
At the very end of the Plame hearing last Friday, Henry Waxman suggested to Victoria Toensing that she had not been entirely accurate in her testimony.
Waxman: Ms. Toensing, I just only can say that we are pleased to accommodate the request of the Minority to have you as a witness and some of the statements you’ve made without any doubt and with great authority I understand may not be accurate so we’re going to check the information and we’re going to hold the record open to put in other things that might contradict some of what you had to say. (At 4:02:13 on CSPAN)
All of a sudden Toensing's face collapsed with the realization that her blatherings might have overstepped a line.
Inaccuracy #1: Corn identified Plame as covert
David Corn has already done a bit of fact-checking Toensing. In addition to catching her conflating "stationed" "resided," and "served" overseas, Corn notes that Toensing has recycled an old yarn about his role in the story--claiming that he, not Novak, was the first to out Valerie.
Bottom line: I did not identify her as a "covert" officer or any other kind of CIA official. I merely speculated she was a NOC. That speculation was based on Novak's column. And given that Novak had already IDed her as a CIA "operative on weapons of mass destruction" (which happened to be a "covert" position within the agency), her cover--whether nonofficial or official--was blown to smithereens by the time I posted my article.
Toensing is engaged in a desperation-driven and misleading act of hairsplitting when she contends that Novak merely called her an "operative" and that I was the first to "print that she was covert." I never said Valerie Wilson was anything.
Inaccuracy #2: Wilson said "he was sent ... by the Vice President's Office"
But there are a couple more items where "the facts" Toensing "knows" are none such thing. For example, here is Toensing explaining why the White House was justified in outing Plame.
Toensing: I have no idea why they gave out that information. I do know that there was this allusion by Joe Wilson that he was sent on the trip by the Vice President’s Office so it made sense to me that if you’re sitting in the Vice President’s Office to say, we didn’t send him. We don’t know what’s this all about and in the inquiry as I understand it and you may have different facts the response was, his wife sent him, and guess who did that? The INR statement at the State Department. (3:53:50)
I guess, if Joe Wilson said he was sent by the Vice President's Office, that makes it okay. Only this statement is based on two falsehoods. First, Wilson didn't say "he was sent by the Vice President's Office" (though notice Toensing's creative use of "allusion," her). Rather, here's what Wilson said:
In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake - a form of lightly processed ore - by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.
At least when he gets to formulate the description himself, Wilson doesn't say, "he was sent on the trip by the Vice President's Office" (as if that would justify outing his wife). Rather, he said just what the CIA said--that he was sent by the CIA in hopes of answering questions the Vice President asked.
Inaccuracy #3: The INR memo said "his wife sent him"
But that's not all, from this passage. Toensing claims that the response to the Vice President's inquiries about who sent Wilson--the response of the INR memo--was that "his wife sent him." Toensing is arguing here that the INR memo said that Valerie sent Joe.
Probably, Toensing is thinking not of the INR memo, but of the erroneous mis-citation of Douglas Rohn's notes from the SSCI report, which says,
[the February 19 meeting was] apparently convened by [the former ambassador's; SSCI brackets] wife who had the idea to dispatch [him] to use his contacts to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium issue
But as we know, Rohn's notes--which the SSCI purports to be "quoting" here actually say,
apparently convened by Valerie Wilson, a CIA WMD managerial type and the wife of Amb. Joe Wilson, with the idea that the Agency and the larger USG could dispatch Joe to Niger to use his contacts there to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium sale question.
The difference is fairly significant. The SSCI attributes the decision ("who had the idea") to Valerie, whereas the actual notes don't name who had the idea to send Joe. And while the memo itself introduces further error (removing the "apparently" and alleging that Valerie convened the meeting), that still doesn't prove Valerie sent (or suggested) Joe. And of course, the INR memo itself--what Toensing cites as the source of her "knowledge"--is less definitive still. It describes the meeting this way:
In a February 19, 2002, meeting [note they remove the word "apparently"] convened by Valerie Wilson, a CIA WMD manager and the wife of Joe Wilson, he previewed his plans and rationale for going to Niger but said he would only go if the Department thought his trip made sense.
Sure sounds like a boondoggle to me, huh? Only, the actual INR memo says nothing about Valerie sending Joe--and it shows that Joe was not overwhelmingly enthusiastic about going.
Surprise, Toensing was right, we do have different facts. You know, the facts based on the actual document, rather than based on a misquotation of something that isn't actually the document Toensing cites it as. I don't know about you--but I'll take the facts that accord with the documents Toensing herself cites.
