
If the Bush Administration did nothing wrong, why are they so afraid to allow Karl Rove and his political cronies to publicly proclaim their innocence to all the world? If there was no politics and political hackery involved, why hide behind no transcript and no "on the record" and no public accountability? Why this tap dance if there was no attempt to pervert the rule of law with political hatchet machinations?
What is the Bush White House so afraid of, I keep asking myself? Sidney Blumenthal has a theory in Salon this morning:
The man Bush has nicknamed "Fredo," the weak and betraying brother of the Corleone family, is, unlike Fredo, a blind loyalist, and will not be dispatched with a shot to the back of the head in a rowboat on the lake while reciting his Ave Maria. (Is Bush aware that Colin Powell refers to him as "Sonny," after the hothead oldest son?) But saving "Fredo" doesn't explain why Bush is willing to risk a constitutional crisis. Why is Bush going to the mattresses against the Congress? What doesn't he want known?
In the U.S. attorneys scandal, Gonzales was an active though second-level perpetrator. While he gave orders, he also took orders. Just as his chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, has resigned as a fall guy, so Gonzales would be yet another fall guy if he were to resign. He was assigned responsibility for the purge of U.S. attorneys but did not conceive it. The plot to transform the U.S. attorneys and ipso facto the federal criminal justice system into the Republican Holy Office of the Inquisition had its origin in Karl Rove's fertile mind.
Just after Bush's reelection and before his second inauguration, as his administration's hubris was running at high tide, Rove dropped by the White House legal counsel's office to check on the plan for the purge. An internal e-mail, dated Jan. 6, 2005, and circulated within that office, quoted Rove as asking "how we planned to proceed regarding the U.S. attorneys, whether we are going to allow all to stay, request resignations from all and accept only some of them, or selectively replace them, etc." Three days later, Sampson, in an e-mail, "Re: Question from Karl Rove," wrote: "As an operational matter we would like to replace 15-20 percent of the current U.S. attorneys — the underperforming ones …The vast majority of U.S. attorneys, 80-85 percent I would guess, are doing a great job, are loyal Bushies, etc., etc."
The disclosure of the e-mails establishing Rove's centrality suggests not only the political chain of command but also the hierarchy of coverup. Bush protects Gonzales in order to protect those who gave Gonzales his marching orders — Rove and Bush himself. (emphasis mine)
That Karl Rove would stand up and cry foul for anyone trying to politicize anything is ludicrous. The man's entire existence is built on a foundation of working the political angle until the public bends to your way of spinning.
There was a curious piece in yesterday's LATimes, that now raises a whole lot more questions in my mind as to what is next in the USAs story and the saga of the unravelling DoJ and "Karl's shop" politicization and perversion of the rule of law under the Bush Administration. From the LATimes:
Senior Justice Department officials began drafting memos this month listing specific reasons why they had fired eight U.S. attorneys, intending to cite performance problems such as insubordination, leadership failures and other missteps if needed to convince angry congressional Democrats that the terminations were justified….
The prosecutors' shortcomings also were listed in a talking-points memo, indicating the willingness of the Justice Department to make public what are normally confidential personnel matters in order to counter its critics.
Any attorney who works in employment matters can tell you — up front — that preparing documents post hoc to buttress your employment termination decisions, and then leaking that information publicly to bolster your public credibility smacks of desperation and lying. This morning's WaPo gives us one of the many reasons why the panic may have set in a month ago at the highest reaches of the DoJ and Karl's political shop at the Bush White House. Say hello to political interference on behalf of Big Tobacco.
From the WaPo:
The leader of the Justice Department team that prosecuted a landmark lawsuit against tobacco companies said yesterday that Bush administration political appointees repeatedly ordered her to take steps that weakened the government's racketeering case.
Sharon Y. Eubanks said Bush loyalists in Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales's office began micromanaging the team's strategy in the final weeks of the 2005 trial, to the detriment of the government's claim that the industry had conspired to lie to U.S. smokers.
She said a supervisor demanded that she and her trial team drop recommendations that tobacco executives be removed from their corporate positions as a possible penalty. He and two others instructed her to tell key witnesses to change their testimony. And they ordered Eubanks to read verbatim a closing argument they had rewritten for her, she said.
"The political people were pushing the buttons and ordering us to say what we said," Eubanks said. "And because of that, we failed to zealously represent the interests of the American public."
Eubanks, who served for 22 years as a lawyer at Justice, said three political appointees were responsible for the last-minute shifts in the government's tobacco case in June 2005: then-Associate Attorney General Robert D. McCallum, then-Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and Keisler's deputy at the time, Dan Meron.
News reports on the strategy changes at the time caused an uproar in Congress and sparked an inquiry by the Justice Department. Government witnesses said they had been asked to change testimony, and one expert withdrew from the case. Government lawyers also announced that they were scaling back a proposed penalty against the industry from $130 billion to $10 billion.
This is far from the first time that I have heard about potential political meddling in a case brought by US Attorneys. But this one is enormous in terms of the cost to America's taxpayers in lost settlement dollars (hello, Big Tobacco GOP donors!). And it is only one of many, many areas where political influence may have become the primary concern in charging and prosecutorial decisions.
See more from Eubanks in this 2006 interview of her for TobaccoBlog. (H/T to HotFlash for the link.)
Eubanks described the DOJ effort as “The little engine that could.” She felt the trial had had significant victories along the way, not least of which was just plain keeping the case alive. One of those life-sustaining victories was surviving a Federal budget crisis. Observers at the time were almost sure that the Bush Administration would put the DOJ on a starvation budget woefully inadequate to battling the tobacco industry–or simply refuse to fund the effort. But the Tobacco Litigation Team–to the surprise of many– was re-funded.
Eubanks felt the administration had little confidence in the Tobacco Legal Team’s ability to prosecute the case. “They didn’t think we’d know what to do with [the money],” she said. They seemed to be saying, “‘Let them hang themselves.’”
A frequent tactic in doing away with prosecutions that are not favored by the political types is to either starve the team of the funds needed to prosecute the case or to promote all the competent people out of prosecuting it (who can complain if they are given a promotion right out of the very public corruption cases that they are moving forward so successfully, right?)
One only need look to the recess appointment of Alice Fisher, DeLay pal, to head up the public corruption prosecutions in the vast mess that is the Abramoff corruption scandal. And then ask yourself: Jack Abramoff has been working with the FBI and coughing up all sorts of information according to numerous reports — where are the additional indictments after all this time?
The NYTimes has a puff piece about "Presidential prerogatives," quoting all sorts of Republican political strategists on the beest machinations and maneuvers that the White House can pull out of its hat to keep from having to tell the public the truth about what they have tried to do to the legal system in this country. The current WH line is that any public hearing is a "show trial" and that the public isn't entitled to know a damn thing about what the President does or does not know about all of this, thank you very much, because the Republican Party doesn't want any taint from Karl Rove under oath to spill over onto them for the next election cycle.
Well, I don't care one whit about the political pressures on either side fo the aisle on this. You want to know what is irritating me about this entire mess this morning? Obstruction of justice on political terms. A prosecutor is faced with evidence of a crime — and that prosecutor is bound by law and by ethics to follow that evidence where it leads, even to follow it where the prosecutor does not want to go. What that means is this: politics should never be the guiding force in charging and investigative decisions. Period.
That the Bush White House has so perverted the system that I am even asking myself whether each and every prosecution that has been brought deserves public scrutiny for politicization is bad enough. That I have been asking myself whether the appointments to a lifetime service on the federal bench are equally tainted is the next step — and I am well past that point.
As an American citizen, as a lawyer, and as someone who beleives wholeheartedly in the principles behind the rule of law, I say this with as much disgust and disdain as I can muster: these people must answer publicly for their role in attempting to subvert the foundations of American government and justice. That means full testimony, under oath and in public. Anything less wil leave questions lingering in the minds of each and every lawyer who works within the criminal justice system — and that taint cannot be allowed to stand.
The Bush Administration made the decision to pervert the system of justice with their vile, political hackery. They can damn well stand up like adults and face the music for it.
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DELBERT!!!!!!!!
O.T. but worth reading the comments at the bottom of Novaks (a.k.a. Traitor Scumbag) latest drivel. The angry hords are waking up folks!! :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01788.html
Oh and GO CHRISTY, WAXMAN & lEAHY!!
Good morning!
I really did used to have some faith in the justice system in our country, but it is disappearing like a wet footprint beside the pool on a hot summer’s day.
IIRC, a lot of good people were “kicked upstairs” in order to effectively kill investigations into the Marianas case. Tom Delay, please pick up the white courtesy phone!
light the torch, and grab the pitchfork!
The most direct method of reply to the White House concerning aides to the President’s testimony is simply.
“innocent people have no fear testifying under oath and in public”
It bears repeating over and over.
The repukes don’t think they should ever have to face the music, no matter what they do. The analogy to the fictional Corleone family is a good one, because like the Corleones, they’ll yammer about “nonpartisanship” just like Vito askes Philip Tattaglia “will vengeance bring your son back to you, or mine, to me?”
And Like the Corleone family, they know the answer is no, but that doesn’t matter, because it’s not about bringing their sons back, it’s about staying on top of the heap.
Vito never exacted his revenge on Tattaglia, but son Michael killed them all.
Bush 41 never exacted his revenge…but son 43 did.
Think about that the next time you think of Bush 41 as a better guy and better president.
It’s even better than that, Christy.
Turns out that the ONE US Attorney that could have legitimately been zapped for cause was only added to the kill list because a judge threatened to go to Congress with the evidence of his suckiness as a USA. Why did they defend him? He’s a BushCo zampolit, of course, a party hack through and through.
It’s becoming more apparent by the day (minute?) that Bush is gonna “go to the mats” because any investigation of the Justice Dept, no matter its starting point, is going to just keep finding more and more illegality, immorality, partisnship and assorted nefarious deeds which will turn into a never-ending shit-storm for the admin.
Keep hammering Christy, you’re doin’ great
Feel the love from Steven Gillers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..9mon4.html
Read this. Really!
Add your own comment LINK to Novak’s Op-Ed “Was She Covert?” LINK
wmc418 @ 7
Remember how happy Valerie was to tesify under oath? The truth was her friend
OT but I just realized a perfect strategy for John Edwards to capture the REPUBLICAN nomination for President. Work with me on this…
If (God forbid!!) today’s press conference he and his wife Elizabeth have announced today is to share bad medical news about her breast cancer, well he should also announce that he’s divorcing her. That will immediately capture the “Republican Hypocritical Family Values” vote right there and he’ll be our next President for sure.
