
(Photo of Richard Nixon from David Douglas Duncan, from a Nixon presser in Miami in 1968.)
John Dean has some fantastic analysis today on the issues of executive privilege and the unitary executive theory. It makes for a compelling read in terms of historical and philosophical context — and personal undercurrents within the current Bush Administration, and it's predecessor in political philosophy, the often paranoid and secretive Nixon White House. From Dean at FindLaw:
Of course, I do not know what is transpiring behind closed doors at the White House right now. But I do believe there is more occurring than meets the eye with respect to the potential confrontation developing between the Democratic Congress and the Bush White House. On the surface, the clash appears rather simple: Congress wants information, and Bush does [not] want to provide it if it means breaching the sanctity of the realm in which he receives advice from his aides privately. But this surface conflict, as I will explain, does not get to the bottom of this developing dust-up.
In truth, much more is at stake here for both the Congress and the White House than this bare description of the conflict would indicate. These issues strike at the heart of what post-Watergate conservative Republicans seek to create: an all-powerful presidency. Thus, for the same reason that Vice President Cheney went to extreme lengths to block Congress from getting information about the work of his National Energy Task Force, as I discussed in prior columns such as this one, I expect President Bush to take what will appear to be a similar irrational posture. For both Bush and Cheney, virtually any limit on presidential power is too great.
And this conflict, in the end, is all about presidential power. Moreover, underlying the Administration's defense of unchecked power, is a term that has not been heard since Justice Alito's confirmation hearings: "the unitary executive theory." Once, conservatives rejected a strong presidency. Today, however, the opposite is the case, and the unitary executive theory is central to their argument.
Dean goes on to detail the interrelationship with so many of the political players in the Nixon White House, and the lessons derived fromthe Nixon example — especially by proponents of the unilateral executive action such as Dick Cheney and David Addington. There has been quite a bit of analytical verbage spilled on the unilateral executive notions of the Cheney cabal, including this from Stuart Taylor (subscription required), this from Jane Mayer, and here and here from FDL, among many, many others.
Glenn had a piece on the executive privilege issue earlier this week, and in an update he and Jack Balkin had a sort of colloquy on the differences between the Nixon and Clinton claims of privilege in a criminal investigation context (wherein claims of privilege by an executive under investigation for criminal wrongdoing would certainly be under more stringent scrutiny) and the current situation of a Congressional investigation not under color of criminal scrutiny. And Glenn makes a very good point: by offering up his own staffers in a political preemptive move to outmaneuver Congressional action in the public opinion arena, President Bush may have, by his own hand, weakened his claims on privilege.
John Dean raises a very good point with regard to the philosophical underpinnings of the unilateral executive crowd, basing a lot of their assumptions on a book written by Terry Eastland entitled "Energy in the Executive: The Case For A Strong Presidency." From John Dean at FindLaw:
Eastland's tutorial, set forth in his book, instructed President Bush and his staff to make a big deal out of protecting presidential prerogatives. So, too, does the unitary executive theory, which was developed at the same time that Reagan's Justice Department was doing what Presidents Ford and Carter had been too wary to do: revive Executive Privilege. Neither Ford nor Carter issued guidelines for the executive branch regarding the use of this privilege, for Nixon had given it such a bad name they dared not use it. But the Reagan Administration dared, and did.
Indeed, Reagan's Attorney General, William French Smith had the nerve to issue a memorandum opinion expressly relying on U.S. v Nixon — the famous Nixon tapes case. In the language quoted by French, the Supreme Court concluded: "The expectation of a President to the confidentiality of his conversations and correspondence … has all the values to which we accord deference for the privacy of all citizens and, added to those values, is the necessity for protection of the public interest in candid, objective, and even blunt or harsh opinions in Presidential decision-making. A President and those who assist him must be free to explore alternatives in the process of shaping policies and making decisions and to do so in a way many would be unwilling to express except privately. These are the considerations justifying a presumptive privilege for Presidential communications. The privilege is fundamental to the operation of Government and inextricably rooted in the separation of powers under the Constitution."
The point that French, elided, however, was that the Court had rejected Nixon's claim of an unqualified privilege, and directed that the tapes be produced for in camera inspection (that is, inspection that is secret even from the parties and their attorneys) by the relevant court.
Moreover, in explaining its holding, the Court reasoned as follows: "[W]hen the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such conversations, a confrontation with other values arises. Absent a claim of need to protect military, diplomatic, or sensitive national security secrets, we find it difficult to accept the argument that even the very important interest in confidentiality of Presidential communications is significantly diminished by production of such material for in camera inspection…."
Not only did this holding result in the rejection of an executive privilege claim, it is also quite vague, and it applies to a judicial, not a legislative subpoena. Nevertheless, Attorney General Smith drew upon it to opine, consistent with the philosophy of protecting presidential prerogatives, that "[t]he interest of Congress in obtaining information for oversight purposes is, I believe, considerably weaker than its interest when specific legislative proposals are in question."
And all of this goes back to the questions raised in and around the US v. Nixon case regarding the tapes and the Nixon Administration's claim of withholding them under color of executive privilege. The balancing test, as put forth in that decision, was between the public's right to know and the Executive's right to candid advice — and the weight that ought to be given more strongly in cases of national security matters and other very serious obligations of Presidential power versus the more overtly political questions raised by the firing of political appointees for potentially politically motivated reasons, which arguably do not fall under the rubric for analysis. Because US v. Nixon was a criminal investigation matter during the impeachment proceedings undertaken by Congress, the question is not directly analogous and, thus, because of this ambiguity, the arguments over whether executive privilege does or does not apply will likely be litigated in some form. Again, from John Dean:
This time, it is my belief that Bush — unlike Reagan before him — will not blink. He will not let Fielding strike a deal, as Fielding did for Reagan. Rather, Bush feels that he has his manhood on the line. He knows what his conservative constituency wants: a strong president who protects his prerogatives. He believes in the unitary executive theory of protecting those prerogatives, and of strengthening the presidency by defying Congress.
In short, all those who have wanted to see Karl Rove in jail may get their wish, for he will not cave in, either — and may well be prosecuted for contempt, as Gorsuch was not. Bush's greatest problem here, however, is Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem.
It comes down to Presidential ego and a grab at unilateral power balanced against the spine of the members of Congress in standing up for institutional balance of powers questions and the Constitution. And the fulcrum on which all of this rests is a judiciary that has been so recently packed with two new Bush appointees that the Congressional Democrats failed to filibuster, and the rights of the American public to scrutiny of the actions taken in their name by their government.
Again, we get back to the fundamental question of philosophy which motivates these unilateral executive proponents and, against which, the Founders of this very nation of ours fought so hard: "l'etat, c'est moi" is hardly the Presidential prerogative that any good patriot ought to allow to stand unchallenged. A reader e-mails me further on this issue, and part of the e-mail is well worth sharing for discussion:
The President can assert a privilege against the disclosure of confidential communications between his close advisors and himself. He can also waive the privilege and allow the disclosure to occur. In this sense, the privilege operates like any other evidentiary rule. In a sense however, it's analogous to the privilege against self-incrimination but broader. A person cannot be compelled to disclose conversations that they had with another that would tend to subject to conviction for (among other things) conspiracy. Executive privilege operates the same way, except more broadly.
Now, the argument: in each case, the privilege assumes that the communication occurred and that there is a disclosure that would otherwise have to be made. Bush takes the position that none of his advisors briefed him with regard to the actions taken on the U.S. attorneys. The privilege holder takes the position that with regard to the subject of the inquiry there were no communications that fall within the privilege. Where is the communication that the privilege would protect? Isn't Fielding taking the position that the privilege protects a status, that merely being a close advisor shields all conduct and communication?
Isn't the smart move now to take the position that Rove is required to appear because the inquiry is likely to explore areas where executive privilege does not apply? Rove will be allowed to assert the government's privilege against disclosure of executive communications on the same basis as he might otherwise assert his personal right against self-incrimination. Assertions of privilege will be considered on a case-by-case basis. When the issue goes to the courts what is presented are questions for which objections were made and a record created.
