be such a delicious irony…

Oklahoma kiddo @ 148

Maher was good. With the caveat, that I would rather have heard Mr. Maher plug Gore, or Edwards, or Pelosi for prez. at the end, rather than a particular Senator from NY.

Well, I thought he was saying that Hillary should shove the Bush line – restoring honor and integrity, et al – right back in his face. I don’t get the sense he’s a big Hillary fan.

rwcole @ 145

Wet Brain? Dry Drunk? Or just ASSHOLE???

The reason this needs to be addressed, if true, is that the symptomology of ETOH dementia (wet brain) is fucking scary. I’n a lot of ways it can mimic traumatic brain injury, little or no impules control, cognative impairment (demonstrated) and the like. Combine that with the fact that he also may have a personality disorder (anti-social, IMO) and you have one scary fucker with access to nukes.

Any better trained medical/BH folks out there?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 149

Maher was good. With the caveat, that I would rather have heard Mr. Maher plug Gore, or Edwards, or Pelosi for prez. at the end, rather than a particular Senator from NY.

Sure, but since it was a play on Bush taking over from Bill, the line worked better with a Clinton.

(He has given some indications of favoring Hillary in the past, but I think it this case the motivation was artistic rather than political.)

Mutant Poodle @ 154

Oklahoma kiddo @ 148

Maher was good. With the caveat, that I would rather have heard Mr. Maher plug Gore, or Edwards, or Pelosi for prez. at the end, rather than a particular Senator from NY.

Well, I thought he was saying that Hillary should shove the Bush line – restoring honor and integrity, et al – right back in his face. I don’t get the sense he’s a big Hillary fan.

Perhaps you’re right. ;0)

I couldn’t look at him and listen at the same time. I really gave it a try.

Who were those people with the funny hats standing behind him?

Redshift @ 156

Oklahoma kiddo @ 149

Maher was good. With the caveat, that I would rather have heard Mr. Maher plug Gore, or Edwards, or Pelosi for prez. at the end, rather than a particular Senator from NY.

Sure, but since it was a play on Bush taking over from Bill, the line worked better with a Clinton.

(He has given some indications of favoring Hillary in the past, but I think it this case the motivation was artistic rather than political.)

Could be you are correct. ;0)

howieklein @
64

I’m always looking for books and CDs to offer as premiums for donors and I try to do a match every week. But I bet you– and others– will have ideas that can make it better. I want those ideas.

How about software? Maybe something in the “[Winamp, etc]visualizer” department. Something to download for a few bucks…

tbsa @ 140- Spot on, in my opinion people who choose prayer groups over 12 step programs are selling themselves short. To each his own, but the 12 steps are designed to give you back that feeling you had before you started using. In my opinion he took the easy way out. no 4th or 5th, no 8th or 9th. no 10-11-12. If you can’t work them in your personal life, your professional life is doomed. Sound familiar? Sound like anyone we know?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 96

One thing that very much bothers me about the Dems, is will my party actively pursue a fair and just peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians if we win the WH back? Or will it just be more of the same? If so, I will possibly become angry.

If it is Hillary, is there any doubt in your mind?

I think the 12 steps also give you an inkling of why you started drinking (psychological reasons) but being ’saved’ just gives you a doctrinal pile of fluff.

Wil @
155

… that he also may have a personality disorder (anti-social, IMO) and you have one scary fucker with access to nukes.

Any better trained medical/BH folks out there?

Yeah. It’s a classic: Narcissistic Personality Disorder with Paranoid Features

Wil @ 155

It would be scary if Bush were in charge of anything. He’s not. When the WH thought it was under attack from a plane in restricted air space, no one even notified Bush, who was out riding his bike. He’s not needed at the WH and I doubt anyone listens to him.

clinton, obama, edwards all say ‘all options are on the table when it comes to iran.’

so regarding a fresh start for the mideast. uh, no.