Q.E.D.
Has FDL gotten its Pulitzer Prize yet?? :)
Was not McNulty himself kicked upstairs off the AIPAC espionage case?
This is terrific, Christy. Maybe you’ve always been good at deconstructing Bushiness, but it seems as though you’ve mastered it in recent time. Oh. My. Dog. These people are robots. They’ve been programmed by ??? to march in lockstep and speak as one. Where the rubber hits the road (mixed metaphor, big time) is when “mistakes are made” and someone tries to get creative about explaining that away. As long as the Dems keep relentless pressure on them, one by one and as a whole, the inconsistencies will continue to surface, which provides a damning trail. The Supremes? Oh, lordy. Thinking Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas. How does one deconstruct the Supreme appointments? ANd having done so, then what?
barbara @ 15
Keep at it
Let’s think about the judicial appointments process folks.
Don’t forget, Article 3 judges are LIFETIME appointments. Keep turning over those rocks
Oh yes, Bush is in this one up to his squinty eyeballs. By his own admission, he heard compaints about USAs from people in Congress, probably Domenici and/or Wilson. Then he says he does not remember if he talked to anyone in the White House about it, and says he did not give ’specific instructions’. Sounds exactly like his father’s claims in the Iran-Contra mess that he may have been in the meetings, but did not remember what they were talking about. This just does not pass the sniff test, especially since giving orders about political retribution is what Dubya loves, and does best. Are we to believe Bush heard from Domenici and said nothing to anyone?
Wish we could get Fitz on this case.
- Sidney Blumenthal 3/22/7 Salon
wmc418 @ 7
Holy of holies, ain’t that the truth! Dems, can you remember that mantra please?
as always, I’m with Mr. Blumenthal – Tweety can gush about loyalty to Abu, but it is all about keeping him away from further scrutiny – a first year law student would have his weak ass folding like a cheap suit
EPU’d
I’m gonna have to leave for work soon but I have two DOJ items vexing me -
1.
during the latter phase of the Moussaui (sp?) trial, one of the Prosec. got caught doing something that was helpful to the airlines in their defense of a civil suit in NY. Believe the DOJ lead in that case is now head of Public Integrity or Office of Prof. Responsibility -
connected ???
2.
the other goes back to the Revised Patriot Act language that bypassed Senate Confirmation -
The revised Act was passed on 3/3/6,
yet on 7/21/6 the Senate confirmed (by voice vote) the current Utah USA Brett Tolman
now maybe this was ceremonial in nature – but
were the Senators unaware as late as 7/21 of the new provisions ?
and did Senators Hatch and Specter put on this little confirmation dog n pony show for their colleagues to keep the revisions on the low-low ?
I’ll take my answer on the air
S.O.S. from MA @
15
The Pulitzers require that you have to have a deadtree version. It can show up on the internet, but only if it appears in some form on paper.
Somehow, I don’t think old Joseph Pulitzer would approve of that, because if he had lived a century later, Joe would have loved the muckraking, scandal-pursuing blogs.
looseheadprop @ 19
Sounds like somebody knows what’s under some of those rocks.
Talk about projection, I’ve been calling Chimpy Fredo for years. He must read FDL (hi Chimpy)
LHP — There are an awful lot of rocks. SIGH
Mandrake @ 21 and wmc418 @ 7 and everyone else:
Every one of us who comments or blogs or emails should begin right this minute attaching this:
Innocent people are not afraid to testify under oath and in public.
Let the blogosphere get legs on this!
Sincerely,
barbara
Innocent people are not afraid to testify under oath and in public.
oh yeah peanut gallery !
JF – I concur wholeheartedly – looseheadprop, your strict adherence to ethical/professional behavior is a thing of beauty ! – now, about those rocks . . . :)
One of the letters in response to the Washington Post article linked by Christy states that Fitzgerald was due to be fired in March and that he has been taken off the Conrad Black case. I wonder if this is true?
looseheadprop @
12
Uh oh . . . someone seems to be less than pleased with being the New Scooter:
IANAL, but Mr. Gonzales’ lawyer ought to be worried about what Mr. Sampson’s lawyer is saying.
Pass the popcorn. (Thanks for the link, lhp!)
Okay, IANAL, but it seems that what this all comes down to is obstruction of justice on a massive scale. Can Rove be impeached for that?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
The mainstream media and even some of our fellow progressive bloggers have yet to make that next leap. This is where we have an opportunity at FireDogLake to open a bit wider that Overton Window.
It does not yet seem possible that they would game lifetime appointments to the bench — but then only weeks ago it didn’t seem possible they would game the offices of the U.S. Attorneys, either.
It’s time to pull the window open a bit wider and let in that fresh air and sunlight, Christy. Go for it, do a post on the implications of a tainted judgeship. Throw the pebble in the pond and watch the ripples.
Christy -
Lord’a mercy, girl. You musta thrown away the cup and just started mainlining the coffee pot. Spot on!
dalloway @ 32
He’s not elected.
dalloway @ 31
Would imprisonment satisfy you?
btw, the ad copy that I found above just cracked me up. “It’s toasted!” just seemed too perfect from this old Lucky Strike tobacco ad. hehehe Couldn’t help myself.
Waccamaw at 34 — *blush* Why, thank you. But I’m only on my second cuppa coffee. You can ask Mr. ReddHedd — I’ve been peeved about this issue for a while now. Sometimes, you just have to let it out.
It seems to me BushCo might regard “testifying under oath and in public” this way– like a colonoscopy– somewhat uncomfortable and unpleasant but leading to a clean bill of health in most cases and if results not benign then there is opportunity for a cure.
There’s a subtle point that I haven’t seen made yet.
This is not about protecting Karl Rove. Keeping Rove out of hearings is about keeping this scheme covered up. I keep seeing Christy’s math map in my dreams. This is about protecting a scheme, one that they have worked on very systematically.
I just sent off this LTE to NYT:
There was plenty wrong, misleading and dumb in Brooks’ column today. But this very narrowly focused point is incontestable. There is no reason to secretly create a circumvention of the confirmation process unless you intended to appoint people who could not be confirmed. The only reason to insert the language secretly is because you know that you’ll lose the vote if you insert it openly. There’s no reason to appoint people who cannot be confirmed other than using the US Attorneys offices to practice political dirty tricks using the Justice system as your tool.
We need to convey this very simple, very narrow message to our elected officials. Christy’s map helps–I sent it to my congress person’s staffer (ran into her today getting coffee and confirmed receipt)–but there is no explanation for this action other than chicanery. We need retroactive confirmation hearings on the new appointees.
I’m sitting in an Apple Educational Leadership conference and someone just said, “It’s easier to change the course of history than it is to change “a” history course!” Drive on pups!
Echoes from what they did to Valerie and Joe . . .
Excuse me, but isn’t it the same people who are saying that “innocent Americans” shouldn’t be worried about having Hayden’s crew wiretap and and datamine all their information, while Mueller’s crew rifles through their bank accounts, does peak and sneak, and they all routinely lose that info, along with weapons, computers, access codes, etc. and then lie about what they are or are not doing, have and have not done, and oversight they are definitely NOT undertaking -
- isn’t it those people who are saying, United States Citizens (who now have NO PRIVACY RIGHTS WHATSOEVER [and yeah Christy - I do think Hayden is a political hack and an out and out disgrace to his uniform] if Bush’s puppeteers waggle a string, and who have become irrevocably tainted with torture by this DOJ and this Administration and who have now, because of other political hacks like Comey, lost even any right to be tried with evidence for crimes instead of disappeared into military torture that DOJ holds press confs to lie about -
- isn’t it THOSE people who are saying, “ooooo, scarey, someone might ask me to answer a question and those peons, that DOJ has pissed on, lied to, spied on, and fought to destroy the Constittional rights of, those peons might actually get to hear my answer?
I swear I don’t understand all the political weathervaning of who gets to be the hero or the schmuck of the piece at any given moment.
I don’t do heroes much, and schmuck sticks longer than just until the next story.
One way that Congress isn’t pulling its weight here is the gentleman’s agreement that there will be no serious inquiry into ethical violations. Isn’t it about time that this was dropped, and we let the chips fall where they may?
Apparently in the NEW America, only the President has the right to privacy.
All charging documents are political in that they reflect political choices. To make it appear that Karl Rove does anything different than any other Administration including Janet Reno is absurd.
Speaking of Big Tobacco . . . I have a (rhetorical) question: have any of the CEO’s who lied to Congress under oath spent a single day in prison?
BTW, the Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing is available on C-Span radio…
conniptionfit @ 45
With a little condensing, that would make a good bumper sticker.
Lawyer question – Can anyone outside DoJ empanel a Grand Jury?
Keep rocking on Christy, another amazing post!
Peterr @
24
Bummer. Can Marcy get a nom for “Anatomy of Deceit”?
These outrages are all of a piece. And we need to tell the stories in ways that even children can understand. The muse does not always fit the thread but nonetheless:
Once there was a neighborhood, where the children decided to have a club. One child had a rich daddy and that child’s daddy wanted his kid to have more than other kids. His kid already had a lot of toys, but daddy wanted his kid to be important. So the daddy gave candy to all the kids and told them his little boy should be head of the club. And the other children went along. They held an election and the spoiled little boy got to be head of the club.
But the daddy still was not satisfied. His little boy wasn’t important enough yet. He gave more candy to the kids and suggested they should all get together and write up some rules for the club. He even gave his spoiled son some ideas for rules. And the other children went along. Pretty soon they had rules so the spoiled kid could make up any rules he wanted and be the only one to keep all the candy.
The spoiled kid said he needed to spy to make sure no one else was eating too much candy. And pretty soon he started telling everyone that one kid had his own store of candy, a big one. He got all the kids together to go over there and beat that kid up, even though no one checked to see if the candy was really there! And the other children went along. And pretty soon they began to be afraid that maybe somebody would come and beat them up too.
But the daddy still wasn’t satisfied. He wanted his kid to be even more important. But that’s when the other grown-ups got really, really mad – and decided to protect their kids.
Because the rich kid’s candy was even making the other kids sick now. And nobody knew why….
(This part of the story is still happening… so we’ll have to wait to see how it turns out)
Mary4 @ 43
I knew I’d heard all this before somewhere . . .
;)
(And if you missed TRex’s snark last night, please go back and check out the Late Nite post on a Democratic Unitary Executive.)
