This takes some serious stones:
Federal prosecutors took the first steps toward reducing the prison sentence of former Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, currently scheduled for release in 2011 for a Florida fraud conviction.
Documents filed in federal court say Abramoff has provided “substantial assistance'' in a separate Washington corruption scandal investigation and continues to work with investigators from his prison cell in Cumberland, Md.
Especially in light of this (which I'm frankly surprised hasn't gotten more coverage today):
The leader of the Justice Department team that prosecuted a landmark lawsuit against tobacco companies said yesterday that Bush administration political appointees repeatedly ordered her to take steps that weakened the government's racketeering case.
Sharon Y. Eubanks said Bush loyalists in Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales's office began micromanaging the team's strategy in the final weeks of the 2005 trial, to the detriment of the government's claim that the industry had conspired to lie to U.S. smokers.
She said a supervisor demanded that she and her trial team drop recommendations that tobacco executives be removed from their corporate positions as a possible penalty. He and two others instructed her to tell key witnesses to change their testimony. And they ordered Eubanks to read verbatim a closing argument they had rewritten for her, she said.
"The political people were pushing the buttons and ordering us to say what we said," Eubanks said. "And because of that, we failed to zealously represent the interests of the American public."
Eubanks, who served for 22 years as a lawyer at Justice, said three political appointees were responsible for the last-minute shifts in the government's tobacco case in June 2005: then-Associate Attorney General Robert D. McCallum, then-Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and Keisler's deputy at the time, Dan Meron.
McCallum…McCalum…where have we heard that name before? Ah yes, he was the one that BushCo. was trying to jam into a supervisory position over Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation. James Comey short-circuited the effort by transferring his powers to David Margolis before he left the Justice Department. Thank. Jeebus.
I remember my eyeballs just about rolled back in my head when I saw Alice Fisher had received a recess appointment to head the criminal division at the Justice Department (during Hurricane Katrina no less, after serious Senatorial objection…when nobody was looking) and was giving the presser about the Abramoff case…despite her reported connections to Tom DeLay. It touched off a mini blog firestorm and with good reason. Fisher should have recused herself from the Abramoff investigation a long time ago, but as we are learning, that is not how things work in Bushville.
As Christy asked this morning, if Casino Jack has been so very damn helpful, where are all the indictments? Enquiring minds want to know.
They are burying the bodies fast.
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I hope those senate and house investigations crank up quick, there may be nothing left of the Republic otherwise.
Sounds to me like the DoJ is cooperating with Abramoff, not the other way around.
mediocre FITZ!
Wow Jane.
Ok, I’m spotlighting.
No way, they would do this unless Jack is holding back.
My vote for quote of the day:
You can read the whole post on the prior thread.
Fitz!
Jane!!
Want to see a revolution? Let Abroamoff early for good behavior.
I’ve been trying to find out if Alice has made ANY progress on the mounds of reams of material brought out of the offices of Alaska’s Republican legislators’ offices about eight months ago – and am getting nowhere. I remember Jane introducing us to Ms. Fisher when she was promoted. I commented yesterday that she probably fits the bill of what Karl Gonzales wants better than any other DOJ apparatchik.
No doubt Conyers has staffers keeping track of this stuff and is preparing a long list of questions for the White House staffers. Those people will be providing answers to those questions for the next few years.
That’s my question, too. All that cooperation and hardly anything to show for it. We’re being screwed people.
As an archaeologist, i would like to point out that I am highly skilled with a shovel.
Why oh why am I not surprised?
Anything to block the inevitable sunshine.
Do they really think this shit is just going to go away?There is way too much out there already for that to happen.
I’d like to see Abroamoff working in a sweatshop in the Marinanas for ten to twenty years
I think I recall reading an article about how the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department was gutted under Bush – lot’s of career professionals with years of experience where either shoved out or made so uncomfortable that they quit.
Does anyone else remember reading about this?
At this point, I think the Democrats should be picking things that will lead to indictments, rather than run of the mill nastiness. Things like the FISA warrents, torture, etc. should be taking precedence over slipshod prosecutions.
Abramoff is emblematic of what’s wrong with the dirty Bush administration. Whither goes Ralph Reed?
Paraquay is going to be terribly crowded in a very short time!
Ed*ard Teller @ 9
She’s probably made lots of progress shredding all the evidence and covering the tracks of the crooks in office.
I guess Gonzo just wants to spend the rest of his time sitting in front of the judiciary committees of Congress.
Language is a problem in describing the issue with the USAs: two talking heads, one of whom will say it’s “political” (as in political appointee) meaning it’s OK while the other will say it’s “political” (as in political interference in judicial procedures) meaning it’s bad.
Let the apologists keep their good “political”. We need another word or phrase to describe the badness of this. A widespread pattern of obstruction of justice. To me, that sounds good but is it perhaps too strong –at this point in time–for someone like Tweety? Any suggestions?
Looks exactly like you have a coup de e’tat on your hands courtesy of your local fascist Republican supporters and their weak willied Democratic enablers. A real cancer in the body politic. no?
could it be the WH and various theives and scoundrels see the writeing on the wall,and are in high ass-cover mode….the ship of state here i.e. this administration may have figured out its taken one below the waterline…and its a matter of time…
What is wrong with these people? Republicans used to be the party of stodgy old skinflints who didn’t like tomfoolery and shenanigans. Now they’re like the tertiary-syphillis crazy-time party. The madness!
There’s so much stuff, the Democrats need a plan. Is that even possible for them? At times, organizing them seems like hearding cats. I’d hate to think that the Republicans slip out of all of this.
I have to take another 35 minute walk or I’m not allowed to watch basketball tonight.
(don’t ask)
Back soon…
I always thought that providing “substantial assistance” meant sitting up in the witness box and saying “that’s the guy I worked with (or for).” Until Jack raises his right hand and swears to tell the truth, I’m not buying claims of assistance.