Inaccuracy #4: Robert Grenier, CIA briefer, told Libby about Valerie Plame
Toensing gets even sloppier when she tries to explain how negligent the CIA was in leaking Plame's name (apparently) to Scooter Libby. She claims that "CIA briefer" Robert Grenier told Libby about "Valerie Plame."
Toensing: I would agree with you that it was a bad situation that happened. But I say shame on the CIA. The briefer did not tell anybody at the White House that she was...
Waxman: How do you know that?
[Waxman and Toensing are talking over each other here]
Toensing: [raises finger to lips] shhhh.
Waxman: How do you know that?
Toensing: He testified to that at the Scooter Libby trial.
Waxman: The briefer? Which briefer?
Toensing: Uh, Grenier. Robert Grenier.
Let me interrupt for a moment. You see, if a briefer had shared this with Libby, it might imply that said briefer had gone, done formal research, and still told Libby about Plame with no warning.
Only, Robert Grenier was not a briefer. Craig Schmall was Libby's briefer, not Robert Grenier. Robert Grenier was the Iraq Mission Manager. He had called CPD for information, gotten it--though not from the Deputy Chief of the Joint Task Force on Iraq whom he called about it--and passed it on as quickly as possible. And not in a formal briefing situation, but in a response to Libby after having been pulled out of a meeting with DCI Tenet. So to begin with, Toensing, who "knows" so many things, isn't even clear who the players are.
Toensing goes on from here, stating clearly that Grenier had "talked about Valerie Plame."
Waxman: And he was the briefer from the CIA?
Toensing: …from the CIA. Yes, he was the one.
Waxman: Go ahead
Toensing: He said, “I talked about Valerie Plame. I talked about the wife with Scooter Libby and the Vice President but I didn’t tell him” … and this was on cross-examination. He admitted that he had not said that her status was either classified or covert. (3:58:14 on CSPAN)
Huh. CIA briefer Robert Grenier talked about Valerie Plame, huh? That's funny, because Grenier made it pretty clear in his testimony that he didn't know the name, Valerie Plame. He says it once:
Did the Ambassador's wife's name come up [with the person who told him about her purported role]?
No, I'm certain that person did not tell.
And a second time:
I didn't tell him Valerie Wilson's name, because I didn't know that.
And a third time:
J You didn't mention the name of Mr. Wilson's wife. You didn't mention anything to Mr. Libby whether Mr. Wilson's wife was covert.
G No
Now, about one thing, Toensing is correct. Grenier did not pass on the information that Plame was covert. If it's the fault of the CIA, though, it's not because Grenier withheld information he knew. You see, the person who told Grenier about the origin of the trip didn't tell him that Plame was covert.
J THe person you talked to gave no indication that Wilson's wife was covert. Correct?
G Yes.
To a point, Toensing is correct. Shame on Grenier for not ascertaining Valerie's exact role before he passed it on. But to suggest that Libby's briefer, knowing details about Plame, including her name, was so sloppy about informing Libby is simply not accurate. It may fit Toensing's story line, but that's a story line she invents solely by inventing the facts "she knows."
Lucky for her Waxman has left the record open so she can replace "her" facts with the ones backed up by the evidence.
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Marcy!
This just came in from the heartland:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....-know.html
“Ohio and Western Pennsylvania now know how I feel.”
More like this… please.
MArcy!
So sorry this is OT, but you have got to see this:
Does RNC owned server connect missing e-mails to Ohio vote theft?
Give Toensing credit for nerve. If I had been her I would have been quiet as a mouse and only would have answered questions “yes” and “no”. She’s fighting above her weight-class now. I hope that they succed in putting th fear of God into her.
EPU’d. (I want to get this meme out. The going rate described described below tends to hold up across the board. This just happens to be a really good anecdotal exmple.)
From WaPo:
This is one of the things I find so infuriating about the Republican Party. It’s not just that they sell out the American people — bad as that is — but that they do it so fucking *cheaply*.
Big Tobacco was responsible for about $100 million in donations to Republicans. And for that $100 Million, they get back more than $100 *Billion* in reduced penalties.
What does that tell us about the Republicans? That to them, a dollar of the American people’s money is worth 1/10 of a cent in the Republicans campaign coffers. Works out to a profits cut of 00.1%
That’s right. For big business, a donation to the Republican party offers a 100,000% return on investment.
You’d think the ‘MBA President’ could at least get his own party a better piece of the cut. After all, most agents get 15%.
No wonder Wall Street brokers like the Republicans so much. They’re the cheapest whores in the world.
1/10th of a cent on the dollar.
Disgusting.