Linda @ 30 -
and an interesting column – Fitz, Rove, and some influential Illinois Republicans
Chicago Tribune
woohoo. snark from leahy to specter – “you mean the president would deliberately mislead us?”
senate judiciary committee meeting via CNN pipeline
I really have nothing to add to this fascinating discussion but wonder if hearings and investigations will begin moving at the speed of light.
Great typo! Almost says “beast machinations and maneuvers.”
And is it its hat that this stuff is being pulled from?
What is the statute of limitations on obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and the other felonies these people are committing? The vast majority of the middle management in this criminal enterprise feel safe because of the vast scale of the criminal activity. It may be after ‘08 but they all need to be afraid that they will end up in Federal prison. Watergate and Iran-Contra should be enough of a lesson of what happens when the crimes are blow off.
George bush hates government!
He wants to usurp the judicial branch as much as he has usurped the legislative branch. Isn’t it appropriate that a president who holds his title only through the perversion of the legal system, would attempt to further pervert the system? The man hates lawyers, but is happy to use them to undermind the legal system. To me, that is the epitome of working within the system. I don’t give Bush credit for the strategy, but if one wanted to de-legitimeze the judicial branch in the mind of the public you simply demonstrate (what the lay man already fears)that decisions are made not based upon legal authority but upon politics of your judges and your prosecutors. The entire branch loses respectibility and credibility.
“Sunshine is the greatest disinfectant” Leahy – gotta love him.
Hatch acting as if Leahy is keeping the truth from coming out because he won’t agree to the WH terms.
It’s a starting point at least.
Senate Committee likely to authorize subpoenas for White House officials
RAW STORY
Published: Thursday March 22, 2007
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The Senate’s Judiciary Committee this morning will vote to authorize the issuing of subpoenas for White House officials linked to the firing of United States Attorneys. The move followed on a similar authorization given to the House Judiciary Committee yesterday.
Senator Patrick Leahy, who chairs the Senate committee, said that in spite of the White House’s statements, he would go forward with the subpoena process if required.
snip
But Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid released a fact sheet claiming that the call for accountability wasn’t partisan.
“Concern over this latest abuse of power by the Bush Administration transcends partisan politics. The fired U.S. Attorneys checked their politics at the door when they became federal prosecutors,” his office said. “Now, the only way the American people will ever learn the facts is if the White House listens to the bipartisan calls for officials to appear before Congress – out in the open – and explain what happened.”
The fact sheet included statements from eight Republican Senators who have sought accountability of some form.
snip
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0322.html
Once again Mary4, I applaud the perspicacity of your framing these issues. One can only hope that some Republicans in the Senate will begin to wake up and get it.
LibertyLee at 46 — And I suppose that makes it okay, then? No, it does not. Of course politics comes into play in some level in every decisions. US attorneys are, after all political appointees. My quibble is with the fact that political considerations have become the PRIMARY concern — not rule of law, not evidentiary issues, not questions of justice — but POLITICS as THE primary factor in charging decisions.
That is unconscionable, and it is a perversion of the system, no matter who you are and what party you support. Period. And people on both sides of the aisle who have worked as prosecutors understand that. Take a peek at former GOP Rep. Bob Barr’s discussion of the issue from yesterday and see what I mean. Some politics is always going to be in play — that is reality. But politics should not be the primary factor under consideration. Ever. Period.
And no amount of hopping up and down and invoking the name “Janet Reno” makes this okay. It simply is not proper. And even the Clinton Administration did not take things to this level of political extreme — they just didn’t, and I have that from current and former USAs and AUSAs on both sides of the aisle. Law enforcement folks on all sides of the political spectrum are very, very pissed about this — and it has been building for months, not just the few weeks that it has been simmering on the blogs. There is more, much more, and it will all be coming out over the next few weeks.
Thanks Christy. Between your post and my coffee, my blood is pumping (mad, that is!). Even though I’ve always thought this administration would do whatever they thought they could get away with, I’m consistently amazed at how much that actually is!
Rayne @ 33
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the confirmation process is an important check. But you will recall that there was an institutional crisis over confirming judges. They got some through who would have been filibustered.
Rayne @ 33
Could some of those prize judges that were let through because of the Gang of 14 be people we need to dig even deeper into? We knew they were bad for various reasons, but could there be enough dirt on them to lead to impeaching them?
Just askin’
Frank Probst @ 51
Yes, in the “Letters” category – here’s their site. Click on Forms, then look for the “letters” guidelines. They are just winding up the 2006 awards, so it’s too early for Marcy’s book.
I’m only half way through the published comments about this, but I can’t stick around due to a Dr appt. But before I go, I have to say this. While I am very worried about the perversion of the Justice system as we know (knew) it, the thing I’m most worried about is their motives. I believe that they are trying to legalize political dirty tricks (of Repubs, of course) and corruption at the highest levels. This is a serious effort to pervert our elections. This is part of the plan to keep the Republic Party in power in perpetuity.
Looks as if the chess game begins.
White House moves to cover exposed king.
Congress threatens with white knight.
White House advances pawn to threaten knight.
We’re still in the early game here- but someone needs to be in the background trying to figure out if there is an endgame. I suspect not- they’ll play to a stalemate.
Christy @ 63
There’s feeding trolls and then there’s swatting trolls.
Nice swatting.
Peterr @ 36
Well, preferably with a lot of cable news coverage and many photographs of that pasty white slug being led away in a frog march prior to prosecution and imprisonment.
I’ve been waiting since late summer of 2003 for that frog to walk…
Rayne – if you’re still here, would you mind looking at my question #2 @7:37 above ? thx!
DiFi just introduced an email she sent Sampson that didn’t appear in the dump… if hers is missing, what else is missing?
Bustednuckles @ 61
they haven’t voted yet at the senate judiciary committee hearing – but we can tell that both Rs and Ds are taking this VERY seriously… because they are ALL there. i can’t remember seeing so many committee members present at one time during the whole of last year (when i started paying more close attention to the senate judiciary committee).
and their all speaking and arguing… difi is up now, here’s a bit from her i liked – it is clear we’ve been mislead from the very begining.
Peterr at 70 — Mr. ReddHedd and I were actually having the same sort of discussion last night. Apparently the Janet Reno canard was a Limbaugh and Hannity special one-two yesterday. And, for the record, I think any Justice Department that attempts to politicize prosecutions above and beyond evidentiary and rule of law and precedential determinations is wrong. I don’t care to what party they belong.
But, honestly, this goes far beyond anything the Clinton folks ever dreamed up. This is a wholesale attempt to game the system — executive, legislative and judiciary — all to win elections in perpetuity, in my opinion. And that is wrong on so many levels, I do not even know where to begin.
It’s a good job that Fred Hiatt doesn’t read his own paper, since he wouldn’t be able to come up with dreck like his ‘Congress is bad too!’ editorial today.
Here’s an interesting hypothetical: what if contempt-of-Congress resolutions got passed to the US Attorney for DC, and that USA was ‘resigned’ and replaced with someone who refused to prosecute?
Rayne at 33
Precisely. I hope to see more from EW, LHP, Christy and Jane on this subject. Yet another opportunity for them to break new journalistic ground!
You have to wonder how many similar issues there are for the dems to investigate- my guess is- HUNDREDS. They can keep this up till Clusterfuck boards Marine One I suspect. Will it do any good? Don’t know- that’s the question.
cbl @ 7:56 -
Thanks muchs for that ChiTri link; helps a lot to see the view on the local front.
With Ms. Eubanks coming forward in the Tobacco case, it appears that the wheels are really wobbling on the Bush Express.
I’ve been waiting for someone to get tired of the arrogance and criminality of the administration and say enough is enough.
Good for Ms. Eubanks. I expect that we will see more folks like Ms. Eubanks come forward and bring to light many more scandals as it’s apparent that this administration has conducted business in a criminal manner as a matter of fact.
I wonder if the tobacco case plantiffs can sue Gonzo personaly. I don’t think the law protecting government workers from lawsuits when doing their government jobs shields Gonzo from illegally acts like tanking his own case. Hey I’m a taxpayer Gonzo shorted me! Can I/we sue?
rwcole @ 69
The problem for the White House is that this is not a two person game. (To be clear: I’m saying “game” in the “game theory” sense, not as a way of downplaying the seriousness of all this.)
Sampson’s lawyer indicates he’s not going to roll over for Karl, Alberto, or Bush.
Eubanks isn’t going to roll over either.
The fired USAs aren’t rolling over nicely.
As had been said before, there are lots of angry people — from both sides of the political aisle — at the DOJ, DOD, and elsewhere, who are starting to speak up.
If it was just the WH vs Congress, that’d be one thing. This is the WH vs. everyone they stepped on while mangling the constitution. That, my friend, is a very different game.
Indeed, Christy.
As a former United States Attorney for the District of Rhode Island put it Monday:
So said Sheldon Whitehouse, a very welcome addition to the United States Senate from Rhode Island. Thank you, Senator Whitehouse – you are a splendid spokesman on this issue, and your way with words and obvious competence are a breath of fresh air in the Senate.
http://thomas.loc.gov/r110/r110.html
Has American Bar Association weighed in on this issue?
Christy @ 8:02 -
There is more, much more, and it will all be coming out over the next few weeks.
From your blog to God’s ear.
awesome post, Christy
I’m not good at putting words to my outrage, but you are. Thank you.
let’s see… shrubya’s little clan has pissed off the CIA, the military and now the USA’s…
I’m not sure how they expect to survive that…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 75
Agreed.
And as for “wrong on so many levels,” I’d say you’ve found a good place to begin here at FDL.
Christy Hardin Smith @
76
I just wanna add that they have to do this because they can’t win honest elections in this country.
Leahy calling for the vote
Coburn is talking now in the committee meeting. Why does he always sound so incredibly stupid? He is trying to make the argument that the American people don’t have confidence in Congress because of politics. Ugh.
barbara @
28
Caveat: Innocent people have every right to be afraid and concerned for their rights when process is abused and they are put on the stand by politically motivated prosecutors who owe their allegiance to a political ideology rather than the rule of law.
We saw that with Ken Starr and now we have irrefutable evidence that Bush/Gonzales et al. are attempting to institutionalize the politicalization of our judiciary.
Innocent people can be fearful of being forced on the stand and falsely accused or otherwise violated due to a malicious abuse of process. In fact it is obvious that this criminal enterprise of a presidential administration is seeking both to abuse criminal process against its opponents as well offer prosecutorial passes for its coconspiring criminal allies. It’s been happening for six years and only now coming to light as they attempted to go turbo after the Patriot Act scam and Nov ‘06 elections.