Supposedly, all the evidence seized in the raids remains in Alaska, in storage units controlled by the FBI in Juneau and Anchorage. They’ve only taken copies back to the 36-person “corruption” unit Fisher so aptly supervises. Supposedly.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 16
Reed seems to have modeled himself after Bush: Christian in name only.
This Ben Sargent cartoon is Great!
My courtroom experience is limited, but I have a feeling that reading a closing argument to a jury is not a very effective strategy.
Seems to me that the Administration ought to be happy with the current state of affairs. Given everything we know about their stifling of other investigations, is it possible to imagine any outcome other than a big stall related to the prosecutions that Carol Lam was pursuing.
Our representatives have been, are, and will prepare for hearings. What we citizens need to do, it seems to me, is figure out how to increase the political cost to the Republicans of refusing to answer Congressional subpoenas.
neurophius @ 30
And reading someone else’s closing argument to them is even less effective.
Especially if that someone else wants you to lose.
Those Bushies just won’t stop will they? Bad to the bone. And I hope, hope, hope we don’t let them get away with it. Just as I form the word “unbelievable” there’s something else that is even more so. What will tomorrow bring?
cleter @
23
Dang! I’m using that one with my old man.
lets see, Abramoff and pals rip off Native Americans.
bushco interferes with a case in favor of Big Tobacco that made their money on the backs of slaves and many, many, many more.
Our history will continue to haunt us until the American people face facts and boot these ghouls and criminals away from the White House and Capitol Hill forever.
OK – I hit my wall!
Rather than bang my head against it, I’m going to follow Kobie’s advice (he’s telepathic) and take a walk. Later, gang. Good for Jane – four kickass posts in a row!
let the jack off jokes begin.
cleter @ 12
But can you whack someone in the head with one as well? We need that talent also.
uncle toby @ 20
Isn’t the language obstruction of justice?
Jane Hamsher @ 25
Jane the Lakers play Memphis at 8EDT. If you miss the beginning you won’t miss much. How many will Koby score tonght? 50? 65? Any thoughts of entertaining the idea of switching allegiances? How does this sound, FireDogCelts? No? I don’t blame you. They’re in a race to the bottom. Remember the good old days with Magic and Bird? I do. Well, enough of living in the past. Later.
Mauimom @ 39
Sure. Is this off the record? I’m not under oath, am I?
cleter @ 42
Oh, I’m sorry, did you say something?
Ed*ard Teller @ 37
I noticed that too. That’s why I cracked this open. Jane!
Rayne, are you wearing a wire?
I wonder if Christy or Marcy could answer this… Is there some federal appointee at DOJ who’s enabling Abramoff? Is there any way to find out who’s supervising these interrogations? Who’s dealing with pleas?
Who is this Republican tool who is squirming like a stuck toad to avoid Tweety’s question about Bush’s authority to go to war?
Imagine if Eubanks would have used her own closing argument, the one she wanted to use. Bet she now wishes she had. I wish she had.
Matthews ripping Idiot Canter a new asshole for not being specific about whether Bush needed congressional authorization to go to war with Iraq.
Tweety mad!
Sharon Eubanks was on Day to Day this morning and didn’t sound very pleased with her superiors
Click
OldCoastie @ 49
He ripped him a new one the last time he was on also, for saying it’s the job of the military to make policy! Huh? LOL
You think the morons in the DOJ would have the good sense to delay the ABRAMOFF GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD until after the US Attorney obstruction of Justice scandal died down
… or is it a bright shiny object that’s worth trying… an exercise of prosecutorial discration and power.
Pay no attention to these ramblings, I need a nap.
john in sacramento @ 51
I heard that interview and thought: “this is on NPR?” Something’s happening.
Waxman’s letter to Gonzales over the Eubanks/Tobacca issue, sent today, March 22nd.
Waxman to Gonzales letter
What Henry wants:
To assist the Committee’s inquiry into whether there was political interference in the
tobacco litigation, please provide the Committee with the following documents for the time
frame from January 20,2001, to the present:
(1) All communications between the White House and the Department of Justice related
to the Department’s suit against the tobacco industry, U.S. v. Philip Morris;
(2) All notes, in any form, kept by political appointees at the Department related to White
House involvement in the tobacco litigation;
(3) An accounting of all contacts between the White House and the Department of Justice
related to the tobacco litigation; and
(a) The full report completed by the Office of Professional Responsibility related to its
investigation into possible political interference in the tobacco litigation.
Please provide the documents requested by the Committee by Apnl7,2007 .
Neil @
41
I think Jane must be talking NCAA not NBA–so if it is LA it is UCLA.
But as to the serious-stones item, how is it possible that this pattern of maniputlation and firing of prosecutors in the middle of investigations is not obstruction of justice. there is some real potential criminal activity going on here if folks are pulling the plug on investigations of contributors and the politically connected. I mean look at the IMHOFE contribution list: hundreds of thousands from oil and gas lobby.
cleter @ 23
You all are too funny today, I swear.
I grab my stomach which hurts from laughing, and in doing so I strain my hurt rotator cuff, which makes me laugh because of the falling-apartness of it all, and it just goes on and on!
angie @ 36
You can say that again.
Jane thanks for keeping your nose directed towards the Bushshit! Shovels will not be enough we need a tractor with a front end loader. More like a fleet of tractors to haul away the Bushshit!
The Democrats need to be making the meta point that the Bushies tried their best to turn the Department of Justice (Justice!)into a sleazy political machine, with Karl Rove calling the shots. The Tobacco case and the suggestion of letting Abramoff off easy reinforce the impression that the USA firings created. The goopers can whine all they want about “Clinton did it, TOOOOOOOOOOO!” but I doubt that they can come up with anything approaching the evidence we are facing about the Bush administration.
Send more LOVE to Henry Waxman!!!
It wouldn’t surprise me if it is the testimony of disgruntled underlings that finally brings this presidency down.
Boy, turn on the lights and the cockroaches start to scatter.
