
Four months ago, the national office of the Delta Zeta sorority, concerned that their DePauw University chapter's nerdy reputation was affecting recruitment, evicted all of that chapter's members who were overweight, minority, or otherwise not in conformance with stereotypical sorority norms of attractiveness. Only 12 of the chapter's 35 members remained, half of whom promptly resigned in protest. To add insult to injury, the national office justified its actions by claiming that the evicted women (who included the chapter president) were insufficiently committed to recruitment.
Three months later, after protests, petitions, and phone calls by the former chapter members, faculty, parents, and alumni, and after the Delta Zeta website trashed the evicted members and the faculty petitioners, DePauw's president kicked the sorority out.
So why do I bring this story up, other than that it made me sick? Because it reminds me of the US Attorney firings. In both cases, the purgers valued a hidden, unofficial standard (conventional attractiveness, willingness to elevate politics over law) far more highly than their public, official standard (friendship/personal growth, enforcement of law). And to conceal this unsavory reality, they shifted the blame to the purgees, slandering them as lazy or incompetent underperformers.
That second part is what really amazes me. By insulting the victims, they practically forced them to speak out, just to defend their own reputations. Rachel Pappas, the former secretary of the DePauw DZ chapter, printed posters inviting students to the student union to hear her side of the story. David Iglesias wrote an op-ed for the NYT explaining the real reason he was fired. Bud Cummins has talked openly not just about his own firing, but the firings of the other USAs as well. Margaret Chiara hasn't spoken out publicly, but is clearly upset about the potential damage to her reputation, and I suspect that she would have gone public had the DOJ not helped her obtain a new position.
The other problem with the incompetence rationale, especially where the US Attorneys are concerned, is that there is actual, tangible evidence to the contrary. Most of the fired Attorneys had a paper trail of glowing performance reviews, and colleagues who would willingly attest to their competence if asked. This also makes it even more difficult to keep the lid on – because even if the fired Attorneys are all good soldiers who will keep their mouths shut, there's no guarantee that their friends will be.
Obviously, there are significant differences between the two purges. As far as I know, the Delta Zeta national office was not urging the DePauw chapter to do anything unethical, and the impact was mostly limited to DePauw and Delta Zeta. But the coverup of dodgy motives, and the self-defeating callousness and carelessness with which the purges were carried out, those were very similar indeed.
Hopefully the outcome will be the same as well.
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That IS a disgusting photo. But I like it.
TASIA SCOLINOS-UPI:THE GONZOGATE MEETING
Oklahoma kiddo @ 0
It was my second choice. Worth1000 hasn’t responded to my request for permission.
I almost had lurker luck, but I think I might have my virgin EPU.
EEWWW,ew,ew,ew. My eyes!
conniptionfit @ 3
The picture is always just as important as the words, if not more.
Hey Eli.
We are gonna smoke these bastards.
conniptionfit @ 5
Are you calling for ew? I think Marcy’s busy right now.
What a hideous and horrible thing to do to young women who probably struggle with body image and “popularity” issues to begin with.
My faith in human nature is somewhat restored in hearing that there were so many protests, petitions, and phone calls by the former chapter members, faculty, parents, and alumni that DePauw’s president kicked the sorority out. I’m just sorry it took three months to make the decision.
Is that Coulter’s body supporting Bush’s head?
egregious @ 5
I hope so. It’s hard for me to imagine 2008 being anything other than a bloodbath. And after 2006, I’m a little less afraid to be optimistic.
THAT is the ugliest woma…. oh wait.
dab_from_ct @ 7
Yep. I thought it was doubly cruel, because they had found a place where they were accepted and loved, and then the national office came in and told them to go fuck themselves.
EPU’d
But it has been bothering me that I had to factor out MI. That seemed just odd. So I finally woke up and asked how many USA’s are in Michigan. Well, there are two, East and West. It turns out, only two of the eighteen cases in MI were handled by the Western MI office, the remaining sixteen were handled by the Eastern office. So guess who ran the Western office. Surprise: None other than the former USA Margaret Chiara. Her democrat hit rate was actually very low, roughly half of the national average. (Her district had a population of roughly 3 million). This just reinforces the point that the fired USA’s did have a productivity issue and that the metric was: cases involving democrats.
When I attended Olbermann’s alma mater, a sorority was pressured by the national not to accept a Hispanic. The local disbanded and became a co-ed co-op with a well known fdl hothead as its first president.
Think globally, act locally. Or maybe somebody already said that.
Or was that think locally act globally? Shoot, I should have confirmed before deciding to work in Russia.
Being a mid 50s white man, I will let my vestigial sexism show in this respect. If I woke up next to someone looking like THAT, I would be like the wolf trying to get out of the trap and gnaw my arm off to get away.
YEEEECCCHHHH!
LATEST ADMINISTRATION EXCUSE FOR FIRINGS:
Attorneys were not in conformance with stereotypical norms of Justice Department attractiveness.
Mauimom @ 10
Egads! I don’t think Coulter ever looks that tanned.
LoudounLib @ 16
The legs aren’t skinny enough either.
That image is going to give me nightmares.
Howsa come we have ads for books by Tom “the Fuckhead” Delay and “Neal “I never met a wingnut I didn’t like” Boortz?
Just askin’.
Anybody else get the impression that the first out of the box to trash the USA’s was reacting without “further guidance” from the BigGiantHead? It was impulsive, and, in retrospect, it was their largest PR blunder in the whole affair.
Was it Sampson?
No. McNulty.
newtonusr @ 19
I dunno; trashing people is kinda their default position…
Eli @ 11
Yeah, short of a false flag, bay of tonkin kind of thingie. Which is why it matters if you think they did it the first time. Cui bono.