In addition:
Reduced sentence in works for Abramoff
Corn’s observations are in line with my recollection of his initial post, where I learned that Novak had outed one of our spys.
John Emerson @ 8
watching her, i couldn’t believe she agreed to participate - i would be so ashamed i’d want to hide under the table.
When is Waxman going to issue charges (or ask the DOJ) for lying to congress and obstruction of justice? And can he charge her for being a scum sucking twit just on general principle?
Heh heh, Emptywheel rips out Toenails entrails for Sam’s dog to read.
JGabriel @ 9
I have only one quibble with your point.
You are distinguishing Big Business as being separate from the Republican Party’s campaign.
They aren’t. There is no separation between the people who benefit most from this return on investment, and the Republican Party.
They aren’t “the base”; they are the Republican Party.
They got all 100,000%.
Toensing was best when she could act indignant about OJ Simpson. She should stick with that.
Marcy,
Corn’s article states, quoting Toensing:
I do know that there was this allusion by Joe Wilson that he was sent on the trip by the Vice President’s Office..
Did Toensing possibly mean illusion?
Is there any procedure for a non-client to file a complaint against a member of the bar? I doubt any of us have standing, but what about Congress, after Toensing’s testimony?
Marcy — so, do we set up a board to see how long it takes for Miss Vicky to poach your post and use it to correct her testimony?
By the way, my stop watch started at 9:00 am PDT.
;-)
Marcy,
Left you a link and the text of the letter from Novak to Newsweek a couple threads back . . . did you see it?
Sorry, OT. MSNBC waiting for Edwards remarks. Matthews up. He likes Mrs. Edwards a lot, and it’s refreshing to hear encouragement & compassion, esp from him.
Toensing had gotten so used to dealing with the Republic lapdogs from the past 2 or 3 Congresses that she obviously felt immune to the repercussions of her words. They’ve let her spout her nonsense for years without anyone calling her on it and she just forgot that there’s a new sheriff in town…
For Sunny @ 7:
Wow! That sure looks like a big stinking smoking gun, doesn’t it?
selise @ 11
Republican shills can’t feel shame — they have their sense of shame surgically removed.
OT - Abu G. isn’t quitting - he’s going on the road!… because he loves the little children.
sunny @
7
Sunny, this is not OT. Connects gwb43.com domain name to the Ohio election results via Brent Wilkes. Never OT. Smelling salts please. Seriously folks, check it out if you haven’t yet.
Got to run, but here’s the Novak letter again.
OT:
Circuit Court Reverses Phone Jamming Conviction
By Paul Kiel - March 22, 2007, 11:58 AM
www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002840.php
Looks like James Toobin is going to walk.
What a morning, what a morning! The administration is taking a beating, folks. FDL hits it with a Christy to the Newt, a Christy to the DOJand a stunning Marcy to Toensing! The administration is staggers back from this lethal combination punch. What a fight!
Also OT, but I hadn’t seen it before and thought it was pretty cool:
C-SPAN, in response to “explosive growth of video file sharers, bloggers, and online ‘citizen journalists’,” has introduced a liberalized copyright policy to allow non-commercial copying, sharing, and posting of C-SPAN video on the Internet, with attribution.
Marcy, just wanted to note one other aspect of the INR memo with respect to Toensing’s testimony.
Toensing repeatedly testifies that the OVP and other administration officials involved had no way of knowing that Valerie Wilson’s status was classified. But didn’t the INR memo itself mark her status as secret?
Edwards coming up.
mike’s not working.
Does this mean she can be tried for lying to Congress?
OldCoastie @ 32
it must so suck to have one’s life under such a microscope.
I know nothing about Rep. Gene Taylor of Miss, but man, this is how Democrats need to talk to these bullies (i.e. republickins). He was quite polite about it considering his home was destroyed by the hurricane, and I don’t know what the hub bub was about…
Link
fractured rib, suspicious something on the right.
if noses really did grow longer when one lies, then, there would be a lot of republicans who could pole vault on their faces.
shit, cancer in the bone.
Holy Shit!!! Needs to be sent to Leahy and Waxman
Edwards says, “in the bone, not the tissue, a good thing”
OldCoastie @ 25
HA! Abu and Michael Jackson should go on tour together! First stop, Dubai.
“cancer is treatable, not curable - most patients live many years”
Edwards - “the cancer is no longer curable, but completely treatable”
I said it on the last thread, and I will say it again.
Edwards is a Man.
Steve @ 28
Not necessarily. It’s been sent back for retrial.
Isn’t it Toensing’s basic argument that the CIA should have protected Plame/Wilson’s status as a covert agent by making sure that everybody knew she was a covert agent?