And Jane, I hope you’re talking NCAA & UCLA hoops – I fear the Lakers would sap your spirit. Even if Kobe’s namesake pops for 50 again….
Sally @ 48
Oh, I think she could still get some use for it.
For instance, if I were a reporter or an editor, I’d just LOVE to put her original side by side with the one she was given.
Another possible audience for it would be Senator Leahy and Rep Conyers. They, too, would enjoy putting both of these drafts side by side, along with any emails or notes she might have of the back and forth with the higher ups at the DOJ.
Some the Eubank’s e-mails:
Link
OT, but maybe not…..
“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers…. The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth.”
Aldous Huxley Brave New World foreword to 1946 edition
Cozumel @ 52
Sorry I missed Matthews ripping. He has been hammering hard ever since he realized that he had been lied to along with the mass of Americans who relied on the mainstream media before the “illegal” invasion of Iraq. Matthews should have been on the blogs and listening to the Diane Rehms show and BBc before the invasion. Diane had expert after expert on before the invasion telling the public the intellingence was a bunch of hogwash.
Here’s another one….
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
David Rockefeller Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
Hi, AZ Matt -
Glad to cross threads w/you, my cartoon-lovin’ buddy. Question:
Do you by any chance have a linky to Sack (other than this one: http://www.startribune.com/sack)? I run across him occasionally on compilation sites but the startrib button for printing on a Mac doesn’t work for me. Would enjoy more frequent access w/print capability.
Thank you to punaise and anyone else who reposted the link to the virtual candle for Elizabeth Edwards during the day. I haven’t read all the threads yet, and don’t know if I’ll get a chance tonight, because it looks like we’ve got a fresh round of IEP hell to deal with. But I did take a few minutes to post a graphic link to the candle here.
Sally @ 48
Tool. Stenographer. Thanks so much.
Was that Eric Cantor (R-VA) that Tweety tore into? If so, lovely!
here’s some news:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..mp;emc=rss
Waccamaw @ 68
Sorry I don’t.
Thanks, jackie, for this powerful quote. If you had a linky, that would be super.
jackie @ 67
jackie @ 67 – link please
angie @ 71
Well, from his actions as budget director, Stockman certainly has a lot of expertise in using numbers deceptively…
Yep, that was him. I wonder how people that stoopid get elected!?
Digby connects more dots
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..nthal.html
Cozumel @ 76
he sure knows how to just keep smiling while the new asshole is being created.
and jane-posted earlier but don’t know if you saw it–
sampson-
ex-chief of staff for gonzales already has a new home
doj, legislative section in environmental division
heard it on the radio 3-16, last friday.
Frankly, I’m surprised, too, that the tobacoo settlement didn’t get more attention today.
But this is BIG.
Cozumel @ 76
dim bulb in the running: Lynn Westmoreland from GA, the guy who was leering at Valerie Wilson the other day (so I’ve heard). He’s the one who wants the ten commandments posted everywhere but couldn’t recite but a few of them when interviewed by Colbert.
Waccamaw @ 68
Try Cagle Cartoons
All I have to do is look at her face to see she deceitful. Why is it so hard for others?
AZ Matt -
Thanks. Hope we see each other on some less serious thread & get a chance to compare favorites.
Ed*ard Teller @ 9
wild shot in the dark: read somewhere on line about a ’slip of the finger’ on a ‘delete’ button that wiped out 38 million $ worth of info in Alaska? any connection?
as I say, wild speculation.
uncle toby @ 20
Let the apologists keep their good “political”. We need another word or phrase to describe the badness of this. A widespread pattern of obstruction of justice. To me, that sounds good but is it perhaps too strong –at this point in time–for someone like Tweety? Any suggestions?
how about unethical?
What might happen to Jack (hopefully not):
Premature Emancipation
cleter @
45
Umm, uh…yeah, two of ‘em…but they don’t count.
You were saying?
So now we don’t have to wonder about the Federal Prosecuters who didn’t lose their jobs and went along with Carl Roves demands.
tobacco award reduction, jack abramoff conviction reduction.
I just wonder if shrubs cabal is going for all they can to overwhelm those investigating them.
I’m trying to find the links . I got these a while ago, but now they seem to be gone…..
Eureka Springs, AR says
March 22nd, 2007 at 3:08 pm
jackie @ 67 – link please
ESaund @
15
From the website of the House Judiciary
Committee:
It looks to me as if this hearing might be somewhat separate from the hearings on the fired US Attorneys, though it goes to the same point about corrupt politicization. I heard a bit of the testimony at this hearing, from Wayne Henderson, on the radio. I also read at least one article on the subject a while back, from WPost, “Civil Rights Focus Shift Roils Staff At Justice”, in 2005.
john in sacramento -
Good on! Printing as we speak. Thanks for enabling my addiction ;-)
OT: who the fuck is Ruben Navarrette?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/…..index.html
This is just bullshit. This idiot is making the case that Dems hate Gonzalez because he’s Hispanic. Sweet buttery Jesus…
Mabel’s Wig Shack @
85
It was for the state oil fund that pays out millions each year to AK residents. The original and back-up drives both got hosed and the tape back-ups were unreadable. They had to pretty much recreate all their data from jump street. They had all the original hard copy paper and hired temps (and a lot of OT) to re-scan all the info.
from jane above
sharon eubanks was on npr today, said her piece…..think it was on ‘day to day’ but not sure…….
I sincerely hope that the majorities in both houses are a tad bit OCD. There are so many things they need to organize and clean. The criminals have had so many years without oversight, and marry that with their overwhelming arrogance and hypocrisy and you have an expansive closet full of deceit, destruction and pure, unadulteraed crime. All the committees in both houses needs to get their acts together. The graft and corruption has permeated every crevice of our government and society. I want my beloved country back!!!!
Tom @ 93
I read that and I thought, Wow, a new Hispanic shill? Yeah. I think the Hispanic community thinks Gonzo is to them what Condi is to African-Americans.
Oh, and Elaine Chao, too.