What amazes me (in both these cases) is how badly they were handled by people who ought to have known better. I mean these people had to know that what they were doing and their reasons for doing it weren’t acceptable-that’s why they tried to cloak their actions as something else. But look at how the attorneys were mishandled. These guys were all “loyal” to the extent that they were all preapred to go quietly-until some hamhanded twerp a) responded to a question about the didmissals by trashing the attorneys professional reputations/competance (thus reducing their chances of finding civilian employment), and b) calling them up and threatening to trash the attorneys publicly if they didn’t keep their mouths shut.
ick. still glad i never joined a sorority. well done, Eli.
OT–
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17778044/
From Frank Rich: “When Will Fredo Get Wacked?”
That is a VERY disturbing photograph.
conniptionfit @ 22
With all their skill at spin and porcine-lipstick-application, it amazed me that they couldn’t come up with a cover story that didn’t put the fired USAs on the defensive. I guess they figured they wouldn’t need to, because no-one would ask about the firings in the first place.
“a simple mistake”? Pardon my cynicism, but I don’t think so. Is this the plot? Or the prelude… to the plot?
The seizure of 15 British marines and sailors by Iranian forces just outside the disputed waters of Shatt al-Arab yesterday could be, as their commodore said, a simple mistake. Or it could be something more sinister. But whether by accident or by design, the incident adds yet another potent ingredient to the explosive mixture of factors that make our dealings with Iran so dangerous. On the eve of a UN security council vote to tighten the sanctions regime over Iran’s refusal to stop enriching uranium, there is now what looks like a hostage crisis. from the guardian today.
Looking now for word on progress of the Lewis-Foggo-Wilkes prosecutions by Lam’s temp replacement, Karen P. Hewitt.
I ain’t buying the ’simple mistake’ either, OK.
no tinfoil necessary at all.
newtonusr @ 28
Good luck with that…
kiotidada @ 4: We both were EPU’ed. I did respond to your comment.
Short version: Couldn’t believe I left out my dad’s beloved Everett Case and sure wish I’d been shagging balls for the Wolfpack.
Eli @
33
We might call and inquire.
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Is Marcy around? She (and many of you)are not gonna like the Sunday NYT Magazine cover story. All about Libby and leaks. Conclusion: Leaks are good. Fitzgerald caused harm to the Govt, and he made reporters look bad. (Ya think?) His last paragraph “Prosecutors of the realm, let this back-alley market flourish. Attorneys general and others armed with subpoena power, please leave well enough alone. Back off. Butt out.” Ironic, now that we know what we know about the current AG office, no?
She’s probably taking a crash course at the Karl Rove School of Tes-Ta-Liers
The Justice Department also said yesterday that Monica Goodling, a senior counselor to Gonzales who worked closely with Sampson on the firings, took an indefinite personal leave from her job on Monday. A Justice official said that she is still employed there but that it is not clear when she will return.
Goodling was the DOJ liaison to the White House
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01396.html
Eli @ 28
Well exactly. But was it just an accident of timing ( the election) that they got caught? Or is all this misdirection? What are we missing? What was the meta-goal? To hide Carol Lams firing? To prevent Carol from furthering the investigation of Jerry Lewis, et al? To create a “reliable” cadre of hardcore Democrat persecutors? What?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
It does look like the Brits might have been looking for an incident. They had stopped and were searching an Iranian flagged vessel when the Iranians surrounded them. And we are supposed to believe that said vessel wasn’t on their side of the waterway?
conniptionfit @ 35
I think it was that last one. Rove wants to push election fraud *hard* for 2008, and he wants all the USAs to be on board.
Ok… I have scanned all the comments over at TPMmuckraker on the latest DOJ doc dump. Ya a lazy Saturday where it sucked me in and could not get out until I hit the end…
What is so amazing is this is truly about Republicans eating their own. These USA’s where their bright new farm crop of Judges and future Congressmen and Senators. For a party that is in the low 30% that they would be willing to throw away loyal little soldiers is really telling.
That little point is why we will be hearing more and more from these US Attorneys, the impression is that they feel betrayed.
Margaret Chiara whined over and over again that she could not find a job, to have them change the reasons from performance and begging for another position with the government.
I’ve been worried about how the Republicans have managed to subvert elections since 2000 (too many ways to list them); the USA purge is yet another gun in their arsenal (among other effects of the removals, of course). How do we prevent election fraud in 2008 (and beyond)?? This has to be a top priority; nothing else will matter if they can steal elections!
‘Democrat’ Party needs to git off it’s ass and take care of this littel problem.
Cathy Martin?
How many white house flacks are named Cathrine Martin? is this the same Cathy Martin in Cheney’s “communications operation”… the one who testified in Libby trial?
Kevin Drum
FLAKKING PURGEGATE….Brad DeLong flags an email from last night’s document dump that was highlighted by one of Josh Marshall’s readers. A White House flak (Catherine Martin) wants to know who’s on the purge list and a DOJ flak (Tasia Scolinos) answers.
As Eli says, most of the ‘purgees’ had glowing reports. But isn’t it interesting that one of them–I’m pretty sure it was Kevin Ryan–wasn’t on the original list and was only added because a district judge was threatening some kind of action to force the DoJ to remove him because there had been numerous complaints about him in his district and in his office about poor management and poor performance.
I’m sorry, guys, I don’t remember exactly where I read about this–probably TPM, maybe ThinkProgress. But I was really struck by the fact that the one USA on the list who really had performance issues was only fired because a judge had gotten fed up with him and not the DoJ. They would have been happy to keep him.
I wonder what his “Bushie” rating was…
Hmmmm…
ccoaler @
2
How many more facts and how much more proof does Schumer think they need?
Helen @
36
Max Frankel was the author…Maybe getting senile?
pachelbelle @ 42
I’m actually surprised that they haven’t used him as “proof” that *all* the firings were for cause.