Long time readers of this blog will no doubt recall that assertions of executive privelege were rumbling out early on in the Libby investigation, as well as with the Cheney energy task force, among many, many other instances with the Bush Adminsitration. This is a battle they have been willing to fight, over and over again, under the delusion that anything the unitary executive wants, he ought to get. (And, to that end, Prof has further thoughts in the comments about the application of the US v. Nixon principles and the Bush Administration's attempt to shoehorn their situation into the exceptions to the rules.)
Seems to me that we fought a Revolutionary War at the founding of this nation to prevent just such an egotistical kingly attitude from prevailing in a nation which was to be governed by the people and for the people. It is well past time that the members of Congress reminded George Bush of just that sentiment. Sunshine is an excellent disinfectant — and I cannot think of a festering group of political cronies that need it more than this cabal, can you?
Related posts:
- Executive Privilege and the Cheney Interview Documents
- George W. Bush, Apparently Unironically, to Unveil Public Policy Institute Today at SMU
- Disgraceful: In 8 Years, George W. Bush Never Greeted Fallen Troops
- George Bush Personally Sent Card, Gonzales to Thug Up Ashcroft
- Wood v. Kagan on Executive Power





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Worse than Watergate!
I have gotten so many questions about Executive privilege — on which I am by no means an expert — that I’ve been doing some digging the last few days. The article from John Dean really pulls a lot of the information that I found into a very coherent whole, and I really recommend reading the entire article.
OT – The Iraq War Debate on CSPAN 1 now is worth watching.
Nancy Pelosi up now. Steny Hoyer was really good earlier as was John Murtha. Patrick Murphy (D-PA) was EXCELLENT.
Catch it on replay if you can.
I guess one question I would ask is what are the factors that disqualify Executive Privilege?
Executive privilege is only about conversations between the presnit and his advisors. Wouldn’t it be somethin’ if those 18 days of missing emails were direct correspondence to/from Bush?
Worse than Teapot Dome!
TROOPS
HOME
NOW
15 minute vote just started on supplemental… Pelosi did good.
disturbance in the gallery.
Pelosi:
“The American people do not support a war without end and neither should this Congress!”
Go Nancy!
er. Christy? I think JD has a missing “not” in that first paragraph.
“Congress wants information, and Bush does want to provide it..” Shouldnt that be “does not want to provide it…”?
Aint the toobz great?
Rove’s hand needs to be treated for sphyllis. Maybe this explains Rove’s madness!
OldCoastie @ 7
Hopefully it is not that codepink guy who stood directly behind Valerie Plame during her testimony. Code Pinks efforts were Completely distracting and unnecessary in that instance.
TiredFed at 9 — I cut and pasted directly from the Dean article. Agreed that he probably intended a “not” there.
of course, John Dean gets EVERY other word right. an amazing piece. not too many precedents to look to, chief among them are Watergate-related. And who would know better than John Dean the lessons of Watergate.
So, now we have an Irve Libby conviction and a J. Steven Griles conviction for lying to congress. Yet we are supposed to believe that Bush’s mafia will not lie again.
-GSD
by offering up his own staffers in a political preemptive move to outmaneuver Congressional action in the public opinion arena, President Bush may have, by his own hand, weakened his claims on privilege.
That, and by dumping the 3000 documents. I’m very interested in others’ opinions as to the extent that the admin might find itself having waived executive privilege by its actions to date.
If communications between GWB and his staffers (assuming that there are occasional instances in which they do let him in the loop) are so sacrosanct – why even offer the behind-doors, no oath, no records “compromise”?
I mentioned the other day that this might be ‘reverse-executive-privilege’ – in that GWB might be embarassed when it comes out that he’s very rarely in the loop about much of anything.
Or it could be that the admin thinks they’ve got a winner here, and now is the time to bring in the packed-as-much-as-they-can-be courts to set the executive primacy in stone.
Or…maybe they know that the DOJ investigation, once started, may never end, and yield one scandal afer another afer another.
Or — ok I’ll stop now.
And sorry this was such a long read, gang — if you saw the volume of material that I read for this and let out, you’d be truly frightened. *g*
Christy:
Great lengthy piece with multiple embedded links. A lot to digest for sure. I’ve been quite impressed with John Dean anytime he’s on Countdown with KO. He would know about executive privilege. He was right in the thick of it with Tricky Dick, whom BushCo is now trying to outdo on many fronts.
Not a lot of precedents in our favor, either. And a SC that is mostly stacked in Bush’s favor is less likely to come down on the side of Congress getting its way here. Not to mention the fact that contempt citations are usually (of late) forward to the Attorney General for pursuit in court. There are alternatives.
I don’t know how you do it, Christy. You are amazing.
EPUd from early this am — sort of OT there, but relevant to this terrific post by Christy …
There’s an interesting piece on HuffPo by Aziz Huq on Executive Privilege.
He looks at Arthur Schlesinger’s history of the precedent and the current case at hand.
Plus, he glances at Bush’s statement the other day that US attorneys “serve at our pleasure” — more people noticing his Freudian slip of the Royal We!
jayt @ 15
Frankly, I think they pretty much waived privilege with their offer to let Rove talk behind closed doors. It’s clear that the President wants to shield Rove’s testimony from the public, not from Congress. I don’t know how you can argue privilege for that.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
Christy -
you have taken your time to sift through all of that specialized professional info and distil the essence for FDL and the IANAL contingent here.
And you bring us the gift of a lot of distillate.
Thanks for your work and the gift you have made of it for us this morning.
RH. I know you did (cut and paste). I read the same thing over at FindLaw. Very strange comment protocol over there, so not sure how to get word to them about a missing word. Drat. Lunch is almost over.
TiredFed @ 18
Kennedy. Kennedy. Kennedy.
I’d feel a lot better, though, if he’d been less wreckless on Bush v. Gore…
Great piece, Christy. Keep the long ones coming.
Tithonia at 19 — Awww, thanks. You, too, kirk at 22. You guys are making me blush.
I’ve been spending a great deal of time with a student from Afghanistan studying here in the states on a Fulbright. He has a wife and children back in Kabul that were unable to come here during his studies due to all of the restrictions after 9/11. He understands the restrictions but misses his family terribly.
We talk a great deal about Afghanistan. HIs family shares that the Taliban has regained a great deal of territory over the last three years. I had not realized that during Afghanistans war with Russia that much of their agricultural exports(fields and trees) had been destroyed during that war.
Pomegrante, almonds, the sheep industry destroyed etc. There is a great need to restore their agricultural out put. Not happenning with our focus on the war of choice in Iraq.
Well folks, this may be the end of the road for me, I think I got the job I interviewed for this morning. Drat. Now to reaad the post
I’m not so sure that Harriett Miers would not lie under oath. She’s a loyal Bushie and, as such, lying is a requisite skill. As for prison, would not a work wife be willing to do anything to protect her husband?
How can the executive branch claim such secretive and holy privilege when ordinary citizens are being spied on regularly by the same government?
My head is spinning.
Great post Christy and kudos to John Dean– thank you.
Kathleen @ 26– thanks for that. The Russians have a lot to answer for, and so does Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and us. Poppy is not the crop that Afghans want to grow at all.
and let me add my thanks, christy. wonderful work as always. if I could distill half as well, I would be making white lightning.
Jwoods @ 4
Executive Privilege is discussed in the Congressional Oversight Manual, starting on page 39.
I’d find a few select quotes, but I’ve already used up my ‘lenghty copy-and-paste’ quota for the day…Lotsa good stuff at the link.
OT, but for my money the best connect-the-dots site. Find out what Iraq has cost your community.
Link: http://nationalpriorities.org/…..Itemid=182
Emptywheel denconstructs Novak and lays him bare. Ewwwww. That’s a horrible thought. Anybody have brain bleach concentrate I can borrow?
Reading Novak II, Part One
“… then I think I ought to take the time (we’re talking a four-part series, I think) to show that Novak is a lying douchebag.”
LINK
GReat piece Christy. I go to John Dean findlaw regularly. His three part article on impeaching lower level Bush administration officials was well worth reading.