I’m guilty of this, too. This kind of thing rolls around in my head, and occasionally spills out in conversations about ChimpCo…
Bush, drinking, etc:
I’m not talking about whether this could be true. Was Nixon shit-faced a lot? I don’t know. Did Bubba otherwise offend Paula Jones or Katherine Wiley? I don’t know. Do Chimpy and Shooter actually believe they are acting in the Nation’s best interests? Seems unlikely, but I don’t know.
Point is, if we actually believe this kind of reporting (Capitol Hill Blue, Madsen, etc), if this stuff is actually true, and the press corps knows about this shit, where do the press’ responsibility to keep quiet about Chimpy’s private issues and the responsibility they have as “the 4th Estate” intersect? David Gregory, Dana Priest, Dan Froomkin – care to comment?
This is scary if true. It’s not just a hammer to use on the administration – it’s actually very bad news for the planet. And if it’s just apocryphal, it needs to be knocked back. I for one don’t want to be associated with what may turn out to be rumor-mongering and smears against even the worst-of-the-worst. If we act like them, we become them.

Mickey @ 164

Wil @
155

… that he also may have a personality disorder (anti-social, IMO) and you have one scary fucker with access to nukes.

Any better trained medical/BH folks out there?

Yeah. It’s a classic: Narcissistic Personality Disorder with Paranoid Features

why are you trying to kill me???????? :-(

that was one mighty fine invection by Mr. Maher.

george foreman’s grill.

bill maher’s invection oven.

Rocket Scientist @ 162

Oklahoma kiddo @ 96

One thing that very much bothers me about the Dems, is will my party actively pursue a fair and just peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians if we win the WH back? Or will it just be more of the same? If so, I will possibly become angry.

If it is Hillary, is there any doubt in your mind?

No.

Mabel’s Wig Shack @
170

george foreman’s grill.

bill maher’s invection oven.

…well vented

From Wiki for anti-social, I can’t think of a better mnemonic to describe him:
A mnemonic that can be used to remember the criteria for antisocial personality disorder is CORRUPT[3][4]:

C – cannot follow law
O – obligations ignored
R – remorselessness
R – recklessness
U – underhandedness
P – planning deficit
T – temper

What is bothersome respective of a U.S. attack on Iran, is, among other things, this U.N. decision today, and how the Bush people will interpret it:

U.N. unanimously approves Iran sanctions

Badwater @ 165

Wil @ 155

It would be scary if Bush were in charge of anything. He’s not. When the WH thought it was under attack from a plane in restricted air space, no one even notified Bush, who was out riding his bike. He’s not needed at the WH and I doubt anyone listens to him.

This country, and the entire world are in such a mess that I actually take your observation as somewhat comforting. I think I better lie down.

punaise @ 172

Mabel’s Wig Shack @
170

george foreman’s grill.

bill maher’s invection oven.

…well vented

I’m trying desperately to connect ‘vent’ to ‘air guitar’ in a pun and can’t do it!!!

new thread from Jane.

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 166

clinton, obama, edwards all say ‘all options are on the table when it comes to iran.’

so regarding a fresh start for the mideast. uh, no.

I find this really troubling. For those who admitted they made a mistake on the vote re: war in Iraq, it seems like they could make the same damn misike about Iran. And I don’t like what I have heard from any of them regarding the Palestinians.

Mickey @ 164

Wil @
155

… that he also may have a personality disorder (anti-social, IMO) and you have one scary fucker with access to nukes.

Any better trained medical/BH folks out there?

Yeah. It’s a classic: Narcissistic Personality Disorder with Paranoid Features

Wow, Micky. That was hard hitting.

Wil @ 173

From Wiki for anti-social, I can’t think of a better mnemonic to describe him:
A mnemonic that can be used to remember the criteria for antisocial personality disorder is CORRUPT[3][4]:

C – cannot follow law
O – obligations ignored
R – remorselessness
R – recklessness
U – underhandedness
P – planning deficit
T – temper

B – basically
A – a
S – sanctimonious
T – truth-challenged
A – arrogant
R – repugnant
D – dickhead

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 176

george foreman’s grill.

bill maher’s invection oven.

…well vented

I’m trying desperately to connect ‘vent’ to ‘air guitar’ in a pun and can’t do it!!!

some things are just never meant to be

Mickey @ 153 “My take on this one is “fine, let him go to his Wall.” There’s no shame in losing over and over in a just cause, and this one is definitely one of them. It’s a situation where losing is better than not fighting. “

I’m with Mickey. Let’s fight smart. ‘We’ need to figure out the best way to get the evidence we believe is there.

punaise @ 181

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 176

george foreman’s grill.

bill maher’s invection oven.