Eli @ 40
But all the election fraud is on the part of Diebold, ES&S and the Republican Party!
njr @ 44
Gee. The very same…
Mauimom @
10
No way. The body in the picture is curvy.
conniptionfit @ 46
No, I’m pretty sure that any time black people vote, it’s fraud.
Eli @
29
They only plan for the invasion. Not the reconstruction.
laurie9 @ 42
Move to all mail in ballots.
RealWorld @
14
Ding!
conniptionfit @ 51
Have they been taking over the post offices?
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @
21
Take their money and run.
Eli @
33
Maybe not? From the linked article:
She’s interim, sure, but if she was, indeed, Lam’s choice there might be some continuity. I’m assuming she’d have the support of the others in the office (and the FBI). Lam landed a very nice job; perhaps Hewitt’s continued investigation won’t be “chilled” by her fear of lack of future job prospects (unless she has a desire to work for the RNC or something).
egregious @ 15
Go Big Red! I was in Ithaca last year when they played Umass in the NCAA Men’s Lacrosse tournament. The Big Red didn’t know what hit ‘em. A Cornell alum, who apparently had played lacrosse there in the early sixties, said we just finished exam week and I think that in part is why there not playing well. Then he asked me, Did Umass just finish exam week? Never missing an opportunity to crack wise, I said, I don;t know if Umass HAS an exam week. I think that made him feel better.
OT–Neocon Zalmay Khalilzad is leaving Iraq now and is nominated to go the UN. His replacement will be Ryan Crocker, the current Ambassador to Pakistan. (doing such a fine job there too!) First “Zal” screws up Afghanistan, then Iraq and now the UN? good grief. Pretty telling that the “diplomat” *ahem* leaves as the escalation proceeds.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..lilzad.php
they just keep circulating the same failures, around and around.
Lucy @ 55
I really, really hope so. I just can’t believe that they would get rid of Lam without first making sure her replacement would play ball.
Eli @
52
They’ve learned the tricks from the Newt…Whatever they’re hollering loudest about is what they’re doing themselves…
Lucy @ 58
Interesting. But take a look @ comment 55 – seems main Justice was steering cases between USA’s when regional factors should have countered. Looks like Michigan prosecutions by party were skewed somewhat…
well I went off topic downstairs with this post which is much more appropriate on this thread;
here’s what I’m going to get off to whoever is on the TEEvee tomorrow, and waxman before his hearings on monday (among other congressman);
both quotes referenced from think progress
The AP reports:
combined with this today
there is no way to parse these statements, they are clear, depraved, unadulterated, contemtuous, bold, in your face, up your butt, lies
(are there any other descriptive expressions for lies?…let me know)
waxman needs to use this data to say as follows;
[prefaced by the perennial IANAL]
“we are inviting the attorney general to appear within these halls of congress, without restraint in any form before this body to answer questions and bring us to terms with what appears to be deliberate lies and deliberate obstruction of justice.
if he refuses this generous offer from congress in performing our sworn oath to this body of legislation, we will be left with no choice but to refer this man to hearings of impeachment to begin 24 hours from the time of our next hearings which are scheduled for tomorrow.
he will be tried for impeachment in absentia until the time he appears, and if he does so appear willingly, he will take sworn oath, in public and on the record, and he will answer ALL question involving this and other issues that are of concern to our national security, our justice system and our law.
if said questions are felt of a classified nature by the attorney general, this body will hear testimony behind secure doors where WE, the body of congress will determine the extent of secret (on the record) testimony will take place.”
(he is welcome to edit and plaguerize my work if he likes)
The Gonzales 8 were in the top 1/3 of the US Attorneys in rating.
Also in my Saturday reading… there are up to 22 US Attorney vacancies which have not been officially filled with confirmed by the Senate. The trick was to put in the interim USA’s which would serve without consent of the home Senators or the full Senate until BushCo left office (if they every would)
USA – AZ Paul Charlton…. investigating Rick Renzi, Kolbe and there always has been tons on JD Hayworth being hip deep in the Abramoff swill.
Charlton was rated NUMBER ONE in the country per their rating system was not on the original list.
I am beginnig to see the start of a horrible catch-22. Congress puts forth charges of perjury and comtempt against DOJ officals and the DOJ refuses to prosucte. The only person who could break the impasse(Bush) is the one person who has the least motive for doing so. The Dem leadership needs to take a page from the Repugs and leave all options on the table, because the threat of impeacment is the only other thing that could get things moving. Add in the fact that Bush is the type who will bring everthing and everyone down with him and things look even worse.
DePauw’s…that refreshes
The surf gods found reason to recoil just about the time that picture went up top.
Eli caused twin earthquakes — 7.1 and 6.8. …check it out here
update…more now…
Helpless Dancer @ 66
I anticipated this within my quote, yes, the doj could actually refuse to prosecute alberto turture
that’s why they have to go straight to articles of impeachment
if he is “resigned” to avoid impeachment congress will have a number of options left
they could actually continue their trial of impeachment even though alberto torture was “resigned”
AND/or they would make CERTAIN the attorney general guaranteed an investigation with report of the former attorney general
In an ACLU Townhall in Phoenix last fall, John Dean said that everything BushCo does is for politics, 100% everyday, every act, totally 100% politics.
No thought about what is good for the government or the American People or the World.
Just politics
punaise @
67
Isn’t that the home of d’Quayle?
RealWorld @
14
I would still like to see a study of previous administrations, say from Ford through Clinton, each separate stats of course. This should prove quite useful in considering just how blind justice has been over time throughout the various administrations. I wonder if that’s possible. It certainly would seem so, since this should be public information, seeing as how all of it is done with our tax dollars.
katymine @ 65
Aren’t we supposed to issue a spew-alert when JD’s name is mentioned here?