Kathleen at 26 — There are a number of fantastic books — both fiction and nonfiction — that chronicle a lot of this. Afghanistan had gorgeous orchards that had been providing incredible produce for that nation and beyond since the days of the Silk Road. Take a peek at “The Kite Runner,” “The Bookseller of Kabul” and “An Unexpected Light” for starters. There are many others, but those three have stuck with me, and haunt me in some ways, long after I read them.
For the legal experts at FDL –
IF those subpoena’d refuse to testify before Congress, can the House act on the presumption of “high crimes and misdemeanors*” on the part of the Bush administration and impeach both Bush and Cheney?
*I.E., if they’re refusing to talk they must be hiding something?
OK this may have worked in part for other administrations, but these people have proven over and oever again that at their best they are incompetant.
TiredFed @ 13
I do not find John Dean to be particulary sharp or insightful. I read Worse than Watergate soon after it was published, in the early days when few were being as open about the problem as that book. Nonetheless, it left me a little cold, namely because the problems he pointed out didn’t come to a boil for years, and some not yet–for example, Cheney’s health.* His Conservatives Without Conscience was a REAL disappointment. All conclusiory, no analysis, just repeating past academic studies that supported his conclusion, without even being analytical or critical. Equally disappointed with his appearance on KO last night. I’ve decided he’s a lightweight–maybe we shouldn’t be surprised since he worked for Nixon. But at least he doesn’t seem to do any harm.
*H’mmm, the wingnuts didn’t mention Cheney’s health when talking about Elizabeth Edwards’ yesterday.
Lets see if any of our readers can see where th ese come from.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offencesFor taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.I believe it is time for a Declaration of Independence version 2.0!
Preview is my friend.
Looks like the House bill is going to pass on 1591 — at least, it looks that way because they are at 216 — they need two more votes.
looks like Nancy passed the supplemental spending bill.
HR 1591 – just passed
11 dems voted no
2007 Iraq/Afghanistan spending bill (hr1591) passes House 218 – 212
I’m confused. So if Rove is subpoenaed to testify about executive privilege, if he did talk to Bush, then he theoretically has the right/responsibility not to say anything. But if he did things and didn’t tell Bush, then he has to spill his guts? So if he testifies and doesn’t say anything, we then know (or are forced to believe) that Bush approved everything. If he testifies because he has no privilege, then we know that Rove operated independently and without authority (and is therefore nothing more than a rogue criminal).
This sound like “Checkmate!”
Just at 218 by what I’m seeing now.
It appears the supplemental has passed.
218 – 212
14 dems voted no.
FUCK YEAH!!!
Terrific post, Christy.
The vote on the House supplemental bill just received the necessary votes to pass. 218-212, with one member voting “present.”
there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Clinton’s B J could not be designated “executive privilige”?
BIngo it passed
Scarecrow at 48 — Thanks, my brain is very tired now. *g*
Badwater @ 28
No Bushie would know the difference between truth & lie.
Any true understanding of this situation will be incomplete until we have access not only to the White House email server, but also to the GWB43 server that so many of the participants were using. We need full discovery,
Snow having a growth in his abdomen removed – will be out for a few weeks. Doctors won’t know what it is until removed.
Once again, this is a fabulously substantial and thorough post. One aspect that particularly fascinates me is Dean’s comment that because Harriet Miers is no longer at the White House, she may represent an area of vulnerability for Bush. It seems like the bulk of this battle is still about to unfold; I can’t help but wonder how different it would have been/will be if Bush had gotten Miers installed on the Supreme Court.
Wil @ 27
Congratulations, Wil!
Snow praising Elizabeth Edwards.
It’s clear the GOP is a poison in our country, a political party engineered around the notion of subverting and destroying the Constitution. Democrats are often declared enemies of the state, but the enemy of the democratic principles at the foundation of this country is the GOP.
I kind of fixed my post at 39.
What a cock up that was.
Preview is my friend.
OldCoastie @ 49
Not much light for the Iraqi people. At least 600,ooo dead, who knows how many injured. Millions running for their lives. All the while most Americans with their pedals to the metal, and heads in the clouds.
Outrageous and Criminal!
So many bright people spending so much time on an idea that is reprehensible.
We’re not talking about a philosopher king or even a benign despot; we’re dealing with criminals who want to commit crimes without consequence. All this beard stroking over the Constitutional affront that is the Unitary Executive is simply a discussion of the bank robber’s fabulous outfit.
This is not intended, in any way, to slight CHS or JD–two people for whom I have boundless admiration! I’m just sick of running rabbits.
Hmm, will Harriet Miers be the next Judy Miller?
Here’s what the Post’s legal blogger, Andrew Cohen, thought about executive privilege on March 21. It ain’t promising:
You have to be concerned that Scotus sent the Cheney Energy case back to the Appeals Court, which then ruled in Cheney’s favor. Would the Appeals Court see Purgegate any differently?
Mandrake @ 54
Snow is a cancer survivor, no?
I am not a crook.
Mod: Please take us out of typewriter font.
puppethead, why is it that Cool Cool Conservative Men is echoing in my head?
Where is our John Adams?
Mod: from # 39 on–
Wow!!!!!
Thanks Christy,
I grew up in DC during Watergate and this feels like deja vu all over again. I just hope the Dems have the balls to hold their ground on all this but my big concern is the courts. They are so packed especially in the DC appeals that I am worried that they will go with loyalty and not the law. After all the Supremes did it in 2000 and that was before Alito et al.
That would be me.
Sorry.
Mandrake @ 54
Incubus.
The decider is going to have a televised reaction to the vote, where he will promptly announce he’s going to veto it! Now that is what I call supporting the troops. NOT!
If everyone will please refresh your screen, the coding issue has been fixed already.
Should be fixed.
Privilege? Here’s what enables Nixon, Bush and the rest to do what they do.
From Bill Moyers:
Our political system is promiscuous as well as primitive. The first modern fundraiser in American politics – Mark Hanna, who shook down the corporations to make William McKinley President of the United States in 1896 – once said there are two important things in politics. “One is money, and I can’t remember the other one.” Because our system feeds on campaign contributions, the powerful and the privileged shape it to their will. Only 12% of American households had incomes over $100,000 in 2000, but they made up 95% of the substantial donors to campaigns and have been the big winners in Washington ever since.
Damn Christy, that sure was on hell of a post. And please, never apologize for length again, I live for these details.
Brisingamen @ 36
IANALE, but, if they refuse to testify they would/could be held in contempt of Congress. The legal experts can tell us what happens at that point.
Badwater @ 28
I know there’s risk of underestimating these folks, but I have to wonder if Harriet is bright enough to keep it all the lies straight.
Just remembering those ditzy notes she wrote Shrub — “You are the best governor ever — deserving of great respect!” Blech.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 62
there’s another option, folks. the House (or Senate) can do this themselves, without the AG or the SC.
Wil @ 74
I second that vote…details. Thanks again Christy. John Dean is certainly filled with insight and details. All of the other links were appreciated.
“prosecuted for contempt”..please
TONY SNOW JUST RESIGNED!!!
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Neil @ 3
My son, Cadet Countertenor, soon to be Lt. Countertenor called to tell me a joke that’s making the rounds among our troops in Iraq.
Osama bin Ladin, a Canadian trooper and a US Army engineer were walking along a beach, when they came across a scruffy-looking bottle. ObL picked it up and scuffed at it a little bit, but dropped it when smoke started coming out the top.
The genie appeared, looked at the three and said, “Okay — you guys know the drill. Three wishes, but since I don’t know who rubbed the bottle, you get one each. You first,” he said, pointing at the Canadian trooper.
“Hey, like a wish, eh? I’m a farmer, my brother’s a farmer, and my father’s a farmer. Make the soil in Canada forever fertile, and send me back there!”
The genie claps his hands and says, “It is done.” The trooper disappears. “Okay, you with the beard, next!”
ObL says, “Erect an impregnable wall around Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan and transport all of Allah’s Faithful there, so we can live in peace separated from the infidels.”
The genie claps his hands and says again, “It is done.” ObL disappears in a puff of smoke. The genie turns to the engineer, and asks what he wants.
The engineer thinks for a bit and says, “Tell me about this wall.”