Pretty puppets.
I consider it a testament to my abiding faith in humanity that I continue to register surprise at what slimeballs these people are.
My grammar sucked on this post because I AM PISSED OFF!!! Sorry
Tom @ 93
I don’t know anything about the guy, but he does make an interesting admission…
“Gonzales’ persecutors are blind with rage, or maybe just blind. Surely they see that the push to dump the U.S. attorneys came from White House political adviser Karl Rove.“
This leads me to believe he is coming from a Hispanic rather than a Republican perspective.
Rayne @ 97
Navarette is an old shill – a real uncle Tomas. Perfect opportunity (and opportunist) for the Wurlizter.
I’m trying to rememeber where I used to read him (LA Times), but it’s like trying to remember which square of sidewalk had the dogshit I avoided stepping in.
OT: It’s been interesting to watch the excellent Josh Marshall inch closer to DFHippiedom. He does’t use teh sweats, but (emphasis added):
Caught himself there at the end with that update. But I like that he does what he does, just as I like that we do what we do. Not the same thing.
His site is journalism, 2.0, occasionally committing activism (example: Social Security). We’re activism, 2.0, and occasionally we commit reporting (example: Plame/Libby stuff).
Eureka Springs, AR @
74
http://www.amerikanexpose.com/quotes1.html
sorry couldn’t link it..( this wasn’t where I got it originally. I did a search)
Another likely dropped ball by the new improved just ice department: remember back in ‘99 and ‘00 the antitrust case against microsoft? MS had lied and claimed that Internet Exploiter was an integral and inseparable part of Windoze 9x, and was squeezing out competing browsers, like Netscape.
Somehow, the case just faded away around the time the Bush and Dick show opened.
I’ve read that the DoJ put the kibosh on the investigation of Abramoff in Guam among other investigations.
and for you comic lovers
i like comics.com
Pach @ 102 – well stated, I agree.
I love me a good Waxman slapdown on the Prez like yesterday’s letter to Conyers and Leahy:
Dear Chairman Leahy and Chairman Conyers:
Yesterday President Bush asserted that the White House would give Congress
‘bnprecedented” access to information regarding the Administration’s recent dismissal of U.S.
Attorneys. This staternent is misinformed. As you continue discussions with the White House
regarding your investigation of the U.S. Attorneys matter, I wanted to bring to your attention
relevant precedent.
LINK
Jim Hudson @ 105
from epluribusmedia.
WAXMAN!! Thanks AZMatt. For the cartoon as well.
Navarette is, if you scroll down to the bottom of that, a columnist from San Diego. He’s conservative on some things, and IMO he’s a bit too sensitive about prejudice, although he’s undoubtedly met it far too often. (Even in CA, there are people who think that brown means illegal, and the closer you get to the border, the worse it is.)
Pachacutec @ 102:
I agree with you. Josh Marshall has been slower to see what’s happening than you FireDogLakers. But he’s seeing it now.
thanks edward for that info.
re: digby. great post ‘connecting the dots.’
I Digby a Pony.
Terry Olson @ 110
Whacks-the-man
Sorry to disrupt the chain of thought — BUT
every single one here should want the Justice Department to determine that Jack Abramhof deserves this guidelines reduction. It only comes by singing like a bird; fully and completely.
What the AUSAs do with all the info. is another question and may be handled corruptly.
But Jack has given everything to Justice that they need to permanently bury the Republican party. It is like a mafia snitch — he is doing it out of hubris and anger, but the story he has told — at some considerable risk to himself (does anyone doubt that?) — is enough to deserve the “cooperation” reduction.
Love,
Defense Attorney Imm.
The Bush Administration has gamed the system for their endgame play. Politicize the CIA, FBI, DOJ and every Department in D.C.. There friends Libby, Abramhoff, Cunningham, Ney, et al will surely get their pardons for taking one for the team. Ultimately they want Congress to issue suboenas so they can then take it all the way to the Supreme Court. Because of recent appointments there is no reason to believe that the Court wouldn’t support Bush’s position. At that point in time, America will no longer be a Constitutional democracy but a dictatorship. What then is the next move? I see an exodus with expats sitting in cafe’s in the world’s capitals planning the counterrevolution.
Tithonia @ 112
I think Josh comes from an inherently centrist viewpoint, but he has shed alot of its encumbrances in the face of the shear awfulness and coruption of BushCo.
jackie @ 90
I’ve read this too, at many sites; I don’t know if he actually said it or if it’s an erroneous quote, but I’ve read it.
And if you try to Google it, it seems that they (Google) have manipulated their algorithm’s so that you can’t find the quote … but yes, I’ve read it too
imm!!!!!! Just dropped in while writing something for a lecture. Great to see you. What news?
cleter @
12
A shovel?!? Hey, when I was being trained as an archaeologist, we mainly used a Marshalltown trowel. Shovels were for removing the junk on top that is too disturbed to be of much value.
Hmm. Maybe the metaphor works, after all. The person shoveling off the topsoil/plowzone etc. needs to have the skill and sensitivity to know how deep to dig to expose the paydirt, without messing up good evidence.
In any case, I’m glad to see another archaeologist on the case!
Bob in HI
Michigan 1972
Greetings. Perhaps the “push” needs to be to persuade the appropriate committees to get Ms. Eubank in to testify next week….either just before or just after Alberto. I think then the media will “go nuts”…and in a good way.
Interesting quote there, Ms. Hamsher. You’re up to your usual very good work. And, hello all.
Ghostman
Valley!!!
I was just about to write you — positive faculty vote, positive trustee committee vote, awaiting full Trustee approval. April 11
I will wait to party until then (I am Soooo neurotic).
Ghostman!!!
Where ya been?
immanentize @ 115
the only problem now, Imm, is that we don’t trust what the DOJ is receiving! how could we? what’s going to happen to that information? will it ever lead to convictions? or is it going to be buried in the trash?