More along the line of my paranoid thought processes, John Dean’s latest.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070323.html
my hoa is doing the same thing to my wife (and me) , been going on for a year and a half.. soon though our story will come out and with a year and a half worth of video tape… they have no idea
katymine @ 67
I don’t think that’s completely accurate. Some of it is about rewarding themselves and their friends.
Eli @ 56
Actually Oregon has had amazing sucess with this. First, it removes all those expensive, untrustworthy electronic voting machines. 2nd it removes the need/ expense for all those zillions of precinct polling places, staff for same, election judges for same, watchers for same. Concider who usually can find the time and interest to attend to these election day jobs in this increasingly electronic age: Little old retired ladies (bless ‘em!)-but what do most of ‘em know about electronics? No offense to the little old ladies (bless ‘em!), but it’s like setting sheep to guard the sheep!
anyway, it’s cheaper, easier (no more long lines!), and more secure.
Eli @
29
They only plan invasions, not the aftermaths.
off 2 bed
see all L8ter
punaise @ 67
There’s nothing quite as good as a bad pun and aren’t they all. Nice shot punaise, nice shot.
Do election results stand even if it is proven that there was fraud involved in the election?
Mauimom @
10
Coulter is a stick.
newtonusr @73…
Truly sorry…. he WAS my Congresscritter …
conniptionfit @ 54
This does not work, the ballots sit around for a long time without proper supervision and no guarantee if they are ever counted. Just mailing them doesn’t help, worse, it creates a false sense of security. It’s the counting and auditing that’s the huge problem. See Prof Avi Rubin’s blog for more on the *very important* issue of reliable election tabulation.
conniptionfit @ 74
I don’t dispute that. But if we went to vote by mail nationally, I *guarantee* you that the Republicans would be infiltrating post offices.
From Sean Penn today:
Mr. President, Mr. Cheney, Ms. Rice et al: Indeed America has a rich history of greatness -indeed, America is still today a devastating military superpower.
And because, in the absence of a competent or brave Congress, of a mobilized citizenry, that level of power lies in your hands, it is you who have misused it to become our country’s and our constitution’s most devastating enemy. You have broken our country and our hearts.
Fern @ 78
Something I wonder about myself. What would have happened if conclusive evidence came out (or comes out, even) that Bush really did steal the election in 2004?
was Cathy Martin gathering AG information for Cheney?
newtonusr @
50
Thanks, Eli.
That picture is gonna give me nightmares for weeks.
perris @ 69
Any investigation takes time and you know that they will do their utmost to drag things out. Time is not on our side and if these sleazebag avoid the disgrace that comes from criminal penalties, they will be back again, and again and again and again.
flory @ 86
Ex-cellent…
Watching Star Wars III – Revenge of the Sith…
Line….”So that is how Democracy dies… with thunderous applause”
How true… with Matthews saying that an investigation in the Gonzales 8 is political withc hunt and will hurt the Dems…. Y
a just because he says it is true it must be right?
Scarecrow @
27
Add this to the destruction of the Valerie Plame/Brewster-Jennings network and all of the other things that they probably did that we haven’t discovered yet…I think my head is going to explode!
This ain’t no way to protect us Amuricans!
Endangering our country from without and attacking our Constitution from within…
They (all of the G-D #%&*$!!$$$ neocons) are the Enemy–Foreign AND Domestic!
I hope the 29%ers are proud.
katymine @ 83
You poor dear. I thought I had it bad – I have Lantos.
The analogy between the sorority scene at Depauw and the attorney firings is a good one. When historians of the future dissect the strange convergence of social and political forces that led to the Bush administration, three influences will emerge:
1. The neocon “brains” of the operation (Cheney et al)
2. Good old boy Texas politicking” as the “enforcers” (Rove, Delay, big oil)
3. Fraternity/sorority social structure.
Number 3 has been talked about the least. This is where we get the cronyism, the “bullying” and the nicknames (Turdblossom, Pootie Putin, etc). Number 3 is the part of the triad most directly connected to W himself. It is why W cannot grasp the tragedy of New Orleans (poor people). The greek system is what he knows, what he thrived in at Yale. This is why I think W was intimately connected to the attorney firings. He threw the pledges out. They weren’t loyal to the brotherhood.
Eli @ 87
One of the things that mystifies me about the American electral system is how much variability there appears to be from state to state, even in federal elections – and how informal the system of election oversight seems to be. Okay – that’s two things.
The reason that Vote by Mail works in Oregon is because they do not have machine politics in that state (within reason) and they work on making it fair and accessible.
You DO NOT have to mail your ballot in OR, they have secure drop off sites up to closing of the polls on election night. I started voting by mail in Oregon in the late 80’s and loved it.
If you read anything about voter fraud in Oregon, make sure you are NOT reading anything by the convicted felon Bill Sizemore who was convicted for voter fraud and owes the state huge amounts of fines.
And newtonusr … to top that… there is Kyl and McCain too…..
I wonder if that’s what Babs looked like in her prime.
Helen @
36
The reporters involved in this despicable betrayal of an American patriot made themselves look bad–Fitzgerald only pulled back the curtain and let some sunshine shine in.
Millineryman @ 95
I figured she *always* looked like the Quaker Oats guy.
I read that piece by Sean Penn earlier and thought it powerful.
I just finished reading Zbig’s editorial over at the Post and it is also very powerful.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..v=hcmodule
Millineryman @ 98
difficult to imagine her having a “prime”! Or a youth for that matter.
What mystifies me is how easy Lotto holds an election of a series of numbers each week.
Eli and Hotflash- Well of course the Rethugs will try to find ways to pervert the new system! The trick is to try to stay one step ahead of them! The difference here is that if you stay with the current system you’re always playing catch-up, ’cause they already own the system. We gotta create a NEW system. and try to outsmart ‘em. DON’T fall into the trap of thinking that there is one permanent soliution and that the problem can be solved in one move. Life is a journey, a series of steps and missteps, and this is just one more example!
njr says
Seems she may have been firewalling for Harriet, too.