Sure - I see the logic in that.
shooogarp @ 45
I agree.
twolf1 @ 44
Very true..my aunt lived with breast Ca for >25 years. It finally killed her at age 91.
dakine01 @
22
I dunno. I kinda think they’ve told so many lies that they end up believing them. If, in their point of view, facts are maleable, why not stand behind them. I bet its a huge shock with they’re faced with the notion that their silly putty facts don’t hold up under scrutiny. They REALLY don’t hold up under oath.
Elizabeth says, “low volume cancer, very lucky she cracked the rib because otherwise it might have not been noticed and they caught it early”
John - campaign goes on.
edwards - “the campaign goes on, the campaign goes on strongly”
Edwards: THE CAMPAIGN GOES ON!
Edwards: The campaign goes on
Such courageous people
emptywheel - Yesterday I asked you about a “sibel post” thinking I had read one by you elsewhere. Hours later I realized I was thinking of a post written by someone else.
Sorry about that, my bad.
Elizabeth—
“I’m actually very lucky that I cracked this rib.”
Which led to tests which found the cancer.
Edwards isn’t out, not at all…
MSNBC got suckered by someone…
For the Edwards family , much love…For bad news, it seems to be pretty good but their attitude is also remarkable.
Go Edwards!
they are going to make it… Elizabeth just needs to take really good care of herself.
They set a wonderful example. Pure honesty and grace.
Lots of good thoughts and wishes coming from this liberal to them.
(She looks so very pretty.)
So glad that all those “friends” were wrong.
Great news about Edwards, and once again I’m impressed by him being forthright about the situtaion.
JEP @ 58
i think they were suckered by politico.com
Seeing the John & Elizabeth, esp in contrast to the evil, dark gang currently in charge. What a contrast.
They have me in tears.
JEP @ 58
The Newt?
JEP @ 57
Well, from what she said, it sounds like yesterday they were worried it might be worse, so it might not have been deliberate.
What a novel concept! Helping other people!
The guy doesn’t have a chance…
/snark
Heh. Maybe he’ll end up with a longer sentence.
Go Elizabeth!
MSNBC says Edwards is suspending campaign:
Is it possible that MSNBC has this wrong?
ya know, I like John but Elizabeth is the one who really gives him legitimacy…
I think we’re saying the same thing…
MSNBC’s story is still at their website as I type. One would think they would have deleted it by now.
jayt @ 46
Toensing’s and Tom Davis’. He’s actually having some town halls next week; I hope I can go and ask him about that, and whether he’s discussed it with any of the intelligence professionals who live in his district.
shooogarp @ 45
and Elizabeth is a Woman!
Whew.
I’m on delay, but Elizabeth just said that she is very lucky. A cracked rib on her left side led to chest xrays that identified a suspicious mass on the right. That turned out to be malignant and incurable. But treatable. She’s going to follow a medical regimen and stick to her current schedule.
Apparently, as often is the case with these things, there was a great deal of uncertainty yesterday. My guess is that the msm got wind of some news when they were more worried. Or, of course, they had both stories from multiple sources and chose to run the more dramatic story.
The Oath- The Oath- only liars resist The Oath!
OMG, watch the fry-brained loonies accuse John of beating Elizabeth.
OT - story on Washington Times (yeah, I know. Sorry. Too good, though).
Iraqi colonel flees military training in Alabama
OK, I’m on board the Edwards campaign unless something proves this a bad idea or unless Gore opts in.
OldCoastie @ 72
Like any great man, there is an even greater woman behind them. I only half the man w/o my wife.
Redshift @
1
Fitzy Man may be busy in the near future. If Leahy submits subpoenas to Rove, Miers, etc, and the DC AG Taylor, a super-GOP-hack appointed sans Senate approval, refuses to act, the Senate has the right to appoint anyone they see fit to serve. I suggest Fitz be da man.
what amazingly genuine people!
Hope things work out for Elizabeth. I admire her. She’s dealing with metastasized cancer- did they mention anything about her liver?
Mack @ 84
Wow
Edwards - “the cancer is no longer curable, but completely treatable”
Please people, if you or someone you know is fighting cancer, look into complimentary treatments like homeopathy,ayurveda and yoga. They are proven to help in many ways, from reducing the side effects of chemo to actually shrinking tumors to preventing cancer in those who are predisposed to getting it.
This is worse than the plague and Europe is way ahead of us in successfully treating cancer of all types with complimentary treatments.
Sorry to be so way off topic, this is not a health forum; but this subject hits close to home.