The final comments in a report made for Waxman concerning the Republican subpeonas of Clinton:
Over four years after the end of the Clinton Administration officials, the costs of
investigating Clinton Administration officials continued to grow. During the 12-month period between March 31,2004, and March 3l, 2005, Independent Counsel David M. Barrett spent $2.2 million on the investigation into former Clinton Administration HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, who pled guilty n 1999 (and was pardoned in 2001) for making false statements regarding payments made to an ex-mistress. ln confrast, the House authorized just $500,000 for the investigation of Hurricane Katrina, one of the most significant disasters in U.S. history.
Tells you where their concerns were.
I asked this question on an earlier thread. Does anyone know who the DOJ players were in the settlement of the Antitrust case agains’t Microsoft? And is this another instance like the Tobacco case where the political players cost the taxpayers/consumers billions?
Ghostman @ 121
Ghostman! long time, no see…
Ghostman @ 121
good idea, I’m suggesting this very thing to my congressional representative
AZ Matt @ 108– that letter and the enclosure are priceless! Thank you very much for that.
whew.
kerpow, indeedy.
I feel like buying every single one of Waxman’s staffers a great big milkshake/latte/volvo (and more!)
hi imm and Ghostman.
I’ve been….traveling. But good to see some names of some good folks. You guys really do rock. Hell, you put up with me….that’s worth something!
Ghostman
Thanks jackie.
Elliott @ 128
Check my 55, Waxman is already at it!
I so totally agree — but that isn’t Jack’s fault is it? I mean, unlike Cunnigham, who did not have to cooperate at all, Jack totally gave up the family jewels….
Ghostman @ 130
Welcome home.
there are likely dozens, if not scores, if not hundreds of potential indictments that were not brought by US Attorneys due to their succumbing to pressures from justice, the senate, the house, the white house, the office of emperor….
Since 80% of the people investigated were democratic public figures in the last several years, it gives rise to the probability that the crimes that have been manipulated are easily in the scores, and likely in the hundreds. As Josh says, the reason they won’t show their cards is the sheer criminality of it. the iceberg has come in view. time for a mask and snorkel. then a wetsuit and tanks. perhaps a submersible and cameras. a remote vehicle with cameras and test equipment to study that iceberg down to it’s bottom? wonder if they are willing to dive that deep?
Ghostman @
121
Ghostman, you’re back!
So am I. Another walk. My basketball privileges are restored.
The Lord of the Remote Control is a task master.
Whacks-the-Man. Boy, punaise, that’s whacky!
Tom @ 93
A pink diaper (born in the 1950s of parents who looked famorably on communist ideas) friend pointed out the following a few years ago. W appoints members of disadvantaged groups who are incompetent, thus forcing Ds to criticize prominent members of groups who would normally vote D. Gonzales is the Latino example. Rice & Powell (google colin powell my lai report for the poop) are the Black examples. Rice & Meirs are the female examples. Devilish.
immanentize @
115
Except we won’t have any evidence of Abramhoff singing like a bird and if there’s one point most everyone here can agree on, it is that words alone do not suffice. These clowns can CLAIM that Jack sang like a mine canary, but if there are no further indictments and convictions of others up the food chain, it is meaningless. And you can pretty much bet Abramhoff et al were NOT in this by themselves. If no one else, there are too many ex-Tom Delay staffers for there not to be information on Delay himself.
Terry Olson @ 137
yeah, well my lyrical adaptation of the Beatles’ “Taxman” fell flat, so…
hail, Ghostman!
immanentize @
122
Congratulations. It’s like old home week around here.
immanentize @ 122
WhoooHoooo! Great News! But I KNOW *exactly* what you mean about waiting to party. It’s not neurotic, it’s… well, it’s just what people who have been through the process tend to do. I did same. Hey what’s a few weeks? xxooo
Don’t forget Ron Christie.
punaise @ 117
…and I do think Josh does incredible work.
Peterr @ 63, Leahy and Conyers may make it happen.
angie @ 129
Henry has a bunch of stuff at his site – letter to Gonzo concerning the Eubank’s allegations, letter to Condi Rice about fraud in Iraq reconstruction projects. He is shovelling fast and furious cuz he is a ticked off puppy!
Henry’s Page of Goodies!
immanentize @ 133
“Some of the information provided by the defendant to the government within one year of the sentencing did not become useful to the government until recently because it concerns the investigation of others outside the Southern District of Florida,” a prosecutor wrote in a filing with the court.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onde…..secut.html
Hmm…
Hey, imm!
Thanks for the linky, Jackie.
And welcome back Ghostman!
Imm – congrats! Happy April 11.
Ghostman is back!
Imm – I agree, but we want some results… Delay would be a very good start.
#55: ok, looks lik Matt/AZ is on this idea via Waxman. Good. Waxman is like a junk yard dog. I just hope Ms. ubanks appears live…rathr than documents. The lengthy quote postd by Ms. Hamsher is mighty juicy.
And, hello Ms. Hamsher…I’m probably still the only one to refr to you as “Ms. Hamsher”…but that’s just me!
Ghostman
AZ Matt @ 146
Thanx AZ Matt!
Maybe reading all of Hank’s work will calm me down. I’m so
AZ Matt @ 132
WAXMAN!
Tom @ 2
Word, word, and fucking word!
Coz — I saw that too, and was wondering what that referred to. The reach of federal district court is grand — particularly the southern district of florida (I clerked there). But it does not reach into international areas that do not involve violations of US law. That is, foreign political things. So if the AUSA is a good fellow career type, my guess is AIPAC related info. knowing Jaks many passions.
jackie @
65
Does this have anything to do with Bread and Circuses? Seems to me that’s what I remember the Romans using to keep the public content and sufficiently distracted to not pay attention to the way they were getting screwed by the Romn elite.
Who runs the Bushco. bright shiny objects factory?