80% voter participation! Isn’t that worth struggling for and wlorking to keep clean?
conniptionfit @ 103
It’s a Republican nightmare, so I’m all for it.
Eli @ 107
Well there ya go!
conniptionfit @
38
That’s my vote! Also, to prevent the prosecution of any crime, any time, against Repugnicans by making an example of those who prosecuted Repugs in the past. Oh, and to make it infinitely more possible to do voter suppression.
That’s the kind of chick I could really go for– ugly face, great body.
Eli, know what’s hilarious about all of this?
The one purged US Attorney with actual, undeniable performance issues was Bush zampolit Tim Ryan — and he was only added to the list at the last minute, and only after hard lobbying by a federal judge disgusted with Ryan’s performance. The judge actually threatened to go to Congress with his complaints!
Phoenix Woman @ 108
Someone already beat you to it…
PW – zampolit… Beautiful!
Cheney says “why do you hate the troops?”
It’s the arrogance. They figured that nobody in the regular national media would notice, much less care.
And they were right: Nobody in the regular national media noticed or cared — until TPM came along and started following the case.
Eli @ 40
I’ve noticed that Repubs always talk about voter fraud which by their definition means that “we’ve got to make sure that no one votes who (we think) shouldn’t (because it might screw up the election for us), even if that means that people who have the right to vote are denied that right” while Democrats talk about Voter Rights and Voter Suppression. Repubs focus on ‘fraud’ to disenfranchise voters. Dems focus on ‘rights’ to um, make sure that everyone who is entitled to vote actually gets to vote.
katymine @
41
David Iglesias told Chris Matthews that he wants his job!
Eli @ 112
Yeah, but I had the link! So there. Nyah-nyah. ;-p
I’ve mentioned this before but let’s hope The Chimpy in Charge doesn’t take a page from the playbook of the governor of Kentucky. His administration was being investigated by the state AG for abusing the state Merit system (civil service). Once indictments started coming down, he pardoned EVERYBODY but himself for any and all crimes associated with the abuse. Basically they were using the civil service system to reward “loyal” republics.
He wound being indicted then got his pet judges to rule that he was too busy and couldn’t be tried or interviewed until he left office. The AG finally worked a settlement.
The governor is now probably going to lose in the Republic primary to Ann Northup, former congress critter who lost to John Yarmouth in ‘06.
pachelbelle @ 112
Yep. Republicans are all about vote denial and vote suppression. The fewer people who vote, the better it is for them, because they rely on a small group of hardcore voters to win elections. The fewer people outside that group who vote, the bigger that small group is proportionally.
angie @ 101
What a different world this would be if President Carter and Zbig were leading. ;0)
Have the elections run by the state gaming commissions, or at least using their security protocols. (All those machines have to be inspected and certified.)
There’s a post up at Digby’s place on the GOoPers and San Diego politics. Apparently they’re using it as a test area for their next generation of lying, cheating, and stealing.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 117
Right now I’d rather have Gore and maybe Clark.
dakine01 @ 118
What kind of state sits still for the shit Ernie Fletcher has dished out?
newtonusr @ 113
I like to use that term for BushCo’s political officers early and often: a) because it fits (classic zampolit were worthless hacks whose sole qualification was loyalty to the Party officials employing them), and b) because it drives the wingnuts berzerk (they hate hate HATE the idea that they are more like Stalin than like Lincoln or Jefferson).
P J Evans @ 122
Too many of those companies are run by other Republic thiefs so wouldn’t really do much good. Maybe better Open Source with protocols and testing information in the public domain. Let everybody keep ‘em honest.
Gore in ‘08! ;0)
Eli @ 52
Gooood one, Eli. But actually, anytime Dems vote, it’s fraud.
Okay, why are all my comments posting in the past?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 121
agreed! but if you check the comments over there about his article, there are some very nasty folks assailing him and James Earl Carter with charges of every bad thing under the sun and anti s*m*t*sm, too.
Pretty darn ugly.
conniptionfit @ 54
If you don’t think they can find a way to game that, you really must be naive!
The silver lining in this cloud of crap is that any attempt by the Republics to tar Democratic candidates and claim ‘vote fraud’ will be completely dismissed as a consequence of the purge. We now know that the real purpose was to prepare the ground for stealing another election –my guess is that the stealee was supposed to be Mitt Romney, given that he is the current beneficiaryt of the Swift Boat fund. Rove cuts things close. This was an extremely risky move, however, as it depended on nobody talking. He should have guessed that without blackmail hanging over their heads, some discontened USA’s would speak out, and their Senatorial sponsors would back them. Recall that the purge was carried out when it was clear the Dems were taking power in Congress, so he had to believe there was a code of silence. In any event, the ploy has backfired big time, both for 2008 and for the current administration.
They even did this regardless what Senator Kyl wanted!
Eli @ 56
You don’t need brick and mortar. There are circular files everywhere!
P J Evans @ 122
Well let’s see. There’s Issa, Duncan and Bilbray in San Diego to think about…who did I miss.
We here in oregon love mailin voteing…but you have to have a clean system from the start,or as was said….some one will figgure a way to game the system
angie @ 130
Oklahoma kiddo @ 121
angie @ 101
I read that piece by Sean Penn earlier and thought it powerful.
I just finished reading Zbig’s editorial over at the Post and it is also very powerful.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..v=hcmodule
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What a different world this would be if President Carter and Zbig were leading. ;0)
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agreed! but if you check the comments over there about his article, there are some very nasty folks assailing him and James Earl Carter with charges of every bad thing under the sun and anti s*m*t*sm, too.
Pretty darn ugly.