Rove and the other criminals MUST testify under oath, and Congress has an obligation to force them. The issue is not whether politics played a role or whether a criminal conspiracy was condoned by the White House. The issue is the EXTENT to which politics played a role in subverting justice, maliciously abusing process and conspiring to protect GOP criminal allies.
At the same time, please do not forget that sub-humans such as Dan Burton and Joseph McCarthy were all too comfortable with the “innocent people have nothing to fear” line of attack as they viciously attacked innocent people.
slainte,
cl
amy @ 89
I think he sounds stupid because he’s a fucking moron
is that Coburn making an analogy between this and Ana Nicole Smith?
fer gawd’s sakes!
oldcoastie @ 74
The kitchen sink? Besides a lot of probably-incriminating and definitely embarrassing e-mails?
Peterr @
82
I continue to be surprised that they didn’t wrap up the USAs they were firing–new jobs at higher pay, think tank slots. It could be that threats from Karl were thought to be sufficient. And, of course, that Josh or someone like him wouldn’t notice a pattern of dismissals. Thinking aloud, if they had just left Lam alone, they might have gotten away with it.
GO Teddy!
LibertyLee @46… your snot balls may bounce better somewhere else. Just sayin.
OldCoastie @ 74
Source, plez? Drip, drip………….. *g*
Kennedy introducing tobacco case.
looseheadprop @
19
Umm. Looseheadprop’s gettin’ excited.
did anyone mention the Black case in Guam yet?
And while I’m at it, do you suppose Ken Lay really died?
Peterr
I guess the game is “gotcha” played at the highest levels and the stakes are huge- political control of the country. If dems take proper advantage of their position, they move increase their chances of the ultimate takeover- if goopers cover well- dems come up empty handed. The stakes are enormous- neither side will win a decisive victory in with this round alone- but there are lots more rounds to come in the next year and a half.
HotFlash @ 103
no
Angry Black Bitch takes down Bush’s press conference attitude with a little of her own:
But ABB doesn’t leave it there. She ties in to the local Missouri angle of the USA mess – Bud Cummins investigating the Gov of MO – son of Congressman Roy Blunt.
Money line: “Now, I’m not saying anyone did anything criminal…but when you see flies that size you’re usually near some shit.” Check out the whole post — links embedded there.
Coverup. Impeach.
Christy, terrific piece…sure to be linked and picked up in the blogosphere, so:
“Topy cop” reporting:
“beest machinations” sh be “best”
“beleives wholeheartedly” sh be “believes”
“either side fo the aisle” sh be “of”
Go Teddy! just brought up interference in Civil Rights division and minority vote suppression
wmc418@7
“innocent people have no fear testifying under oath and in public”
This is simplistic, black/white thinking that is so transparently incorrect that even a sympathetic listener recoils.
The truth is there actually are organizational and security concerns we expect to be respected. It isn’t a matter of guilt or innocence. It’s a matter of the integrity of roles and offices in a democratic society.
That does not excuse or defend the current abuse of the concept to cover clearly criminal activities, but providing this kind of easily disputed argument does nothing to correct those abuses.
cbl @ 73
Good gravy. Re-reading that just sent a shiver down my spine.
I don’t know that I’ll get to that, cbl, still investigating the Chiara dismissal, but my gut tells me “Of course, it’s part of this pattern.”
This is SO BIG that we are no longer talking about RICO. We are talking about a group of people who have engaged in utter subversion of the Constitution across the entire country. At what point is this not treason?
Can we find out exactly *why* those USA’s wouldn’t have been confirmed through the legal route?
From WaPo
This is one of the things I find so infuriating about the Republican Party. It’s not just that they sell out the American people — bad as that is — but that they do it so fucking *cheaply*.
Big Tobacco was responsible for about $100 million in donations to Republicans. And for that $100 Million, they get back more than $100 *Billion* in reduced penalties.
What does that tell us about the Republicans? That to them, a dollar of the American people’s money is worth 1/10 of a cent in the Republicans campaign coffers.
Disgusting.
senator kennedy and christy are on the same wave-length! he’s now discussing this morning’s wapo article on tabacco case political interference.
and now voting rights suppression of african-americans!
he says it’s about time this committee had oversight – and not just be a rubber stamp.
go teddy!
Specter’s position on the subpoena issue today.
“If we don’t like what we get, we can always issue a subpoena,” he said. “Why not take what we can get?”
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0322.html
This is the recurring pattern of Specter’s behavior; talk tough one day back off the next day. I wonder if the WH has a “political commissar” on Specter’s staff who acts a a minder and tells Arlin what to say after he gets off message.
where are you all watching the hearing?
OT- Update from the Toronto Globe & Mail on the Conrad Black trial:
Black’s Lawyer Set to Grill Key Witness
Peterr at 82
Yes, the Bush administration has pissed off a lot of people, and it is now at a particularly weak and vulnerable moment.
Once it becomes clear that a multi-agency pile-on is underway, you may see the a sudden and exponential increase in the number of parties coming forward with charges of wrongdoing against the administration – some will be done via leaks (as Schumer suggested/requested on Countdown last night) while others will be public (as with the tobacco litigation charges).
And let’s not forget the career professionals at the CIA. I wouldn’t want to be on their bad side, and it appears that the Bush administration is…
arguing now over voice vote or roll call vote.
HotFlash @ 104
oh please. the guy’s enjoying his new life as a surf shack operator in the maldives.
RevDeb @ 116
CNN – i’m watching online via pipeline, since i don’t have cable
RevDeb @ 114
cspan radio
http://www.cspan.org/watch/ind…..iveDays=30
HotFlash @ 104
They’d have had to buy off the EMTs, the hospital’s emergency room, the coroner, Lay’s lawyers, and Mrs Lay. Possible, but stretching it a bit for Kenny. Once he was convicted, he was off Shrub’s radar as ‘no longer useful’. (Unless he was the former owner of a ranch in Paraguay?)
The fact that the White House is struggling so hard to cover this stupidity makes one suspicious that there’s more there- like an obstruction case at the highest level. One wonders why they didn’t just say- “yeah we fired em cause we didn’t like their judgement on which cases to prosecute and which ones to let go”.
Schumer just made Heehaw Sessions look like a very, very silly man.
jayackroyd @ 66
Here’s a question: was there any legislation passed that permitted the appointment of “temporary” judges, similar to the amendment added to the Patriot Act that permitted appointments of USA’s?
The confirmation hearing process would be completely out of the picture.
Rayne @ 72
EXTRADITION!
There have been plenty of conspiratorial acts violating the sovereignty of other countries and their citizens (kidnapping, torture, renditions,).
My hope is that the next Administration/DOJ plays our extradition treaties, relative to intentional criminal behavoir aimed at foreign nationals, by-the-book.
slainte,
cl
jayackroyd @ 95
I think it was the “we removed them for incompetence” that pushed the USAs over the line. They might — might — have been content to roll over into whatever new job they had, but when their own competence was publicly called into question . . . not so much.
Reminds me of an old Bill Cosby comedy routine. “Every time the Lone Ranger says ‘Tonto, you go to town . . .’ he ends up getting beaten up and shot at by the bad guys, while the Lone Ranger sits safe behind the rocks. Just once,” says Cosby, “I’d love to hear this: ‘Tonto, you go to town.’ ‘Kemo Sabe, you go to hell.’”
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 1
Gittar Playing Bastard –
My Granddad, and my Dad had an expression, used out on the bald ass praries of West Texas, that circles the Bushit’empire. “Theyre like a coyotee caught in a trap. they’ve chewed off threee legs and they’re still caught in the trap.”
rwcole @ 125
They didn’t expect to be found out until 2009. They were gambling on Unka Karl’s ‘math’ to do the job, but that didn’t work out. And they’d have gotten away with it, had it been left to Jay Carney and his cocktail weenie buddies.
Wil @
123
Thanks. Got the radio feed.
is that Sessions getting all huffy with Leahy?
Michael O’Neill @ 110
Perhaps you should go tell it to admin. officials who kept saying the exact same thing when excusing and defending warrantless wiretapping, eg spying on American citizens. OTOH. what Congress is trying to do is perfectly legal, acceptable, and warranted. What is Rove afraid of, hmm?
The thing about repukes (thanks Mean Jean…the gift that keeps on giving!) when they belch the “But Janet Reno this!” and “Bill Clinton that!” is that they’re proving our cases for us. When met with this, all ya gotta say is, “So you agree with us then, right? Obstructing justice and manipulating our Constitutional system is a bad thing, so let’s get these criminals before they can cause any more damage to our Republic!!!Wanna go call some some Congresspeople with me?”
See, it’s a chance to come together and put Country before Party. It seems like most liberal pundits (are there any?), or friends when met with the Clinton bashing get lost in reponding to all the repuke attacks and talking points. This is precisely why they do this. You end up not talking about the crisis at hand. Bright shiny object, eh? It’s really quite simple if you just keep on point.
(yes I know…most are complete robots and will probably say something like, “But Howard Dean screamed really LOUD….once…..a long time ago….” One can dream, can’t they?)
Granddad Delbert @ 129
707!
Priceless!
jayackroyd @ 97
“I continue to be surprised that they didn’t wrap up the USAs they were firing–new jobs at higher pay, think tank slots. It could be that threats from Karl were thought to be sufficient. And, of course, that Josh or someone like him wouldn’t notice a pattern of dismissals. Thinking aloud, if they had just left Lam alone, they might have gotten away with it.”
Two USA’s in LA who where working with Lam and were looking hard at Jerry Lewis, quit and took jobs at a LA law firm for >$1 million/year. Oh, the same law firm represents Congressman Lewis.
In Public
On The Record
Under Oath
no exceptions
“I want to make sure that justice in America doesn’t serve” at the pleasure of the President” Schumer – you go boy
Jon Stewart is on fire.
Twisted Martini @
26
Oh come on. You KNOW he doesn’t read! But maybe someone translates it into a puppet show for him.
Wil @ 140
i think that was leahy (and yeah – it was great!)
jayackroyd @ 97
I think Rove genuinely f*cked up his math with the elections. I think he really thought they would pull some out of the fire.
And they had to scramble to knock off folks; they couldn’t do all of them, having already visited that idea, but Rover needed to take care of some problems that likely led directly to the White House. Lam’s investigations being one of them, Abramoff-related stuff being another.