Bob in HI
Waxman must have a great staff. My thanks to all of them.
oldtree @ 135
I’m beginning to be conscious of the depth of the damage these people have done to the world’s faith in our country’s most fundamental institutions. I was in a room filled with European execs today and they were in a mood to talk about current events. They were perplexed that gonzogate has as much traction as it does considering “the Republicans managed to rig two national elections and nobody cared” (a point which they seemed to accept on faith happened). Regardless of reality, that’s how far we’ve fallen in the court of public opinion.
Welcome Home Imm and Ghostman ! - wow – and congrats imm !
thought I was starting to piss everyone off with my Alice Fisher jag of the last two days – apparently not -
I’ve been faxing and calling Leahy’s and Schumer’s committee staff – beseeching them to look in to this – don’t know what else to do, it’s not as if OPR or Public Integrity Office are gonna do anything –
suggestions ?
BillE at #126:
Wiki is our friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U….._Microsoft
The deliberate mishandling of the tobacco suit cost the taxpayers $120 Billion. Not sure how one could quantify the losses due to the microsoft monopoly being left alone. If one added up just lost “productivity” hours from crashes, bugs and “upgrades”, it might be in the billions. The upside is ensuring job security for IT support staff!
(From the article above)
Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul F. Schwartz did not recommend how much Abramoff’s sentence should be cut.
In the court papers filed Wednesday, Schwartz said prosecutors would recommend a reduction in his sentence and would file further documents describing the “nature, extent and value” of his cooperation.
So who’s got their hooks into AUSA Paul F Schwartz?
immanentize @ 155
Imm, would Abramoff’s Marianas/Guam “activities” be subject to the Southern district? (I guess what I’m wondering is whether crimes in US Pacific Trust teritories could be brought in the FL Federal Court.)
BTW, I’m tickled by your hypothesis, and I want it to be true.
Jack brings AIPAC down – lovely irony. What a treat.
ongaku @ 160
what ongaku says.
david baerwald @ 161
The people who let him know they were allowing him to remain employed at DOJ.
Ghostman @
151
Actually, you’re not the only one…and it’s good to see both you and Imm at the Lake.
Tom @ 93
Well… remember when O’Reilly said on air that he routinely suffers employment discrimination due to his Irishness?
Tweety had a Dr. Bernadette Halley [sp?] on talking about Ms. Edwards……she did an absolutely *perfect* job. Too bad the MSM doesn’t put more people like her with both brains and empathy before the public.
Waccamaw @ 165
agreed.
Since Jane brought up basketball, I’m going to say this, but I’m only going to say it once:
Rock Chalk Jay Hawk
kirk murphy @ 164
Yeah, but how do we make that apparent? We’ve got to get into that GWB43 server. Its contents have to be discoverable, right?
Heh, got busy for a while.
Hiya to Immanentizeand Ghostman!
When I first posted notice of the Eubanks allegations in the comments yesterday evening, I stressed something which I still think needs more emphasis.
The headlines will scream about the difference in the fine to big tobacco — and perhaps that’s only natural.
But the nugget in there which made my eyes pop was the statement that political appointees worked to get witnesses to change their testimony.
Now, it seems to me that the perps will try to argue that a change in the fine (to a ridiculously low amount) falls under the category of “prosecutorial discretion.”
But isn’t it true that getting witnesses to change their testimony IS A CRIME?
AZ Matt @ 55
Nananananananana nananananana WAX MAN!
Raw Story:
President’s involvement in firings at center of subpoena debate
As an added….oh….perhaps nothing/perhaps something: I saw a DeLay interview recently; touting his new book. Seems he’s found God, etc. I bear NO ill will towards the religious…but with DeLay…I don’t trust him.
Is DeLay setting up a “Jesus defense”…meaning he’s heard some gossip that Abramhoff is rolling over on him like a giant timber? It’s very grassy knoll at this point…but I wonder.
Ghostman
neurophius @ 169
Well…. ; )
http://www.nflnut.com/store/media/AEtarheels.bmp
Blub @ 166
They’re trying to see if they can just make us choke to death, aren’t they? Bastards.
We’ll just have to explode their heads right back
Tweety’s guest was Dr. Bernadine Healy and she is like the girl with the curl in the middle of her forehead –when she is good she is very very good and when she is bad she is awful.
Good today –awful during the Terry Schiavo case.
Stephen Parrish, CPA – damned if you do, damned if you don’t? between a rock and a hard place?
poor chimpy! what a mess he’s gotten himself into!
Bob Schacht @ 156
Yeah. And two of that factory’s most popular products are called “American Idol” and “Missing Blonde White Women.”
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Britney Spears were on retainer to shave her head.
Mrs. K8 @ 171, now Christy will be more upset. (Ducking under desk)
In the article HotFlash linked to on Eubanks and the tobacco death merchants, there was a quote of Martin Luther King about remembering everything Hitler did was legal. How chilling is that?
#171, MsK8: yep, yep, yep. Made my eyes bug as well. If true…..we got much more than an ethics matter. We’re talking CRIMES.
Ghostman
david baerwald @ 170
The NSA will have all the traffic copied.
Hee, hee. Stupid fucking ahistorical Rethugs. Never dreamt the web they spun for democracy would bind them so tightly.
I fault their spellcraft.
They spun a web for democracy – and it worked.
For democracy.
Awful to watch what they have done. Wonderful to watch their destruction.
OldCoastie @
179
Your observation is essentially the same as rwcole’s observation expressed in comments in one of today’s other threads.
Was Healy the Director of the Red Cross at one time?
Here’s how I imagine the Abramoff “cooperation” to be going:
Abramoff: “Congressman XYZ told me at the restaurant that he wanted another $100K by close of the week.”
Investigator: “Now, isn’t it true that the restaurant where you met plays very, very loud music? Isn’t it possible Congressman XYZ actually said ‘Temperatures of 100 in the Keys make vacationers feel weak”?
Abramoff: “Uh…yeah. That’s the ticket.”
Investigator: “Very good, Jack. We’ll write up a report on your good behavior.”