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I am not surprised. And I remain unaffected. And will continue supporting both these gentlemen. ;0)
OT: You know what you call an alumnus without a degree? A dropout…or Jeb Bush.
newtonusr @
124
Fletcher did the same thing at the state level that the Chimpy did at the national, i.e., promise to change the tone and be responsible and do the “correct thing” and clean up the corruption. Folks bought it. Don’t forget, Fletcher was another one of Mitch McConnell’s dweebs.
snuffy @ 135
I think the easiest system to keep tamper-free is plain old-fashioned paper-and-pencil ballots combined with clear protocols for handling, securing and counting them and appropriate scrutiny of those processes.
Fern @ 140
Yep; but paper ballots backfired in FL 2000, and that’s what opened the door for paperless e-voting.
Helpless Dancer @ 66
I thought that was in the event that Congress wants to charge them through the courts. But I think there is no need to charge them through the courts. If they think they have enough evidence and votes, I think they can impeach them. Is this right? Are any of you lawyer types out here tonight?
EvilDrMacPuma @ 138
Probably based on his scholarly accomplishments.
Eli @ 141
But weren’t those paper ballots with punch holes (hanging chads anyone)?
Eli @ 140
Terry Olson @ 143
I bet you giggled when you typed that.
dakine01 @ 144
True; but they gave paper ballots a bad name. Now Diebold and ES&S have given electronic voting a bad name, so maybe there’s hope.
I like the optical scan ballots. There is certainly opportunity for shenanigans in the electronic tallying, but at least they can be for-real recounted if anything looks dodgy.
EDP, I certainly giggled when I read it
the photo up top? White Chick
Sansavec Dopepunaise @ 149
Is that anything like White Punks On Dope?
My little town has paper ballots and pencils (no chads) and you drop the ballot into a big ole wooden locked box.
After the polls close, the town citizens are invited to watch the ballot count, right over the shoulders of the counters until all is said and done.
Citizen participation is what it takes.
EvilDrMacPuma @ 146
Yeah, and it’s telling that nobody wants Bush’s library too. CALL IN THE ALUMNI!
angie @ 151
As I recall, vote counting by Star Chamber was preferred in Florida (and later Ohio). No, no surprise in that…just sayin’.
dakine01 @ 139
Kentucky may be a different shade of purple than, say, Massachusetts, but they aren’t idiots, and a whole lot of voters would have to be thoroughly corrupt to go along. I smell a “Shiny-Thing” alert.
EvilDrPuma @ 153
I thought that was to keep out the terrorists.
Eli @ 154
I thought that was to keep out the terrorists.
If by “terrorists” you mean “citizens,” then yes.
dakine01 @
150
yeppers
Celtic Music: Celtic Song.
Thanks for the noticing. Short version: I found myself suddenly primary caregiver for my 88 yr old mom. So FDL and the ACC have been saving and salving for me. .
Terry Olson @ 143
Hey now. No making fun of the University of Florida.
MANALAPAN, Fla. – Vice President Dick Cheney on Saturday accused the Democrat-led House of not supporting troops in Iraq and of sending a message to terrorists that America will retreat in the face danger.
They’re not supporting the troops. They’re undermining them,” Cheney told a gathering of the Republican Jewish Coalition at the oceanside Ritz-Carlton hotel in Manalapan, Fla., about 60 miles north of Miami.
Ah. Brain shutting down. Sinus causing pain. Benadryl and to bed. g’nite folks…
EvilDrPuma @ 155
Nothing more terrifying than civic-minded citizens.
cleter @ 158
They kinda just asked for it.
cleter @ 158
We’re not. After all, UF’s faculty had the good sense to refuse him an honorary degree. But like Jell-O, there’s always room for making fun of Jeb Bush!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 159
Go fuck yourself, Dick.
Like Jell-o?
Can you say “projection”? I knew that you could.
Eli @ 163
No, see, the faculty senate voted no, which is kind of ballsy. The glass is half full here. And the alumni association is not the university administration.
Terry Olson @ 165
Virtually isomorphic, in fact. (Is it possible to be isomorphic with a shapeless blob?)
Always room for Jell-O. But then, who makes room for it?
Terry Olson @ 165
Ohh yeaahhh!!!
Wait, no, wrong 70s pop-culture reference…
See, that’s why all citizens should be allowed/invited to watch until all the votes are tallied.
NH is pretty outstanding wrt citizen involvement and politics. I’m still fairly new here, but I’ve never been accorded such access to the process.
NYT has a beautiful conversation up now with the Edwardses.
Quite simply, they inspire us all to our better selves.
Such a marked contrast to the portrayal of Christian and family values from the craven right. I commented about smarmy Carney and Rush the worm on the last thread. Nuff said. As for the “born-again” Bush…I don’t believe it. I don’t see it. His values and his allies speak for themselves.
Eli @
141
So what’s your point? Trees are bad?
Eli @ 170
But not entirely inapplicable to the Bush administration and its twelve remaining fans.
cleter @ 167
Well, that’s something. But, um, what does this say about UF alumni?
(And perhaps “FU” is a more appropriate appellation in this case…)
EvilDrPuma @ 164
Oklahoma kiddo @ 159
Sorry, it’s just not going to spin that way. How many vetoes has Bush issued? The only one I remember is the stem cell bill. Now he’s going to veto a bill funding his war, because it says he has to bring the troops home eventually. No matter how much they ramp up the rhetoric, they’re just not going to be able to get around the fact that Bush is the one vetoing the bill. Frankly, I think Pelosi’s next bill should look like this:
The “If You Veto This Bill, You’re Not Supporting the Troops, and the Terrorists Win!” Act
1. Congress will give the President twice as much money as he’s asking for the Iraq war. He can spend it any way he wants to, with no oversight from us. We’ll just airlift a big pile of cash to the White House lawn.
2. All of the troops have to be home by January 19, 2009.
These alumni aughta register now. And fight the terrorists. Before they come to Florida.