The genie says, “It is 50 kilometers high and 20 kilometers thick, nothing can enter and nothing can leave its confines.”
The engineer thinks for a second and says, “Good. Fill it with water.”
Folks, we have a problem in Iraq — humor is revealing.
BC
Kathleen @ 79
I third it. The reason blogs are so much better then the MSM is that articles are not dumbed down and shortened for space. I lover the details.
Iquiring minds want to know.
From Justin Raimando latest article at Antiwar.com
“The idea that the Democrats are any kind of “peace party” is belied by the latest action of the Speaker in regard to this bill, who excised a provision that would have required the President to come to Congress for permission to attack Iran. And, gee, what a coincidence, but that this was done right after the recent conference of the American-Israel Political Affairs Committee, where Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert declared:
“I know that… all of you who are concerned about the security and the future of the State of Israel understand the importance of strong American leadership addressing the Iranian threat, and I am sure you will not hamper or restrain that strong leadership unnecessarily.”
JEP @ 79
er, I think he’s taking a few weeks off for surgery.
Oh, that’s really very sad for him, JEP– he probably has a recurrence of his cancer.
Christy -
How would any subpoenas get by the Roberts court? Unless the issue becomes obstruction (quite possible,actually) is USAGate really the best framework on which congress is to at last exercise its withered spine?
Thank you, as always
What I am asking is whether the Congress can keep the case from going to the Supreme Court?
Here’s what I’m visualizing: Rove et alia refuse to appear before Congress in spite of the subpoenas. The Congressional response would be to begin impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney because if they don’t want their people to appear, they must be concealing a crime.
This way the Supremes won’t be involved in the situation at all. Basically, I’m saying Bush and Cheney’s actions would indicate they have committed ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,’ therefore there are grounds to impeach.
Maybe Snow doesn’t want to front for the most corrupt administration in the history of America anymore.
Is Tommy Flanagan available? That’s the ticket.
-GSD
epu’d (again-HA!)
maunga
left you a comment for your ‘cranky’ self at 198 in last thread
johnny wheat(something)
left you a link at 206 in last thread
now going back to read new post
am two steps behind today, but the view is nice…….lol…….
((((fdl))))
OldCoastie @ 83
Often said that stress and tension not good for cancer patients.
My apologies if this has been addressed earlier and I missed it:
If Karl Rove was using GWB43.com or other outside e-mail would that nullify claims of executive privilege since the communications would no longer be “internal White House communications”?
Mandrake @ 54
I was going to speculate that it might be his head, but if he’s a cancer survivor that would be insensitive.
JEP @ 80
Source? I agree with Angie that it would be tragic if he’s had a recurrence.
Bush “has no recollection” of being in the room when the firings were discussed. The 16 days missing from the email dump may coincide with Bush on vacation. Ergo, he’s lying and has orchestrated every move first hand, resuming the machinations upon his return. Where are the emails exiting the White House on this topic? If Bush was out of the loop, how can he be fighting his advisors coming under oath in public with transcripts?? John Dean has watched and has been in this movie before. He sees a classic coverup at the tip of a planet sized scandal set. He was prescient in his two previous books on what Bush Co. would foist on the American people. I’m glad he’s around for the third book he’s writing on this group of bad actors. Bush is a coward and won’t resign, so we’re getting to the good part of payback.
Uh oh. A suspicious growth on or in the abdomen is not good news. Like Elizabeth Edwards, I wish him the best.
deleted – bad taste
I’d like to hear Schumer, Leahy say:
What is the White House, Rove, Snow trying to hide? We are shocked that they would dig their heals in over what is a common practice, having aides testify before Congress. And they should welcome the opportunity to clear the air by explaining why they believe the USA firings were handled correctly. To demand secret meetings, with no record, no accountability, and limited access is an odd request and everyone should be asking themselves – Why? If there is nothing to hide, then why demand secrecy?
I did notice he looked unusually peaked the last time I saw him these past few days.
Best wishes to him for a recovery. To be blunt, working in that position must not be very conducive to personal and mental health.
-GSD
i think that this is a stunt to garner sympathy just like RUSH said about Elizabeth Edward’s . . .
god speed Bolony FAUX; get well soon.
I gave myself a time out for not ending the tags.
I see this,
TONY SNOW JUST RESIGNED!!!
er, I think he’s taking a few weeks off for surgery.
And then I go to Raw Story and see this,
Breaking: Bush to have surgery for small growth in abdomen.
And now I am confused.
sorta OT: possible false flag operation in persian gulf with brit soldiers “detained”….
OK, maybe Snow’s just going to be gone a few weeks out, just wishful thinking on my part, just call me “JEPolitico.”
arvo @ 53
I think that wasn’t the only domain used. But I’m with ya.
Oh, and wouldn’t I love them having to invoke executive privilege case by case during testimony…
rxbusa @ 91
Well, you probably couldn’t use privilege for those particular e-mails, but I’m guessing the gwb43.com site has some industrial-strength deletion software. That’s just a guess, of course. You never know when some intrepid tech person is going to burn a disc of incriminating files, just in case it might come in handy some day…
so how come this headline at Raw Story?
http://www.rawstory.com/
good grief.
Christy,
Thanks once again for a very informative article. FDL has become my source of sanity.
Frank Probst @
95
Thank you, Frank.
He may be a shill, but he’s human first and foremost, and no potential recurrance should be considered good news.
IANAL, but on this bit:
I would be tempted to rebut with Kelo v. City of New London.
The acts of the Presidency do not belong to him as a private citizen; they belong to the people, who delegate powers to him. He governs by their consent alone. The people therefore take possession of any communications resulting from the execution of presidential duties for public use.
Part of the USAs Scandal is the question of loyalty to the President: it is horrifying that this is part of the test. Where does the oath to protect and defend the Constitution figure for any of these people? The never talk about the Constitution. They talk about Bush, and Bush talks about protecting the Merkin people.
I don’t want their Permanent Repuplican Majority One Party State, or their Unitary Executive Elected Emperors. I want a Nation of Laws, and I want the Constitution back.
Busted – Raw Story is wrong… Snow is going in for surgery for an abdominal growth…
what is it with all this cancer going around? scary…
Over at Raw Story it says “Breaking: Bush to have surgery for small growth in abdomen”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 35
Michener’s “Caravans” has always stuck with me. It ends with the Soviet threat to close off Afghanistan looming on the horizon.
I’ve been saying this for a while…the supreme court is going to decide on behalf of the president and the unitary executive
congress has GOT to cut that off before it even gets there…they cannot allow the supreme court to have a hand in this outcome
they need to be clear;
“mr president you are faced with one of two choices;
you honor subpeona and allow this body to perform it’s sworn obligation or
you will be impeached”
no supreme court trial, none
If it’s private President and advisor(s) conversations they want to protect then it seems clear George was involved in some discussions about the US Attorneys being fired and replaced.
Can you say impeach. I knew you could.
If they just want to protect the public from hearing government officials lying their butts off, then there’s no reason to avoid having them under oath. Just take their testimony behind closed doors.
If they just want to annoy Dems (don’t underestimate this) then they will just continue to over-reach until they’re guilty of something and have a public approval rating of about 0.01%.
perris @ 113
ditto-ditto-ditto ad infinitum…
IANAL but I agree that it looks like the dems in Congress could lose this executive privilege fight if they issue subpoenas now – which is, I’m assuming, the reason they’re not doing that.
Both Schumer and Leahy on KO talked about other DOJ witnesses coming forth – people who are sick of what’s going on there – people who know stuff. Schumer said it will come out.
So, I’m thinking that the dems not only have a lot more than they’re saying but are also doing heavy investigating now – working on getting CRIMINAL evidence first – obstruction of justice – maybe especially in the Carol Lam and the L.A. investigations of republicans that were halted and obstructed. Maybe a lot more.
If this becomes a case about criminality, then doesn’t it become like Nixon/Watergate? I mean where the “executive privilege” smokescreen goes out the window? Where even the Bush-packed courts probably won’t try to protect executive privilege if it’s obvious it’s being claimed to protect (possible) crimes?
I think a good alternate framing of the current struggle over testimony would be that the White House is proposing to provide information of their choosing privately to Congress. But they do not owe it to Congress, they owe it to the American people who they serve.