I want to know why such a concerted effort to make sure that straight-shooting U.S. Attorneys with Native American constituencies didn’t get another chance to meet with Native American leaders and tribal law enforcement groups, even at the risk of having vacancies in USA slots for some time or not having wingnut welfare in place for the affected USA’s.
Rayne @
33
Ladies, gents. FDL is wonderful for the places it touches. There are thousands of us and our eyes and ears are *everywhere*. Problem is, we turn over rocks and bring our breathless bits of info (ok, I do anyway) and drop it at the Lake, like proper retreivers. But then we can ‘t find it again unless it gets into a threaded post, and often even then it’s hard to tie stuff together.
I propose that we avail ourselves of the wiki that Mash started at Cujo359’s request, Gonzopedia. It was originally to organize the DOJ doc dump but there is a space for ‘related scandals’ and if you know how to wiki we could set this up so that when we find these things they don’t just disappear. We will need to build this brick by brick. A wiki will serve as our long-term memory and will allow us to connect secondary insights and see patterns that we will otherwise miss. And we don’t have much time, I calculate Nov 2008 max, and we have to bring down the Bushies *and* fix the voting system before then.
Now, I have never wiki’d but lots of folks do it, how hard can it be? It comes with instructions, apparently.
PS if you lose it, it turns up if you google Gonzopedia. If it gets useful, maybe a link on a sidebar would be in order.
OldCoastie @ 103
Yup. This is what I mean, we need to document what rocks we turned over and what we found. Gonzopedia.
one of the conditions mentioned last night on Newshour by an attorney is that Rove and Miers, under shrubya’s offer, also would only be allowed to visit the committee ONE TIME…
haven’t heard that anywhere else.
I’ve been wondering when the indictments were coming as a result of Abramoff’s tell all. Is there anything left in this country that bushco hasn’t left totally FUBAR?
http://www.spiegel.de/internat…..37,00.html
But according to recent findings brought to light by American journalist Matthew Cole, writing in the March issue of GQ, it’s not just the agents involved in the abduction who need to be protected. Those truly responsible are to be found in the higher echelons of the US administration, according to Cole, who claims that current US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice personally approved the operation when she served as President George W. Bush’s National Security Advisor. She apparently OKed Abu Omar’s abduction and then, according to Cole’s report, “fretted” during her meeting with the CIA over how she would inform Bush about the operation.
My bold.
Pehaps it is as we suspect, Shrub is just a figurehead – the real power lies somewhere else.
A simple argument:
Since:
1) Bush “didn’t know” about the forced resignations, and
2) Only Bush is authorized to fire the USA’s, then
3) the firings were illegal and must be rescinded
furthermore:
4) if Bush now wants to fire them, he can, but,
5) any new replacements must be approved by Congress
barbara @
28
Just changed my email signature. Done and done.
Innocent people are not afraid to testify under oath and in public.
Fuck BrownBack, and Fuck waiting a couple weeks for the subpoenas
schumer – what is the justification for no transcript?
[me - to facilitate lying]
leahy – in my experience when there’s no transcript i’ve been given incomplete and misleading information
59 skilly says:
March 22nd, 2007 at 7:59 am
George Bush…The man hates lawyers….
For some reason, those words make me happy. What’s that saying to the effect that a man can be judged by the quality of his enemies?
Wil @ 153
He wants the time for the shredding trucks to do their business
i recently visited family in Aspen, Co. one of whom is a cop . . . he assures me ken lay is dead. claims to have seen the bloated corpse …
FWIW . . .
PASSED!
The Ayes have it.
subpeonas are authorized.
Just dropping by to say I will be away from the ‘pewter (as my three year old nephew calls it) for a few days. Feel free to trash ghostwriters in my absence. Oh, and please solve all these problems with DOJ and Boy King. Thanks
subpoenas are authorized! Grassley wanted it on the record that he said yes.
Grassley emphasises he’s an ‘aye’ for authorising subpoenas. Which presumably means the other GOPpers were noes.
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Miss Piggy Rover should be nervous as hell NOW…
OldCoastie @ 148.. One time only was part of the “offer” no follow up questions or subpoenas.
Edwards to announce that he will withdraw from presidential campaign due to wife’s health (MSNBC)
radio’s lagging?
rwcole @ 164
oh NO! that’s not good…
Interesting…after voice vote Grassley (R) asked that the record show that he voted yes to authroize subpoenas.
Gnome de Plume @ 160
hurry back
MICROSOFT is a big corporation, no?…just sayin’
Karl was busy with Folygate, too. Anyone think it strange how fast he resigned? And there was a connection with Kyle, and the UAS’s connect to Kyle, so maybe Foley had to jump to keep Kyle out of the spotlight. Wasn’t there an investigation of that? Oh, yeah, I remember…
*waves to Waccamaw*
How’s the weather up there?
i heart jane @ 157
Same guy for sure? Sorry, watching too much CSI.
I thought Leahy was very powerful…..If you get a chance call his office and give him props…..Thanks
OldCoastie @ 167
d@mn!
from PowPow at 84:
Intimidation by purge is a tactic far better suited for a Soviet ministry of justice than for the U.S. Department of Justice, citing Whitehouse.
Indeed. No wonder Bushie saw a kindred spirit when he looked in Pooty-Poot’s eyes.
rwcole @ 166
so sad.
;(
rwcole @ 166
DAMN, on every level.
Elliott @ 166
apparently I’m lagging
angie @ 158
grassley (r-iowa) voted yes.
appause from the spectators… and from me too! yeah!
Steve @ 116
Specter went to Fredo’s office to get talking points for the repukes before the hearing. Why would anyone take anything the man says seriously? The republicans allowed the bush administration to subvert the constitution at every turn for the past 6 years. Something tells me with everything we know, it’s just the tip of the iceberg.
OT..Is Sen Grassley really as stupid as he appears to be? He is an enigma to me.
Ken Lay’s “death” was so convenient, and impeccably timed. He’s probably kicking back in a lawn chair by the pool with a pitcher of Margueritas, on an estate next to a secluded ranch in Paraguay.
OldCoastie @
88
They have enlisted George P. in the Naval Reserves training as an intelligence officer. Grooming the next generation.
Christy Hardin Smith @
64
Oh, goody! So we caught another “But Clinton did it toooooo!” moral relativist, eh?
Hey, LibertyLee: EVEN KYLE SAMPSON stated that Clinton did NOT do it too. Read it and weep, from his own January 9, 2006 e-mail:
Any guesses as to how this all ends? My guess:
White House goes to court to block—time passes—compromise is reached- Rove will testify but he will wear a Clinton mask and the hearings will not be on teevee.
Hearings take place in late July and results come out in August when no one gives a shit and everyone’s on vacation.
rwcole @ 166
Please don’t less this be true.
Gore/Edwards in 2008
Wil @ 153
Nothing is stopping the White House from telling the truth voluntarily. The subpoenas can always be withdrawn if that happens. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Typical f’ing GOP red herring.
cl
Ahhrrr…I am so sad about Edwards…I hope Elizabeth isn’t that bad….I really love both of them..
FDLopedia is a great idea – thanks Hotflash!
Elliott @ 173
thesite just says suspend
I love that argument the GOP MSM talking heads always use when there in trouble, ” the this issue only matters to Washington/the blogs/pundits in the heartland “fatherland”" of MYTH. Supposedly nobody cares about what ever issue is troubling the republicans today. Yet somehow they are at a loss to explain bush’s poll numbers. They try and blame the WAR (which explains me), but to be honest the fact that we the World’s Greatest Military Power in History HAVE NOT WON YET! Makes the average person question bush’s judgment, ALL OF HIS JUDGEMENTS after all if you screw up the biggest most important part of a job, nobody is surprised if you screwed up the rest of the job. It’s not that nobody cares its that people are resigned to the idea bush is a failure. They are not outraged because the failure doesn’t touch the majority of them personally. So if we impeach the Chimp we need to link bush personally to specific failures. Like at a trial the Chimp can not be allowed to resign! He must be found guilty!
Mandrake @ 172
Back at’cha. Absolutely beautiful………sigh……..another day glued to the Lake when the yard is screaming, “You don’t love *me* anymore!”
The Edwards press conference isn’t for another twenty minutes yet, gang. Hang on.
It is nice to see the Dems growing some big ones……
“suspend” is appropriate… I hate to seem him withdraw completely – that would be a great big shame.
Christy Hardin Smith at 64; Allen Drury in Advise and Consent noted that it all depends on whose ox is getting gored. One side of the fence wants to exact punitive damages against tobacco companies that would exceed the number of asteroids in the solar system; the other wants tobacco to be legal because people want to be free to smoke AND because states continue to earn revenue from taxation which won’t exist if tobacco companies go out of business. You do not believe that the Reno excesses were extreme because you basically agree with her policy choices. On the other side, Karl Rove and I do not agree with your choices. So naturally you think our“manipulations” are worse than yours. I see them as simply different choices.
Steve @ 115
Let’s not forget for one minute that ARLEN S. has been their disinformation front man since the Kennedy Assassination. More magic bullets anyone?
Right now, there should be a whole lot of defense attorneys, especially in the “Bushie” districts, preparing Motions for Discovery of Materials Related to Selective Prosecution.
Possibly because the administration knew that they could sabotage the case at a later time.
Or it was part of a shakedown of the tobacco industry to keep the contributions flowing into Republican coffers…especially as Big Tobacco was beginning to shift more contributions to Democrats (.pdf, pg. 2, 3rd bullet) in anticipation of the increased Democrat presence in Washington after the 2006 elections.
The tobacco industry demonstrated its loyalty to the Republican Party, and the Party demonstrated the benefits of being loyal.
cspan radio just quoted a statement from Edwards campaign, still saying “suspend” Bad news is that there is a reurrence, not sure how severe.
OldCoastie @ 195
yes
but even so, then that means Elizabeth is still fighting the beast.
HotFlash @ 147
I like HotFlash’s idea. The other day I was thinking I wish we had an organized area to search for info on FDL with all of the related scandals — links, etc. A repository that was easy to find the info so members here can find the data quickly and put it in their emails to MSM, in their blogs, in their letters to Congress and others.
We need a way to make it easy for members to be even more aggessive acitivists — this would help all memebers, but may be especially helpful for some of the “less-technical” people that need thier voice heard too. I work in the technology area, but I realize not everyone does.
I am not sure what form the repository/database should take, but I feel that it would be most useful to the FDL community. Anyone else’s thoughts on this??