Along with Jeb, cuz he’s out of work now anyway.
Jello? Jello Biafra!
Pach has High School citizen activists upstairs
newtonusr: “Kentucky may be a different shade of purple than, say, Massachusetts, but they aren’t idiots, and a whole lot of voters would have to be thoroughly corrupt to go along. I smell a “Shiny-Thing” alert.” “
Kentucky is far more red these days than purple, Ben Chandler and John Yarmouth notwithstanding. The northern Kentucky district re-elected and idiot named Geoff Davis over the former Ken Lucas. In 04 Davis beat Nick Clooney who had a brain which is more than Davis has. Eastern KY has Hal Rogers who WAS the chair of house appropriations. South of Louisville to BG is Ron Lewis who is almost as bad as Davis. The senators are McConnell and the semi-senile Jim Bunning.
Fletcher was the first Republic Gov in 34 years and if Northup doesn’t beat him in the primary, it may take them another 34 years. But it is far different than in Mass.
While we’re on the subject of Jeb, I have to ask: does Chang also get to be an honorary UF alumnus?
punaise, you on a roll.
Eli-
I imagine the alumni association has a lot of rich old Republicans.
Besides, Jeb is an honorary Floridian and an honorary Catholic. He may as well be an honorary alum.
Frank Probst @ 178
Good call, Frank. But why the January of 2009 date?
Eli @ 141
And now you have a system that HIDES the corruption behind an impenetrable electronic wall. Those paper ballots were badly designed deliberately by rethuglicans. But you can create a mail in system with rules about design AND have a paper trail.
Ann@131- see further up the thread for more discussion and explaination. Have you thought about using the web to monitor the reciept, handling and counting of all mail in ballots? How about requiring state certified vote counters to work in fully web cam monitored rooms? Hoe about a process that require countewrs to use a simple scanner to scan each ballot directly onto the web, where citizens can count votes themselves and monitor outcomes?
cleter @ 183
Yeah, I’ll grant that the alumni association is probably not a real representative sampling.
Millineryman @ 98
Oddly enough, I had a picture of Babs sent to me in an e-mail. It was vintage 1940s or early 1950s. Would you believe, she was a truly pretty woman. No really, very good looking…I may still have the pic somewhere in my e-mail. If anyone is particularly interested, I will look. Otherwise, I have better things to do with my time. (on the other hand, you wouldn’t have to twist my arm. It was in the last 6 months or so, so it probably wouldn’t be that hard.)
YankInDC @ 95
Interesting ; makes a lot of sense.
conniptionfit @ 185
It begs the question, was paperless e-voting the plan all along, and the butterfly ballots the means to sneak it in?
Ann in AZ @ 187
I would be interested in seeing that; I find it really hard to imagine.
New thread: Pach
Late Nite FDL — Wilton High School
Yeah yeah, I’m sleeping now. Going peaceably.
Eli @ 189
That doesn’t seem to follow the Wingnut Conspiracy MO. You know, do something flagrantly stupid for personal political gain, then when it becomes public knowledge, blame the victims and pretend to be tough guys.
EvilDrPuma @ 192
I think it kinda follows their “ratfuck” strategy, though. Sucker the enemy into doing exactly what you want.
dakine01 @ 182
I guess any state that puts Mitch in a Senate seat…
To paraphrase Jim Carey: “So you’re sayin’ Dems have a shot in KY?”
Sounds like old Louisiana politics? “He may be a polecat and a scoundrel, but he’s our polecat and scoundrel.”
laurie9 @ 42
Currently, most, if not all, of the voting machine manufacturers are connected to the Republicans. And many of the Secretaries of State which oversee elections are Republican appointees.
We need clear authority to review the manufacturers’ “proprietary” software and clear testing and certification that is not tainted by their B*llSh*t. If they are not willing to have their software reviewed by nonpartisan/bipartisan experts, then they should not be permitted to participate in the electoral process.
Otherwise we need to go back to some kind of paper ballot that can be recounted and verified. (I don’t trust a paper trail generated by the optical scanners produced by the same companies that have a partisan agenda who have possibly/probably participated in skewed elections.)
Since the S’election of 2000 I have read too many stories where election officials have obviously had a partisan agenda and access to manipulate either raw election data (as in Ohio and who knows where else) or as in Sarasota (FL 13-Jennings v Buchanan) where the election official declined to implement updates to the machines that the manufacturer (ES&S)suggested in August 2006 due to a ‘glitch’ that caused the machine to not register votes, and also did not inform poll workers or voters of this potential glitch as recommended by the manufacturer. Documents show that they decided that adding a poster with this information to the polling cubicle would be ‘distracting’ to the voters.
Fortunately, the House Administration Committee has organized a task force to investigate the situation in Florida 13 (Truthout:Task Force Formed to Investigate Florida 13th Election by Rachel Kapchanans of Congressional Quarterly 3-23-07) but…
We all know that there have been numerous reports of voter suppression and vote anomalies ever since the S’election of 2000…
Karl Rove famously said in an interview prior to the 2006 election that he had ‘THE math’…
when I read that, I was sure he did.
Too bad for them (but so good for America and the rescue of our democracy–Oversight is a good thing!) they didn’t realize just how pissed off the majority of the country was, and how many had joined us who weren’t buying the BS anymore, so that they didn’t hack the election as much as they should have in order to win. They thought they had it figured out what margin the machines had to be ‘modified’ in order to win but not raise too many eyebrows–but they were wrong–finally!!
We need to make sure that there is integrity in our voting system in 2008 and beyond.
Otherwise this marvelous “experiment” (as it was called when it first began in the late 1700’s) will surely fail.
Eli:
I would be interested in seeing that; I find it really hard to imagine
Here is one- wedding day for Bar and GHW
http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/ph…..e=H001.jpg
EvilDrPuma @ 194
Who sez they can’t have more than 1 MO? Maybe that explains why they keep f-ing up: they can’t keep all their MO’s straight!