Amen.
Elizabeth:
“The truth is what we want.”
Ya know if MSNBC didn’t spend so much time gawking at celebrities and dead white girls, they might have known enough to wait for the actual news, rather than making up their own…
rwcole @ 84
Done lots of tests and not found it elsewhere so far.
Totally bizarre–even though the news is not as bad as it might be, it’s still not good news, but it’s going to help Edwards politically–this opportunity to demonstrate real family values and an authentic voice. They both come across as very real people, very much married and very much in love. The contrast to Newt or Giuliani couldn’t be starker.
Oh, and I’m not backing any of the candidates, for a number of reasons.
OldCoastie @ 72
Absolutely. My wife and I have been having this same discussion. It’s so nice to hear her talk. It’s so….oh what’s the word….NORMAL!
I bet if she were the one running, I’d be lining up right quick (hear she’s more liberal than her husband). As is now, still undecided between Edwards and Obama. Lots ‘o time left!
Peterr @
20
Yes, thank you. Inspired me to go back and whip Novak some more, it did. Coming soon, to a blog near you.
Rev
I’m not a doctor- but that seems like good news.
Petrocelli @ 87
Are we setting up a doobie donation for Elizabeth?
Wow - I just watched a clip of a network newsperson, Harry Smith, who wasn’t reading a script and who wasn’t afraid to call BS on Tony Snow and who could actually IMPROVISE and THINK instead of just reading Karl Rove talking points from his teleprompter:
Raw Story link
If you agree, it’s VERY easy to send them feedback:
CBS link
Maybe we can finally get rid of that sappy Katie Couric.
i heard they that didn’t find much elsewhere - but didn’t say none.
rwcole @ 94
Let us hope so.
They seem quite able to handle what’s going on and will be an amazing example to set for the country.
JGabriel @
31
No.
The paragraph in which her name appears is marked secret. Though that’s not tied specifically to her name. In fact, I think that Rohn didn’t know she was covert, and therefore the S in that paragraph pertains to the meeting more generally. Note, too, that that’s not even the highest level paragraph in the letter, which it probably would have been had they known she was covert.
Which basically means they should lose their security clearance for leaking that info (cf, Armitage). But that it’s not proof they knew she was classified.
Biodun @ 74
They suck at updates, at one point yesterday the site hadn’t been updated for an hour and a half
That applies to everyone who reads Politico and believes what they say…
Cancer is the TERRORIST… Why can’t we have an all out war on the real terrorists!
^@!k(@$k($k!!!!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 103
It sure inspires me with terror.
I think putting Toensing up there was a huge tactical error for the Republicans. The correct move would have been to try to block Waxman from reading Hayden’s letter and demanding that Hayden come to testify in person. That would have stalled the hearing for a while. Instead, they let Waxman read into the record that the head of the CIA said that Plame was covert when Novak betrayed her. Then they put up an easily-refutable hack to try to tell people that the head of the CIA was wrong. Then Novak says that the CIA has been refusing to talk to Republicans about Plame’s status for years, making it look like the CIA doesn’t trust the Republicans. (I’m with them on this one. Look what happened the last time they gave the Republicans classified information about Valerie Plame.)
Why does the timing of all of this matter? Because Scooter Libby hasn’t been sentenced yet, and now all of the things he was trying to use as greymail are getting into the public record. And putting Toensing up there when they did has given Waxman all the time he needs to get even more confirmation about Plame’s status into the public record. Fitz is going to be able to stand up at Libby’s sentencing a say, “Lewis Libby was convicted of obscuring his role in the betrayal of a covert CIA operative in wartime. He deserves the maximum penalty under the law.”
On the Senate supoena hearing from TPMuckraker:
video
What they are offering is nothing, nothing, nothing
it’s on the Toesucker family crest
Often Wrong Never in Doubt
wow! Matthews waxing poetic about the Edwards!
The most potent outcome of the scoots case would be to force Ol Clusterfuck to pardon him- further weakening a shaky last two years.. Let’s hope it happens.
Petrocelli @ 87
I’m not sure Europe has the AMA to contend with. This movie “Hoxsey” covers this topic very nicely, and shows what can happen if you try to stand in the way of the money train, or in other words the medical industry.
google video
OldCoastie @ 107
Beware, he also waxes poetic about the chimperor’s “package.”
best wishes to the Edwards.
how long will it take for some heartless wingnut to say this was a staged ploy to get attention, garner sympathy, etc.? seriously, I wouldn’t put it past their ilk.
Well, Edwards already led the way in smacking down Fox. Maybe now he’s going to smackdown politico.