Peterr @ 130
They went over the line, which to my mind calls into question the capacity of McNulty, who delivered to the Senate Judiciary Committee testimony that first called publicly into question the performance of the Gonzales 8. This is simply not done by lawyers, about other lawyers; it’s defamatory and hurts the USA’s as lawyers in their future ability to make a living. McNulty did more than lie to the Committee — he broke professional code of ethics.
Sure, we’ve seen a lot of ethical codes broken over the last six years, but we are now talking about Republican lawyers being damaged in the legal sense of the word by their own kind.
Somebody’s going to pay. I just wish it hadn’t taken this long and pissing off lawyers to get the train rolling in the right direction.
I read somewhere today that obstruction of justice by Rove and maybe Bush is the big risk.
Yeah it does say “suspend”–sorry. At this stage though, he couldn’t “suspend” it very long without being out of the running. The movement of the NY and Calfornia primaries to an early position means that candidates will have to have 50 million or so in the bank by January to be in the running.
It is time for Specter to GO…..He is a disinformation BushBot, plain and simple…..I hope we can get someone to run against him…Anyone else notice how as the years go by he looks more and more like a chipmunk?
OldCoastie @ 196
That sounds more likely. I can’t see Elizabeth letting him pull out — she’s very much like our Jane in that way.
citizensue @ 197
let’s watch the donations to his 2010 Senate run, which he just happened to set up the other day.
Senate panel authorizes subpeonas for Karl Rove.
Rayne @ 200
Is saying that they were removed for performance reasons, when the evaluations say therwise perjury? And should McNulty be disbarred?
Phoenix Woman @ 209
Umm, is there a better way to phrase that?
Neil @ 210
Holy Balls Batman!
rwcole @ 206
Oh, he’ll be just fine. Remember, Kerry was flat broke as late as September of 2003 and still got the nomination because he was the last man standing; the other candidates largely burned through their cash in Iowa and crashed and burned.
Elliott @ 210
PA it’s time to loose the albatross from your collective neck!
Franco @ 208
Indubitably.
Also in the legal news:
U.S. Judge Blocks 1998 Online Porn Law
By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press Writer
6:39 AM PDT, March 22, 2007
PHILADELPHIA — A federal judge on Thursday dealt another blow to government efforts to control Internet pornography, striking down a 1998 U.S. law that makes it a crime for commercial Web site operators to let children access “harmful” material.
In the ruling, the judge said parents can protect their children through software filters and other less restrictive means that do not limit the rights of others to free speech.
“Perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection,” wrote Senior U.S. District Judge Lowell Reed Jr., who presided over a four-week trial last fall.
Elliott @ 176
Triple damn! Although I wasn’t ready to pick a candidate, Edwards was my favorite of those currently in the pack. And of course, I am so sorry to hear this about his wife’s health.
On the one hand, Specter is from a blue state- so he has to appear to be sane, on the other hand, he’s the ranking member of a committee- so he’s gotta carry the party water.
Sounds like a contradictory job description- but a rat can actually be trained to do it.
P J Evans @ 218
Blessed are the reasonable with foresight!
It’s not enough just to replace USA’s but they have to severely punish them. Gee whose footprints are those? Give them some plastic frogs already.
Rayne @ 205
The thin black line.
Neil @ 210
You’re not in Kansas anymore, Toto. Welcome to Accountabilityville.
just emailed DiFi with a reminder about Black and Abramoff.
JeffinBerlin @ 188
My dream ticket, too – I hope it’s not true.
Phoenix Woman @ 209
Well, perhaps her situation is not as dire as we are imagining? Perhaps, I hope anyways, it’s just that she will be unable to travel with him and such b/c of treatments?
dalloway @ 32
More like imprisoned.
Ugh.. Politico.com is reporting that Edwards isgoing to suspend his campaign due to Elizabeths health. You should (n’t) see all these hypcritical, pious bastards, smarming on about how SHE’s in their prayers, but they would never vote for Edwards, and he’s probably making the whole thing up for a publicity stunt anyway. Ick. Sometimes my fellow citizens really disappoint and disgust me.
Just a reminder that the Jan. 6, 2005 email Blumenthal cites occurs just 3 days before the Alito confirmation hearings.
Alito was nominated Oct. 31, 2005 (Halloween, how appropriate). His hearings began Jan. 9, 2006 and he was confirmed Jan. 31, 2006.
Roberts was nominated July 9, 2005 for Justice, September 5 for Chief Justice, and was confirmed September 29, 2005.
It wasn’t just stacking the US attorney offices that was on Karl’s mind in this time period but the judiciary as well.
The wiki is a great idea, hotflash. I’ve already suggested it over to the muckrakers. Do we have a wiki expert?
And there is a functioning wiki over at DKos.
Material on the USAs would be appropriate.
Redd
Can you outline the probable sequnence of events if the White House refuses to honor the subpoenas on the grounds of executive privelege? Who goes to court first? How long (with expected appeals) will the court cases take? Who will choose the venue? etc.?
Do you suspect that there will be a compromise in the end?
conniptionfit @ 227
Beneath contempt
Great editorial cartoon from the Salt Lake Tribune today.
wil at 212
Even though the administration has tacitly admitted that they were removed, I’m sure they have letters of resignation.
Hugh @ 228
and that’s not just Karl’s goal, the conservatives have been working towards this since the Goldwater defeat in 1964!
Peterr @ 24
Somehow, I don’t think old Joseph Pulitzer would approve of that, because if he had lived a century later, Joe would have loved the muckraking, scandal-pursuing blogs.
That’s a damned shame, of course; FDL has totally whupped the collective asses offen the deadtree media with its Libby trial coverage, and I gah-rawn-TEE y’all that everyone on the Pulitzer Prize Committee is aware of that indisputable fact.
So for them NOT to change that antiquated rule in this age of seismically shifting media paradigms, and NOT to award the Pulitzer on the merits of political coverage would be, simply put, an act of bureaucratic cowardice.
Hey YOU, member of the Pulitzer Prize Comittee… you listening? SURE y’are. Credit where it’s due, please!!
rwcole @ 166
If they can make a good circumstantial case that Rove’s order to dismiss Lam was motivated by his desire to protect Dusty Foggo from indictment, they can get Rove on Obstruction of Justice.
Is it true that in Farsi, “Tony Snow” translates to “Fariq Aziz?”
Or is that just another vicious blog rumor?
Christy, you picked the hot headline this morning, but is anyone surp[rised the tobacco managers have been one of the primary, and most insidious, influences in politics since the first evidence of a link to cancer was discovered.
They have become as deeply involved in litigation legislation as they once were in agricultural legislation.
ANd they must surely be “above the law” and too important to go under oath to testify.
Is that what the term “above the law”means, someone who is so important they don’t have to testify under oath?
Christy! You go girl! I don’t think I’ve ever seen you so upset. Great post. Thanks.
rwcole @ 220
it started with a magic bullet theory. and soon the rat was able to jump through hoops while his little paws were chained to burning tires.
Edwards is a Man.
Now kids. Compare and contrast with Gingrich, whom I believe is running no. 3 in polls for the Repub. nomination.
how much you wanna bet the loonies start acting like Edwards is something less than a real man because he wants to take care of his wife?
Dems should raise holy hell about the administrations refusal to testify under oath–
“WHY would they refuse to swear that what they are saying is true- only a man who plans to lie would resist the oath!!!!” etc etc…set it to MUSIC!!!
Sorry if this was posted earlier, but this was quite entertaining. Is Harry Smith growing a spine? Crony Snowjob was quite testy. Is the verneer starting to crack? Yippee!
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0322.html
OldCoastie @ 242
Yea, real men get their wives to sign divorce papers in their hospital beds.
OldCoastie @ 244
That is completely obscene. Around 1:00 est?
rwcole @ 245
See my #234…
“The Oath- the Oath- Liars resist the Oath!!”
why can’t the Pulitzer Prize Committee institute an online award?
The entire printing industry is digitalized anyway.
We’re not exactly talking Gutenburg in action while thinking about newspapers.
Electric paper.
G’day, pups.
*
Excellent, Redd. Ties their lawlessness together with a blood-red colored bow.
To turn the pukes’ meme of “criminalizing politics” back at ‘em, what they’re doing is…
The Politicalization of Criminality!
Wil @ 244
or, if he is more concerned with caring for his family, how can he handle being prez?
it’s gonna be something stupid like that.
Quzi @ 202
here’s a couple of suggestions from a non-specialist:
a very simplified wiki site (much easier to use than a full blown wikimedia site) – wikispaces
more complicated, but more functions – editthis
both have free (or low cost options).
i’m curious what the specialists think….
Neil @ 239
Foggo was indicted 2 days before Lam left her job on February 15, 2007.
Fresh thread from emptywheel, up and running for everyone.
Paging Al Gore….
Shooo
Great!
Wil @ 248
noon
C-SPAN 3
Tony Snow lost it on air with a big sigh and eye rolling. Then his voice *slightly* cracked when confronted with his quotes from the Lewinsky ‘era’ dealing with Presidents hiding behind executive privilege.
He is so busted. There’s a paper trail of Snow quotes on executive privilege.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 249
Blogs are new, and up until recently they haven’t defined themselves as more then just opinions. Now that has changed, a campaign is needed to get the Pulitzer Committee to acknowledge it. They may be looking at the change internally, however sometime a little outside pressure helps move things along.
This appears it may have been the case with John McKay, the U.S. Attorney in Seattle. According to the AP, “Kyle Sampson . . . sent an e-mail on Aug. 8 to Robert Hoyt, associate counsel to President Bush, complaining that McKay was passed over” for a federal judgeship. It was little more than “a month later, on Sept. 13, that McKay’s name appeared on Sampson’s list of U.S. Attorneys ‘we should consider pushing out’ .”
cnn – edwards says politico.com report of him dropping out is incorrect
jayackroyd @ 230
I was suggesting just using the one Mash set up at Cujo’s request, it’s here and more or less available and not anyone else’ territory, if you know what I mean. I’d have already put something on it except I don’t (yet) know how to wiki. I do know webpages, but they take a lot of administration. But I’d love to have a repository for these little gems I find and they’d be there forother people to look at.
OTOH, maybe using the DKos wiki would take advantage of the security there — I confess, I rarely DKos although I am registered, because I can’t find a thing there unless somebody links to a specific article.
Raven @ 35
I believe anyone who works for the govt. at that high a level, regardless of whether he or she has been elected or appointed with the Senate’s consent, can be IMPEACHED. Same for judges (including Supreme Court judges). The Constitution provides for impeachment of “civil officers.” A Presidential Adviser can be impeached from his position. It has never happened, but there’s always a first time! This certainly qualifies as “high crimes.”