Sally @ 181
For years now I’ve been posting here and earlier at Eschaton about everything I learned in graduate school about the Weimar Republic. The parallels have frightened me from the very beginning of this heinous reign.
I want to see “Nuernberg Trials Part Zwei” at the Hague. Even if that means an “extraordinary rendition” raid to Paraguay. Simon Wiesenthal never gave up, did he?
Back. What did I miss?
From one of MSNBC’s blogs via ThinkProgress:
DOES PELOSI HAVE 218 VOTES?
neuro @ 169, Leahy, Conyers and Waxman to the Bushoviks: I’m going to say this, and I’m only going to say it once, “Come clean, fellas.”
To the dock of the Hague with all of them, Mrs. K8!
oh, and troops out now.
stop the occupations now.
speaking of docudumping, did you hear about the fire at the DOJ 2 nights ago?
http://tinyurl.com/2gtpm6
And here I was worried about the “executive privilege” claims going to court.
Sounds like, in the Raw Story item, in order to prove “executive privilege” might be a valid claim, Georgie would have to certify that he’s in it up to his eyeballs.
Correct?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Boy, they really haven’t thought this one out, have they?
katherine graham cracker @ 177
Thanks for the caveat; I’ll file that one for future caution. Fortunately for us….today she was “very, very good”.
Mrs. K8 @ 193, so far they have gotten away with not thinking anything out. But just maybe….
Linda @ 192
Holy Mary, Mother of God!
Now I’m back to having the desperate hope that there are “retired” spooks with a quaint fondness for the Constitution working on…uh…a freelance basis.
I hate relying on hopes like that.
My dog Jake scratching his ear inquired as to whether there is some
meta-strategy out there guiding the investigations by
Leahy and Waxman. He asks at what point is there the political
momentum to open the Impeachment process and begin drafting
Articles of Impeachment. He wonders if the Bushies are going to’ stall, stonewall, run the clock out and hope to succeed in their criminality will Nancy Pelosi have the pollitical guts to begin
the Impeachment process rather than wait till elections to defeat
the Republicans (that’s if they are not stolen again). Had to tell
him time will only tell.
Linda @ 192
Holy Crow!
overheated shredder?
plain old document burning?
Mrs. K8 @
187
Trouble is, our man in the bunker still has command of a fearsome if wounded military and secret police machine. He’s still extremely dangerous, and will probably get more so the more he’s cornered.
My only hope is that career professionals in all the bureaucracies are balking at his clear signs of imperial dementia, and still have enough moral capital and courage to resist his dominionist ambitions, and then resist some more. That, an activated citizenry like we see here, and an increasingly outraged legislature… That’s what we’ve got. Theyve got, at least from the top down, DOJ, the Military, the CIA, the Supremes, all the agencies… We’re looking at a fight. And it’s one we damn well better win.
Bernadine Healy wiki
1984, Healy became deputy director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy for the Ronald Reagan administration.
Appointed in 1991 by George H.W. Bush to be the first female head of the NIH institutes. Left when another director was appointed after the election of President Bill Clinton.
She has been serving the administration of George W. Bush as an advisor on bio-terrorism on the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology since 2001
Bernadette Healy was the President of the American Red Cross. (Google is my friend)
Sam @ 196
Hey Jane, Sam and Jake are back too! Old home week indeed! (but Jane’s probably watching BB)
david baerwald @ 199
…and the ballet girls at Blackwell…
We out number them.
Look at all the grief just the left wing blogs have caused the fascist bastards.
They are worried, trust me.
Sam @ 197
What does your dog Jake see in the entrails regarding the White House’s position that
“you can’t subpoena Rove and Miers because it would have a chilling effect on staffers giving advice to the president, but…uh…of course, the president doessn’t know anything about it” position?
Sam @ 197
Judging from the letter mention AZMatt@55, I suspect Waxman has templates prepared to draft said articles.
Reading the comments in the Daily Kos diary accessed by that TinyUrl link on the Justice Department fire (and yes, it’s a dKos diary, for those reluctant to follow an unknown link), I’m reminded of the October fire at the NSA building at Fort Meade — once it was clear there would be huge Democratic gains in Congress.
They really are EXACTLY like La Cosa Nostra, aren’t they? Got a big problem? Have a fire! And make sure someone bought out by your organization is on the arson squad.
Jane Hamsher @
25
Jane, whoever’s bossing you around, they deserve cookies. To whom do we send them?
The measure of the success of the Bush Admininstration re: the US Attorney’s purge can be stated simply…
We are all talking about Domenici and Wilson and subpoenas and tobacco and executive privilege, etc.
Meanwhile, “the real problem” (to quote Sampson), Carol Lam, in Southern California, is no longer working as a US Attorney on matters related to Wade, Wilkes, $140k, the OVP, Foggo, Cunningham, etc.
Do you think Rove is worried about David Iglesias and Cummins being on TV?
Carol Lam, “the real problem” is gone, the MSM is not following up on the $140k question that leads straight to the OVP and neither are we.
Bustednuckles @ 204
you’re right, Busteduckles, they’re worried
aspTrader – I’d see where Dianne Feinstein is going – she is all over the Lam situation…
Waxman, Leahy, Conyers, and FDL/TPM/Kos etc. are the amalgamation of Eliot Ness and they are…
Al Capone.
Not untouchable anymore.
(Healey and Liddy Dole both have headed the ARC.)
Is Jane’s walk-pusher for hire to the general public?
New Thread upstairs!
Hey, Sam and Jake!
{{{***waving madly!***}}}
Good to see you again! Long time, no see. How’s tricks?
I see that Bernadette Healy serves on the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.
Does she believe in science?
Wikipedia says Alice Fisher was confirmed by the Senate? I know Wikipedia does not have a great reputation for complete accuracy. Given BushCo 500 million campaign to rewrite his–tory, I hope FDL is backed up in several places. I see FDL links quite frequently when I Google just in case there is a big crash shortly after Bush leaves office.