…well vented

I’m trying desperately to connect ‘vent’ to ‘air guitar’ in a pun and can’t do it!!!

some things are just never meant to be

I loved the vid…but it reminds me the last guy who mentioned that Bush was a traitor did a head first off a 11 story building…when he lived on the third…Shoul Bill have a “accident” we would know why

egregious @
139

Re Madsen I would differentiate between facts and his conclusions.

His reasoning and conclusions can wander off the path quite a bit.

However he gets his facts from let’s just say some people that know what they’re talking about. Not every source pans out but he has brought to light some very major stuff over the last couple years.

Madsen is nothing if not strident, but that would not alarm anyone on this site. He is apparently a computer expert and privacy advocate, with twenty odd years with the NSA, Navy Intelligence, EPIC, etc. It would not be unusual if his prior contacts still chat with him.

Perhaps rather than be drawn to the Dark Side and Mr. Cheney, Mr. Madsen has been drawn to the Force. I would be strident, too, if I had worked on the inside for twenty years, and knew what the Karl Rove’s and Donald Segretti’s do for their millions (or their sentences), and how unlikely it was that John and Jill Q. Public would believe it.

punaise @ 181

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 176

george foreman’s grill.

bill maher’s invection oven.

…well vented

I’m trying desperately to connect ‘vent’ to ‘air guitar’ in a pun and can’t do it!!!

some things are just never meant to be

Playing air guitar is a non e vent

Tap Duncan @ 161

tbsa @ 140- Spot on, in my opinion people who choose prayer groups over 12 step programs are selling themselves short. To each his own, but the 12 steps are designed to give you back that feeling you had before you started using. In my opinion he took the easy way out. no 4th or 5th, no 8th or 9th. no 10-11-12. If you can’t work them in your personal life, your professional life is doomed. Sound familiar? Sound like anyone we know?

Exactly! I’ve seen a great many people recover in 12 steps, and a vast majority of those tried church first to no avail. It is too bad that those who surround him would be okay with someone as dangerous as this with his finger on the nuke button.

I posted the same thing upthread.

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Sorry I missed it and thanks..I don’t know all the etiquette and protocol as yet, so please if I am doing it wrong, I appreciate a nudge in the right direction.

Maddy @ 187

I posted the same thing upthread.

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Sorry I missed it and thanks..I don’t know all the etiquette and protocol as yet, so please if I am doing it wrong, I appreciate a nudge in the right direction.

You’ll get the hang of it, I am pretty new here as well. The Lake is amazing. The people here are the best!

mbbsdphil@184 and egregious @139
agree with you.

My take on Madsen is that he is definitely worth reading. I don’t always agree with his point of view about everything, so what? – it is compelling to consider what he has to say. He offers a unique blend of insight and quality of information that’s so obviously lacking in the political press.

Thanks Christy and twolf1 for the Bill Maher clip.

conniptionfit @
15

Renee in Ohio @ 13

Not a president, but he plays one on TV.

And NOT very convincingly!

Here’s a great Bush video collage link from my husband the Zappa fan

dakin1:

“Try having the wondrous Lamar Smith, (R-Idiotville/TX)…I’m back in one of those districts that’s so conservative I’m a commie. I’m always far less agitated when in a district so liberal that I’m a moderate :}) “

Where are you? I’m another one stuck w/ Lamar – no point calling/writing him. But I’m in San Antonio, so I don’t feel so lonely as you.
Of course, before I moved, I was in Charlie Gonzalez’s district – quite a change.

Thanks for the Maher clip, Christy. Maher still has a big following from the time when “Politically Incorrect” was on broadcast TV.

Maher’s appeal as far as I can tell is that he strays decisively from the talking points. Maher was something of a “libertarian without portfolio”. That appealed to lots of young people sickened with politicians. He would just as easily bring on Molly Ivins as Ann Coulter, as I recall. And he frequently called out Coulter on her absurdities.

And we have to remember what got Maher’s show pulled from the air…that statement about how dropping bombs on civilians from 10,000 feet shouldn’t be called “heroic”…and that crashing an airplane into the WTC took a lot more heroism.