The momentum is going to build for the Impeachment
of this President. I do hope that after Fitzgerald finishes
his Chicago prosecution of Conrad Black that the House
of Representatives hire him to begin assembling Articles
of Impeachment and the process of documenting it all.
It is his destiny to redeem the honor of the U.S Prosecutor
and be a Leader in returning the Rule of Law to this country.
ugh! I’m already sick of the pundits pontificating on how John and Elizabeth should handle this…
Those NSA wiretaps and each and every one of us. We have seen over and over and over again that if this administration can, it very well will. In none of what I’ve read on the NSA wiretaps-gone-amuck has it been suggested that the DOJ has illegally listened in to conversations of their political opponents – John Conyers, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, Christy Hardin Smith, all FDL contributors …. Based on everything we know, doesn’t this seem more than possible? Yet another reason for the FBI to never have filed the appropriate letters to the courts. Is there anyway to find out all the American citizens that the NSA has illegally listened in on?
They went over the line, which to my mind calls into question the capacity of McNulty, who delivered to the Senate Judiciary Committee testimony that first called publicly into question the performance of the Gonzales 8. This is simply not done by lawyers, about other lawyers; it’s defamatory and hurts the USA’s as lawyers in their future ability to make a living.
Yes, I think you and Peterr are right. Putting a permanent stain on their careers–both as lawyers and as republican operatives–was over the line. But that gets me back to my original question. Why couldn’t they buy them off? Part of the answer, of course, may be that lawyers serving in a republican administration who pursue corrupt republicans may not be for sale. I wouldn’t want to be in the same room if someone tried to buy off Fitz, for example.
Also, as long as nobody connected the dots, bitching about being fired for incompetence would have fallen on deaf ears. One fired USA trying to get attention in Santa Fe wouldn’t have easily cleared Igleias’ name, but would have made sure more people knew about the accusation of incompetence.
Still this whole business reeks of desperation–and the amending of the patriot act indicates that they’ve had this plan in place for quite some time.
some media sources aren’t ready to make the statement yet about Edwards…
Still hoping there’s more to this than we are being told by speculators…
HotFlash @ 264
I was suggesting just using the one Mash set up at Cujo’s request, it’s here and more or less available and not anyone else’ territory, if you know what I mean. I’d have already put something on it except I don’t (yet) know how to wiki. I do know webpages, but they take a lot of administration. But I’d love to have a repository for these little gems I find and they’d be there forother people to look at.
OTOH, maybe using the DKos wiki would take advantage of the security there — I confess, I rarely DKos although I am registered, because I can’t find a thing there unless somebody links to a specific article.
learning to wiki is a good thing
Neil @ 238
I’ll bet Sharon Eubanks could make that case, she’s at CREW these days. And I’ll bet lhp wouldn’t mind ;) “We’ve got lawyers, and we’re not afraid to use them.”
citizensue @ 233
I wish the pious bastards all the heat of ten thousand hot suns.
Millineryman @ 261: true enough. the blogosphere is often seen as unreliable ‘home pages’ with goofball theories: the ancient egyptians had laser eye surgery man!!!
Blogs as citizen-journalism is/are probably something the Pulitzer committee hasn’t quite wrapped their heads around yet.
Harpodog @ 267
We’ll we know they’ve been tap-tap-tapping, and have you seen any indictments of terrorists? Nope, they prosecute them on forced confessions. So who are they listening to?
shooogarp @
243
Shoogarp,
With all the talk about subpoenas, I assumed you were talking about Gingrich’s first wife who also had cancer.
While the Republicans today are complaining about being served subpoenas commanding information, Gingrich served his first wife with a divorce petition while she was in the hospital being treated for cancer (from which she eventually died).
His other throw-away-wife was on a pedestal by comparison.
He gives evil bastards a bad name.
cl
OldCoastie @ 244
I make it a practice *never* to underestimate the quantity of slime these slugs are capable of producing.
tbsa @ 272
oh yes, and the bite of ten thousand fire ants :)
Elliott @ 276
C’mon guys, wait till they actually say it. You don’t want to peak too soon.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 260
Snowflake will be thrown under the bus with the rest of ‘em. YIPPEE!!!
Millineryman @ 261
Maybe we need our own annual blog award society, or is it “out there” already?
How about the Academy of Weblog Writers and Sites Managers, call it AWWSM”
AWESOME!
Just a lighthearted thought on a sad day.
Elliott @ 278
I’ll see you 10,000 hot suns and 10,000 fire ants and raise you 50,000 laser pointers aimed directly into the pupil.
HotFlash @ 278
oh, all right
Edwards was my pick in 04- but I was disappointed in the campaign he ran then. Don’t know who I’ll settle on this time around- but have my eye on Richardson.
kdh22 @ 280
Something tells me a few of those in the republic party are going to live to regret denying the Clinton administration executive priviledge.
I still think that “only liars refuse the oath” is good for about two weeks of gooper blood.
LibertyLee @ 198
Moral Equivalency does not excuse wrong action by either side. Yet who pays the cost of tobacco society as a whole does sick days cost business, hospitol,insurance, costs smoking in bed alone causes how many fires? The freedom to smoke stops when your freedom interferes with my freedom! Society has a legit complaint about the cost of Tobacco to society this cost must be addresed. We look at your freedom, my freedom and the cost/benefit/harm to society when making laws. Your party is the one all about making laws about how OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD LIVE BY YOUR RULES. Making people comform makes for an orderly society without dissent. We think dissent/asking questions AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS FORCES SOCIETY TO IMPROVE. Stratification conformity nothing changes preserves the current inbred, gentleman’s C’s political leadership. Change is disorderly and can lead to chaos Change is also oppertunity Managing Chaos is our job title. Fear of Chaos, fear itself
is what bush uses to justify forming a police state where nothing (especially the ruling class) will ever change!
“Something tells me a few of those in the republic party are going to live to regret denying the Clinton administration executive priviledge. “
They would regret if they were capable of shame- but they are not.
RevDeb @
179
If there were more people like John Edwards active in American politics, the country would be far better off. Instead of leaving her and running off with a trophy wife (See Republican playbook) he has stood by her and shown that his priorities are what it should be for a real man.
Godspeed to John and Elizabeth, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
rwcole@250; even truth tellers deny the oath as a leadup to a perjury trap.
conniptionfit @ 229
How much more spiteful, hateful and fish-wifey can they get before everyone just finally walks away in disgust and why hasn’t it happened by now?
Put a Republican in his shoes, and he’d immediately take on the role of victim and get lots of nice, tender strokes from the likes of Wolf Blitzer.
LibertyLee @ 290
If you are truthful, there is no such thing as a trap. The truth is the truth period! When bush was caught illegally wiretapping he told the country that if you were a law abiding citizen you had nothing to fear. If KKKarl is telling the truth, he has NOTHING to fear with the oath.
things come undone@287. Republicans, in general, are the pro-freedom party. Goldwater and Reagan became popular because of the libertarian wing of the party. Not all Republicans are consistent with the social conservatives. Having said that, I don’t believe in moral relativism. Political relativism, on the other hand, is a different thing because politics IS a contact sport. Society (and politics) is terribly conflicted over tobacco. States and the Federal Government(not to mention tobacco companies) make a lot of money from tobacco tax sales. I find it a little unusual that many here would legalize pot (as would I), but would attempt to put the tobacco industry out of business. The point is, it’s a policy choice. The Political people at the Justice Department had a right to exert their influence in a policy choice involving excessive punitive damanges. If they did, that is NOT a crime.
Yes but WW3 Newt the philanderer has apologized and repented and now he has seen the light. In comparison to ‘under indictment’ Tom Delay, Newts looking pretty good.
elizabeth edwards is a shinning light for ALL of humanity, regardless of political, religious, sexual, or national orientation. wherever john’s career leads, i am sure we will always be hearing from elizabeth & about what she learns on her path.
blessings elizabeth
tbsa@292: I suspect Bill Clinton would disagree with you about perjury traps. In a perfect world where memory was perfect and logs were always properly stored, you would not have to worry. But where there are imperfect memories you have to pay for lawyers to defend your honor. I suspect that given the Libby case (which Bush people believe reached an unjust result, regardless of what folks here believe), that the President wants to safeguard his people from the unexpected.
Guys! This is not a one line joke. Mr. Bush does NOT read; he is purportedly dyslexic. He can’t read; he distrusts reading and those who do it. He reads only body language.
Reports are given to him orally, with multiple choice options; answer “A” is always the “correct” one. Mr. Bush rationalizes that by saying it’s an efficient use of his time. He has no data base except his emotional fixations – taxes, “bad” people, family “loyalty”, ad nauseum.
Sadly, running the US Government IS rocket science. Clinton and his recent predecessors read hundreds of pages a day. Clinton (or Nixon or Carter) could digest a complex report, read collateral data supporting and refuting it, then argue with the report’s author within hours.
Mr. Bush rides a bicycle. His decisions are emotional because emotions are what he has to work with. Which is why, being easily goaded about his manhood [sic], he has needlessly thrown down the gauntlet over the US Attorney firings.
Like the Libby case, the tobacco case, etc., they undoubtedly lead to Karl and Karl leads to him. He will fight because he cannot cooperate or negotiate and his handlers seem to be in disarray. Get ready for a slug fest. Mr. Nixon never admitted he was wrong, but he was smart enough to know when he’d lost. Mr. Bush is not that smart.
How’s about we move a bit lower on the anatomy, there.
[Mod Note; have mercy on yr mods, please re-quote no more than twice, thanks]
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 251
why dont we just print out one DAY of Marcy’s liveblogging then?
mbbsdphil @ 296
He will fight because it was Karl’s “Option A.” Excellent point!
Okay, I’m confused. HuffPo just states that Edwards is NOT suspending his campaign.
Mandrake–
The reports of suspended campaign were premature — Edwards says they’re moving ahead, the campaign is on. They’re quite remarkable people.
New thread upstairs — several comments on the Edwards’ announcement.
Nola Sue @ 301
Thank you
“The Bush Administration made the decision to pervert the system of justice with their vile, political hackery. They can damn well stand up like adults and face the music for it.” Christy Hardin Smith, 3/22/07.
Isn’t the only appropriate music the Impeachment Sonata? How else can we ever hope to get to the bottom of this?
Sorry. 3/22/07.