(The Bush Administration only cares about dealing with “important people,” in their worldview, we don’t even exist.)
Hey Christie –
Great post, but I think I disagree with JD on one point. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the privilege, but it would seem to me that, all other things being equal, the sole fact that Miers is no longer employed by the WH wouldn’t disqualify the privilege if it met all of the other requirements. I use as my analogy the ordinary client who switches lawyers in the middle of a criminal defense. Certainly the prosecution couldn’t, upon the switch, subpoena the first lawyer for either conversations with the client or work product. While I realize that we’re talking attorney/client on the one hand and executive on the other, it would seem to me that the privilege, being established to allow the executive to get unfettered advice, would be dependent on the conversations themselves and the relationship of the parties at the time of the conversations, not at the time of the subpoenas. Am I missing something?
Alison @ 63
Yes, it appears he had colon cancer.
Rudy G. and his wife have been married 6 times between them. Gotta love people who love that much.
I hear Ari Fleisher is looking for work.
Kathleen @ 111
They’re wrong on that – it’s Tony Snow. Just heard him talking about it in today’s presser.
angie @ 105
Something tells me they left out the word “Spokesman”. I mean, there’s a cancer growing on the Presidency and all, but jeesh.
Redshift @ 112
Oh my goodness! Caravan was one of my favorites! I particularly remember one passage about the heat in the desert being so intense that your nose dries and bleeds if you touch it. I later went to Turkmenistan and thought about that bit incessantly.
A group of 120 US marines has been tossed out of Afghanistan. I think it relates to the incident where the soldiers confiscated and erased press pictures and film and digital images.
Iraq just had a VP blown up.
The UN Sec. Gen. shit a pickle when a mortar landed near him, just after hearing how great things were going in Iraq. AL Maliki is the new Baghdad Bob.
Iran has reportedly seized 15 British sailors for operating in Iranian waters.
This is building and building and building.
-GSD
Redshift @ 111
Thanks for the suggestions. I have read the “Kite Runner”. I am learning a great deal from this young man, and his direct communications with his family. Very sad to think about the pain, war and destruction that the Afghani people have suffered due to their geographic location.
The student from Afghanistan has shared stories about walking to Pakistan with his whole family(13 kids) soon after Russia’s invasion. They were bombed as they walked and his oldest sister was killed. He was 5 at the time.
I will look into those other books
dratty at 118 — I don’t think Dean was talking about Miers so much in terms of the privilege assertion itself, but more in terms of the motivations of the Bush White House in trying to keep her from testifying. Try looking at it through that lens.
everhopeful @ 116
I think we’re getting way ahead of ourselves by worrying about executive privilege here. The key players in the House and the Senate aren’t stupid. They voted to authorize subpoenas but did not issue them. There is a threat of executive privilege, but it has yet to be invoked. Both committees are going to do quite a bit more digging before the subpoenas are served, which means Team Bush is going to look a lot worse. (And frankly, they’re already twisting in the wind.) All hell could break loose long before we get to the subpoenas. Patience.
Cancer is not a good thing for anyone, whether Dem, Repug, whatever. We are all human beings.
FYI: Cspan 3 has the Senate debate from yesterday about subpoenas. Pass the popcorn Please !
Frank Probst @
104
That’s the juicy way.
Backups and replicas. You hope the Administrator worried about losing data and took judicious backups and didn’t erase or reuse them.
Oh, and remember when you’re looking through the e-mail file to check the deleted folder. Amazing what you find in there.
perris @ 113
we know what happened last time, don’t we?????
Bargain Countertenor – that’s a pretty disturbing “joke” about genocide …
Wonder why our Islamic brothers and sisters think of this as a new crusade?
Mandrake @ 54
Prolly related to the colon cancer he was diagnosed with in early 2005. His mother died from it when he was 17.
TiredFed @ 78
This issue is bi-partisan, unlike the Cheney energy panel. The White House was getting rid of Republicans in U.S. Attorney positions. It’s likely that Republican lawyers on the bench may feel more sympathetic to their own kind than to Karl Rove.
lolo at 130 — Thanks somuch for the heads up. I missed this yesterday, and am thrilled to have an opportunity to watch part of it today. Many thanks!
RE: John Dean —
He and co-author Bob Altemeyer are going to stop by DailyKos tomorrow afternoon at 1PM (ET?) to discusss their new book The Authoritarians.
OldCoastie @ 110
Tell me about it. My best friend is up in NY right now visiting with her brother, most likely for the last time, as he has terminal brain cancer.
And I know so many women or friends of friends who’ve had brushes with breast cancer (myself included) or more serious diagnoses.
I recommend everyone watch The Corporation if they haven’t seen it. It touches on the toxins in the evironment stuff and how cancer rates have risen over time since people started playing around with chemicals 60 some-odd years ago.
kirk murphy @
22
Christy- petting you ears an’ scratching your chin here!
Raw Story fixed their headline.
“The key players in the House and the Senate aren’t stupid”. But some are complete chicken shits and are willing to operate from a world of twisted double standards. Investigate lies about blow jobs but not intelligence snowjobs. That is a very serious problem and a horrible example of our questionable justice system. The whole world is laughing at this one.
Some are dying in Iraq due to the lack of oversight.
We are beginning to see some “chutzpah”
Siun,
Have you gotten the chance to see 300 yet?
-GSD
P.S. As to the genocide, folks can hear calls for genocide from Boston radio hack Severin daily. You know, casually dropped nuclear bombs in ME nations. He’s of the same as genocide advocate Savage too.
grape_crush @ 31
Thanks for the link. Good info.
OT
Rep. Ted Poe (Dickhead-TX) just destroyed ChimpCo’s argument that Carol Lam didn’t prosecute enough immigration cases, saying it takes TX USA’s 6 border violations before they prosecute… Shocked!
Siun @ 133
i will second you on your thoughts, Siun.
I’ll just add that there is a wall imprisoning Palestinians right now. I wonder if that is the genesis of the “joke”.
Oh yeah, if Kevin works for DOJ, reading this thread, subpoena Kevin’s computer too.
Who knows what Kevin was “sharing” between his work and home computers.
tbsa @
47
The republicans helped us out a lot here. This is a pretty flabby bill that nevertheless took a lot of whipping. But now it’s established that the pro-war party is the republic, and the anti-war party is the Democratic.
Do we know who the Dem nays were? Blue Dogs or out of iraqers?
hey does anyone else think it is weird that there has been no presidental JAR this week? keep checking on RCP but nada
Kathleen @ 90
The constant demand to lie at the behest of your boss can’t be good for your health. Occupational hazard?
jayackaroyd – crossover votes listed at americablog.
Leahy on KO: “I realize U.S. Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president, but the U.S. justice system does not serve at the pleasure of either this president or any other president. And we intend to find out just what happened.”
Mandrake -
Have been keeping extra caring thoughts of you in my mind the last few days. Hope your stickers are still with you. *g* Heading homeward tomorrow; ETA Monday; probably back east by next weekend.
Good lord, John Kyl is SUCH a tool. (Watching the hearings from yesterday’s Senate Judiciary subpoena authorization, and Kyl just grates on my last nerve with his shading of facts and half-truths and legal misinterpretations.)
perris @ 113
I agree that the court is right leaning, but they have to consider the fact that there most liely be a good guy in office in 21 months and the precedent may not work out all that well. Kinda related to T-Rex’s post the other night.
lolo @ 130
It is so worth watching the Republicans try to avoid stepping into the cleansing glow of oversight sunshine.
AS for Tony Snow, if he has had a recurrence, it is tragic. But those of you who jumped on my excalmation, there seems to be a body of lurkers waiting for someone to TRASH Tony Snow, and you would be hard pressed to interpret my statement as trashing himpersnally.
Careful FDLers, there’s obviously some folks “out there” pre-positioned and prepared, just waiting for us here in the leftosphere to use this negatively, so they can offset the backlash that has occurred to Rush’s and the rest of their bashing the Edwards’.
Tony, I wish you well. But I hope you resign, for your own sake, and forgive me if I seemed vulturistic, my exclamation was not one of joy but of amazement at the moment.