While I actually disagree with the latter statement (if one really believes that there is reward in the afterlife for martyrdom then it can be quite easy to crash a plane into a building), he did have a point that was worthy of being heard. But people didn’t want to “go there” and really try and understand WHY these attacks occurred.

BTW- The wingbats seem to already be counter-attacking with lies. There’s already a comment on the YouTube site that asserts that Plame testified that she WASN’T a COVERT AGENT IN the US! And that Armitage was the first to out her!

Yes the idiot who responded actually said it was okay to expose Plame as long as it was done “in the US”! I guess if a foreign journalist had done so we’d use US law to convict them in absentia…or maybe Bush would use “forced rendition” to haul them back here!

And the wingbat doesn’t seem to fathom that Armitage WAS a Bush appointee, a signatory of the Neo-Cons PNAC “line in the sand” letter to Clinton demanding the US oust Saddam because he posed a risk to Israel and had WMD’s. We still don’t know who gave Armitage Plame’s identity…partially due to Libby’s perjury and obstruction.

Punaise?

Here’s the actual text of the what one of the 15%ers responded to Mher’s commentary. These people must be taking jello-shots of the Kool-Aid!

“DoubleGauss (1 hour ago)
Hey Bill, you ASSHOLE. Did you even listen to Valerie Plame’s testimony ? She was *NOT* a covert agent, her identity was NOT protected inside the united states, and therefore NO crime was committed. And how come the name Richard Armitage is never mentioned, the guy who actually “leaked” her identity ? Simple, because your objective is to get Bush or Cheney, not some no name guy. You fucking whining liberals.”

Sad to think that all those neurons that were once functional in the respondants childhood have now been replaced by decayed fecal matter.

Terry Olson – from the current thread upstairs:

when you “quote this comment” it automatically places what I call bookend commands around the comment in question. these appear as [blockquote] and [*blockquote], except I just substituted square brackets for the parentheses and an asterisk for the forward slash – to keep it from disappearing in this comment. The “quote” tab above the comment editing box performs the same function for any selected text.

In order to comment about a portion of a quoted comment – i.e. directly below it – you have to break up the single quoted comment into a series of quotes, using the respective blockquote commands.

hope that helps.

(see what I meant about a non-techie description?)

punaise @
196

Terry Olsen – from the current thread upstairs:

when you “quote this comment” it automatically places what I call bookend commands around the comment in question. these appear as [blockquote] and [*blockquote], except I just substituted square brackets for the parentheses and an asterisk for the forward slash – to keep it from disappearing in this comment. The “quote” tab above the comment editing box performs the same function for any selected text.

In order to comment about a portion of a quoted comment – i.e. directly below it – you have to break up the single quoted comment into a series of quotes, using the respective blockquote commands.

hope that helps.

(see what I meant about a non-techie description?)

Terry, here’s a quoted comment for you to view and play with.

Terry Olson – the preview function is indispensable for those situations!

RBG – you sly one…

conniptionfit @ 5

Kinda dissappointed in my fellow doggies, today. They sure didn’t hang around long when y’all aked for $$ for Carol!

I did!

here, I’ll read. Thank you so much!

Terry Olson @ 201

here, I’ll read. Thank you so much!

de rien

RBG @
197

punaise @
196

Terry Olsen – from the current thread upstairs:

when you “quote this comment” it automatically places what I call bookend commands around the comment in question. these appear as [blockquote] and [*blockquote], [*except I just substituted square brackets for the parentheses and an asterisk for the forward slash] -my comment [to keep it from disappearing in this comment.] The “quote” tab above the comment editing box performs the same function for any selected text.

In order to comment about a portion of a quoted comment – i.e. directly below it – you have to break up the single quoted comment into a series of quotes, using the respective blockquote commands.

hope that helps.

(see what I meant about a non-techie description?)

Terry, here’s a quoted comment for you to view and play with.

Terry Olson @ 203

RBG @ 197

punaise @ 196

Terry Olsen – from the current thread upstairs:

when you “quote this comment” it automatically places what I call bookend commands around the comment in question. these appear as [blockquote] and [*blockquote], [*except I just substituted square brackets for the parentheses and an asterisk for the forward slash]

-my comment
[to keep it from disappearing in this comment.]

The “quote” tab above the comment editing box performs the same function for any selected text.