[Fixed by mods]
pseudonymous in nc @ 77
During Teapot Dome, the DOJ would not enforce a COnffgressional Sunpoena, so the House Sargent at arms did
The question I keep thinking about is……Why does the President need to invoke executive privilege if there were no conversations with the President on this matter?
LibertyLee @
293
Tobacco like pot which I think should be legal does cost society. The tabacco companies unfortunatly lied for many years and avoided the costs the lawsuits are just societies way of figuring out/getting whats owed . However Pro Freedom Party?, freedom for corporations sure but dissent? Dario Fo (sp?) couldn’t visit America cause Regean was banning subversives, the Edwin Meese (sp?) pornography commission
I’m sure made the libertarines happy. Nope FEAR OF COMMIES and (for Regean ) FEAR OF THE ECONOMY, WELFARE MOMS, MINORITES scapegoats US vs THEM!
FEAR ITSELF is the appeal of Regean and Goldwater. Although Lyndon Johnson’s attack ad with the girl picking a flower followed by an Atom Bomb explosion turned fear BACK ONTO FEAR! Regean and bush are dull nice Christian types who use fear and the herd instinct to unite THEIR people when threatened. Why because only when we’re scared would we elect nice but dull.
I just read what loou dobbs had to write about this…what a maroon (cnn.com)
Christy, I wanted to comment on your statement that “the current WH line is that any public hearing is a ’show trial’”. One thing this administration knows is how to put on a good show. With them it’s always spin, always marketing their message, always show time with the press and the public.
And sadly, it’s high time we recognized that it is always showtime. For the last thirty years, maybe longer, there has been ongoing a never ending battle for the hearts and minds of the American public. If we as a people could learn our political lessons and move forward as a wiser body politic, we wouldn’t be in this mess in which we are re-experiencing, if not relearning, the sad lessons of Vietnam and Watergate. But here we are.
And if we look at this through an historic lens, we should realize there is only one issue that matters here. It has little to do with the US attorneys’ firings, per se. It is a much more fundamental issue. It is, simply put: Does the public have the right to know what it’s government is doing?
Of course we all know the answer to that is YES! That is the answer the public believes is correct and so defending that position should be to our advantage. The only reason that the public wouldn’t have a right to know is if there were national security issues at stake, which of course is not the case regarding the firing of the 8 US attorneys.
So that leaves the WH with the defense of “separation of powers” and “executive privilege”. I am a political science undergrad and an attorney with 25 years at the bar and I really don’t know what the hell executive privilege is, so I imagine that 99% of most Americans don’t know either.
I’ve heard the experts argue the concept. Some say it applies, some say it doesn’t and some say it depends on the circumstances. But in the end, it doesn’t matter whether executive privilege applies. What matters is who is winning the battle of public opinion.
In that battle it appears at least from what I read in the MSM that Bush has a defensible position. Yet I scratch my head in bewilderment because the refusal to testify before Congress seems so counter intuitive, so outlandishly contemptuous that no one would readily agree with it.
So I ask myself how is it then that this administration can stonewall so effectively with so nebulous a concept as executive privilege? It’s astounding!
One factor in Bush’s success is the right wing’s domination of the MSM. It’s as if Bush has the MSM in some kind of Jedi mind control where he utters executive privilege and the press repeats it ad nauseum. But the other side is our failure to counter the right’s message and mass marketing of that message.
We need to develop a message, talking points and marketing plan demanding full disclosure by the administration, including the testimony of Rove, et al. Then we need to bombard the MSM with that message and stay on message until we get what we want.
Bush will continue to stonewall until it becomes politically suicidal for hs administration not to honor the subpoenas. Even then Bush may decide to defy the public and take his chances with the courts. He may even win. But his victory will be a pyrrhic one.
If all we do is argue the legal and political angles of the current dispute we are totally missing the big picture. Leave it up to the courts and under the best of circumstances we won’t get an answer for several months and the answer we get may be unsatsfactory as well as untimely.
Make our case convincingly to the public and we win no matter how long the courts take or what they decide. In the end, Bush may win the legal battle, but he will lose the battle of public opinion and the fallout will be devastating.
I am no lawyer, though as a citizen I cherish the rule of law. I have wondered with amazement at the audacity of GOPers complaining about voter fraud (accusations that even one Republican appointed U.S. attorney did not find credible) when the reek of GOPer voter fraud and suppression has not been pursued with investigations or indictment. I don’t believe that the 2000 or the 2004 presidential elections produced believable results. IF congress were to pursue investigations of those two elections which brought Bush to office, and real concrete evidence was unearthed, could ALL presidential appointments be nullified?? on the legal premise that no one is allowed to profit from fraud?
barbara @
17
If I recall correctly even before the shift in the prosecution drive against big tobacco there was a similar shift in the big anti-trust case against Microsoft’s abusive monopoly. What had been a won case with even a judge’s suggestion for the break up of Microsoft was turned into a tap on the wrist (not even a slap) with the arrival of the Bush group to power. At the same time Gates’ Microsoft shifted from being a non-political entity into one of the largest donors to campaign and political coffers.
But even considering everything that has become and is becoming apparent about the possibility of criminal influence on justice in America by the Bush group, it’s beside the point – the real point.
As a blogger that I’ve forgotten accurately phrased the current US Attorney manipulations, they suggest “partisan” influence (Republicans against Democrats), not merely “political.” The selection of the “cops” of America has always been political. The sole ability of federal policing being the domain of the executive branch leaves that branch effectively free of any real policing itself – the classic “who polices the police?” We’re seeing and living that now as we march toward a “constitutional crisis.”
The conservative authoritarian Republicanism lived by the Bush group has consistently shown the fundamental flaws in the American system of government by driving a tank through them. Sure, go after these criminals and their criminal political partisan organization with full fury but recognize that having the chief policing agencies of a nation easily manipulated and influenced by political motivations is wrong. The police agencies should be independent of any branch of government and should themselves have required oversight and constant monitoring by each of the branches of government. J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI was an entity unto itself through the abuses of Hoover and his FBI, so independence from manipulation does not and should not mean independence from oversight and overrule as long as any overruling is public, demonstrably needed, and correct. A recent catch phrase has been “monopoly on violence,” meaning the power to use force to effect control. That’s what a nation’s police have (in absence of martial law). That power must be required to act in the interests of the nation and not the few – in the interests of justice and nothing else.
Bush has strongly demonstrated his understanding of the child’s phrase “you and what army?” That someone with a nature like Bush can abuse the “armies” of America is now a bluntly obvious fact representing a danger to the world and to America.
Although I am all for the subpoena of WH personnel, I am slightly queasy when it is repeated ad nauseum “those who have nothing to hide should have no fear of testifying under oath”. Surely there are people out there who remember Joseph McCarthy, and the notorious question “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist
Christy: You have nothing but my utmost respect and admiration for all of you at FDL and will continue to support you to the best of my ability. However, in my opinion, in your justified zeal you’ve apparently not done all of your homework regarding by not “connecting all the dots” to make your case in the terms of interference in the “big tobacco case” by the DOJ et al.
I quote: “[T]his one is enormous in terms of the cost to America’s taxpayers in lost settlement dollars . . .”
I agree in principal. A big however, don’t you find it a bit odd that little attention has been paid the way the politicians in most, if not all states, have ignored settlement terms for the already “punitive” dollars distributed?
Supposedly the funds were to be used, for among other things, to cover the costs of medical care for those (supposedly, in some cases) harmed by smoking, programs to discourage teen smoking, programs to help smokers stop smoking, ad infinitum.
It doesn’t take much research to find that in many (too many) cases, the states have diverted the funds to the general fund. In addition there are instances reported where organizations such as the American Cancer Society officials among others prominent in supporting the measure received grants wherein they used the funds to refurbish their offices in a royal manner and put favored people in “new” “salaried” positions. I won’t go into sources and time periods here. If this is of interest to you please e-mail me with a request and I will arrange to USPS mail you some of the data I collected as well as furnish sources and the time periods involved.
My above remarks are to, to a certain extent, take issue with your remarks I’ve cited above.
I certainly don’t disagree with your basic premise, especially the way the DOJ and other politicians were involved. I do take issue with the ensuing pork barrel political things that have gained traction on behalf of special interests in the aftermath to the detriment of the stated goals.
Now that I’ve vented, I would ask someone with research “know-how” to look into the issue of how many billions of dollars the various states have realized by forcing “a minority population” to pay for the services the tobacco industry punitive damages were supposed to pay for in the first place I refer to the taxes levied with increasing frequency, supposedly to cover the same things the tobacco companies paid for.
Realizing this rant may be considered inflammatory and already ripe for deletion I might as well go on and cite some examples with the caveat it is meant to high light the moral ambiguity re scapegoating too many people seem to revel in:
Prior to the tobacco “settlement” a pack of cigarettes cost from about 60 to 70 cents plus state and local taxes. I can only refer to
Arizona tobacco taxes but I know they are higher in some states. Those “special” “pork barrel” taxes alone are now at least $2.00 a pack and the state and local taxes are added, not just to the original price but to the “special” tax at the rate of at least 7%. Tax the tax.
Now let’s see, there are also other consumer consumption products that the public has been warned about and admittedly get press attention. Just a short list, soft drinks, Coke and Pepsi among others, fast foods, big Macs, among others, cookies, potato chips ad infinitum. How about just a one cent tax on a six pack of soda, a one cent tax on a package of cookies or potato chips, etc. How much would that bring in to address the problems. Oh! well the majority of people consume those so let’s not pay attention. It’s easier to join the “moral majority” when it comes to taxes. Besides, smoking offends me! Okay, It makes sense to restrict smoking in certain areas. However, it’s absurd for each and every individual to define what such “designated’ space should be. Oh, forgot.it shouldn’t even come up to the old and abolished standard of “Separate but Equal”.
If anyone has even got this far or this is even posted, I wholeheartedly agree the political aspects of the supposed DOJ/political investigation or whatever it was regarding the tobacco companies was a travesty. What I object to is the political theft and mismanagement of the pork barrel taxes subsequently being collected by and for the state politicos and their hangers on.
Karl’s political shop? Oh no, no, this is all an innocent misunderstanding. The emails referring to “Karl’s shop” were talking about Karl’s *flower* shop. I’m sure this will all be cleared up soon.
What about the Inspector General at DOJ? Perhaps the supposedly independent IG should be looking into all this. Is there a procedure for outside parties to bring things formally to the IG’s attention? Why not use that procedure? Or ask the IG to testify to Congress about what he’s doing about all this?