Dru @ 195
Wow, she *is* pretty cute. But she got all filled up with evil right quick.
Probally not the best time to ask, but:
why is it the conservative/ wingnut speakers like Ron Christie or 60 grit allowed to over talk or drown out the left talking rep. Is there a training course in media manipulation and rhetoric for the rightwing. Is there a politness/courtesy gene that afflicts progressives?
Tweety over-talks his “guests” but still lets the righty folks dominate.
Olbermann structures his show to avoid this: asks a question and allows an answer
punaise @ 67
punaise–you’re funny!
katymine @ 70
And why? Who gains? The new neighbors in Dubai?
Prairie Sunshine @ 171
Has anybody noticed that the party that says they are for “family values” seems to have a problem finding a candidate that displays any family values. Their candidates all seem to be divorced at least once, except for Romney, whose Religion used to advocate bigamy. Whereas, although the Repugnican party ridicules the Democrats as lacking in family values, the Dems are the ones whose candidates all seem to be married for a lifetime, in stark contrast to the serial marriages on the other side of the political spectrum. Wonder why that is?!!
Eli @ 112
And I came in very late! But I promise I hadn’t read the others before I commented! :>)
Eli @ 190
If I am able to find it, who should I send it to? I could pass it on to Christy and she could pass it on to you. Or you could leave me your email address her with the dot spelled out. Otherwise, I’ll look for it and send it to Christy with a note. It was in one of those “Guess who the celebrity is” type things with a bunch of other pics.
Ann in AZ @ 203
Can you upload it to ImageShack and post a link? I think ImageShack is pretty self-explanatory – you just upload the file, and then you can copy-and-paste the link (you’ll want the direct link, which should be towards the bottom of the links page).
Eli @ 119
Thank you Eli ( and great post, by the way!)
This is exactly the point–
progressives need to frame this ‘voter fraud’ issue as:
When Republicans talk about voter fraud it means they want to suppress the vote so that they have a better chance of winning
When Democrats talk about voter fraud it means they want to ensure that everyone who is entitled has the right to vote without suppression or intimidation or any of the other Republican dirty tricks
Phoenix Woman @ 124
if you don’t mind, I am going to start using this term as well because–
1) It certainly fits those in this regime
2) I love to annoy wingnuts
EvilDrMacPuma @ 137
Ann in AZ @ 71
I would still like to see a study of previous administrations, say from Ford through Clinton, each separate stats of course. This should prove quite useful in considering just how blind justice has been over time throughout the various administrations. I wonder if that’s possible. It certainly would seem so, since this should be public information, seeing as how all of it is done with our tax dollars.
This may be more difficult than it seems since the original research was based on public data available on the internet and while some of it may be available for the Clinton years I suspect it won’t go back with nearly as much detail even that far. Keep in mind that this study reported cases that became in some way public so many were investigations that were leaked but never became indictments.
Ann in AZ @ 141
This bums me out but the only value of impeachment is the publicity of it, at least until things are soooo bad we can get 67 votes in the Senate. I am starting to wonder if the best approach is a slow tearing back of the veils right up to 2008 when the country will be so disgusted we will through them out. The we’ll have DOJ and can pursue prosecutions against real criminals.
#27 and #25,
I was sad to see Carol Lam let go. She was a great rep. for the people. I don’t think she was a member of the Federalist Society, like Rachel Poulose the snot nosed newly confirmed USA in Minn. at the tender age of 33. She didn’t donate money to the GOP like a ranger,but she was super conservative, very bright, Yale grad, minority and a woman. She replaced an experienced prosecutor, also Republican who didn’t complain that he was let go. I hope all this manipulation comes back as egg on their faces.
What I think will happen will be similar to Rumsfeld. He’ll stall and then he’ll ‘accept’ Al-GONEZO’s resignation. Astrology says he’s a goner too…..
RealWorld @ 212
But we are talking about impeachment of DOJ officials and Gonzo. I think there very well might already be enough votes to impeach Gonzo. He’s got quite a few Senators really angry at him and at his department. They’re starting to realize that their power is being eroded, or they’ve given it away, and they don’t like it. I was very surprised to see the post this evening indicating that Kyl was not pleased with the change of the USA here in AZ. Apparently they bypassed him completely, and then publicly declared that he was ok with it. (That is if you believe a word Kyl says. I don’t put much stock in someone that has been known to falsify a brief to the Supreme Court like he and Lindsey Graham did.) Plus, most of them know he’s an utterly incompetent boob. A shill. This USA thing is hardly all they have on him. His fingerprints are all over most of the overreaches of the Administration. Torture, NSA wiretaps, the loss of Habeas Corpus, extraordinary Rendition, Patriot Act abuses of several different forms, and the list goes on. I think things are starting to come to a head. With all the crap that’s coming down the line, Gonzo may only be the first. If Bush keeps up his shit, he may eventually get impeached, too. I’d like to do both Bush and Cheney with the same shot. On the other hand, by the time people are ready for that, elections will be upon us, and the Repugs would probably block any efforts to put Pelosi in the White House, even temporarily. I don’t really think that can or will happen. But I’d settle for everybody but Bush, and yes, I mean Cheney has to go, too. I want Gonzo, then Rove, then Chertoff for his sheer incompetence. Then we’ll just have to wait and see what comes down the pipes. I wish us a lot of luck!
Are we subtitling the picture still? How about “This is what happens – when you don’t eat your broccoli”. Could this picture be the answer to give finicky eaters what happens if they don’t eat (something)?
Where do Republicans come from? Are they born in pods or are they normal and crysilize later? Has any research been done on the phenomon? Is it something, or the lack of something in the diet that causes Republicans, or is it a genetic throwback of some sort?
Inquiring minds want to know.