I would never wish Tony Snow or anyone ill health, but I would certainly wish we could trust our onw White House to tell us the truthinstead of spinning and twisting every tiny particle of news to fit their lies.
This is OT but I felt it might help some folks. I feel kind of stupid to bring this up, as I’m sure most of the folks here already know this but. Is everyone familiar with a site called “TheHungerSite.com” where you can go, click on the button, and the sponsors provide a cup of food for each click to disadvantaged, and poor areas? If you do, then you are probably already aware of the companion siste called respectively TTheBreastCancerSite (help to fund mammograms for poor women), TheChildHealthSite (funds children’s healthcare), TheLiteracySite (books for kids), TheRainforestSite (buys so many square feet per click for preservation), and TheAnimalRescueSite (food for animals in shelters). They are all dot com sites but all you have to do is go to the first one. After you click and are taken to the thank you page, just scroll down and choose the next site until you;ve clicked through them all. It Is legit, although the Hunger site did have a little trouble a few years ago. You can sheck snopes or about dot com if you like. It takes about two to five minutes depending on speed. For myself, it’s pretty much the first thing I do after I’ve logged on and checked my e0mail each morning.
Every little bit helps!!
Christy Hardin Smith @
153
Which makes one wonder why, if Kyl is such a good little right-wing water carrier, that his and McCain’s suggested nominee Diane Humetewa to replace USA Paul Charlton was rejected out of hand?
Hmm-mmm.
I very large reason why most Middle Eastern people have so much contempt for America is our severe un-evenhandedness of the Palestinian-Israeli question. I want a fair settlement to this conflict. Give the Palestinians a homeland.
Can someone explain to me why, if our justice system is supposed to be apolitical, the USAs are political appointees?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 136
You’re welcome, I don’t think they televised it yesterday I only saw clips on the teevee.
Wil at 154
“I agree that the court is right leaning, but they have to consider the fact that there most liely be a good guy in office in 21 months and the precedent may not work out all that well. Kinda related to T-Rex’s post the other night.”
They can always claim the same “non-precedence” they used in Bush V. Gore.
Illegal as hell, but that hasn’t stopped them before, on an issue of deadly importance, at least as far a 3000 dead American soldiers and tens of thousands returning wounded.
And a few hundred thousand dead Iraqis.
lolo @ 161
Just radio
Siun @ 133
Yup, yup. Actually, with good delivery, it *is* pretty funny. But when you start thinking about what it is saying about the way our troops are thinking over there, it’s disturbing.
As I said, we’ve got a problem over there and I don’t think we can get them home quickly enough.
BC
Sparkles the Iguana @
62
IANAL but isn’t the difference betwe the Ceheny case and this that the people wanting Cheney’s information were not Congress but private Orgs such as PAW? There is a hell of a difference between non-Government entities wanting information from the Exec branch and Congress wanting it I would think…
I couldn’t help thinking watching Elizabeth Edwards yesterday, she is unfortunate in some ways and yet very fortunate in others – e.g. to be independently wealthy, never having to worry about how she’s going to pay for her next cancer treatment and those biologic, smart cancer drugs.
Tithonia @ 160
Excellent question, and a discussion we should be having in a public forum. Surely Republicans have as much concern about this as Democratic Party folk; even a system like the Parsky Commission in California, allegedly designed to be bipartisan, can easily be gamed to ensure only “friendlies” get the nod.
Savor this:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
“A Dem Congressman tore into The Washington Post editorial page on the House floor today, placing the blame squarely on the paper for helping land America in the Iraq mess.
– Greg Sargent”
(Representative Obey)
When it comes to the Palestinians, our government doesn’t even bother to talk the talk anymore. Let alone walk the talk. I’m angry about this. To no end it seems.
Rayne @ 166
And has this problem never come up in the last 200 years?
OT – Chimp presser (re: Iraq spending bill passed in the house) scheduled to start in 8 mins.
JEP @ 155
I would not wish Tony Snow ill health..but Cheney Bush the rest of the warmongers responsible for the deaths and injuries of so many. I wish. sorry but I am not above that
Excellent post. Thanks.
Don’ya just love the republic’s recent talking point: the Dems are loading a piece of legislation w/pork.
Shoe, meet other foot.
Kucinich voted no. Surprised. Why would he?
I wonder how these Supreme Court justices will decide cases when a Democratic President is in office. Will Alito be as “It’s OK if the President says so” then?
Thank you Representative Obey!!!! I needed that.
Henry Waxman to the white courtesy phone, please. Henry Waxman to the…
Biodun @ 175
“If you want peace, stop funding this war,” said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio.
Waccamaw @ 174
Exactly, it’s rich isn’t it?
Wil @ 154
we have before us today a depravity nobody could have ever imagined
you can rest assured alito and roberts will have NO trouble finding one way for one client and the reverse for the next
they’ve done it in the private sector
in other words a ruling that will stand for bush will not stand for a democrat
rest assured
Tithonia @ 160
Senate approval assuaged the political influence of this appointment process, until one of the evil minions of S.P.E.C.T.O.R. inserted secret language into a bill, which took this power away in the name of 9-11.
The Senate has that power back again, but one must wonder how they ever let that pass in the first place,without someone saying “Hey, wait a minute, what’s this new BS someone added to the bill overnight?”
It was certainly never debated in the Senate, I doubt if even most Republican senators would have been willing to hand over their most important oversight so casually.
NH
New Hamsher
Letters to Gonzo
Thanks Jane!
OK Kiddo– you may be interested in reading this speech by Ilan Pappe wrt Palestine/Israel.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar07/gyaku18.htm
Hugh, 9:08 last thread: EPU’ed, but OMG, IIRC, WRT these MSM WATBs at the WaPo and the NYT, they should just STFU IMHO.
Can we add this to the group of Hugh’s language threads?
*Bush is a five alarm failure.
*North Korea just bailed out on the “breakthrough” talks.
*Iran is telling the US to F-off.
*Afghanistan is a narco-terrorist state run by a US/Neo-con lackey and warlords.
*Iraq is melting down into cauldron of sectarian civil war and imperial mass kiling.
*His government is now so corrupt that he has to maintain his people in power or the whole ball of institutional wax melts.
He’s lost two wars, a chunk of NY, New Orleans, one space shuttle, national credibility, the constitution the support of 70% of his own constituents.
-GSD
hungersite link
breastcancer site
dakine01, thank you so much for mentioning those sites. I believe my last 2 mammograms were funded this way, and I’m very grateful for this.
twolf1 @ 177
Kucinich led the pack in voting no against the war resolution in 2002. Kucinich has a conscience and chutzpah.
JEP @ 180
This is something that has always bothered me, re the voting on bills that haven’t been read. Isn’t that why the congressfolks have staffs? I almost threw up when Conyers made the statement that most bills aren’t read in Farenheit 9/11
The fourth photo shows why Bush can keep sneering at you. Until people recognize that the government has forfeited its legitimate monopoly on the use of force, nothing will change.
Margot @ 187
My pleasure. I just wish I had thought to post the info earlier :})
Thanks, twolf1.
Tithonia @ 170
There was some ruckus during the Clinton administration; I recall noise about a USA in California regarding investigations into campaign financing and a departure under Janet Reno.
But I think it’s taken decades for the Republican Party to reach a point where they had obtained such absolute power that they felt they could game the system with impunity. They “owned” a veto-proof majority in Congress, they owned the White House, they’ve since taken possession of the Supreme Court and have been picking away at the judiciary through appointments that have been just as questionable as that of the USA’s.
Under Clinton, there was push-pull because no single party possessed this much power; ditto under Reagan and Carter and Nixon.
This is the reason why I have had to become a partisan as never before. I may have voted consistently as a Democrat, but I am now forced to do so to offset the overwhelming abuse of power by a single party in possession of all three branches of government.