In order to comment about a portion of a quoted comment – i.e. directly below it – you have to break up the single quoted comment into a series of quotes, using the respective blockquote commands.

hope that helps.

(see what I meant about a non-techie description?)

Terry, here’s a quoted comment for you to view and play with.

PREVIEW!

RBG @
197

punaise @
196
[*blockquote>Terry Olsen - from the current thread upstairs:]

Comment

[when you “quote this comment” it automatically places what I call bookend commands around the comment in question. these appear as [blockquote] and [*blockquote], except I just substituted square brackets for the parentheses and an asterisk for the forward slash]
comment
– to keep it from disappearing in this comment. The “quote” tab above the comment editing box performs the same function for any selected text.

In order to comment about a portion of a quoted comment – i.e. directly below it – you have to break up the single quoted comment into a series of quotes, using the respective blockquote commands.

hope that helps.

(see what I meant about a non-techie description?)

Terry, here’s a quoted comment for you to view and play with.

punaise @
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Terry Olson – from the current thread upstairs:

when you “quote this comment” it automatically places what I call bookend commands around the comment in question. these appear as [blockquote] and [*blockquote], except I just substituted square brackets for the parentheses and an asterisk for the forward slash – to keep it from disappearing in this comment. The “quote” tab above the comment editing box performs the same function for any selected text.

In order to comment about a portion of a quoted comment – i.e. directly below it – you have to break up the single quoted comment into a series of quotes, using the respective blockquote commands.

hope that helps.

(see what I meant about a non-techie description?)

TO – practice makes perfect!

RBG @
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punaise @
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Terry Olsen – from the current thread upstairs:

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Terry, here’s a quoted comment for you to view and play with.

On Bush alcoholism, rewatch the Colbert roast at the Press Conference (youtube) and you will see George’s head bobbing up and down like a bobble-head doll drunk. He keeps on tipping his cup, wonder what’s in it?

Screw it, I’ll practice tomorrow.
THANK YOU BOTH!

cinnamonape @
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Here’s the actual text of the what one of the 15%ers responded to Mher’s commentary. These people must be taking jello-shots of the Kool-Aid!

“DoubleGauss (1 hour ago)
Hey Bill, you ASSHOLE. Did you even listen to Valerie Plame’s testimony ? She was *NOT* a covert agent, her identity was NOT protected inside the united states, and therefore NO crime was committed. And how come the name Richard Armitage is never mentioned, the guy who actually “leaked” her identity ? Simple, because your objective is to get Bush or Cheney, not some no name guy. You fucking whining liberals.”

They are so ill informed and they have no clue what they are talking about.

I have to say, I think that was even better than the ones Olbermann does — which is saying a lot.

Wow. This is what people need to be hearing, nonstop.

don’t know if any one will read this so far down in the thread but… i have been waiting a long time for someone to explain this in the way that Maher did – the situation is really that simple and should have been explained like this from the beginning by the MSM !!

This is incredibly well & truthfully said.

Stewart, Colbert, Olbermann, Maher, Hamsher: heroes all.

You go Bill. Shout it from the rooftops!

- Tom

TiredFed @
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Oklahoma kiddo @ 108

This of course is no surprise here:

Bush, key senator still backing Gonzales

“He has always been straightforward and honest with me,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah. “So, unless there is clear evidence that the attorney general deliberately lied or misled Congress, I see no reason to call for his resignation.”

How about yours, Orrin? We could use a real human being in the Senate from Utah.

Orrin Toaddy Hatch couldn’t point out “straightforward and honest” if it was the only thing in an “ID(ea)” lineup. His slither was obnoxious during the Watergate hearings, an appologist for Nixon crimes then. Was he not prominent in Iran/Contra coverup as well? It is seldom that human excr3ment is piled so high. Now he is accomodating this lot? He is a human fly on shite. Whatever he supporting, you know what it is you are dealing with. Sorry this is EPU but can be quoted as needed.

Speaking of Butthead Hatch, I believe he has actually admitted in his own pea-sized brain that Gonzales has in fact LIED! But because of Hatch’s previous encounters with Gonzo, he is going to stick by him “unless it has been determined that Gonzo INTENTIONALLY lied” — believe that?! I am convinced that the White House does have some “no-show” photos of Hatch which he doesn’t want made public.