Mrs. K8 @ 207
Stepped away for awhile
Ding, ding, ding
I was just going to mention that
jackie @
67
The quote is found all over the web, usually in the form of this isolated paragraph. Further info:
David Rockefeller speaking at the Bilderberger meeting in June 1991 in Baden Baden, Germany. The Bilderbergers are an interesting and fearful lot. They’re a lot like Cheney & Bush, only with a New World Order in mind. In fact, I’ll bet Cheney, at least, is in on it. Henry Kissinger is a member. It all sounds like loony fringe stuff, but consider this:
Sounds pretty looney– but it also sounds SO MUCH like Dick Cheney. And “the Decider.” And remember that Henry Kissinger has spent a lot of time over in the White House during the past 6 years.
Hmm.
Bob in HI
Blub @
158
This is one reason I’ve been to nuts and back over the last couple of years, wishing that the collective ‘we’ did not seem so quietscent, no matter what we’re actually feeling or even doing, in the face of these thugs. I think most see clearly, including people I talk to regularly who are not blogged-up, that BushCo have destroyed any vestige of regard for the U.S. government in the rest of the world, but I’m less sure that it’s widely understood that ordinary citizens were expected to show more of a full-throated outcry than we have.
Things having gone as they have, perhaps if we can be ready to tell Congress soon that we have “heard” enough and it is time for them to act to put an end to the destruction of our civil society, we’ll be able to stand up again as American people. Perhaps the way to begin is to weave the USA story (disciplining the soldiers while destroying the opposition and getting your guys off, witness tampering, all that good ol’ wiseguy stuff), the torture memos (the kind of high-level favor for the Don you have to do to become a made man), and the FISA and NSL matters (extending the culture of omertà to the larger community) into one narrative of the use of the Justice Department as a racket-style political machine. That narrative has two virtues: It is a large enough issue to salt the ground after this gang, but not overly technical, so that it’s well within the political understanding of most Americans to see what has been done wrong. And it doesn’t involve enough national security issues to be delayed by graymail-type issues.
Combine that with continuing exposure of the mistreatment of wounded veterans and the underequipping and overextension of the infantry, which I think is softening a lot of their support in redstate-type areas, and impeachment while it still matters just might be possible.
Ghostman @
175
Hmmm. That’s not the God I was looking for …
Bustednuckles @
204
Yes, they are clearly and rightly worried, and that gives me a great degree of satisfaction, and I am convinced we will win this in the end.
But cornered rats can be pretty nasty. As we close in on him, we also have to find ways to close off his access to the weapons a president traditionally has. Those Generals standing up two weeks ago saying that theyd resign if ordered to attack Iran. We need more of that, all up and down the chain of command, in every agency, every federal bureaucracy. I’m told that there was a moment towards the end of Watergate when the military waas instructed to ignore Nixon if he ordered some demented attack. We’re gonna need that to happen here, too, and soon.
So, Abu Gonzales wants to remain attorney general so he can keep protecting the kids?
I would have loved to have been at the presser to ask him: “Hey, Alberto, what were you doing last year before the election to protect the “kids” in the House Page Office from Rep. Mark Foley?”
Or, “Alberto, when did you and Rove as well as other top White House officials first learn that Rep. Mark Foley was hitting on House pages?”
Or, “Alberto, as head of the Justice Department, did you try to get U.S. Attorneys around the country to “pushback” against the negative news coverage last October regarding the Foley scandal by having the U.S. Attorneys bring trumped-up cases against Democrats over bogus voter fraud charges?”
In other words, it is quite obvious that Gonzales, Rove and the White House had turned the U.S. Attorneys into “hatchet men” for White House political purposes.
Apparently, eight U.S. Attorneys weren’t the “hatchet men” that the White House hoped they would be, so they were unceremoniously fired. They either were too aggressive in going after corrupt Republicans (as in Carol Lam’s case) or weren’t toeing the political timeline in unsealing indictments against Democrats (as in David Iglesias’ case).
However, the timing of the firing of these U.S. Attorneys still hinges, I believe, on what happened in the two months preceding their firing, no matter what communications have been released which indicate that Bush officials have been contemplating their removal since shortly after the 2004 elections.
And in this two months pre-firing period, besides the Republicans losing big in the November elections, the only event that stands out as having done the most damage to Republicans before the election is the Mark Foley scandal, with extensive coverage peaking in October and lasting through election day, especially with news that top House Republicans had known about Rep. Mark Foley hitting on House pages for quite some time…without doing anything to stop him.
Therefore, it is my contention that many of the missing emails discussing the firing of U.S. Attorneys contain references to the Foley scandal and some U.S. Attorneys not doing enough to “pushback” against the negative (for Republicans) news coverage in their district in the lead up to the November elections last year.
So, “Alberto, when did you and Rove know about Mark Foley hitting on House pages and what did you, especially, do to protect these “kids” from a sexual predator from you own political party?”
Tobacco Road
McCallum ordered it [$130 billion] cut to $10 billion… McCallum, who is now the U.S. ambassador to Australia…
Now there’s punishment for you. Austrailia has got to be one of, if not the most sought after ambassadorial postings on the planet. Amazing what a gift of $120 billion will buy you these days.
Did anyone catch that Republican Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa wanted to make sure his name went on the record today as being “in favour of subpoena power regarding Rove et al?
punaise @
81
In both cases copies of the interviews should be made available to their Democrat opponents in the run-up to the next Congressional elections.
I think more and more Republicans are going to avoid the Talk Shows! Seems Tweety and others are beginning to show some spine and the Bushbots are going to start getting more and more scarce…or look like Tony Snow with a lobotomy!
The Abramoff links to this are huge.
I have been researching the Abramoff scandal since 1999 (more than a few years before the name “Jack Abramoff” become synonymous with corruption).
My Diaries over at Daily Kos go into some detail about the many aspects of the Abramoff Scandal.
We should compare notes. Please feel free to contact me at dengre at toadmail dot com
cheers
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