Judicial
Patrick J. Leahy (202) 224-4543
CHAIRMAN, D-VERMONT
Edward M. Kennedy (202) 224-4242
D-MASSACHUSETTS
Arlen Specter (202) 224-4254
RANKING MEMBER, R-PENNSYLVANIA
Joseph R. Biden, Jr.(202) 224-5042
D-DELAWARE
Orrin G. Hatch (202) 224-5251
R-UTAH
Herb Kohl
D-WISCONSIN (202) 224-5653
Charles E. Grassley (202) 224-3744
R-IOWA
Dianne Feinstein (202) 224-3841
D-CALIFORNIA
Jon Kyl (202) 224-4521
R-ARIZONA
Russell D. Feingold (202) 224-5323
D-WISCONSIN
Jeff Sessions (202) 224-4124
R-ALABAMA
Charles E. Schumer (202) 224-6542
D-NEW YORK
Lindsey Graham (202) 224-5972
R-SOUTH CAROLINA
Richard J. Durbin (202) 224-2152
D-ILLINOIS
John Cornyn (202) 224-2934
R-TEXAS
Benjamin L. Cardin (202) 224-4524
D-MARYLAND
Sam Brownback (202) 224-6521
R-KANSAS
Sheldon Whitehouse
D-RHODE ISLAND (202) 224-2921
Tom Coburn (202) 224-5754
R-OKLAHOMA
Tithonia @ 160
For the same reason the President’s Cabinet are political appointees…
Each Administration has different goals, and the President picks people to head agencies who will pursue those goals.
Now, the Justice Department includes the US Attorneys and the FBI. The Judicial Branch is the Federal Court System, with the Supremes at the top of the heap. The Justice Department pursues criminals, the Judiciary judges them.
If TPM’s example onthe 3000 emails released recently is any example, we could volunteer “the blogs” as a way to vet these bills between the time they are done debating and the time they actually vote on them, if enough of us were reading these, we would certainly catch those “different versions” before they got voted on…
Just a thought…
How does one square the current administrations thirst for “executive energy” (pun intended?) if a Democratic candidate is elected in 2008? Would this level of privilege extend to the new president? Or is it a matter of the current administration’s confidence in NEVER having leaving the White House (or at least able to pass it on to another Republican)?
I guess I’m just saying that it seems short sighted of them to expend the energy to carve out this privilege if they didn’t intend to keep it. Why develop it and then give it away?
I think that the real motive is not the ideological quest for executive branch power, but more the short term political expediency of the Bush/Cheney need for power and secrecy to line their pockets and those of their cronies.
Excellent post, Christy — many of us appreciate the richness and the details.
Democrats voting against the measure:
John Barrow, Georgia
Dan Boren, Oklahoma
Lincoln Davis, Tennessee
Dennis Kucinich, Ohio
Barbara Lee, California
John Lewis, Georgia
Jim Marshall, Georgia
Jim Matheson, Utah
Mike McNulty, New York
Mike Michaud, Maine
Gene Taylor, Mississippi
Maxine Waters, California
Diane Watson, California
Lynn Woolsey, California
Republicans voting for it:
Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland
Walter Jones, North Carolina
JEP @ 196
Excellent idea.
Christy, you amaze me. Now to read Dean’s article.
Cancer is beyond politics.
while the bill does contain funding –it’s not quite all gooper like –quite bit is funding for Katrina victims and other emergency funding
not passed by the losers who used to be in control even shrill shill AB Stoddard of the Hill tried to tell Tucker Faye Carlson the appropriations added in weren’t all like the pork earmarks of the goopers…
kemo #178,
I commented on this in the last thread. Read the deal: no cooperation demand, the minimum 10 months, 5 to be served at the home of his girlfriend who just left Justice where she was an assistant attorney general.
Rayne @ 193
So Rayne, what does this mean for Dems when they own the WH and both houses of Congress? Do we suddenly have to stop aggressively voting a straight Democratic ticket? And if so, which house of Congress do we give up?
Rayne
“But I think it’s taken decades for the Republican Party to reach a point where they had obtained such absolute power that they felt they could game the system with impunity.”
It goes back decades, for sure, but the real starting point of this latest wave of ultimate corruption started with Newt gingrich and his contract on America, and since then they have steadily and inexorably grown in their hubris.
They really DID expect the gravy train to flow forever. I would expect they psychologists of the future will label a new syndrome, sort of a post-Democratic-takeover syndrome along the lines of post-traumatic stress disorder.
They are STILL shell-shocked and in ultimate denial that matches their ultimate corruption, so much so that they continue to repeat lies that have been categorically, and quite publicly debunked, as if by constant repetition, they can turn their lies into truth.
If they had not victimized all of us so tragically, we may have more sympathy for their suffering, but they will inevitably receive the same mercy they meted out; call it Karma or The Golden Rule, you get what you give.
Thanks Hugh, sorry for the double dip…
You simply just can not make this stuff up.
GSD – haven’t seen yet, not sure when I’ll find the time … totally swamped with work and blog stuff when I’m not earning keep …
but I will make time for Sunday’s last episode of Rome … sigh … I will miss that show!
I’m so happy that both Elizabeth and Tony Snow have good health insurance.
OT:
Industrial ag’s serial poisonings and vicious practices threaten us all….
Water quality, wildlife, pets, bees, reproductive difficulties, developmental disorders, cognitive impairment, cancer survivors and those who perish from cancer….
We see an epidemic of cancers now “common” which were vanishingly rare a century ago.
Now, one-third of women and one-quarter of men can expect to have cancer in their lifetime.
Humans have pretty much the same genes we collectively had a century ago.
THE INCREASE IS NOT GENETIC.
The massive increase in (non-tobacco) cancers exactly parallels the introduction of synthetic pesticides and similar industrial toxins in the post-WW II period. Within a generation, US cancer incidence increased.
Best info on this for laypeople is Sandra Steingraber’s lyrical book Living Downstream.
Today’s victim: honeybees.
So who cares about honey when we have white sugar, right?
Er – uh – anyone who eats.
Those bees aren’t just filling up the little plastic squeezy bears on your breakfast table.
Without bees, we lose one-third of our food supply.
Gone.
Oops – turns out industrial ag’s GMO crops with BT (bacillicus thuringiensis toxin) help kill honeybees.
BT is a toxin found in soil microbes – not found in the honeybees’ natural diet.
The honeybees go to the flowers, not the soil.
Industrial ag’s genetically modified organisms (GMO’s) include plants that make BT toxin, ’cause some Frakenstein put soil bacteria genes in our food crops.
Turns out the Frankenfoods with BT help kill off honeybees.
Wonder what BT crops and other Frankenfoods on our dinner plates do to us?
Keep wondering – the FDA never bothered to answer the question.
The FDA scarcely looked.
Bon appetit – while you still can.
Without the bees, we’ll all be hungry.
On CSPAN3 Bush explaining why he is going to veto a bill funding US troops.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 74
Great post Okie Dokie. Keep ‘em coming. Inceasing awareness of these types of facts will create the groundswell that needed to help us get our country back on track, with liberty and justice for all.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
It must be daunting, Christy, but here we are, aren’t we? The power of the blogosphere plus “elections have consequences,” is gathering synergy. A practical solution, or perhaps multiple solutions to the WH’s stonewalling can be found on the pages of this and other blogs.
My 2 cents – First, Miers. They need to get her under oath and on the stand as soon as possible. I’m not sure what issue, possibly the tobacco litigation. Questions on alternative forms of communication other than .gov e-mails or government-logged telephonic devices need to be carefully asked.
And questions about these alternative avenues of communication will be productive. We already know many players – Domenici is one of the latest – are hip enough to go off-log as often as possible with their threats and intimidation.
The sooner we can get specifics on Rove’s use of these avenues of communication, clearly outside the realm of executive privilege, the sooner we can get to the bottom of this. If Rove knew enough way back in 2002 to meet Jack Abramoff only in car exchange meetups in the alleys of DC, he was way into this kind of MO for other ops and communications.
These guys have learned a lot more from LA street heroin dealers and Watergate pimps than from Abraham Lincoln about communicating their ideas.
Bargain Countertenor @ 164
Maybe you have to be in a uniform holding a gun to think it funny. I understand that the troops over there have to be concerned with staying alive and one of the horrors of war is how it dehumanizes the enemy. But what is “funny” about that joke is that the 2 guys are just hanging out chillin’ with OBL -blowing the opportunity to apprehend him; then- when OBL states his wish to be left alone the American gets murderous; intending to destroy not only OBL but entire nations. Funny, that it sounds like reality.
kemo @ 207
The double dip isn’t important. I’m just floored by the chutzpah of it all. Definitely, part of the Friday news dump and a hope no one will notice.
So Bush is going to veto a bill to fund the troops?
What is he, a traitor?
JEP @ 216
I liked his statement that they disregarded the advice of the generals on the ground, (gasp) you know, the ones he put in because the previous ones didn’t agree with his escalation.
We need a website that carries the Friday news dump over to the Monday morning wake-up cycle.
perris @
113
Agree. I get nervous when expecting “liberal” Democrats to get it that the Supreme Court has radically changed – and should be avoided. Sen. Cantwell (D_WA) didn’t step to the plate to fight Alito and join the fillibuster – why not? – She never answered the question in her last campaign. Today she voted with all Republicans and not Sen. Sanders over a tax bill to reduce property tax by dinging millionaires tax breaks. Whats with that? (WWT)
Wil @
27
Commiserations, Wil. At least it didn’t happen during the Libby trial. It is *so* addictive here. I am trying to figure out a way that I can get my computer to read FDL to me, then I could at least get some work done.
Badwater @
28
I would also note that many Federal prisons are now privately run. Things could be made very comfortable for certain prisoners.
Topanga-lib @
68
Impeachment does not involve the Supreme Court.
Ann in AZ @
205
It means as early as the middle of 2008 — in a way that does NOT interfere with the 2008 presidential and congressional elections — that we build a successful third party.
There will not be a Democratic sweep of all three branches; the lifetime appointments of the Justices ensures that this will not happen. But if we can build a third party while we have both Congress and the Executive Office, we can ensure that there will not be a Republican sweep again.
Unfortunately, between now and then, building a third party is dilutive and serves to weaken the Democratic Party. They have the critical mass to break the Republican stranglehold on two branches. Nader-izing this process too early will give us 2000 again. But if we launch in late 2008-early 2009 a third party, we can Perot the system. It was the force of a third party that kept Poppy Bush on his toes, along with a much stronger Democratic Party. We need to strive for that and a bit more, with a third party that’s more viable than it was in 1988.
Ed*ard Teller @ 213
If Rove etal were using non-WH domains such as gwb43, does anyone know if Fitz’s Plamegate subpoenas & investigations included these & if any/which records were supplied??
This whole politicization of the criminal justice system should not be surprising to anyone who is familiar with Texas Blood-politics.
They have partisan elections for judges, who learn how to use politics to keep their jobs.
Most judges in the United States, at the State District Court level on down, are simply lawyers who had political connections to be either appointed by their governor based on recommendations by the local political machine, or, as in Texas, it is overtly political by design.
The Texas cronies who run the United Corporate States of America see nothing wrong, nor have they ever seen anything wrong with politicizing these US Attorney jobs, nor judges like Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts — Political hacks all, who make up their mind on an issue as idealogues and politics, then look for the precedents to support their subjective “pre-decision.”
This is business as usual, as they bring the “Texas way” to the United States. You’re either with us, or agin’ us. If you’re agin’ us, we’ll get you.
American Justice is our dirty little secret that everyone is afraid to talk about. I’m sure everyone can tell us a fairy tale or two about ideal justice in their community, but anyone I know who has experience in quasi-political judge decision making, in, say, a civil matter, is very cynical on what American Justice has become. A tool for a Fascist machine.
I am doubtful anyone, such as Leahy or Pelosi, or others have the raw power to stop it.
Waccamaw @ 152
Thank you, my dear! Sent you an e-mail with updates. Have a safe trip – that’s a loooong drive!
Brisingamen @
87
Similar to the jurisdictions in which flight is seen as an admission of guilt? Hmm, could this work? Probably not on its own, but might serve to reinforce otherwise sketchy (due, for instance, to lack of testimony?) evidence of criminal activity. There is, of course, the Fifth Amendment, but I do believe that has to be invoked, does it not? And only works for the peson, not the group.
Among the morbid fascinations of seeing this junta in action is to observe their use of what might be called, in their lexicon, rhetorical pre-emption. Which is to say, they attack their opponents on rhetorical grounds the victims will try to occupy if or when the malfeasance comes to light.
Most obvious and incessant is the call to support the troops while hacking at the VA, refusing to equip the fungible grunt, etc., to ask why their opponents hate Amurka’s (liberal-democratic) freedoms, to rend their blood-stained cloaks and cry to the heavens, Who could have known death could come from a clear blue sky?
As repugnant as all this is, and is to hear, there is one compensation, at least — that thereby they tend to telegraph their punches.
It’s a minor point, but here they speak of “show trials”. But under the Bushite DoJ, this is precisely the ground they were preparing for themselves, and the pre-empted rhetorical position of their future victims.
I am old enough to know that we would eventually have seen another Nixon emerge. But I honestly didn’t think it would be this soon, AND a worse version than the original.
Thinking about Harriet Meirs and the statement that she could be a problem to the administration. Is her life in danger? A freak car accident maybe? Heart attack?
I’m so afraid that our window of opportunity to shut down this administration’s criminal activities has already closed. Bush has so packed the Federal and Supreme courts with his accolytes that I don’t know if we even have an independent Judiciary any longer.
Does anyone – even the MSM – still wonder why federal court appointments were one of Mr. Bush’s top priorities?
Consider. Any fight over enforcing subpoenas would find its way first to the federal district court for DC. Any decision would be appealed to the DC Circuit.
Consider, two recent appointments by Bush to the DC Circuit. Janice Brown and Brett Kavanaugh.
Janice Brown, famous for being a conservative activist judge on the Texas Supreme Court, whom even Alberto Gonzales thinks went overboard. Brett Kavanaugh, whose principal prior duties were first, as an aide to Ken Starr, second, as a WH gofer shuffling judicial appointments through the Senate confirmation process.
Who might they be inclined to favor in a fight over separation of powers and executive privilege? Mr. Rove thinks is always fighting tomorrow’s battles today. He thinks Sun Tzu was an amateur.
Buy the courts (get your judges in place) and then what Justice exists? None.
Well, there’s still Congress and the ‘Will of the Public’ we can hope will get in the way of Dubya and his wrecking crew.
BTW, I don’t like the Bush admin. people, but cancer is in no way justice.
Question from LA @ 224
Most excellent article.
Christy Hardin Smith — our own Tom Paine.
(In homage to Gilda Radner)
What’s all this talk about a “URINARY executive theory” and conservatives?
Hey, they got restrooms in the White House, don’t they? And if they don’t by now, all the executives in the executive branch can just go pee behind a bush in the Rose Garden?
Unless, of course, this conservative “URINARY executive theory” refers to President Bush and Vice President Cheney pissing on everyone and even pissing on the Constitution?
What? What?!?!?
Unitary executive theory?
Well, that’s an entirely different matter, isn’t it?
Neeevveerr Mind.
Christy, I wonder if you might be able to suggest a hypothetical situation in which Presidential executive privilege would plausibly be vital to the national interest.
I ask because it appears that current doctrine draws a wide circle around a small concern, namely, that there will be a paucity of candid advice available to the president because all qualified advisors feel threatened by later publication of their counsels.
If the privileged conversations pertained to, say, scientific secrets whose release would plausibly be detrimental to the safety of the country, wouldn’t ordinary classification and secret clearance law apply, without the necessity of raising the specter of an embarrassed Edward Teller clone lurking in the shadows?
On the other hand, suppose I go in and advise the president to bomb Paris, or to bring back debtor’s prison, or to take some other stupid, illegal course of action.
My conversation with Junior becomes the subject of a Congressional subpoena, which is enforced, and I later get skewered in the press for making such a revolting suggestion. Then, as a result of my traumatic humiliation and subsequent shunning by all humankind, I flatly refuse to make any further recommendations at all.
In the end the president is left waiting by the phone, stymied by my recalcitrance while the nation’s business languishes on the sidelines. (Slow fade to black.)
I don’t get it. To prevent this terrifying national threat, we are supposed to reinstate the monarchy?